The Daily Zeitgeist - The Great DisappoinTrend 9/23: Dr. Trump, Kamala Harris, Zohran Mamdani, Palestinian Statehood
Episode Date: September 23, 2025In this edition of The Great DisappoinTrend, Jack and Miles discuss Dr. Trump making an unproven link between autism and Tylenol, Kamala Harris' "ringing endorsement" of Zohran Mamdani, western nation...s "recognizing" Palestine's statehood (to what end??) and much more!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Oh, man, well, there's a cousin right there on the couch.
No, no, this is a good one.
Jack, you see this one.
Have you seen the Red Man?
Yeah, I've seen the Red Man.
Yeah, I've seen the Red Man.
Yeah, hold on.
Let me fire it up really quick.
Hello, the internet, and welcome to this episode of The Great Disappoint Trend of 1844, that one courtesy of David Lesser.
Just a historical event that I'm referencing for no real reason.
What was that?
The great disappointment is, so the Millerite movement predicted.
Miller Light.
It is where they were the adventures of Miller Light.
And the twins.
And twins.
I believe that was Korslai, but maybe
Who had the one redhead?
I remember that one, there was one campaign in the aughts
with like the very beautiful redheaded woman
who had like cardboard cutouts.
Yes, dude.
Beautiful.
You know Wendy.
He claimed that the second coming was happening on October 22nd, 1844.
everybody was ready, and to quote Wikipedia, it said,
when Jesus did not appear by October 22nd, 1844, Miller and his followers were disappointed,
followed by like four, four notations.
Oh, my God.
We're so bummed out.
Wait, so where's Jesus?
So that, I mean, I don't know.
We're still in the midst of it.
So I'm not.
Yeah.
It could happen tonight.
You might just, Jack, you might just see a Obi-Wan Kenobi piece out on the other side of you.
Just a hat and t-shirt just go.
I saw people like doing edits where they were like pushing their daughter on the swing and then like the daughter disappeared.
They're like, what?
Where'd she go?
What's happening?
People are so fucking boring.
You know what I mean?
Like that's like the biggest bummer with that shit.
I'm like, really?
Like the people who are, because I started looking at some fucking, what is it called?
The rapture material?
Yeah, rapture.
Raptock.
Disappointed, it wasn't just like
fire freestyles.
Right.
But just rapture, TikTok.
And the people who are like earnest about it are so boring.
Like who are like,
I'm preparing these like note cards of scriptures for people that may be able to see
what I've left behind in terms of a mess.
Like you are,
your life is so dull.
Like you're counting on this to make it all worth it, huh?
That's right.
Okay.
That's what does what's going on.
Possibly.
Or the rapture is actually happening today.
and we just hasn't happened yet.
Yeah.
Or we're just like in our little studios
and then we're going to be like,
yeah, Brian the editor.
Could stop recording?
Why isn't he stopping recording?
Brian?
Oh my God, Brian!
What if Brian was the only person we know
who got raptured?
Brian the editor?
That'd be really, I would have a...
Oh, fuck off.
I would have a huge...
I would have a very deep philosophical, like,
self-analysis, self-reflection.
Yeah.
Like, Brian?
I'd be so mad.
Brian went to the kingdom of heaven.
Yeah, I'm like, Brian didn't want to go to heaven?
And then I probably be talking to shit.
I'm like, clerical error.
You know he didn't even want to be up there, right?
All right, whatever, dog.
Anyways, that, the great disappointment led to the founding of the Seventh-day Adventist Church,
which brought us such hits as David Koresh.
Yeah.
So, hell yeah.
Anyways, hopefully everybody takes this one well.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They usually do.
I think Christians usually take disappointment pretty well and rationally.
All right.
Did we say, my name is Jack O'Brien.
That over there is Mr. Miles Gray.
And this is where we tell you what is trending this Tuesday, September 23rd.
Dr. Donald M.D. Trump recommended Dr. M.D.
Dr. M.D.
Dr. Donald Trump, President M.D.
Esquire on Monday evening, went up before a podium.
RFK Jr. behind him.
And at one point he was like, you know, Robert likes to be the careful one, but I'm not going
to be careful. And that's when you knew you were in trouble when Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was
the careful one who leans on evidence. And Trump was like, nah, baby, this is jazz. Medicine is jazz.
Medicine is jazz. Just give me the chart, baby. Yes. So, I mean,
Just a plethora of, of greatest hits from this.
We got, so basically, the overall thesis statement, I would say,
is that Tylenol is the cause of autism.
Seems to be, like, his takeaway from the data.
And we'll get into whether or not that is true or not.
But just a couple moments, him trying to pronounce the active ingredient,
And Tylenol, I think we have that.
Yes, we do have that.
Let's hear Dr. Donald deal leader, MD, just tell us about acetaminophen and how
that's causing autism.
Effective immediately, the FDA will be notifying physicians at the use of, I said, well,
let's see how we say that.
Let's see how we say that.
This fucking idiot is about to make one of the worst medical decisions.
decisions in recorded history of this country.
No, like, actually, medical authorities, medical authorities have come out and said,
I've never seen like a worse, more flagrant misuse of authority with regards to medicine.
Sorry, I interrupted the doctor.
Go on.
Whoa, let's see.
How do we do?
How do we say that?
Get caught up on a word as you come upon it.
Like, this is some fourth grade read aloud.
The thing that you're outlawing.
Haven't you heard this word, a thing?
thousand times said out loud to you because you just got up there to say it and this one anyway go on
doctor i said yeah well let's see how we say that wow acidaminophen acid there it is that okay
is that okay is that switch oh my god basically commonly known as tylonol
and i know that one pregnancy can be associated with
with a very increased risk of autism.
With a very...
Associated with a very increased risk of autism.
With a very increased risk of autism.
Oh, he did increased.
I thought he just said very increased.
No.
He also insisted...
So his thesis is, because of that,
you should not take Tylenol when you're pregnant.
because if you don't take Tylenol, and this is another quote,
nothing bad can happen, it can only good happen.
That was literally what he said.
Jack, is that true?
It can only good happen?
It can only good.
I mean, it's true in so many ways.
Unfortunately, medically, it is very much not so.
Well, hold on, Jack.
Let's hear from his lips before we just kind of like,
I need to hear the president doctor say it himself.
Nothing bad can happen.
It can only good happen.
I'm fucking up for not having that funk flex drop available because that that's what
you call motherfucking bars.
Mother fucking bars.
Nothing bad can happen.
It can only good happen.
It can only good happen.
This is the brain that has taken over as like the, you know, central nervous system of the
entire nation.
We need all decisions run through this brain that just said,
Nothing bad can happen. It can only good happen.
Had you the carnia sada for my menifin.
This is also, did you hear the other one where he said measles, mumps, and the other one?
The MMR, I think, should be taken separately.
This is based on what I feel.
MMR vaccine.
This is based on what I feel.
Mumps, measles.
And the three should be taken separately.
Don't know what the R is, huh?
Yeah, yeah.
Rubella, I used to date her.
She was always at Studio 54, Rubella.
In addition to it can only good happen being a hilarious string of words.
Doctors of the United States were frantically during this press conference making statements
that the conditions that Tylenol is used to treat like high fever in pregnant women
are much more dangerous than any theoretical risk of autism down the line.
Yeah.
Yeah. This is all based off the woo-woo bullshit that he introduced to the party with having, or not introduced, just embrace with having RFK come in.
Yeah. They are using, at least partially, a scientific study that did find a positive correlation between autism and Tylenol used during pregnancy.
The author of that study, and in that study, specifically warned against drawing the exact conclusion that they're drawing in this, he specifically said that to assume Tylenol causes autism would be like the class.
classic statistics mistake of seeing that ice cream sales and violent crime go up at the same time
and assuming that means ice cream causes violent crime instead that both things go up during
summer because of the heat and people being out and shit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, sure, sure.
But yeah, it is a correlation, not a causation situation.
And like the high fever, I don't know, it's like if the high fever is what is responsible
for somehow
like autism down the line
like then you've just
fucked yourself like doubly by saying
like a thing that was used to treat it
is now illegal
it's just so wild
that people don't take into account
that our diagnostic
procedures the way we're
diagnosing things is
improving
rather than being like
we're all these people coming out of nowhere
you hear this shit all the time and they're like
back in my day
yeah there was no
such thing.
Yeah.
And you're like, well, yeah, they also, they also just said, they were just called quirky.
Yeah, they just said women were just like, irate because they weren't coming enough.
Right.
You know, like, this is what are you?
Yeah, the shit was backwards back then.
You have to let your daughter, you have to let your doctor finger you.
Yeah.
That's the solution that doctors came up with back then.
Yeah.
Tell me more about the medical expertise of back then.
Also, that study, the Tylenol link went away when people were.
were studied. Like, if it was the same mother with different children, once you control for that,
the correlation disappears. So it's much more likely. Well, maybe she took less Tylenol. Maybe she took
less Tylenol that time. Right. Things that can't be controlled. So yeah, like you said, the best guess
of what is happening with the rise of autism is the expansion of the diagnostic criteria. People
who wouldn't have been, like the thing that is skyrocketing is much less severe versions of
autism that used to not be considered on the spectrum.
And then we are seeing a slight rise in people being diagnosed with severe autism.
And people's best guess for that, then like has actually, like the best scientific backing is,
uh, drum roll please, air pollution, toxic chemicals, uh, interacting with genetics and people
having children later in life.
And so air pollution being one of those things that never gets blamed for anything because it is a difficult to police byproduct of, you know, global capitalism.
And so they're just like, yeah, so we're not doing anything about that.
Tylenol, though, instead you should take Trump pep pills.
It is just wild that his solution here is to tough it out.
he literally said tough it out in multiple cases.
So if the mother has an extremely high fever that you feel you can't tough it out.
Yes, if you can't tough it out.
You can't do it.
I guess there's that.
Right.
What the fuck?
Again, thank you for your medical opinion, guy who knows if he even really legitimately graduated any form of school.
Right.
But honestly, if you're ignorant enough to listen to Trump over a doctor, I think, and we found this out during COVID, that may be a net positive for the human
race.
Yeah.
It's also, but I do just think there are plenty of, this is so bad because there are plenty
of doctors who are fucking idiots.
Like, who are just going to be like, well, that's what the chief says.
And I, like, also it's just turning people's autism diagnosis into something that, like,
the mother did.
And now it's, like, being turned into, like, this moral thing where, like, the mother isn't
tough enough.
If, you know, she hasn't toughed it out.
enough. I mean, it just also like, again, this is what the administration does with so many
complex issues. Just flatten it to like one cause. Right. To be like autism, not like a complex
relationship between numerous factors. It's Tylenol. So get rid of it. And now I can say,
I've solved it. And also undermining, you know, medical, like research, the scientific process,
all of that in one go. Yeah, it's, it's a fucking swish for these people. And like, they love,
to find a shady conspiracy and so you know and have like you said a single bad guy that they can
point to in this case Tylenol but like never the one that it actually is which is just
unregulated capitalism like polluting people and um yeah yeah so i mean this is again i think
that's even though i'm like yeah you shouldn't take your advice from the president the people that
will and then end up talking to people who don't know better like that's where it gets really
fucked up.
And yeah, I mean, every single
announcement that comes along with
anything out of HHS is another
huge moment where people are
going to be put at risk
because of RFK's
fucking wacky contrarianism.
Yeah. I'm not even contrarianism.
It's just a fucking, just
ghoul. It's like, this guy just wants to
fucking, like, you just, I don't know.
We've, unfortunately,
we have put people at the wheel who have the most
destructive worldviews possible.
And in this instance, it's for people, you know, talking about our health.
Just like malignant, rotting narcissism at the helm.
And just like any way that they can like center themselves as a hero, I guess,
seems to be the thing that is killing us.
It's hard to say.
We'll have to ask the doctors when we're all dead.
Well, we'll meet him in the rapture.
That's true.
Yeah.
Oh, I can't wait to get some answers later on today.
All right.
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With some good news.
Good news, Jack, baby.
Just when we were like, where's the fucking opposition?
Jack baby.
Jack baby.
Jack baby.
I should be wearing a shark skin suit with a slick back hair like Gordon Gecko style.
Anyway, the most prominent member of the Democratic Party has finally woken up to realize that it's time to do the literal bare minimum and say, yeah, I endorse Zeranam Dani.
or Zornemdani, as I like to say.
This is a huge turning point for the party.
I'm actually, this is, this is booing my spirit.
Who is the person, the leader of this party?
Oh, Jack, just the former presidential candidate Kamala Harris.
Boom.
So she was on Rachel Maddow show last night.
And Rachel Maddow's like, let me know.
Like, you talk about rising stars in the party.
You got an eye for talent.
And like, this Zoran Mamdani guy is really, he's about to win.
I mean, what do you think?
And she gives, I can't, I haven't heard the clip, but it's, she's, the headline is she's
endorsing him.
So I'm like, this must be such a great enthusiastic endorsement.
So Kamala, or I'll let Rachel Maddow, you set it up, Kamala, knock him down.
Knock him down, baby.
As a sort of talent spotter in the Democratic Party, what do you think of him and his candidacy?
And what do you think of mainline Democratic shyness and agitation about the prospect that he's going to win?
Look, as far as I'm concerned, he's the Democratic.
nominee and he should be supported.
Okay, a little vague and in person.
I support the Democrat.
Look, as far as I'm concerned, he's the Democratic nominee and he should be supported.
Do you endorse his candidacy?
I support the Democrat in the race.
Sure.
Oh, my God.
I support the Democrat in the race.
Sure.
This isn't fucking Voldemort, asshole.
You got to be like, I, look, vote blue no matter who, I guess.
Do you endorse Zoran Mamdani's candidacy?
Sure.
Dude.
What do you want to say?
The fuck.
This is so fucking terrible.
It's exactly.
Did you see how uncomfortable she was when she started talking about Zora Mumdani?
She started being like, oh, fuck.
Oh, they asked about what do I say?
What do I say?
It goes back to her candidacy, which like, there were like, I.
a handful of like weak points in terms of like things that it would just be like she would
need to have like compelling talking points to get past and every time you could just feel it
be like oh fuck what's happening oh no oh no oh no oh no in this is the fact that a a rising star
the only person who has like broken through and everybody's like holy shit there's so much
support for this. Democrat, unbelievable. The fact that she is acting like she's having to
fucking, like, she's a four-year-old having to take her medicine is so wild. It's because these
people are so fucking power hungry. They can't admit that this new thing that's being offered
through his candidacy is the way to go. Right. And that means relinquishing control because
they're not able to do it. If they're saying, if they say, like, yeah, man.
Zoran's got it.
And that means you don't anymore and you need to kind of get the fuck out of the way.
And also I think there is, you know, her career is built on donations and relationships with people who cannot abide the successful candidacy of Zoran.
So therefore it's because that that's the thing.
Like if it was just ego, like you she would still have a way to put a positive spin.
on it. The fact that she is
treating it like they're
asking her to endorse cancer
is fucking
I'll endorse cancer.
Right. No, I just ask
if you're endorsing Zeramemdani.
I'll endorse
anti-vax. I'll say
vaccines are bad. I think
what do you want me to say?
I want you to just say that you endorse Zoraumdani.
I'll say I endorse Hamas.
Really?
Yeah, at this point. I mean, no, but like to your point,
I it's it's this recognition that this is where the power is at and I think that's like for them
it's existential like they can't fully I mean I'm sure they want to co-opt it but I think they're
also trying to figure out how do we co-opt it and also we keep our spot at the top of like the
pedestal here within the party and I think being like avoiding an endorsement is like just
this weird way of like reckoning with the fact that there's a new flavor
that has to be embraced and it's not yours anymore.
And I think they don't want to admit by,
I think they feel like endorsing his candidacy is like some kind of reckoning with their own
failed attempts at, you know,
running a candidate that gets like all of this attention,
that gets all of this momentum and optimism around it.
I feel,
but like politicians are survived.
They will change their mind on a dime if they recognize that it's going to be
beneficial to their continued survival and relevance.
But this is a DSA person.
You know what I mean?
Right.
Yeah, I think it's, I think it's structural.
Like, I really think that there has to be at least an element that's not like them
being like, oh, no, this is the future.
But it's actually like them having long conversations with the people who donate the money
that make the Democratic Party a thing, be like just hearing over and over again.
Like, this is, this cannot be the future.
of the party, essentially.
Like, that's the only way I can make sense of that energy.
Yeah, no, I think it's, I think we're all talking about the same side of the same coin here.
It's just that this is, I think their survival mechanism is to pretend he's not there.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
It's just like, we can't fucking, we can't begin to say something like that we're endorsing
his like anti-corporate landlord policies.
Yeah, yeah.
I have to hang out with them on Saturday.
From that, she was like,
And why aren't you talking about these other, like, rising star candidates who I haven't, like, looked into those rising star candidates as much.
Before she was talking about people like Jasmine Crockett and, like, other people who are more like, you know, obviously, like, mainstream Democrats.
Right. Yeah, yeah. But it feels like, yeah, that there's just, it's different methods for deflecting away from the issue of, like, Zorn Mamdani.
And I think they probably feel like, okay, we'll let them get into office. And then we just, just,
make it so he can't possibly succeed um and i think that is what's what he's up against i think is
both yeah my god the right but also the mainstream democratic party doing everything in their power to
make it so that he can't succeed and he's just going to need to like build something completely new
and completely devoid of the DNA of of that uh party in order to you know do anything that is
going to be effective either way jack she just endorsed them so
takebacks yeah so what do you you said sure you said sure we got one sorry we got one you said
sure fucking sure dude fucking sure dude oh my god what if she said i don't fucking care whatever whatever
that was her energy man that was her energy was fine yeah i don't go ahead break them i don't care
break them uh all right and finally canada australia portugal and the uk have all right and finally
Canada, Australia, Portugal, and the UK have all formally recognized Palestinian statehood
in announcements that were seemingly coordinated, which is progress.
That's good news.
But there are some fairly large caveats.
Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney, for example, spoke to the PA and is pushing for
elections that Hamas can play no part in going forward and demilitarizing the Palestinian state.
and it all just like rings a little hollow considering that Canada, the UK and Australia have all been shipping weapons to Israel despite public facing policies of claiming not to do so.
Yeah, it's varied.
It's hollow.
It's also like without the U.S., sadly, none of this is going to move the needle.
Right.
And the other part, like, to your point, it's like, this is truly the bare minimum because they're like, yeah, sure, I recognize it the statehood of Palestine.
okay now what about all the underlying shit the humanitarian crisis the genocide the fucking
annexation of the west bank like what so what does there are consequences of that recognition
and so what now they're like okay uh yeah i recognize it but here's what you have to do so it's
almost like they're like on these terms yeah yeah yeah it's just kicking the can down the road
it's just like again the most violent incrementalism you can imagine because these people are going
to act like they did like they're the fucking heroes of earth by being like well we recognize statehood
right low key we just sent a bunch of fucking killing machines and stuff over to them well like we
recognize state i mean you know what i mean so what do what do you want to do yeah it's uh you know
i think like most people and opeds i've read about this they're all kind of saying the same
thing they're like okay now what to then yeah yeah yeah don't just be like well we recognize that
it's it's its own nation so they endorse the statehood with all the enthusiasm
of Kamala Harris endorsing
Zeran Mamdani.
Yeah, it's going to be like,
what do you fucking want for me?
Sure.
Sure.
Fine.
Yeah.
Fuck off.
Like what,
uh,
do you endorse?
Do you endorse?
Sure.
This is you.
This is fucking you.
You know,
do you endorse the Ron?
Yeah.
Fine.
Yeah.
But like,
why do you keep asking me?
So wild.
Just leave me alone.
She act.
I mean,
just back to that story when she's when maddo starts bringing up zorn and she like feels it you it looks
like one of those like when geoffrey tubin came back to cnn to talk about how he's caught jerking off on a zoom call
and they're like so geoffrey something happened and just the body getting tense to be like yeah so
there's this thing i gotta tell you jeffrey tubin looked a hundred times more confident confident
and comfortable and she looked I was like he looked polished and he was like you know uh it was
he practiced it yeah he practiced in a mirror which is like you never get the sense that there's any
practice going on uh which would would have made her a very interesting president like she's like
have you seen knives out uh the first one that's the first one where on adamus uh plays a character
who whenever she lies she throws
up. I feel like that's kind of like Kamala Harris can't really lie or like she just like is such a bad
liar. Like she just kind of sucks at it. That would have been wild for a president to just be like,
yeah, I can't really do this shit. Can't really. I'm just actually thinking of. Where is Jeffrey
Tubin? Here we go. What does he say here? On camera. You were subsequently fired from that job after 27 years of
working there. And you since then have been on leave from CNN. Do I have all that right?
You got it all right. Sad to say. You're jacking off on camera, my guy. You were fired.
You got it all right, my friend. Did I get that right? Yeah. You were J&O on the Zoom call?
Miles, that's a bull's eye. You're correct. I was jacking my shit for all to see on a Zoom call.
So what do you think of Zorn Mandini's? Something I deeply regret.
Zora Mumdani's candidacy and the lack of support.
Is that something you...
I'm sorry, did you...
Did a ghost just leave your body?
Why?
There's blood coming out of your ears.
What the fuck?
Are you okay?
You actually fucking nailed that.
Like, honestly.
Yeah, that was...
That was string music.
Nothing but net.
That was.
All right.
Those are some things you're trending on this Tuesday afternoon.
Dana, you absolutely nailed that.
And may I compliment you on your, you know, concise description of the time that I, on
camera, was caught jacking off by an entire conference call.
And lost my job and status and reputation.
Yes, you have that right.
Anyway.
It's amazing.
My kids know about that anyways.
Yes, correct.
Correctamundo.
All right.
Those are some things that are trending on this.
Tuesday, September 23rd.
We are back tomorrow
with a whole ass episode of the show
which we're recording
today.
So even if Miles and I are both
raptured, the episodes still coming
tomorrow. Could be mid-recording. Yeah, yeah.
Oh, that would be so wild.
All right. Until then,
be kind to each other. Be kind to
yourselves. Get your vaccines
but you still can. Get your flu shots.
Don't do nothing about white supremacy and we
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