The Daily Zeitgeist - The Green Wave, America’s Toilet Problem 07.25.22

Episode Date: July 25, 2022

In episode 1294, Jack and Miles are joined by anti-racism educator, activist, writer, and host of White Homework and Go Home Bible, You're Drunk, Tori Williams Douglass to discuss… The Green Wave & What We Can Learn From Pro-Abortion Activists in Latin America, America Has a Major Toilet Problem and more! Kalamazoo decriminalizes public urination, defecation despite downtown business owners’ concerns Kalamazoo business owner upset after decriminalization of public urination, defecation; changes in city codes Fewer Criminal Tickets for Petty Crimes, Like Public Urination LEGALIZE PUBLIC URINATION, OR PISS OFF ALREADY Homeless People Have to Pee, Too. Find a Place for Them Instead of Complaining About It, You Monsters A 2-Year-Old Peed in a Park; Ferguson Police Arrested Both Parents. Now They're Suing Op-Ed: Public bathrooms are a basic human right, but many cities aren’t even trying to meet the need LISTEN: Rock-n-Roll Victim by DeathSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 247, episode one of Der Daily Night, guys! A production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It's Monday, July 25th. Holy cow, 2022, which of course means it is 725. You know what time it is. I don't. It's Hot Fudge Sunday Day.

Hot Fudge Sunday Day? Yeah, Hot Fudge Sunday Day. And it's also Merry-Go-Round Day. Ooh, I'm about to be on a merry-go-round on the Jersey Shore on the boards. Just a scene of the crime where my friend and I, when we were, I think on mushrooms, went up there. Like it was like late season Jersey Shore. So it wasn't like packed with kids. But then we just like rode this merry-go-round and laughed at the top of our lungs.

And people were scared. Very strange. Now I can't look at that merry-go-round without thinking about that. Anyways, my name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Jackie Philly back again. Cooking a little Scrapple thing. Slice it thin, cook it through. Not too burnt, not too soft.

That is courtesy of Mr. Ligubrious. At Mr. Underscore Lugubrious. Miles of Grey. Jack Obeat. TDZ. Ooh. Ooh, the TDZ family. Never skipped a beat.

Nah. Nah. Ooh. Never. I never skipped a beat. It's crazy. No, never. Not me.

Well, I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Grey! Tuna ain't tuna, so what could it be? Turtle sharks and all that shit within the sea. Okay, shout out Depeche Mode. People are people. Shout out St. Louis' DJ at DJ Uptown STL, representing the 314 to the fullest, I'd imagine. Isn't that the area code for 314? Yep, I believe it is. Anyway, thank you for that.

The Tuna AKAs continue. They continue. I have more. I have a couple more that are going to fucking blow your Tiva's off. Yeah. The Christy Yamaguchi main Ninja Turtles one was just awesome. That one was good too. St. Louis's DJ.

I don't mean to. No shade. This has been activating people's creativity. So like I said, keep bringing it. You know, I'd love to see it. There's just something about learning that you've been eating turtle your whole life. Assuming you ate the tuna sandwich at Subway, which I think we all did. Or have had tuna salad of any stripe. It's not at Subway, which I think we all did, or have had tuna salad of

any stripe. It's not just Subway. No, it's like anyone who's doing that way of, if it's not pole and line cod, they're just being like, scoop out the sea, man, whatever's in there. Look, we'll try and get most of the shit out. Scoop out the sea.

Scoop out the sea. Scoop out the sea. Just scooped out the sea, Scoop out the sea. Scoop out the sea. Yeah, just scooped out the sea. Gave it a little scoop and, you know, it's gross. Well, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a brilliant anti-racism educator, activist, writer, creator of the acclaimed podcast, White Homework. It's Tori Williams-Douglas! Tori! Hi. Oh, my gosh. I'm so glad to see all of you again this is so exciting i really i try to do i try to do like the monday ones because like i really like monday

because i'm weird so i'm really happy to be here yeah you really like anti- You said anti-Garfield. Yeah. I do. I really like Mondays. Wait, what is it about? Wait, please let me into your freaky world. I should have put the anti-Garfield in your thing. I'm going to just change that. I mean, it's also, that's also not wrong. Well, because it was like having like an office job. Like you show up on Monday and, you know, you usually have like your Monday morning meeting or, you know, some like time waster. But for me, I was like, it gives me an opportunity to put everything on the calendar, like everything that I need to like my whole to do list, like any projects, like updating people. I just do all of that stuff first. So then I have a really good

grasp on like what I need to get done, what I'm capable of getting done during the week what's your least favorite day of the week friday i know friday uh right now thursday because thursday is when my kids go back to their dad's house oh so i get just really sad yeah Yeah. Well, look. Like, do you get stressed out ahead of Monday? And then, like, Monday allows you to have that, like, ah, like, get all the shit on the calendar? Because that's what happens with me is, like, I build up my work week. I get a lot of stress on Sunday, like, as the weekend is coming to a close. And then Monday comes and I'm actually able to, like, do something about it.

And that is a good feeling. yeah that's true i don't necessarily like sunday scaries isn't super a thing that i get yeah but again like i'm i'm weird so i haven't gotten the sunday scary since to be honest i started this job working from home no no, no. Like just, when I, when I left Condé Nast to work with, you know, Jack and Anna, like back in the stuff media or whatever it was called back then. That's cause I was like,

Oh shit. I like what I do. Like a lot of the time when I didn't like what I did or, you know, with Jack, he's got the weight of the whole network on his shoulders. You know what I mean? It's a little bit more difficult.

But I get like, yeah, I feel like I've because I've found that like place where I can I really enjoy what I do, which is very fortunate. That doesn't quite happen. It all goes away when I record the show, though. So. It does. Oh, my gosh. So much dopamine recording the show, you guys. Like, that's a real thing.

I've been thinking about that. I've been on enough to notice that that's a pattern. I do have to ask you how you feel about lasagna. Because if you love Mondays, it should follow that you hate lasagna. I mean, it's not my favorite, but homemade lasagna can be good. It holds. I'll take it. All right. We are going to get to know you a little bit holds i'll take it all right we are going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things that we're talking about we are bringing on super producer trisha mccurdy to uh tell us what is what what we can be taking from the pro-abortion activists in latin america what we can be taking from the pro-abortion activists in Latin America.

And yeah, I'm excited. It's a great story. We're going to talk about America's toilet problem. All of that. Plenty more. But first, Tori, we'd like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? So the other day I got a Katy Perry song stuck in my head.

And so I was like, weirdly, I've spent the last couple of days like Googling Katy Perry, which is very odd. But what's she up to? Is that the sort of thing you're? OK, so so OK, so like I grew up evangelical, right? So I was only a Christian music. And so. Katie also grew up evangelical, like her was only allowed to listen to christian music and so katie also grew up evangelical like her parents are pastors and whatever and so you know when she was well i mean we were the same age but yeah when we were like 16 i think or 17 she like went on tour with someone from like this really big christian rock band i know this is a contradiction in terms and um

anyway really big and christian rock is that the contradiction in terms and so yeah i like i like got to hang out with her for a little bit like before the show started so and i don't know why this all like came back to me but i got this song stuck in my head it was hot and cold and so i was like oh i should go back and like listen to that album like that still slaps and then i remembered one time i was driving where i was on a road trip to la and it was like my turn to dj so i put on that album it's like her first big album her first album was like this little christian indie rock thing that you know she's always been fucking talented and so i like i put on her first ish album one of the boys and so the second song on there is i kissed a girl

and um so one of the people that was in the car was like, this is making me really uncomfortable. And so they turned it off and like put on a sermon instead. Yeah. It was like, it was, it was really major whiplash. It was like,

we need to listen to something edifying you guys. Like I don't feel comfortable with the gay agenda because we all know how gay katie perry is right yeah so gay um and anyway yeah so then i'm like i've just been like googling stuff about her and watching all of her music videos makes no sense. But I've been having fun. And my poor neighbors get to listen to me sing really loudly all day. I never really put it together that she then married Russell Brand, who isn't Russell Brand like one of those like,

that's right, I don't believe in God, mate. Can you handle it? Isn't he like one of those out out and proud like atheists who like spirituality okay maybe maybe i have him confused with i think he may be an organized religion because i mean he had that like christopher hitchens if he was like a like a like a roadie for a rock band on heroin kind of like perspective yeah yeah that's what i thought his thing was was that he was like hitchens he's just so contrarian now like i can't even like listen oh my god yeah no no yeah yeah i gave up on him a long time ago but that is the pendulum would swing that way right like yeah

and this is my new husband i don't i kissed a girl and i married an atheist motherfuckers what i just like that the person you're in the car with is like it's making me so uncomfortable the idea of a girl having agency and like doing stuff that she wants to do can we listen to something about Adam and Eve and original sin

that would yeah exactly Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve that all that all that yeah there was it was God's mouth to your ears from God's mouth Exactly. Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Yeah. All that. Yeah. God's mouth to your ears. God's mouth to your mouth. I kissed God. I think I liked it. Wait, you think that song would be more offensive to that person if it was, I kissed a girl versus I kissed God and I liked it?

Right. Like the Kidz Bop Christian version of the song. kissed God, and I liked it. Right, like the Kidz Bop Christian version of the song. I kissed God, and I liked it. I liked it. His whiskers were a little bit much, but it was still okay. My sordid soul, he saved it. Nice, nice. This is excellent. They must have that, right?

Christian Bop? Oh, yeah. Yeah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah and there's all kinds of covers of of secular quote-unquote songs that get turned into like christian songs i was listening to somebody i was at a bar like outside at a bar no covid for me please and um the part like there was some live music and the person started playing this cover of love song by the cure and i was like how come nobody has turned this into a worship song like this is this is like straight up a worship song like right what is happening right now because at first my buddy raya she was like this is i'm so uncomfortable

the lyrics of this song like this person is a stalker. And I was like, no, it's about Jesus. It's fine. You surround yourself with people who are very disturbed by music. It sounds like. I guess that's true. This is also a pattern. God fearing Al Yankovic.

Is there something? God feared Al Yankovic. Oh, there's so many bad. There's so many, yankovic oh there's so many bad there's so many so many bad ones there's so many bad ones yeah but that wasn't bad that was really good the thing i said so well yeah but it's then it's like an imitation of right like there's all these christians who are trying to like imitate yeah yeah it's just zerox of a zerox great clarity great yes in that tori what is something you think is underrated i think right now because heat wave stuff i think that i think that green spaces are really

underrated yeah because trees offer so much like protection from the shade and i mean obviously as we know i think we may have talked about this last time I was on, but like poorer neighborhoods are warmer because there's more like concrete and asphalt and fewer trees. Highly urbanized. Trees and like less grass and plants help absorb some of that heat, whereas the street sidewalk just collects it. And that makes me really sad. So, yeah, I'm trying to I'm trying to like agitate for more trees and more green space and less systemic racism built into our cities right i mean it's like one of the reason why they're always like how come people in the hood don't play soccer and it's all basketball because that

requires green space which is actively not a thing that's prioritized in like you know the inner city but yeah no i i totally agree like i was that that's like the one like, you know, the inner city. But yeah, no, I, I totally agree. Like I was that, that's like the one, the one place if you're in a, like a hot city and like, you're not going to be inside is like, dude,

get to the widest fucking space with shade. Cause that's like 15 degrees cooler. Yeah. I also saw a recent movement that was just like somebody on instagram but and i i haven't done a lot of in-depth research on it but it's basically like replacing just lawns or just like anything that's just like a grass field which once you kind of hear it and start looking around a suburb you see that like their suburbs are just like filled with all these lawns that are unused and, like, really unuseful for any reason. And, like, replacing those with, like, green spaces that are planted out with, like, fruit trees and, like, you know, things that can give shade and have a purpose.

You know, like, there's just, like, so much land that's like, nope, we got to just make it flat so that the cops can see everyone. Keep your hands where we can see them, folks. I think lawns are such a great example, though, because they're entirely about waste. There's nothing productive about them. It's just like a show of affluence, essentially, because you're not growing anything productive. because you're not yeah you're not growing anything productive you're wasting a ton of water in most places because most places like grass that people like for their yards isn't isn't like a naturally occurring native plant right right so yeah it's like it's just the epitome of excess and conspicuous consumption and we just we just we don't have time for that anymore right like the

planet's getting hot you don't get to water your lawn i'm sorry yeah i was just walking around in pasadena with my wife and we were like everything is like brown except these like huge patches that were just like massive lush green things and you're like that, that's a golf course. That's a golf course. That's it. So that's the other thing we need to, we need to invade and take down. Nationalize the golf courses. Golf courses. Yeah.

Just nationalize, federalize. Those are parks. Yeah. Those are parks now, assholes. Go fuck yourselves. And we are paying for them with our tax dollars.

Cause they get tax breaks. And they get all the water. Yeah. And they get all the water, which is first dibs on the water which is really like like cities that are about to hit i think they call it day zero but like zero water essentially mexico city and cape town south africa i believe are two of like the ones that are most at risk but yeah it's like poor people get penalized for using more water than they're allowed but then like the golf course is still

green your city will let you die of thirst before they let the golf courses go brown yeah honestly i feel like that may be the best way to get people like people on the same page like across classes to be like just direct your like proletarian anger at a golf course yeah just like as the first step you know it's like knock that domino down and that may lead to the you know the the kinds of changes we need but i feel like if you can normalize people like being like fuck a golf course golf courses and it's going to be stands for also the hardest fight like you could possibly pick because when you go to those places it's like all of the people who make decisions in the entire city are

are just hanging out there like all day long all day yeah like having meetings they see yeah they see a bunch of poor people like fucking like hanging out they're like what the fuck dude we need more cops at the golf courses yeah but that that is what needs to happen i'm not sure how we get there but that needs to happen you talk about this all the time, especially after that Malcolm Gladwell podcast episode. It's like sort of brought. I know. So this is the thing is like, it's so hard because the first time I like heard this idea was in a Malcolm Gladwell podcast.

He didn't come up with the idea, but I'm like, fuck the introduction. Good idea. But it is Malcolm Gladwell, but it's such a good idea. So I want to be, I want to be in a, like turn our golf courses into parks. Cause that's the thing I'm always jealous of when I go to a place with great park system. I'm like,

yeah, man, look at the fuck. Like these people can just go eat a sandwich on this fucking in the shade here. Yeah. You can go have your little golf course. We'll give you like some like fake turf out in the desert where you can go play your little golf course. We'll give you some fake turf out in the desert

where you can go play your golf games. They will kill us before they allow us to do this. Truly. It's actually the hardest target to go after. We will straight up go to war with you before we let you take our golf course. But my property values you know it's like i have a right to my assets appreciating is a thing that people who own homes here think it's like la might be the best place for it because la is like moving

left and like young people in la are voting and And so we might, we might be able to pull it off. Yeah. Fuck the golf courses, bro. Fuck the golf courses. Fuck your golf course. Yeah. Uh,

what is something you think is overrated? Tori? Um, lately the thing that I have been thinking about a lot that is overrated is like losing weight, just general, like fat phobia, like diets don't work.

And I think that more people need to be talking about the fact that diets don't work like long-term it's sort of like punishment, like punishing your dog, punishing your kid, like short-term you're going to get the results you want, like immediate results you want, but long-term it's going to backfire. And so, yeah, that's just kind of the thing that I've been thinking about a lot lately is get the results you want like immediate results you want but long term it's gonna backfire and so

yeah that's just kind of the thing that i've been thinking about a lot lately is like we we've we conflate like people's weight and their moral character right it's like uh well you're just you're just lazy you're not working hard enough well you did that to yourself right exactly exactly it's self-inflicted and that's i mean that's how we view all of health in the united states right is like then we that way you don't have to help anybody if you treat everybody like their body's a car that they're just like getting in wrecks with they're like yeah i mean that's on the driver honestly like we have no responsibility to this human being at all because right right it's like everybody is born into the world just naturally 100 healthy and if you don't sit on your couch you'll stay that way it's like well the only lettuce i can

access is the shit on a big mac right where i live so what am i supposed to do and yeah it is i think the thing with diets too is like you're to your point like they're not sustainable you know if you're i think the biggest thing is the pendulum will always swing back the other way. And I think, yeah, really just if you're eating healthily and you can have moderation. I mean, like that's the only thing that's been sustainable for me is like I get older and I'm more aware of things. I'm like, I got to cut everything out. I'm like, let me cut one thing out at a time and see if I can just build on that. And that over the long term has been helpful for me as i try to eat less beef i have a friend who's always doing the uh food the like meal kit service things which are crazy expensive but they just told me about

one where like they don't even list the calories and they're just like that's not what we do basically is like that that's not a helpful way to think about food essentially which i think is interesting it's like not the amount of calories just like the ingredients being yeah like eat a lot of healthful food don't like calorie count while you're eating healthful food. Me, I like to just starve myself and then go for a couple Baja Blasts for it to get me going for the day. Every single time I'm on here, Baja Blast, man, always comes up. Wait to see Jax's tax return. I'm drinking coffee out of a Baja Blast colored mug.

I said Jax's right now, like Smeagol. Oh man. Yeah. I just, I just, you know, and, and like, I, I'm so angry about all of this stuff about like obesity and like comorbidity with COVID deaths. And it's like, this isn't, that's not how that works. Like, right. I mean, yeah.

And like fat folks aren't like their doctors don't listen to them so they're just like less likely to go to the doctor because it's like you come in with any ailment but if it's if you're overweight which is just like it's normal weight right they're like well you know it's probably nothing we're not gonna run any tests because you need to lose weight first and like everything about this is just disgusting and gross to me so yeah yeah dieting is the stuff that's not normal is systemic systemically the result of a country that lets corporations put whatever the fuck they want in the food that's going to make it sell better so yeah again not it's not individualism it's not somebody's moral character failing them it is that the environment they're in yeah

the environment that we've we've been allowed to grow up in hey but titanium dioxide though huh no don't drink mountain dew it's really it's really bad it's really bad for you one one a week maybe yeah moderation there we go yeah for for you guys for me I can handle it actually like I'm not like hooked on it so I'm not hooked so it's actually good like I have a system oh god that's fucking beware that I got it I got a system yeah no you have a way weird way of rationalizing. All right. Let's take a quick break and we will be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult.

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Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game.

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The story of one strange and violent summer. This is Rip Current, available now with new episodes every Thursday. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And a thing we talk about a lot on this show is our need to grow our you know especially in the u.s our imagination for how things can be different and also just like

understand what can be done other than just you you know, sit back and diagnose the problem, which is what I like to do. Just point my finger and be like, that is bad. Here's why. Moving on. But there are other countries where people are actually doing other countries. There are other countries besides the United States. This is crazy. Have you seen this? Have you heard about this? Never. I thought my mom was lying when she said she was from some place called Japan. So we are bringing in the first TDZ correspondent, Trisha McCurdy, super producer, to come on and tell us a little bit about some of these stories, some of these things that are being done.

I feel like that's kind of turning into your beat a little bit in these first couple stories. I think so. But Trisha, thank you so much for joining us. And the story this week is about why the Congress people, AOC, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, were wearing green bandanas when they were arrested in front of the Supreme Court. Yes, that is right. Thank you for having me. Yeah, so the story today is about exactly that, Jack. So if you've seen videos of the members of Congress who are protesting for abortion in front of the Supreme Court earlier this week, several of them were

arrested and that led to a lot of discussion. But you might have noticed one thing, which is that several people in that protest and several of the members of Congress themselves were wearing green bandanas around their necks, on their clothing, on their bags. So I saw these videos, and maybe you did too, and were wondering, well, what do these green bandanas mean? I mean, in my head, I was thinking, this isn't really the color that I would associate with women's rights or the movement for abortion.

So I looked into it a little bit. And I actually found out that this green bandana is both an homage and a continuation of a movement in Latin America that activists launched to fight for abortion rights. And it's quite an inspiring movement. I think what I learned from reading about this was just that we have a lot to learn from other countries if those exist and aren't just some scam they've been telling us about. Yeah, I think we're still looking into that. And maybe that can be your next story is like trying to fact check whether other countries actually exist. But yeah, I do feel like we're spending a lot of time on the show lately. We're not a lot, but you know, sometime just pointing

out that like Latin American nations are really like making progress moving leftward while we are falling off the mountain to the right at a rapid pace. Yes, exactly. So in terms of abortion, they have been making a lot more progress than us while we have been going backwards. So in these Latin American countries, there's a movement called La Marea Verde, which is Spanish for the green wave or the green tide. And it's a movement that's been going on for a while now, years, even more than a decade. And it has been so incredibly successful in legalizing or decriminalizing abortion in several of these countries. abortion in several of these countries. So it's important to remember, because in the U.S., we think of the fact that a lot of the country is religious and Christian, and that makes them more conservative in terms of abortion. But in Latin America, several of these countries are

majority Catholic. In Argentina, the Pope... I'm Catholic, so I can say that. I can say that because I'm a dog. In Argentina, the Pope was born in Argentina. So that is an indication of the religious leanings of these countries. But abortion has been legalized or decriminalized significantly in Latin America in the last two-ish years. So in early 2021, Argentina legalized abortion up to 14 weeks. In September 2021, Mexico decriminalized abortion. And in February of this year alone, Colombia legalized abortion on demand and without restrictions up to the 24th week of pregnancy. So these are the three largest countries in Latin America, and abortion is decriminalized in all of them,

whereas in states in the U.S., we don't have that. That's pretty wild. Like you said, they've come a long way very quickly. Yeah, exactly. But it wasn't overnight. It wasn't overnight at all. And so actually, the origins of this green wave, it starts back in 1977 in Argentina. This was when the dirty war was happening and essentially the military junta was disappearing.

A lot of young men and women and their mothers were very distressed. So they took to the streets in front of government buildings, and they were protesting and marching. And during these protests and marches, they wore these headscarves, which were made out of the cloth that they would use for diapers. And they were white, and it became a symbol of their resistance. So many years later, a symbol of their resistance. So many years later, Argentinian abortion activists wondered how they could kind of pay tribute to the Madres de Plaza de Mayo, which is the name of this group of mothers. And they thought they didn't want to use the same exact color. So they nixed white. They didn't want to use purple, which was the color of a lot of other women's movements in Latin America.

which was the color of a lot of other women's movements in Latin America. And they chose green. And I think it was an interesting color choice because it symbolizes life and growth and nurturing. And so it's kind of a direct counter statement to the statement pro-life, which is saying the only way you can be pro-life is to be against abortion. So they ordered a bunch of these green bandanas and then started distributing them at these protests. And eventually people really took it up as a symbol and started just tying it to their backpacks, their clothes, their hair, such that when you walked out into the street, you would just see it everywhere in schools and supermarkets and homes and workplaces. And it became a pretty constant topic of conversation, which I wouldn't

really say we have in the US, at least in my experience. So that was one day, one way that they just brought it to front of mind for everyone. And in fact, they ran out of green fabric because so many people were wearing it. So they literally had to cross the border from Argentina into Bolivia to source any green fabric. And by the way, the original, like that original, you know, movement against the military death squads, those military death squads were part of Operation Condor brought to you by the United States in an attempt to tamp down communism in quotes. So like, this is all,

hopefully we're able to use this to springboard. And, you know, that tends to be how the U S fucks up is like, they like of their own making essentially. And so, yeah, just,

it's interesting to note that like, this is something that actually start was started by the CIA indirectly. Right. Yeah, it's all really a big struggle against U.S. state-sanctioned violence. Yeah. No matter where you look. Yeah. So this is how the Green Wave started, but it just grew to something that was so much more. It was an incredibly dynamic and inclusive movement.

And so it involved people protesting essentially constantly, like every single week for two years. And even in a lot of the big protests in U.S. history, we don't see that kind of consistency for that long. I didn't even know that was an option, basically. I was like, wait, every week? That's not how protests work. When will moveon.org tell me where to go and when?

Right. Right. Yeah, so it's pretty incredible to think about doing that and not getting discouraged. So I thought that was incredibly admirable. But in addition to the protest, it involved constant legal action, lawsuits, and demands for legislators to act. It involved a lot of storytelling of allowing people who have had abortions to just talk about their experiences everywhere and all the time. And it was a very inclusive grassroots movement. And I think because of all those factors,

after many, many years, it finally succeeded. Yeah. So looking at this, right, because I think like even for me, I'm like, wow, they're using the momentum of the people, you know, like mourning the Los Desaparecidos, like the disappeared people in Argentina to keep that outrage to still to maintain that and evolve it into like another mass movement shows that there's a extremely long timeline to something like this. So I guess, you know, in reading about this, and thank you so much for like telling us of like these details in the history of it, what are the what do we what can we take away from our US mindset? We're going, what are they doing in other places? And what, you know, what can we glean from that? Yeah, right. So what can we learn? I think there are quite a lot of things. First, just as we were talking about before, it is a marathon, not a sprint. It's not as soon as Roe v. Wade is overturned, we go and protest for a week or two and then give up. It's not that. It's just a constant push, both in terms of protesting, in terms of legal battles, in terms of pushing our elected representatives to do more in terms of storytelling in terms of forming networks just it has to be on all fronts which is tough in the u.s because people need to like there is a literal like work or starve or your kids will starve in many cases uh situation

so like that that's something like we need mutual aid funds and stuff to we we need some infrastructure built out to to make that sort of thing possible but there there are solutions but that i do think like that that was an interesting revelation to me was somebody pointing out that like oh there's the u.s has a very paltry protest history because everybody's working constantly all the time. And the one time when we were able to not work constantly, we saw a large protest movement around Black Lives Matter and George Floyd's death. And then because people weren't working as much because of the pandemic so that is like a a problem we need to solve but there are people who are solving it and there's so much money being donated to places like Planned Parenthood and stuff where when maybe it could be

donated to some mutual aid funds that make it possible for people to protest more or something. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's another thing. We can learn a lot in terms of inclusivity. The green wave in Latin America, I mean, I think no movement is perfect, but there is some emphasis on centering the voices of indigenous people and Afro-Latinx people, whereas in the U.S., a lot of our movement has kind of put aside marginalized groups. We need to make sure that people who perhaps can't go out in the streets and protest because maybe they just are working multiple jobs and are busy or maybe they have kids to take care of, like their voices still need to be put at the forefront. And along with that, in the U.S., the movement for abortion rights has been pretty exclusive and discriminatory in the past. I mean, even if you think about Planned Parenthood and Margaret Sanger's role in that and her belief in eugenics. And yeah, I mean, there's a lot of incredible activism from Black women who have founded the movement for reproductive justice, and they're often not acknowledged. So I would say read about them if you're at all interested. But along with that, we need to just focus on how abortion specifically affects people who are low income, lack secure housing, or are affected by the prison industrial complex, and just create a new framework that does address these things. Yeah. And in addition to that, just like you said,

Jack, I mean, we have to get out of the big organizations. The green wave was a lot of small organizations and individuals coming together, whereas in the U.S., we really rely heavily on Planned Parenthood and the Center for Reproductive Rights, which are these big organizations that really form corporate structures in their own ways. So that can also be harmful to a grassroots movement. Yeah, I heard a really good question recently where someone was like, also, like Planned Parenthood, when the Roe decision or opinion leaked, Planned Parenthood got a massive influx in donations. And then when they seemed to be caught flat-footed as well as the Biden administration,

there wasn't an immediate plan of action that was at least evident to a lot of people. It just felt like a lot of the institutions that we were counting on being there and like having been working on this shit after the leaked decision between the leaked decision the actual like ruling didn't have a thing that was like thrown into action so like that that's another reason that i've i've heard people be skeptical about planned parenthood as well i think that like nobody took it seriously right, I've heard people be skeptical about Planned Parenthood as. Well, I think that like nobody took it seriously,

right? Like they've been saying that they were going to do this for 50 years at this point. And everyone was like, okay, cool. Like enjoy. Right.

And you know, I think that like being cognizant of the fact that like a lot of the push against not all of it, obviously a lot of that is also corporate and like dark money and whatever but like a lot of a lot of the push against roe like in terms of getting abortion banned was done at like a community level right like you know those folks have something of an advantage i would say because they go to church so they see each other every single week a a couple of times a week anyway. Yeah, they're organizing weekly.

Yeah, they're 60% of the way there already, right? Just because they're seeing each other, they have a place to gather. It's consistent. They're constantly in communication with one another. And so, you know, I think that we, Planned Parenthood, the Biden administration, you know i think that we planned parenthood the biden administration nobody was nobody was taking this seriously yeah and i think that also like part of part of like the failure of of communication i guess in in terms of abortion access is that it's like if you don't have a right to bodily autonomy you have no rights like all you have is privileges and that wasn't really communicated you know like as i you know because i i was raised by a pro-life activist as i've talked about on here before and like the like when i when i slowly kind of moved out of that space and i was like oh this is now

this isn't cool like you can't force someone to like make a child yeah that's not okay there still wasn't much language around like abortion access is like the most basic of human rights so if you can take that away from people you can control like half the population and so i mean there was a reason that they went for that right there was a reason that they targeted roe specifically and it was because they know that when you can take people's agency away you can kind of do whatever right exactly right and there's like another part to what you're saying too is like as americans people are so reliant on these like outsized organizations or the idea of like the like the political like the politicians will save us or the president will save us or

Planned Parenthood will save us that we sort of outsource like our ability to defend ourselves to these like just large behemoth things or abstract groups of people that don't know we exist exactly we're outside we're outsourcing it to people who don't have their head in the game and to your point tricia like the people who are taking it seriously are not the ones that are getting the support and i think that's a huge shift that i think a lot of american people need to make is a yeah it's bad b we can't rely like the people we used to rely on have proven that like in the way this system is set up we can't rely on them to protect to protect us and where has it worked it's when people get together on their own and acknowledge yeah we're up against it but we can acknowledge that together there is a path forward, but it takes a lot of

people to first abandon this idea that it's like, well, maybe I can just give my money to this thing and not do anything. And it can't be passive. Donating is great, but any sort of systemic change we're seeking, whether that be with body autonomy or rights for LGBTQ people or, you know, the over-policing that we're experiencing. We can't just do the, well, I gave my money to that group who they seem angry enough about it that they can change it. It's like, no, like we, every single person has to turn on like, and say, yeah, you know what? I'm actually, I realized too, like what I want is something that I have to begin communicating to other people as well and finding like-minded people to say, this is the bare minimum that I feel like we need to advocate for, for people and be active in that or be vocal about that. Because the age of like donating to act blue and shit.

Fuck. Look where we're at. It got us fucking right here. Yeah. We need to build community too. look where we're at. It got us fucking right here. We need to build community too.

Like Tori's point about them working from a base of like church and, you know, that being a thing that you're meeting regularly, like that's, that's also huge in the addiction recovery community. Like that, you know, you have, you have to build community.

You have to find people who are working on the same thing as you. And there's just like that, that doesn't just form overnight again to Trisha's point about it being a, a marathon, not a sprint, but like it. And I also feel like we can't be so hard on ourselves for like, why aren't I doing more about this? Like, well, there's not a thing to do. Like that's what we need to like build the thing to do. this is like well there's not a thing to do like that's what we need to like build the thing to do like the meetings to go to the secular church to like go to on a weekly basis where you can

you know find the people to build your movement with yeah yeah and to my point as well like donating to Planned Parenthood I think there you know, that money has much less of an effect than donating to a mutual aid organization or a people-organized fund. Where I live in New York, abortions through Planned Parenthood cost upwards of $500, which is like, who the fuck can afford that? Especially if you just can't afford to have a kid, perhaps, if that's your reason. So, yeah, whereas a lot of mutual aid funds will help you get medication for abortions. And, I mean, that's just another thing that, you know, going back to the Green Wave, something that they prioritized was self-managed abortions instead of working outside these big clinics. In Mexico, I mean, this is a whole other story.

It's fascinating, but one of the medications that you can use to induce an abortion, you can get it over the counter for stomach ulcers and other medical conditions. So when the law prohibits abortions, people can try to work together to find ways around it. And of course, that's not medical advice. I mean, a life is unsafe, but that's just something that the state forces us into doing, unfortunately. And then I think just the very last thing is that abortion is healthcare. We've heard that slogan over and over and over again at protests. And I think we can't forget that public health care and universal health care is also essential to this fight for abortion. In Mexico, actually, because health care is public, women who go to clinics to seek

abortion can also access other services and counseling. They can get away from domestic violence at home. They can get birth control or their partners can get vasectomies. So the fact that public health care is also there and they don't have to worry about paying exorbitant amounts every time you visit a clinic also really helps. as a movement in the U.S., we need to pay more attention to activists in the rest of the world. There's been the question brought up of, oh, is this cultural appropriation to wear these green bandanas? Are we parading all their hard work as our own? And activists have said, and here's a quote, that we're here to push back and loudly state that political solidarity is not theft. This fight is not ours alone. So they are inviting collaboration. They're offering help because we're just in a position where we desperately, desperately need help. And we shouldn't let ourselves be isolated, just as the government has really wanted us to be throughout all of history,

the government has really wanted us to be throughout all of history to make us feel this sense of american superiority make us feel like we're better than these other countries and we should look down on them that is just not the way to go right now like we really need to get take the fucking help that's that's good advice in general in life and like especially in this where the united states is people not yet you don't have somebody hey man you are right over there if you if you don't need help right you know that's like no no no no no we're good we're good we know we are yes please we're not worried about you stealing from us trust me yeah we y'all need everything we're we're trying to help you but yeah the u.s has a hard time getting their brain around anything that and americans like

we just it's like our pathology to not acknowledge that we need help in any capacity whether that's personally or collectively like it we're built on straps yeah exactly like there's ain't nothing wrong with anything okay yeah like and that's who are. We're like laughing in the middle of a burning down house and insisting that it's okay. And I think the difficulty that we, you know, most people have to arise to is that like, yeah, it is very uncomfortable. accept that and use that to steel yourself and prepare yourself to say, there is something I can do. And it's not just about giving money to the right people. It's about being more conscious of what's going on, educating myself and encouraging others around me to do that. And to, again, look into mutual aid groups, because if they're organizing in churches, you might as well participate in a mutual aid group where you can be around like-minded people who also understand the stakes are very high for people and you want to help. And it's not like, it doesn't have to, it's not like you're going to some battle or something. You're just saying,

Hey, I have skills. I have maybe a bit of money or free time. How can I help? And that's it. And that's, you're already going to be doing a world of difference. And it's okay to embrace the idea that like we have to do something. But you know what? You're going to feel much better when you feel like you're an active participant than someone who's just sort of like passively watching, freaked out

and throwing money at a fire when Nancy Pelosi's spooky ass face shows up on a text message. Yeah. Well, Trisha, truly a pleasure having you. Thank you once again for your research and wisdom. Where can people find you or hear you? You have a podcast of your own, don't you? Yes, I do. So I'm not on social media, but you can listen to more shows of this type on my podcast. It's called People Place Power, and it's wherever you get your podcasts. All right. We will be right back to talk about toilets. is called People Place Power and it's wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, yeah.

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that's how it's's like 110% being. It's like, well, that's not a thing, man. I can make gold from wood. Like, what? Alchemy is our national motto. Yeah, that's the national motto. It's like, that's a fallacy and incorrect. I don't know where that leads to.

Work ethic alchemy. That's our thing. It's like, well, that's impossible. So, you're a dipshit. We're a dipshit. Anyways america has a toilet problem kalamazoo michigan just decriminalized public urination and the mainstream media lost their shit this is you know according to them this was purely done to ruin the lives of business owners and devalue property. Kalamazoo business owners upset after decriminalization of public urination, defecation.

And in 2017, New York City cops gave cops the discretion to punish urinators with a civil summons instead of a criminal one, which, by the way, giving New York City cops discretion over anything is never going to help. But I'm sure this just led to rich white stockbrokers being able to pee wherever they want when they're drunk. And that's about it. Because the cops aren't cutting a break for anyone else, it turns out. But when they did that, immediately Tucker Carlson was like, this whole city smells like urine. All of a sudden, the first time that New York had ever smelled like urine. But yeah, I mean, public urination shouldn't just be decriminalized, it should be legalized. These laws really only serve to punish the most vulnerable. According to one report, 20 to 30 percent of

unhoused people have been cited or arrested for public urination. In 13 states, public urination is classified as a potential sex crime. Yeah. Like you'd be a sex offender for public urination, which is like, wow. It's like, and imagine if you're unhoused and they're like, you're now a sex offender, which means you can you can't really be anywhere now. Right. Like with all of the, you know, the, the,

the sort of boundaries that come with like places you can live near or whatever, being near that's. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. But there are way, these laws are a way of criminalizing homelessness essentially in Skid Row

in LA, there are 15,000 people and just five public toilets. Oh my God. So that's one public toilet for every 3,000 people. So not having public urination as a criminal act is essentially a form of entrapment because it's physically impossible that you won't go to the bathroom there. There's also some stories in Piedmont, Oklahoma, a cop gave a $2,500 ticket for public urination to a three-year-old. And in Ferguson, Missouri, which you might remember them, the Ferguson Police Department, well, in Ferguson, a family let their two-year-old and four-year-old pee in a bush, something I've done near constantly as a parent, just because kids constantly have to go to the bathroom at the most inconvenient times. It's like they have a sense for what is

the most inconvenient time, and that's when they will have to go to the bathroom horribly badly. But a cop came by and arrested the dad for child neglect. He was held for nine hours and felt found guilty by a judge. The couple understandably later sued the city, but you'll, you'll never guess that the family were black. So shocking. But so what one solution is there just absolutely needs to be way more public toilets available.

Right. Yeah. I mean, that's, isn't that, isn't that how you solve a problem well not in the united states no that's true they're like well how do we make this let the market solve it let the free market solve the toilet that's what they did like the starbucks announced that they would open their washrooms to everyone in 2018 and people are like see the market working they know it's a good publicity thing because starbucks are everywhere right that people need to pee except howard schultz recently came out you know now

that he's he's back probably now that he's like probably turning right i mean he's like union busting and has been was criticized during his presidential run as a Democrat. So I'm sure he's basically a fascist at this point. So he then recently announced that they will actually soon limit access to customers only, which amounted to a loss of critical infrastructure for the broader public in the united states like so right a a company changes a store policy and it radically fucks over the country that's the that's the united states but this this feels to me again like putting like dumping a bunch of of labor on service workers who aren't being paid a living wage anyway,

that you have to police the toilets. Like, yes, I think that was the fundamental problem with the mask mandates was that you were, you're literally asking service workers to enforce and get a state, a state regulation, like policy law,

something, something right. It's like, you don't. Yeah. And like your life being threatened, like that's, it's not worth don't yeah and like your life being threatened like that's it's not worth that it's not it's not i've always found that people who don't want to wear a mask in public seem to be very reasonable and just like easy to talk to and like here you want to hear you out

that is i feel like people not like refusing to wear a mask when it's appropriate or required is like the domestic violence of like gun owner of like mass shootings it's just like oh those those are the people who are going to flip out and try and fight you in this subway or wherever you are but thanks for bringing it back to subway yeah can i just throw in really quickly historically that cities were cities were adding lots of public toilets until desegregation and then they started closing them down huh huh wow interesting fascinating the hand of white supremacy is always yeah always always that's why we don't have enough toilets because white people

yeah countries like iceland have around 56 toilets per 100 000 people the u.s has eight yeah for one because people don't have to pee right exactly hey piss in your bootstraps yeah we we have stronger willpower so we're able to just hold it longer than people in iceland but yeah it's straight up it's white supremacy and racism like that yeah it's and it doesn't even again like everything when there's a problem they don't fucking actually address it people are pissing everywhere what's the problem because there's not enough toilets what's the solution fucking make them sex offenders what wait i'm sorry did you did you skip a step there nope that's straight up what we're doing.

That's how you stop them. Like California sitting on a record-breaking surplus of taxpayer money. And rather than spending that on building public toilets, they instead brag about having a surplus. And it works. First of all, the media is like, holy shit, Newsom. We should make him president. He has a surplus and uh it works first of all the media is like holy shit newsome he we should make him president he has a surplus and then also it's austerity and yeah and then like start freaking out about san francisco having like poop on the street like that's that's how people

you look at a place like in london right I was just there. They have public urinals fucking everywhere. Because they're like, man, too many people leave the pubs and shit or whatever. And they just piss all over the street. Yeah. Their solution was, well, then put up some fucking urinals that people can use. And like more toilets for people. And then you're spending less time cleaning up piss in the streets and giving a person to use the fucking bathroom. London has some experience there.

I'm like, they used to use the streets as the sewers, so they would know. They've evolved. They've come around to the idea. Everyone used to use it as the sewers, though. Well, that was like theanish colonizers when they first came to like south america they were like what the fuck is this your streets are clean yeah right where do i go pee it is definitely a european settler european colonizer movement of yeah we just kind of shit everywhere right but we also put you in jail for it yeah right we put you in jail for it not us

that's our right that's our divine right as colonizers now show me the latest the closest place i can defecate on something sacred so just uh to kind of close the loop on this the u.s government and you know various like local organizations have pointed to the high costs for installing public toilets. But in fact, you actually save money by investing in restrooms because you wind up spending millions cleaning up all the pee and poop around your city. Never mind public health. Right.

Yeah. According to the World Bank, every dollar spent on urban sanitation brings a return of $2.50 to the economy through reduction in medical costs and increased productivity. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. Reduction in medical costs? I'm sorry. That's not what happened here, fam. Not profitable. If anything, I need to increase the medical costs so I can keep my pockets fat, okay? Like, what the fuck? so I can keep my pockets fat, okay?

Like, what the fuck? It's so frustrating. That's people pooping on land that I'm not going to because I'm going to my country club where the people who have to poop and pee everywhere are not allowed in. So, you know, it's just the public parks that get shit on and peed on and make people sick. And it's not my country club, though.

Anyways. Piss on your local country club. Yeah. Let's start the movement. Start reaching out. Just being like, hey, golf clubs, golf courses shouldn't exist, right? And see what kind of response you get. I bet there's more people who agree with you.

All right. Tori, truly a pleasure as always having you yes uh where can people find you i'm following you yeah thank you so much i always love chatting with y'all um yeah i'm on twitter at tori glass and instagram sometimes at tori glass i have a podcast calledwork. We talk about anti-racism and like practical, actionable things that you can do around the issue of racism because so frequently people are like, what do I do? So that's what that is. And then I have another podcast called Go Home Bible, You're Drunk. And I just talk about my religious trauma and how fucking weird the Bible is and drink about it. And it's great.

So yeah, you can check that out too. Amazing. And is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying? I love the work of social media. That like brings me so much joy. I feel like there's a lot of art being done on social media. Oh, truly, truly culture shaping in every way, in every way.

Yeah. No, my, my favorite tweet of the last week was British people struggling in this heat wave. Stay strong. Your ancestors colonized entire countries in this heat. Oh yeah. I love that one too. You can do it.

You can do it. You're strong. Go. I like, I like how that's how that's how anti-colonial anger is manifesting in the 21st century. Yeah, motherfucker. Global warming, that's on you. Peace.

Face losers. Miles, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Grey. If you like basketball, check out Miles and Jack on that boost gray. If you like basketball, check out miles and check out Matt boost. If you want to hear me rant and rave about my favorite trash reality show,

90 day fiance, then check out for 20 day fiance. Let's see a couple tweets that I like from at Kate kitchen tweeted. People who forget to eat are amazing to me. I miss one meal and I'm burning bridges with immediate family members. I miss two. That's organ failure, total body and mind shut down by the end of one calendar day.

And I think about the times I've done that. And I'm like, I'm like, that's what it is because I've been duped into just working or whatever the fuck is going on and then also at aloha cats with two s's i know a lot of people have posted like about pets like where they say if you're hot they're hot bring them inside uh and it was a same construction we've seen on a few viral tweets it says if you're hot they're hot bring them inside and the picture is like of someone's like view into their backyard and it's an ewok trying to come in and i just love the idea of like bring your ewoks in bring your ewoks in that's funny before you find out my favorite tweets are where to follow me first of all mad boost is really fun even if

you're not into the nba uh if you just want to hear miles and i having a real good time it's like it's like a load is lifted off our shoulders. And we really have a nice laugh. We're having a laugh. Having a laugh and get to just focus on one thing that brings us joy. Also, if you enjoy this podcast, go like or go review it and tell a friend about it. Put it on your Uber driver's phone or whatever the fuck. I don't know. We never told people to do this for two years and then I was listening to a podcast I like and

they were really hitting people up to do that. I was like, man, we've had a great couple years. Y'all have done a great job. We're seeing great growth and we really appreciate that. But maybe maybe Zyte gang could grow even more if you guys were liking and liking. I don't know why I keep saying liking, subscribing or writing a review. That's your old YouTube habits. Yeah.

Like and subscribe. Yeah. Anyways, you can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore o'brien todd dillard tweeted i don't know who needs to hear this but living your life to the fullest does not have to involve hiking wrong i i like to hike but it it does seem like those two have become synonymous you know what it is my nervous system disagrees with your lived experience sir yeah the i think the problem is people go on bunk ass hikes you got to the payoff is to get somewhere and and behold a sight that makes you feel inconsequential you You admire the beauty of nature.

Because, see, in L.A., it's like, I'm not fucking walking up Runyon. You know what I mean? I'm not fucking hiking up to the Griffith Observatory. Like, take me to Mount Baldy or some shit. Like, give me some shit to see. I went on a bike, a bunk hike, where the only thing I saw was a bunch of brown land and then golf courses. And I was pissed. But it was and then golf courses and I was pissed, but it was useful for me,

but I'm just saying it doesn't have to, you can do other things besides that. Go for a swim, go for a dip in your public pool or at the golf course. Yeah. We're in the, in the pond at the golf course, the water trap at the golf courses.

They call it, they don't even appreciate their own damn ponds. They call them water traps. Fuck you. Golf mean i think yeah or you find the water main at the golf course and find like the get yourself like a you know i think what nine inch maybe pvc elbow open that thing up and then you've turned into a water park i think i think we can't officially endorse that. Allegedly. Allegedly, allegedly.

Allegedly have a Bronx summer at your golf course. This is Watermain. Manuel Dexter Eddie tweeted, do you think Winona Ryder quit shoplifting or just got really good at it? Which is a thing. And then House of Decline wrote, getting fucked in the ass. And he's right behind me, isn't he?

Oh my god! I liked that. House, H-A-U-S of Decline, like a bow house. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, Daily Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com

where we post our episodes and our footnotes. We link off the information we talked about in today's episode as well as the song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song do we think people might enjoy? Okay, so I want to go out on this track, this band I just heard called

Death, and they are a punk, a black punk band who came out of East Detroit. And like they predate the Ramones. Like people call them like proto-punk. They couldn't get, they didn't get a record deal because they were so kind of like about the music that this album they recorded was like in obscurity for many years. And it's just coming back around like a lot of music nerds this band death is fucking like amazing and if you like punk like any guy like the ramones and shit you have to listen to this shit this is from the album death for the whole world to see and it's it's like it's now widely available on streaming

but this track is called rock and roll victim and it's just dope like just to know that this is like was recorded in like 1974 75 and this is the sound that they're bringing it's it like massively warms my heart but at the same time you're like damn how much other art just gets lost in the fucking waves of like mass media and shit like that that we don't know about it so this is death with rock and roll victim all right well go listen to that it will be linked in the footnotes the daily zeitgeist production of iheart radio for more podcasts from iheart radio visit the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you listen to your favorite shows that is gonna do it for us this morning we're back this afternoon to tell you what's trending and we will talk to y'all then bye bye bye i'm jess casavetto executive producer

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