The Daily Zeitgeist - The Hug Heard Round The World, Mariah “Pinkerton” Carey 11.04.25

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

In episode 1958, Jack and Miles are joined by artist and musician, Janie Danger, to discuss… 9% of NYC Will Self Rapture If Mamdani Wins!!! What’s The Deal With Erika Kirk And JD Vance? M...ariah Carey Announces Christmas Season By Union Busting Santa’s Elves, New Lorre Lore…Chuck Lorre (Big Bang Theory, Two And A Half Men) Wrote The TMNT Theme and more! Erika Kirk: “No one will ever replace my husband, but I do see some similarities of my husband in JD” J.D. Vance, Erika Kirk at University of Mississippi Mariah Carey Announces Christmas Season By Union Busting Santa’s Elves Mariah Carey Declares ‘It’s Time’ for the Holidays in True Diva Fashion with an Elf Showdown and a Festive New Collab: Watch Chuck Lorre on writing the "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle" themesong The Prolific Sitcom Producer Who Wrote the Theme to ‘Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles’ LISTEN: Coming Home by PachymanSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Some of that beep, beep, give me some of that honk, hunk. I think it should have just been a song about cars personally. How is it not in a car commercial? Give me some of that beep, beep, give me some of that honk, honk, throw in the car in reverse. Then switching to drive. What a smooth ride.
Starting point is 00:00:28 the new Hyundai Alantra how does that not happen already I mean that should have been a kid's bop song are you sure it wasn't because they turned those around pretty fast I think there was a little gap when that song came out
Starting point is 00:00:44 and he was still socially acceptable Kidsbop remix to Ignatian there's no official kids Bob version of Ari Kelly's Ignition Remax official version come on
Starting point is 00:00:58 That's on KidsBop. That's KidsBop fucked up. Yeah, they've never. I mean, that's a good thing. They never did a Kidsop. I mean, they've gone pretty far before, I think, in the songs they've chosen and the lyrics, they've decided to switch up. I just, uh, I don't have any examples on deck, but I know they've had this song about cars. Like, they did Thrift Shop, which has like R. Kelly's Piss.
Starting point is 00:01:21 I was like R. Kelly's Sheetspeak. Okay, yeah, there you go. It's adjacent. Mm-hmm. Smells like my baseball. cleats. Ew. That's what it was, yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:30 Did they really? It was something like that, yeah. It was, it was, smells like my baseball cleats. Will Naz-X's Montero, they changed the lyric, shoot a child in your mouth while I'm riding into put a smile on your mouth whilst we're dining. I mean. If you have to rework a come joke or cum lyric, it can't, it has to be a. immediately disqualify.
Starting point is 00:01:59 Apparently the original is put a smile in your mouth while I'm riding. So it's not shoot a child in your mouth. Either. Because that would be difficult. Yeah. Depends on a smile. But anyway. This is an I-Heart podcast.
Starting point is 00:02:23 Hey, I'm Cal Penn. And on my new podcast, here we go again. we'll take today's trends and headlines and ask, why does history keep repeating itself? Each week, I'm calling up my friends, like Bill Nye, Lily Singh, and Pete Buttigieg to talk about everything from the space race
Starting point is 00:02:39 to movie remakes to psychedelics. Put another way, are you high? Look, the world can seem pretty scary right now. But my goal here is for you to listen and feel a little better about the future. Listen and subscribe to Here We Go Again with Cal Penn on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:02:59 Two rich young Americans move to the Costa Rican jungle to start over, but one of them will end up dead and the other tried for murder three times. It starts with a dream, a nature reserve and a spectacular new home. But little by little, they lose it. They actually lose it. They sort of went nuts. Until one night, everything spins out of control. Listen to Hell in Heaven on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Big Take podcast from Bloomberg News keeps you on top of the biggest stories of the day.
Starting point is 00:03:39 My fellow Americans, this is Liberation Day. Stories that move markets. Chair Powell opened the door to this first interest rate cut. Impact politics, change businesses. This is a really... stunning development for the AI world and how you think about your bottom line. Listen to the big take from Bloomberg News every weekday afternoon on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:04:06 What happens when Reese Witherspoon calls up the king of thrillers, Harlan Coben, and says, let's write a book together. I was asking him basically to let me into his secret thriller writing world. This week, bookmarked by Reese's Book Club goes live from Apple. Soho in New York City for the ultimate storytelling mashup. Reese Witherspoon and Harlan Coben on their new thriller, Gone Before Goodbye. Can you think you're going to read for 10 minutes? And next thing you know, it's 4 in a morning.
Starting point is 00:04:34 Get the story behind the season's most addictive read, already in New York Times bestseller. Listen to Bookmarked by Reese's Book Club on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 413. Episode 2 of Dear Daily Zite, guys! This is a production of iHeartRadio, and it's a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's Share Consciousness.
Starting point is 00:05:02 It's Tuesday, November 4th, 2025. 11-4, good buddy, can we do? 11-4. This is the last time we swear, I swear to God, babe. This is the last time we do that, okay? 1035, good buddy, to you too. It's National Candy Day. Okay.
Starting point is 00:05:19 A little late to the party. That's it. that's it National Candy Day Yeah it's a leader I don't know man We're We're fucking war out
Starting point is 00:05:28 Yeah Yeah Well maybe it's from all the leftover Halloween candy Maybe it's when you eat the rest of the boat I think that's what it is But if I had to guess I'd say it's the
Starting point is 00:05:39 All the dang leftover Halloween candy But I feel like then they would say It would be like Leftover Candy Day Yeah that's right But whatever Well what is fresh candy Yeah that's true
Starting point is 00:05:49 Candy's Laffy-ha-ha-off the vine. Farm-to-table. Fresh-grown. Farm-to-table butterfinger. I do have two butterfingers that I snatched from like a candy dish. And I'm just waiting. Wow.
Starting point is 00:06:08 I get my annual butterfinger. You're just waiting? You didn't just eat that shit right away? I like to edge my butterfinger. That's something. Mm-hmm. What do you do? Just like lightly tear the package.
Starting point is 00:06:18 You're like, oh, that's enough for today. Just a tiny I eat it like Charlie's family And Charlie and Charlie and the chocolate With his annual chocolate bar You know you take little slivers Try and make it last a week To grind it through a micro planer
Starting point is 00:06:32 And just do bumps of it Oh yeah, yeah Just little gummers Just a little Mmm Yeah Yeah Keeps him going throughout the day
Starting point is 00:06:40 Like Don Jr. It's actually better than vitamins Or break it into rocks And like smoke it Like Yeah yeah Put a little flour pot You got some pyrecks
Starting point is 00:06:48 Yeah Or some foil Chase the butter finger shotgun. Yeah, with a hollowed out big pen. You know how to take the center out of a big pen? So you got the tube so you can beam up real quick. I know how to do that just from being a person who nervously chewed pens my whole life. Oh, and then it came apart.
Starting point is 00:07:04 You're like, oh, now it's a tube and I've ink in my mouth. Oh, my God. He's got black ink coming out of his mouth again. I know how to do that from Saw 5 when Strom is about to drown the death, but he stabs himself in the neck with a hollow pen. And we don't recommend that. Don't do that. Don't do that. For the people who remix the Kids Bob version of this episode,
Starting point is 00:07:26 don't we can't recommend that you do that at home. Shout out to the people that have been listening to the kids' box edits of the episode. I'm not a doctor, but I think that is something that people do to people are drowning. Yeah. Draming? Or just something about, like, subcating. Choking. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:45 If it's, if you got something lodging your throat, you go below it. So if you're at a restaurant and someone starts choking, just reach for the nearest pen. Yeah, yeah. Get it in there. They could die. You already have one.
Starting point is 00:07:58 You're like, wait, why do you already have one? Hey, we don't have questions to ask, man. Now, someone give me a lighter and a gum wrapper with paper on it so I can just burn the paper off it and be left with the foil.
Starting point is 00:08:06 What? The person's just coughing. Yeah. I'm, no, no, I'm good. I'm good. My bad.
Starting point is 00:08:11 Jump the gun on you. Hold your hands back. My name's Jack O'Brien, A.K., I want my wife to be a Christian. If not, I'll go fuck a couch. J.D. Baby. That one courtesy of Snarfula on the Discord. In reference to a story, we'll be talking about it in a little bit. I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Miles Gray. I'm on a whole mission because my
Starting point is 00:08:37 cats got autism. Kitty washing that body got strict routines and obsessions. Tripping on light and sound. Okay, that's also Snarfeel. Okay. And that's also R. Kelly. That is a a canceled artist, but that was a good that was a firepottism, aka because we were talking about how people are not even vaccinating their pets. Refused to vaccinate my pet because I feel like
Starting point is 00:09:00 it's, I had a dog before those end of trains. What is cat autism? No, no wonderful question that nobody. There's no such no single answer to that one. I think every cat has a hyperfixation. That's true.
Starting point is 00:09:17 My cat's really hyperfixation. on things that wiggle back and forth that she wants to grab really fast. And is the cat vaccinated? I would hope so. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. Miles, we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat
Starting point is 00:09:32 by one of our very favorite guests, an artist and creator of music that's been described as hypnagogic power violence. She just dropped, Kill Yourself Help Book, Kissing Booth, two songs off her upcoming album, Crisis Acting, out next year. please welcome to the show.
Starting point is 00:09:48 It's Janie Danger! Jainer! How's it going? Am I supposed to be quiet in the beginning part and just wait, wait for the intro? You're supposed to be yourself. I remember the very first time I did this, I like said something before
Starting point is 00:10:03 you guys had introduced me. I felt bad. And there was just dead silence and I gasped. I felt like I'm around like, who's this this energy? Who's trying to riff early in the pre-show? No riffing. Save it.
Starting point is 00:10:17 Keep the riffs in your pocket, lady. Victor, I thought you told her no riffing. Close your eyes until you're introduced. Close your eyes. Wow. A riffless podcast. Wow. It's like an angel without wings.
Starting point is 00:10:28 Yeah. That's the daily, I think, from the New York Times. How have you guys been? It's been a second since I've been here. Been good. Been all right. Been all right. Been all right.
Starting point is 00:10:36 God, good. Are you celebrate happy about the Dodgers? You guys look a little. You know, it's bittersweet. I, because, shut out. It was pit or sweet. No, no, more so because the team fucking, like the owners. like the ownership of the team is fucking backwards.
Starting point is 00:10:51 They're like one of the most evil teams of all time. Yeah, exactly. They're like, yeah, we're invested in for-profit prisons and turning a blind eye to ice goons. But either way, like it is wild to just see because, you know, like every city, any city that's been invaded by ice goons, just any moment that brings people together like in a joyful way, like we're going to take it. We'll take it. Absolutely. Yeah. But yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:15 I mean, they'll be happy about it until I. Issa, Deports Shohei Otani. Right. Yeah, right, exactly. God. Oh, gosh. Yeah. Owners can't do anything about that. Think about that for a second. Can you imagine the Blue Jays fans been like,
Starting point is 00:11:28 I'd like to report? What the fuck? His name is Yoshinobu Yamamoto. She's been doing gambling and illegal gambling and he doesn't speak English. And the FBI is like, hold on, hold on. Illegal gambling? The FBI is here for this. If it's people of color and illegal gambling,
Starting point is 00:11:44 and illegal gambling, yeah. Hates our country. It hasn't even learned the language yet, I'm just saying. It's so funny, because you watch him in the dugout and you're like, this motherfucker knows English. Oh, yeah, yeah, he does. Like, he's, like, cutting it up with him and stuff. I don't want to talk to these people to the media.
Starting point is 00:11:59 It's also, like, a Japanese thing to, like, not want to speak your whatever, like, in development English. Like, it's just more comfortable speaking as you can with a translator, too. He's going to come out in two seasons and be like, hey, my name's Shohai, you know, just like, showyotani, yeah. Right. Yeah, just like, wait, what the fuck? Hey, my name's
Starting point is 00:12:18 fully formed. Yeah. Sorry. He actually has a Midwestern accent for some reason. Yeah. Hey, I'm raised in Tokyo, don't you know? Don't you know?
Starting point is 00:12:28 Yeah. So we're up there in Tokyo then. Right off the Yamonote line. Jane, you're thrilled to have you here. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things we're talking about today.
Starting point is 00:12:41 We're talking about yet another upside of what could happen. if Zaran Mamdani wins the mayoral election today. Today. It's happening today. The mainstream media is awash in breathless reports that the race is tightening and that Cuomo is the comeback kid. And then, you know, big breaking news that 9% of New Yorkers have said that they will definitely leave the city if Momdani is elected. So we're going to talk about that really. I'm sure to people who live in New York,
Starting point is 00:13:17 very scary proposition of having the nine per- I was not any different than when like Trump is elected, never owns like, oh, I'm moving to Canada. Yeah, it's like me or not moving to Canada. But most don't.
Starting point is 00:13:30 Most don't. I feel like the people, it's all like millionaires and billionaires. So they might leave, actually. But they're not. It never happened. I think they just won't.
Starting point is 00:13:38 They'll be like, well, just like spend more time at their second home. Yeah. Which I do think is a benefit. Like, I think this is great news for, anybody who was on the fence about whether they were voting for
Starting point is 00:13:49 Zeran. Yeah. I truly don't think any of that will happen. I'm going to be like so honest. It's just an empty threat. Yeah. It's a dream. New York City. It's like they're going to rent a leave New York City or not. I have to fucking rent out my brownstone now. We're going to talk about a mega's it couple, Erica Kirk and J.D. Vance and like just the there's some there's something going on. There's a vibe. What the fuck is? Even if there is it. What the fuck is? It's not just us. That's on the front page. Drudge report.
Starting point is 00:14:17 They're like, Hmm. What? What? The Britney Broski? Yeah. They're doing the Britney Broski face. We'll talk about meta,
Starting point is 00:14:25 switching to AI ads and what that's going to look like for all of us. Good. It's going to look good. I can predict. Mariah Carey announced the Christmas season by endorsing, like, union busting, I think, in her latest, it's time. We love that for her. It's time for the holiday season video.
Starting point is 00:14:45 And then breaking news Who wrote the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles themes This has been out there for years I just found out This is breaking news in our world So we're going to talk about that All of that plenty more But first Janie, we do like to ask our guest
Starting point is 00:15:02 What is something from your search history That's revealing about who you are? Yeah, so I don't know how I came across this But I came across this thing called Tenter Battles And I don't, why am I saying I don't know how to, I came across this? I was on Twitter and I found this video of these guys in like some kind of stadium, auditorium, perhaps a hotel lobby.
Starting point is 00:15:31 They rented out and they're, they got these windows and they're putting this shiny stuff on the windows and they're like spraying it and they're going, like they're tinting window. Yeah, yeah, yeah, get the air bubbles out and shit. Windows. It's competitive window tinting. And I mean, I feel like every one of us in the world is guilty of just like consuming a lot of slop. Yeah, yeah. We're living in Slop World. It's the Slop Society. Cultural Ice Age is what I've heard a lot too.
Starting point is 00:16:06 A straight up watched 30 minutes of fucking window tinter battles. And I don't, like, when I saw this in my email, like, oh, search history. I'm like, what is there? And I realized that was the most recent thing I looked up. And it just really made me think about, like, how many niche little competitive events. Like, remember, like, cup stacking and, like, all these fun little, like, niche competitive events.
Starting point is 00:16:32 And, I mean, honestly, kind of gives me a little bit of hope. Like, I like that people are into weird things. Like, it looked like this event costs money. And that there was people that, like, Like, pay money to go do it. I knew this girl who was really into the vehicle, the Honda Insight. And she was like, I'm driving to Canada to go to the Honda Insight convention. And I was like, there's a convention for Honda Insights.
Starting point is 00:17:03 Specifically Honda Insight. That's like that weird little car that had like a half covered wheel well in the back. Kind of. Yeah, it kind of looked like a hatchback a little bit. I used to have one. and then someone totaled it because she just had to get McDonald's one day and
Starting point is 00:17:19 she totaled my fucking car and I will say I did like that car quite a bit. That first I'm thinking of the first generation had a covered wheel on the back. Yeah. Yeah, but I was looking through all my stuff as like identifying this mushroom
Starting point is 00:17:35 it was a dry ad saddle. Can I eat it? Yes. Oh, great. You can. You can. But you want to get a young one, the old ones. are white leathery. Owl. So far we've endorsed
Starting point is 00:17:47 eating strange mushrooms and traking somebody who appears to be a big pen. Yeah. Either drowning or choking on food. It's a fairly common mushroom, I must say, if you live in the American Southeast.
Starting point is 00:18:00 Okay. I like this, though, because to your point, so much of what you see on the internet is just already some version of a trend or some kind of content that is just doing, like the algorithm is just serving you.
Starting point is 00:18:13 So finding human beings in community exercising, like a very specific skill is like super. That's like, yeah, that was like, that's like how it was like watching like sound system battles, like from like the Caribbean. There is. I've been watching some window 10 competition content since you mentioned it. And there is something very like, like I think there's that subreddit that's like weirdly hypnotizing it. A lot of satisfying. Yeah, yeah. Like it's got that energy.
Starting point is 00:18:42 But also they're like not that. good at I think it how would you know? One of the ones I just watched ended and it like still had wrinkles in the tint. I'd like to see you do better.
Starting point is 00:18:52 Oh, I would not do better. A fellow window tent competition right now. But you do see the results of bad tint jobs in L.S. The squeezy battle is wild because how quick can you get this fucking thing spotless? No, there's straight out getting it.
Starting point is 00:19:07 Nothing's better than when you're squeegeing something and it's really working. I think we're all just looking for the next subway surfers or family guy clips or kinetic sand videos. Right, right, right. I love connectic
Starting point is 00:19:23 same videos. I guess unless I'm sitting down and I'm watching a movie or I'm reading a book and I want to actually like experience art for what it is, I think I just want subway surfers cocoa melon adult cocoa melon
Starting point is 00:19:40 con shop. Just get me through this. Yeah. Yeah. What's something you think's underrated? Oh, so I had a few options here. But this is something like that I thought about while I was on the road, something I mentioned like just before recording. But like I don't, I feel like it would be like not fair to say, you said underrated, right?
Starting point is 00:19:59 I did. Okay. I feel like it wouldn't be fair to say that country music is underrated. Because country music's kind of having a moment right now. It's, I mean, rap music is not as dominant as it was. rock music hasn't been dominant in a while, but country music has never been my like go-to genre. It's not something I dislike.
Starting point is 00:20:20 It's just not really always my go-to. And I might be willing to say that country music is actually a little underrated, at least just for me. Had been underrated by you. I think maybe because I am not a very well-traveled person, but now that I've hit the dusty trail a little bit, that I've rambled, that I've seen tumbleweeds and saguaro cactuses.
Starting point is 00:20:46 There you go. Something about making a trip in a vehicle from Houston to Phoenix will, it'll make you want to, like, you know, start chain smoking cigarettes and playing Zach Bryan and sobbing at a karaoke bar in Houston. Like, it'll do something to you. Also, Texas, I want to go to throw in the state of Texas. to the underrated category as well. I was a bit scared of some of the locations
Starting point is 00:21:16 that I had to travel through. No disrespect to any Texans out here, but it's just like, you know, I'm trans. I was supposed to be traveling with five other trans people ended up being just two of us for the vast majority of it. But still, two of us, trans people, traveling through... Like, I expected everything to be like essentially like a PVP zone the second I got out of like a major city.
Starting point is 00:21:39 and every time I was scared to like stop somewhere everyone was like so nice like like I remember there was like this like stop somewhere in Arizona where someone was like it was clear they were about to say like yes sir but they were
Starting point is 00:21:55 like yes you have a good day it was just like they were trying though yeah no they were a try everyone was being like so sweet the one place I got shit was like outside of outside of a bar in Houston and it was like pathetic and it was like this guy
Starting point is 00:22:13 came up to me and Caroline and he was like so are you guys like dudes that like think that you're women or something? I was just like does that line ever get you pussy bro and he like just got in his car
Starting point is 00:22:30 it was just crazy to me because it's like I feel like if I was in like South Georgia someone would just come up to be like, you fucking faggot, die. And I would have been like, oh my God, like I'm horrified. That's horrifying.
Starting point is 00:22:45 That is solidified, pure, unfiltered hatred. And that's terrifying. But doing this like, can I debate this about you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:59 Someone is just kind of dabbling their toes in this kind of debate lordy way. It was like, this is pathetic. Yeah. But you got to go back to the drawing board. But yeah, I'm fucking on some country dittily dittily shit right now. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:23:15 Like new country or just all country? I was, I've been listening to Zach Bryan a lot. Zach Brian. It's pretty cool. Like, I like, I think I have a new theory, all right? And I've had this theory for a while that some people don't like. But I tend to say at least one thing or two that people don't like every time I come on your show. I do not like pathetic music.
Starting point is 00:23:35 I do not like when someone is like and this specifically was like rock music and like emo music is it really badly where someone's like, I'm a piece of shit. No one fucking likes me. I'm such a huge piece of shit. And I'm a bad person.
Starting point is 00:23:50 It's like, okay, then I don't want to listen to you. You're a bad person. You said it yourself. Why am I supporting this? My music sucks, blah, blah. It's like, all right, it probably does. I don't want to hear it anymore. But I've noticed like country music.
Starting point is 00:24:04 When someone is just really self-deprecating and sounds miserable, like pathetic country music, it just, it hits right. It hits different. It has this, like, righteousness to it that I actually find quite sincere and relatable. And I think that there's like, I think that my theory is that with a lot of rock music that is pathetic, it's insincere. I don't think a lot of these people actually think they're pathetic. It's a pose that they're like putting on to be like. Here's my dark song that I remember.
Starting point is 00:24:34 think they are raging narcissists and they are saying that they're pathetic because they think that that will be like a relatable, like an amicable feeling with the audience. But I think with country music, they're actually, because it's such like a rugged kind of masculine genre, like to begin with, I think that there's like so much more of a sincerity to being like vulnerable like that. They're discovering vulnerability for the first time and it's like so profound that they had to write a song about it. Have you guys heard about this? This is fucking weird. Yeah, yeah, no, it's the guy who takes acid and discovers empathy for the first time.
Starting point is 00:25:12 It's like, you know, I'm happy you came around to it. It's good to have. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll get your overrated and get into some news. Here we go. Hey, I'm Cal Penn. And on my new podcast, Here We go again.
Starting point is 00:25:31 We'll take today's trends and headlines and ask, Why does history keep repeating itself? You may know me as the second hottest actor from the Harold and Kumar movies, but I'm also an author, a White House staffer, and as of like 15 seconds ago, a podcast host. Along the way, I've made some friends who are experts in science, politics, and pop culture. And each week, one of them will be joining me to answer my burning questions. Like, are we heading towards another financial crash like in 08? Is non-monogamy back in style?
Starting point is 00:26:02 And how come there's never a gate ready for your flight when it lands like two minutes early? We've got guests like Pete Buttigieg, Stacey Abrams, Lili Singh, and Bill Nye. When you start weaponizing outer space, things can potentially go really wrong. Look, the world can seem pretty scary right now, because it is. But my goal here is for you to listen and feel a little better about the future. Listen and subscribe to Here We Go again with Cal Penn on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the new podcast, Hell in Heaven.
Starting point is 00:26:39 Two young Americans moved to the Costa Rican jungle to start over. But one will end up dead. The other tried for murder. Not once. People went wild. Not twice. Stoned. But three times.
Starting point is 00:26:57 John and Ann Bender are rich and attractive. And they're devoted to each other. They create a nature reserve and build a spectacular circular home high on the top of a hill. But little by little, their dream starts to crumble and our couple retreat from reality. They lose it. They actually lose it. They sort of went nuts.
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Starting point is 00:28:51 You know, and try it right up myself. This week, bookmarked by Reese's Book Club goes live from Apple Soho in New York City with Reese Witherspoon, and Harlan Coben, the powerhouse team behind Gone Before Goodbye, now a New York Times bestseller. I think we both knew right away that this was going to happen. It's a conversation about fear, ambition,
Starting point is 00:29:12 and what happens when two master storytellers collide? I've never seen a woman in kind of a James Bond world. Come for the chills and stay for the surprises. And find out why readers can't put it down. Listen to Bookmarked by Reese's Book Club on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And Janie, we do like to also ask our guest,
Starting point is 00:29:45 what is something you think is overrated? Yeah, so I'm glad I used that one because it ties in with my overrated one. And this is a theme that's just been coming back a lot, especially over like our troubles and, trips with like touring and everything but being pathetic is overrated. Being nihilistic is overrated. Being
Starting point is 00:30:07 overly cynical is overrated and I'm never going to be the type of person who's going to be like, oh, have you just tried being happy? I think that the put a smile on your face. Yeah. I think the I don't know. I think the
Starting point is 00:30:23 tendency to catastrophize things is like I don't know. I I think it's kind of insincere in a sense. And that's just something I'm just really, I'm just really over. Like, I need everyone to get a lot more sincere, like, right fucking now.
Starting point is 00:30:42 And I, I think that this kind of, like, bitterness, this, like, failure to, like, truly engage with anything you like, or to just kind of be this shielded by irony, like, cynic is, it's pathetic and it's disgusting to me. me and I think it's so overrated and I think in the age of like the modern internet culture
Starting point is 00:31:05 we exist and like everyone's so afraid to embrace things that they like or speak up for things that they think are wrong or I don't know it's just I understand that everyone has feels like they have like this like overly critical lens on them and everyone feels like more exposed than normal but like bitch like honey expose yourself diva let's let's get naked together Let's be out in the sun in front of God. Let's be sincere. Now you got me when you said in front of God. That's...
Starting point is 00:31:35 I needed something I can relate to. That's... Yeah. I heard it. I heard that. I heard that. I mean, yeah, I totally get that about the sort of protecting your ego by being so rabidly cynical about things.
Starting point is 00:31:48 It's like, well, actually, if I'm cynical about everything, then, like, I'll never be vulnerable through that. Yeah. I think that's... It's a pose that you're, like, responding discomfort by being like, Well, actually, it doesn't bother me anymore because I've accepted it. And I think actually sucks too. No, you just got to keep feeling the discomfort.
Starting point is 00:32:07 And there's the opposite end of that too where someone like really, really likes something. But like when you ask them about it, they're like, you know, it's okay. Because they're like afraid to like, um, like see, this is why I've grown to have a lot more respect for people like furries or like mega weaves and stuff. It's like, it's not my thing, but the fact that you're so into this, like, inherently kind of silly thing is awesome. It's awesome. Like, I think that's great. Like, like, I don't know. I think that more people need to be less afraid to.
Starting point is 00:32:42 Well, I'm actually, like, sincerely just really into Zen and the NFL. That's five. That's Fox. You know what I mean? And so, yeah, I'm out here naked in the sun, too. Yeah, I'm kind. Yeah, I'm just, I guess, uh, taking, uh, three Zins in your upper. lip and then doing sports gambling
Starting point is 00:32:58 all night, it's okay, whatever, I guess. It's like, bro, if that's what you do, that's awesome. Tell me, there you go. Like, come on, let's go. Like, I'm here for you, brother. Banging out some parlays. We'll get to parlay in a little bit brought to you by Draft Kings.
Starting point is 00:33:15 Is that the one? But, yeah, draft King. What's the one where you can bet on like anything? Polymarket. Polymarket. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no. I mean, Pollymarket is trending in an interesting direction. Speaking of our first story, there's, there's a little bit of
Starting point is 00:33:30 a, the polymarket has Cuomo in the high single digits. So, does that mean nine? Yeah, like in that range as of end of last week. I haven't checked my polymarket policy. It sounds like
Starting point is 00:33:45 it sounds like what you would do if you're like a trans girl that just moved to Seattle and you're like, yeah, I've kind of done the poly market. There you go. What are, yeah, So what are the polls? Wait, what do you mean by, what is the high single? What I mean? Like, in terms of how close he is now? So, yeah, his chance of winning trended up to, I think, nine or eight last week.
Starting point is 00:34:10 So people, you know, there was an article where someone was like, if this keeps up, like, this is a dead heat by Tuesday. That was the one where someone was like, my baby doubled in size since it was since its birth. If this keeps up, he will be three billion. pounds by the time he's an adult. Zoron's odds are at 91% on Polly Marco. Yeah, I know. So I was going to say, so it blit, there was a little bit of a Cuomo, we'll call it a surge because we have to, because the mainstream media needs a story here.
Starting point is 00:34:41 It did kind of go back down. And so now Zoron's at 91% and Cuomo's at 7.8%. Oh, man. But everybody wants this story so bad. They just like, they're willing it to be true. the Zoran's about to lose in a shocking... Today, the New York Postist poet said, Andrew Cuomo would beat Zoran Mamdani
Starting point is 00:35:04 in head-to-head race for NYC mayor from, according to bombshell pole. Yeah, there's a lot of bombshells going on. Some survey you've never heard of. Cool, cool. I mean, maybe put that on your vision board. Maybe you can manifest it, but it looks like my sources point to know. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:23 As long as people turn out. We've been working the polls. of the magic eight ball. And it keeps telling us that... Doesn't look good. Doesn't look good for Cuomo. Yeah, so the New York Post, another angle that the people are trying,
Starting point is 00:35:36 who... They're going Atlas shrugged on that ass. Ein Rond. Ein Rund! They're like... I'm never really pronounced like that. That's so much scarier. Well, it is pronounced Ayn.
Starting point is 00:35:48 No, that makes sense. Yeah, it does. I think probably it was... Her name was Anne, and she was like, could we actually go with my preferred pronunciation. So they're being like, look, we're the rich people and we're going to leave this fucking city if you guys don't elect Cuomo. Yeah, exactly. That's the childish threat of I will leave
Starting point is 00:36:12 and I'm going to take all my toys with me if you don't do what I want to. Sure. There is this, it says, according to the post, it says around 765,000 people of the 8.4 million residents who call New York City home are preparing to leave with about 9% of New Yorkers sharing that they would quote definitely leave the city if momdani is elected the 111th mayor yeah yeah yeah now are you convinced janey yeah no they said definitely dude they said definitely if those residents were to leave it would be equal to the population of dc Las Vegas or Seattle essentially yeah go I mean honestly go ahead you know if you want a self-rapture out of New York city that that would be so many people leaving.
Starting point is 00:36:57 That is an exodus. I would invest in my job. I would move to New York. I think I would move to New York. Like right away, I'm a part of the Wall Street Diaspora. But like, do you, there's a period in, for like three days around Thanksgiving when L.A., just like all the people leave L.A., like, a lot of the transplants go back to, like, where they moved from.
Starting point is 00:37:26 Yeah, and it becomes the nicest place. Like, you could just, like, drive places without being like, this might take me an hour and a half, or it might take me 15 minutes, and there's literally no way to tell. It took seven minutes. But, yeah, it's just, it's how city should be. I'm like, New York is a place that, like, had congestion pricing to, like, try and make it, like, Miles, you and I sat in a cab for 45 minutes going three blocks in New York City. Yeah, like the last time we were there together.
Starting point is 00:37:56 Should have walked. We just watched people walking, but we, you know, we had business to do. Yeah, yeah. I remember last time in New York, like, we had gotten, like, we landed in Newark, so it was already, like, a journey to end of the city. But, like, we were not too far from our friend's apartment in Bushwick, but, like, we needed the sea train to come,
Starting point is 00:38:21 and we were just down there waiting for it to come for, like, hours. And I don't live in New York. So I didn't realize that sometimes the trains just don't want to go that day. Like sometimes they're just like, I'm having a mental health day. Yeah. And they just don't want to show up. So it took like, it was like a $50 cab ride to get there, which was awesome. It's, it's really, I just this thread is so funny to me.
Starting point is 00:38:48 Like, because it's like, yeah, go ahead. Leave one of the best cities in the country for Fort Lauderdale. Like, where? And I feel like if you're so incensed by a candidate running on the most basic shit, like straightforward shit, like affordability, we're not even talking like capital S socialism here. Like, then go on. Then, you know, have your time. And I'm not one of those people who's like, who thinks that Mom Donnie can't do anything,
Starting point is 00:39:14 can't do a lot of the things he's saying because he's just a mayor. I think he can probably do more than like people. Some of it. Things. Some of it maybe. But I'm not sure he can really make their taxes go up in a substantial way. Unless I'm wrong about that. Unless there's something I'm missing.
Starting point is 00:39:32 Like, I feel like that would be something above his purview. Well, it would be called tithing in his caliphate. Yeah, right, right. Yeah, no, they'll be a 50% to. Yeah. Right. But yeah, it's all scared. I mean, billionaires are very scared.
Starting point is 00:39:51 to end the media, which really, like, answers to them, are trying everything. They're making it, like, neck and neck. They're making it an existential threat to the city. And it's, uh, it could be. I mean, I'd imagine it's people who are so, they just, they just, I believe that he is there to, like, do some kind of new Holocaust against the Jewish people of New York or something, plus the billionaires. I think it's the billionaires. I really think it's just people being, like, he's going to do stuff that is going to. going to be scary for a capital.
Starting point is 00:40:23 I think it's also, I mean, like when a lot of, like, there's leftist victories happen, it's not always so much what they're going to do with their election win and more so what that win signifies for other people in the country and across the world where it's like, oh, we can win, we can do things. we can't affect change when they want you to be like, no, just you can't do shit, shut up. You can vote for a Democrat who can do nothing, essentially.
Starting point is 00:41:01 And things might not get worse. Maybe they do. I don't know, but that's the most you can do. And you can't do anything more than that. I still don't know if Schumer is endorsed. Like, on, I think on Friday, he was like, I'm still talking to Mom Dani. Like, about what at this point?
Starting point is 00:41:13 Jeffreys did, right? Uh, maybe. I mean, I've, I think Khahem Jeffrey's dead, kind of. I have been trying to. bore him to death so that he never takes office. I don't think that's right. I do think it's going to be extremely hard. I think the forces of capital are going to be extremely sore losers on this one and make
Starting point is 00:41:31 his job very difficult. But I think in terms of, you know, first of all, I think nobody thought he had a chance at getting the nomination, let alone getting elected. So, you know, with the power of like a lot of people who this is just common sense good for the media is going to be like he's failing and you know telling that story the whole time but if he can find a way like we talked about how shine bomb in Mexico like the first thing that she did was like start holding a every morning two hour press conference that was just like live streamed and just answered people's questions just straight like talking directly to the people like
Starting point is 00:42:13 there needs to be something like that where he's able to like talk to people about what he's doing that's not filtered through whatever the New York Post and even the New York Times want to get out there. But, you know, it's not going to be easy. Well, he's incredibly good at talking. Guy fucking loves to talk. Yeah, he's very telegenic. Just like with L.A., right?
Starting point is 00:42:33 You have a city council that's already pretty entrenched with how they do business. So, like, getting that put into, I think the other part is communicating enough that people begin to put pressure on their city council members to figure out how they're going to deliver. But again, this is... Cuomo thing, though, he's talking about how much
Starting point is 00:42:48 mom dani smiles now he said i mean all these things that people wait that's what they made fun of yeah they made fun of it on saturday night live yeah and so quomo was like exactly fuck this guy he smiles and so he uh he was like yeah you know all these things that people think mom dani could do like uh you know have grocery stores and like lower prices he would just smile and they'd believe him like he's like some sort of fucking magician or you know hypnotic It kind of reminds me of when Trump was making fun of Kamala's laugh. Right. She's not always lost.
Starting point is 00:43:26 She speaks in song. Just funny. So, yeah, Janie, Hakeem Jeffries endorses Bamdani. And then he goes on CNN and is asked moments later, is Mombani the future of the Democratic Party? This is what he said, quote, no, the lightning rod in terms of what's going to impact the ability of either side to win control of the House or hold control in 2026 is going to. to be the failure of Republicans to actually deliver on the promises that they have made and to actively make life worse for everyday Americans
Starting point is 00:43:54 fucking just the same tired ass playbook again they're going to they're doing a look at what they're doing. They're not even doing nothing. Both for me. Yeah. God. Good fucking luck. All right. We do have to talk about the new it couple
Starting point is 00:44:10 that's taking the world by storm. Do you say new ick couple? I think that. Oh, it's going to be it. It's being called the hug heard around the world by us just now. Just now, yeah. It's, uh, yeah, J.D. Vance and Erica Kirk. I mean, she was like, I miss my husband, but, and nobody can ever replace him.
Starting point is 00:44:30 Okay. Here, look, just listen. Let's just listen. Yeah. Yeah. So at a turning point USA event, like where, again, J.D. Vance was brought out to play the role of Charlie Kirk and do the debating of people from the stage. Um, she brings, she's about to introduce him.
Starting point is 00:44:44 And her whole thing is like, you know, I just want to say this is an amazing person. Yeah, and his wife, too. Sure, sure. She's cool. But no one can replace him. So here it is. I just, I'll play the, I think she's about to say and his wife because they're talking about how much the advances have done for Erica Kirk since Charlie Kirk was killed. They are incredible.
Starting point is 00:45:08 Oh, they're cool. Well, she's wearing the shirt. I see, no one will ever replace my husband. Uh-huh. No. Right. But I do see some similarities. of my husband in J.D.
Starting point is 00:45:21 And Vice President J.D. Vance. I do. And that's why I am so blessed to be able to introduce him tonight. He's an amazing man. So please help me welcome to the stage. Vice President J.D. Vance. So she just hit us with the nobody. Nobody's ever going to replace him.
Starting point is 00:45:41 But I see some similarities. That's a crazy thing to say. It is. A wild thing to say. A widow to say no one can replace my husband. Except for this guy. Two months ago? Two months ago? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:55 Like here's, and again, this is the thing that's been getting a lot of attention. So he comes out and this is like the hug that they share that go out. She'd give a little hair touch. He's hung that waist. He said, Shorty, let me grab you by the waist. Okay. The hug on its own did not. I was not like, what the fuck?
Starting point is 00:46:13 But in context of that speech. and then really the weirdest thing, as was referenced in my A.K. Is that at this same conference, maybe even earlier before that? I think it's after this. It would be after because she introduces him. Yeah, because she comes out
Starting point is 00:46:31 and then he starts speaking and then he hits us with this take. Yeah, that... You know, she could have said just as easily like, but he's someone who embodies what Charlie Kirk believed or whatever. Yeah, I think there's a way
Starting point is 00:46:45 to phrase that that's not as there's a frisone of eroticism there. That is a thing like I just remember like there were a lot of stories in the aftermath of 9-11 where like the fellow firefighters who of like people who like firefighters who died
Starting point is 00:47:05 in 9-11 like there were a lot of times they would like leave their wife for the wives of the fallen firefighters like there's a thing that happens when, like, you're, when somebody's getting a lot of attention from being a, you know, the widow of someone whose life is tragically cut short, and then, like, you are, like, publicly getting a lot of positive attention for being the shoulder that they lean on. But anyways, around this time, at this same event, Judy Vance, had this to say.
Starting point is 00:47:37 Yeah, quote, my wife, as I said at the TPUS is the most amazing blessing I have in my life. herself encouraged me to re-engage with my faith many years ago. She's not a Christian and has no plans to convert, but like many people in an interfaith marriage or any interfaith relationship, I hope she may one day see things as I do. Regardless, I'll continue to love and support her and talk to her about faith and life and everything else because she's my wife. Similar format, similar structure to the previous statement about, look, nobody can replace Charlie. But, but.
Starting point is 00:48:17 And I just say one thing. Yeah. I don't buy for a second, aside from maybe making like photo op stuff to like appeal to his Christian base. I do not believe for a second. I mean, this little Harvard fucking like God.
Starting point is 00:48:31 Like I don't believe it. I don't buy it. Especially like being Trump's guy because Trump is one of the most secular people of all fucking time. Sure, sure. And he also killed the Pope. Let's not forget that. And also I do not.
Starting point is 00:48:42 I also don't think for that matter. that if he was this much of a like true like like died in the whole evangelical type guy I don't think he would marry a Hindu in the first place well I think that's a recent convert yeah which is what's so weird so it's actually her he's a recent convert to I rest my fucking cave yeah Catholicism the weirdest people in the world the late recent conference I think I personally think he can convince himself of anything like he you know like people people like that like he he he there's part of him that is believing the bullshit in in maybe like he's doing god's mission by i think he is fake to his very fucking core
Starting point is 00:49:27 like i like like for him to like write that book and like present himself in the way he's presented itself his whole life i think that there is like i think he's just fake i do not think there's like a real person in there. Like it's, it's not hillbilly allergy. It's, it's a Brettie Sinellis American Psycho. Right, right. Yeah, yeah. Like it's Hillbilly Psycho.
Starting point is 00:49:50 When people were like, oh, man, what's a kind of weird statement? He blasted any criticism as being anti-Christian discrimination. Yeah, man. That's right. And then he like doubled down. Which is one of the biggest problems we have in this country, I will say. Anti-Christian discrimination. 100%. It's basically Christian
Starting point is 00:50:06 nation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, built on uh genocidal everything but yeah yeah yeah that's the problem that's the problem i don't know it's like i think a lot of people are like so is he going to dump usha to then have charlie kirk kirk's widow as his wife to run in 2028 is erika kirk the VP on a vance ticket there's so many questions i mean like it's just interesting to see the two because cash patel right he he deyed to embrace devali like in a post and then got torn down by all the these maga racist people. And I wonder if Jeannie Vance is like, obviously to be the president, I will need a Christian wife. And in this fucked up Game of Thrones-esque thing that's happening
Starting point is 00:50:49 here, I choose Erica Kirk. New spot just opened up. I'm going to be honest. I don't think people give a fuck who the first lady is that much, really. To make this like a deal breaker thing. I think we've learned that in this last administration. I don't really know how beneficial that would be that to have what I could see is more likely is Erica Kirk herself trying to have some kind of like I don't know kind of
Starting point is 00:51:16 Oh she's trying. Yeah they're going to go turns her way into the administration. They're going to find, yeah, they'll find a position for her. While I don't, well I'm maybe not convinced that there's a some romantic Game of Thrones style thing at play, a lot of these
Starting point is 00:51:30 people give me Swinger vibes. And swingerism has been kind of hot in the conservative movement. It's been hotter for conservatives to be swingers in recent years than it ever has been. And I wouldn't be surprised if a lot
Starting point is 00:51:46 of these people are just fucking and sucking on the side. And that's all there is to it. I would be surprised if they were not. Yeah. All available evidence seems to be that. Well, they're so into calling people cucks and stuff. They're like, yeah, you know. Yeah, it's very corny-coded.
Starting point is 00:52:02 They're going to change the conservative symbol from an elephant to a pineapple. That's right. Elephant with a little pineapple and said. That's such a good call about like the Patrick Bateman aspect. Like just watching J.D. Vance going to a donut shop is very similar to like watching Patrick Bateman like interact with people and just be like freaking out. Like his brain just like can't handle normalcy. Be like donuts.
Starting point is 00:52:31 All right. How are you doing? Yeah. So of whatever you think is ordinary. we'll do that. I think we've seen years of like the liberal version of Patrick Bateman and you I mean you still like Gavin Newsom's very much like a person like that Pete Buttigieg as well but I think JD Vance and like
Starting point is 00:52:51 you feel like Mark Johnson like I feel like people like that are an example of like the conservative type of Patrick Bateman where I think that like the years of like people like Bush or like I don't know like Mitch McConnell or like like Lindsey Graham, where there's like a southern kind of affectation to their, like, conservatism. There's like a folksiness to it. I think that they're pivoting more to the like stone face, disaffected,
Starting point is 00:53:17 like, yes, I want to make the world worse. Right, right. Concertitism. Which shouldn't be, that doesn't, that seems weird. It seems weird that that's their position. It does. It does. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and we'll talk about the beginning of
Starting point is 00:53:35 the season of Christmas as Daned by Mariah Carey and also big news in the world of Chuck Lori fans who don't know much about Chuck Lori we'll be right back Here We go
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Starting point is 00:58:40 holiday brand deal with Sephora. She comes home from a Halloween party wearing the classic Halloween costume of like a Christmas angel and discovers that an elf played by Billy Eichner has stolen her Sephora goods. I was Billy Eichner? Yeah. I can't tell. Oh my God. The way he's just, you're like, that was Billy Eichner? Yeah. He then tells her that Christmas is canceled because the elves are striking this year and he's stealing her shit in order to pay for elf therapy presumably like He looks like he's paying for Elpho Zemphuk
Starting point is 00:59:10 He does He's pretty slender Looking pretty slender And then Mariah responds to the revelation That Santa oppresses his workers So severely they're now exercising their legal right to strike And that one of them has turned to a life of crime In a desperate bid to improve his mental health
Starting point is 00:59:27 By using the Christmas magic to turn him into a snowman and telling him, you can't cancel Christmas. Yeah, pretty good. Pretty good. I love that. It's such a weird, like, why even have that in the script that Billy Eichner or the elves are going on strike? You know what I mean? This feels like also peak agency thing where they're so disconnected from normal people that they're like, yeah, they're going to go on strikes.
Starting point is 00:59:51 Like, realizing shit's so bad, people are trying to figure out how to, like, do, like, massive strikes or something to try and affect any kind of change right now. like yeah yeah because they need elf there you know how it is they're not paid paid enough we're going on strikes we're going on elf therapy oh it's i could have see it like what one version of this that was has to have been pitched was that the elf looks like zoron and is like we're we're actually canceling christmas because it's it's not equitable yeah they're eating too much elf avocado toast that's right yeah exactly and that's True. I've heard that about the elves these days. This is definitely, this is turning into diminishing returns, I got to say.
Starting point is 01:00:35 The first one, you're like, okay, ha-ha, Mariah Carey, you've done it. Right. Which you like turned Freddie and Jason or Freddie and Michael Myers, I feel like, into elves. That was cute. That was cute. After that, it's just like, but I guess now, look, you got to keep that money hose on. So you're going to just be like, where are my Sophoras? And why is this poor elf taking it?
Starting point is 01:00:59 yeah well i mean who the fuck starts doing christmas stuff immediately after halloween that's psychotic to me i'm sorry i mean i think that's just where the culturally where we're at like it's like okay now here's the next next just off the rails hyperconsumption holiday fuck thanksgiving because we're so devoid of any holiday that addresses like the spirituality or of anything uh that it's just like my mean thanksgiving is also just built on a bunch of nonsense but like yeah yeah but i mean thanksgiving at least like Like, I don't know. You can at least say you try to be grateful for something.
Starting point is 01:01:33 Yeah, giving thanks, being with your family. Like, I am ignoring, you know, like, Genified. The first Thanksgiving. I'm ignoring being too woke right now. But, like, I do think there is like a, no, that's what I mean. Like. There's spiritedness to it of, like, just enjoying your family, making dinner for people. How many people engage with that sincerely?
Starting point is 01:01:52 Because, like, I just think after, like, looking at just sort of taking stock, like, we just had Dio de los Mertos, it's like, very much. Like you understand what it's supposed to do about honoring your family and like remembering the people that have passed away. Like we have no holiday like no significant holidays in American culture that are even for a moment truly like it's everyone has to engage with it in this like way that is acknowledging something or doing a little bit of analysis because yeah. Some people like this is a day we're thankful. But I think most people are just going to get around. They're going to eat. They're going to get fucking drunk and then just move on and buy a bunch of shit the next day versus you know.
Starting point is 01:02:29 acknowledging those things. And then every other thing is like either hyperconsumption or get drunk type holidays. Sure. Yeah. I would argue there's maybe one.
Starting point is 01:02:40 This is going to be my dark horse pick. There you go. But I think New Year's Eve is one of the purest distillations of a, yes, there is like consumerism and like bar culture and stuff
Starting point is 01:02:53 is rampant. But I've always liked that with New Year's Eve something happens you know it's like we all get to reflect on like the year think about like everything that happened the year before like the months like the weeks leading up to it you see a bunch of year-end lists and it's kind of like a celebration of people surviving one more year in a world that is continually getting worse and I think that there's like there's not a lot you can aside from uh cheap-ass shitty bottles of bubbles and uh
Starting point is 01:03:27 Prosecco, there's not a lot of selling you can do aside from just like partying and stuff. And hey, I'd argue that that's not the worst thing in the world. I think that's better than like the rampant gross consumerism of Christmas. I think the consumerism around
Starting point is 01:03:44 like New Year's Eve is like, you know, it's a little healthier. Gets people outside. Gets people talking, have people socializing, having their little parties and stuff. And I don't know. Then you see the bars. Then you see bars in L.A. And I think they do this in New York.
Starting point is 01:03:57 like, dude, come through for bottle service. So New Year's Eve at this club, it's only $6,000. And you're like, what the fuck is this? Yeah, and like in Japan, it's also a similar thing. Like, it's a very, very, like, like, it's like one of the few times people stop working to actually, like, go home and like, New Year's? Yeah, yeah, yeah, like that whole, that, those first few days of the New Year are really significant. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:18 But anyway, but yeah, you got, uh, you got Christmas now. Yeah. Any holidays that are like two demands. I think Halloween is very popular because, like, it's, pure consumerism without any real family context. Like, there's nothing where you're like, you have to hang out with your elderly relatives, which America's fucking hate.
Starting point is 01:04:37 You know, they're just like, no, we put them in a home. We don't want to fuck with them. And then I think New Year's also matches that. It's just about like going out, celebrating. And there's also a tone of like eternal unrealistic optimism that comes, that comes with New Year's that is like a perfect fit for America. Yeah. But, you know, fine, fine.
Starting point is 01:05:01 It's fake, but I think it's fine. Like, I, I would rather that than, like, a new year is where everyone's like, and it's going to be even worse next year. It's like, no, let's make things better, guys. Yeah, I even like your description of it is like, to even look at New Year's to be like, hey, we made it another fucking year. Like, let's pat ourselves on the back. Which I think Christmas is kind of about to, like, you know, in its original intent,
Starting point is 01:05:26 it was like this is the winter winter solstice this is the longest day of the year this is like about this is celebrating survival but obviously it's been fucking ruined by woke i i oh the war on christmas is going to be crazy this year oh they don't they don't even know no you know he's trump's going to die yeah trump will declare flawless victory over the war on crisis like that's another war that i ended obviously is back people wouldn't let sand Claus B. in malls for a long time. We're actually unveiling a new character, Jesus Claus, Santa Christ. You're going to love it.
Starting point is 01:06:04 You're going to love it. All right. This is big news in our world, aka just a thing Miles found out over the weekend that we have to talk about. Had no idea. Had no idea. Okay. Chuck Lorry. First of all.
Starting point is 01:06:14 Lorry Lour. New Lory lore dropped. We talk a lot about Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles on the show, but it's mostly in the context of Stephen Miller, aka Teenage Mutant Ninja Gerbils, or Cringia gerbils, as I just thought. The reason I ever thought that name up is because the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle's theme song has lived rent-free in my mind since I was three years old when the animated series came out. It's just a broken CD. I can't quite place the theme song.
Starting point is 01:06:40 I'm going to be honest. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Teenage Mutant, Ninjas, this can be, this is a moment. A teenage mutant Ninja Turtle. Turtle is a half-shell. Turtle power. They're the world supposed to be a fighting team. Okay. It's not composition.
Starting point is 01:06:56 complex, which I think is why it, like, burrowed so deeply into my brain. But there's, I, I, I just found out that Chuck Lorry of two and a half men, Big Bang Theory fame is the one who wrote the theme song for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. And apparently, people pointed to like, it's not surprising because Charlie Sheen's character was a jingle writer, I guess, and two and a half men. Oh. But there is. I would have known that if I had ever watched it if I ever gave a,
Starting point is 01:07:26 fuck but this is so i found a clip of chuck lorry talking about it's just so funny because it's the driest most boring thing he's revealed and also there's one point it makes no sense i wanted to uh do the theme song for the turtles the minute i heard about it but uh the actually the original turtles were given the job if i recall correctly what what i wanted to write the theme song but the original turtles were given the job does that mean if i remember correctly I don't think you do. Turtles are writing it, or the people who wrote the graphic, like the comic book? The voice actors?
Starting point is 01:08:03 They were just like, I don't know. You guys figure it out. That's not really my job. Are you paying me more? No. Go and fucking do it. He goes on. But at the end of the day, from what I was told, they just didn't, they didn't, they just shrugged it off.
Starting point is 01:08:20 They didn't do anything. Oh. The people whose job it was to be voice actors? I'm the producer and said, you know, can you come up with a theme song and, you know, you have 48 hours. So he goes on to say they got two grand and they rented a studio that Journey was recording in, but they could only afford the midnight to 8 a.m. slot at the recording studio because it was the cheapest. And now I'm just like, oh, were they just doing a bunch of blow and just came up like, we're just screaming like, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
Starting point is 01:08:53 Like, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, sounds like it was written through a flexed jaw, you know? Like, Ninja turtles, again, just a good factoid for my millennial trivia heads out there. I had no fucking idea. This was weird because we have that fake internet fact that James Lipton wrote the Thundercast theme song. So it's like they took that, they took this real fact and then replaced it with a different. because I guess James Lipton is like a little bit more well known than Chuck Lori.
Starting point is 01:09:28 I'm sorry. Who the fuck is Chuck Lori? It doesn't matter. I don't even know. I just know him as the guy behind the biggest CBS sitcoms. So like it's a name that like everybody just creates. Is he a writer? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:43 He was like the show creator. He was like the Larry David of two and a half men. And then you thought he couldn't do it again. But the Big Bang theory come along and he's evil Larry David. Yeah. And you thought he couldn't do it again and then young Sheldon fucking dropped. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:09:59 Bizarro Antichrist Larry David got it. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who also on the side, maybe just did an eight ball and wrote the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles theme song in a couple hours. I totally believed, by the way,
Starting point is 01:10:10 that James Lipton. Had you guys heard that James Lipton wrote the Thundercast theme song? The cinema guy? James Lipton? Yeah, yeah. I had heard that somewhere and was just like, well,
Starting point is 01:10:19 no one would make that up. That's too dumb to make up. He doesn't seem like a music person. Doesn't at all. And it turns out is not. It's fake. But there, yeah, I don't know. Alan Thick wrote, I thought Alan Thick wrote the theme song to Growing Pains, his show.
Starting point is 01:10:37 But he wrote the theme song to different strokes and the facts of life, which are two of the 80s. You take the goods. You take the bad. You take the button and have the facts of life. And different strokes to rule. Different strokes rule. you're showing me that video it was like the complete opposite
Starting point is 01:10:57 of when I watched the video of how Angelo Battle of Menti came up with the Twin Peaks theme and the Laura Palmer's theme where he is so passionate about it like standing over his piano and he's like David was above me and David was like
Starting point is 01:11:14 you're going into the woods and it gets darker so I go down a key and I make it darker and you're going into the woods if you need something to like wash your palette away to make you really believe in the power of music again look up Angelo Battle of Menti creating Laura Palmer's theme
Starting point is 01:11:31 it is an incredible watch I'm gonna have to do that after this well Janie Danger what a pleasure having you as always on the podcast where can people find you follow you all that good stuff I usually just say my website Janie Danger.com it's got
Starting point is 01:11:45 my links on it my music streaming everywhere I got two new singles and a music video for one of them that you might have seen by now. Yeah, I just went on tour and I might do some more stuff later that I can't really bring up yet
Starting point is 01:12:02 because nothing's set in stone. But yeah, yeah, just a few more shows left for the year. We have one more, we have one in November with Wayuca at Isle 5 in Atlanta. And yeah, Janie Danger.com, baby. There you go. Thank you. Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying?
Starting point is 01:12:17 you know you mentioned you mentioned this earlier well I am enjoying the chair company on HBO quite a bit I still haven't watched the latest episode but it's really good I hope there's a new smiling friends too there wasn't one last week but you mentioned the
Starting point is 01:12:35 you mentioned Catholicism earlier and J.D. Vance being a recent Catholic convert and I did want to did you guys see the tweet from the Pope no he had a really follow him, too. Yeah, no.
Starting point is 01:12:49 He's kind of, I kind of fuck with him. He had a really incendiary tweet towards recent converts where he said, in many years, many young people have approached the fate through social media. Successful programs
Starting point is 01:13:02 and popular online Christian witnesses. The danger is that a faith discovered online is limited to individual experiences, which may be intellectually and emotionally reassuring, but never embodied. Such experiences remain disembodied, from the ecclesiacal body.
Starting point is 01:13:20 And fucking torch those LARPers, Pope. Get their asses. Fuck those guys. And I think that's awesome. I think that's awesome. He made every little like LARPer Catholic
Starting point is 01:13:32 like racist on Twitter. All the little braper Catholics got mad of them. I think they've been mad at him ever since he killed the last Pope. Well, I like that he's a, I like that the Pope is still poking the beehive. So that's cool.
Starting point is 01:13:46 That's what I've been. enjoying them. I've been enjoying the Pope's Twitter just straight up. Just scrolling. Miles, where can people find you? Is there a work of media? You've been enjoying. Yeah, you can find me everywhere at Miles of Gray talking about 90-day fiancé at 420-day fiancé. What else? Then work of media, I like. Yeah, what's the work of media you like? Oh, you know, there's just an onion, just as we just, you know, or it's GeoTV Monday as we record this uh the onion at the onion.com on blue sky posted quomo makes the 11th hour pass at female new yorkers um and i felt just on point uh yeah and other than that i'm just i'm really enjoying
Starting point is 01:14:30 a lot of the other uh just people's like Halloween wrap up stuff they're posting about like what they did there is one uh yeah this is from at you garles dot v sky social posted i don't know what you did on Halloween but i spent i spent it saying six seven as i handed out candy to trick or readers to make it uncool. I don't think it worked because, dude, the amount of six, seven. Number of six, seven, I didn't do my costume wrap up this year. The six sevens were everywhere. At my kids' school, like, they do a Halloween parade.
Starting point is 01:15:00 There was, like, vast majority six, seven costumes, like people doing the hands thing. And then teachers in six, seven costumes doing the hand juggle thing. I didn't know what that was until I saw the South Park episode. Yeah. Doesn't that mean you have big. balls. That's what it means in the NDA. It means nothing. The more you try and think about it, the crazier it's going to make you feel.
Starting point is 01:15:21 It means nothing. It's nothing. Stop looking. Cease your inquiries. Six-seven means nothing. That's right. What is it a new religion? I'm going to follow this all the way to the top. There was one inquiries. I saw a kid who had like a bandaged up head and like an arm in a sling
Starting point is 01:15:37 and it just had seven and he was a six. Six-seven. My sister did that one. Oh my God. She was a seven with like a heat pack on her head. These people. And she did it explicitly to mortify her kids. And it worked. There you go. MC Shan.
Starting point is 01:15:51 A couple works immediately. I like to tweet from Doth, uh, at Doth the Doth that said no amount of daylight can save us. And then Andrew Nadeau tweeted me. I'm not great at Warshart test, but this also looks like my parents fighting. My doctor. Again, it's just going to be letters, man. You can find me on Twitter. at Jack underscore O'Brien on Blue Sky, Jack O'B, the number one.
Starting point is 01:16:18 You can find us on Twitter and Blue Sky at Daily Zekeist. We're at The Daily Zekeast on Instagram. You can go to the description of this episode wherever you're listening to it. And there at the bottom, you will find the footnotes. Which is where we link off to the information we talked about in today's episode. We also link off to a song we think you might enjoy. Miles, is there a song that you think that people might enjoy? Yes.
Starting point is 01:16:40 Look, we just need some good old like roots, dub, reggae. just easy stuff to listen to. I love a bit of reverb. I love when people record the tape to make shit sound like back in the day. So I just want to go out another Pachiman track called Coming Home.
Starting point is 01:16:56 It's a good one. Just relax. You know, just play it and come out in the sun. Be naked in the sun like Janie was saying. All right. In front of God. Yeah, but being in front of God.
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