The Daily Zeitgeist - The Boomers Are Not Alright, QAnon’s Most Wanted 7.16.20

Episode Date: July 16, 2020

In episode 673, Jack and Miles are joined by New's O'Clock's Hayes Brown to discuss a city in North Carolina approving reparations for Black residents, the White House trying to take control of the co...ronavirus data, the Wayfair human trafficking conspiracy theory, a lead poisoning thesis, and more!FOOTNOTES: In historic move, North Carolina city approves reparations for Black residents Trump Administration Strips C.D.C. of Control of Coronavirus Data Anthony Fauci has been wrong about everything I have interacted with him on: Peter Navarro CDC director says COVID-19 spike in the South likely caused by people from the Northeast traveling to those states for vacation - and warns the fall will likely be 'one of the most difficult times' seen in US public health Fact check: No evidence linking Wayfair to human trafficking operation The Conspiracy Theory About Wayfair Is Spreading Fast Among Lifestyle Influencers On Instagram Wellness Influencers Are Spreading QAnon Conspiracies About the Coronavirus How the Wayfair human-trafficking conspiracy theory grew out of QAnon Boomers exposed to lots of lead as kids are at higher risk for mental health problems An Updated Lead-Crime Roundup for 2018 One Author Argues 'Sociopathic' Baby Boomers Have Hurt America WATCH: StereoLab - Diagonals Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:03 on the iHeart app apple podcasts or wherever you stream podcasts hello the internet and welcome to season 142 episode 4 of their daily zeitgeist a production of iheart radio this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into america's shared consciousness and say officially off the top fuck the the Koch brothers, fuck Fox News, fuck Rush Limbaugh, fuck Buck Sexton, fuck Liverpool, fuck Ben Shapiro, fuck Jeff Bezos. We're recording this mid-Arsenal match. I just like that's a big shot to take right now.
Starting point is 00:02:41 Yeah, yeah, sorry. They're the champions. We had to give them the honor guard. We had to give them the honor guard. We had to give them the honor guard. Yeah, Jack, you don't want that Liverpool smoke. There's a lot of Liverpool's I-Gang supporters. I get the smoke regularly. I am wading into waters.
Starting point is 00:02:55 I do not understand the depths of it, so I will just shut up. Like a Karen at a Black Lives Matter march. About to get into something. You didn't have to come in here. It's Thursday, July 16th, 2020. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. All I can say is that this year is pretty strange. We're all masked inside and can't pronounce Ghislaine.
Starting point is 00:03:24 And my Mountain Dew and's kirkland cold brew is the only thing helping me through all this pain i miss monday that is courtesy of christy i'm gucci man and i'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Say, Miles, you know you better watch out. Some girls, some girls are only about zeitgangs, zeitgangs, zeitgangs. So true, man. You got to watch out.
Starting point is 00:04:06 I mean, you got to watch out because obviously the sexual power that exude from jacked eyes voices on a daily basis. We know these verbal milkshakes cannot keep anyone from these yards. This AKA, I really have to shout this AKA author out because this was such a blast from my past i almost thought that there was no pandemic and we were in the year 2018 of our lord that was from at chapman rice okay one of the og fucking aka goddesses masters so wait was that an old one or is she just no that's check back in this shit came julyth. I'm sorry it took me so long. I was almost in shock that I saw this. So I hope you're doing well.
Starting point is 00:04:49 It's been a minute, Chapman. The original Christy Yamaguchi, man. She was the first one who was submitting so many so fast, so furious. Without her, there is no Christy. I know. I mean, the list goes on. Shout out Hannah Soltis. Her influence will be felt down through history.
Starting point is 00:05:08 Hey, Miles, we have a great first-time guest. He is the brilliant, the talented Mr. Hayes Brown. What's up, Hayes? Hello. Hi. I am flattered and humbled by that intro. I'm delighted to hear all those words about myself. We're psyched to have you, man.
Starting point is 00:05:24 Well, first time, it was just a little drop-in when the impeachment podcast started. We're like, okay. And then now, come on in. Come back. Be the guest. Be our guest. Stay for a while. Be our guest. Glad to do it.
Starting point is 00:05:40 So, Hayes, you hosted the impeachment podcast back when that was all anyone could think about, wanted to think about. And now you are hosting with BuzzFeed News or as part of BuzzFeed News. Are you an editor at BuzzFeed News? So I was an editor at BuzzFeed News, but now my main gig is doing the podcast daily. It's called News O'Clock bus and iheart and yeah that's that's my day in day out these days uh it's a good show uh you are a great voice to check in
Starting point is 00:06:13 with daily uh and we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about today uh what are we gonna talk about today uh we're gonna talk about the fact that ashville north carolina approved reparations for black residents um we're going to talk about uh the white house's battle with the cdc uh that's where we're at oh we're going to talk about the wayfair conspiracy theory uh which oh how dumb is our country getting, guys? A level right there. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 00:06:47 Oh, boy. New levels. New lows. And then I'm going to talk about lead poisoning if we have time. Got a lot to say about lead poisoning. But first, Hayes, we like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? So I had to go back a little bit to figure this out
Starting point is 00:07:06 because I'm Googling just random things all day for work. And one that I came up with was Garth Brooks' breakfast bowl. Because I saw a tweet that mentioned the idea of, so basically it was a tweet about, who would you be quarantining with? And this person said, oh man, I'll be eating Garth Brooks' breakfast bowl every day. It's like, what is that? What kind of sexual maneuver is that?
Starting point is 00:07:32 Unfortunately, it is not at all a sexual maneuver. It is, though, a breakfast that Garth has contrived and is in Ticia yearwood's uh cookbook whereby you take scrambled eggs and sausage and bacon and tortellini and put it all in a bowl that's just she's tortellini that is a sometimes apparently he will cook up fries or some sort of fried potato to go with it too and that is the garth brooks breakfast bowl and it, it's so American that it hurts in the soul and the arteries. Yeah, exactly. Tortellini.
Starting point is 00:08:11 What a violent mashup of food too. Just like, I was like, uh-huh, uh-huh. And tortellini. Apparently he puts tortellini in like so many different things. And Tricia,
Starting point is 00:08:21 your wood has apparently given up on telling him, no, you can't do that. Right. He'll just be like, oh, you're making a breakfast quiche? Throw some tortellini in there. She's like, no, you're wilding out Garth Brooks and she does it and it's delicious, apparently.
Starting point is 00:08:32 Do you take your coffee black? Yeah, black with some tortellini in there, please. Just squeeze the pasta, get the cheese in there, stir it in, and then let the pasta float on top. Oh, you guys are going to say domo arigato when you have some of Garth's famous tortaschimi.
Starting point is 00:08:47 It's sashimi around tortellini. You just slice it so thin. So thin you don't even know. You don't even know. Oh, man. Garth Brooks, one of my favorite. There's some famous
Starting point is 00:09:03 people who are just basically a walking, talking, psychological experiment. They've grown up in such strange circumstances or existed in such strange circumstances because of how famous they are. famous they are. Just any video, any interview with him, any video he posts of himself, he's just like on a different planet in a very entertaining way. Hey, man. Yeah, he's just like gaslit by his own success in a way. It's like, hey, man, I don't even know where I am, but hey.
Starting point is 00:09:41 Put some trouble on there. So as a black kid, I didn't really grow up with Garth Brooks. The first memory I have of his existence was him on the old 90s show, Muppets Tonight, the very short-lived show where he was the guest. The conceit was he was supposed to do a country
Starting point is 00:09:55 song for them, and he just never really did. And at one point, he finally agrees to, and he goes out and he performs If I Were a Rich Man from Fiddler on the Roof. You said he was going to do a country song from Fiddler on the Roof. You said he was going to do a country song. Yeah, he didn't say which country.
Starting point is 00:10:10 There you go, Garth. I wonder if that was around the Chris Gaines time when he was just upsetting all audience expectations. This would have been around like 97, 98, so I don't remember when the Chris Gaines thing was,
Starting point is 00:10:25 but I think it was a little bit after that. Yeah. I think that was my first memory of realizing he was a big deal because the Chris Gaines thing was like, I was like, oh, you can do that? Okay. That's fun. I mean, I knew his name.
Starting point is 00:10:40 I mean, not really. Yeah, but at the same time, I'm like, hey, okay. Yeah. All right, man. Cool. Hey, man, you guys are like some fiddler on the same time i'm like hey okay yeah all right man cool hey man you guys are like uh some fiddler on the roof i'm gonna be tevye uh pretty cool um tevye west but god just the like that that is he was already on some next level uh thinking like galaxy brain fame uh when he's like, alright, I'm at the peak of my it's like Michael Jordan level
Starting point is 00:11:08 where he's just like, I'm at the peak of my powers as a country artist. I will change my name, change my appearance, and do a Clark Kent. The appearance thing was a really wild part. Changing your name, that's just part of being famous. People do it all. Beyonce was briefly Sasha Fierce, and that's an alter ego
Starting point is 00:11:24 you have, it's fine. right changing the look was the weird part the type the genre the um and and insisting uh on introducing chris gaines as the musical guest on the episode of snl that he hosted yeah um but that's just me playing peekaboo with reality man yeah i moved to uh to kentucky in the 90s and that he was like i i was fully unprepared for the fact that garth brooks was basically like michael jackson at that point like it was like thriller thriller era michael jackson for uh people who had who had trucks and cowboy hats. What is something you think is underrated? Underrated.
Starting point is 00:12:12 I thought hard about this one, and I'm going to come both barrels blazing and say that underrated is the 1999 classic film, Wild Wild West. And let me explain. Let me explain. Precisely. wild wild west and let me explain let me explain precisely uh there are a lot of problems with this movie just putting that out front however it did two things for the culture one it kept will smith from being neo in the matrix he turned down neo for this, and I think that the timeline is better for that. And two, especially for right now, I think it's important that we had a movie that was all about Will Smith and Kevin Kline punching Confederates.
Starting point is 00:13:06 I think that that is the thing we should be focused on, that they talk about Confederate massacres of free black people and the South will rise again as bullshit. And just, I really think that we need to take another look at it, maybe to lead out some extremely problematic jokes about Asians and the disabled and just focus on the Confederate punch in. Yeah. Those 90s action films. What can you do? What can you do?
Starting point is 00:13:23 What was Loveless? That was Kenneth Branagh, right? Yep. Arliss Lovel can you do what was what was loveless that was kenneth brana right yep our loveless and what was his backstory like was he i i just remember his name and who i just remember his backstory was that he lost movies in he lost his lower half uh due to some accident or another in his backstory instead instead focused on you know mechanical improvement so we had this steam-powered wheelchair he's the one that built the giant robot spider mechanical spider right and that was another bullet that uh wild west wild wild west i'm sorry whoa whoa that was another bullet that that movie took for us is that uh the producer john Peters, was riding into the 90s, just high, literally guns blazing, was like, somebody is going to make a movie
Starting point is 00:14:11 that ends with a giant mechanical spider. He was determined. He was determined. He tried to put it in a Superman movie, and people notes-ed out of that script. So he was like, all right, guys, now I'm going to throw an idea out there, and you're going to, out of that script. So he was like, all right guys, now, uh,
Starting point is 00:14:25 I'm going to throw an idea out there and you're going to incorporate it into the script. And sure enough, uh, John Peters, giant mechanical electric spray, uh, mechanical spider.
Starting point is 00:14:36 I mean, how many times have people had to like placate him and be like, Hey dude, I fuck with the vision. I seriously do. I just don't know if it's right for this one. Didn't, I mean,
Starting point is 00:14:44 how pivotal is wild wild west to like steampunk culture because i feel like that was one of the i feel like it i'm sure more than we recognize yeah i feel like more than we recognize because uh especially because the tiny sunglasses fad do you remember the tiny like little wild wild west sunglasses that they wore in the movie the burger king ones exactly i had those were such a hot commodity i loved mine until i i pretty sure i lost mine at the pool that summer that same summer we did a rewatch of uh men in black where earlier uh in the quarantine and it ends showing like a future vision of after tommy lee jones retires and will sm Will Smith is the new leader of the crew and he has these weird tiny sort of armless sunglasses
Starting point is 00:15:31 on his face that are... That was his mechanical spider, tiny sunglasses. He's like, you know what would look dope? Tiny sunglasses. Fun fact, those are what inspired Kylie Jenner the last couple of years. There's some tiny sunglasses. That fact, those are what inspired Kylie Jenner the last couple of years. Dressed in tiny sunglasses. That's entirely made up.
Starting point is 00:15:48 That's not at all true to my knowledge. I'd believe it, though. She's like, have you guys seen this? What is something you think is overrated? Being right. Like, don't get me wrong. I'm a Virgo with Sagittarius moon rising. I love being right.
Starting point is 00:16:06 But some people on God's internet take it too far and cannot admit when they are wrong. And I feel like if more people online were willing to be like, oh, yo, my facts were completely twisted there. Or, hey, I stepped out of line. I was wrong. Then the internet would be a better place in my opinion yeah but then you look like a punk with no balls yeah but here's the thing that's and that's what that's why it's overrated it is over rated like why not just say oh shit i learned something today moving forward right yeah it really is yeah i think we've over the last you know i think months and
Starting point is 00:16:46 months whether it's the pandemic or the uprisings and things like that that have gone on we've more and more been encouraging people i feel like the funniest tweets to me are the ones encouraging people like hey man let's normalize just being like yeah okay i took an l on that one uh but i learned picking it up and moving on because guess what i learned something now so now i'm adding to my fucking you know if you want, if you're going to get your ego wrapped into it, then at least say, oh shit, I didn't know that. Let me shut the fuck up real quick. I'm going to take the L, put this in my knowledge base, and then I can come back harder because
Starting point is 00:17:17 then at least I know what the right thing is. I'm not just out here, just an empty vessel for my ego to run wild. Right. I feel like every villain that we come across in 2020 is someone who has refused to take the L and grow from it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, wow.
Starting point is 00:17:33 Oh, God. That's like the lesson that we're having to learn as a society. And most people have in general, but it's like this one. So the message of 2020 is learn to take the L and accept that and keep it moving. Yep. I feel like a lot of the criticisms of cancel culture are really criticisms of the idea that you only get one chance to be wrong and then nobody listens to you ever again. And I feel like that's not necessarily the case.
Starting point is 00:18:06 That's not like the thesis statement of progressive culture right now. It's just a way that defensive people have interpreted criticism, I feel like. Exactly. Again, people who just can't take the L. I cannot believe that I said this and now people are yelling at me and want me to be fired from my very high powered position because I had this opinion that is just an opinion. Right.
Starting point is 00:18:36 Yeah. Oh boy. Hayes, what is a myth? What's something people think is true you know to be false? So this one is going to be a little controversial, but the one that I'm bringing to you is the myth that famed documentarian Michael Moore is from Flint, Michigan. Ooh! Do people think he's from Flint? Or I guess we have a strong association with him because of his early work. Right, exactly. He did Roger and Me, the classic documentary about what happened to Flint after GM collapsed.
Starting point is 00:19:06 And, you know, his dad was a GM worker. His family, like, took part in the sit-down strikes of when the General Motors Union, the UAW, was being founded. But here's the thing. He was born and raised in Davison, Michigan, which is about two suburbs out from Flint. So if you go east from Flint, first you hit Burton, and then Davison Township. And yes, it's the Flint area. It's a suburb of Flint. It's like the people who say that they're from Chicago when they're really from the
Starting point is 00:19:35 North Shore. But yeah, that's the analogy, I'd say. It's like if you're saying like, yeah, I'm from Chicago. Oh, you're actually from like Evanston or further out. Not quite. I see what you're doing there. And some people do adjust to, you know, because you don't feel like explaining like where whatever place you're from is. But also you get some more cred from that.
Starting point is 00:19:58 And that is something that I have long been like, OK, but Michael, do you get to say that when you did not graduate from the Flint school system? Wow. I like that local Michigander beef where you're like, oh, I think you're from Davidson, bro. You're not even from Flint. It's like the thing. It's in a way like when I travel and I meet people and they say they're from LA and I'm like, oh, really? What part? They're like Huntington Beach.
Starting point is 00:20:18 I said, precisely. Precisely. That is Orange County, my good man. But I understand to you if you're zooming out on a map enough, those two points look very close together, so fair play to you on that. But the closer we get, we begin to see the distance between the two, and they are not in fact the same place. Is Davison, like, is there a certain vibe that's very different from Flint
Starting point is 00:20:38 that is also like, it's a little less working class? It's more that it's a little whiter that's for sure because one of the big things is that when uh gm collapsed and after like the you know general creation of the suburbs flint became blacker and blacker over time and because as people fled out to the suburbs and that's you know very clearly on display to this day um and also you know like their school systems have more money available etc versus like my high school which no longer exists yeah wow wow really oh yeah flint central closed down like maybe three years after i graduated which is real shame beautiful old building
Starting point is 00:21:18 great magnet program i was in the magnet program for social sciences, so English and history and theater. We had Model United Nations, where people would come from other high schools to our high school for that program, too. It was a great school, and I miss it on the regular. And what happened? It was just the funding. Just funding, man.
Starting point is 00:21:42 Funding right up. It was too big a place to, who she is from Michigan, in fact. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, no, there wasn't money to maintain this giant old building. There weren't enough students. So they were trying to consolidate
Starting point is 00:21:54 and Central was one of those. It was like, well, give it the X, which is such a shame. That's brutal. It's weird that documentary filmmakers are such, like they are our culture's most skillful liars. I feel like all documentary films, like when you look hard enough,
Starting point is 00:22:16 are like based around some central lie or like something that they're just like leaving out where it's like, ah, okay. Yeah. I see. That's the narrative twist. Right. Right. Um,
Starting point is 00:22:29 it's not, not all, but a lot of the big ones I feel like are, uh, it's worth research doing, uh, as much research as possible when you, when you watch a documentary movie before allowing it to completely shape
Starting point is 00:22:42 your worldview. Yeah. Or like, yeah, for sure. See where, see what their early work was. It's like, oh, they were making illegal drag racing videos before, and now I'm supposed to trust their take on this complex geopolitical issue?
Starting point is 00:22:57 Yeah, for sure, especially with the rise of YouTube and people putting out documentaries out there. That term is used like a weapon. Right, absolutely. That's why i trust like if it's british i will 99 of the time trust it as a documentary like if it says bbc at the start like sold i will believe whatever you tell me now and then every time i'm like oh cool another political doc on hbl i'm like oh it's nancy pelosi. That's right. She's a great documentarian, though. Is she really?
Starting point is 00:23:27 Yeah. Alexander Pelosi? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's had some really journeys with George, like that one, which is so funny when you're like, whoa, what access? And you're like, you're Nancy Pelosi's daughter. But you get interesting. There's some interesting stories that have been told.
Starting point is 00:23:44 She also had that other one with Ted Haggard about, you know, the evangelical pastor. Some interesting work. But yeah, it's always interesting to see sort of how people get into documentary work. Some people are like, I always grew up with a camera because my parents were rich. So that's how I did it. And other people are like, nobody knew about this thing. And like, I had to figure it out and blah, blah, blah. So I always like to read about a little bit of the backstory about where people are coming from.
Starting point is 00:24:11 Because it doesn't necessarily negate the work, but it's always interesting to see what the background is. It fleshes out. It adds more context to it. Yeah, absolutely. kind of paying more attention to as a people as we enter this time when uh like every almost every human being will have at like enough footage of them from birth to like make a compelling documentary one way or another like we have a while but yeah be aware that like you can lie with real with editing just editing you don't have to you know yeah no i am overtly lie i i stand hard for context as much context as you can pack into a thing that explains
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Starting point is 00:29:38 It's interesting. I mean, it's not a direct payment type thing. It's an investment in community because I think that's really the most restorative thing is you want you want you want this to reverberate for generations much in the same way the systemic racism has reverberated for generations to this point um and there aren't many dollar figures but this is sort of what they're describing this uh resolution as saying uh quote the resulting budgetary and programmatic priorities may include but not be limited to increasing minority home ownership and access to other affordable housing, increasing minority business ownership and career opportunities, strategies to grow equity and
Starting point is 00:30:12 generational wealth, closing the gaps in health care, education, employment and pay, neighborhood safety and fairness within criminal justice. So there's no I think there's no dollar amounts yet assigned to these things, but they're going to have a committee together to begin looking at these things. And I'm not sure where this, you know, what the end game is, but at the very least, I think this is, to me, signaling that a certain municipality is willing to have a really, seemingly to have an honest discussion about how to correct these things. I don't know about that. I mean, I don't see anything in here about making Juneteenth a holiday. I don't see anything in here about the Black National Anthem being performed at store boarding events.
Starting point is 00:30:51 How can we even possibly think this is what the Black Lives Matter protesters want? Right. There's nothing about that Golden Girls episode. 30 rocks not mentioned once. This is restorative. Come on. I mean, I think this is... No, no, I really like this.
Starting point is 00:31:07 I like this. This is basically what people have been protesting about, which is the idea of like, okay, but what can we do to actually fix the systems that have been put in place over the last 150 years to keep it so that black people just have less in this country? So I think that that's a really good model that they put together. Yeah, I think that that's a really good model that they
Starting point is 00:31:25 put together. Yeah, I know that they're still waiting on the county to also back this resolution, which, you know, would be very helpful. And I know that there's going to be a vote on that from their board of supervisors or whatever that equivalent is for that county. So, you know, it's a process. And I think like anything, there were a lot of people who called in to support it. Most people did. And a few people came to do the usual, I didn't own slaves. So what is the problem? It's like, okay, you didn't own slaves, but you are benefiting from slavery still.
Starting point is 00:31:56 So let's still look at that part too. Because that's all this really is, I think, to your point, Hayes, is to begin at least these opening our eyes or having municipalities and local governments and legislators open their eyes to the actual things they can correct legislatively to begin equaling things out. And even this is more substantive than a lot of the things that I've seen thrown out there by corporations and local governments about what can be done moving forward. It's not symbolic in the way that a lot of those other things have been. Yeah. Right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:32 It'll be interesting to see just how this has followed through on, because like you said, there are some additional layers to get through, and also how the right attempts to kind of recontextualize this uh there there was a tweet yesterday from uh donald trump about how joe biden is trying to uh abolish suburbs uh which was uh i'm pretty sure just his way of talking about redlining, but because his definition of suburbs is a place where white supremacists can live amongst each other and feel protected. He's describing that as abolishing suburbs.
Starting point is 00:33:21 And I feel like that's going to, it's pretty transparently stupid and i i do feel like we'll eventually kind of that that will come out in the wash but well this is also the kind of you know any sort of restorative measure that uh takes an actual problem that the government has caused like something like this the red will just be like you see what's happening i mean this is why we don't have ppe for our nurses and why you know we're not able to pay our police it's because we do things like just throw money away at people who are just going to x y and z that that that that like i feel that's that'll probably be their laziest instant sort of reactionary talking point uh because that's always it's always a good way
Starting point is 00:34:05 to be like oh yeah that's the reason why um there is very little it's not because we're you know misappropriating all this this money and giving it away to people who don't need it what's interesting about that like abolishing the suburbs thing to me is that even though clearly on its face it's not it's nonsensical it doesn't make any sense but if you think about it for a second and you really think about the sort of like nimbyism, the not-in-my-backyardness that has suburbs refusing to allow low-cost housing in their areas so that they don't get minorities moving into it or not having multifamily units available. They know we're going to keep it to the one-family house out here because this this is the suburbs and that's what we've done and that's what we will do. If you look at changes to that system as, quote, abolishing the suburbs, it's sort of, if you squint and turn your head, a policy goal that a lot of people who support Joe Biden also support. But the way that
Starting point is 00:35:01 the president frames it is just so easily knocked down as a way of trying to rile up his base. It is so transparent that the suburban moms that he's trying to win over, I feel like very few of them are going to see that tweet or hear that that tweet went out there and suddenly think, oh my gosh, Donald Trump is the one who's going to protect us from the incoming hordes who are trying to destroy my township. I think that's his next play is to go for like what's left of like racist white mothers who are still in the voting base, because we were talking about this a couple of weeks ago with all like the rise of Karen imagery and like these incidences but you know i was bringing up the point like let's not forget the role white women and mothers especially have had in like uh maintaining white supremacy and segregating neighborhoods and schools and things like that like they had a very very pivotal role in all of that when the men were failing on capitol hill with things like getting the damn voting civil rights act passed what the heck happened up there guys then they can pivot to well how do we how do we have more teachers that can point out kids who might be trying to pass as white in this neighborhood can we have uh you know like have set up these pta boards to also you know communicate to other parents that uh school
Starting point is 00:36:19 choice is very important and how important it is to de-racialize a lot of this language to also say the same thing so this is the same in sense by saying abolish the suburbs what you're saying is black and brown folks are going to move into your neighborhood and you don't want that it's i think that's the only you know i think the one the one group that is maybe changing you know like i feel like the the male vote who was voting for him i don't know i'm pretty sure that is maybe more solid but with women it's been the biggest change so maybe this is why the ms13 stuff is also coming back out of his mouth as well to be like you never know because it's open borders now it's everything to you know to i think appeal to someone he's trying to make it a fear
Starting point is 00:36:59 election as opposed to a referendum on him you want the referendum to be will you feel safe under a Biden administration? And so he's just throwing everything out there that he thinks might stick since it worked in 2016. I mean, the fact that his American carnage speech in 2017 when he was inaugurated, the fact that he probably would still say the same thing now but thinks that it would be a good reelection bid
Starting point is 00:37:24 is really telling right i mean he kind of did at mount rushmore on july 4th like his speech was very reminiscent of the american the american carnage speech uh and it is three years into his administration uh yeah i i've heard people's kind of analysis of the election and his lagging poll numbers, although they are starting to stabilize and even move up, according to FiveThirtyEight. wide being like just the sheer enormous difference of being somebody who's going to come in and change everything and somebody who's been there for four years it like doesn't how how do you complain about the state of the country that you've been running by making it not your fault it's the deep state and or obama left you the lack of testing for coronavirus yeah um but it's like being drunk in a car you're driving a car and you're like what the heck is wrong with this thing man you're like yo you're
Starting point is 00:38:31 at the wheel the fuck are you talking about i oh oh this i'm telling you i don't know who built this we gotta this thing you gotta get a refund on this man i'm tell you what yeah um something else but the abolishing the suburbs thing i feel like is you know that that's still like pretty easy to sort through but i i think the place that the rubber will still hit the road is people complaining about like well my property value would go down or uh you know if if they brought in affordable housing into my neighborhood um and that's where people are going to have to really understand that your property value and the whole system that uh property ownership is is built on is you know based on white supremacy and an unfair system and you need to suck it up. Especially when
Starting point is 00:39:32 those property values that you're complaining about possibly going down were exactly what black people were forbidden from actually having access to and allowing for generational wealth to come into play. You didn't do it then so you're probably going to have to do it soon. Right, right. So that's just catching up to you. I mean, you waited, and you waited for it, and now the check is due. So sorry, my guys.
Starting point is 00:39:55 Yeah. The Trump administration's war on science continues. Specifically, Trump and some of his main cabinet people peter nabarro uh are doing everything they can to uh just try and debunk fauci now the cdc and i don't know it doesn't seem like it's working uh but i do know that when when they first started even quietly behind the scenes shit talking Fauci, he needed to suddenly get armed security at his house because of all the death threats that were coming in from the president's supporters. So I can only imagine what's happening now that he has to just just come out and be like guys can we just not knock this shit off he's it's so they're like now he's getting mad at an op-ed you know he authorized to be written so peter navarro who i guess his op-ed that was slamming fauci we're
Starting point is 00:40:59 supposed to believe him more because he's an economist and that's why we should value his the gist of the op it was like anthony fauci's been wrong about fucking every single thing i've talked to him about he said uh you know uh that the there was nothing to worry about that it's gonna be fine that we don't have to worry he was like it was all kinds of misleading shit a lot of things that he was saying like he really he i think he mentioned one of the moments where Fauci, I think went on Joe Scarborough's show and said, Hey, there's a chance that this could be low impact if we have testing that is robust and we have containment policies that are going to actually contain this.
Starting point is 00:41:39 If we can do those things, we have a chance of this not being a horrific shit show. But then he's just like, and that's what it is. And then we find out that the White House was putting him out to drive me like, oh, you know, actually, he went like rogue on that. So that's not what the president believes. Sure. Sure, Jan. Okay. What gets me about that
Starting point is 00:41:59 and the anonymous thing that the White House put out over the weekend, that list of times that Fauci has been wrong. Right. So many of those are from, like, when we had known about the existence of COVID-19 for, like, a month. Like, we did not know about asymptomatic transmissions in the end of January and how prevalent that actually was or wasn't.
Starting point is 00:42:21 When they first said, hey, guys, don't hoard masks, they meant the medicals grade surgical masks and the N95s. And honestly, people were thinking about it the wrong way then. People were like, oh, I need to protect myself. And now they're trying to say, oh, no, you need to protect others and wear a mask, protect others. I'm like, I don't think so. I don't buy it. You were wrong about masks before. Yeah, if you listen to just the word mask. Right. Also, that Jim Carrey movie is completely unhinged. So I'm just going to choose to ignore everything.
Starting point is 00:42:54 Except that one part where Ben Stein says, we all wear masks, metaphorically speaking. It's a throwaway line in the film, but that stuck with me. That's the one takeaway from that movie I do take. The the film but that stuck with me that's the one take away from that movie the Cuban Pete dance scene stuck with me so to each their own the king of the rumba beat this whole thing is like really it's just weird too because
Starting point is 00:43:17 this whole like tack or this whole strategy of going all in against the CDC I'm not sure that that's helping his numbers in terms of how the public this whole strategy of going all in against the CDC, I'm not sure that that's helping his numbers in terms of how the public is already very much aware that they trust Anthony Fauci over the president. So I'm not what, aside from just, you know, I guess this is purely just to satisfy Trump's very superficial impulses to
Starting point is 00:43:42 say like, no, like in his version with his surrogates and aides out there. But that's not that doesn't help because you're dealing with a problem that requires empathy, which you have none of. And the party has none of that's really been like this. We've always like suspect you're like, oh, well, you know, it's a lack of empathy. But now when you're really being like, yeah, man, get these kids into school, maybe they
Starting point is 00:44:04 could die. I don't know. Maybe these teachers could die. I don't know. Whatever. Get them in there because we got to get this economy going. Like what? Really? Really? Really? Yeah. Fauci had an interesting interview in the Atlantic. I believe it was yesterday at this point that just basically said like, I don't know what they're doing right now trying to attack me. Really it's making them look bad and dumb so i don't get it in i that's how i assume he was saying in his very faucian tone um but yeah it's just a bargain yeah yeah the faucian bargain is you wear a mask and you live yeah what's the catch you live
Starting point is 00:44:40 whoa it's trippy. Pretty good, though. But then the deep state wins. Pretty good deal. Yeah. I don't know, though, if it's worth giving my soul to the devil in 5G. So, yeah. I know where I'm going after this. Nice try, asshole.
Starting point is 00:44:57 Nice try, asshole. I'm going to heaven. That's the thing you always hear. There's so much heaven mixed up in the mask wearing, too, because all the QAnon conspiracy stuff that's tied into that. Wait, heaven? Yeah, there's a lot of heaven-hell dynamic. Because, you know, this is a good – it flows right – it rolls right off the tongue. It follows a nice – after you've had a bite of satanic panic from the 80s, you just follow it up a little QAnon, and it finishes just beautifully in your mouth and in
Starting point is 00:45:25 your brain um the thing with the cdc also is that on top of all this they're now directing hospitals to bypass the fucking cdc and send all of their information that they gather from like covid patients just to go you know just a central database in washington so let's just let's just go around them. We'll let HHS look at that a little bit. But we don't need the CDC because they're going to science it up again. And it's really dark because all this, based on everything I've seen from this administration,
Starting point is 00:45:56 the fact that the CDC, you know, a body, an organization that we can trust that they aren't going to completely pervert these numbers, we know if it's in the hands of the administration, can only imagine what kind of bullshit is going to happen with this. Right, because the CDC only has one political appointee, the director. Everyone else is a career scientist or civil servant. HHS, clearly not the case. So already we're starting to see that some of the data
Starting point is 00:46:24 that you would normally see coming out from the CDC has been delayed. I remember seeing that there was at least one state who said that because of new federal reporting requirements, the data that we normally put out right about now is going to be late. The CDC's tracker is currently behind. So it's going to be curious to see what the numbers look like in a week from now. And I am already looking forward to what I'm sure is going to be an amazing story that some outlet is going to write based off of FOIA documents from HHS that describe the discussion that got this new system put into place. Now, have they successfully done that? Like, have they successfully circumnavigated, like, gone around the CDC?
Starting point is 00:47:08 Oh, yeah, it's a done deal. It's a done deal. Like, the order is already out that hospitals now have to report it to HHS instead of the CDC. And don't get me wrong, the CDC has made mistakes. Their system for reporting is outdated.
Starting point is 00:47:20 They needed to, like, update how the system works, but this was not the proper solution not the department like retirement community for big pharma goon lobbyists be like yeah yeah yeah get them in there and they'll uh let them handle the the numbers in there jesus yeah yeah so the numbers are gonna suddenly start looking much better last time i checked even with all this bullshit this man is he's running for re-election not against the fucking cdc or anthony fauci and like except he is he is you know in his right because they're they're creating the reality they're the ones who are saying yes
Starting point is 00:47:56 they're the ones saying uh shit's bad right now and he wants people to say actually shit is getting better the shit is fine that shit you smell delightful roses you didn't step in shit oh yeah those those books are wrong your nose is all fucked up that's the thing you don't realize yeah isn't that a symptom of covet 19 no shh quiet no no no don't worry about it don't worry about it uh all right guys let's take another quick break and we'll be back with the Wayfair conspiracy I've been thinking about you I want you back in my life
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Starting point is 00:52:45 the fact that we're, that we're in a, we're about to talk about how people think, Wayfair, you got just what I need, is, is involved with
Starting point is 00:52:55 human trafficking, I can't stop, I don't know, like, I laugh because I'm so shocked and sad, because I really think it's the only thing I can do. Otherwise, I'm like, oh, man, so many brains are rotten and are thinking they got superpowers to connect these,
Starting point is 00:53:14 see the fucking matrix somehow out of nowhere because you're scrolling on fucking Chrome all day. Yeah. So basically, somebody noticed that there were some cabinets and dressers and various pieces of furniture that cost more than they should. They cost five figures. And they also noticed that some of those cabinets had girls' names, like Karen, Janet. And they searched the database and noticed that some of those are the names of missing children.
Starting point is 00:54:01 And boom, bang, bing, they drew the conclusion that this is how the deep state cabal is smuggling child slaves now, is inside of these cabinets, I guess. They've moved on from pizza parlors. They realize they've been found out and moved on. They're smarter. They've gotten even smarter than to do it at a ping pong pizza restaurant on from pizza parlors they realize they've been found out and moved on they're smarter they've gotten even smarter than to do it at a ping pong pizza restaurant uh that you know doing it there
Starting point is 00:54:31 in the in full public view no they're smarter now it's on wayfair and it's the kids names and you can just order it like a cabinet that's how they've done it really is sort of to the point of like not being able to say you're wrong. You arrive at that. You get this kind of momentum where you end up at a Wayfair page and go, oh, shit. Hold on. The Anya's shorty cabinet is ten thousand nine hundred eighty nine dollars. This is how they're doing it, because there's on your way here. You have not for once ever doubted or even took the second to question what you believe, whether that's based on anything tangible or real. So the furniture they were looking at is more expensive because
Starting point is 00:55:13 it is a commercial industrial. So they were looking at home prices, what a cabinet like that would cost in the home department department but they were actually in the commercial department where the uh cabinets are bigger essentially and they just ignored that fact they're for commercial use they're for it's like for a fucking not for your home but it just it just happens to also be on wayfair so but they just ignored that detail and that one detail could have cleared it up but instead details are for cowards right i want to point out right that's right for sheep for sheep keep drinking the kool-aid sheep wear your mask you're going to hell so because obviously human traffickers love
Starting point is 00:55:57 including clues and easter eggs that could lead to them being caught like Batman villains. Yeah. Right. So this started with like a, I think it's a interior design influencer and then another lifestyle influencer picked it up, but it's, we got to ban these influencers, man. But I,
Starting point is 00:56:19 I honestly, this is one of those stories where I look at it and I'm like, well, so what do like, is the Internet just bad? Do we just give up on the Internet? Like, how do we what do we do with this? It's such a mess. And that's such a big, broad question to consider because we have almost too much access to, again, going back to the beginning, uncontextualized information.
Starting point is 00:56:42 to, again, going back to the beginning, uncontextualized information. And without that context, the human brain fucking loves to find pictures in random noise. That's how we were able to look up at the stars in all of their millions and go, that's a bear with a giant-ass tail.
Starting point is 00:56:58 It's like, what? What? No, it's up there. You can see it. It's real. And so we want to be able to find like things that will make help us make sense of things but because there is so much more noise than our brains are used to it's becoming easier for people to pick out those random patterns and just run with them and without the context you need to be like oh that's for, that's for industrial grade cabinets. You're storing giant collections of tools for a huge-ass farm in one of these cabinets,
Starting point is 00:57:31 not your doll collection for your little girl. Then you find the patterns that are wrong, and you can't admit that those patterns are wrong. And that's fun, and it's exciting to think that you've just cracked the code that is secretly oh hell yeah like speaking of the matrix that you've secretly that you've cracked the code and be like gotten a unique insight into uh the secret that is going on behind the scenes of the entire world uh that is powerful that's a powerful drug and they don't want to give up on
Starting point is 00:58:08 it and so okay if this was you know two percent of the population that was just like off in a corner somewhere that that would be one thing but first of all the president is the president the actual president of these united states is trying to fan these flames because they're some of his most staunch supporters uh there's also a writer jm pointed out this newsweek article uh that the title was here are some of the celebrities who sell products on wayfair which you would only be interested in for one reason, as evidence that this conspiracy theory is true. This came out after all this or during the fervor?
Starting point is 00:58:54 During the fervor. To exploit... Yeah, yeah. Totally SEO. They see this theory lighting up in terms of traffic and they were just like... Or somebody on their staff is with it. You know what I mean? Because I see it everywhere.
Starting point is 00:59:09 I see all that. I see the stencils and shit on the street in LA. Like all the where we go when we go all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I see that on the street. It's around, which is very, it's funny because you don't notice it until you really look and go, what the,
Starting point is 00:59:24 oh, okay, that's what that is uh shout out to san fernando valley but this whole it's interesting like the it's like the same momentum articles i'm sorry i just had to like oh yeah like what these people are right and i'm reading through it and like they up top they talk about how all of this is you know bullshit and how in another article from newsweek it's all debunked but they still put together this article about well these are the celebrity here are the celebrities who sell through wayfaring yeah no one is looking up this information unless they want to know who to shame so i'm very confused by this don't bring lionel richie into this come on man who to shame or richie didn't do anything to shame? The worst case scenario,
Starting point is 01:00:07 cute. These are the people who showed up at the pizza parlor with automatic weapons. Wow. Trisha Yearwood bringing it all back. What a circuitous episode. Oh, you think Garth Brooks only puts breakfast in that bowl?
Starting point is 01:00:22 Come on, man. Wake up. it's fingertips it's all fingertips it ain't totally it's toe it's totalini okay that's you don't realize the it's like kind of the same energy though that was like in the early internet when like the matrix sequels are coming out like lost and like people trying to fucking find easter eggs before the writers do it's like that same energy that i feel like when i'm looking at it to your point of like the high you'd be like oh shit i know who the merovingian is actually supposed to be in matrix reloaded okay the merovingians were these christian kings that
Starting point is 01:00:55 were in front like dude that what i don't know i don't know where it was a reference but that's not like the basis for a conspiracy theory slash religion moving forward yeah and but that's the kind of energy you go around to be like i figured i don't know i read up on it and that's what this is so therefore this is what it means yeah and this that's also part of why i think that being right is overrated like sometimes i watch shows with like a long narrative arc and some sort of central mystery and i'll try and guess along with it that's part of the fun but when i'm wrong it's like not like oh well this was bullshit i I don't believe in the existence of this movie anymore. It's like, oh, okay, cool.
Starting point is 01:01:29 I see what they did there. I get how they got to that point and why I was wrong. That's actually much better. Unless it's lost, in which case I was like, no, I reject this. This is not right, and I turn my back on this now. Ooh, that's fair. I mean, with fiction, sometimes your ideas are better than the ones they end up going with for various reasons.
Starting point is 01:01:49 Thank you. Fiction, yes. Fiction can be fun. When it comes to interpretations of reality, like that's, yeah, it's just a bunch of... Another thing this reminds me of is the fact that the deadliest civil war in human history was a cult in China that thought that their leader was Jesus's brother and 20 million people died.
Starting point is 01:02:14 So, like, I don't know. in a pot like getting hotter and hotter until the water's boiling things where like if you had told me two years ago that q was as popular as it is and that the president was openly embracing it and that q ideology was like as murderous and like openly like we're ready to uh rise up if yeah act out real world violence if trump is like taken out of office like that would be cause for immediate and profuse alarm and instead it feels like it's just something that like feels like a a series of ingredients from uh the past 200 news cycles converging. And it's just like, man, but it's really like those are dangerous elements. Yeah. Meanwhile, it's MS-13 and open borders and you're not going to have windows because of
Starting point is 01:03:16 Joe Biden's green revolution plan. That is what is the emphasis of this administration. When we're also looking you know just comparing the language always of what the threats are it's always it's always people of color and it's always people who aren't you know cishet christian american people and we should say that i mean there's totally good reason to be paying attention for people to be have their antenna up about uh sex trafficking and human trafficking like that is a thing that we're finding out is just all over the place especially among the powerful with Jeffrey Epstein,
Starting point is 01:03:55 Jelaine Maxwell and... It's in the zeitgeist for sure and I think it's and it's been such a real world problem it's it's like any like with these conspiracies that's why it's it's been such a real world problem. It's like any, like with these conspiracies, that's why it's very easy for them to gain momentum because it has to start with some kind of focal point that is a real world issue. So whether that's like
Starting point is 01:04:14 your own financial disenfranchisement being the source of many, all kinds of conspiracies about who runs what in the banks or whatever, or something like this with sex trafficking, there's always this real world issue that give enough people to sort of rally
Starting point is 01:04:29 around and then sort of connect these dots. And yeah, it's, it's really, again, we were talking earlier about earlier in this week about the lengths that people can go when they're fully engrossed and caught up in these conspiracy theories. And it shows that it's very real to people, you know, on some level, like based on what they're reading, like they're arriving at a place where this is the reality that they're fighting against.
Starting point is 01:04:57 So, you know, on some level, you can see why, yes, the material was there in the conversation and culture for this to pick up as a trend. But then you get to see these bad faith things like this Newsweek article too, where it's like, hey, let's kind of just hop on this right now because that'll get us some clicks. Yeah, yeah, totally. And I mean, this just, if nothing else, it's worth talking about this because this just isn't how... We talked about the Jeffrey Epstein story a number of times, and the way it actually works is they're out in the open about it. They have a plane that everybody refers to as the Lolita Express.
Starting point is 01:05:37 They have Pedophile Island. And then when people come for them, they know make that go away with sheer access to power they're not dropping hints in furniture catalog e-commerce website right right all right guys let's talk about this uh this lead poisoning thesis i i had kind of heard about this in the background as one of the explanations for why crime started going down in the United States in the early 90s and has kind of been going down ever since. That was the year that the first generation after the Clean Air Act of 1970 hit adulthood and started to make adult decisions and hit the age that people generally start committing crimes. And the idea is that because the planet was so full of leaded gasoline fumes that up to the year 1970, humans were, and especially children were exposed to unprecedented levels of lead. And that's,
Starting point is 01:07:01 that's a fact that you can test by, you know, that they were testing at the time and it's just a fact that people during that time uh like from the 20 late 20s through 1970 were exposed as cars became so dominant and up to the point like up through the 60s was probably when it was at its worst because that was when the most cars were out there belching out this lead gasoline fumes. Before you go on, Jack, so lead is bad?
Starting point is 01:07:32 As it turns out. Yeah, so lead poisoning. So when you come into contact with consistent lead poisoning as a child, it affects, they found a lot of longitudinal studies that say that it affects a person's ability to regulate their emotions. They're more likely to display psychological traits that include impulsivity and egocentricity. And when were these people born, probably? Where were they born? When were peak, when were these people really getting off on the fumes?
Starting point is 01:08:08 The baby boom generation is kind of, so that's what I'm kind of connecting it to. That's a lot of the writing on this has just been focused on explaining there's this big demographic puzzle that a lot of different explanations have been proposed for uh for why crime went down starting in the 90s because everybody joe biden's crime bill
Starting point is 01:08:31 that's right well no but that joe biden's crime bill and like the clintons like all their like uh super predator shit was was a result of the fact that crime just started going up in like this unprecedented and unpredicted uh way in the 70s and 80s uh and then for no real reason that anybody has been able to identify starting in the 90s that started going down um and you know this is malcolm gladwell uh wrote about this being from broken windows policing and Rudy Giuliani, which turns out is bullshit. And there's a lot of different like explanations. The Freakonomics people wrote about it being the result of Roe v. Wade, but that doesn't hold for other countries. So it doesn't really make sense that that would be a cause. And so this writer, a bunch of writers, have pointed to lead poisoning being the thing, because once lead is taken out of the gasoline in a country about 20 years later, almost like clockwork, their crime starts going down.
Starting point is 01:09:47 work, their crime starts going down. So it's really interesting that there's, we'll link off to some articles that kind of explain it in more detail. But basically, there's this Mother Jones article that says it's basically unassailable that lead poisoning explained who committed crime and ended up at the cruel, you know, bottom part of our social strata. You know, taking that, if that is true, and we take as a constant that America is not a meritocracy, but more of a lottery based on where and to whom you're born. And, you know, I feel like it would be inevitable that the same would be true at the top of our society,
Starting point is 01:10:27 like the baby boomers who grew up and were exposed to all this lead and have damaged impulse control, who are still in positions of power, still running our country, that that would have an impact on them and just on our world in general, since they've been so greedily holding on to power for so long and so aggressive about it. I don't know. It just seems like it's not a thing that I found somebody else really making the case for. There was an article about how baby boomers as a generation were more sociopathic than other generations, and they mention as an aside the high lead content of their blood being one of the very unique things about their generation.
Starting point is 01:11:23 But it seems pretty, i don't know like i mean it it tracks when you think about one of the things that always surprises me when i really do look back is just how weirdly crime infested the country was at that point like it wasn't just scare tactics and it wasn't just movies where like oh you go to the city you're gonna get mugs like just a fact like oh that dude has like seven knives on him oh that woman just got mugged while i was watching as it turns out there was just a weird amount of crime serial killers so many of them during this time period so i should say that i got uh i started looking into this because i was uh listening to an episode of last podcast on the left, and they were talking about the fact that these three major serial killers, whose names I'm
Starting point is 01:12:12 not remembering, but they all came from the same neighborhood at around the same time, or the same town at around the same time. And it's like such an aberration like that that's not normal normal behavior uh and there was just an overall spike in serial killers in the 70s uh and be there being geographical hot spots of serial killers would suggest like literally something in the water so oh i don't know santa cruz i was reading santa cru. There was three serial killers active at the same time? Yeah, exactly. Wow. Yeah, so I don't know.
Starting point is 01:12:50 Hey, London, Ontario too. Canada, you got yours too. There's a whole thing of like few towns had multiple serial killers active at the same time. And when you look at- Keeping with each other, trying to get to the top of their charts, much like Arsenal v. Liverpool.
Starting point is 01:13:13 Except we're at the top of their charts much like arsenal v liverpool except we're the top of no chart and when you look at three uh of our last four presidents they were born within three months of each other uh george w bush bill clinton and donald trump were all born are all at the like slightly older edge of the uh baby boomer generation and you know they have very variously uh completely fucked up our our country in pretty aggressive ways um just feel like we go too hard on george bush you know like ever since ellen you know i think we were all supposed to realize uh you know that george bush you know like ever since ellen you know i think we were all supposed to realize uh you know that george bush he must also be involved in the wayfair conspiracy because i don't know if you saw the image the way they were talking to each other they were signaling to us what the real truth was what's in the cabinet named w yeah and presidents have what
Starting point is 01:14:02 cabinets qed wow gotta go gotta go for the cia shuts us down for the deep states gets us yeah so anyways just i mean this is also a very hopeful spin on things that like we are just being poisoned by this about to uh pass from this earth generation so this isn't any sort of like actionable uh ideas here other than don't inhale lead i just think it's an interesting and let's not forget though uh speaking going back to flint uh the number of lead pipes that are still in use in this country yeah is extremely high and it's something that can be solved it's going to take a lot of money and time but it can be solved it's not that much money it's going to take a lot of money
Starting point is 01:14:50 Miles is big on austerity regular Hayek over here one other detail of it is that people have been pointing to the year 2020 as a year to look for a drop in violence in the Middle East, because that's when like 2000 was basically their 1970 in terms of removing lead from gasoline. So that's one way. I mean, that's a convenient way to explain terrorism.
Starting point is 01:15:23 Right. Right. It's like, yeah, nothing to do with the United States foreign policy. It was the gas, I'm pretty sure. I mean, in a sense, it's always been about the oil and gas. Damn, we need an improv team here between Patricia Yearwood and the oil and gas. Yeah, all of this can be seen as a very convenient sort of, well, that was the answer. And now we don't have to worry about anything.
Starting point is 01:15:50 And that's definitely, definitely not what we're saying. I remember always as a kid, though, too, seeing unleaded gas. Right? I mean, well, why would you light gas? Or just when I saw it, I'm like, well, where do you get leaded gas? I'm like, why do you get unleaded? I remember always asking my mom, because she would say unleaded because it was still the 80s and i could there i'm sure there was people had habits of like saying that or whatever or that
Starting point is 01:16:14 was like a way to describe gas but i was like it always bugged my mind i was like shouldn't we get the good shit like you don't want on anything. Make the cars and the brains go fast. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. The, the guy who helped develop leaded gasoline, Thomas Midgley jr. Did,
Starting point is 01:16:30 uh, at a, at a press conference poured leaded gasoline into a bowl, like poured it over his hands, put it under his nose, huffed it. Uh, and to prove his point,
Starting point is 01:16:41 new, the state of New Jersey was still like, we're, you know, fuck all that. Uh, but, Oh my God. I'm, he had to take a leave of absence from work after being diagnosed of his point new the state of new jersey was still like we're you know fuck all that uh but oh my god i'm he had to take a leave of absence from work after being diagnosed with lead poisoning he also apparently i'm just looking this up he apparently also helped invent cfc's like freon which ate a whole ozone layer so this dude shout out to you right and then in 1940 at the age of 51 and then there's more
Starting point is 01:17:10 in 1940 at the age of 51 just like talking about his two of his inventions like might have destroyed the world and killed a bunch of people well in 1940 at the age of 51 midgley contracted polio which left him severely disabled he devised an elaborate system of ropes and pulleys to lift himself out of bed in 1944 he became entangled in the device and died of strangulation that's how he went entangled with august alcina wow entanglement it was truly entanglement wow this dude could not stop he could not stop inventing things that would kill people like it was just like he's like ah damn it not again yeah darwin his deal with the devil was i want to be a famous inventor yeah exactly your wish has been granted
Starting point is 01:18:01 oh my god uh hey is this has been so fun. Like that Garth Brooks sketch. No, I'm saying, go back in that Garth Brooks doing the deal with the devil sketch with Will Ferrell. One of my favorite Ferrell sketches. He got the worst fucking song.
Starting point is 01:18:16 Sargas, Fargas, I just been bit by the love bug. And it's driving me mad. God damn. This shit is so stupid. Son of a bitch. The car is out of tune. Fred Sox is a hit. And it's driving me mad. God damn. Son of a bitch. Fred Sox is a hit.
Starting point is 01:18:30 Fred Sox. Fred Slacks, I think. Slacks, yes. Thank you so much. I sit corrected. Those songs just pop into my head all the time. And there's nothing to be done about it. Hayes, this was so fun, man. Where can people find you, follow you, hear you?
Starting point is 01:18:47 So you can find me on Twitter at Hayes Brown. Very easy to find, almost too easy. You can listen to News O'Clock on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, the iHeartRadio app, wherever you go for your sound stories. And is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying? I saw one just the other day that really summed up my feelings about how this election cycle is going right now. It's from at Pope Hat. I've decided it's safer to watch Trump press conferences through the reactions of Twitter people, like looking at an eclipse with a pinhole camera.
Starting point is 01:19:22 of Twitter people like looking at an eclipse with a pinhole camera. And I could not agree more. That's so good. Something that he does not possess the wherewithal to do. Yeah, he looks straight up. The levels of irony are several. Miles, where can people find you and what's a tweet you've been enjoying?
Starting point is 01:19:36 A couple of, okay, so Twitter, Instagram, PlayStation Network, Miles of Grey. Also, my other podcast, 420 Day Fiance. You know, let's get high talk about 90 day fiance just let's blow some steam off let's watch some trash but like really really analyze it thoroughly with sophia alexandra um some tweets that i like first two are from reductress first one it's a photo of like a guy in a ski mask and it says right wing burglar conflicted about mask uh that feels fair another one is a woman like outside of the magic kingdom
Starting point is 01:20:06 like like so excited like ah and it says this woman died at disney world from having too much fun and also covet 19 uh and the last one is from uh aod debris uh so this one's great she says her tweet is time machine and i'm supposed to kill baby who? Nah, I'm taking that right back to 1984 and telling my parents to immigrate to New Zealand. I'm sorry. That's my ministry now. Oh, man. Some tweets I've been enjoying.
Starting point is 01:20:46 The Z-Tron tweeted this screen cap of somebody on a message board saying, tipping on rent when paying rent, what is customary to tip the landlord leasing company? I found 15% of my rent is a number I'm comfortable with and have gone as high as 25% during holiday seasons. And they just wrote to the landlord, write this, which like that's the only possible. It's the only possible.
Starting point is 01:21:08 I've never heard of that once. I think we should go with the Burns plan. Yeah. Somebody retweeted that video of a bear using nunchucks that you mentioned the other day, Miles, and Nate Cheersinit, at Cheersinit on Twitter tweeted, I'm a zoologist. I know this behavior looks cute,
Starting point is 01:21:32 but bears only train like this when their sensei has been slayed by a rival dojo. That's just science. That's just science. I was so ready for that to be one of those bummer tweets, and they're like, but this is a really bad sign that the bear is overheated. I was so ready for that to be one of those bummer tweets. And they're like, but this is a really bad sign that the bear is overheated. Right, right, right.
Starting point is 01:21:57 You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as the song we ride out on. Miles, what are we going to ride out on today?
Starting point is 01:22:20 Let's go take it back to some Stereolab. This is Stereolab with a track called Diagonals. I think they're a great band. Another band, like most bands I've come into contact with, is a function of some producer. I like sampling them. But this track is really cool because there's this sort of rising pitch shifter on the drums in the very beginning and you think something's wrong with your inner ear equilibrium. It's not that, it's just how it's mixed and then it starts getting into it. So just enjoy this. This is Diagonals by Stereolab. your inner ear equilibrium. It's not that. It's just how it's mixed, and then it starts getting into it.
Starting point is 01:22:45 So just enjoy this. This is Diagonals by Stereo Lab. Great band, great type of line, Diagonals. Always a big fan of those. Hit the diagonal! Well, The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
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