The Daily Zeitgeist - Texts Behind The Scenes Of Jan 6, Why Peloton’s Really Tanking 12.15.21

Episode Date: December 15, 2021

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consciousness okay it's monday no i'm gonna go ahead and say it's wednesday december 15th that's what you know what fuck it let's call let's go with that. It is 2021, I believe, which is, of course, National Cupcake Day and National Cat Herder Day. Yeah. Is cat herding? I thought that was just like a thing people said about a difficult job. Yeah, that's pretty much what it I think it's just a general it's more of a concept right someone who's having to be in charge of disorganized things like they're mentioning dog washer maid of honor to a bridezilla a basketball player for bobby knight how fucking old is this list oh my god also why why is that being like that's yeah poorly written description of different things that could

be hurting cats yeah bobby night is like authoritarian that would be not like hurting cats if you're being if you're playing for bobby night you're not in charge of a fucking thing right except for your uh choke response when he comes at you. All right. Well, hey, my name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. John O'Brien, because that's my real name. It's the only real a.k.a. I've ever done on this show. That is something I'm also known as a lot. But, yeah.

Can you do your social and date a bird? Yeah, yeah. Be a cool a.k.a. Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host Mr. Miles Gray smoking grass deep in my seat wait is this time to go

ain't no sound up on the street still got time to flow are you ready yeah are you ready for this smoking this potent leaf out of the airwaves the intro hits here's to the sound of the z hey another podcast with jack and another guest song and another show's on another podcast with jack okay shout out to hannah soltis hannah ramick view i see you on the discord thank you miss for that

just a loving love another one bites the dust you know just? Just get in time and get your Freddy on. I feel like I'm watching Jordan come back, you know, with the 4.5 on the back. Or dropping the 4.5, putting on the 2.3 and just dropping heat. Yeah. Great to see Hannah salt us back at it again. There it is. Well, Miles, we are thrilled, fortunate fortunate blessed to be joined in our third seat by a very funny and talented podcaster author tv personality she's the author of the book tropical

attire encouraged and other phrases that scare me she hosts the podcasts alison rosen is your best is your new best friend and childish which is a podcast for parents and people with parents that she co-hosts with greg fitzsimmons and the new podcast upworthy weekly please welcome the hilarious the brilliant allison rosen hello it's so nice to be here delighted to talk about what's going on but for a second can we just talk about this cat herder national international annual day i was thinking this is the kind of i mean it's a made-up holiday but if you're going to celebrate this holiday you have to do it privately because you can't let the people around you know that you feel that your job is herding cats

right you can't let them you can't let the people who work for you know that you feel that your job is herding cats, right? You can't let the people who work for you know that. Although I feel like the people who are like, ah, it's like herding cats love to tell people that managing them is like herding cats. Yeah, right. So I guess if you're kind of a toxic person and you manage a bunch of employees and you have power over them, then you can claim to be herding cats and you're just a bit of a jerk. But if your job is like personal assistant to someone who has more power than you, I don't know why. I guess I'm obsessed with power today and cats. Yes. Then you can't say it.

It's a problematic holiday all around. Yeah. Yeah. Get out of here, i mean look that's right if you really want to know what happened we can all pin this on thomas and ruth roy from wellcat.com they're the fucking people who gave us this holiday so they're the architects of cat herder day yeah i mean they may be the only people who actually have to. I haven't spent a lot of time at Wellcat.com. Is that what it's called?

Yeah. Maybe they have like a lot of cat photo shoots, which have to be difficult. Have to be a little bit like. Are they trying to be like not a hell cat, but a well cat? Or is it a bunch of like cats stuck in wells? Oh, like the baby Jessica cats. Now you're talking about my kink. Desperate cats.

Looking up from a well. Yeah. How are you going to get back up here with those little claws? Oh, you can't get up there, can you? When you said whoever and whoever Roy, I was thinking, it made me think of succession. And I was like, oh my God. That is canon. That's what Logan Roy's fortune was built on was a was a cat website that's right yeah first stone

in his media empire right was wellcat.com before anything yeah wellcat waystar like the this fucking website right for wellcat these people, they essentially are in the business of creating holidays. The first line is, meet the folks at Wellcat.com. They are Ruth and Tom Roy, and they are the creators of more than 70 copyrighted holidays, quote unquote, as published on their site. Wow. So that's what they, these people just get off on holidays, I guess. And then copywriting them, so they're possessive. Do they mention some of the other ones? Bathtub Party Day. Barbie and Barney Backlash Day.

Wow. I feel like they are cat public enemy number one and two. Because they're making people stick their cats in a bathtub. Right. Who knows? Dimpled Chad Day? Dimpled Chad Day? Dimpled Chad? Oh, so they're like really, they just are sitting in wait for a news story that they can like kind of jump on and turn into a holiday? Wait, Snowplow Mailbox Hockey Day?

That doesn't even have to do with cats. It's wintertime and time for snowplow drivers everywhere to see how many rural mailboxes they can knock over. 20 extra points for boosting one into the next township. Okay, these people need to be stopped. I don't like this at all. Thomas Roy is, according to

his, like the homepage, Thomas Roy, actor. So, I don't know. I've never seen him in anything, but know what what's i'm not on the website right now what kind of look does he have like hallmark movie yeah maybe like a dad from a hallmark movie okay but the the website has the look of something that hasn't been touched since 1998 did midi music load when you it it out? It tried to. And then just gave up and died. All right, Allison, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment.

There's another one in here called, Yell Fudge at the Cobras in North America Day. Yell fudge at them? These people are criminal. Look, this list is so aggressive. It doesn't make sense. Some of the stuff. One is about grunt old workers day. Oh, I like not disgruntled.

Yeah. So it's like, oh, you know, for the workers who are very much putting their best face on. Tell them, hey, thanks for that. I'm glad we didn't unionize. Yeah, right. Exactly. Shout out to our grunt old workers. I'm fine with what you'reize. Yeah, right. Exactly. I'm gruntled. Shout out to our gruntled workers. I'm fine with what you're saying I need to live.

Thank you. And may I have just incrementally less. Could I have a water break? No? Okay. Great. No, I didn't need it anyway. No, I'll just get it when I go to the bathroom.

Oh, no bathroom break either? I should have put an IV in myself and walked back to stay hydrated. You're right. You're right. All right, Allison, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, a couple of things we're talking about. We're going to talk about Mark Meadows' texts and just generally where we're at with his involvement in the January 6th committee, what we've learned from him. We're going to talk about Oz, sometimes known as Dr. Oz. We're going to talk about that Sex and the City reboot and its impact on Peloton, the Peloton commercial.

I came back and, you know, told him what was what in a way that was not very effective. It looked more like Mr. Big was in purgatory. I think Anna Hosnier was pointing that out. It looks very much like they're in some sort of creepy afterlife. So we'll talk about that plenty more. But first, Allison, we do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history? I searched what fish can live in a bowl because I have two little kids and they've started on YouTube watching hamster mazes. So someone will have like a pet hamster instead of a maze for it. And then it'll just be like

hours of the hamster going around the maze. And Elliot, my almost five-year-old announced that he wanted a pet. Can we get a pet? And I said, how about the dog that we have? But that's not going to work for him. And he wanted a hamster. And I said, how about the dog that we have? But that's not going to work for him. And he wanted a hamster. And I said, what about a fish? And then surprisingly, he got very excited about the idea of a fish. And I thought that's easy. That's something we can handle. He's already named the fish. It's going to be Rexy. And then I mentioned to my husband that I promised Elliot we would get him a fish next year. And Daniel, my husband, said, okay, but you know that means like a whole little aquarium system

with heater and filtration and the whole nine yards. And I was like, no, I was just thinking a fish bowl. Yeah, I was thinking a bowl and some tap water. Exactly. Water, fish, some flake food sometimes. So I searched what fish can live in a bowl. And lo and behold, it turns out my husband is, and I don't know if he, I think he was just, I don't know how he knew this, but as a culture, we've moved away from fish in bowls. Now they feel like that is somewhat

inhumane that all fish need even just a few gallon tank. And in a way, this is like the fish version of me being like, did you know that people let their dogs inside now? Even overnight. Right. So I am out of stuff. Even when it rains? Yeah, it's nuts. Yeah, they let them inside. Oh.

Mm-hmm. They even let them on their bed sometimes. I wasn't raised like that. No. Yeah. So that's. So you don't let your dog inside, Allison? No, I do. Oh, the equivalent. But you never meet people like that. You're like, you let your dog inside? Oh, got it. Got it. the day people would have no my dog my dog not only lives inside she sleeps like on top of my

husband's head and has never been uncomfortable for even a second of her life and i wouldn't have it i wouldn't have it any other way right i'm a third wheel when she and my husband are around they have a special bond but i remember when i was a kid people would have dogs that just had a dog house outside and pretty much just lived out there. Yeah. I feel like it's changed. I have neighbors that have that situation, too. Yeah.

But they have like a weird tool shed as their dog house. So, like, they have an interior. But I'm like, that's, isn't it cool? In my mind, I'm like, they're going to get cold. Yeah. And be sad. Why would you not want your dog to, to be getting its fur and its saliva all up in you? Yeah. No, but really why I can't, I mean, I guess they have dogs that,

you know, dogs with jobs, guard dogs and whatnot, but still, I can't imagine a dog not being a part of your family. So I guess we're getting a fish tank now. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, is it, is it that much more expensive to get like a couple gallon fish tank and like the little easy filter pump? No, it's not. In fact, having the filtration, I guess, means that we don't have to clean it out. So it actually could be less maintenance. It's more just the space and the it's not the financial investment. It's just the whole I don't know.

I thought of a fish in a bowl as a very easy low maintenance starter pet and this just suddenly feels like a bigger project right you know maybe i'll become a fish hobbyist it's my new thing maybe i'll breed rare tropical fish hit you with the add-ons watch out i know i know next thing you know i'm gonna be buying a snail and a little treasure chest you're gonna want the uh you're gonna want the antique the guy in the diving bell who's near the uh the treasure chest that opens about every three seconds with the air bubbles yeah you're gonna need about four of those classics yeah how many fish one yeah you're gonna need about seven of those you're gonna need about 14 fake grass blades. And real ones, too. Real plants.

I mean, I'm... You got aquarium rocks? Well, I have rocks. No, no, no. You got aquarium rocks. I have like some pavement stones. No, no, no. You're going to need these, man. You're going to kill your fish with it. Have you guys ever had fish in bowls and did it work out for you?

Oh, yeah. I mean, but this was the late 80s and early 90s where we didn't hear tell of humane ways to have your fish. Right. Or like having kids with fighting fish, like betta fish. Yeah. Those are always in like their own jars because they'll fight each other. And that's just kind of how they got down.

But it's all made sense now. That's what I was thinking. We could just get one of those. But those especially now they recommend a small aquarium for. Yeah. All the social justice warrior crap I'm telling you, man. I know. All the woke mobs coming for my fish.

Okay. Wow. The fish told you that's what they need? Well, you can tell by their stress levels that we can analyze. Okay. All right. Yeah. Okay.

You speak fish. There's stress levels that we can analyze. Okay. All right. Yeah. Okay. You speak fish. Yeah.

We definitely like did it the old school way where we just like put multiple fish in a tank together that I think there are probably entire books written about like what fish don't go together. And we were just like, nah, these guys, you know, they're, they look similar enough. And one fish just kept killing all the other fish. Which, for me, as a big fan of jaws and predatory fish, aquatic animals, I was really into. And that fish became my favorite pet that I've ever had. But, yeah, it was probably not humane. Sounds definitely not humane.

Yeah. So you weren't sad at all about all the fish that were getting killed? It's real squid games. Probably not. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I was a weird kid.

I wanted to get eaten by a shark. So that was. That's right. We forgot about that. Yeah. What is something you think is overrated? The Mariah Carey Christmas song, All I Want for Christmas is You. I do not like it.

This came up on my new podcast, Upworthy Weekly. There was a story about a bar, I believe it was in Texas, that on their jukebox said, you can't play this song until after Thanksgiving and then only one time per night. And my co-host said he doesn't like any Christmas music, but he does like that song. And I was like, you're entirely wrong, top to bottom. I like all Christmas, no, I like most, I like good Christmas music, but I don't like that song.

And after this aired, I just really got so much shit on Twitter from people, even Bean of Kevin and Bean was like, Allison, I love you, but I'm sorry you're wrong. It's a great song. So many people I know, people I respect and love, have let me know they love that song. So the other day I put it on and I'm like,

I'm going to see, and this is what a big person I am. I'm going to see if I was wrong. Listen to it. Turns out, just like I keep trying to eat cucumber and watermelon and I know they're related. I don't, I,

I don't particularly like either of them and I keep trying. Tried this song, was like, okay, I don't need to hear it again.

I still don't like it. So I just feel this song, I'm surprised at how popular it is and I feel it's overrated. Yeah. It's, it's like, it's one of those songs

I hear at once in the right context and I'm like, ha ha ha, alright. But in my heavy rotation... What a strange reaction, Miles. Yeah, it gets you... Alright, yeah, you're kind of like, hey, I'm in a best buy. Maybe I'll buy this blank VHS tape.

That's what Jack said when his fish got killed. Ha ha, alright. Hey, honey, when his fish got killed. All right. Another two are floating today. More food. You mean my fish? Yeah, yeah. More food. Yeah, more food first. So that's the thing. I like all Christmas music, so I don't hate that one,

but I can only listen to that so many times before I have to go back to the old ear-valuum hits of Christmas music. It is. It has reached a level of cultural just dominance that it's I think it's got to be by far the most played Christmas song, right? Like it has to be like by multiples. Like it just seems like because it's the only one that like nobody's going to ever play a cover of that. And, yeah, it's just so omnipresent.

My kids really like it. So I'm in kind of a weird position. All right. I actually also like it. See? Okay. It's surprising. I'm sorry.

It's surprising how many people I otherwise expect enjoy it. How many basic-ass motherfuckers are out here. Hey, it's good for me for one. All right. And then I go on with my day. But yeah, I'd be lying if I said it didn't give me a little hee-hee. And you go hee-hee-hee all right when you hear it at Best Buy at the beginning of the season. Like if it's an indication that it's Christmas season,

I can accept it. But when we're in the thick of it, I don't want to hear it. It's a good kickoff track. I feel like not liking that song is probably as close as you can get to the experience of being the Grinch.

My heart is exactly the right size. I know. I'm not saying that you are like a Grinch. Like, you know, how the Grinch, like... My heart is exactly the right size. I know. I'm not saying that you are like a Grinch in any respect other than that you do have those charges of stealing people's Christmas trees for the past, I guess, three years, right? I had to fix the light. Right. But the just, you know, the way that he can't stand Christmas and like all the Christmas, like that is basically the most omnipresent thing that you could that I could imagine somebody objecting to that's just like, like everywhere.

I don't know how you could avoid that around the Christmas holidays. You can't. You're right. It's situational grinchiness. But I look at it like I love Christmas time and everything Christmassy so much that I can't like that song. I have a question. I think this is the reason why I think I only like it at the maybe the kickoff to the holidays or like in a dynamic situation. It's because the song itself is very fast.

It's like that tempo. That tempo is too much much that tempo is just too much for me i need to bring that shit back because i think in my mind the year is ending so it's slowing down and maybe just my over consumption of food is contributing to that lethargy but i need the music to also kind of be an energetic match for what i need right the. The end of the year to be. Them to take it down a notch. Yeah. Just a little bit, just a little bit.

But I think that's for me that one of the reasons why, like I tend to like some of the more classics that are more like brooding and just sort of like slow and yeah. Yeah. Evokes a fire, a Yule log. There's a playlist that we listened to called Christmas crooners and it's all the classics.

And I enjoy that quite a bit. Yeah. The people who, I think we talk about it on our holiday year end Christmas song episode, but like the people who sound like they eventually died of throat cancer. Yes. Those people. Yeah.

The classics. What is something you think is underrated? Well, I may be biased, but I feel my new podcast that I mentioned, Upworthy Weekly, is underrated or just under known about as of yet. We're very new. So, you know, the site Upworthy. Yeah. Huge social media presence. This is their very first podcast.

It's a lighthearted current events news podcast. We come out on Saturdays weekly. And we started last month and I'm just having so much fun with it and I'm so excited about it. And I've been podcasting for a very long time and I'm sure you guys feel this way too. Like the podcasting landscape has changed. And I guess I'm just, and I'm revealing way too much, but I'm surprised. I think I expected it would explode a little in a good way, a little more. And I'm just discovering what I've heard other people say all the time of like, it's hard to launch a podcast now because there are so many podcasts. So I think the challenge is just getting the word out about it.

Because I think people would like it if they knew about it. But I think they don't know about it yet. And I know some of that's just that's standard with a new podcast. But anyway. Yeah. I mean, discovery is the hard bit for sure for new shows. Yeah. Right.

I think I was spoiled in the past because I haven't I just had established shows already. Right. Right. Right. And so with this, it's already. Right, right, right. And so with this, it's like Upworthy, right? You're delivering the things that you probably wouldn't hear on this podcast. The things that make you feel better.

It's not hard news. It's more sociological and lighthearted. And, you know, I think their tagline is like the best of humanity delivered. However, we did do a story about a dog's perfect last day. This dog who loved to play in the snow and like the Utah Parks and Recreation put together this snow pile for the dog. But I was like, this is both heartwarming and also incredibly sad. This is the dog's last day. So it's heartwarming. But we kind of joke about that stuff, too. Yeah, yeah dog's last day. So it's heartwarming, but we kind of joke about that

stuff too. So yeah, you know, we did, there was a study that came out that said that men in relationships tend to let go of their social connections and become kind of lonely. It was inspired by, there was a sketch on SNL. I don't know if you guys are watching this season. I only saw this afterwards, but where Pete Davidson is in it and his girlfriend takes him to a man park, which is like a dog park, so that he can make friends. But then we talked about how there's

actually sort of a real world, you know, there's evidence that that does happen. So we talked about, like, are men in relationships lonely, etc.? That kind of stuff. Are we lonely dogs that need to be taken yeah and also our ever-present christmas music disagreement yeah right yeah but it's yeah so i i would love if people would go check it out it comes out on saturdays it's it's a fun listen and and yet also topical and newsy in a light-hearted way yeah my wife has found that if she if you just let me out and lety in a lighthearted way. Yeah.

My wife has found that if you just let me out and let me run a little bit and just like burn off a little bit of that energy, I'm much less depressed at the end of the day when I have to hang out with her friend's husbands. But it's also funny, too, where it's like when there are situations where we're like, who's going to be there? Remember Rick? he likes sports yeah but he looks but i don't like nfl he only likes nfl okay well then there's that other guy uh like dave he's like he's into video games he only games on pc and i don't know what he's talking about half the time like okay or other, me, Ben, he likes Arsenal too. And I'm like, yeah. You do? There are those moments for sure.

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I think basically he's trying to the dumbest way, though, not do anything like with his like face on camera that trump will see and get mad at so like he'll like give the the democrats and the committee like what they're looking for if it's like document drop but he doesn't want to like actually go up there and say the things because then he knows daddy will be mad that's the thing that's odd right because first they said he was cooperating we're like oh he's cooperating but then he's like then they're like no this we're gonna have to fucking you know write him up on contempt charges for you know completely starting to stonewall by using this like excuse that everything is covered under executive privilege even though he spoke about it on tv, he's written a book. They're like, what are you talking about? Like, this doesn't even track at all. And the other thing was,

he also admitted that he was using personal accounts and like signal and like his Gmail and like self personal cell phones to conduct official business. Yet that seemed to be the line where he was like, no, I'm not, I'm not cooperating anymore because the panel did subpoena verizon for phone records and then suddenly that seemed to be the sort of the the final straw for him which makes people believe like well what the fuck is in those messages or communications because based on even what you gave the january 6th committee that shit is some pretty, you know, holy shit. I mean, we suspected, but this is like, these are some interesting receipts that you've given up. I was shocked. So I saw a headline that talked about the damning tweets from Donald Trump Jr.,

Laura Ingraham, and Hannity. And I was thinking that these were going to be, I assumed that it was going to be something like being like, you know, you go burn down the Capitol or whatever. And shockingly, those three turds were trying trying to get Mark Meadows to get Trump to, like, reel it in. Yeah, that when when you find yourself agreeing with those three, like, wow, the bar has really been set low right and this is the thing you know that those texts like you're mentioning it reveals a like panicked right-wing media apparatus that knew shit had gone completely off the rails but right you know but on the same time they had other things to say after those texts apparently fell on deaf ears so you know liz cheney read aloud these texts during you know the the hearing where they they officially decided to formally charge Meadows with contempt.

And I'll just read it because hearing this all read out is really it gives you a whole other sort of feel for it rather than merely reading the text. And so this is Liz Cheney reading texts between that were either sent to mark meadows or yeah so this is liz cheney reading texts that were sent to mark meadows on the day of january 6th from some of fox's brightest stars quote mark the president needs to tell people in the Capitol to go home. This is hurting all of us. He is destroying his legacy, Laura Ingram wrote. Please get him on TV. Destroying everything you have accomplished, Brian Kilmeade texted.

Quote, can he make a statement? Ask people to leave the Capitol, Sean Hannity urged. As the violence continued, one of the president's sons texted Mr. Meadows, quote, he's got to condemn this shit ASAP. The Capitol Police tweet is not enough, Donald Trump Jr. texted. Shocking. is not enough donald trump jr texted shocking so oh i'll go on she does talk about what meadows did respond to meadows response sorry i cut her off short but this is meadows then saying you know responding responded quote i'm pushing it hard i agree still president Trump did not immediately act. So, yeah, I'm pushing it hard, guys. Sorry.

I don't know. I'm maybe I really don't care what's happening. But thanks for that. He just did a tap back. Yeah. Thumbs up. Just doing that. Just, yeah, the emphasis one.

Just the exclamation point. What the fuck does that mean? No, no, no. Fucking fucking stop this is all bad and so again predictably this clip where they're you know bringing him up on charges was not aired at all on fox or oan or newsmax because this is this clearly outlines how things were being viewed from anyone but trump especially when you talk about how people like lauraraham, Sean Hannity, and Kilmeade and many others on Fox, clearly they saw this happening. They're texting, this is all bad.

But then later that night, they're all starting to say shit like, I'm hearing things about Antifa, you know, possibly happening. When they knew it was clear as day what was happening, that the supporters of the president had completely, like, it has gone to the place where Trump was hoping for. But this was already to become too much. Yet they still with their loyalty to this fucked up party were saying, OK, well, we'll do what we need to do to start putting some spin on this, even though to us we clearly saw what was going on. But what I wonder, because I couldn't have a lower opinion of all those people. So do you think they were trying to do damage control, even though in their heart of hearts,

they agree with it? Possibly. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I think it's because they have since realized that I think the lesson on their end is probably we were wrong to tell him to reel it in like because he has successfully like it just hasn't really stuck

he's probably gonna get re-elected in 2024 i feel like and they are you know they they were working with, like, still in the mind frame of, like, a mainstream media world where this sort of thing is, would destroy his legacy. But it just, like, nobody gives a shit, or at least the people who support him don't really give enough of a shit, it seems like. It does prove, like, undoubtedly that they know, that, like, know the truth. Right. Like, yeah. Which I mean, I guess we always knew that. But it's just kind of striking to have it in their words that like, hey, this is these are our people. They listen to the president. Tell the president to tell them to call them off because it's not that they're like hey uh mark meadows please call up commander antifa and tell them to this has all gone too far like no that's clear what they believe the the chain of command is in order to reverse what's happening was that donald trump needed to address them yeah you really think he's going to get re-elected in 2024 i mean they're fucking they're rat fucking many election boards and things. So even if he numerically loses, there will be chaos. Who knows where that goes?

And I think the setup moves are just all there for his return. And I think we still haven't seen the party try and jettison him from what you know what the whatever the actual gop is so we've seen the opposite right we've seen them make moves to like get rid of people who are critical of him have them retire or you know they just get the message and retire on their own right yeah it's just the i think they're probably in the process of realizing okay this is like these are new rules we're playing by and like getting coming around to the fact that they're part of a fascist like organization now and that's how things operate like the you don't tell the leader of fascist organization to like to tell people to

stop being so violent yeah and i think but i think it's like kind of like you know we're starting but we're seeing divisions right like people like dan crenshaw whether he thinks people like lauren bobert or marjorie taylor green are getting too much attention clearly there is like a style there are stylistic differences in these diet fascists who are like don't go like too out in the open with it like let that shit simmer so we can kind of keep things somewhat stable and then you know when the time comes we can do it but like leading with this stuff is just such bad optics like that there's there is a better way that that's clearly there are some conservatives that believe that but i think at this point when you see things like david purdue

running against brian kemp in georgia with trump backing purdue and brian kemp who at the you know used to be a sort of maga darling that what is like how is that infighting going to play out as well and because there are people like him or Ron DeSantis who, you know, like in succession, they have their eye on eventually that top spot. But at what point do you, you know,

realize we need to fucking move him aside or else I'm never going to get there. And I don't know how that's going to play, you know, because everyone has their own desires, but I mean, right now it seems like very light infighting, but I'm curious to see how that evolves while everyone has their own idea of just how, you know, how quickly the official punishment of the Republican Party,

because he has much less funding and energy behind him now, because he didn't help. It's also horrifying. My husband, the one who was right about the fishbowl, fish tank situation, is very into politics and very dismal about what's happening in this country and also just about like what world are we leaving our kids and climate change and bubble you know all the stuff and i kind of have to like tune it out because it's too anxiety provoking for me so to hear what you guys are saying is making me realize like this is just as gloomy as it's actually more certain about the gloomy outlook or maybe he just hasn't been beating the like trump 2024 thing in my face because he knows it'll freak me out but this is all just very dismal

and we need to do something is where i'm going with this we need to take down well cat and then we need to prevent this from happening. Wellcat is number one on our list. Thomas Roy, we're coming for you. It just feels like the thing that makes me most pessimistic, and I will say I am on the I'm definitely on the more pessimistic side in terms of whether Trump will get reelected. elected i've heard a lot of people who think it's kind of a long shot but is that there doesn't seem to be the energy from the republic or the democratic party to like challenge this to like do the things that would be necessary to like step outside of the status quo it's so make sure this doesn't happen i don't understand it i don't understand no and like you know you just point to the fact that like they're from the

white house and be like yeah man you're gonna have to handle that student those student loans man that student loan debt you better start thinking about how you can pay that back and it's like motherfucker you what excuse you and it's you're almost being like oh so they're trying to just throw it they're trying to throw it away or they've gone to this thing where they're like twitter's not real or like people online aren't real and not realizing you know that the general tone of like what how americans feel right now is just like lack and that needs to be addressed and there isn't there aren't many we're talking about the child tax credit possibly lapsing it's only like they're not doing really the the like this just the bare minimum right for

people who are like hey this isn't too bad it's like everything's been like wait they're really gonna fuck us over on that yeah the equate like the equation that worked for them in 2020 was like a combination of biden being the safe bet that like people thought was electable against you know a very erratic last four years. But then he was also like claiming that he was going to do these like things that would help people's lives. And like, I feel like they were just, they're just paying attention to the top. People were wrong that like anyone wanted someone progressive, like look at, look at what happened to the primary and ignoring the fact that they're, you know, doing a bait and switch with, like, the progressive policies that they ran on,

and, like, the idea that Biden was going to be the most pro-union president of all time, and then he, like, comes out and, like, won't even support the John Deere union when they, like, when it actually matters. like that i think they have told themselves because like the conventional wisdom had always been you go with like the guy who's like going to be able to triangulate and get the conservatives and get the more progressives and they're they're just going back to like yeah and that's what's going to win the day again but i think they're missing the fact that a lot of the energy came from him claiming that he was going to do the progressive things. And now that that lie has been exposed, it's just going to be very hard for them to get the energy back. And meanwhile,

Trump is going to be coming in running from the outside and, you know, making a lot of wild claims that you know he has the benefit of not being at all uh hemmed in by the laws of reality yeah and i also think too they they they misread a lot of polling where i've seen a lot of analysis of like based on who and who like for people who vote for democrats only this sliver of people call themselves progressives or leftists or, you know, socialists. And then you have the middle who are just more, you know, regular Democrats or whatever. And I think they're ascribing this need for aid and like transformational, you know, social safety nets to only be the desire of this like left wing part of Democrat voters and mistaking the fact that a plurality of Americans actually

need help and would benefit from it. But relying on their ability to articulate who like their own political ID is a completely different challenge. I think really just asking people, could you use more money? Could you use this thing? And because that polling shows how, like, that's what's interesting is that polling shows overwhelming support for these policies, regardless of who's identifying as what, because at the end of the day, people are able to recognize help when it's there or something that would make their lives easier. But then getting caught and triangulating like, well, I think we're only going to lose like the like more radical progressives if we, you know, punt on student loan debt.

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And so it's a challenge, but. And so it's a challenge. But he feels he's up to it. But he's pissed because the Philadelphia Inquirer has started referring to him as Mr. Oz. And he's like, put some respect on my name. Put some respect on my fucking title. And yeah, he came out swinging. I don't know why uh with this like walk and talk video that's like again i don't know why he thought this needed production value because again this is somebody who's directed videos you should have your subject

begin walking before you roll the camera so it's not that awkward and i'm walking but anyway that's fine, Mehmet. Now? Okay, now. Yeah, that's a free tip from me. But here's him complaining about how he's been OMG cancelled. Last week, the Philadelphia Inquirer had me on their front page as Dr. Oz. This morning, they just announced no more doctor. Even though I'm a practicing physician, I've taken care of patients,

I've done thousands of heart surgeries. They don't want to call me doctor anymore I won't be cancelled Oh my god Hell yeah I won't be cancelled That video fucking rules man So dumb I love the little tilt shift depth of field

It felt very cinematic But again just from a quick direction You could have trimmed the top down. Right. Because doing it like that, it's like, and he's in a parking lot. I feel like he's going to tell me about the deals on cars they have. Yeah, exactly. Crazy. Crazy Oz's. Come on down. Right. He like throws the newspaper out of frame.

Someone hands him an umbrella from off camera. He puts it on like, because it's raining deals and like water comes down. But that's not the only thing. It like that dollar shave club commercial so you know he released this video he's complaining about being canceled but the thing is the philadelphia inquired they made a conscious decision not to be like let's fuck with dr oz that they didn't want to use like these titles when reporting on candidates like they just don't want to have these honorifics to you know just to kind of a level playing field. So people might not be swayed by this title.

So they said, quote, do not use doctor on first reference for anyone with the title, whether they are a medical doctor or have a doctorate in a non-medical field to avoid complaints of unequal treatment from individuals who worked hard to achieve doctorates in non-medical fields.

Because sometimes they'll only give doctorate to like and right and they're saying like you know what we don't need it all they're saying is we don't want to just have it seem like you know there's any kind of our thumbs are on the scale in any possible way they said the only exceptions that they have are for obituaries and dr martin luther king jr so shout out to the lobby inquiry for that. But yeah, I mean, I think it's just clear that, you know, Dr. Oz is like this TV character and this whole campaign is about, it's about brand awareness. He knows that he's not going to win because he has any kind of mind for legislation.

He's there because in the culture wars, he's emerged as a willing, you know, embracer of bullshit pseudoscience to normalize it on TV. And so for him not being able to, like, the thing with Donald Trump is Donald Trump was his brand name, you know? Right. Mehmet Oz is not Dr. Oz's brand name. Dr. Oz is his fucking brand. So I think that's why he's just out here being like, I don't what they're canceling me

because that's my brand. It's Dr. Oz erasure. They're erasing him. If I understand correctly, it's their style guide. So it's not just for political candidates. It's like across the board. And I used to work in magazines that had style guides and things. And so it is an interesting debate because generally you always defer to the style guide except, you know, communication to the readers is more important than the letter and the law of the style guide. So in a situation like this, and I'm not going to come out on his side because that would make me barf, but in a situation like this, and I'm not going to come out on his side because that would make me barf. But in a situation like this where people do know him want to say, oh, this is Connor Lamb, who is running for who's also running. Here's John Fetterman, who's also running. And there you'll typically give a description. Mehmet Oz, who is practicing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Like, you know, if you're writing it up, you're not going to avoid mentioning, you know, what qualifications they may have or what they do for work as it relates to their candidacy. Right. And if it was like Lil' Kim running, they're not going to be referring to her in the paper as Lil' Kim. No. They're going to call her. They're going to call her Queen B, I believe. Put the hex on the whole family.

Dressed in all black like the omen, as her verse in All About the Benjamins goes. But yeah, I think this is one of those moments where again it's the brand awareness and it's funny too because there is another medical doctor running in this same race uh dr val arkush and you know she said i have no problem with this that's fine i'm really here to talk about like these ideas i have as potentially a senator and not to say like because i'm a doctor vote for me and you, she's also not out here saying things because she's an actual obstetric anesthesiologist like your vagina is a self-cleaning oven. So, you know, Dr. Val Arcoosh might have a little more sense than Dr. Oz here.

Yeah, this is also like, so basically it's not that they created this rule after Dr. Oz like became a candidate they wrote an article in which the front page headline and photo caption and first sentence all referred to dr oz as dr oz and then they came out more like actually we realize that does not fit with our style guide and like they were basically doing reacting to the reality you were talking about miles that this is a brand Dr. Oz. And like,

so that is how he exists in most people's brains as Dr. Oz. But like that is, doesn't stick to, it doesn't fit within the rules of their, of their style guide. So they didn't make a change, which is what I assumed at first.

It's just. No, they said it was a mistake to run it as Dr. Austin the first time. Right. But the idea that we want to elect that TV personality into office as opposed to we want to elect this person of substance who happens to have a show. The former terrifies me. Yeah. It's what we've already done and didn't go well. And apparently we're doing it again in 2024. Yeah. Yeah. It's what we've already done and it didn't go well. And apparently we're doing it again in 2024.

Yeah, yeah. We'll see. All right. Well, let's talk about Mr. Big. Not Dr. Big, but it is officially his name, Mr. Big. So this is going to be technically a spoiler for the Sex and the City reboot and just like that. So if you haven't seen that and for some reason are like really holding out hope to be caught off guard

by the twists and turns and there is a big twist in the in the first episode then maybe stop listening here. Okay so in the first episode we open with Carrie being married to Mr. Big played by Chris Knopf. And then at the end of the first episode, Big dies of a heart attack after exercising on his Peloton bike. He's discovered by Carrie, who, despite the fact that he's clearly still alive when she finds him, doesn't call an ambulance or anything for several minutes until her voiceover reveals that he died. It's a very strange, prolonged scene, like kind of on the level of that, like it reminded me of the Lonely Island sketch

where they keep shooting people in the music place. Oh, the OC what you say? Yeah, the OC what you say thing, because it's just like, wait, so he's still alive, but he's holding his arm. Criminal charges should be brought against Carrie. On the bathroom

floor, right? He's in the bathroom. He's outside the shower. But he still sees her, eyes focus on her. But he looks a little vacant but definitely the move is to immediately call 9-1-1 as you're trying to but instead she like jumps into the shower and then like starts hugging him and i mean you know people react when experiencing grief and shock in

different ways but then i think at one point she starts like trying to perform mouth to mouth on him which seems weird because he's still alive but anyways wait really i don't know were there like kissing but it was like a weird like i do not recall her doing any sort of resuscitation it was just a real like and then you see her special shoes that she'd worn that day which she apparently wore when they got married. They get all wet. But it just seemed like a, like, now I'm just going to hold you and it's inevitable that you're going to die. When in real life, probably, in real life, there was probably time to do something.

Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, yeah, that's a terrible reaction as someone's having a medical emergency. And yes, console somebody. But my first thing is like, I don't know what the fuck to do.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. She didn't go like, oh my God, what the fuck is happening? Oh my God. You know, she was just like. You have a heart attack?

Hold on, 911. I can also hold someone and be on the phone. Okay, Gary? The fuck? It's, yeah, it's probably just that writing, which I would say this reboot thus far suffers from a great deal of. Yeah. But they...

Poor Peloton. Yeah, so Peloton. The news story, this became a news story because there hasn't been, in recent memory, an example of product placement that so directly kills one of the characters. Through its use as advertised, basically. Right. The idea that you're democratizing spin classes and putting it in 50-something guys' homes so they can do the workout in the privacy of their own home,

that is basically the pitch of Peloton, right? And that is also the exact thing that kills this guy, is that, like, he probably shouldn't be exercising as hard as he was. He probably shouldn't be exercising without somebody present. Well, it's also super weird, though, because in the show and in the culture around the show, it is understood that this Peloton ride is what did him in, I guess.

However, I feel like that doesn't have to be the truth because someone who has a bad heart, like maybe it was going to go at that time no matter what he did. So it's weird that in the show, that's what they have seemed to that conclusion they seem to have reached yeah in the second episode someone's like that fucking bike yeah it's it's steve and he says that fucking bike right that's what bike that fucking bike all right hey miranda but i don't think it's clear that that is what did it. I don't think so. Right. But isn't that like why Peloton had to act as if there's a whole forensic analysis? They're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what the fuck? Right. Why are you trying to put that on the bike?

They're like, he could have died fucking Carrie, you know, and you're going to put this on the Peloton. Right. Look at his lifestyle and he smokes and eats steaks. And maybe he has a history of it in his fictional family. Yeah. So they're just a writer jam looked up some other examples of like bad product placement that backfired on these massive corporations. So we don't really need to feel bad for them. But Coke wasn't thrilled that they're they had a commercial that appeared in Natural Born Killers, which is this very like postmodern cutting back and forth

between different types of media. And Coke had one of their commercials intercut with footage of headless bloody bodies in Natural Born Killers, which is decidedly against the Coke brand manifesto, as far as I can tell. That's not in their style guide? Yeah, it's not in their style guide.

They like head full bodies. Yeah. Right, exactly. There can be blood. Yeah. But the heads have to be attached. Right. Reebok invested $1.5 million in Jerry Maguire

only to have the one reference to Reebok in the movie be Cuba Gooding Jr. shouting, Fuck Reebok. I think this one comes the closest maybe to being like the peloton one being like the peloton one because like they got it in the movie and then they made fun of the one thing that is like the bad part of reebok that it's like the lesser of the shoe brands it's not who you would want to be sponsored by you would want to be sponsored by. You would want to be sponsored by Nike. And that is, I think, the context in which Cuba Getting Junior Shouts Fuck Reebok. So that seems like it's close to what we're talking about.

Mad Men also always routinely use real companies. But then there was the Jaguar incident when they get the Jaguar account. jaguar incident when they get the jaguar account it's run by a really creepy piece of shit who would only give don draper his business if the company forced one of the characters to have sex with him and then like as it that one also feels like like the peloton thing struck me as like okay maybe the head writer of this sex in the city reboot like has a personal beef with uh peloton like had a bad experience with peloton and has a vendetta the jaguar madman example is also feels like that because not only is like the head of jag jaguar a piece of shit but then like the guy who brings in the business ends up killing himself.

And he tries to do it by like putting a hose from the tailpipe of the Jaguar into his front driver's side window. But the car like fails. So that's the only thing that stops them from doing that. That's pretty clever. Compounding the embarrassment. Yeah, exactly.

But anyways, Peloton, in addition to having one of their medical advisors issue a note like talking about how big is a you know unhealthy piece of shit and it wasn't there it's not our bike he fucking he's a unhealthy fat guy then also they partnered with ryan reynolds for some reason i didn't He's not in the ad, but I think because of the Peloton wife ad that he countered. Right. In 2019. So they partnered with him to whip up a tongue in cheek commercial featuring Chris Knoth and Jess King, the Peloton instructor from the show. And they're basically on a couch together and saying,

let's go for a ride soon on the Peloton. And it's supposed to be like they're actually having fun. It ends up feeling like they're in a creepy purgatory afterlife in which you have to ride a Pel peloton your entire within moments right yeah to avoid going to hell i like you know anna in the chat right now saying she suspects that there's this was a setup that they knew what they were doing the whole time uh that they were maybe in cahoots yeah part of me thinks oh that's interesting that's a little difficult given how in the toilet like Peloton is at the moment. They're like, yeah, that'll be cool. And then it'll maybe mess up the brand identity a little bit more.

It is interesting, not to be too cynical about it, but before I even heard actual reviews of the reboot when it aired, I saw all like I knew someone's going to die because of a Peloton. I didn't think it was going to be big. For some reason, I assumed it was the Peloton teacher. I was confused, but I was seeing all these articles about the relationship, you know, about that shocking Peloton death. So clearly there was some kind of PR campaign. Like, I don't think that that was organic. Right. I think what happened, like, for sure they knew about it before we did, right? Peloton knew about it

before we did. They got probably either had it screened for them or it leaked out and, you know, they have, like, corporations have intelligence agencies working for them, just the same as governments. So I'm sure they were all over it. I doubt that they encouraged them to do this because, A, brands are not that smart.

They're not that kind of smart, right? They play shit safe but also they have been killing people like recently and uh it's been a huge like hit to their share prices pelotons have pelotons have been killing yeah so they had a treadmill that killed a child and there was a like call to issue a recall on their treadmills and they you know pumped the brakes on that they they wanted to examine whether that was the right thing to do based on how not profitable it was you know what happened with the child yeah no no I don't know I I think it involved like them getting stuck underneath or something it It was really horrifying.

Treadmills in general are fucking dangerous. Exercise is terrible, you guys. Yeah. Exactly. It's the devil, right? Too risky. Satanic panic. So I would say don't hate Peloton for killing a fictional character. Hate them for fighting a recall for a product they knew led to the death of a child and also their stock is like so a lot of people were reporting that the stock was down

11 based on this storyline the stock has been down like overall like across the you know yeah i didn't know that because i had heard that it went down in relation to this show so i was like wow that actually, not that I have, you know, not that my heart bleeds for Peloton, but like that does suck for them if this caused that. But no, this didn't cause that. It's that and they just, they over forecasted what they thought, you know, how many more signups they'd have in 2021 without realizing like what reopening would do for people's exercise habits yeah but i'm just surprised they didn't like really put the knife in and carrie's like getting really specific to

like slam peloton it's like oh my god big why did you take a power zones class with alex toussaint you know it's too hard for you and like looking directing the camera what's the deal with those but who knows it was a real peloton instructor who played the instructor in the show, though. They changed the name, but did get the actual instructor. To Allegra, everyone's favorite antihistamine. They're always like, hey, hey, what happened when you shot with Sex and the City?

What went down? Did anything, how was it with Peloton? Yeah, like that's another example of like how they probably like figured out. Oh yeah, nothing, nothing. It was all good. It was really fun. Oh, yeah. Nothing. Nothing. Oh, yeah. It was really fun. Yeah.

Oh, really? Definitely didn't kill anyone. Yeah. The guy died. I'm sorry, Mr. Peloton. But I mean, I like this goes directly towards like what is a risk with Peloton, which is like, you know, you see him doing the workout and he's being like coached slash like, you know, yelled at by an

instructor who's you know hundreds of miles away from him and but like is telling him to like you know really step it up and it's like he's a 60 year old guy and like who probably thinks she's attractive i mean they make jokes about how he thinks she's attractive throughout the show. So it's like, I don't know. It feels like that's not a great setup for people not to die of heart attacks. Like, that's what I'm curious about is like how many people are dying of heart attacks. You could levy that against any exercise video service. You know, like if you're doing P90X or stuff like that in the past. Like, at a certain point, you have to know yourself. But she sees me, Miles.

She sees me. I think she likes me. To play devil's advocate with P90X or, you know, what is it, Tybo? Is that what it was called? Billy Blank's Tybo. Yeah, I used to have that. You know that you're watching something taped,

whereas with Peloton, there is the illusion that it is two ways and that it's unique. You know, the direction is like unique to you. And this is his thousandth ride, and he's excited that he's going to get a shout out from the instructor who he has a crush on. So they really just like kind of hone in on the one. They're just trying to shit on it. But I'm like, in my mind like in my mind like that doesn't seem logical you know like yeah it'd be like no man these pellets they'll fucking kill you because

they they try and get you to do more than you can that's you know do you have a peloton why is that relevant that's a good question because i I've noticed people who do Peloton immediately become converts to it and are like, it's actually pretty great. Like, I kind of love it. And so I'm just curious. Yeah, I'm not going to do an ad for them right now based on what we've been talking about. There are definitely parts of it where I'm surprised for me as such little motivation to exercise that something got my stinking ass to do something more than like for a week straight. Yeah. This is what they say.

This is what they say. This is the exact speech. That's how they get you. Next thing you know, y'all going to be talking about my death on this thing. So you do have one? No comment. on this thing so you do have one uh no comment if i were to have one i'd hope peloton would understand uh what the values of my brand ambassadorship in a particularly tumultuous time at the moment i'd be willing to shill for the bike if you did have one how many times would you find yourself using it like on a on a weekly basis how how frequently are we talking? Four times a week. What? Four times a week. Four, wow.

Damn. Impressive. Okay. If I did. Yeah. If I did it, which I am not. If I did it by OJ Simpson, it's about me owning a Peloton. Yeah.

Well, Allison, it's been such a pleasure having you as always. Where can people find you and follow you? Please follow me on social media at allison rosen it's just one l-a-l-i-s-o-n-r-o-s-e-n on twitter and instagram yeah yeah and is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying yes so there is this woman she calls herself cj the car girl i discovered her her on TikTok. I'm fairly new to TikTok. I was a holdout for a long time. And now I'm like, wow, it really is as creative and addictive as everyone says.

But anyway, she's from Arkansas. She has this, I could just listen to her talk all day because she has this great Arkansas accent. She used to work for car companies or car people who sold cars or something. So she offers all these tips on ways that you don't get screwed when you're going to buy a car. So like the video that I first watched of hers was five questions never to answer on the car lot. Like when you go and you're looking at a car and if they say, oh, are you looking to pay cash or finance, which I always just answer, you're

supposed to never answer that because the reason they're asking is to figure out like, are they going to screw you on this part of the deal or on that? And there's like four other, so there's five ones. She has corgis. She's got a corgi puppy. I'm just super into her. So anyway, her name's CJ the car girl, but on TikTok, her handle is smell like bad decisions. So smell underscore like underscore bad underscore decisions. Awesome. I recommend her work. Miles, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying?

Find me on Twitter and Instagram at milesofgray and also the other pod 420dayfiance with Sophia Alexandra talking about 90 day. First tweet I like is from at clap if you like me tweeted put the Bed Bath & Beyond coupon team in charge of distributing COVID tests. Yeah. I'd have fucking 15 of them shits on deck.

Yeah. And then another one from your doy. So funny. This is from your doy. A underscore tweeted Nintendo, Nintendo, Nintendo, Nintendo,

Nintendo. Nintendo, Nintendas, Nintendah, Nintendamos, Nintendan. And then he goes on. This is so funny. The next one is fucking dildo, dildas, dildamos, dildan. Dilda ustedes. Yeah. So he's just... Shout out to Yedoye for that. That's so fucking funny.

What's his name? Yedoye Travis, but his handle is Yedoye, Y-E-D-O-Y-E underscore. Jack underscore O'Brien on Twitter. Friend of mine's dog is sick. Imagine working with Daniel Day-Lewis and jeremy strong on the set of lincoln and you pull out your phone and they're like oh what demonry probably accurate actually i don't even know if that's been re that was at jess d ripper there it is you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com,

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