The Daily Zeitgeist - Text Etiquette or Neurosis, Big Brother = Florida Man 03.06.23

Episode Date: March 6, 2023

In episode 1435, Jack and guest co-host Jamie Loftus are joined by comedian, actor, writer, and TikTok Legend, Dylan Adler, to discuss… Florida Update, A Florida State Senator Is Trying To “Cancel” The Entire Democratic Party, Now Florida’s Going After Bloggers, The Cut New Rules For Social Etiquette, Copaganda Podcasts Are Gouging Taxpayers and more! A Florida State Senator Is Trying To “Cancel” The Entire Democratic Party Florida Republican Senator Files Bill to Outlaw Florida Democratic Party. He’s a former poker pro, motivational speaker, and YouTube celebrity. Now he’s leading Florida’s Republican Party. Florida Republican Party invites Hillary Clinton to Miami 'press conference' Now Florida’s Going After Bloggers Florida’s Anti-Political Blogging Bill Is Just as Crazy as It Sounds Copaganda Podcasts Are Gouging Taxpayers Toronto police spending $337K on a podcast to avoid perception they're making 'copaganda' How LAPD's podcast takes a modern approach to telling the agency's story The Latest Entry in the True-Crime Serial Market: Copcasts Cops Have Podcasts Now. Is That Good? WATCH: Dylan Adler's Viral Backflip at Universal Studios PRE-ORDER Jamie Loftus' new book Raw Dog: The Naked Truth about Hot Dogs here! LISTEN: Joga O Bum Bum Tam Tam by MC FiotiSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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then I think it sort of eases us a little bit. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 278, episode one of Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness, and it is monday march 6th 2023 my name is jack o'brien aka you're the worst around eat a bag of shit brett kavanaugh you're the worst around eat a bag of shit brett kavanaugh and he wrote it a third time so we'll go you're

the worst around it's always hard when it goes on a little too long what that didn't go you mean when it doesn't go on long enough sorry when you're just begging yeah there should definitely be a fourth i have to write what is written for me in the aka's by lacaroni in the discord shout out to them brett kavanaugh came up recently because his dad was also like one of the worst humans. Just a long, a lineage of destruction. That song. A nepo baby. A nepo baby of being diabolical.

It's kind of great. Are you familiar with that song, Jamie, who I haven't introduced yet? The You're the Best Around song from Karate Kid? Yeah. Oh, for me, it's from commercials. Oh, yeah, that's right. I'm sorry, I'm so young, so I haven't seen that movie.

It was originally written for Rocky 3, actually, and then replaced by Eye of the Tiger. Yeah, I haven't heard of that. I'm too young. 17. I don't know Rocky. What is that? Is that like an animal? We're thrilled to be joined by today's guest co-host,

an Emmy-nominated writer, artist, comedian, behind many of the most acclaimed podcasts in existence, such as the Bechdelcast, Actcast. She's the author of the upcoming book, Raw Dog, which, if you like Jamie Loftus' podcasts or the podcasts you are listening to right now you will absolutely love raw dog she's been here all week folks it's her last day it's jamie loftus we raw dog in a bunless place on your bookshelf save a space may 23rd is the release date. We were a dog in a

bunless place. That is from the underscore brew, literally writing ad copy. Thank you so much for that. It's really included the release date really, really thorough. I feel like my publisher likes that

better than what I've been doing. It's been, what a week. You know, I love the Friday episodes, too, because then they come out on Monday and you're like, I mean, I'm living in a different reality. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody's talking about the news stories that we're talking about anymore. And we sound crazy because we're like, did you hear what just happened? Joe Biden is president.

Whenever there's like episodes we record on friday to come out on monday i'm like wow i miss this us i miss i miss us i miss how we were back then well jamie we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of the funniest humans doing it anywhere truly a booking coup by super producer anna hosnier he's a comedian actor writer recently named a comic you should and will know by vulture which is like a very threatening way to say someone is going to be famous but i agree his show with kelly bachman rape victims are horny too was number two on paste magazine's 12 Best Comedy Albums of 2022. It is the brilliant, the talented Dylan Adler!

Oh my god! That is the nicest introduction. Thank you guys so much for having me on the podcast. You will know his name. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. Jamie Loftus did the thing. Jack O'Brien, my woman king. Anna Hosnia, you're a genius. Justin Smith, you are all of us. So there we go. I was really I was waiting for our audience to send that to us. And I'm glad you brought it. Was it you who tweeted that it slept on how she says Hong Chao?

No one was talking about, everyone was talking about Angela Bassett, but no one was talking about how she was like, Hong Chao! Dolly B. It was really slept on, I think. I wanted to bring that into the discourse. It resonated.

I'm thinking about it days later. Same, same. I feel like we just like covered that briefly, but it has really resonated. It's like the Adina, Adele, Dazeem, John Travolta thing that just has sort of not gone away. Like that performance, I feel like is just still with us. It's going to get really, it's going to be,

it's, we're enjoying it now. And then we're, and then we're going to be upset that people, because then everyone is going to learn about it and then it's going to be bad for a while, but then it'll come back. It's like, right.

Impressions comes in waves. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I agree. I brought it up the other day and, uh, crickets,

Jack O'Brien, nothing, nothing for me. Yeah. I, I feel like i haven't fully absorbed absorbed to like all of the intricacies i will be i'm one of the people who will be making references to it in eight years like people are over it yeah exactly finally taken doing the thing in yeah Exactly. I mean, it takes that long for it to marinate. It's such

a rich text. It's a rich text. Thank you. So it is not my fault, Jamie. The richness of the text. It's actually that I am treating it appropriately and taking my time getting into it.

Steeping. You're're right i was being a huge bitch and i'm sorry thank you i'm glad you picked up what i was uh i got well i just got the message you sent me on zoom so i just am reading what you sent to me that's right yeah all right dylan we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, a couple of the things we're talking about later. There's a couple of Florida updates, which never good, never good these days. So we'll talk about those. I think I'm going to ask you guys to talk about your impressions of a couple of the new rules for social etiquette from New York Magazine. Jamie, you said that you had successfully avoided this article. I have not clicked.

I have not clicked. I'm going to just take some little bits out and see what you guys think of them. Like, if you like them, text people within three hours of hanging out with them is one that has made me start to panic about my. Wait, repeat that? If you like someone, then within three hours of hanging out with them, you must text them and say, I enjoyed hanging out with you.

This was a successful hangout. Oh. That is so contrary to my nature. But I know it seems like it is a rule among some people. I've definitely gotten those texts and I'm like, oh, yeah. And so I don't know. I'm not mad at it necessarily, but I do want to find out if it's the reason I have no friends. So we'll talk about that. I like sending them, but I don't feel perturbed if I don't receive one. Right. Yeah. And I do now.

Yes. I'm now like they hate me. That article is designed to make you feel bad. I'm pretty sure. That's why I didn't click on it. We might even talk about Copaganda podcast. The cops are trying to get into the podcast game. So all of that. Plenty more. But first, Dylan, we do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history? Yes. So I recently searched, can you take both NyQuil and Tylenol at the same time? Because I, you know, I was recently, I had food poisoning recently, so I was just wondering. From what? Oh, my God. From this Mexican restaurant called P***. If you're ever in the do not go, it really just fucked me up. So I was trying to relieve the pain in any way possible.

So I was wondering if NyQuil and Tylenol were possible together and apparently they have this a similar active ingredient yeah acetaminophen right that's it that's it so wait so no so you can't you can't even if you have two things that hurt you can't even yeah even if you have double the amount of pain it's like you could apparently OD. So, you know, I think that just that just goes to show you that I'm really quirky and I'm like really kind of, you know, looking up what what can relieve pain in any way possible. Even if you say this one's for the leg, take it and then say this one's for the headache. And because I want to be sleepy. Absolutely. That does not work.

Okay. That's good to know. Yeah. What a mess. What a mess. That was instructive. Yeah. Did it work? Yeah.

How did you feel with the instruction? You took one of them? So really it would, the main, I took took you took one of them so really it would the main i took i took one and then after like six hours i took the next and nothing really helped the only thing that helped was sleep eating crackers and uh just kind of resting and kind of sweating it out like it was that it was just time it was the greatest healing Yeah. I don't think I've ever had food poisoning. I'm not sure. I feel like I'm asking for it, kind of.

Yeah. But I've never gotten it. Yeah. You're spitting in the face of God with that claim right there, Jamie. You're just like. I know. Yeah. I'm about to have a fucking.

I think I might just be impervious to it because I never get it. It's just kind of like, I'm just really strong. Yeah. They, there's been studies that strong people don't get it. I have, I've seen them.

Yeah. Yeah. People have strong moral fiber. Yeah. Absolutely. People with integrity don't get it. So I, um,

but I basically I'm suspicious because I got it on a date and I was sitting down and I was like, oh, is it okay? It was cold. I was like, oh, sorry. Is it okay if I move tables? And they're like, oh, yeah, totally fine. Then I got a call from my date that he couldn't park and we maybe had to go to another place. So I was like, oh, shoot. I'm so sorry. My date just called and we might have to go to another place. So then eventually they parked and I walked back in. By this time, everyone hates me. Like at the restaurant, they hate me. So we sit down. I'm wondering if there was poison added to my food. Like I'm suspicious. And you know, so. Is there a way to like, no, this sounds like this could be used as evidence against me in the future. Is there like, is there a way to just like lightly? I guess it kind of it's like Phantom Thread vibes. Yeah. They're like, we're going to we're going to get him a little sick. Yeah.

Just a little. Yeah. Like a playful tap of poisoning. Yeah. I think it was like just a little like a like a smidge of arsenic or something. Like just a little dab. Flirty poisoning. Yeah, just like a little quirky little, like little, kind of not trying to kill me, but trying to, you know, teach me a lesson.

Well, I think it's very brave of you to air them out publicly because they could come back for you. You don't know. That is very, very true. That's very true. And we might have to bleep out the name of the restaurant. Fully bleep it out. Really? Maybe.

I don't know. Oh, I've heard of this place. Yeah. And you, the listener, will never know. We'll just be playing poisoning, flirty poisoning roulette out there yeah just yeah what's uh what's something you think is overrated not to be a bitch but that harry styles song as it was i think is a little overrated i'm like okay we're in the 80s all right it's a throwback we're in the eight yes it was but i'm like grammy album winning i don't think so i don't think so and like i just you know i i don't think it's bad but i don't think it's like to go up against

renaissance and and fully ridiculous yeah soiculous. Not the right decision. Fully, it's like grocery store food, grocery store listening music. It's something you listen to in an... Harry Styles in general, huge CVS vibes to his guys. Yes. And you're just like,

it's like he's doing, I don't, it's just like a mediocrity thing, but you're just like, it's like he's doing I don't, it's just like a mediocrity thing, but you're just like he's doing well for what he is. He's doing the best version of what that is. But what he's doing is not, like yeah, it's like you can't even

yeah, that, ugh. Not that the Grammys have ever made a correct decision, but like that over Renaissance is so stupid. I hate it. Yeah, same same he has a song called music for a sushi restaurant and to that i think we can safely say you wish it's actually music for fucking groceries yeah friends yeah yeah music for avans yeah the only thing they play at a sushi restaurant is soft jazz so better better luck next time, bitch.

They're not playing that shit. That's too wild for a sushi restaurant. It's jazz all the way. Yeah. At a sushi restaurant. It's aggressive. It's like so presumptuous that they think that he thinks that they would do that. Yeah, I know.

Is he just trying to like rip like he's's making some weird Billy Joel reference there, right? Oh, yeah. Maybe it is. I don't know the song well enough to know if it's like a 15-minute long opus about people he knew in middle school or whatever. Why doesn't he just his own culture music for a British restaurant or something? I don't know. Everybody's favorite. Yeah.

Music for the sushi section of Vons, I think, would be good. I agree. Whatever. He's fine. I don't want us to be attacked by the legions of fans. Things like this don't happen to people like me.

I know. People who worked at a bakery, you mean? I don't know. Like, have you seen Waitress? I'm sorry. His greatest contribution

is the movie feels like a movie. That, I think about all the time. More than any song he's ever written. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, not to be a hater, I think he's fine. I don't think he's bad. I'm just like, it's fine. Sure. Yeah. What is something not to be a hater, I think he's fine. I don't think he's bad. I'm just like, what? Sure. Yes. What is something you think is underrated? There's this medicine that I took that wasn't NyQuil or Tylenol, but it's called CounterAttack. It's right here. And it helped me way more than any NyQuil or Tylenol has done before. And I was just like, why is no one talking about counterattack?

Medicines don't usually have names that are so aggressive and actual words. Usually they make up a word for it. And maybe that's the problem. It's like a marketing issue where it just doesn't fit into people's brains as a medicine. It sounds like a marketing issue where it just like doesn't fit into people's brains as a medicine. It sounds like like a board game from the 90s. What's in it? I know it's um, apparently it's like all like over the counter natural stuff. So I think a lot of vitamin C stuff, a lot of other vitamins that I don't remember, but it's seriously like I was starting to feel sick and then I took it and it really just kind of changed my whole, I was like,

damn, this is what I'm going to take every time. Maybe it's because it's in the supplement category and supplements do have names like energy drinks sometimes. So like that, that might be where it got counterattack from. I think medicines should, should have names that are fun like that. Yeah. That are fun.

I got a bunch of like, I'd never done wellness shots cause I'm not, I don't think a very healthy person, but I had a, I had a house guest leave behind a lot of wellness shots cause I think she thinks I need to kind of get my act together. So I've been doing one every morning and that I was avoiding all of the spicy ones. And I left all of the spicy ones for last. And now it's down to the spicy ones.

But those ones work the best. Like the ginger ones. I feel way better after one of the spicy ones. It hurts, but it's helping me. And I might keep doing it. I don't know. We'll see. She also gave me 36 eggs, which I can't get over. I'm like, what am I going to do with it? I leave for a week tomorrow. The eggs are stressing me out. I love my friends so much. I don't know what the 36 eggs was. What could I possibly do

today with 36 eggs? I don't know. Very stressful. Bake the biggest cake. The biggest thing, the egg flask. I hope so. I really hope so. I just like, it's too much pressure. Yeah, I think as long as you don't crack them. Don't crack them first and then leave for a week.

Just keep them uncracked. They'll probably go bad. They'll probably go bad. Yeah. If anyone in Los Angeles needs eggs, I've got too many. Yeah. Have you guys ever eaten, we were talking on Trending at the end of last week, that the shower orange is trending.

And I was just thinking about food with naturally good packaging. The orange has good packaging around it, which I think is why people feel comfortable eating it in the shower, because easy cleanup and it smells good. People are eating oranges in the shower. Yeah. And claiming like that that's a thing that everybody should be doing, that it should be part of our shower routines. There's a community. Yeah, there is a thriving subreddit for Shower Orange. Wow. I don't know.

I don't know. All right. Good for them. There's a lot of places you can put your energy and that's one of them. That's wow. Do you think I bet people met on that board and got married? There's 69 people online right now on Shower Orange Reddit. Just 69 currently concurrently.

Okay, I think I do like this. A recent post. I've found my people. I had no idea there were more people eating shower oranges until it came across a news article to me today. I moved to a house with orange trees and would often grab one from my tree before getting in the shower. And everyone made fun of me. 80,000 people can't be wrong. You've made my day.

80,000. Oh, my God. 80,000 shower oranges can't be wrong. I really am like torn between wanting to bully them or radically accept them. It's hard. I think I have to try it first. I have to, I think, try it just like, yeah, I have to try it to see if maybe i'm a part of this community like right it's maybe you'll find your people yeah i mean oranges are so sticky like so that's kind of nice that you're just having it rinsed from from you the second that you get it

all over your hands but that's so true. It's juicy. It's messy. It's kind of a, it's a big endeavor. So to do it where you just already are washing yourself, I mean, as I'm talking about it, I might think I'm a part of the community. All right. We're all going to take a quick break.

We're going to go and do a shower orange real quick. We'll be back sopping wet. Every post is a poem. Every post is so. Hi, I want to try this. Do you just peel them in the shower and then clean everything up afterwards? Or do you peel the orange before you get in the shower? And then there's 45 comments explaining different ways you can do it.

Wow. Most of the time, I don't peel. I just rip it in half and dive in like a starving monkey and then someone says exactly i do this too they're the community the community is just it's thriving it's nuts oh my god i really want a celebrity to come out as like an orange person and then it's like ellen where it's like oh i'm a i'm a groundbreaking person. Now people who are orange eaters can have shows in Hollywood. And then it just takes over. The same like People magazine cover.

Yeah, I'm eating oranges in the shower. The shower orange takeover has begun. The next. Historic. All right. Well, we're going to take a quick break and then we're going to come back. We're going to let you know how our shower orange experience was. And we're going to talk about a place where oranges come from.

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And we're back. And yeah, so there were a couple of Florida stories. By the way, did everybody enjoy their shower oranges? Are we shower orange people? Yeah. I mean, we're all sopping wet on Zoom call. Yeah. I unfortunately couldn't decide because I hadn't done enough research on how to peel the orange. And, you know, there's so many opinions out there, whether you should just break it in half or, you know.

I just sort of, I dove in like a starving monkey. And I would recommend that approach. That was good advice. Amazing. I'm a part of the showering orange community. I'm coming out as that. Wow. Congratulations.

Brave. Wow. Gave us the scoop in everything. Unbelievable. A comedian we should and will know comes out as a shower orange community member. This will be just as powerful as that Ellen thing. Yes. Just as big.

In Florida, just a couple stories from last week about Florida politicians trying to turn the state of Florida into like dystopian right-wing police state and like more than they already have i guess with the book bans this seems like it's an overall strategy where ron desantis is like picking a fight with every everyone who's not a right-wing like mega person and then we'll use that to as like free publicity for his campaign, which has kind of been his what his entire career has been based on. So first last week, there was one that I think we can mostly dismiss as just like a stunt. It was from a Republican state senator, a Senate bill that they're trying to use to render the Democratic Party non-existent,

dubbed the Ultimate Cancel Act. Oh, my God. Wow. They're like, this is... Oh, you want to cancel us? Well, we're canceling the Democratic Party, people. There is... Who's the snowflake now you know uh right

wing politicians really do have a way with just like the most like lobotomized turn of phrase that you could possibly come up with but it usually that it's sticky it sticks in my head that makes no sense and it's like it's sticky. It sticks in my head. That makes no sense. It's sticky. Well, not my shoe. You were doing it wrong, Jack. It shouldn't be getting sticky. I ripped it open after I got out of the shower.

You're not being a very good ambassador for our community right now. I'll say that much. Some people have compared the bill to when the nazis did away with all other political parties but it seems like it's more of a like publicity stunt intended to expose the hypocrisy of cancel culture and the guy who's behind it like i mean he's very powerful. Like he used to be the head of the Republican Party in Florida. But he does just seem like kind of a carnival barker who's looking for an audience. Like, I don't I don't know. I can't see this actually happening or if it does like actually affecting policy all that much.

actually affecting policy all that much but it just that's that's what's hard about florida these days is like it's easy to be like ron desantis is just like talking about disney and not paying attention to things that actually affect people's lives but then he actually signs laws affecting taxation and is just like super powerful and then like bans books in children's libraries and like the we see like video of people of empty elementary school libraries you know yeah i mean i've had friends whose books are no longer like allowed in florida it's like it's ridiculous and i like that it's it's fun to dunk on ron desantis and we should and we're right to do it um but i think yeah like one of the scariest things about him is that he's like not an idiot like he he and and i feel like he's like developing this and and maybe this falls under

this category because like the language of the ultimate cancel act, like it sounds like a, like mustache twirling cartoon villain, like cancel the filings of a political party. If the party's platform is previously advocated for or been in support of like involuntary servitude or slavery, like it's just like word salad, but it seems like even with the Disney stuff and the horrible book that he's releasing, like it it almost reminds me of times that like, you know, Donald Trump would do like the dumbest thing he could think of when he was about to pass some really scary legislation. So you would talk about the dumb thing and not pay attention to this to the thing that actually harms people.

And it feels like DeSantis is like really getting a feel for that pattern. Yeah. I know because part of it, like it's obviously like righteous to dunk on him. And it also, it reminds me of that, remember that video going around a like, woke moralists, we'll see who cancels who. Like remember that video?

Jordan Peterson. That guy, yes, yes, yes. It reminds me of that. I love that video? Jordan Peterson? That guy, yes, yes, yes. He reminds me of that. I love that video. It's so fun. We'll see who cancels who. He sounded so weird. He said that he's about to take off in a Flintstones car.

Exactly. After with, oh, God. I know. But, yeah, he wields a lot of power. He is a very powerful and scary figure that can do a lot of harm in his state. Yeah. that can do a lot of harm in his state. Yeah. And so the other one that on its face seems kind of similarly just easy to dunk on and dismiss, but actually is probably very scary in reality. They're going after bloggers. They proposed a bill that would require bloggers

to register with the state if they're going to write any stories about DeSantis or other Florida politicians, which is pretty scary. Yeah, I mean, it's and they like the way they're doing it. They're like they would be required to submit monthly reports, including disclosing their pay or else risk being fined by the government. disclosing their pay or else risk being fined by the government which is this a scheme to expose how underpaid bloggers are or like that they're not paid because i don't know what they think bloggers are being paid or what do do i not know what bloggers are is that well i i does the person who wrote this know what bloggers are that That seems like a really, really broad, like, did they write it 15 years ago? I don't even know what a blogger is. Like, Perez Hilton was a blogger.

Like, I've not read a blog in so many years. Is this a Tumblr-specific piece of legislation? Who's funding all these Tumblrs that are making memes about me, Ron DeSantis? Like, they just assume i don't know because they do have a big like contingent of their strategy is paying bloggers who just write like hagiographic like just love letters to ron desantis so like i i'm wondering if they assume that because they have to they need like billionaire secret funders for all their media that like that's true of everyone criticizing them as well and so that's where they're coming from but it really seems misguided but at the

same time like it could very easily be the first step in like a very slippery slope right where it's like they're doing it in my space first and they're like oops now we're gonna do it on another platform like they okay so you guys don't do blogs anymore we get it yeah okay okay okay reset like that's it's just uh god i do i mean this is like a really scary i mean it seems like they're just trying to what like suppress any potential criticism of DeSantis and just like curb free speech. Sick. Love that. up in their face that would be kind of funny but it just sounds like you could apply like it isn't like technically twitter is like micro blogging am i like inventing that i feel like that's what it was called when it came out oh right question mark so everyone any expression of your opinion is a blog any tweet about ron desantis will need to be officially licensed by

the florida government how do you fucking enforce something like that i mean i yeah it just i don't know i guess i just hope that they're not smart enough to be able to even follow through with such a thing but yeah it does feel pretty suppressive yeah yeah i need to unionize all my psychic friends in florida i gotta see right the last time i talked to a psychic in florida he was like and it was like i think it was like he was like dissing me a little bit oh i don't remember the last time i've said this but he it was awesome he was like thank you so much he you know he's like, as far as where you're going to end up, you are not welcome in Florida. And I was like, oh, my God.

Wait, that's actually kind of a compliment. Right. I know. Well, it's like I was I mean, it but he was like he loved being in Florida, but he was like, clearly something's off. And then Florida is not for you, honey. Florida is not for me. And it's not for me and it's like you know what fine i accept that was he saying you're not allowed in florida or you're not allowed to retire to florida when he said he just sort of said me in florida that we it's not gonna work where you

end up is a weird yeah it's a weird way yeah way. Yeah, I mean, and it's, he, I mean, he's, he's fascinating. He's this guy, Louis Gates. He's got a YouTube channel. I watch it. He, he, he's doing all sorts of stuff. But yeah, I don't, I don't know. He said, I have no place in Florida. Florida is not for me.

And then he's like, maybe she's a little more bi-coastal. And I was like, yeah, yeah. There you go. Thank you so much, Louis. Yeah, thank you. Congratulations to you, Jamie yeah, yeah. There you go. Thank you so much, Lewis. Yeah, thank you. Congratulations to you, Jane. Thank you. Thank you.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And New York Magazine, a local periodical, has come out with this grandiose project that we've revisited a couple times on the show. But they're trying to give people new rules for etiquette which i think is like that's a fun idea like etiquette in my mind evokes questions of which fork to use and so like having a modern etiquette is good and they are like real hit or miss like some of them I am fully on board with, and some of them gave me anxiety. So I just wanted to hear what you smart people think about some of these rules.

And I have the actual magazine in front of me. Oh, my God. The print. Wow. You got a hard copy. Oh, retro. Yes. Damn.

Okay, blogger. Good job. Yes. Damn. Okay, blogger. Good job. You may notice as I've listed these out, I also have in parentheses what page they are on. So I can go consult the magazine. So the one that we've talked about that I agree with, I think it's never a good idea. Never tell somebody who you think they look like. Never a good idea. Never tell somebody who you think they look like.

Like that's not as good a conversation starter as people seem to think it is. I fully agree with that. I think that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Ooh, I hope that catches on. It's always interesting to hear from other people, but it's rarely good to hear it, right? Yes. but it's rarely good to hear it, right?

Like, it's just not going to be good for the purposes of being able to continue the conversation without just being, in what way? Yeah. I would apply that to like parasocial stuff too. If I, I mean, there's never been someone who has like sent me an image that says, this looks just like you. You look like one of the Try Guys' wives, you know? know and i'm just like i don't want to hear that i don't want to just like i just

don't want to know that that's what you're that that's what's on your mind or that's how i'm you know that's the energy i'm giving off like you don't don't tell someone that you listen to on a podcast who you think they look like it's's good. It's not going to feel good. It's not going to feel good. Yeah. The one the one exemption to this rule is that I got a lot of people telling me I looked like El Chapo's son who was like captured in a massive shootout with the police. And he is young and like kind of scary. I was like, that's yeah, he's like young and hot and that's a slay yeah so i with that one i was like that's okay but like maybe like run it by people before you wait yeah

put the picture in the chat put the picture in the chat the picture in the chat like i i think i matched with him on hinge like okay i don't. I don't, yeah, I don't like, like there's also, I do like this one. Every time a very specific episode of Law & Order SVU reruns, I look, I'm a dead ringer for like a 12-year-old that got cyber bullied. Like looks like me right now. And like her hair is kind of all over the place. Like she's unkempt. She's in a horror, she's having the worst day of her life. And everyone's like, that the place. Like she's unkempt. She's in a horror. She's having the worst day of her life.

And everyone's like, that's Jamie. And it's true. Yeah. All right. I just put it on. And like I have. Yeah.

I'll chop though. Oh, wow. Jack. Yes. I see it. I see it. Yes.

He's hot. He's pretty hot. He's pretty hot. I was immediately i was immediately like yes yes please and there's even like a picture of him getting arrested that looks like way like even more like me that i just put in so this is one okay so maybe i was the first person to put this out there and just a bunch of fake accounts of mine planting the sea yeah right doesn't he yeah it's you in like an alternate dimension a little bit kind of anyways that if you're going to tell someone they look like someone it better be

el chapo's young hot son absolutely yes yeah yes all right the one that's fucking me up right now if you like them text people within three hours of hanging out with them and they're saying this isn't just after a date but like after hanging out with anyone at all like a friend like you need to confirm that you had a good time that i it's a lot take us through how you're feeling right now jack well i just i don't i don't do this ever i did i just did it actually this past weekend for the first time after like a bunch of people trekked all the way out to burbank to come to my five-year-old's birthday party at Chuggy Cheese. And I was like, that's so nice of them to come. So I was like, this was, it was so nice to see you and hang out. And also it was a case where like, I didn't get a chance to spend as much

time with all the different people as I would have liked to. So I just wanted to, you know, acknowledge that. But for the most part, I i don't do this and i also don't always get like i don't i guess i don't i've always greeted this as like oh that was nice they like reached back out but now i'm going to treat it as like a thing that must happen or else I have failed. No. No, no, no, no. What do you think, Dylan? I personally, I'm a people pleaser, so I tend to do this after interactions, even like with friends of like,

because I don't know, like I'm just like, that was a good thing we just had, right? Oh, good, now I can sleep. So I'm not sure if it's even healthy for me it's even but you know after friend hangouts after whatever i'm just like we're good right no one's mad at each other okay amazing right so i think and also if i really like a person like date or friend wise i'm like that, let's do it again. Yeah. See, I'm also, like, always exhausted after hanging out with people because I, like, have social anxiety.

So, like, I, but I don't know. That also just might be, like, everybody's exhausted after it, but you just, like, make the effort. And I'm just letting myself off easy. But Becca mentioned something in the chat that I think like sort of because I because I definitely do this not like religiously, but like more often than not. But she's saying that like she does this and is a follower of this rule, but has an anxious attachment style, which I do think like definitely factors into it where it's like almost like I it is a nice thing that I want to do I want to express hey I had a great time I do this with like my best friend that I see all the time and there is like always a little thing in the back of my head that's like we still love each other right like one of the closest people to me been my best friend for 10 years but I'm just, I love you so fucking much.

My literal twin brother. I'm like, we're good, right? Like, yes, I get it. And usually you are. But I guess I'll like I'll take a center approach on this one because I definitely do it. But I don't get hurt if someone else doesn't do it. I don't get put off, I guess. Okay. So, so far, we've got everybody except me being like, well, yeah, I do this, of course, but I think it just might be a thing that I should

do. All right. This is good. I'm growing. The write-up does contain the sentence. If nobody texts within three hours post initial meetup, not only should you not expect a friendship, but you should come to terms with the fact that neither of you respects the other. And that feels strong. That's a little strong. Feels a little strong. Yeah. All right. Always be the first one out. This one was confusing to me. They said, whether you're on the subway, in the office, or at a party, you should be the first one to bounce when things go wrong for any reason, like feeling menaced, smell smoke, not bringing anything to the situation, run for the door, which I do. What?

I kind of get this. This one is, I love to leave a party early like as somebody with social anxiety i love to be like oh well great talking to everyone but i don't know it does seem like they're just kind of licensing people to be rude yeah i don't know how to feel about this one i guess i don't i love i love leaving. So I guess, sure, why not? The best feeling in the world. And I hate, and I'm horrible. I feel like one of the reasons I don't host at my house very often,

first of all, because I'm afraid of people judging all the dolls I own. But second of all, because I do have some anxiety about hosting because I'm afraid of lingerers. And I don't know how to handle a lingering guest. I can't deal with it. It's, I will never tell them to leave and they never do. And like, it's just not a personality profile I understand because I'm always trying to be out of there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. i'd say i agree with that i don't know sometimes i'll i do i i

actually don't mind hosting but also sometimes when the night is ending and i'm like and i'm like oh man it's really getting to that hour guys but i mean if you guys want i could pop a movie or something so i mean i i also don't know how to be like, y'all got, you guys have to go. Right. So I totally, I totally get that. But also whenever I'm the first one out without saying goodbye to everyone, I don't know, because people please it. But I'm like, oh my God, I just burned all my bridges. Like, I don't know.

Yeah. And then do you need to text everyone within three hours after you do that is that like yeah do these dovetail some yeah and then if i don't say goodbye and i just leave i'm like oh sorry things were weird but you know i hope i get to see you soon kind of situation yeah yeah always wink is one of the things and this one has no write-up they're just like nuff said always wink that's bait for something i don't know for what but definitely don't always wink yeah i don't think so. Okay. It's a hard no. Never answer a compliment with a compliment. What do you do?

Yeah, because I'm physically unable to not compliment someone after they compliment me. I feel literally sick in my bones if I don't compliment someone after they compliment me. Super producer Becca says, you say thank you. This list was written by super producer becca so and any questions can be directed to her oh i i could definitely stand to do better at that yeah same yeah it actually it's great to talk about the weather which like there's definitely a thing that was accepted in my brain like probably from like some stand-up routine i saw or something there's like it's boring to talk about the weather like old men

talk about the weather like shut the fuck up nobody cares about the weather and but i feel like now we exist at a time when it's like snowing in L.A. Sometimes it's the elephant in the room. It has to be addressed. The weather is crazy right now. The weather is crazy. So I think I like this one. I think we should accept it into the canon that it's fine to talk about the weather if that's a thing that people are curious about.

The weather is no longer boring. The weather is no longer boring the weather is is getting is getting interesting i want to talk i talk about the weather with my loved ones and with people i find boring i'll do it with both it's fine there you go it's a crowd pleaser yeah never show that you're impressed by anyone which this one feels like it's like from the mystery guide to like nagging and like picking up. Always never show you. Is there like a list of hat suggestions we should be wearing? Always wear a funky hat that is going to start a conversation.

So nobody has to talk about the weather. Yeah. Always wear a statement chunky necklace. Like I, you should be, I love to see, like, I love seeing people be impressed

by other people. I feel like that's like a really tiny vulnerability you can show. Like, whoa, that's awesome that you can do that. I love, I don't know. Yeah. But maybe it's because I'm a huge, rude asshole.

And that's why I like that. Thank you. These are all just things that I pulled because I wanted you to hear them, Jamie. Yeah. Yeah. You need to stop showing how impressed you are by me. Okay. It's awkward.

Being impressed is fun. I'm sorry. I derail meetings constantly being like did you see what jack just did yeah that was crazy you guys all right i i think we can move on from this. Anything that you're taking from this list into your life going forward, other than obviously always wink, which we've all been furiously winking at one another since we heard that one. But yeah, I appreciate the permission to talk about the weather. That's nice. Me too. I really, really like that one. All right.

Good. really like that one all right good one piece of bad news that i don't think we have to worry about is that cops are starting to drop podcasts on our asses copaganda podcast our asses on right directly squarely on all of our asses and it's hate that yeah it. It's, yeah. And they're, like, Toronto, I guess, just upped their police budget by millions and millions of dollars. And, like, one of the things they're spending it on is a podcast called 24 Shades of Blue, like, which I think is a... Play on 50 Shades of Grey?

Yeah. But why, what does that have to... Because they're masochists? which I think is a... Play on Fifty Shades of Grey? Yeah, but why? What does that have to... Because they're masochists? It's confusing. Yeah. Yeah. Ew is all I have to say.

Ew. But I feel like there's no appetite for this. This is just a way for podcasters with no moral fiber to get paid a bunch of money by out of the police budget because it is like i don't know podcasting i think was secretly invented to convey to people how shitty the police are at their jobs like all like true crime podcasts just see like from serial which the very first podcast serial up through like every true crime show now it's just like people even if they don't realize it even if like that's not the subject of the show they're just like i just listened to one i forget what it was called but it's like one of the most popular i think it's like the top comedy podcast

because it's like a comedy true crime thing but like the stories are just murders where the police just fuck up the investigation like at every turn just over and over and over again well i mean the only more embarrassing profession than being a cop is being a podcaster. So it's really like, how low can you fucking go? That's right. It's so, I don't know. Because it's like, I do know of like people in law enforcement who, why did I say it like that? But like, I said it because Alex Villanueva, the former sheriff of LA, had a radio show. And it absolutely sucked ass and no one listened to it.

But he did have it. I had some fun listening to it where it's like a forever intro and then he's like like you know kind of like enters the room in blob form and becomes a man over the course of several minutes it would appear and then he's like i mean it was sponsored by better help you know that's right yeah this is uh this is a blue apron original like i don't know it's it's i really hope it doesn't catch on i have to just rely on the fact that most cops aren't very smart and don't have discernible personalities and and so it just kind of seems like a non-starter yeah in that way but i don't know what a what an embarrassing and and are you wait jack is like this is being funded by police departments to make yeah they paid three hundred thousand dollars for the toronto one

that was one that like oh my fucking god because the police has the biggest budget of any the most yeah the biggest budget so they can throw in a bunch of money into this even like this like shit idea and yeah yeah run with it well i guess for people that are like yeah constantly arguing that police budgets like they need every dollar and things are so like it's like well this is a clear thing of like well what could three hundred thousand dollars do literally anywhere else right besides creating police podcasts that no one's gonna listen to like how are you gonna get people to unless they're saying something that's like truthful like which they won't it doesn't sound like absolutely yeah so yeah i mean i've and there's been like a new york times or a new york times nypd one a branch of the new york times that

is all about like it's called breaking the case and it's existed for like a year and a half but like just nobody knows about it because like i feel i feel like just generally the like podcasting is a place for people to escape from like the limitations of the mainstream media and the mainstream media is just like so consistently like even like brooklyn 99 like even like oh yeah funny shows are like still based on this assumption that cops are the good guys and they're coherent and good at their job. And so it makes sense to me that podcasting would be a place that consistently goes in the opposite direction. So I don't think we'll be seeing a bunch of pro-police podcasts

any more than I think we'll be seeing an NBC podcast or an NBC sitcom about how fucked up police are. First the celebrities came and I said nothing. Then the recappers came and I said nothing. What a gorgeous, rich environment

that we're thriving in at this time. That's right. Well, Dylan, it's been such a pleasure having you on the show. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? Thank you so much for having me. This has been so much fun. You can follow me on Instagram at DylanAdler underscore, on Twitter at DylanAdler6 six or on TikTok at Dylan Adler seven. So I know a bunch of Dylan Adler's from like teens from Aspen, Colorado took the Dylan Adler. So I had to do this like underscore six, seven shit. But yeah, one of the best follows on any social media. TikTok and Instagram. So funny.

The best. Thank you guys so much for having me. And is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? Oh, yes. So my friend Calvin Seabrooks posted a video of himself as Angela Bassett responding to the Angela Bassett did the thing. And it was just and it was he was him going like, that was the one time I've heard my name get pronounced correctly. So what's the joke? It was just so it made me laugh out loud so hard. So check out Calvin Seabrook's his video. It is. It's brilliant.

Amazing. That, that rocks. Yeah. Jamie, thank you so much for co-hosting this week. It's been such a pleasure having you. I'm back. I really have realized how little I know about the world around me when I'm not doing this show with you. I feel like I know about this week specifically. There you go.

Little time capsule. Well, it's been wonderful having you. We really appreciate it. Where can people find you, follow you, read you, all that good stuff? Oh, yeah. You can find me on Twitter at Jamie Loftus Help, Instagram at Jamie Christ Superstar, and, you know, pre-order Raw Dog. It's my book about hot dogs.

I cannot legally shut up about it for at least three months. So please just, please just do it. And someday I'll stop talking about it and you're going to be so excited. I guess the thing I would like to shout out social media wise is an email I received on the first day of March, which is received on the first day of March, which is Women's History Month, right? But according to this email, I got an email that said, Happy Celery Month. And it felt aggressive. It felt pointed. It felt like it was yelling at me and it didn't like my body. And I've just been thinking about it every day since. And I have been sending it to other people. So anytime someone wants to celebrate women, you can then say aggressively, like, well, what about celery month?

It's celery month, according to the company that sent me really emails about their very expensive celery juice. Happy celery month. And happy celery juice. Happy celery month. And happy. Yeah, absolutely. Oh my God. What a nightmare. I am going to link off to a couple of Dylan's videos in the footnotes.

Backflip at universal studios. Yeah. Just so there's so many great works of genius. So we will be linking you off to those in the footnotes. Thank you. You can find me on Twitter at

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is there a song that you think people might enjoy on this month? Yeah. I noticed that Miles tended to recommend songs that were for, you know, cleaning up your house and whatnot. So I stumbled across this song while I was doing just that. This is a Brazilian funk song. I do not speak Brazilian Portuguese, so I'm going to butcher this. But this is Joga o Bum Bum Tam Tam by MC Fiocchi. It's really great. It uses a flute sample from a Johann Sebastian Bach song and just flips it and puts some really funky bass and dance rhythms under it.

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