The Daily Zeitgeist - The FBI Is Harvesting Faces But President Pence Scares Us More 10.25.17

Episode Date: October 25, 2017

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 3, Episode 3 of The Daily Zeitgeist for October 25th, 2017. My name is Jack O'Brien, aka Potatoes O'Brien, aka Young Jackfruit, aka Obi-Wan Plain Odie, and I am joined by my co-host mr miles gray yes uh i'm not sure how to say this uh ant antifa antifa okay yeah i just want to get that up and we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a legendary stand-up and comedy writer Mr. Dana Gould. Hi. Hi. Showrunner of Stan Against Evil. Old.

That's not what that means. I have to tell you, Dana, and I saved this until we recorded it. You've written one of my favorite tweets of all time. I always bring this up. Yes. The one about... The one I call CNN fake news. No.

The one about if Lou Gehrig died of Lou Gehrig's disease. Do you remember that one? Yeah. And that doesn't bode well for my friend. Terrible penis cancer. One of my favorite fucking tweets. So have you looked through your search history? Do you have any searches that are particularly revealing about who you are as a human being?

Most of my search histories are minutiae of obscure B, C, and D actors and actresses from the 40s, 50s, and 60s. I have a very sad, weird – I'm a member of a little email clique that we just trade show business ephemera. And I need that little window to get away from – The madness? Yeah. I was dropping – I drove my daughter to school this morning and then while driving on Mulholland at high speed, I was also reading the news. No.

And it's just enough to get you furious. If you look at my tweets, they're angry in the morning and then there will be a couple of jokes and then I chill out and then some plugs. then some plugs uh but the first ones are always rage because aren't the way the news is written reported and delivered now is to manufacture rage because that provokes action which causes clicks which gives news organizations a metric to charge advertising rates it all comes down to how much tide they can sell you one day msnbc will make enough money that they don't have to show prison documentaries all weekend, which is how they pay their anchors. And this episode is brought to you by Tide. All right.

The views expressed by Dana Gould are solely his own and not of the Daily Zeitgeist. Brighter, bolder colors. I say that's the system working because I think that is very revealing about you, that you search 40s and 50s ephemera. Well, the last thing I discovered was the address of the house that Bela Lugosi is killed in front of in Plan 9 from Outer Space. Wow. That's a deep cut.

It's in Selmar. Oh, it's in Selmar? I can take you there. Wow. It was a deep cut. It's in Somar. Oh, it's in Somar? I can take you there. Wow. It was Tor Johnson's house. Nothing good happens in Somar. As someone who grew up in the Valley, yeah. Can you give us one overrated thing and one underrated thing?

One thing that I feel is underrated. All right, I'll go big. I think that the legislative branch of our government is underrated, and the executive branch of our government is overrated. All right, that is big. And I'm not talking about people. I'm talking about the way the system was designed. Underutilized or underrated by us?

Underrated by us and by the people that inhabit it. You know, we built an imperial presidency because people like a king. Right. Or a queen. Or a queen. But in our country so far, just kings. Yeah. And see how great it's worked out. And when, in fact, the founding fathers wanted a system where, you know, as John McCain said, where the president's equal, we're not his servant.

Right. When you go back and look at, you know, stories of like memoirs or stories of like how companies came together, you see the same thing where the CEO will get like all this credit and like the public consciousness. But when you actually dig down into the details, it's like this big group coming together. Like, but that's just how Americans like to process stories is like the star. You have to have the star. Yeah, you need, you know,ul mccartney was this safe company man and john lennon was an artist and finally yoko ono broke everybody up and now it was much more complicated than that sure yeah right paul mccartney was the grown-up john lennon

was kind of a dick and that's what Yeah. There's a really brilliant book called You Never Give Me Your Money, which is a psychological dissection of the Beatles' breakup as if it was a marriage dissolving. And what you have with John Lennon and Paul McCartney is two guys. It's all individual psychology. It's the same with Trump. It's the same with whoever. It's the same with music. It's all the individual psychological makeup. John Lennon and Paul McCartney, two guys whose mothers died when they were very young they were bonded over that they became incredibly codependent friends and they couldn't leave each

other until they had replaced each other it wasn't until john replaced paul with yoko and paul replaced john with linda they were finally able to break up. But what John did, what Paul didn't really do, was he would say, Yoko and I are one person now. We're John and Yoko. And everyone like, oh, God, it's so romantic. Right. Because that fits with this Western philosophy of like you work and you work and eventually you find your soulmate and then you're happily ever after and everything's great. When in fact, any psychiatrist would tell you that's super unhealthy.

Terribly unhealthy. Yeah. It's the definition of unhealthy. Right, right. You know, that's not the point at all. And we have, you know, huge pops. I can't live living without you. Well, that's terrible.

You need help. One of my favorites. Yeah. But you need help. That's what you think. You need mental help. Right. All right.

Well, we need to get into the events of the day. But that is who Dana Gould is. I don't know how we went down that road. She is a fascinating person who knows very interesting things about a lot of stuff. I know a lot about stuff that doesn't matter at all. I don't know. The Beatles were pretty good. Tor Johnson lived in Sylmar, people.

You heard it here first. So we're going to get into the stories for today. Just at the top of the show, I want to state our purpose. Basically, we talk about politics and, you know, the president and the news and all that stuff. But we also talk about movies and supermarket tabloids and bands breaking up because it's our belief that those are sort of zeitgeist influencers, like millions of people pass the tabloids every day. So they absorb those ideas on the cover,

whether they want to or not. Celebrity culture is like our Greek myths. Movies are also putting ideas in your head, whether you realize it or not. So that's where we're coming from. That's what we try and do in the body of our show. But up front, we're going to talk about a news story. There's an article by the wonderful New Yorker writer Jane Mayer called The Pence Delusion that just came out. That is basically about who, you know, there's this belief that once we get Trump out of office, if we get Trump out of office through impeachment or because he's mentally unfit to do the job,

then it's, you know, happy days once again. job. Then it's, you know, happy days. Once again, there was a BuzzFeed story on my news alerts that I got this morning that half a dozen lawmakers have contacted a psychiatry professor at Yale named Bandy Lee to talk about the president's mental state and basically trying to identify how they can possibly, you know, make a solid case that he is unfit for the office. You know, Bannon said the 25th Amendment was the thing that Trump should be worrying about. And Trump said, what's the 25th Amendment? But, you know, everybody is focused. Everybody who is worried about Trump is focused on getting him out of office. So what then if, in fact, people are able to get him out of office? Who is Mike Pence? What do we have coming to us? I, heading into this article, just had this idea that he was sort of this right-wing do-gooder.

I assumed he was good at his job at being a right-wing politician. I don't know. What were you guys' impressions of Mike Pence? Well, he loves the Koch brothers. He loves the Koch. Right. I mean, they've definitely uh they're pulling the strings with with mike pence in a lot of ways uh but yeah i think it's it's much more i think people don't realize just how dangerous mike pence actually is uh just with like his beliefs uh so yeah i think

it is a quite a big delusion i think again it just speaks to how far we've come or how low we've gone that we're now looking at mike pence and people think like that is going to be some source of relief right well that was the thing with uh well i knew a little bit about him because a lot of friends in indiana and i perform in bloomington a lot he was loathed in indiana right basically sent a woman to prison for having a miscarriage right uh and uh he is sort of like to trump was Spiro Agnew was to Nixon. Like they just said that the thing that kept Richard Nixon from getting impeached was that Spiro Agnew was the vice president.

Right. And then what happened was Spiro Agnew had to resign because of, uh, his own scandal and was replaced by Jerry Ford. And the minute Jerry Ford became the vice president, it was like, okay, here we go. Start the clock. Really? Yeah. And it's important to remember that, you know, there's this miracle 37 percent of, you know,

Trump could strangle a baby on television and 37 percent approval rating. The day Nixon resigned, he had a 27 percent approval rating. So, you know, the ding dong factor has gone up by 10 percent. And it will never go below that because they're not approving Trump. They're refusing to admit they're wrong. Yeah, right. Exactly. And they're disapproving of the mainstream media.

They're basically saying, yeah, Fox News, what you said. Right. Yeah. And they will not approve that they're wrong. It was interesting, just a quick snapshot of that. Yesterday, David Coren tweeted, he was in the airport and somebody said that, you know,

that gold star woman, it's a, it's all baloney. Right. Uh, they, uh, they, and he goes,

how do you know? He goes, cause they published the tape on the internet. I go, Oh, show it to me. And the guy goes, no,

it's on the internet. And he goes, and David Coren better. I'll bet you 50 bucks. It's not. The guy just walked away. Right. I don't want to believe right now. Yeah. like oh well fuck this argument yeah usually i can just win by saying it exists right yeah it's the you know the it's very

orwellian and that's sort of nice you know i just made i'll create my own reality and yeah that's great that's a comfy place to exist yeah Yeah. I mean, man, again, Mike Pence made Indiana a great place for gun owners, too. I mean, like a lot of the guns that are going into Chicago are coming out of Indiana because I have to drive right across the border and you can get whatever you want in whatever quantity you want. Just right there. Yeah. So, yeah, you know, I mean, it would be exciting to see his wife become first lady mother. Yeah. I just I just want that to become like a worldwide thing.

So, yeah, there's a lot of interesting things about his upbringing. He was raised – Does she also have a girl-girl photo gallery on Pornhub or is that just our current first lady? Wait, is that true? Yeah. Wow. Don't act like you don't know, Jack. I don't.

Oh, well, I guess I do then. It was in the New York Post the day after Trump leaked it to the New York Post. He was like, hey, check this out. That's exactly right. So the things I hadn't fully appreciated was how, I guess, incompetent Pence was. He was a wildly unsuccessful politician prior to being named VP. He was probably going to get voted out of office. Oh, no, he was getting voted.

Yeah, like for sure. Yeah. So when Pence was being considered by Trump for the vice presidency, the big hitch that Trump couldn't get past was that he learned that Pence only had fifteen thousand dollars in his checking account. Like that's all the money he had to his name because apparently he's like not not a very successful guy, just like in general. And like Trump just didn't think he could work with someone who was so poor. I'm sure he is remedied that uh at this point but how are you like that close to the coke brothers and have only managed to uh siphon off fifteen thousand dollars what is mother spending all that money on i know what is he spending all his fucking money on you

think he could make money by signing autographs for race bannon at cartoon conventions right um but the one thing he is is extremely motivated to be president like that's the one thing everybody who had worked with him in indiana was like i'm shocked that he got this close because he wasn't very good at his job and he's not a very competent or like outwardly bright person. But they did know that he wanted to be president. And in fact, that was his desperation to be president is probably what hurt him, at least partially in Indiana, because he was like bringing it, signing in all these different super far right wing policies that weren't good for people locally. They were just popular with the extreme right wing on the national stage.

But he made it legal to discriminate against gay people among Indiana businesses. And that started, you know, businesses started moving out of Indiana and people were threatening to pull like major conferences that brought in millions of dollars of revenue. And he didn't bother him. He had his eyes on the prize. Right. Exactly. Same with Scott Walker in Wisconsin.

Right. Yeah, exactly. So he is motivated to be president. That's basically how he ended up where he is. Very, very close to the presidency. Well, you have to give him credit. He drew an inside straight because when he was announced that Trump's running mate, everyone was like, oh, wow, what a terrible way to end your career. Right, right. really funny story when we all arrogantly thought hillary clinton was going to win i was like the

it was a funny show that uh pence escapes trump campaign bus and is caught and returned by the police you know like we're so right right um and uh but i i actually think uh he's more of an empty suit than Trump. You know, Trump is a malignant clinical narcissist by definition, and I think those people are inherently more danger than just an empty suited religious zealot because I think his worst impulses could be checked. checked and he is incompetent and that's the thing that has saved us all so far about trump is is that he does not have the intelligence or the attention span to actually enact a lot of his crazier ideas when he doesn't believe in anything right and uh and he's not that bright he's not that bright he has great street intelligence in terms of how to communicate to a specific class of people. And he got – he drew an – to repeat the analogy, he drew an insight straight in the Electoral College that will be very difficult to repeat. A friend of mine who's a Republican political strategist, he's a black swan.

It's just one of these weird anomalies that happens. It's just one of these weird anomalies that happens. But Pence at least would be more competent and less sort of volatile and just subject to the whims of his narcissism and and would be sort of an analogy to Warren Harding, whereas Trump is more an analogy to King George in the 1700s. Right. It's just completely barking mad. The John Goodman movie. Completely barking mad. And that's becoming – it is just – the only Republicans that will speak out against them are the ones that are agreeing to no longer run.

And it just – I mean this is nothing new. This is the nature of politics. But politicians only want one thing, to get reelected. Right. That's the sole purpose. It's the job. Right. And then when they give that up then they can actually go oh yeah

this guy's awful right you're being governed by an awful guy that i supported because i wanted to be re-elected because i don't fear death anymore because i've embraced it right yeah yeah but again fuck mike pence for president too like i think yeah again it shows just how low like we were talking about before that how bad things have gotten where we're even looking at mike pence and trying to rationalize like oh well maybe it won't be total hell. I can just say this. If if let's say in a in a radical move that the 25th Amendment is enacted and Trump is removed from office, which is supremely unlikely. Right.

The only thing I can guarantee is that the Democrats would find someone named Micro Dick McWeakling to run against. All right. We're goingakling to run against him. All right, we're going to go to break on that. And when we come back, we are going to find out that Bill O'Reilly is not a predator. It turns out he is a good dude. Yeah, he has thank you notes from two women. So it turns out he's a good dude. We'll be right back.

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He was like, yeah, yeah, sure. Whatever. Just make it go away. Like, yeah, yeah, sure, whatever, just make it go away. So the New York Times had a sit-down with O'Reilly over the weekend where they kind of went back and forth with him, and he explained why he wanted them to not report this story. And we've got audio of that meeting, I think. Surely you understand that any kind of... or court action is going to bring horror to a famous person. Surely you understand that. It's not going to be reported accurately. It's not going to be reported accurately.

It's going to be used. And I will go back to my children. So when situations arose, we handled them as methodically and as responsibly as we could without putting my children in grave danger. I urge you to think about what you put in your newspaper. Eric Bolling's son is dead. He's dead because of allegations made, in my opinion, and I know this to be true, against Mr. Bolling. No game. No game against Mr. Ball. No game. No game, guys. So he made he made.

So that's something you don't see a lot of. So that was a man hiding behind his children. Right. So that was his argument the whole time was think about me. I have children. Don't tell people how much of a creep I am behind the scenes. Why is it? The old argument goes, well, why hasn't this happened with Sean Hannity?

Yeah, I don't know. Basically, the defense is, what about all the women I didn't harass? Right, right, exactly. That's the Manson defense. There's a lot of people in L.A. that I didn't murder. Right. What of them? So he was asking them to think about his kids and how damaging this would be to them.

And then he brought out the son radar. O'Reilly, he brought out the story of Eric Bolling, who was let go by Fox News and whose son died of sort of mysterious or undisclosed causes, like basically the day that his departure from Fox News was basically using the corpse of Ed of Bowling's son as a bat to keep reporters at bay, basically brandishing the stiffened corpse of a child to keep reporters at bay. And Eric Bowling even came out and said, that is wholly inappropriate. Like, keep my son's name out of your fucking mouth. That is wholly inappropriate. Like, keep my son's name out of your fucking mouth. And then you're talking about and also said, you know, O'Reilly was like, I know this to be true.

Eric Bolling came out and was like, it had absolutely nothing to do with my departure from Fox News. You fucking asshole. So O'Reilly has since, despite being so confident that that was the cause of Eric Bolling's son's death, he has since come out and apologized and walked that back. The best thing, though, is after that, Bill O'Reilly goes on Twitter to try and find a way to vindicate him, to prove his innocence. And he tweeted, my investigative team has done a superb job in exposing the lies and smear i will speak with you on monday so essentially saying like hey on monday i'm gonna have some i'm gonna have some real hot documents uh but so we have the dramatic reveal of what the evidence was that his uh investigative team and now keep in mind he is a very rich man so he can pay for an investigative team. Well, these are the same people that were in Hawaii.

Right. That Trump had in Hawaii. Right. So, yeah, his investigative team supposedly put together this bombshell that would prove that he isn't a sexual harasser. And what they came up with was a handful of thank you notes that women had sent him years before they made harassment allegations. Not guilty. So on the one hand, right. So on the one hand, indicating he is a sexual harasser. When the case was brought against him, he settled out of court within days for $32 million.

He was like, please just make this allegation go away. So that would seem to indicate some guilt. But on the other hand, he has this evidence we're about to hear that his investigative team put together that he reads to us on the Glenn Beck show. Actually, I think we start out with Glenn Beck reading one of the thank you notes. This one is from Gretchen Carlson. Bill, thank you for being the calm in the sea. Thank you so much for supporting me. Thank you for being my friend.

It means the world to me. GC. Yeah. So, look, I think that anybody, any fair-minded person, and I really appreciate you reading those to your listeners, I think that they can now start to formulate a picture here so that was uh one of three thank you notes that he read on the air that are uh he also read two from megan that was probably the strongest one and in terms of it was actually uh you know, Gretchen Carlson saying, you know, thank you and calm in the sea.

Right. Being really nice about him in a broad way. Megyn Kelly, he used to thank you notes from her that were legitimately just like thank yous for like gifts. Yeah. Like, hey, shout out to you for coming to my baby shower. Right. And also thanks for mentioning my husband's book right so like thank you for very specific things and he was like see right i can't be a sex criminal predator because i have thank you notes from it and then the third piece uh was also the affidavit that uh the who is it lease while uh who who the settlement was made with uh the signed affidavit that basically just is the agreement that she's signing for the settlement to say, like, I will not I will no longer pursue damages in a court of law. Right.

And so he was also using that somehow. Well, she wouldn't assign that if he wasn't like a good guy who she would trust with a way this children, this brain works. Apparently, that's the best way it is. Yeah. So, yeah, I think the New is. Yeah. So, yeah. I think the New York Times has been thoroughly factored. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

That's called getting factored. Welcome to the no-spin zone, you punks. Yeah. Again, just to read the thank you note, it has nothing to do with him being a good person. Also, Megyn Kelly herself complained to fox news about bill o'reilly right so i don't i don't really think that having her as your character witness really you know proves anything but it's a dear bill what a class act you are thank you for coming to my baby shower i was truly touched i know how busy you are especially at that time of the day

meant a lot to me and doug thank you for the darling body suits and snuggly it's hard to believe we'll soon have a little human being in our lives to fit into those you become a dear friend no matter what they say and i'm grateful to have you in my life i mean that's already what do you mean no matter what they say i mean so it's a warm sounding note but yeah there are a couple things to keep in mind i mean she wrote it in 2009 uh seven years before she made complaints about O'Reilly, like, quote, intimidating and harassing women. So clearly she doesn't still feel that way. She's also trying to build a career against all odds at a company where women are treated like shit. And he's like the most powerful guy at that company.

It took him took them so long to fire him. powerful guy at that company. It took them so long to fire him. And also, he's trying to, like you said, he's trying to paint a picture of himself as a guy who women never complained about. And the best he can do is a note that made reference to the fact that people complain about him. She says, I don't care what they say about you. That's never a good thing when that's the best you can come up with. Yeah. And I think clearly it just speaks to how sort of tone deaf and delusional he is to not even see that like, well, why would you write me this letter that's thanking me if I were such a bad guy? He can't even acknowledge the power structure of this relationship. I mean, but he also pointed out that one of them did smile at him one time.

So, I mean, clearly he's a good guy. They wouldn't have smiled at him. What is his deal? Like why can't he just go into a dark corner and just be done with it? Because that's – because the narcissism and the erotic charge that his self-love emanates is what draw people to him. Right. You know, and, you know, sociopaths have very high self-esteem and that's translated as charisma. Right. And and you can't if he had the ability to shut that off, he wouldn't have become Bill O'Reilly. That was what they said about Richard Nixon.

You know, I believe it was Henry, no, it was Leonid Brezhnev said the thing about Richard Nixon is, imagine what this man could have accomplished had someone loved him. But, and then I'm not sure who responded, but it goes, yes, but then he would have never been president. And I think that's true. You can't just – why are many comedians depressed? Because the same brain that makes the good stuff makes the bad stuff. They make very creative good stuff and very creative bad stuff. Right, right, right.

And he was in the – he's an old – he's in his 70s. It's a different generation. You know, he just lives in a different world. And I'm sure he believes everything he's saying. Right. Yeah. No, and he must. Especially if he's saying stuff like, you know, bringing up his children hiding behind that or saying that he blames God.

Yeah, he said he's mad at God in the past couple of days. Yeah, in 20 years, we're going to find Bill O'Reilly on a shrimping boat up in the crow's nest, just shouting at God like Lieutenant Dan. It's a deep Lieutenant Dan cut. You never actually said so, but I think he made peace with God. I mean, that's how you know when you've run out of fucking people to blame. Right. You know, you're like, oh, fuck God. Yeah.

He fucked me over. Not me. I'm not a predator. In the New York Times podcast, this is from. Yeah. Yeah. Me over. Not me. I'm not a predator in the New York Times podcast. This is from the podcast The Daily. They the reporter who has been reporting on him speculated that she thought that the like huge dollar figure, the thirty two million dollars came so quickly because in the sexual harassment allegations, he had sent gay porn to the woman. And he thought that, you know, having gay porn close to his brand would be like really damaging. So that's another another reason why he might be, you know, lashing out. Was it Dude Dude or Chick Chick? Because think chick chick that's what i brought that's what we're trying to that's what we're trying to figure out because i don't

there's nothing less gay than two straight dudes watching two chicks that's two women therefore double the straightness exactly i couldn't agree more all right so i want to move on to uh something that is coming up apple is dropping the uh iphone x the iphone 10 on us uh in the next couple of months and i believe october 28th that goes on pre-sale why do i know this i have a 13 year old daughter ah and she's demanding the it X. It is her life. It is her life. Right. Yeah. She texted me this morning the pre-sign up for it. I was like, this is the one, Dad. Yeah.

Get this one. So one of the features that is getting talked about a lot is that there is this new facial recognition feature on the iPhone where it will be able to unlock itself just by you looking at it, essentially. And this is a new technology that's been coming down the pipe for a while. And China has actually been perfecting it on their end because they are China. They're able to have a database of every one of their over a billion citizens' faces in a database. And by analyzing that many faces, like sort of algorithmically, they're able to actually sort of perfect the technology. Basically, in theory, it's pretty creepy because unlike other biometric systems, it's like a fingerprint, but a fingerprint that you wear on your face. So, like, I mean, one thing that's being brought up is that cops,

while you're handcuffed, could just use your face to open your iPhone and, you know, get access to whatever they need access to. Hey, if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about. Exactly. Ask the West Memphis Three. So some of the other things, it's already being used by police without people's permission in America and with little oversight. The FBI.

Not the police. Do you believe it? The FBI, not the police. Do you believe it? The FBI maintains something called the Next Generation Identification Interstate Photo System,12 million photos. And it includes people who were never the target of any investigation. They just have people's faces. They're just scanning people's faces from website, just the pictures that they uploaded themselves and fed it through an algorithm and were able to tell they were able to distinguish between gay and heterosexual men 81 percent of the time and gay and heterosexual women 71 percent of the time uh you know which is way better than you know humans can do using our gaydar uh and you know the computer was able to tell this just based on just the photos the photos of their face based on the type of porn Bill O'Reilly sent.

Exactly. And so the idea is like that would be a really damaging tool to have in the hands of, you know, Mike Pence, Mike Pence or. Yeah. A government that has had Mike Pence's in charge of its policy for many decades and, you know, where homosexuality is illegal, that could be really damaging. I mean, that's like these systems are flawed, right? Because they're already going to have the biases of the people who the developers who program the AI or the algorithms. rhythms right even with that uh facial gay or straight uh ai like the the pictures they used to show that someone was quote-unquote gay were like ones they took off like tinder or sites like where it wasn't these these weren't just like photos of like someone's driver's license someone who identified as a homosexual it would they were like pictures from like pride events and certain things like that and like nightlife so it was already i think there were facial shots that

were used on dating sites so that they could like specifically identify like what your sexual preference was. Right. And but even then, that's a very specific subset. Right. People who are single looking to attract a mate or whatever. That's not. So, again, even then, you know, it starts this slippery slope of like the new physiognomy

of, you know, after that, then they're going to be able to say like, oh, let's put all, you know, minorities through this thing and determine who's a criminal. And they've tried that before. And it's very deeply flawed. Right. about this technology is that, uh, if you have, you know, white men at the controls of the AI,

then you're going to inherently get their biases because they're controlling, you know, what data is getting input into the algorithms in the first place. Um, yeah. So it's fucking terrifying. Something to keep an eye on, I guess.

The good news is this same technology is giving you the app that will tell you your height in pancakes. So people are very excited. Right. So it's going to have some fun applications to cake height. Awesome. Well, Dana, I think that's all the time we have you for. But thank you so much for joining us. We're going to come back after this break

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Thanks for having me. Hey, we're thrilled to have you. So we wanted to talk to you about TV titles. That's what you pitched us and we said yes to. A little behind the scenes for people. That's how that works. Yeah, that's how it works. I was actually at a party last week and I didn't know anyone there.

And I met a guy and I was like, what do you do? And I can't tell you what he did because I can't remember the show he works on because it started with the good. And then there was a third word in the title. And he was like, oh, I worked for the good blank. And I was like, oh, not the good wife or the good fight or the good doctor or the good cop or the good place. He was like, no, that's a hilarious joke that everyone says about my job and so i wanted to figure out why that's the only title uh people use for shows anymore right and i started by looking to see the years they're on the air the networks they're on they're producers

and they're like writers and creators and there's no overlap which is the most frustrating thing in the world um so do you know do you have an idea like how many shows with that kind of name are we talking about here um the uh so it started with the good wife in 2009 and that was on the air till 2016 and has a spin-off so their creators their producers all that the network is cbs that's all the same It's the good wife and then the good fight. Cause everyone's like, give Christine Bransky her own TV show, please.

And America was like, yes, do it. And they did. And so that makes sense. But then from 2016 to this year to 2017, three more, the goods have popped up the good place,

which is in its second season, the good doctor, which is in its first and the good cop, which hasn't even premiered yet, but a little, a little bit about it. which is in its second season, The Good Doctor, which is in its first, and The Good Cop, which hasn't even premiered yet, but a little bit about it. Amaya says this show will star Tony Danza as a, quote, disgraced former NYPD officer who never followed the rules,

which I'm really excited for. That seems like a show that exists, like a show inside a TV show, that they'd be like, yeah, it's Tony Danza as a cop. Disgraced cop. Yeah. I think I'm going to say he was a disgraced former child actor. That'd be gross good though. I assumed those were all spinoffs of one another. So you're telling me the good place does not take place in the same universe as The Good Wife? No. The Good Wife is a CBS political drama that's not even, that just, I guess, last year went off the air. I mean, do we think it could just be the bankrupt creativity of the TV industry? ABC News and the way that they like picked shots is they knew that their executive producer liked really cliched shots from movies.

And so they would like have they would always get what no matter what the story is, they would get an establishing shot of like the moon coming out from behind clouds just because like they knew that the executive producer liked that. And I've noticed that since, that TV shows are really sort of redundant and derivative of one another. It's basically your job is to find other stuff that works and then just replicate that. Yeah, they're all variations on a theme. Right. Yeah, and even though these shows are all different,

I do feel like there's some safety in keeping the name of the show super vague so that it's so appealing that it almost means nothing. So it has almost the capability to appeal to every single person. The Good Place is as generic a phrase as you could possibly get. It could have been called The Nice Show. Right. generic uh phrase as you could possibly get that's like it could be just called the nice show right i was noticing back uh when the cracked podcast started there was this uh online college called lisa and i was like well that's weird that it's called lisa like is it named after its uh founder and no there was no information on why it was called Lisa. It went out of business, and then almost immediately afterwards, a mattress company launched called Lisa Mattresses,

and they spelled it differently, but they were both advertising on podcasts. And I just have to assume that there is some market research firm that is out there telling these companies the two syllables, lee and suh, make people want to buy things. So do that. Presumably it's the same firm that's saying people hear the good blank insert noun and want to learn more about that thing or watch TV or whatever. There is actually, when I was trying to come up with the name for this show,

which was like a three-week nightmare of a process, I found this firm that apparently has named all different things. That is their job is they name things they named blackberry they named the subaru outback the apple power book febreze pay pass so like they just come up with like really simple names that like they're really good at coming up with those names and i guess if you're not good at coming up with those names. And I guess if you're not good at coming up with names, you end up doing something that's somewhat derivative. So I don't know that it's necessary how well it's working,

but based on how well the good doctor has done it, I'd have to assume super well, like this tactic of vagary is, I don't know, doing it? Yeah, there hasn't been a flop yet. The Good Place is in its second season, and it's one of the first NBC sitcoms in a while to get a second season. Have people tried just The Better Doctor? Right, The Best.

The Better Person. The Better Place. I thought about that, too, but then that's when I started diving deep into, okay, but what does good mean? And I was like oh so they're just like exceptional it's just like an exceptional doctor but no he's not he's just good like right there's plenty of good it's okay he's a good doctor i guess i mean the i think we can just chalk this up to this is one of the great hollywood mysteries like, has no explanation. Like, why all James Cameron movies start with T or A, other than him being a pervert.

And why Bruce Willis on every movie poster has his head cocked exactly 15 degrees to the side. It's really weird if you look at all his posters next to each other. Maybe that's all one picture that he just sends. And they just use... Right. There's probably just one secret, brilliant firm behind all of this. They just have been phoning it in the entire year of 2017, and I cannot blame them.

Awesome. Taylor, thank you so much for your investigative report and the TV titles. Uh, where can people follow you? I can follow me on Twitter at Taylor underscore Ortega. Awesome. Uh, and Miles, where can people follow you? Oh, you can follow me, uh, on Twitter and Instagram at miles of gray. You can follow me at jack__obrien. You can follow us at Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter, at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram, on Facebook, The Daily Zeitgeist.

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