The Daily Zeitgeist - The Christian Black Panther? Cambridge Analytica = OMG BAD 3.19.18

Episode Date: March 20, 2018

In episode 107, Jack & Miles are joined by comedian Edgar Momplaisir to discuss the string of Austin bombings, Cambridge Analytica & their Facebook controversy, Trump possibly firing Robert Mu...eller, a box office check in with Black Panther, & more. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:34 Listen to Spiraled on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. There's so much beauty in Mexican culture, like mariachis, delicious cuisine, and even Lucha Libre. Join us for the new podcast, Lucha Libre Behind the Mask, a 12-episode podcast in both English and Spanish about the history and cultural richness of Lucha Libre. And I'm your host, Santos Escobar, emperor of Lucha Libre and a WWE superstar. Listen to Lucha Lib libre behind the mask on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you stream podcasts hello the internet and welcome to season 23 episode one of daily zeitgeist oh yeah for march 19th 2018 my name is jack o'brien
Starting point is 00:02:19 aka eight six seven five three o'b Brian. That is courtesy of Stuart Thomas. And I am thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. I pulled up to the house about 7 or 8 and Miles yelled to the cab, Yo, home, smell you greater. Thank you to, what, AKA Goddess Chapman Rice, again, coming through with that AKA. So thank you, Ma. She is prolific. And we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat uh by one of the funniest comedians and you know just
Starting point is 00:02:51 generally uh daily zeitgeist guests out there mr edgar mom placer oingo boingo yeah shawty jamie loftus i'm catching up yeah right you might you might overtake her soon. I'm trying to. We have this. We go back and forth on the DMs talking trash to each other about who's the better daily podcast. I guess Instagram DMs now. Yes. That is correct. She has been banned from Twitter.
Starting point is 00:03:16 Yeah. I think she might come back. She'll be back. It seems like she was only waiting for the IOC to not complain, to renew their complaint. And that might have happened but again watch this space agar what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are all right here we go here it is what have i been searching oh rick and morty season four is it happening i don't know if you guys have heard but adult swim has yet to order a fourth
Starting point is 00:03:43 season from them wouldn't that be like their top rated show is it not i don't understand what's happening i don't understand what's happening but someone tweeted at dan harman and said hey you lazy piece of shit stop being an alcoholic and write the next season of rick and morty and he was like uh there's no season the season has not been ordered yeah so the chef can't get cooking exactly unless you put the order in okay edgar what is something that you think is underrated i think march madness is underrated guys underrated he just came in and said the brackets were bullshit i'm hurt by them i didn't say bullshit as in the tournament itself the tournament itself okay beautiful that's true i was hanging out in a public house on saturday night and to watch an entire bar lose their shit when Jordan Poole hit that shot.
Starting point is 00:04:28 That was so fun, man. That's beautiful. You can't get that in any other sport. I was having dinner with friends. And one of our friends, he went to Michigan. And he was like, oh, can we turn the game on? They're down by one or two or something. And I was like, all right, we turn it on.
Starting point is 00:04:43 And by the time everything loads up, it's the replay of the shot. Oh, my gosh. We literally turn it maybe five seconds after. And they're like, it's unbelievable. And we're like, oh, so is this the – like, this happened? And then we had like a latent reaction to it. It was so cool. It was so –
Starting point is 00:04:58 Did you watch the whole game? I watched the second half. That was one of the better games I've ever seen. It was just like back and forth, like trading buckets the whole time. It was such a good game. I'm really happy that that kid who had James Gray's exact haircut was shamed. Because that kid was talking shit with his face. And I was ashamed that he had my last name.
Starting point is 00:05:17 But, yeah, that was a weird little man bun. It was weird. And I said this as I was watching the game. I was like, a man bun looks really odd on a child. That hairstyle, because you feel like that's a grizzled adult look. Is that his brother or something like that? Yeah, it is. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:05:32 It's Rob Gray's brother, right? His name's Rob Gray. Is it Rob or James? I don't know. I think it's Rob Gray. He is not a Game of Thrones character, even though it sounds like it should be. It really does sound like a Game of Thrones character. He's a 6'1 character who, because he's playing basketball against taller people, looks like he's 5'6 out there.
Starting point is 00:05:50 But he just fills it up. Yeah, the kid. It looks terrible. But he has a man bun, and then his little brother had a man bun and was like... See, this is... I blame CBS. That is cool, though. That is cool to have your brother look like you.
Starting point is 00:06:03 And the commentators kept going to him. Yeah, they did. They showed that every single time his brother scored, and his brother scored a lot. He had the most points through two rounds of any player other than Steph Curry. So he was balling. He was a point away from Steph Curry, right? I think he was more than a point. I think Steph Curry was in the 70s, and he was at 61.
Starting point is 00:06:23 But yeah, it was just a really good game. I don't know. I don't know how I feel about CBS constantly showing the families of the players and the families of the coaches because it's like none of those people are – it's just like purely unguarded moments where they're like – And then they end up getting targeted. I don't know if you saw what happened to the Duke mom against the team that they were playing, but the kids started taunting her and attacking her and yelling at her. And I'm pretty sure they were able to identify Wendell Carter's mom because CBS kept cutting to them. Wow. And if I could pick like the ten moments I would not want to be nationally televised from my life up to this point, I'd say nine of them are from games that
Starting point is 00:07:05 my dad's a basketball coach and from games that he was coaching. Like I, I get very fired up during those games. And then like 10 seconds later, I'm like, damn, I really overreacted to that call. I would love, love, love to see a shot of you just spilling nachos on yourself after JJ Redick hit a three. I threw a soda at somebody when I was like 12. Oh, wow. Yeah. Jack O'Brien.
Starting point is 00:07:30 Yeah. I mean, he was like a 50-year-old big. That doesn't make it okay, Jack. Dude. Was he taunting you or something? Yeah, he was just like an annoying. I think he was a Mississippi State fan. This was when my dad was an assistant for the University of Kentucky during the SEC tournament.
Starting point is 00:07:47 Shout out to you, big, fat, 50-year-old white dude with a cowboy hat. He's dead now. Who I threw a soda at. He's definitely dead. Anyways. You killed him that day. But March Madness is wonderful. I suggest people who are thinking about having kids line it up so you are having your child
Starting point is 00:08:03 right before March Madness because I just sit on the couch all day burping my son and there's like yeah you it's like one of the those types of entertainment that uh you know the whole family can have on in the background even a newborn child even that's enjoyable that sounds that sounds like a very bad way to be a father so you got in a lot of contact hours with your child a lot of a lot of skin to skin a lot of skin to skin. Strap the child on, watch the games. He's starting to look like a human being, you guys. Oh, no longer?
Starting point is 00:08:30 Is he opening his eyes more? He's opening his eyes. People keep saying he looks like me. I don't think he looks like me at all. You're like, I think he looks like a baby. You're saying I look like a baby? I mean... Exactly. That's offensive.
Starting point is 00:08:40 Yeah, I'm just a nightmare at home, you guys. I'm a fucking baby. I'm a fucking man. Exactly. Edgar, what's something you think is overrated? I'm 33 GSO. That video's so good. I'm 37 GSO.
Starting point is 00:08:56 I'm a fucking baby. I'm a fucking man. That video's the best video I've ever seen. Do people know that? Oh, Pio La Ditingancia on Instagram? No, he's that African dude. Have you seen that African dude who goes on Nigeria's Got Talent? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:13 I'm 37 years old. Yeah, just look up I Know Fucking Baby and that'll come up. It shouldn't be funny because it's a marrow thing. Yeah, they suffer from dwarfism and it's not funny, but it's also very funny. Well, what's weird is that guy, he leans into it so much. Like I follow him on all his social media because I just love his whole style and his the way he spells Connecticut and Snapchat is Canuck cricket. But he doesn't give a fuck.
Starting point is 00:09:38 Anyway, this guy, Jonathan, he's from the Dominican. But yeah, like on his Instagram, he's always like doing collabs with other quote-unquote instagram comedians and they're just like you know putting him in diapers and he's like doing i'm like oh come on there's like everybody respect for yourself but again i'm like you know he realizes it's got him like a million followers right like then some social media people just be like that's my thing and get your money how you get your money problematic yeah does he have body hair like in the the diaper? No, no. So he still does. Jack, was that your first question?
Starting point is 00:10:08 I'm just curious. How accurate? I'm curious about his condition. Is he smooth? Because it's not just that he is a little person. He looks like a child. He looks like a child. He looks like a five-year-old.
Starting point is 00:10:18 He looks like a child. Oh, yeah. It's like Emmanuel Lewis, the same sort of thing. But, you know, he has no facial hair. But, like, yo, it's funny because in those videos, he's drinking a beer in the car and like he's always he brings a hookah with him smoking yeah constantly smoking yeah I was just thinking that that would be weird if he was wearing a diaper and like he just had the torso of like a 40 year old man like just like
Starting point is 00:10:38 total dad have you seen that little kid trap rapper from Atlanta that's been like popping all over the internet last week I can't remember his name it's like lil something but no really he's like it's a little something he's a child and it's a video of him drinking a 40 while driving a car down the highway i don't know why that shit is so funny to me it shouldn't be funny because it's so illegal that is very legal on so many different levels it's the idea of a kid who could give less of a fuck about anything right and he raps about like skipping school to sell to sling drugs it's funny as fuck wow it shouldn't be funny but it is yeah there's something that is overrated wow okay so why don't you take over the show what is something that's overrated season three of love oh okay okay listen all right i have i've tried you know all those people
Starting point is 00:11:19 were tweeting at me like ed gradger finish it off. And I've tried. I think, and this is no shade towards Judd Apatow, but man, does that nigga go out of his way to make his shows white. Like, he goes out of his scope. There are, like, some easy characters that could just be black people. Like, I think Matt Besser is very funny. But if you're going to have a tour bus guy with an attitude, that's a black woman role. Easy. Right, right, right. Easy.
Starting point is 00:11:43 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't going to give it to Matt Besser, who I do think is very, very funny. What are the original four? It's just like, man, that show just tries its hardest to be white. Yeah, I mean, that was one of the reasons. The first season, I was like, oh, this is cool. I like this take on what romance is to this generation. But then, yeah, when season two happened, I was like, oh.
Starting point is 00:12:03 I don't know. It was one of those shows that aside from the first scene just to know what it was about it didn't keep me like hooked that i was like oh i need to see season two or i need to see season three i was like yeah i get it one of the only black characters serves food to everybody on set jesus christ you mean like off camera yeah the dude who does crafty but i don't. Maybe I'm being too hard on the show. No, I mean, I think people like it. Even aside from that, I think just from the narrative of it,
Starting point is 00:12:30 it just didn't really have me hooked past that first season. Although there are a lot of good other characters. Yeah, it's funny. I just watched my first episode of Love earlier this week. How was it watching it being married? It's not that... Out of that dating sphere week how was it watching it being married uh it's not that dating sphere i was just yeah i guess there's like really very low stakes because i'm just like yeah that that looks like it sucks but uh but yeah my only impression of it was that uh the main
Starting point is 00:12:58 storyline like the main characters were pretty hard to watch they're very unlikable but then the side characters are awesome. It seems like it's a good opportunity for them to show talent from UCB, essentially. Right. Claudio Adorti. Claudio's funny. And she has a coked-up boyfriend
Starting point is 00:13:18 who's pretty funny in it. A lot of the scenes when people got together, I was like, oh, look at all these people from UCB. There's a lot of UCB. Kirby comes through. Yeah, it's great when people got together, I was like, oh, look at all these people from UCB. There's a lot of UCB. Kirby comes through. Yeah, it's great when someone's working when you can be like, yo, everybody getting a check off this show. Right. That is true.
Starting point is 00:13:33 Shout out to Paul Rust. Right. He did hook up his friend. Again, I get it. You can put in your friends, but I don't know. Maybe it says something that when a UCB person gets a show and they put up all their friends, all their friends are white. Right. I just got an email.
Starting point is 00:13:46 I'm getting cut from Hair White. Welcome to Truth Talk. Would you say that's an inaccurate representation of the culture that it is depicting? Because it's like about hipster white people in East Los Angeles. It's not inaccurate. I just wish that there was like insecure is dope. But like, I mean, I'm not from there. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:14:07 I'm not from that side of town. I do think that at times we associate Silver Lake or Echo Park with white people. But there's a people of color crew out here that stand strong. You know what I mean? Right. And you stand in lines for a shortstop, too. You know what I'm saying? Right.
Starting point is 00:14:23 For your overpriced drinks yeah yeah but also too i think when you look at those areas too they're i mean they're mostly hispanic they are i mean those people aren't in the show like yo if you grew up there you have the neighbor who is like i used to have this neighbor silver like who had so many like mountain dew refrigerators like you know promotional refrigerator cases right that he would disassemble and was like making one massive refrigerator he always kept telling me yeah but you know like promotional refrigerator cases that he would disassemble and was like making one massive refrigerator. He always kept telling me. But, you know, like there are quirky people. If you live in there, like there are also many people who like are of those neighborhoods
Starting point is 00:14:51 because those are gentrified as fuck. There's a house on Virgil and Fountain that clearly stole the McDonald's sign from the McDonald's on Fountain and Sunset, which is right next to it. What do you mean clearly stole it? Like it has a gigantic McDonald's M attached to the house. And I'm like, you guys clearly got this
Starting point is 00:15:09 from the McDonald's a block away. Yeah, yeah. They're like, oh, the McDonald's that's missing their M? Nah, nah, that's not that one. That's not that one.
Starting point is 00:15:17 Like, you know, so it would be refreshing. Like, I love You're the Worst. I'm liking love, but it would be refreshing to see a show about these neighborhoods that reflected the people that live there. Yeah're getting there yeah there's so many talented
Starting point is 00:15:29 people of color so maybe i'll just say judd apatow is overrated as a producer there you go there you go yeah um and then finally what is a myth what's something people believe to be true that you know to be false based on personal experience absolutely uh this one is i mean it's not shade at but on the culture kings you'll hear it take about a certain island from someone who uh you know isn't familiar with that island very much and it's the idea that haiti is his broke-ass nation i i challenge anyone is that donald trump that's it you had the president on culture i have compared this person to DT before. It didn't go so well.
Starting point is 00:16:07 We'll call him CT. From the real world. Yeah, from the real world. Real world, real challenge, CT from Boston. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, yeah. But that Haiti's this broke-ass nation. Go to Haiti and some of the most beautiful fucking places in the world are there.
Starting point is 00:16:21 The mountains there are very beautiful. The beaches there are very beautiful. Very good water. Very good good food very good culture uh and i just like you know i think that the media only talks about black nations when bad things are happening right and i think that people who walk away with these takes are at the fault of the media and if the media could do a better job of representing these places like you know like the idea that people have that africa's just like a wasteland of child soldiers which is is like what Winston Pawboy is like fucking dope and has way better urban spots than a lot of places where these niggas live. And so the myth that black nations are like, you know, the struggle, the struggle pods.
Starting point is 00:16:59 I'm kind of over it. Yeah. Well, I mean, sure. Yeah. There is a certain level of financial economic instability in these places, but that doesn't tinge the day-to-day life experience of these people. Yeah. Go to Jock Mellon.
Starting point is 00:17:10 It's more beautiful than any place you've ever been to in your life. This is facts. Okay. That's Haiti. Yeah. That's in Haiti. That's where my father is from in Haiti. It was a small town or was it?
Starting point is 00:17:18 It's a small town. Nice. Uh, he's just a small town boy living in a lonely world. Uh, that was beautiful, man. Thank you. Uh, uh, well, there's boy living in a lonely world. That was beautiful, man. Thank you. Took the midnight train going anywhere. Well, there's no trains in Haiti. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:31 Took the midnight van. That's not the future. Midnight train show. I didn't say anything about trains. I said it's beautiful. All right. Let's get into the stories of the day. We want to start out with one that's kind of becoming bigger and bigger.
Starting point is 00:17:47 There was a serial bomber, like old timey Batman style, a serial bomber, like terrorizing the town of Austin, you know, and specifically the first three victims were people of color. three victims were people of color and two of the bombs seemed specifically targeted at the people who were killed by them. And then one of them was just somebody who I think found it and was carrying it somewhere else, the older woman. But so all three of the first three victims were people of color. And then yesterday, two 20-something white guys were injured but not killed by a tripwire-induced bomb that blew up in southwest Austin, which I don't know much about Austin. What? Two white dudes got killed by this bomb? Right. We got to start talking about it. Yeah, that's true, actually.
Starting point is 00:18:41 They didn't get killed. They didn't get killed. Oh, they didn't get killed? I'll wait. They just got injured. i'll save my outrage yeah it's jack brought up sort of like how when the first guy was killed the coverage was very weird from fox yeah so i i was googling around about this last week because we thought it was crazy that three people had been blown up by a serial bomber like the unabomber people probably don't remember this but uh when i was a kid unabomber was i mean the hottest shit no it was uh the
Starting point is 00:19:12 unabomber was like scary as fuck yeah it was and so and also he would like send out a bomb like every like couple months maybe and like this dude was like uh whoever is doing this in austin sent out three bombs within the space of like a couple weeks and had already like killed two people but so i was googling around about it yesterday and or uh last week and fox news covered the first victim of the austin serial bomber in a way that was basically like he probably did it himself look at this guy and they had like a mugshot picture of him where he looks like kind of crazy. Jesus. And yeah, the title of the article is Texas man killed by quote device at home identified as police probe if he constructed it.
Starting point is 00:19:56 That's how they covered that story. Right. And then, you know. Yeah. It seems like now that it's like four bombs, the cops are now doing the, okay, clearly you want something. Right. And then, you know. Yeah. It seems like now that it's like four bombs, the cops are now doing the, okay, clearly you want something. Right. What is it? So holler at us.
Starting point is 00:20:10 Having like conversations that are like coded. There was like one where yesterday they were like, clearly, you know, people who can like help with this or they were referring to the reward in a weird way and they were like he'll know what we're talking about and it was just like one of those weird sort of cryptic conversations where the police and the bomber believe they're in like locked in this secret conversation or something right uh just a all-around fucking crazy story and this is all happening while south by southwest is happening down there in austin right and people like the shows got canceled too because of it right uh yeah a roots show i'm surprised more shows didn't get canceled but uh yeah the roots canceled that because they're like oh there'll be a lot of black people there so well no somebody called
Starting point is 00:20:57 specifically a uh bomb threat in and they caught the person who caught who called the bomb threat in but they're just fucking around yeah basically, basically. It was Jimmy Fallon. They were just like, oh, this person has – this person does not have the expertise to build these bombs. So that's the crazy thing is that they're saying – at first they were like, hey, you know, serial bomber, you should really be careful because these things you're messing around with are pretty like volatile and unstable and you're probably going to kill yourself if you keep trying to make bombs like this and then the tripwire bomb uh they were like oh shit this this guy knows what he's doing yeah an expert so then i mean i don't know maybe my father watched too much ncis around me as a child but if this dude has the knowledge to make these kinds of bombs isn't this when we start going like, all right.
Starting point is 00:21:46 Let's whittle it down. Let's whittle it down. People with explosive experience. Yeah. I mean, yeah. From watching the movie Speed would also lead you to believe that obviously the sophistication of the bomb must have been someone from the bomb squad. Maybe a disgruntled person who had retired from the force since then. But we don't know.
Starting point is 00:22:01 It's weird. But I think what's interesting is the whole like, you clearly have a message what is it because that's really how the unabomber came undone is that he had like this crazy what 35 000 word like anti-technology screed he wrote you call it crazy i call it uh yeah i mean looking at what yeah but yeah like he was to the new york times and the washington post and he was like yo I will stop if you just post this. And FBI was like, yo, please just do whatever the fuck he wants. And then that's what led to I think his brother or his sister-in-law being like, oh, that sounds a lot like Ted. That sounds a lot like Ted.
Starting point is 00:22:38 That sounds a lot like Thanksgiving dinner at my house like 12 years ago. That motherfucker is insufferable. So I mean this could be i mean i again it seems like a weird tact or they're like hey call us up because if you're like the logic of like someone who's a criminal be like why the fuck would i call you guys and it's also i mean i don't know i don't want to use the word phenomenal but like how is he pulling this off or she you know i don't want to say that terrorists can only be men but history has shown us mostly men perpetrate hey listen you know i'm not gonna sit here and say a woman can't
Starting point is 00:23:12 make a good bomb yeah setting off bang bangs in america is you know i'm saying the time honor tradition of the white man i'm with her and um i just think that how are they pulling this off in social media time like how are they not – I don't know. I just feel like technology – I can't buy shit without my phone telling me. This dude must have so many bomb ads on his Instagram right now. Exactly. His Instagram must be nothing but fertilizer ads. Must be very careful.
Starting point is 00:23:40 But yeah, I mean to build a bomb that is set off by a tripwire in public, like, how does nobody see you and, like, take a picture of you? Hey, but Austin's a weird place. Maybe they're like, oh, it's a performance art thing. This guy's keeping Austin weird. But yeah, I mean, the thing – and, like, all the other bombs were devices that were left on people's porches. So, like, I mean, the person presumably left it there. Yeah, I'm sure now, because, well, I think like 500 people are on the case. Like, they'll eventually, they may be able to, you know,
Starting point is 00:24:12 put together some kind of surveillance footage because I feel like more and more people, even like people at their own homes, they have like those ring cameras and stuff in front of their door that maybe they can get something together, but who knows. Yeah. All right, we're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back.
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Starting point is 00:28:46 I mean, a name like that, they've got to be smart and trustworthy. Am I right? I know that company. They came up with the low energy Twitter brand for me. Oh, did they? You consult with them? They came up with that idea and they said, hey, start saying Oingo Boingo on everybody. Oingo Boingo, low energy mob, low energy gang.
Starting point is 00:29:04 They're going to love that. So, and really, I i mean this is a small price to pay for a free platform where you can pretend like photos of former co-workers food and your family friends ugly children are are uh enjoyable and pretend to like them wow who are you talking about uh no no call our names but uh apparently so you know those quizzes that people were taking like three years ago where it was like find out which member of sex in the city you are or uh apparently there were some that you could get paid a small amount to take uh those were actually being collected by uh various. Usually they claimed that they were for academic purposes. And as the name Cambridge Analytica would suggest.
Starting point is 00:29:50 Oh, Cambridge, of course. Cambridge, where colleges are. Yeah. But apparently they sold this to a marketing firm that then used it to, you know, help the Trump campaign sort of target people. They bought over 50 million raw profiles of people and they had specifically targeted the questions as a way to like find out very specific things like were they passionate people? Were they easy to convince about things? Were they religious?
Starting point is 00:30:26 Like these very specific sort of fulcrums that people's personalities turn on that tell these experts like how easy they're going to be to manipulate with certain appeals. Right, because they're like, oh, this person is a fan of the occult based on these things or like they're an introverted religious person or extroverted liberal or whatever. Right. Because it's weird too. Like those psychographics they put together. Yeah. You could find out like how religious you were, agreeable, neurotic, spiritual, depressed, and like also can tell like if you had sensationalist interest or if you were fair-minded and things like this so yeah it makes sense that then at that point you can tailor like a media plan to like get this person to like either begin going down a click hole of like all these different articles and things like that or you know sort of
Starting point is 00:31:15 paint their reality in a different way basically i don't know call me crazy but how kind of them make that kind of effort you know i'm saying like i don't know thank you for showing so much interest no one really thinks about me this way so the fact that someone's out there like being to make that kind of effort. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know. Thank you for showing so much interest in me. No one really thinks about me this way. So the fact that someone's out there being like, what is Edgar like? Right. Well, that's really considerate, guys.
Starting point is 00:31:32 I'm like, well, I'm like a religious, self-conscious extrovert. Now I can go to my therapist with that. I will. I'm guessing a lot of what they learned from those 50 million raw profiles are like, okay, so these are the 5 million who we want to focus on. Like, it's not like you get 50 million and you're like, okay, this is how we convert all 50 million into Trump supporters.
Starting point is 00:31:56 It's just, you are able to convert a very small number of them into like hyper partisan Trump supporters. On NPR this morning, they were reporting this and saying, and I mean, these sorts of tools have not been shown to be effective. So like, I think this is overrated or at most, this is like a good marketing tool for Cambridge Analytica to seem like one of the talking heads on NPR on their Up First podcast. I think it's misguided. There's a reason that advertisers used to pay so much money just to get what your address was and whether you preferred this type of coffee or that type of coffee. Right, 1,000%. like this type of coffee or that type of coffee. They would pay so much money. And there's just
Starting point is 00:32:45 so much data that is worth so much money to people available on social media that I think this is, first of all, I think it was probably more influential than a lot of people want to believe during the election. And I also think it's still being used to this day. I mean, when you look at like the ways that people are, you know, going in completely opposite directions and living in completely different realities, and you combine the access to information that these companies have with the fact that we only want information that, you know, contributes to our existing viewpoint. And I mean, we found out last week that the alt-right is specifically targeting people who suffer from depression,
Starting point is 00:33:30 which makes tons of sense. But you have all of the ingredients that you need. You have the access to the information and you have the people who are willing to use that information and be cynical about that information to manipulate people. And I don't think it's a small thing. Well, it's just really crazy to think of sort of like the way it worked.
Starting point is 00:33:53 Like since Cambridge University wouldn't work with Cambridge Analytica to use like the cover of academic research to get this information, then they just found like that, this hack, this Dr. Kogan guy who worked at Cambridge, who is also like an associate professor at the university of St. Petersburg, who has like really interesting ties to Russia. He was like, Oh, they just made me a, an associate professor when I was on a vacation.
Starting point is 00:34:16 Right. I don't know how many times you have gotten a job while you were on vacation. Yeah. If so, please tell me what your travel tips are. But anyway, like that, that guy was then the mastermind to create the sort of like My Digital Life app and things like that that used the sort of Facebook loophole of saying, yeah, we'll give you access to all these people's things if you promise it's for academic use.
Starting point is 00:34:38 And then they used 270,000 people who signed up wittingly to get 50 million people's information. Jesus. And it's like you're saying, Jack, just with... It's not just things that live directly on Facebook. If you take a BuzzFeed quiz that even has a Facebook bug on the thing, they're already going to know that you went there.
Starting point is 00:34:57 They have so much other... And you can link your Facebook too, which I link my Facebook to everything. I don't use Facebook. Not even because I was even paranoid of it. It was just, it wasn't the way I was interested in seeing information. So I just really stopped using it. But now to know, I mean, I've already, I, I, I'd used it for years. So who knows what kind of shit they already know.
Starting point is 00:35:15 Yeah. But yeah, it's interesting now to see that they've taken something that has like nearly, you know, the amount of users that like an organized religion does like around the world and you can now fully just kind of weaponize that shit yeah and uh yeah like you were saying you know super producer sophie lichterman earlier was like i've never taken a facebook quiz and then she went to buzzfeed and took this quiz uh which rap song are you and uh she's 99 problems just in case you guys are curious uh and uh then when she pressed share at the end of it like i told her to press share on facebook uh it already had her logged into facebook so like facebook is collecting all that data right
Starting point is 00:35:58 whether you realize it or not whether you're doing it as a you know whether you're coming from facebook or not facebook is constantly as long as you're logged into Facebook anywhere on the Internet, they're paying attention to you. I just wish they'd be honest about it. You know what I mean? I'm OK with being spied on. Just tell a boy, you know, like I'll leave something for you. I'll leave a nice little note. Dirty pictures.
Starting point is 00:36:21 I just I don't know, like how much of this information can actually be weaponized like you know i mean like i i i connect facebook to a lot of things for example when uh porn hub had the uh the little ad where you could get a free premium for the day of valentine's day which i thought was very kind very romantic uh i connected it to my facebook and i was like what why do they want what are they what does pornub want out of my Facebook? And then I found out. They know everything. Now they're just like recommending very specific porn to me. You like those Japanese nudu nudu videos. And I'm like, how did you guys know that from the shit that I like on Facebook?
Starting point is 00:36:54 What are nudu nudu? It's like where people just get greased up and like slide all over each other. But I mean, the reason it can be weaponized is because it can find people who are exceptionally vulnerable to this kind of disinformation or misinformation campaign. And that's like clearly to someone who is like a reasonable, cynical person, has enough reasonable cynicism, could be like, oh, this is bullshit or whatever. Like they're not as easily pulled into the trap as let's say – Well, thank you for thinking I'm on that side. Well, from what I understand, I mean granted i did get you at that type pot earlier uh but like i think when you look at people who are yeah sort of isolated older people who have conservative viewpoints like they're like oh we can really energize this person
Starting point is 00:37:34 or even on the other side if it's someone who's on the super like left and believes all kinds of conspiratorial things you can sort of begin to seed this misinformation into their reality and then you then you have completely gas seed this misinformation into their reality and then you then you have completely gaslit this person and that's where the weaponization but then is there any opportunity to like you know i don't know counter this like is there an opportunity for like you know us three to like put in some money get some geeks together and find these people and then we use it to our own ends like that's the thing is that there's no longer really any presumption of objectivity because everybody is just in this sort of advertising, social media maelstrom where all these different pieces of data are coming at us, whether we realize they are being used to a specific end or not. Yeah, true. And I mean, so the guy who is the whistleblower,
Starting point is 00:38:28 a guy named Christopher Wiley, a Canadian gentleman. Hey, Canada. Yeah, shout out to Canada. Change that name, bro. He's a guy who, his background was working for Trudeau's party, the Labour Party, I believe.
Starting point is 00:38:43 Liberal. The Liberal Party. And also on Obama's early campaign, I think 2008 campaign and 2012. And so he had the experience with people using online data and social media effectively in the ways that social media was used back then. But then he was like, they basically took that and ran with it and like put it on steroids by, you know, basically scraping all of these troves of information that Facebook was giving people access to.
Starting point is 00:39:16 And a lot of the stuff they did wasn't against Facebook's rules at the time. Facebook just didn't give a shit. And in fact, Facebook, like part of their sales pitch is this, it's the unprecedented access to, you know, people's personal information, man, uh, that you just fucking got me in my head. So deep. Hey, why are you deleting? You know, once you, you can't just delete the Facebook app. No, it's gone. Okay. Okay, well. Nice try. Years ago, when I was in college, and I smoked a lot of marijuana.
Starting point is 00:39:52 Some might argue more marijuana than I smoke today. In college? No way. I said that the social network is the Citizen Kane of today. And everyone laughed at me. And they laughed at me, and they said, this fucking stoner. Right. Now hearing the far reach that Facebook has, similarly to how Citizen Kane kind of describes the effects that the media had at that time. I just want to say I was right.
Starting point is 00:40:17 That's it. You were, although they probably didn't go far enough. Right. Yeah. No, they didn't critique. They only said he's a douche. They didn't really say, look at the power that you just. That's act one of Citizen Kane.
Starting point is 00:40:31 And now we have to get to the part where Mark Zuckerberg's face is like projected giant behind him as he's addressing large crowds. Well, now he's been summoned by every politician is like, get your ass here right now because like what's going on over at your company yeah so their uh stock is plummeting today uh to the point that it's actually dragging the entire stock market down because of how badly it's doing jesus because i mean i think investors realize this was the promise of facebook was that they were going to connect this trove of information about people that existed online with their actual identities. That was the thing that didn't exist before Facebook is, you know, we were all we all had these different usernames on different sites or we just didn't log into different sites. And Facebook made it so that people actually connected what they did online with their identities. And that's
Starting point is 00:41:26 an impossibly powerful tool. Like that's a wet dream of everybody who has worked in marketing. When I started at Cracked, like they, so we hired a consultant who was like from the magazine industry. And he was like this older guy who had worked for Rolling Stone. And they had like this trove of just addresses with people's names and like they would like pay like twenty thousand dollars for that just that's to like launch a new magazine to like hit people with mailers right like junk mail and shit like all they had was names and addresses and they were paying like tens of thousands of dollars compare that to like the insane amounts of information that you give to these companies just when you're taking a fucking quiz about whether you're Leonardo or Michelangelo from the Turtles.
Starting point is 00:42:11 What they need to do is start paying the old black woman on the corner in all these neighborhoods. Who knows everybody's shit? She knows everybody's shit. They should be paying her. I'll tell you who voted for Trump. Yeah, but she didn't have those psychographics, though. She got them psychographics. They're like, oh, I know he's insecure because his girlfriend cheated on him about 15 years ago.
Starting point is 00:42:29 But yeah, with this shit now, it's crazy because, yeah, you're going from names and addresses to now like, oh, I'm trying to target neurotic, introverted men under the age of 23 or whatever. And now you're like, boom. Right. And then you can even cut it down and be like, who live in the South? Boom. Who live in these three counties? Boom. Right. And then you can even cut it down and be like, who live in the south? Boom. Who live in these three counties? Boom. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:48 So I, for one, bow to our corporate overlords. Yeah. Hey, Facebook, as long as you're going to send people to the Daily Zeitgeist, we're cool with you. We love it. Just use your psychographics to help us grow our stuff. Maybe we should try and get Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah. Reach guest.
Starting point is 00:43:01 Reach guest. Yeah. That's a goal. We could do it. Okay. I'm sure he's not that busy. One of the great details of this. Yeah. Reach guest. Reach guest. Nice. Yeah. That's a goal. We could do it.
Starting point is 00:43:07 Okay. I'm sure he's not that busy. One of the great details of this, first of all, Cambridge Analytica, we were talking about the name being so transparently, they might as well have called it the Harvard Science People Who You Can Totally Trust, as our writer, J.M. McNabb, put it. But they were named by Steve Bannon. Steve Bannon was early involved in this company.
Starting point is 00:43:27 Board member. Yeah, board member. Bannon, Bannon. Yeah. And so this academic who you were talking about who is still on staff at Cambridge University, Dr. Kogan, he changed his name at one point to Dr. Spector. He changed his name at one point to Dr. Spector because he was just like, yo, I kind of am into being an evil genius. Then he changed it back. Apparently.
Starting point is 00:43:53 Yeah. Someone was like, are you bad? He's like, you know, we're kind of doing some subversive spy shit here. Right. And he's like, oh, oh, is that obvious? Okay. Should I take off the claw hand? Yeah. Right.
Starting point is 00:44:04 Yeah. I'm Dr. Kogan. And then there's also a weird detail where Russia gets involved in this. We can use this to transition to our next subject. the whistleblower he and nix who was the head of the company at the time were asked to explain their services to a russian oil company headed by one of putin's associates and uh while he was like why are we being asked to talk to them that makes no sense like they're like yeah you're there they're a russian oil company like a huge luke oil is the name of the company. And they're like, but we do work talking about American voters. Right.
Starting point is 00:44:46 So what does Russian oil have to – what the – Right. They said, why do they need to understand, quote, behavioral micro-targeting in the context of elections? Right. I don't know. It might depend on – I doubt those consumers over there have choice between who their oil and gas company is. So it's not like they're going to be like, well, we want to make sure we're getting the best service to our customers. Those consumers over there have choice between who their oil and gas company is. Right. So it's not like they're going to be like, well, we want to make sure we're getting the best service to our customers.
Starting point is 00:45:10 I don't know. I mean, maybe you can argue that, but it seems all very – again, there's always that sort of cloud of Russia hanging over. Right. So speaking of the cloud of Russia, I mean, I sent out a panicked tweet early Saturday morning being like, yo, we might have to come in and record over the weekend because and link people to the tweet from Trump's lawyer saying that they needed to fire Mueller, that the Mueller investigation needed to be shut down. came from the fact that I thought this was a White House lawyer, not just like Trump's personal pal lawyer. But it is just Trump's lawyer, not one of the official White House lawyers who's saying this. Yeah, everyone in the White House did a good job of walking that the fuck back. Right.
Starting point is 00:45:56 They were like, no, no, no, no, no. He's not speaking for anyone. But what would y'all think, though, if he did? Right. Oh, never mind. Yeah, we're walking it back. Yeah, they walked it back. And then Trump spent the weekend talking about how it was a witch hunt and specifically addressing Mueller.
Starting point is 00:46:08 So up to this point, he has said it's a witch hunt and said he's innocent. But he hasn't specifically talked about Mueller. He kept his name out his mouth. Right. He was, you know, because that was what I'm sure his wiser lawyers had told him to do. They didn't want him to directly antagonize the guy investigating him. And Trump, according to reports, now has the confidence in his job to just think that he can go off prompter. I feel like we keep hearing that. To just think that he can go off prompter.
Starting point is 00:46:43 I feel like we keep hearing that. Like they're like, well, now he's really confident that he doesn't need the input of associates. And he's just going off on his own. Well, the more adults that leave the room, you're going to get shit like this that his lawyers are probably like, do not call Robert Mueller out by name. This is possibly could be used as evidence against you and more obstruction shit. Right. evidence against you and more obstruction shit right because they already say like yo he's up on the like talking about these investigations and like leaning on people because that can look like a pattern with you of trying to obstruct you know this investigation or just any investigation into your actions this shit is getting hot in the right way you know i mean i'm very very excited trump is
Starting point is 00:47:19 acting like that dude who knows his girl's about to find out he's been cheating and he's been like you know now he's acting all erratic and shit like that. I don't think he's ever not been that dude. He's just – he's never done it. He's constantly in that state. Yeah, he's always cheated on his wives. He's always cheated at business. He cheats at golf.
Starting point is 00:47:35 Like I know somebody who golfed with him once and was like, yo, he just like straight moves his ball to a better location when he wants to. And here comes his comeuppance like i feel like he's been doing that shit this whole time and he's never gotten rocked so that i mean that's his only mode and yeah he's never gotten rocked he's also did it all the way to the fucking white house like he'll wait till he does that successful at that mode ever he'll get caught he'll do the dave chapelle defense and he'll say oh i'm sorry i didn't didn't know I couldn't do that because life has told me up to this point that I could. Right. Defense.
Starting point is 00:48:10 But I don't know. It also seems like there are now more and more people who are getting behind the well, this whole Mueller thing is corrupt. And Andrew McCabe, who was the deputy director of the FBI, was fired over the weekend. And now there's this just all out push by conservative and right wing media, which I do like draw a distinction between like right wing, which is like Fox News and shit like that. And then like conservatives, which is like National Review and National Review is even like kind of starting to go in on the Mueller investigation. Drudge Report, which I would consider to be right-wing, they have a poll up at the top of their page now that says that 75% of respondents say that, yes, Mueller should be fired, to 25% saying no. Granted, his polls are wildly unscientific, and they're taken by people who come to the Drudge Report, which is a super conservative.
Starting point is 00:49:08 I'm sure you can vote multiple times. You can. And I'm sure it's very easy to hijack by bots. And in fact, that's something I learned over the weekend. poll and they are just wild comments about like i'm ready to start uh civil war ii and kill these liberals who like think men are women and women are men and like just straight up like the you're a nightmare of what like right-wing people would be like and i had also seen that in the comment section of the hill i think i've even talked about it on yeah the hill gets that the hill's comments are just crazy yeah like far right wing like almost like it's somebody satirizing the right wing. And somebody pointed out in the comment section on the Hill, they were like – somebody was arguing back with a right wing commenter.
Starting point is 00:49:57 And somebody came in and was like, you know these are Russian bots, right? Like this – basically the Hill just has a terrible moderating system. And so Russian bots just come in and like flood the hill. How do you stop that though? How do you even begin to stop that? You have to basically bring your comment moderation in-house and like basically create your own strategy for doing that. We had that problem at Cracked that like at a certain point all of a sudden comments like started being taken over by people being like, hey, do you want to have sex with me? Right. I was like, oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:50:31 So it was like porn bots. I got you. I got a method now. Right. I got a method. You guys ready for it? What's your method? You asked them, yo, Sprite or 7-Up?
Starting point is 00:50:40 If they say 7-Up, that's some fucking bots. There's only one choice, and that is to obey your fucking thirst. Obey your thirst. This podcast is sponsored by Sprite. For first-time listeners, Edgar is an unofficial Sprite spokesperson looking to become the official Sprite spokesperson.
Starting point is 00:50:57 Yeah, we'll see what happens with Mueller, though, because, you know, again, this is the thing we were also talking about, is like, at least a few Republicans did come out and be like, hey, don't even start talking about possibly firing him. Lindsey Graham was straight up like, if you do that, that would be the beginning of the end of his presidency. I wouldn't hold my breath to see if Lindsey Graham found his –
Starting point is 00:51:16 Slipperiest motherfucker. Yeah. And then also James Lankford. A lot of people – Trey Gowdy said something, which is funny because he's on his way out anyway. Right. He's like, oh, if you're innocent, you're not acting like you're innocent yeah i mean that was like probably my favorite quote was from trey gowdy like the which is wild mr benghazi mr benghazi himself but he was just like uh you know talking to the president's lawyer he was like if your client is innocent fucking act like it man like it right and uh
Starting point is 00:51:46 that is you know that i'm telling you man i'm telling you he's got the donuts like have you guys ever seen that jerry springer episode where the dude comes home and there have been thousands of jerry what do you mean that jerry springer the dude comes home and has powder on his dick and his girl's like yo what's going on and he said oh i'll put a donut on his dick and his girl's like, yo, what's going on? And he said, oh, I put a donut on my dick. Versus what? It was a condom. It was from a condom. It was powder from a condom.
Starting point is 00:52:11 Remember how back in the day condoms used to be powdery? Man, I don't know. I never use them. Well, he said, I put a donut on my dick. It's so stupid. And I think this is where Trump's at.
Starting point is 00:52:21 It's like, you know, he's just like... Scrambling for excuses. Scrambling, bro. But he's in a position where he doesn't have to give the excuses. He can just dead the investigation. But I don't even talk about it because it's a witch hunt from the jump. Right.
Starting point is 00:52:31 And I'm having a hard time figuring out if that is actually being like taken up by the right wing or if, you know, sane conservatives are being persuaded by that argument. That this is a witch hunt. That this is a witch hunt and that it's time to fire Mueller for some reason. Can I speak directly to the conservatives? Yeah. Nobody puts a donut on their dick. That's enough said. Enough said.
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Starting point is 00:57:18 successful very very very very super successful but you know black people can't still lead movies you know what i'm saying right so that i mean this has to officially just dead that idea right i mean who knows until like they use some like moral licensing moment where they'll do another film that's predominantly black cast and it doesn't do one like okay well then i guess we have to you know circle the wagons again right i mean that that movie exists it's called a wrinkle in time yeah is it not doing well in the box office it not doing well in the box office? It's doing well in the box office. It's doing quite poorly critically. Yeah. Well, that's a whole other thing.
Starting point is 00:57:52 I saw it. Did you see it? No. I liked that the message of inclusion and empathy and all that was in there, but as a film, narratively speaking, I was a little confused and I felt like I'm not... I don don't know i don't want to talk bad about it because i like ava duvernay and i think the work she does is great and what
Starting point is 00:58:10 this film means is good but i was having trouble being like this was a great film here's who i blame and i've been saying it all day the studio i don't believe that the studio let ava duvernay make the kind of movie that you want no i doubt, it's Disney, and it was a huge budget. Huge budget. I mean, we're talking about toys and toys and toys for days. I'm pretty sure they were like, we're not taking our hands off of this movie. Right. In the way that I could see Marvel letting Ryan Coogler get away with some things.
Starting point is 00:58:38 Well, but that's still Disney, though. That's also Disney, though, too. But it's not just as much on stage. It's a different brand, though. Real Time has 40% on Rotten Tomatoes. Yeah. I'm telling you. It got kind of waxed.
Starting point is 00:58:49 It got smacked. No, it did. I mean, you know. Anyway, the song by Sade is lit, though. I do want to talk about Black Panther because I think the last time I checked in with it was, you know, opening weekend. It did really, really well, but it was like the third biggest marvel movie uh opening ever and now because it's just continued to do insanely well it's the first movie since avatar to be number one at the box office for five straight weeks uh it is going to
Starting point is 00:59:17 be the biggest marvel movie ever uh and it's already over a billion dollars internationally. I don't know. It's just, it's become, it's not just like a big movie. It is like one of the biggest movies of all time, which is crazy. It's so big that Marvel has moved up Infinity War to get on this high. That momentum, that wave, yeah. I do think this is interesting because this weekend there was a movie you know tomb raider came out and we can talk about that in a second but uh a movie called uh i can only imagine or something uh a a christian movie came out
Starting point is 00:59:58 is it based on the song i can only imagine that's right yeah when that day comes and I find myself. Sorry, I was a Christian kid. Yeah. Oh, I didn't hear that. We didn't get that song in my church. This is a movie that made $17 million this weekend at the box office, even though nobody was predicting it would make anything, really. And it's the story of a singer of a popular Christian rock song. And he tells the story of his abusive childhood and how he came to sing that song.
Starting point is 01:00:30 What's the name of the band? Is it? Mercy Me. Mercy Me. There you go. I remember them. Surrounded by your presence, what will my heart sing? Will I dance for you, Jesus?
Starting point is 01:00:42 You grew up very religious. That is correct. That is correct. I only know the old school songs. Let me hear it. And he will raise you up on eagles' wings. Yeah, I remember that one. Were you there when they crucified my lord? That's a hymn.
Starting point is 01:00:58 Ah, sometimes it causes me to tremble. See, that's what happens when you go too good. Nah, man. I was up on that Hill song. You know what I what happens when you go too good. Nah, man. I was up on that Hill song. You know what I'm saying? That Chris Tomlin. Oh, wow. You got the good shit.
Starting point is 01:01:09 You know what I'm saying? Sorry, back to this movie. Well, I just wanted to make the comparison that Christian movies, every once in a while, there'll be a Christian movie that'll just like blow up and people will be like, wait, I didn't even know this movie existed. Right. Wait, Greg Kinnear is in this? Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:01:28 Or God's Not Dead? They always get killed by the critics. It's like at 27 on Metacritic. It reminds me of like Tyler Perry movies, like when they come out and they just blow up and people are like, what? This movie is abominable. And, you know, they always get smashed on Metacritic and uh you know but they're hitting a underserved demographic i feel like right um and it's also just like your fans are gonna show out for you like you know what i mean like tyler perry's fans don't read variety being like i
Starting point is 01:01:57 wonder what they thought about this movie like tyler perry fans are just like let me see tyler perry in a dress right i'm gonna go home happy that was worth the 995 yeah i'm getting tickets for 995 listen these things don't live in la well they say with this film this uh a picture that 67 female and 80 over 35 oh for i can only imagine yeah yeah yeah i'm telling my mom is about to text me right now say edgar why don't you like movies like these? What? Did she tell you that's what you should write movies like that? My mom, whenever I go home, has me sit down and watch Fireproof and say, you can find these people, Edgar.
Starting point is 01:02:34 I don't even know what Fireproof is. It's another one of those ones. It's another. Heaven is real. That movie? Heaven is real? Heaven is real. God's Not Dead is a very popular one.
Starting point is 01:02:46 My mom loves that shit. And every time I go home home she convinces me to make those kinds of movies right and you're like oh and you should watch this john water song yeah and then she gets mad i remember i tried to convince my mom to watch lady bird and she said he's that guessing oh and i said a little bit she said i'm not going to watch that oh man i said that's a good movie about you know moms you could do a tell her i'm in love with a church girl with ja rule my buddy edited that and it was the production of that film was a nightmare and that's a faith-based film is it really yeah and like the dude who produced it you know the dude who produced it i don't even know i say something he was like he like ran a mega church
Starting point is 01:03:19 like up in san jose and like got a ton of money from his prisoners to make it he was also into some other shady stuff but anyway ja rule is in and his name is miles in the film so i was gonna say do christian movies have like a future black panther equivalent where they're going to like have this massive box office domination when they combine with like a very i'm sure well executed blockbuster but then i was really the passion was basically that no but I feel like you see how like we just sang like these songs that we were familiar with from like the cultural touchstone of Christianity in our childhood
Starting point is 01:03:53 or whatever right like that you could find a way to sort of exploit that nostalgia coupled with people who are actually like current you know churchgoers and things like that, and maybe find some overlap.
Starting point is 01:04:06 I mean, that would be like the finesse Venn diagram move of the century. Absolutely. Right. And then real quick, we want to talk about the number two movie. So we've talked about Black Panther, number one, and I can only imagine number three. Number two was Tomb Raider. Tomb Raider.
Starting point is 01:04:22 The reboot with Alicia Vikander. Alicia Vikander. Nice. Amazing. So the main thing I've been hearing about this is that, you know, it's just another Tomb Raider movie. I guess the original Tomb Raider was the most successful video game adaptation movie of all time. Still to this day?
Starting point is 01:04:46 Yeah. Oh, I'm so sorry to all the Resident Evil fans out there. I tried. Oh, man. I went to every opening night for two... Did you? Well, when I was allowed to watch movies, absolutely. Yes, I did. Because I love that franchise and I love Mila Jovovich. That kept her career going.
Starting point is 01:05:02 And her husband, the forgotten P.T. Anderson. He's the director, right? Which is why he's like, yeah, hey. And his name is P.T. Anderson. Oh, really? He's the other P.T. Anderson? His name is P.T. Anderson? Look it up, bro.
Starting point is 01:05:13 His name is P.T. Anderson. And everyone was just like, what, Paul Thomas Anderson directed the Resident Evil movies? Nah, dude. His name won't even show up. His career took a real turn. and evil movies? Nah, dude. His name won't even show up. His career took a real turn.
Starting point is 01:05:25 But so there is also apparently a controversy going on on the internet about the casting of Lara Croft and whether her boobs are too small. Right. Because apparently that was like the main feature of the Lara Croft character. Croft? I call her Craft because she's crafty. Well, that's wrong. That's my nickname for her.
Starting point is 01:05:49 Well, you just triggered me. So the story of how she was designed is she was just like a female Indiana Jones who was normally proportioned. And then a designer was like, maybe we should give her slightly larger boobs. And so he was trying to increase them by 50 but he increased them by 150 accidentally and was like oh i'm sorry and fixed it and his team was like wait a second and now he has a mansion right exactly and uh yeah they left the mistake in and she had just uh physics defying boobs and uh that was sort of her main thing and now a bunch of dudes are like okay is it just me or can everybody else just agree that like her
Starting point is 01:06:34 boobs are too small to be laura no i mean on twitter they're saying do i have to be the asshole who says her tits are too small for me to see her as laura croft and then right what and i think another one said what was what was a current review that got redacted where they're like, oh, it looks like Luke Croft with that flat chest kind of shit. Yo, can I speak to that man directly? Sure. You have never had sex in your life.
Starting point is 01:06:56 The only titties you've ever seen are digital. Digital. So don't be mad at Alicia because she out here flexing. She's doing stunts that you could never do. The thing is the Lara Croft character has been so hyper-sexualized from the get-go that people still can't shake it. Because even when the film came out in 2001, people were fixated on the idea of Angelina Jolie's breasts and if they measured up to the character. And asking her in interviews, like, oh, well, what did you do to bust out your role as Lara? What did you have to do?
Starting point is 01:07:27 And she's like, oh, we had to enhance a few things. That's ridiculous. People are trash. Yeah, and even then, I think from back then, there was a Washington Post. Is this a reviewer? It says, Lara Croft, Tomb Raider, stars Angelina Jolie's lips and breasts,
Starting point is 01:07:39 and in a much smaller role, the actual Angelina Jolie herself. Listen, I'm going to say this right now. These video game niggas is fake as fuck because they let Mark Wahlberg be Max Payne, and he looks nothing like Max Payne. They ain't say shit, but now they're going to come for Lara Croft because of titties. Man, this is ridiculous.
Starting point is 01:07:56 Yeah. Again, it shows you the toxic overlap of a video game. Some men in the video game world and having this kind of show business. Come find me on Fortnite so they can get their ass beat. Let's not forget where the Men's Right to Activist movement started. Gamergate.
Starting point is 01:08:11 Gamergate. All right, Edgar, it has been a pleasure, as always, having you. Where can people find you? They can find me on Twitter at Edgar Molpazier. Please join in my campaign
Starting point is 01:08:23 to restore my cum shorts. Yeah, you took a hell on that one. They've been taken from me, and if you guys could please convince my girlfriend that it is a normal and or okay thing to do, that would be quite helpful. I might almost be able to guarantee that you might not find many people to do that. It's alright. People were DMing me asking about
Starting point is 01:08:42 you. They're like, is Edgar fucking crazy? I was like, is Edgar fucking crazy? I was like, look, man, I'm not here to judge what this man does. And listen, to all those people, print out your porn searches. And let's see who's fucking crazy. Because I'm out here jerking into shorts watching normal porn while you're out there jerking into napkins watching some fucked up Japanese game show. So don't be coming at me. Hey, don't come for my Japanese game show.
Starting point is 01:09:04 Nah, now you know you lost a cum shorts ally, man. Please flame this man and his Twitter. Nah, you guys know what I'm talking about with these Japanese game shows. They get wild. Yeah, they do. You need to leave Japan alone, Edgar. This is getting problematic. Miles, where can people find you?
Starting point is 01:09:18 Oh, you can find me reporting Edgar's Twitter and Instagram. But if you want to find me, I'm at milesofgray on Twitter and Instagram. And even on PlayStation. A couple people are like, hey, man, what's your gamer tag or psm name it's miles of great i keep it consistent i'm not gonna promise i will follow you but at least send me a message and stroke my ego and maybe i will grant you access yeah let's play fortnite together oh yeah edgar the doubt you can follow me at jack underscore o'brien on twitter you can follow us at Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter, at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com,
Starting point is 01:09:49 where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the sources of the information we talked about today. That's going to do it for today, Miles. Do we have a song that you'd like to write us out on? Yeah, you know, let's just start off the week in a nice groove. So this is one of my favorite sort of first bass lines I ever learned and also one of the great tracks of Herbie Hancock's when he had the Headhunters album on the great classic song,
Starting point is 01:10:15 Watermelon Man. But this vibe, this, oh my God, let me just tell you, from the drums to the bass, the guitar, everything, it's just a wonderful rendition of Watermelon Man. And I promise you, if you like this kind of stuff, you're going to like this. We're going to ride out on that. We will be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast.
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