The Daily Zeitgeist - The Golden Age of Medical Grifts (with Dr. Kaveh Hoda) 07.16.24

Episode Date: July 16, 2024

In episode 1708, Jack and Miles are joined by host of The House of Pod, Dr. Kaveh Hoda, to discuss… Developing Literacy In The Age of Medical Grifting, Are Health Supplements BS? Why Is Our Current Information Ecosystem So Bad? And more! LISTEN: Sun & Moon by BALTHVSSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

well i have you kavi what yeah does it look like i got anything going on my neck where are you for real because i can't all i see all i see is a neck and you don't understand that's like i get this all the fucking time so i can't even tell if you're joking or not but i know part of me i do this with anybody even but the second i meet a doctor i have for whatever reason my instinct is to annoy the fuck out of them. I'm like, oh man, can you check this out? Is this infected? I don't mind when people ask me questions,

medical questions. What drives me crazy is they'll ask me a question and I'll be like, yeah, I think that is something you need to go get taken care of. And they'll be like, no, I don't want to do that. I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. I think that is something you need to go get taken care of. No, I don't want to do that. I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one.

I was asking you to calm me down. And usually I do, but I'm like, yeah, that mole should be removed. Sometimes I'm going to say that. I'm like, no, I'm not going to do that. No, no, no. I'm the kind of guy who likes to roll the dice, Kaveh. So I appreciate your opinion. I'm going to go ahead and say that's just like your opinion.

Yeah. That's just like your medical opinion, man. And you are my fifth opinion on this one. Every medical opinion has said the same thing. All right. Were you talking to my other doctor, too? You guys are fucking with me right now. Fucking with me right now.

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July 16th? What the fuck? What happened? Wait, where was I? Dude, a lot happened. It was literally just June 27th, the last time I screamed. I know, I know. I know. I know. The debate was about to happen.

Well, look, July 16th. As we talk about how you're on to a black void. When I'm not actively recording this podcast, I just disappear into a black void. It's like, what's the Adam Scott show? Severance. Severance. Yeah, it's like Severance. I just go away. There you go.

I don't know where I've been. I was holding my breath the whole time. It's good to be back. Your skin looks remarkably good for holding your breath that long, I gotta say. But July 16th is Corn Fritters Day, so there's that. Also, for those of you

that can afford one, National Personal Chef Day. And also, shout out the personal chefs, too, for just doing what you do. Being out here, making those nice meals. Every time I hear about like, there's so many TikToks where it's like the day in the life of a personal chef. And it's like, I'm always like, damn, I wish I cooked better because they just seem like they're chilling. But also serving the most annoying people.

Yeah. Do they say who they serve? No, but they'll be like, they're doing personal chef weekend for an influencer retreat in Joshua Tree. And then it's like, everyone's super health conscious, so they're just eating chia seeds with salsa on top. It's like that kind of shit.

I cook for someone whose name rhymes with Sister Meest. And he's pretty cool. Sister Meest. I was hanging out with my 9 and 11 year old cousins and Sister Meese. Kind of a big deal with them. That took me a while

to figure. For a second it took me until I'm like Sissy Spacek? They swear to God that his chocolate bar is better than anyone's chocolate bar. That is straight up marketing. I had that shit on Halloween because I remember they were handing them out. And I was like, this is like, it feels like, you know, like fundraiser chocolate.

You know what I mean? That's what it tastes like. Oh, fundraiser chocolate is good as fuck. Fundraiser chocolate. That shit was good. No, but I mean, like, it's fine. But it's not like, you know, it's slightly different than the name brand shit. Yeah, yeah.

That's what I mean. You know what I mean? I don't know. The name brand though, sometimes. Like, now that you mentioned fundraiser chocolate, I'm back on board with the Mr. B. I got to try that Mr. That's what I mean. You know what I mean? I don't know. The name brand though, sometimes, like now that you mentioned fundraiser chocolate, I'm back on board with the Mr. Beast.

I got to try that Mr. Beast chocolate bar. I'm going to do an experiment. We'll see what our guest thinks about this idea. Only Mr. Beast endorsed calories for a week. Yep.

Supersize me. Mr. Beast me. My new experiment. Anyways, my name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Now some is jack o'brien aka now some of y'all might know this and some of y'all don't some of y'all use washcloths and some of y'all don't but if not you're jerking off with soap that one courtesy of jd salad bar a little throwback to before i left for a couple weeks jd salad bar on the discord

in reference to the time when a fellow basketball camper i told him i don't use a washcloth i just apply soap with my bare hand because i'm white and we are a broken people and he said in a room full of adolescent boys he responded so when you wash your dick, do you just jack off? And rather than being like, yeah, man, it feels good. Like, yeah, that's actually a good thing about what I do. My inter-Catholic guilt got me and I was just like, no, I don't wash my dick. Why couldn't you jerk off with a washcloth though I feel like you still could jerk off It could provide a different sensation

I don't see the problem Like all things that should have occurred to me But I just didn't Got you off guard man Anyways jerking off with Soak That was supposed to be let me clear my throat. I'm not sure if that was clear.

No, Oscar, baby. I hope you don't mind. Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Miles Gray, a.k.a. I've got covenant eyes. Internet history that I can't disguise. I've got covenant eyes. Let's keep my jerk in between you and I.

All right. Shout out to Blake Rogers on the Discord because we mentioned covenant eyes again last week. And it's funny. I said, I was actually singing to the tune of Betty Davis eyes, but you heard covenant eyes. And I said, you've got covenant eyes anyway. So shout out to that. But also if someone's got a Betty Davis eyes, covenant eyes, AKA. Dude, I got one hungry eye, one Betty Davis eye.

That's why I look so weird. Is hungry eyes Patrickrick swayze or no she's like the wind was patrick one of the one of the songs from dirty dancing she's like the wind is is the swayze okay pretty sure yeah and then hungry she's hungry eyes too wait what's her name? Jennifer Gray. Jennifer Gray. Yeah, right. Yeah. Anyways, we know whose eyes were hungry. We just don't know who was singing it. Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a physician, a musician, and a podcast-ition. Edition. You know, go with that. The host of the very fun, incredibly informative podcast, House of Pot, it's Dr. Kaveh Hoda!

Wow, thank you. This is, I have to say, I feel like I won a contest to be on the show. So thank you. And I feel, I have to say I'm sorry that I'm on your show on one of the biggest news weeks of the year. I'm so sorry that it's me. I'm so sorry. Nothing happened. We got that out of the way. We knocked that shit out yesterday. We're good. We are good here.

Yeah, mobility issues, things like that. But just to be clear, yeah, you should feel as an expert physician and a great podcast, you should feel very grateful to be on our dumb podcast. I do. That is entirely appropriate. I, oddly enough, do because imposter syndrome is super real. Okay. Yeah.

Thank you. Thank you for talking it up to that and not a real compliment. No, you guys are fantastic. You know what? I actually listen to your podcast. I bet you have a lot of guests that are too cool for school, and they come on, and they're podcasters, and they're like, don't actually listen. I actually listen to you guys. We appreciate it.

We listen to yours. No, you don't. Dr. K. Don't you try to do me. Dr. H. We have Christy Yamaguchi-Main, one of our favorites. Oh, yeah, yeah. One of our favorite listeners and guests of this podcast

Has been on your show multiple times He has he is fun He is so funny Dr. Hoda Come on bro Come on dude My wife is a physician too And she makes me call her Dr. O'Brien

That sounds exciting Specific to your marriage all right it's my kink what what can i say always playing doctor but it's not even the the exam it's just in a waiting room yeah is the doctor gonna see me yet no no she's still with another patient refusing to see me not answering my calls for weeks at a time. It makes you fill out forms when you come home. It's all paperwork, basically. Wait, oh, no, wait, you lost the intake form again? I guess I'll fill it out here.

Where's the clipboard? Here I go. All right. Very not exciting. Kaveh, we are going to get into some questions we have as medical idiots. Just generally, your show does a good job of just kind of addressing some of the

myths, some of the things that people are ignoring that they should be paying maybe a little bit more attention to. But before we get to that, we do like to get to know our guests a little bit better by asking you, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? Something from your search history that is revealing about who you are. Okay. So what I just, I just released an episode of my podcast today and I was researching some stuff for it and I was looking on a pretty deep dive into insulin and some of the products in your blood that can show you if you're getting insulin from the outside of your body, like you're injecting it or if your body's making it.

And the reason I was doing that was because we just did an episode, a follow-up on Lucy you're getting insulin from the outside of your body, like you're injecting it, or if your body's making it. And the reason I was doing that was because we just did an episode, a follow-up on Lucy Letby. I don't know if you're familiar with her. She is the nurse in the UK that was convicted last year of murdering seven babies in a neonatal intensive care unit. Yeah. It was a crazy story. We covered it last year, but since that time, there has been this, there's been a rising, you know, criticism of some of the defense that she had and whether or not they did a piss poor job or not, and whether or not there is a chance she could be innocent. So it's really kind of changed the game a little bit. And so we had to revisit some of the stuff. And one of the things was looking at insulin, because if you get insulin from your own body,

then you also have this thing called C-peptide that may show up. But if someone's injecting insulin into you, maybe too much, it can become harmful, especially to a little baby that may not need it. And that could be fatal to a really sick kid. And you won't get this thing called C-peptide in there. So it's something we check in the blood sometimes, pretty rarely, but some of the case comes down to this question and whether or not that's a really useful test or not. So I was going on a pretty deep dive to try and figure this out because it's a complicated question, even for doctors and for

people. I'm not endocrinologist or anything, but I think even in that world, it can be challenging. So that's the latest thing on my search browser and probably going to get me into trouble. All the recent looking up I did of dead babies, but hopefully this show helps create an alibi. alibi. There you go. And that is what we're here for. So you're just like, you're just solving medical mysteries like an episode of House over here, just on a regular basis. Most accurate medical show around. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. What is most accurate? That's something that people always ask my wife, but she has her answer. What's your answer? I'm curious to know her answer. I think, okay, there's no great show for it because like an accurate depiction of medicine would be pretty boring it'd be like a

group of doctors sitting in a room going over like charts and and like talking about like esoteric things and talking about electrolyte levels it'd be pretty boring but right i think the show that kind of gets like the pathos of medicine the the best is Scrubs. So I think like, is that what she says? Yeah. Scrubs is her answer. I didn't know if it was because we were just watching it at the time. And also she was going through.

She's like, yeah, Scrubs. She's like friends. Why? We're just watching. What's the best medical show? I don't know.

The NBA playoffs brought to you by Kia. I don't know. Do you know actually who did a good job? This is going to sound funny, but the show Lost. They covered a lot of medical topics in that show. Yeah. And they did it really, I thought, pretty well. Like crush injuries and illness and fiber.

All these little things come up in the show. I think they probably had a pretty good medical advisor on that show. Right. When Jack Shepard said that woman woman was gonna dance at her wedding was that was that surgery possible because i feel like that was like the huge one he's like you're gonna dance at your wedding um and then she was i don't remember that part yeah but i i'm sure it probably isn't but i mean they're all like kind of bad yes but you're just mainly referring to the fact that like you can with the right magical island cure somebody who's been paralyzed from the waist down that's mainly what you're well it's the one trick doctors don't want you to know yeah exactly love

talking about the one simple trick that's my favorite that is our only question for you when we get to the medical part is uh what's this one i've never clicked on it before gastroenterologists don't want you to know yeah uh other question uh do doctors use google like if you're trying to responsibly do like is there i mean i'm sure there is it is it google too yeah well uh i'll tell you this doctors i'll i'll say it like this doctors Doctors definitely look stuff up. And they should. Like, I mean, for most of the stuff they're dealing with, they don't need to. But every now and then, there is going to be something that comes across that they haven't encountered for a while that they need to, like, review or refresh. Or there's some sort of, like, lab test they need to review.

And you want someone who's willing to do that. Of course, the major difference is doctors, we have a sense of where to go to find the information we're not usually using google we have like search engines that are specifically for doctors that's what i was going to say and we actually have like paid sites like that we would go to that give us sort of a breakdown of things that we pay for like a yearly subscription for that help us at least point us in the right direction so yeah if you're if you see a doctor looking something up, don't freak out necessarily. If you see them looking it up from like epoch times,

that could be a problem. That might not be good. I'm using the co-pilot feature on Bing. It's AI. Yeah. Oh no. Yeah. It says with these symptoms, you could have,

I don't know. I gotta just keep, I don't know are you feeling like a character from super mario it's i don't let my doctor look anything up i don't let them talk to another doctor because that's cheating i make sure that they piss clean before they perform surgery this is all about what you can do. No cheating. What is something you think is underrated? Okay, so I wanted to come up with an answer that I thought helped introduce your listeners to me in a good way.

And it was either one of two things. It's either going to be San Francisco, the city in which I live. It's very popular and people know about it, obviously. But I think it's gotten a bad rap and it's gotten a bad narrative recently, which I think is super undeserved. And that or Persian contributions to history. And that's probably the thing I'm a little bit more passionate about because it's like when I was younger, Persian history was really written out of the books, like our contributions to the world.

And only as I've gotten older, I've learned about things like beer. The first beer was discovered in the Zagros Mountains of Iran, like in 3,000 to 10,000 BC. And, you know, things like pajamas, high heels, neurosurgery, the highway, the postal service. Wait, neurosurgery?

Yeah, I mean, we're talking about old school like they found like skulls with like things like holes. With holes and people messing around. Yeah. Yeah, okay. But the one that really pissed people off, and I'm not afraid to be controversial on your show here, I'm going to say it.

The first pizza comes from the Persian Empire. I had a feeling you were going to say pizza. Because... The Achaemenid Empire was the first people to create pizza. I say this hoping that your Italian listeners come at me. And what they did is they have a fire in the battlefield they put like two like sticks in the ground they put a shield over it and on top of the shield there'd be like some bread and they put like some cheese or feta cheese and and dates and stuff like that so i mean it wasn't like you know

tony's the apollotin pizza or anything but it was like the first concept of pizza was from there. Some evidence also that noodles came from Iran. I know that's a, that's a tough one. I know. I want to give everyone a moment with that paradigm up, you know what I mean? But these are things that we have been written out of history that are now

coming to light and people are starting to like study and realize. So that's so that's that's something that i think is super underrated is some of the stuff we've done other than like you know grow beards and and you know take over embassies we've done we've done other stuff yeah it is funny because like i feel like in america right like i had iranian friends growing up in la and they would always say like i'm persian i'm persian and i remember like in class like someone said it and like a teacher like they were they were basically saying like oh persia doesn't exist anymore and you're like okay but like and then history there was just no section for that so like growing up right if it weren't for my iranian friends who were like very

adamant about like their parents were like very like you know they were all like if i had questions like they would answer them it's just in the shorthand it's sort of like i don't know it's like prince of persia the video game that's that's what it is move on that's exactly right yeah yeah no uh and it's funny because like when i was growing up we used we would say persian all the time because it was like safer it's like a cat you know right right a rug something benign and now i think more people are are like able to say i'm actually iranian right yeah yeah that's actually kind of nice yeah yeah i was just talking on yesterday's episode about how i went to the louvre with my children and was like looking

at all the ancient assyrian artwork and it's so much better than fucking anything that would exist in the european world for like a thousand years. But they just. It took some time. It takes a long time to get all those ideas in one place. You can just be like, oh, that's what I'm going to do. That's ours. That's ours now.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. Oh, that's quite literal. I mean, like if you go to the history museum in England, like in London, it's like they have like wall sculptures. And literally that's ancient Assyria where they're like, this is ours. Okay. Yeah.

What is something you think is overrated? So again, sort of like to be on brand. I talk about this a lot supplements. So it's a huge, huge industry. Yeah. Yep. I'm sorry. I'll tell you.

Can I tell you something? I have done episodes on like what's happening in Gaza. I've done episodes on abortion and gun control and nothing has gotten me more hate than when I talk about supplements. People lose their minds about when I talk about supplements. Yeah. But I mean, people believe in it in like a really strong way, but it's a huge industry. And for the most part, there's at best shaky evidence for some of it.

Most people don't require them. All they really do for most people is give you expensive urine. And there are people who will need certain supplements for sure. Like things like vitamin B12 for vegans, vegetarians, iron for some people, calcium and vitamin D. There's lots of things that are useful. What about ashwagandha? Usually not necessary. Okay.

All right. All right. Colostrum? We're getting questions from the chat. Colostrum? Is that okay? No? You don't need that.

I don't know if that's bottled yet, but if it you don't need it okay okay okay so that's my thing about like the supplements is it it drives me crazy it's like the the part of the thing about it too is the same people that love taking them and promoting them and selling them are the same people who are telling you not to trust the mainstream medical system. Sure. And they're like, I get accused of being a big shill for pharma constantly because I'm like, yeah, vaccines are good. And they're like, you're a pharmacy shill. And I'm like, who do you think is making these supplements?

They're making money off of it. It's like, you know, that's a $30 to $50 billion industry. It's not like mom and pop stores. They're selling you this garbage, you know. So I get I did get very upset about supplements sometimes. Again, not there are useful for some people, but generally they're they're not something that people need. Okay, good, because I'm looking at the top supplements on Amazon, and I'm curious. We'll have to ask you later. I got a $3,000 a month supplement habit, man. Yeah. It's keeping me alive. Check your lead levels. A lot of collagen peptides.

Oh, dude. I mean, and that's why my skin looks so glassy. So dry. Borderline translucent. So glassy. That's why my dick looks so youngy. So dry. Borderline translucent. Why my dick looks so young. Talk about that one guy. All right.

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And we're back. We're back. And Kaveh, I feel like I've witnessed in my lifetime the kind of information ecosystem kind of go from, you know, go to the doctor, listen to what they say, you know, maybe get a second opinion, I don't know,

to it feels like we have regressed to the world of like snake oil out of covered wagons it does like i remember reading the origin stories like of coca-cola and dr pepper and i was like oh this is where we're going it's like when those things were sold as like health tonics to help with your healthy nerves and shit like that. But it feels like it's a mess out there. It does to me, too. Yeah. It does to me, too.

You're not wrong. You're not wrong. It's terrible. Yeah. Like, how do you navigate it? How do you like are there tips that you give to people for developing literacy in the age of medical grifting? Yeah, for sure.

I mean, I think the first thing, and people are much savvier these days, younger generations are much savvier than older ones, but just keep an eye out for where it's coming from. Is the information you're reading about, is it coming from like Mayo or some university or something that you, a medical center you've heard of? Or is it coming from like the Hindustan Times or Business Insider? You know, keep your eye out for where it's coming from. Like there's obviously clickbait everywhere around health and that's a big part of it. And then, you know, there are there are there are certain anyone's trying to any medical professional trying to sell you something i'm wary of frankly and like anytime

someone tries to sell something that has the word detox cleanses ancient in it there these are keywords that i that i really make my butthole clinch up. 99% of the time, it's bullshit. That's good. That's healthy that your butthole can clinch up like that. It's strong. Yeah. You have a strong anal wink. The sphincter always is.

Look at you. You do have a doctor wife. So, you know, your liver and your kidneys are going to help you detox everything you need to detox, right? If there is something that your liver and your kidneys cannot get out of your body, then some essential oil that an influencer on TikTok is trying to sell you isn't going to work either. You need like, you know, hemodialysis or something much more like important.

So like, don't worry if you're treating your liver and your kidneys, okay, you don't need detox and the detoxes that you don't need detox. And the detoxes that you get aren't going to work. These things that they sell you to cleanse your body of whatever illness you have or whatever one particular thing, that's usually not going to work. Also, be wary of medical professionals or health influencers who try to like moralize certain foods or like, oh, this one berry is bad. This berry is good. Tomatoes are bad. These things, I mean, like it's-

Right, nightshade. It sounds shady. It sounds sinister, doesn't it? The nightshades. You have to be really cautious about those things. I mean, be very cautious of anyone who seems overly confident about things. I mean, again, the reason my show will never be that big,

other than the fact I'm no good, is that you have to have a certain amount of chutzpah to be at Huberman-level balls to just have confidence about things you should not have confidence about. And some things that we just don't know, especially things that are new. And some things that you just, we just don't know, especially things that are like new. Like when COVID first came out,

people would come out and speak definitively on it. I mean, that's, how would you know? No one knows. It's new, you know? But that's what people want to hear. Except libertarians, they knew right away. They knew. Libertarians were all over that shit.

No, like people, they want to hear a doctor tell them, this is the one thing you need to do. If you do this one thing, you're good. But usually we can't do that. That's bullshit. I mean, there is a certain level of uncertainty in all medicine and, you know, never more so than now. You know, there's lots of uncertainty and you have to be comfortable with that to some degree. You have to know that. And if someone seems like overly confident trying to sell you one thing, you should be a little bit cautious at least.

Right. Because I feel like so much. What if they're very confident and have won seven championships like Tom Brady? Does that then make it so I can trust his nutritional device? Sorry. Advice. Sorry, Miles. You go ahead.

Yeah. The answer is. Okay, good. All right. Just wanted to level set with you. So, the answer is good. Okay, good. All right. Just wanted to level set with you. So TB12. TB12, the only doctor I trust, Dr. Tom Terrific.

Well, because I think part of it, right, like especially with being susceptible to medical information, A, there's the thing that's like, well, I can't afford to see a doctor. A lot of people are like, or it's extremely difficult with a schedule to even find a time to see a doctor. That's not the case for everyone. But I think also as there is like more information, like everything has been offered to us in this way with like, you know, since the Internet of like, yeah, man, just do this thing to you want to learn how to fold a shirt. Just do this thing. You want to learn how to boil the perfect egg. Just do this thing.

You have lymphatic issues. Just do this one thing. You have lymphatic issues, just do this one thing. You know what I mean? Like we're so used to even reducing complex medical things. We're like, oh man, it's that you just, you don't got enough of this. And I think that's partially like the opportunism of like the influencer industry coming up because now people are incentivized to be able to be like, and let me just, again, this one simple trick doctors don't want you to know, like we've one simple tricked our way down to like complex issues. And now some people like will apps like, you know, I've, I'm acquainted with people who will absolutely not see doctors and are convinced that they, the information they need is available in community groups on Facebook

or online and things like that. And that's how some people live. Because I think there's just also this, like to your point, when we were just joking earlier, when someone asks you like, what does this thing look like? And you give them your honest opinion as a physician. And they're like, well, I didn't want to hear that. It's like, we want to hear that. It's just, oh, I just wasn't eating enough chickpeas or it's like, oh, I'm sleeping the wrong way. And because I don't want to maybe grapple with the fact that maybe there's something more complex happening. Yeah, it's totally true. And every time there is any sort of vacuum with medical understanding and knowledge,

it gets filled with these grifters. I mean, it's part of the reason I do this whole show. I want to make like medicine accessible. I want people to be able to like feel comfortable with things, with doctors talking, so they don't have to, like, go find random, like, TikTok advice on, you know, sunning their buttholes. Like, I want them to have sources not like, again, if you're going to be like a social media doctor and have a presence, it's hard to build like a following without being a piece of shit. You kind of have to like sell yourself a little bit. And that's hard to do. Like,

I mean, I'm sure the ads I play on my podcast are like 90% dick pills and like mental health apps that I don't necessarily agree with. You know what I mean? And I have to sort of grapple with that myself. That's tough. But you're not voicing that. I'm definitely not. This is the number one dick pill for me. Yeah, yeah, exactly right. I mean, if they pay me enough, okay, I will sell out in a minute. But

like, no, it's something we as in the medical profession have to be better about that's why we need more people doing you know this sort of thing going on like you know podcast at your own but also buy our dick pills buy our dick pills they work yeah yeah your dick pills are great our dick pills are somebody somebody recently told me a story they're like i just heard this like crazy story where this person was taking like the supplement like supplements for their sexual energy and then like it like broke open and there was viagra inside and i was like that's not a true story because there wouldn't be actual active ingredients that story is actually way too good to be true for them So what are the things that you, like, you know, that are actually impacting our health negatively that, like, don't get enough attention? Like, it's not our lack of essential oils that we can put on a rag and, like, huff like ether. Or just put on your pulse points.

Sweet ether, yeah. Just dousing a a rag in right oh yeah because like to your point jack you're saying like we live in this thing where it's like again it's not about health like well you need this thing because like i feel like so much is framed as i can sell we don't we don't live like our ancestors did and now in this modern world that's that's why you need to be dabbing oil of clove on your throat every day or whatever lavender oil just yeah or they'll go the opposite route and they'll say like this is what our ancient ancestors did and ate this is why you should do this and it's also bullshit right they'll use the same like selling tool in a different way i yeah i guess just to simplify it

is it because we aren't you know is this sort of rhetoric sort of working on people because on some level we aren't getting things we need or it's completely just missing the point and we're just so used to being like, oh, I need to buy this new product when there are actual ways that the modern era has affected our health negatively that we're just completely ignoring or just paying little attention to? Yeah, that's a really good question. Yeah. I mean, listen, for a living, a big part of what I do is look into American colons. And I can tell you that we are lacking in certain things like fiber. We could do a lot. Our diets are not awesome. And it's something that, you know, I would love to discuss in more depth and detail, but it's a long process. So, I mean, needless to say, I'll say American diet's not great.

Low in fiber, it's high in processed foods and high in sugar and high in processed meats. And these are things that I think are important and we should be wary of. And we should try to have better diets. We should try to have better diets. We should try to eat better, more plants, less red meat, less processed meat, less sugars in general. These are things that I agree with, you know, Mediterranean diet, plant-based diet. I think these are good options. But for most people who are eating a well-balanced diet, even if it's not perfect, they're still

going to get most of the things they need. Most of them will. We could do better. I certainly think we can do better in general in the United States. And we talk about this. Have you heard of blue zones? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where people have increased lifespans or higher than average lifespan. That's right. Yeah. Part of it is diet. Part of it is the way they get around and exercise and not necessarily the same typical ways we think of exercise, but the way that people live there and diet's a part of that. So, I mean, I think there is something to that. I also don't want people hyper-focused on everything

they eat. I don't think that's healthy either. So for me, in terms of things that are really concerning now that have changed a little bit because diets have always been bad is rates of alcohol. Like I, and I'm not saying people shouldn't drink. I enjoy, you know, drinks in moderation, but since COVID, I have seen the rates of alcohol use go up tremendously. And I've seen younger and younger people in this country getting seriously sick with liver-related injuries, alcohol-related injuries because of it. So it's something I have a growing concern for. And again, I'll have experts come to my show and they'll be against all alcohol. I'm not comfortable with that. I still think that people can have it in moderation. And I think it's, you know, I think it can be something that brings a lot of us joy,

but I think we are developed. We have developed an unhealthy relationship with it in this country. And it's only gotten a little bit worse. Like, you know, you go to a, you go to a movie and like, there's a sad scene in the movie.

There's like, let's go get a drink. If there's something that happens, it's good. Let's celebrate. Let's get a drink. You know, it's like,

it's a part of, it's become a little too ingrained in the culture in a way that I don't think is healthy. And it's only gotten worse since COVID. Right. No, that is true. Like the media, I for sure informed my use of alcohol from like a very early age. Like I honestly thought if I'm going through some shit, I need to drink alcohol to do. honestly thought if I'm going through some shit, I need to drink alcohol to do, I don't know for what reason, but I was mimicking what I had seen over and over. It's like, Oh, you're going through it, man. Let's go get, you know, go have some drinks or whatever. Or like you see someone who's

like clearly like suffering with like some, like, you know, you watch a film about a soldier and like, they clearly have PTSD and it's like, but they, they drink through it. And like, you sort of connect this thing where it's like, that will somehow change things. And I remember when I had like one of my first moments of like emotional strife in like early adulthood, like my first instinct was like, maybe I shouldn't drink a ton of alcohol without even knowing what the urge was. It was just more like, I think that's what it is. Obviously that it didn't last for long.

Cause I was just like, well, what the fuck am I doing? But it is true. So many things are just sort of reflexive based on what we see mirrored to us in the media constantly. Absolutely. And I think at some point it was like that with cigarettes. Because they're cool? Because they look cool. And you're like, oh, you learn in the movies, if you smoke cigarettes, it's a sign of cool.

You do it after sex. You do it like you're a tough guy out here. It's got like this. It had this allure that was sold to us by Hollywood. At some point, there was enough pushback on that, that like that's changed. You don't see that happen in movies as much anymore. There's not that many people who smoke. But the alcohol thing.

And again, I'm not like saying I'm not like saying everyone should be abstinent from alcohol but the alcohol thing is something i think we have to be a little more mindful of in this country now and of course i am a liver doctor as well so it is it is it is you know the thing i'm seeing a lot so you're biased you're admitting you're biased yeah i'm admitting my bias pro liver anti-alcohol works this whole works for big liver, dude. Big liver. That's what happens if you drink too much alcohol. He does work for big liver. It does feel like that is the one thing

that doctors and the wellness people seem to be aligned on. Maybe not the one, but wellness people seem to be aligned on. Maybe not the one, but like wellness people seem to be on board with like no drinking not good for you. Do you know why that is? Because here's the thing is like, for most people who are drinking too much, if they stop for a while, they feel better. They feel so much better.

If that's part of like your routine and you're like, you do my 12-step routine to health and you do that one step and that your routine yeah and you're like you do my 12 step routine to health and you do that one step and that was a problem for you if you drink too much you're gonna be like yeah i feel better this person knows what they're talking about yeah right right yeah these berries they're telling me to eat really are good you know yeah that was step one and you give the credit to the other 11 steps right exactly go to. It's the goji berries for sure. It's fucking acai bowls. Holy shit. Kaveh, just so like, I hear so much like,

I'm trying to be more conscious about my health and I'm eating more, like I have vegetarian lunch now to try and cut out meat. So at least one meal I have a day is mostly plant-based. Oh, good for you. Show off. I just wanted to rub that in your face. meat. So at least one meal I have a day is like mostly plant-based. But the fiber thing- Oh, good for you. No, sorry. Show off. I just wanted to rub that in your face, Jack.

So I just wanted to let you guys know that and moving on. I just wanted you to know I'm doing that. So I'm going to lift to 3,000. Jack, why don't you wipe that McDonald's cheese paper off your face real quick? What if he tells what you just ate for lunch in front of us? But like in part of that, right? It's like part of me is always hearing like you got it like legumes are so good fiber is so good all these other vet like cruciferous vegetables are great can but all i know is they're great can like for me as a child of the 80s and 90s fiber was always like promote like marketed as like oh you're not taking a shit you need fiber

and it was most in my mind it's like oh you're constipated that's why you need fiber. And it was most in my mind, it's like, oh, you're constipated. That's why you need fiber rather than like now looking at a little more holistically, like what, what, like I'm ignorant. So can you please let me understand like what it is about having the fiber in there? That is what, what the benefits of it that we're missing out on for those of us that aren't eating enough fiber. Okay. So there's a lot that it can do and there's been studies that show it can help with cholesterol and, but the, the major things that I think it helps with that I would share with you guys now, one, in terms of like gut problems, it helps prevent issues with your colon. Now, this may or may not be more information than your listeners need to know. I'm not someone who ever has paid

attention to too much information. So I'm going to give you as much information as I think you guys might want. Sure. In the colon, if you're not having a high-fiber diet, the colon is struggling really hard to move things through. When that happens, it puts a stress in your colon that can lead to things like diverticular disease, these little pouches that can form in the colon. Those things can become inflamed. They can become infected. Sometimes they can bleed. Those things are a real problem for a lot of Americans.

That's just one little small thing. Right. Then in terms of like, for an example, why it might help you beyond that, when I talk to people about sugar, I always warn them about processed sugar in particular. And I say, if you're going to get sugar, always the best way to get it is through fruits. Because when it comes in a fruit, it comes with fiber. And as you're ingesting that fiber, it slows down the release of the sugar. So you're not getting this big bolus of sugar.

And that's really where the problems come from. It breaks down the release of sugar over a long time. And that's really where the problems come from. It breaks down the release of sugar over a long time. So these are just two of like many reasons why I think the high fiber diet is better for Americans. Is to keep your colon from stressing. And don't be like one of our favorite podcasters, the kid Mero, who did get diverticulitis. I remember and he missed an episode and he said that.

He's like, guys, you got to eat fiber. He's like, you don't want this. You don't want want this you don't want this and I'm like you don't want this no no so okay uncomfortable uh I don't want pockets in my colon yeah yeah but it's okay if what about like just a bunch of fiber one and then the sugar is coming from basically a fruit in that it's a sugar cane plant so what about just like fiber one with just like a bunch of sugar on it? That's probably it. You mean like just pouring sugar on it? Granulated sugar. Do you need the sugar,

Mr. O'Brien? What if you snorted it nasally? I'm just taking down lines. If I'm just carving up lines of powdered sugar. My doctor said, you don't want to eat this stuff, man. You don't want to eat it. So, I mean,

but like in general, if you have a more plant-based diet, which is good for a lot of different reasons, you're filling yourself with, you know, foods that aren't, you know,

processed meats in general. Like, you're going to get the fiber you need. Now, some people are going to need supplemental fiber like, you know, Metamucil, Citrusel, etc.

But you don't necessarily need that if you're eating a well-balanced diet i've also noticed just as i've slightly improved my diet over the past like decade and i don't know if this is the thing or not but i've noticed that my craving my diet pretty recently too i heard about your lunches i heard yeah i know i just want jack to kind of eat up all the airway you you know, airwaves. Like I used to crave processed sugar, like when I was consuming more of it. And now it like seems gross to me, the amount of processed sugar that I was eating. And I'm like, is that common when you're just getting old?

Okay. Yeah. Got it. Your body is at some point telling you, okay, this is a sucker. Knock it off. This is not. It don't feel as good. Like, you don't feel the way you did when you were younger doing that stuff.

Yeah. Okay. Got it. So, I knew I was old because I started paying attention to birds and, like, what different bird calls were. But this is another good confirmation. Learning more about World War II. Oh, man.

World War. I got some stories about World War II, boys. He's like, Miles, check out this gigantic gun the Nazis were hooking up on a railroad. You won't believe how big this thing is. Top five tank battles. Go. Oh, my God. Again?

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worked in the fields of medical bullshit like what your diagnosis would be for why our current information ecosystem is so bad like i i feel like it's the internet for sure but i also feel like there's this underlying hyper capitalism ethos where like goop can be completely full of shit but still get like good press because it's got like because it's making money basically because it's like i i don't you know business insider the business insider of it all is like yeah she's made a great product and that's yeah cool it's called goop yeah and so there's just like so many ways to launder this pseudo-scientific bullshit that yeah i feel like used to be relegated to the back of like magazines and now is like you know a big multi-billion dollar brand yeah like the dodgy ads from the back of the magazine are now are like medical truths that we have accepted.

Right. Yeah. This is, I don't think you're misreading that. I think that is kind of what I'm seeing as well. I mean, griffs, medical griffs. I mean, they've been around forever, but and they reinvent themselves all the time. Like I got interviewed about Gwyneth Paltrow's rectal ozone therapy and, and I had to look into that and I was like, Oh, that's not necessarily new. I mean, it's just one way or another. Yeah.

Yeah. Don't do it as long as the short of it, but like coffee enemas, enemas to detox and cleanse all these things that, that people try to do. They're like urine therapy, drinking urine. These are things that always come back in one form or another.

Yeah, like Napoleon was doing that shit. Yeah, right. Yeah. And it is getting worse. And I think a lot of that is sort of the direct-to-consumer marketing that you see from these people, these influencers online or people selling supplements and that sort of thing. And these people have like zero sense of medical ethics because most of them aren't doctors and the ones that are medical professionals don't seem to care that much. I will also put some of the blame on us as doctors because, you know, we talk about placebo

and, you know, usually in the past doctors be like, yeah, placebo, fine, if it works, great. And that's true. I usually don't care, but we let a lot of stuff that seemed inconsequential go in the past and not fight. Ah, so Gwyneth Paltrow wants to put a jade egg in her vagina. What's the

harm? They want to take this whatever pill, extra supplement. What's the harm? It's a low-risk thing. And the truth of it is what we have seen, I think there's a direct line between people doing that and thinking, well, okay, this alternative therapy seems to, it seems truthy enough. And then they start to believe that more and more. And then when it comes to something that's maybe a more real, like proven medical treatment, or say a vaccine, they don't know who to trust because there's so much out there, so much information out there that seems contradictory that we've sort of let slide. That like now, if someone who is an influencer who, you know, we never like addressed before is now saying something a little more serious and consequential, like don't get your vaccine,

then that now we have a real problem. And I think we have to now be more aggressive about these things. Even if it's a low-risk thing for most people to take supplements, and for most people it is, it's low-risk. Not for everyone. They put, like we joked about, like lead in these things you'll see. But there's things in there that can hurt the liver. There's even liver cleanses that actually have ingredients in them that can hurt the liver because it's completely unregulated. There's very little regulation that goes into this. And so, you know, if we're not careful about the little things, then they can spiral,

they can sort of like snowball into bigger and bigger problems down the road and really help erode a lack in real medical treatment proven evidence-based science treatment you know right and so i think it's a lot on us as doctors we have to be more vigilant about the stuff and call out bullshit even if it seems relatively inconsequential yeah do you think there's another part too because i i mean i i'm sure this has something to do with it because our medical system especially here in the united states is so bad, that so many people end up slipping through the cracks or having a doctor that isn't taking them seriously. And you know, small issues become things that are life threatening very quickly. And then, and then

anecdotally, that gets around, it's like, well, the doctors don't the fuck they're talking about and shit like that. How much of like, sort of the, you know, trying to resolve all this is also just sort of on having like a better medical system where people feel like, ah, this this seems more dependable. Because I feel like a lot of distrust someone it comes from someone with like an anecdote about something that happened to someone they know. And that's why now it's like, oh, well, they're just saying shit or whatever. They don't think they're going to miss stuff. That's why I do my own research or et cetera, whatever, you know, thing that people want to say when it comes to that. First of all, how dare you? No. Yeah. Our, our medical system is a wreck. We pay more and we get worse quality than we should. And then a lot of countries who are supposed to be are sort of at our level are

doing so. Absolutely. And people are looking for other means to get care and treatment. I, I mean, I, I, I'm always a little worried about doing this because people, you know, I'm worried about giving direct medical care and treatment online because you can't do that you don't know somebody online but right it you do you we do need to create a better system so people don't have to turn to things online they don't have to like look for a doctor or someone online recommending a treatment or going to some sort of like know, app where they can order like psychiatric meds and they should have better care directly from their medical offices that they go to, or hopefully have the insurance to even go to see a doctor. So, yeah, no, I mean, a big part of this, I totally acknowledge is based on the fact

that our system is very dysfunctional, if not broken. And all on top of that, something else you mentioned is true too. I mean, people oftentimes feel like they're not being listened to by their doctor. And I can see that. I understand it. I'm sure it happens constantly and all the time. And that's hard. I mean, a lot of, I feel for the doctors too in that regards, because most of these primary care doctors are extraordinarily overworked. Right. And they're swamped with email after email after email, and they can't really put in

the energy and the time to each one to make that person feel heard. That doesn't mean they shouldn't try. It doesn't mean that that's not something we need to do. But yeah, I know a lot of people who don't feel like they're listened to by the medical profession. Sometimes that can have devastating consequences. Oftentimes not, but sometimes it can be devastating. when i look at supplements like i'm looking at the like amazon health i feel like looking at the top charted products on amazon's a good idea of what people think they need for their bodies and electrolytes is like one of the high everyone's fucking on electrolytes right now uh yeah it's just because we don't want to drink water i'm like it's just weird to me i'm like

isn't that just isn't that the salt they put in gatorade it's because we've lost our way and nobody wants to drink Gatorade anymore because of the idiocracy. No one wants to work and no one wants to drink Gatorade. Yeah. Yeah, water isn't that sexy anymore. People like, I mean, it has to be like Death Liquid or whatever the name of that company

is. Yeah. In a tall boy can. It just officially became a geriatric. So, like, this is, that's a real thing that's a the electrolyte thing it can be useful for people like serious athletes but for most of us regular water we're not performing at that level where we need to squeeze the margins out of hydration like that yeah exactly you're not most people are not becoming like hyponatremic when they're like doing their exercise but i mean it as again it's one of those things where for a long time we're

just like oh okay whatever smart water that's great yeah and it exists what's the ph on that right right and now now i mean again it's it's it's all i i'm starting to feel more and more like it's a slippery slope the more we accept sort of like unnecessary stuff, the worse the outcomes down the road become. So we end up with someone like RFK who actually is like a legitimate, you know, candidate. I mean, he's not going to win, but still he's actually out there. People are hearing and listening to his garbage. But I, I'm sorry, I really dislike him. So I shouldn't have brought him up.

But that's how we get people like that in our lives. Right. Yeah. From not being like, no, you're wrong. Go leave. Leave. Yeah, exactly. No, no, I'm telling you.

I'm telling you about these vaccines, man. You're like, no, you're not telling the shit. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting. Like the Dr. Oz, like wager, like, you know, his argument to himself seemed to be that it was all worth it because he was educating people on stuff they wouldn't have normally like been educated about. And it was fine if he like flipped the margins a little bit or like told a couple lies here and there. And then, you know, we see where that ends.

And I feel like the whole that's kind of what you're describing just across the board a little bit that's exactly it in in i yeah i i feel a little bit for for him because i you know if you're doing a show every day and you have to just start like coming up with shit medically at some point some of the stuff's gonna get questionable but i mean you know he should he's supposedly a he was supposedly a good doctor. You know, you can't lose that. And if you do, you have to stop calling yourself Dr. Oz. You know, just be Oz at that point.

So, I mean, yeah, that's exactly what happened. I mean, it started out with him talking about like poop. And like he was the guy who taught all of our mothers like what a normal poop shape is supposed to be like on the oprah winfrey show and that was like fine cool we talked about fiber yeah man but that was a very slow and gradual descent into nonsense and gibberish yeah to him saying the vagina is like a self-cleaning oven and you're like what is going on you're saying this many times out loud okay Okay. It's weird when he says it. Yeah. Yeah.

It is like self-cleaning oven. Like, who are you? Like a Maytag repair person or a doctor? Well, I'll tell you this. He gets that line maybe from Jen Gunter, who is a very famous and I think a really great OB-GYN. And that is in response to like trying to tell people you don't necessarily need to be doing cleanses. It comes down to the whole cleansing thing. So in that sense, I think that's where he got it.

But then he is one of these guys who will like, you know, he'll have people on who are on the fringes of the medical world and want to sell things. And he gives them air and he's given them lots of attention. He did when he had a show. So, yeah, He also sucks. All the doctors. I can't think of really one that's famous online that I'm trying or, or TV. That's not.

Dr. Feelgood. Yeah. Yeah. He's the one to call. Yeah. Yeah. And Dr.

Pepper, the aforementioned Dr. Pepper. It's pretty. Yeah. Helps, helps the healthy nerves. Helps you feel great.

Did great work overseas yeah is there a subject that you think we've missed that is just something that you come up against like either a bullshit belief or i know i've heard you talk about you know the answer is often like we don't actually know on a lot of things, you know, something that most people think we definitively know that's more of a mystery or. Yeah, there's probably a lot. But I will say that, you know, because I'm a gastroenterologist, one of the things that I get asked a lot about or people will talk to me about are coffee enemas. And that's the constant bane of my existence. And if I can use this as a platform to tell people to not get them, I will.

I mean, coffee is great. I love coffee. I think there's actual health benefits to coffee. There's actually some decent ones. We actually did an episode of our show with one of the weirder ones with a great hepatologist named Elliot Tapper. Prop, the musician and podcaster. Oh, yeah. Deepak Chopra's brother, who is a doctor as well,

and studies coffee. And there's a lot of health benefits. It was an interesting one. And in that episode, we really covered a lot of the health benefits of it. But there is no added benefit to putting coffee up your butt and potential harm. And not just if it's hot, it could be some chemical thing in there that irritates your your colon as well so don't do that don't don't do shit like that what what just don't do cleanses don't need i think the first person i heard talking about it like it was a celebrity i feel like it was like janet jackson or some shit coffee yeah yeah yeah yeah we're like somehow i remember like in the 90s it was like this one thing we're like dude that celebrity is just boofing just gallons of coffee in their butt. And that's, I think, the new way to live or something. And it sort of, Jack, you missed that one. I'm not going to take away your joy.

I'm not a monster, guys. Okay. Thank God. I do have to say, I feel like I always have to be like, look, I'm not totally against things going into butts. Okay? I'm just saying, just don't put coffee in there. It'll work in how you might think it will. Yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. All right. And that's just like your medical opinion, man.

Dr. Kaveh Hoda, what a pleasure having you on The Daily Zeitgeist. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? Find my podcast anywhere you do podcasting. It's called The House of Pod. It's a humor-adjacent medical podcast. And I think you'll like it. It's not too in the weeds of medicine. And usually we have fun guests on,

both doctor guests and non-doctor guests. We'll cover fun topics and have cool conversations. So, you know, you'll probably like it. And it's free. So, you know, if you don't, you know, no harm there, right? No, it's free. Yeah, it's like the placebo.

Amazing. Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying you know have you guys ever heard of this band the thrills no nobody has nobody so here's the deal like it sounds like a band i should know like yeah the yeah thrills right so okay so as californians you should appreciate this because i love like the concept of surf rock i enjoy a lot of surf rock. And I think in my opinion, my estimation, the best surf rock California music-y sort of band is this band called The Thrills. They were around the early aughts. I don't think they're around anymore.

And they would sing songs about Big Sur and Santa Cruz. And they're so rad. Corey Haim. They would sing songs about Corey Haim and santa cruz and they're so rad cory haim they would sing songs about cory haim like who else does that and like the the best part is they're from dublin like ireland not from like dublin california and they had like somehow totally figured out the the ethos of the california beach community in a way that i just fucking love. So give them a listen. They're called the thrills. Uh,

I'll also say, listen to my friend, Rebecca Watson, let's watch her YouTube channel. I think she's the most underrated science communicator out there right now. And, uh, and that's,

that's, I guess that's all I got. All right. Amazing. Uh, well, thanks again for, for joining miles.

Where can people find you as their work media? You've been enjoying. Yeah. Find me on Twitter, Instagram, at Miles of Grey. You find Jack and I on the Basketball Podcast. Miles and Jack got mad boosties. You can also find us on our Enema Podcast as well. Mad booties. Rascals.

Yeah. And also find me talking 90-day fiance on 420-day fiance. They're very upset after then. Tweet I like is from, again, the Euro Cup and Copa America concluded over the weekend. Argentina won the Copa America.

Back-to-back winners. Spain just won the Euro Cup. And because there's been so much soccer on TV, this tweet just cracked me up. The avatar on it looks like a Ted Cruz-esque figure behind an American flag or in front of an American flag. It's at powerbottomdad1 tweeted, after watching five or so soccer games, I'm 99% sure the entire sport is being played wrong strategically. This feels like such an American watching soccer type thing.

Nah, nah. Why are you playing it like that? You should be going for high volume of shots, man. Fucking launching that thing. Take the shot! That's me 90% of the game. Take the shot! Just shoot it with the goal! Just shoot it right now! Why doesn't the one goalie try and shoot it into the other goal

every single time? That's like a free throw. Yeah, now. Right now. Why doesn't the one goalie try and shoot it into the other goal every single time? That's like a free throw. Yeah, man. Wide open. Amazing. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. A tweet I've been enjoying. Let's take it back to July 12th.

Scroll back through. All right. Sean Clements from Hollywood Handbook tweeted, if I ever get introduced to Mia Goth, I'm going to say Mia too. I thought that was cute. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist.

On Instagram, we have a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link up to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy miles what song do you think people might enjoy uh i heard this band over the weekend that was really cool they're called ball fist but it's spelled b-a-l-t-h-v-s you know hit them with some well who would they do that rome? When the V was a U?

It could be Norwegian. I think the V was a 5 in Rome. Oh, wow. You sneaky devil. You get back from Europe and you're already sunning me like that. I just know that from the Rocky franchise. Sorry, man. I kept calling it Rocky V

until someone gave me like 5. Have kept calling it Rocky V until someone gave me five. Rocky what? Have you guys seen Rocky? Rocky? But anyway, they are a Colombian psychedelic band that's really dope. So they've got a lot of Middle Eastern side,

kind of like melodies, but also like cumbia vibes too. And it reminds me of Krungbin. If you like Krungbin, you're definitely going to like this band or that kind of vibey stuff. Sort of like psych surfy at times. This is a track called Sun and Moon by Balthus, the Colombian

psychedelic band that I'm slowly starting to fall in love with. So check this one out. Well, we will link off to that in the footnotes. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

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