The Daily Zeitgeist - The First WeekTrender of November 11/6: Trumpdictment, Gaza, Israel, The Simpsons, Marks & Spencer

Episode Date: November 6, 2023

In this edition of The First WeekTrender of November, Jack and Miles discuss their respective weekends, a Trumpdictment update and his almost assured return to the White House, more news on the Gaza Invasion, the Simpsons going woke, and Marks & Spencer's controversial new Christmas ad! 1. With the world on fire, a cowardly, timid news media is a threat to U.S. democracy (inquirer.com)See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's week season 312. 312, 312. Shout out Chicago. Hey, there we go. Yep. How do the big cities get all the best area codes? Is it because they were the first ones to the area code

to need them what do you mean like 312 213 um 212 is new york yeah three is la there's 414 616 in chicago yeah there's i don't i don't i don't know i've never really thought of him like man that's a good area code man i get that it just feels like it's like the first ones you would come up with yeah you know like much in the same way like like i'm i'm repping the 818 but it's not like because i'm like and that shit is like the objectively a really good combo of numbers that's just the name of the area code so i'll just yell that out i mean yeah yeah but i don't know Let us know if you are an expert in area code distribution. I grew up in the 513 in Dayton, Ohio. So shout out to 513.

What was it in Wheeling, West Virginia? I don't, I was, you know, under the age of six. So I was not using the phone all that much. All right. All right. I also, I feel like that was at a time when everybody I knew was close enough that you never had to know the area code. You just had to holler out your window, huh?

Yeah, exactly. I get that, man. America's changed. It was echoed down into the gulch, down into the holler. That's why they call it that, man. It's the holler. Hell yeah. All right.

Well, we are going to get into some of the things that are happening i believe donald trump is uh on the on the stand as we're recording this um we'll talk about that we'll talk about uh all sorts of bad news all manners of news good and bad and in between but before we get to any of that we do, uh, let our guests get to know us a little bit better and tell them what we're guests. Huh? You let our listeners. Um,

so I like that. Maybe I should start. You are our guests here. Maybe I should start with my overrated because, uh, I think it'll explain why words are being misplaced and substituted. Um, my overrated is getting that extra hour of sleep.

Uh, the, the fallback uh yes we get to sleep in tomorrow morning this is um you know it gets me every time it lures me in i'm like ah we'll get an extra hour this weekend all my problems are over um but this is all over only true for people who wake up to an alarm clock which has not been true of me for close to a decade certainly hasn't been true uh since my kids have been around and my kids just wake up when their bodies tell them to and now their bodies tell them to wake up at 5 a.m instead of 6 a.m yeah um and there you are dad dad there your asses what the fuck yeah did you do the thing where you you you went to bed later on saturday night because you're like we get that hour full well knowing you're not getting no fucking extra hour yeah i think we did do that a little bit i did that too yeah yeah yeah i'm

you know i even i'm trying to think too like last year even before the baby was born like it wasn't quite hitting the same it hasn't really because as i got older like my fucking circadian like they're just like it just works like it's just like yeah bro you're up like i'm sorry like i don't care if it's fucking six or you have three extra hours like you're up sorry to tell you this but you're up for the rest of the morning and then like anytime i try and fight it and like stay in bed then it's just like anxiety hour yeah you know it's just like oh you just lay in there and your brain is going and your body is not and yeah exactly oh the worst not my best moment yeah just the worst fucking up dude this is how

you want to leave your kids man yeah what maybe you know what i should do i should check twitter oh god in bed maybe that'll like give me some good ideas um and instead it's just yeah so yeah don't don't i'm tired not doing great from a mental health perspective. But it's Monday. And it's time to make the donuts. You know what I'm saying? Time to make the donuts. You know, fuck your life. It's time to make the donuts.

That's right. That's what my mother always said on a Monday morning. Which you're over, Miles. Overrated. Allow me to fucking put my rabid sports fan cap on for a moment and just say video refereeing technology is absolutely overrated especially if you don't fucking use it um now i'm talking about this in this specifically uh about obviously in the context of my beloved arsenal football club uh but like soccer football has embraced video technology

to like help refs make on-field decisions because sometimes the ref can only look one way people are doing dirty shit behind their back and sometimes it ends up in a no call and people like y'all can't miss this kind of shit or goal line technology that says like did the ball fully cross the line did it go out of bounds things like that that would help adjudicate on-field decisions uh but like in over the last this season especially that just started in august there's been like weekly critical errors where the uh organization that like sort of represents the um officials of the game are like just giving apologies they're like oh sorry about that definitely shouldn't have been a goal oh my god and i know you guys lost because

of that but that oh that's kind of on us and i was like oh sorry we missed that horrible foul that definitely should have been a red card oh god we hate we just hate that and just like you're getting apologies for like yeah very high stakes matches and fans are just getting like so fucking fed up but like i'm it's really i'm i'm only just sort of you know up in arms right now because over the weekend like arsenal was on the receiving end of some terrible fucking calls like i'm just going to show you one jack you don't even have to see like understand soccer to know that like one of our players just got fucking decked in the back of his head with an elbow and they're around ref was just a no call and like their video assistant referee

is help made to like prevent this kind of shit well that's this guy Bruno Guimarães is about to throw an elbow boom right there okay now let's slow that down so you can see from other not subtle at all just take that shit to your head and people were like

yeah that's um maybe that's violent conduct but there's like this there's a tension i feel like where there's like the human arrogance involved where the officials are having trouble reconciling their own human errors that are like as clear as day that the video shows that so then like we're just seeing moments are like they just ignore the video and then just back the decision on the field. You're like, what the fuck is the point of having these extra objective eyes if you won't use them?

Right. Thank you for that presentation, by the way. I was going to stand up in a room with a pointer. He's dressed fully in a suit. Thank you. No hat, everything. Here's a replica of the suit worn by

kevin costner in jfk he's pointing okay you picked up on that yeah that was very subtle um how are they fucking up the like whether the ball has crossed the plane thing isn't that that feels like that's just straightforward technologically they'll do things like okay so there's a for an example there's a manchester united player named marcus rashford who like the ball crossed the line and like the angles were like kind of inconclusive from you could say like i could see it go either way they backed the refs and they're like it's they're like nope that's clearly out of bounds yeah and then this week a ball went out and they're like oh it's kind of inconclusive but the refs are like that app

there's like sorry man there's not enough evidence inconclusive. But the reps are like that app. There's like, sorry, man, there's not enough evidence to say conclusively. So you're just like left with, well, what, what version is it? Like it's conclusive when you don't have all the angles.

And when you do, it's not. So what the fuck is it going to be? Yeah. So it's just like, it's just wild too, because like what they do is they, they will release the audio of like,

there's like a whole video refereeing app or like a truck like a center where they like like they're communicating with the referee on the field like like looking at all these monitors and they release the radio chatter where you can hear them deliberate it and there was like this one goal that happened in a liverpool match a few weeks ago where they're like i think that's that that's that's a goal and they're like yeah but he counted it it's it And they're like, yeah, but he counted it. He said it's a no goal. It's like, yeah, but it went in. And you hear them.

He's like, it's too late now. He blew the whistle. So they already kicked it off. So I guess we're just going to have to count it. And you're like, what the fuck? Just stop the fucking. If it's a goal, stop the game. So they just look foolish at every end.

And it's just interesting to see how like technology is like at first being like this will help make things better and now you're like it's somehow even fucking worse than when you didn't have it like fine whatever yeah it i i've noticed with with basketball and football when sometimes it becomes like a philosophical question. Like it breaks down into like, well, what is the intent of the rule? And like, you need to have like philosophical discussions about it.

It's, it's really interesting that like the closer you look at a given play, like the more it just like breaks down. It really is. And you're like, what is out of bounds? And at that moment, how much, cause like it's defined, and you're like what is out of bounds and at that moment how much because like it's defined you know like it's interesting i feel like in football it's like when you break the plane you it's like it doesn't have to be anything else you have to break the

plane with the ball like with soccer the ball has to be completely over the line for it to be out of bounds so like it can look like the center of the ball that is actually contacting the ground on the other side of the line might just be close enough that the edge of the ball is technically like still on the same plane yeah um and it and it lends itself to a lot of interesting debates but yeah anyway and even though like baseball did we just talk about the how like umpires are like we didn't actually get to that story the strike zone is just like completely uh subjective essentially and they're just like yeah but like it's tittable it's like oh i thought i thought there was this like objective box that the ball had

not really not really yeah really um get the robots in here uh my underrated science fairs oh i had heard tell of these but like my family growing up i guess was not big science fair family wait did you never do didn't you have to do them for school like you didn't do a school science fair like you had to get your little i guess we did and maybe it was just that the school science fair that we did at the time was like somewhat half-assed um like where where i was at that stage but so we had to be on at ucla yesterday and for a thing with my seven-year-old and there was a science fair going on uh put on by like ucla's various science departments and it was really fucking cool it was just like oh so it's like ucla science fair oh yeah yeah yeah but like they it's like the scientists who work in all these different labs and shit are challenged to come up with stuff with i guess students because it seemed like there were like undergrads

manning the booth as well and like right they are challenged to come up with stuff that would be cool for kids. And they didn't always succeed, but the ones that succeeded. There was this one that started out as just one of the booths and eventually took over the whole science fair where it was just taking a film canister. The little cylindrical film canisters cylindrical yeah black with a gray top yeah they have like a top that kind of sticks on pretty well because you don't want it to open up and expose your film um thank you and then you put a half an alka seltzer and then pour a little water like make sure the lid's on tight shake it up and then just like put it lid facing down oh yeah and then watch it just explode up into the sky and it never got old like every kid who did it felt like they were

discovering something like even though they were in a line like 20 deep yeah watching it happen over and over it happened repeatedly wait i can't wait yeah yeah and then they got to do it and every single time everyone's like oh it was so dope um and then there were they also had like solar telescopes set up and so i got to i think for the first time in my life like i think i i got to look directly at the sun which is what i was missing i mean you've been doing that but like right but in a way that like didn't blind me for the next three to four days um but yeah i got to just stare at the sun you could see the little like waves coming off of it and yeah sun see the corona saw the corona bro oh you can does it is it on one side like does the sun rotate i don't know shit bro like it is it always visible like you gotta visibly like i'm sure if it if it was time lapse um where i was not able to turn my brain into time

lapse at the moment but sure sure yeah it was really cool shout out to ucla's science department coming back around again yeah for the people of the sun yeah um so that that's my underrated if you can you can go to like a science fair at a local college or something i have even as an adult it'll fuck you up yeah i remember when i was super into it when i used to do like videos for wired magazine and just would like visit labs or like they would show us stuff i was just always blown away when they're like i did one where we were like it was like the science of fireworks about like how you get how you get a blue spark or whatever and just went to this chemistry lab at ucla where there's like mixing shit i'm like oh my god and he's like

do you need to have sound i'm like it's fine there's gonna be no sound so i can audibly yeah fucking gasp at all the cool shit do you need to leave the room sir the flame went green then blue what the fuck well it's just because of the the chemicals we're using i know but how you do that forget it i don't know what that means it's magic um what's your underrated underrated let's see oh you know what biking just i'm gonna i've said it once i'll say it again i'll say it many times the first reason is because welcome to the dad cast uh the guy's child is now old enough to be in one of those bike seats and that you throw on back uh so we did a nice casual ride but then later on uh my mom came through and was watching him and so we were going to go to a

friend's birthday party uh and went to a spot that normally takes like about 15 minutes to drive we're like fuck it man let's fucking ride bikes there we got lights and shit like high vis whatever like we're good even if it's dark we'll like we'll be fine yeah and it's just the most i just can't tell you it's so enjoyable and biking has been one of those things i've dreaded because as a kid growing up in LA, like biking in LA was basically doing like live action Frogger on a bike, except I'm like 10 years old and almost dying. So like, I always had a healthy, like, are there like, if there's bike lanes and infrastructure, I'm all in, but like sometimes on the LA streets, I'm not, I'm not as courageous, but now there's

so many ways to like map a route so you don't like can avoid super busy streets and biking through places that you normally just wouldn't be on a bike because like you're taking like these main roads and shit in a car like it's such a good way to like engage with your community or at least visually see like where you live in a way that just isn't possible in a car um and it's nice you put a little have your little bluetooth speaker play some jams have a nice chat take some like quiet streets so you don't have to worry about fucking cars flying at you and being like completely unsafe so i just want to challenge everybody listening if you're able to like and you have all the equipment you need and shit just like swap out a place you normally drive to and just ride your bike.

Or take a city bike or whatever. It doesn't have to be a fucking ridiculous distance, but something that's normal to you. Try the bike version. I don't know. It feels good. It feels good. To your point about mental health, I need to move my body sometimes to feel better and feel like the air on my face and shit and yeah a good salve one of the best yeah changes your whole inner geography like you know your brain there's a cool thing that the brain does

on like without us really noticing is like make the map of the world around you but i feel like when you're just hopping in your car even if you are doing the driving it's like just i get in car here and show up here but like when you ride your bike or like walk or you know do something like that it's a whole different it's good to have that variety oh yeah and also like i feel like when you drive like when i'm on the freeway i'm like shit on the other side of the freeway wall might as well not exist because I'm just traversing through here. It's not real to me. And you do ride your bike on the freeway sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The lights on your bike, you've said, are designed by the same people who design lighthouses. Exactly, exactly. It does, unfortunately, I guess, blind other drivers. Clears out the whole path path everyone's just pulling over and closing their eyes sounds like an insurance scam to me man there's just time to fucking get that insurance money but to your point about like biking in urban areas like some of the memory like when i am lying in bed and in the morning or at night when you know sleep isn't coming so one of the things that i think about often is like

yeah i can't believe i didn't die there um and it's a lot of things i did while i was like drunk or something but uh also riding my bike in new york city and like being in between a car and a bus that is like drifting over and i've got like my arm on the bus, like kind of knocking. Hey, yeah. Um, yeah. Uh,

so be careful out there, but it is. Yeah. It can be really lovely. Yeah. It can be really lovely. True. True words.

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All reports from inside the courtroom indicate that he is being exactly what you would expect. He's being bad. Paying attention to him for the past decade or so. He's just combative, evasive when it comes to answering any questions. Completely impossible to control. It's kind of amazing that we're still in this rhythm.

We're heading in the mainstream coverage. This is historical wondering if he'd like take the fifth or approach the judge, like on the judge's terms basically. Um, but he's been, he's just every chance he has to testify. Like he ignores the question and just like rants about how rich he is.

It's like in a, in a trial where it's like, this guy inflates his own value, um, in a way that is illegal and fraudulent. He's just doing that on the stand. Like our other things, like when they're talking about like these financial statements,

he's like, like, I mean, look, it says it's a worthless statement clause. So these aren't really documents banks paid attention to and the judge has been like i've already told you that that is not an actual excuse or defense in here so i don't know what the reason is you're saying it and so that's the kind of shit he's doing he's just like i don't care i don't give a fuck um this is my reality um

you can try and fucking alter it but this is what i'm saying and i don't know i don't care if it doesn't make sense or is even legally viable as a defense at this point yeah and it's just in the same way that he challenged what a mainstream political candidate could get away with saying and just being like openly racist and everyone's like well that'll sink him and it doesn't like he's doing that in a courtroom with like the judge like he's attacking the judge and claiming it's all a big plot against him it like and the judge has like issued an order to that he like shouldn't attack that he can't like attack him and the judge is keeps being like you lawyers you better control your client or i will but then like and do what exactly it's a real and do what and do what for what the

judge says uh not to say a thing trump says the thing the judge seems frustrated and then they take a recess and come back and since they came back from the break quote judge arthur engoran has appeared more restrained in his criticisms of Trump. He has stayed silent for most of Trump's testimony. Right. So, yeah. He's basically treating it like a political rally. And, I don't know. This is at a time when we'll, I guess, keep talking about this.

But there's polling out that suggests that he is like on on his way path to victory on his way home to white home yeah or house uh yeah i mean it's interesting to see like how i don't know if they're trying to do this too like maybe you know obviously incite the judge to try and get to try and appeal and be like this judge was just hostile to us the whole right i mean like look at him look at him i mean obviously we provoked him but like that's i feel like it probably another potential last ditch legal strategy is to try and just get the judge to blow up and then how are we ever going to get a fair trial with this dude responding to our provocations like this um so yeah i don't know but yes it's it's a judge like the judge is determining what happens here it's not a jury trial so he's not like out here proving a point to a jury he's like kind of

sparring with the guy who's ultimately going to make the decision here and i guess he's just trying to undermine the credibility of that decision ultimately but um this was kind of the first time that i was like oh yeah none of none of the stuff like when people are being like wait so he'll be elected president and sentenced to jail time and it's like he's not gonna do like he will flagrantly use his power and influence to avoid going to prison like it will just be a complete undermining of the judicial system like that's yeah but like this is we've already said to like in you know his judge like one of his lawyers was like he has a secret service he can't go to jail or whatever like sort of making it seem like the the secret service would prevent him from like being taken away to jail it's more so like

reconciling what do you do when someone has secret service protection for life and then they have to go to jail yeah do they do they join the nortenos gang prison gang to be part of his protection detail i don't know we don't know but yeah those kinds of questions white house arrest yeah exactly like what the fuck is it and yeah the polling we'll get to that in a second but yeah i mean one detail that like that there was a headline that was like a new york times article that was like a conviction might sink trump um and then when you like look at the numbers of this latest polling that is like dismal for biden it's like a six% swing. 6% of voters about, like across all these polls, are

like, yeah, I might switch to Biden if Trump gets convicted. But like 6%, it's like such a small number, and you're assuming that they're actually going to stick to it. There it is. Got him. Got his ass. Finally. I don't know if you saw

this. They don't give a fuck where he is or what he does they liked what he stands for he want they want him to bring on the ethno state yeah that's what they're fucking with yeah so again like we said unless he becomes anti-ethno state suddenly this is not gonna do shit yeah oh man but we'll see man we'll see we'll see we'll see i mean it would be interesting because at a certain point i'm sure that like the media like even right-wing media would try and figure out like is this actually the best thing like do we just try and have this guy be like hey man we gotta vote for him he's gonna go to jail or be like this is like what how are we gonna fucking do anything y'all? But I don't think they care. We've seen where their heads are at.

Hey, one day at a time. One day at a time. It's going to be weird. Elsewhere, not in the US, just so much horrifying news coming out of Gaza. But one truly horrific absurdity from this weekend uh that is worth mentioning is the israeli heritage minister uh was asked in an interview about a hypothetical nuclear option and responded that's one way uh which even like mainstream israeli broadcasters were like wait what the fuck did you just say you said there's a nuclear option?

There's one way to, I mean, it could be. I mean, it's to the point where like, even then Yahoo's office, like they'd like, they hooked them. They're like, okay, now this guy's gone. He didn't know what he's talking about. He doesn't need to say anything anymore out loud. Yeah.

And then this dude tried to backpedal and said his comment was metaphorical. Right. And he's like, it was metaphor, i said metaphorically drop an atom bomb on me and i'm like is this one of the few times that saying it was metaphorical as a defense is actually worse right because they are metaphorically already doing that in terms of like the tonnage of explosions that are being dropped on gaza already yeah yeah right exactly like what the 2500 some ton or 25 000 tons of explosives that have already been dropped equals two nuclear bombs yeah and i'm like what are you saying like i don't want to literally use an atom bomb on innocent palestinians but it's like a nice metaphor to describe how i desire to kill massive amounts of innocent civilians yes like what the fuck yeah just

indiscriminate yeah it's wild and then then after that uh like after this guy was suspended uh net yahoo's office is like saying like you know the idf is quote operating in accordance with the highest standards of international law holy shit are you for real right now because all these experts on international law are saying that you guys are running completely afoul of of those norms yeah um but here we are and then like you know just sort of to bring the focus back to the U S right. We're still seeing like retribution against people that are vocally opposed to Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign. Like two writers at the New York times surprise were ousted for signing an open letter that condemned the ongoing genocidal actions of the Israeli government.

Yeah. And it's like sort of against this backdrop there was a really good opinion piece in the philadelphia inquire actually that we'll link to in the footnotes um that's kind of encapsulates a lot of i feel like what we talk about on this show about like the media is unable to contend with anything that's happening right now like at all and it's honestly costing us what's left of you know this so-called quote-unquote american democracy whatever this is but like if speaking truth to power is the is the reason to be forced to resign from a newspaper we might as well just let trump move into the white house now

right like mainstream media can barely say words like white supremacy or call racist actions racist without cowering in fear of right-wing backlash and we've trump has made it clear if when he is in power again he will go scorched earth on everything like the media activist groups district attorneys judges and he hasn't hid the fact that he and his allies are preparing like groups of craven lawyers to do exactly that. That's what his entire career has been, is just attacking anybody who opposes him in court. Exactly. So it would just be a complete clusterfuck. And currently, the media can't even bring itself to use words like ethnic cleansing.

And this is when human rights groups and experts in the very subject are screaming at the top of their lungs that these atrocities are at the very least war crimes yes if not the textbook definition of ethnic cleansing right and that's but then you'll see like you know again just sort of like this back and forth like the both sidesing of it like but sometimes they'll use the word like the words of these human rights groups to paint like an adversary of the u.s to be like and that's why they're bad and sanctions and fighting right but in this sense let's just completely ignore everything um right so i don't know i mean like the push like i don't know how the media will push back against a full-on uh fascist takeover of the government if they can't even like use the right words to describe things or push back on anything right now the washington post wrote a puff piece on speaker mike johnson

like we told you this guy is from the cave era of like christian norms okay like it's not even like there's like no he thinks the world is six thousand years old yeah and him and his son there was like leaked audio about how him and his son use that app covenant eyes to make sure nobody's they actually i saw that they like he talked about how they kind of compare notes on like not masturbating all the time how they're doing great we're both not just stroking it just jack we're doing great hey dad just checking in hope you're good i haven't jacked off yet yep all right love you son don't jack off dad um but like this piece in the washington post is called quote house speaker mike johnson's louisiana hometown guided by faith and family

oh cool this is wow these guys are christofascists yeah but we're doing this whole thing of like oh and it's like quaint and he's like he doesn't like yell a lot so it's okay um so i just think it's really bad because i think the mainstream perspective especially in the u.s is to just ignore everything that is going wrong with the united states yeah like that's why biden's polls are in the shitter right now and his own advisors and other like you know consultants like on the big D Democratic campaign machine are saying shit like, oh, the second term's in the bag already. Don't worry about these polls. Don't worry about these polls. It's in the fucking bag.

And you're just like, what planet are y'all on? Yeah. yeah it's it really like i saw some of the like crooked guys coming coming forward and being like well no i think i think there's a lot of work to do but like we just need to remind him of like remind everybody of his accomplishments and stuff like that but just like totally ignoring or how scary the trump we got to remind people how scary the trump presidency is going to be that is so cynical right you know to not to completely ignore people who are like i don't know like i also see some people see their vote as like a part of their like like they're endorsing the morality of a candidate or something

you know what i mean like that that's how they're tied to things but they don't see that happening um i just don't i really it's just really scary like whether or not you know you want to vote for biden to think that you can look at everything that's happening in the united states and have the tone be like we're good babe we're good here guys yeah that is definitely not going to help people who want biden to have another term at all you know what i mean um it's just like so wild like you know it's like they don't want to acknowledge again that this country like they'd we would rather put the emphasis on like students that made a fundraiser for their sick teacher rather than acknowledge

how broken our health care system is and how how underpaid the very people we're counting on to educate our kids are or they want to ignore that we're a party to genocide right now or they want to ignore that we will let our children die from gun violence and do fuck all about it and they want to ignore violent inequality it's like they just i mean it feels like they don't want to get their hands dirty with like talking about that shit yeah but the fact is most of us are already in the muck so just fucking acknowledge it rather than do this like rhetorical gaslighting, because that's not this like it's in the bag. Talk is such a such a smack in the face to people who really need help, who really need things to change urgently. Yeah. In terms of like what?

Because David Axelrod, who is like one of Obama's's like main campaign advisor people is like saying that biden shouldn't run but like the democratic party in general like who are they advocating instead of biden because they're not no one said anything right like so it's just you know other than that it's like you know cornell west is running as a third party person and that that's already going to that's already going to I don't know who knows like what what attack mode they go into because we've seen what happens when progressives people who are to the left of like a Democratic candidate. What happens there? The media treatment is there. Yeah. I mean, it's truly one of those things where it's like, I think a lot of people are trying to figure out how are they going to use their leverage as voters to try and get something to work in the right way.

Right. And a lot of people feel very cynical right now. And it doesn't help when you have like the people who are like whispering into the president's ear, like, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Don't worry. These are just haters. These are just haters. These are just haters. don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.

Don't worry. These are just haters. These are just haters. These are just haters. But like, you know, I'm, I've,

I've a feeling in the next month, you're going to see more and more pieces being written up about, is it bad for Biden right now? You know, like progressive outlets have been saying that, but I'm, it's like going to get to the point where like with this polling now, this has been like a huge news piece where everyone's like,

holy shit. Like he's leading in the five swing states that you need. Staring down the barrel of another Trump presidency. Right. And then, and then, but then you see like a lot of the mainstream coverage is to be like, well,

people just got to be reminded how bad it will be with Trump. Right. But yeah, uh, I'm, I'm sorry because, because the, the mass shootings went away since the biden administration

yeah because like medical debt has like been completely erased because of joe biden right and i get that there are things that are improving but that's the whole point of being a voter and having a vote they're courting your support so if you say i actually need these things and you're ignored that's not good that's not a winning strategy. Yeah. I feel like their answer is going to ultimately be to like replace Kamala Harris with somebody else on the ticket, you know, like just blame it on her.

Oh my God. That would be so textbook. That was to the point that it makes you want to die. Party is going to do. Yeah. Yeah. Just blame this woman of color for this guy's failures as a president or perceived failures. I'm like, textbook that was to the point that it makes you want to die party is gonna do yeah yeah just blame this woman of color for this guy's failures as a president yeah or perceived failures i'm like

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and Milhouse is there and cowering in fear. Oh, no. Yeah. I don't know. It's pretty crazy. It never went away, which is kind of funny. I think it's always been a thing. People are like,

is that? We're still doing that? Choking to the point that your tongue is coming out of your mouth like it does whenever they depict that in the simpsons yeah but like now they on the show now they're like saying it out loud that it's done yeah in a recent episode someone compliments homer's firm grip and he responds uh c-mar strangling the boy paid off and then adds just kidding i don't do that anymore times have changed um oh which which almost feels times have changed that's weird because first of all time hasn't changed within the show uh yeah i have aged from being bart's age to older than Homer since the beginning of the show. Right?

Isn't he in his 30s? I think he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And pop culture references have gone through like, you know, hundreds of cycles, multiple, like seven presidential administrations. But the characters within the show have remained the same age. Oh, okay.

Someone has actually pointed out he was 34 in the early episodes okay 36 in season four wow um 38 and 39 in season eight and then 10 years later in season 18 became 40 okay oh so maybe he is aging a little bit but at a at a rate i can't even do the math like i don't know even understand the proportions based on per season at this point. It's like, you age two years in one season, and then ten years, or you aged one year after ten seasons? Yeah. How does it convert to, like, dog years? It feels like the opposite of dog years.

Yeah, someone's, like, age, like, oak trees. at that point trees like if homer has aged six years from the early episodes up to season 18 then it then i feel that i'm really sorry i think maggie has some kind of she might need some help she might need to see for sure and the other kids she's still small like they're in the same grade essentially right like it's not like they've uh bart has hit puberty or anything. But yeah, I don't know. I'm sure there's a good fan theory about the purgatory that they all exist inside. So hit us up, Zeitgang,

if you know of some good theory. But yeah, so they've been struggling with this one for a while. All the way back in season 22, there was an episode in which Paul Rudd tries to cure Homer of his abusive ways. And it just like,

didn't work. Cure Homer. Yeah. Cure them of their, oh, poor Paul. Um, but it's caused,

of course, people to jokingly say that the Simpsons has gone woke. And then a lot of other people saying the exact same thing, but completely seriously. Yeah. The Simpsons has gone woke. then a lot of other people saying the exact same thing but completely seriously yeah the simpsons has gone woke so um yeah it's funny because there's so many people who like real simpsons fans are just being using the sarcasm of like oh can't believe it my simpsons has gone woke and then other people were like you see see these takes on Twitter, like is, I guess the Simpsons are about to go broke. Right.

Because they've gone woke. And then you're like, okay, cool. American flag emojis in your display name. Yeah. And then there is a British Christmas commercial. I guess this is like a tradition that, uh, where are you familiar with Marks and Spencer? Oh, MNS. Absolutely.

Absolutely. Absolutely. So this is like the main department retailer, department store in England? They've got it all. They've got it all. Marks and Spencer, they've got it all. They've got food. You can buy clothing. You can buy, I don't know why I became Trump.

You can buy kids' school uniforms. They got it all. They got it all. school uniforms like you know that all they got it off they got it yeah so the ad i and i guess like around this time their equivalent of the mariah carey you know viral video where she is broken free from a block of ice like encino man like the these ads that announced the beginning of christmas and uh this one this year's christmas ad features stars like ted lasso's hannah waddingham and Queer Eye's Tan France ditching conventional Christmas trends like party hats and gingerbread houses by shredding and blowtorching them.

They did not pile drive Santa or anything like that, but it felt like that's where it was headed. But people are reacting. They're like, this is an abomination. It's just interesting that they're able to pull. It feels like a very calculated attempt to troll the right wing on a thing that the right will make a big deal about. But real people don't give a shit. You don't faint if you see a Santa hat go into a wood chipper. Right.

And the main thing that they're arguing against, like Elf on a Shelf really takes a beating in this one. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. Which I think they're on point with their feeling that people are tired of Elf on a Shelf. And it's also not one of the old Christmas traditions. The other ones that they go after,

maybe they are Christmas traditions in the US, um and it's also like not one of the old christmas traditions the other ones that they go after that i maybe they are christmas traditions in the u.s but i i was not aware that they were so uh board games i guess like yeah there's you know you're with family so there's board games but i never thought of it as explicitly a christmas tradition um charades oh oh yeah I feel like I see that in depictions of the holidays and British dramas I've seen. Party hats. The paper party hats I was familiar with.

But, yeah. And then Elf on a Shelf comes in for it and gets... And what the whole thing is, I'm guessing the thrust of the commercial is like, yeah, man, because it's 2023 and like we can do christmas all kinds of fucking ways you don't have to play charades with your aunt yeah it's basically like these celebrities getting fed up with these very specific traditions it's kind of a mess to be honest with you like it's

just they're they're doing the christmas thing and then they just like decide to light one of their christmas decorations on fire and it's not clear like which ones they're saying are good and which ones they're saying are bad i think the point is like i like this one and i don't like this one and i should be allowed to um destroy the ones that I don't like and be like kind of cranky and scroogey about other people. Right. Yeah. Oh, man.

Well, I mean, I feel like just if you want to do a commercial that speaks to the real spirit of Christmas, just show how nobody actually gives a fuck about Jesus. Right. You know, and just lean into that. Like me, I'm being nice because i want a kitchen knife or like i want a nintendo the what i don't know it's just about having this crap yeah uh but yeah man i don't know i every just that's that's the beauty of this these weird ass holidays that are like vaguely religious that have just been taken over by consumerism is like

just do whatever the fuck you want, man. Yeah. Do you have a Christmas holiday that you're ready to see go in the wood chipper? A Christmas tradition. Uh, sorry. Do you have a Christmas tradition that you're ready to see go on the wood

chipper? Yeah. Going to fucking church. Amen, brother. You know what I mean? Getting in the way of the Christmas gifts. Thank you.

Uh, but I opted out of that pretty quickly when I was a kid. don't know i mean honestly i think that's what's so funny is i think growing up in a non-traditional household i was never forced to do anything traditional so we always had our own weird ways of doing shit it was always like this hybrid black japanese christmas we would right it's like there would be like i'll go to my grandparents and i'll get a healthy dose of jesus over there right and then bring it on home and then you know my mom would have like we didn't have a tree so she put like lights on a fucking lamp that was like really tall oh really yeah because she's like do you want a tree i'm like i always said i was like is it presents she's like yeah we'll have presents i'm like then you

can put that shit under a mannequin i don't give a fuck um because for me i just caught right i just cut right to the chase i'm like give me gift i don't know about no nativity scene the three wise men none of that just let me have a gift and let me open one on christmas eve that would have probably been even more controversial if they had thrown an entire church into a wood chipper they probably hey if you want me to look guys i can write your right wing outrage bait like ads so easily uh and i'll do it for free y'all as long as you have the budgets to make them yeah all right well those are some of the things that are trending on this monday november 6th uh we are back tomorrow with a whole ass episode

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