The Daily Zeitgeist - The Manosphere (with münecat) 06.11.24

Episode Date: June 11, 2024

In episode 1690, Jack and Miles are joined by media critic and musician, münecat, to discuss… The Manosphere and more! LISTEN: Honda Civic by münecatSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

we've got a bit of an election happening over here soon too you might have heard about it it's yeah it's gonna be an absolute i'm gonna have 900 beers that night and you may well have a a felon running for president oh yeah i mean we do he is that's not changing what he ends up doing do he is that's not changing what he ends up doing where he's running from unprecedented times in the best way possible it's all unprecedented because we just hadn't come up with the idea of how cool to do it exactly yeah anyway you you guys might pick up a thing or two over there from us hey england here's a free lesson. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult.

And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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If you start thinking about negotiations as just a conversation, then I think it sort of eases us a little bit. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's basketball. And on this new season, we'll cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network,

iHeartRadio apps, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 342, episode 2 of The Daily Zeitgeist! The production of iHeartRadio. And this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it is Tuesday, June 11th, 2024. Get ready, motherfuckers.

It's National Forklift Safety Day. It's National Call Your Doctor Day. It's National Making Life Beautiful Day. It's National German Chocolate Cake Day. The first three felt, the first two at least felt somewhat related. Then Making Life Beautiful Day and German Chocolate Cake? No, Forklift Safety and then Call Your Doctor. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah

but you don't like the other two making it like beautiful day nah fuck that all right how about this one it's also you didn't let me finish it's also national corn on the cob day now that's probably the best one of them all shout out corn on the cob i do love some corn on the cob sweet corn we're getting into corn season it's corn season in America. It's corn season, baby. You grill it or you boil it? Wasn't it like recently National Forklift Operators Day? And then I feel like a week later, they're like, and oh, that did not go well.

Let's make it National Forklift Safety Day. Yeah, yeah. Not to do cool tricks on your forklift. Be safe. Be safe. I can spin on the little fork in the front. Yeah. You know how break dancers do windmills and shit? Watch this. I use the fork, be safe, be safe. I can spin on the little fork in the front. Yeah. You know how break dancers do windmills and shit? Watch this.

I use the fork, lower it, flip the wheel, boom. Yeah. All right. Well, my name's Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. I'm your hopeful prez. I'll never be the prez, but I'm your anti-vaxxer prez. But really, I'm not actually your prez, but I am. Bobby Kennedy in the middle of the ballot. Who watches over you?

There's a little wormhoused in your brain. Not to put too fine a point on it. Don't give this guy the key to atomics. There's a little wormhoused in your brain. That is courtesy of KevWhatev on the Discord. In reference to our third presidential candidate but first in all of our hearts and in all of our brains yeah shout out to kev whatev what what's that what song was that bird housing your soul who is that uh they might be giants

oh they might not but i think they might be giants i'm like i only know like they did like triangle man and shit right triangle man triangle man and then you don't know bird housing your soul no that's a bit of a deep cut some things culturally did not penetrate the bubble for me yeah it was that and maybe malcolm in the middle theme song that i knew them from yeah yeah there and the uh mickey mouse Mouse hot dog song. That shit goes. It's like a song from a Mickey Mouse show my kids were into. I was like, this song is catchy as fuck. And then I looked it up and it was by They Might Be Giants.

I like how secretly you're like, this song is catchy. This song fucking goes, man. I can't let my kids know. I have to remain detached and unimpressed by their culture. But anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Yes, it's Miles Gray, a.k.a. Whoa, green is not a color that is primary. Whoa, it takes blue and yellow to make the green

Shout out to FirstBlood522 I did admit in a moment of Vulnerability I was being candid I did not know what the fucking primary colors were And I was completely backwards People were hitting me on Discord They're like bro I'm an art teacher

And it really hurt to hear you say that you thought some of these colors would go together It was genuinely shocking i get it look i'm you know we all got blind spots it takes a wise person to admit what they don't know i didn't know shit about all my shits were fucked up okay it's like a single day in art class when you're in elementary school. I can see how it'd be super easy to miss. Don't make excuses for me, man. But it's just a thing that I think about so often. Like stupidly so.

Not a thing I should be thinking about as often as I do. That really fucked me up. I know. I get it. I know. I lost a lot of followers. I lost like 3,000 followers. Miles! I don't want to be priming my colors.

You are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a very funny media critic, a talented musician, just all-around artist who you know from YouTube where her work has been viewed millions of times

and hailed by the New York Times. Please welcome Moon Cat! Moon Cat! Thank you! Am I supposed to sing a song now? Yes, you got to. You're a musician. You are duty-bound to sing a song about your name.

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shouldn't be awake right now frankly quite frankly moon cat we shouldn't be awake right now and you're welcome you haven't had lunch yet and you're on it on it that's true i have not had lunch yet usually like as soon as we're done recording i'm like i am fucked inside out i'm so dumb about my food intake like i will let myself get angry hungry and then yeah and then just be like god and then finally eat and it's like i was holding my breath like that's how hungry i was i'm like damn you know that point like where your stomach's empty and like your breath smells bad because your stomach's so empty my breath never smells bad well shit between drinking coffee baby i've never tried the sniff test when i'm when i'm that hungry i probably should i think you're probably responsible

enough to probably eat when it's time to and we're just like i got just three more recordings and then i will have 220 pieces of bread or whatever the fuck I eat. But anyway, thank you so much for coming on. Moons, can I call you Moon Cat? Moon Cat? Cat? Yeah, people call me Moon. People call me Moon Cat. Yeah.

Nobody calls you Moons. So I'm just going to cut that. Head that off at the pass. No one's ever called me Moons, no. My mouth keeps wanting to do that. That's a very American. I think that's like an American thing. Like throwing the S on.

Dude, Moons, what's up? Yeah, Moons came through, dude. Moons came through in the pod. It was really fantastic. But yeah, it's so great to have you here. Like I was saying before, huge fans of your work. So it was really great to have you on to talk about this topic. Because it's, yeah, we just felt like, wait, we like this video. We love this

creator. Let's have a conversation with them. And everyone wins. Everyone wins. Because I'm sure many of our listeners are also big fans too. Yeah. This is definitely the guest that when I've told people, everyone's like, oh, hell yeah. Really? Oh, damn. Oh, damn. Oh, I'll finally listen. Oh, okay. Wait, on your podcast? If Mooncat will be on, you swear? Yes. Swear down, bro. Swear down.

It'll be in the title and everything. Swear down, man. We're going to have Mooncat. Yeah, I've been burnt before. Yeah. Put it in the title that one time. I know. Look, Gavin McGinnis, he's a coward and he bailed on us.

We thought we were going to have a great conversation with him about the podcast. We booked the wrong Gavin McGinnis, he's a coward and he bailed on us. We thought we were going to have a great conversation with him about the bad boys. We booked the wrong Gavin McGinnis. And we're sorry. For all they know, I could just be AI. I could just be an AI version of myself. That's right. Truly. Yeah.

I mean. For all we know. Yeah. Yeah. But you showed us your hands. You had five digits. They didn't look all AI and stuff. So yeah.

You passed the test. The writing on your shirt is complete gibberish. But yeah, it is. you had five digits they didn't look all ai and stuff so yeah yeah you passed the test the writing on your shirt is complete gibberish but yeah it is what does it say what's your hoodie say it says uh sleepy head until i'm dead oh hell no that's actually i guess it's not i love that because i am a very sleepy boy it has it has a little kitten on it it's probably this brand called Dogecore. The owner of that brand just emailed me one day and was like, I love your videos.

Let me send you a load of free clothes. And I was like, okay, yeah. Have you seen my video on crypto? Yeah. Yeah, it's not affiliated with Dogecoin. Okay, I was going to say. It's not affiliated with Dogecoin. Oh, okay. Okay, I was going to say.

But yeah, you've helped uncover everything from fucking crypto influencers to most recently evolutionary psychology. And we wanted to have you on to talk about your Manosphere video, which is a favorite of ours. And to really open my eyes to a world that I wish I had never learned about, but I think is important for our job covering the zeitgeist. It was very kind of enlightening as to what bullshit is happening, but just below the surface. So we're going to talk to you about that.

But first, we do like to get to know our guests a little bit better by asking you what is something either from your search history that is revealing about who you are or something that you've recently screencapped on your phone, taking a screenshot of that is revealing about who you are. Yeah. So I looked at my Google search history. The most recent thing was um cheat codes for sims 4 oh hell yeah yeah because i've i suffer from migraines sometimes

and i've had i'm better now thankfully for this but over the past couple of days i've had an awful migraine so i've just used it as an excuse to just play nonstop video games. Yeah. When I play The Sims, I don't really play it in a normal way. What I do is I tend to build extravagant cottage homes and restaurants and things. Yeah. And I just build and build and build and build. And then I'll play the actual game where The Sims go around doing things for about five minutes and get bored. And then I want to build something else. i just want to like create basically so but the cheat code that

i was looking up was like it was these cheat codes to allow you to put an object wherever you want it to because the normal game just makes you put an object in a specific place right but with that cheat code it lets you put the object like wherever you want it and it also like unlocks all of the items in the inventory so you can just go wild create this like create whatever you want so yeah that was my last google search i feel like that's when i first started playing the sims i like was like a younger i think i was what maybe just in high school getting out of high school and I like I wanted a cool apartment but I could not afford one so I built a mansion in the sims

and then I think didn't you need like the money cheat back then to be able to have like the nice speakers the nice tv yeah but now sims has now sims has like this build mode so like people like me can just go wild. And money's not a thing. Oh. But back in the day, you had to use the Rosebud cheat to be able to build a mansion. Which I did when I was seven years old as well. Or Motherlode.

I felt like it was the other one, too. That you would get the credits. Yeah, yeah. And even with SimCity, I was doing some version of that. Yes. And listeners should know. I mean, this is probably implied and obvious, but anytime miles and I are referencing our like lives or our children or any

of those things, we're referencing things that are happening inside the Sims. Yeah. Like that. Absolutely. We don't have real significant others. Come on guys. I'm not married in real life.

That would be weird. Oh, dude. It's strange. What's your favorite creation? The most satisfying thing you've ever built in Sims 4? I built my perfect country cottage house. I have a dream of having, I don't know, a little country home that's just like out in the middle of nowhere with a little stream running next to it.

I was going to say stream. Yeah, that's what I built. With a water wheel too, maybe? Oh yeah, the water wheel, absolutely. Tiny little bridge. Yeah, a little bridge as well, yeah. Yeah, a tiny little bridge. Yeah, a little chicken coop as well

yeah what is like for someone in england what is the ideal place to have that kind of cottage like where is just out in the country somewhere like there's lots of there's there's so much country area in the uk it's everywhere in the outskirts of leeds there's like loads of just country like where's the where's the cotswolds where is the cotswolds to be honest i'm not sure that's just a place i hear people in la be like do you go to the cotswolds um i think it's in uh i think it's in court is it in cornwall i'm pretty sure yeah let's see it's in southwest england uh Yeah, let's see. It's in southwest England. Oh, it's like

north of Swindon? Oh, okay. Anyway. Good question, Miles. Now we're geoguessing. Hey, where's... Mooncat, I'm going to show you a random photo. It's just going to be us asking you where different places are in

England. Hey, what's like the population of Oxford? I don't know. This is all we're doing, yeah. Asking questions that don't matter at all. I'm awful at all geography things. Yeah, no, same, same. Us too.

So this is going to make it really good content because we can make shit up. What is something that you think is underrated uh british food okay it's got a reputation of being very bad and like i kind of see why but but i think the sunday roast is overlooked the british sunday roast and also fish and chips is awesome it's just great going to a chippy is great so i think i don't i don't know why british food has an overall bad name because those two dishes alone are great and i'm vegan as well so i have i have i have to have vegan versions of both of those things but What's a vegan Sunday roast then?

What replaces the roast beef in a vegan Sunday roast? Just like whatever I can find at the supermarket. But you'll have like mash and gravy and vegan Yorkshire pudding maybe? Yeah, yeah. You can get them. They're quite rare though, actually, because they're quite hard to make without egg. But what I'll generally get is like vegan sausages or something like that, which is quite easy to find.

Full English breakfast too. That's awesome. I love the fry up. Exactly. Yeah. You got to know what to like. Like I love Cornish pasties. Every time I go to England, one of the first things,

as soon as I get off the train, I'm like, where's the fucking Cornish pasty shop? Like just for my handheld food. Yeah, there's so many good things. So many good bits of British food. So don't give it a bad name. Yeah. When other countries think of American food, just to turn that, I'm uncomfortable unless we're talking about America at all times.

No, but because I was just trying to, like, is it just like hamburger? Is that it? I mean, that's, that's what I think of when I think of American food. I think fast food. I think McDonald's.

Okay, accurate. So you've got us. You've got us nailed it. Yeah. I have gone to America a couple of times, but it was quite a while ago. But,

yeah, I found, I found the portion sizes definitely to be a lot larger yeah they're obscene yeah so that's what i kind of think of and like burgers and chips yeah no you're right so sunday roast is essentially like a meat with like roast vegetables on the side is essentially yorkshire puddings and gravy a lot of gravy yeah yeah okay so it's like a small thanksgiving dinner for sunday yeah exactly yeah that's great yeah hell yeah i love that for for you and and the world you want to have a roast jack what's that little

sunday roast shall we just to live like they. I can roast the shit out of some meat. I roast a turkey exactly once a year, but it's always pretty good. I feel like I've gotten good at that. And why make it such a special occasion? Yeah, exactly. Get that brine. Get my brine muscles going. Mooncat, what is something you think is overrated?

People with PhDs. Turns out. Like who? People with doctorates. Like Neil deGrasse Tyson? Yeah. That dude is sick. He's included.

He's included. Yeah, right, right, right. But, you know, the Jordan Petersons, those types. I think people look up to people with PhDs and see them as sort of like bastions of truth in whatever they want to learn about. When people don't really realize that academics are very, very sort of biased towards their own views on a subject right and all their phd does is allow them to sound more educated in explaining their original opinion but that's not necessarily the truth and i feel like a lot of my videos try and point this out quite a lot i feel like i'm sort of trying to reiterate this all the time in my videos.

Like, just because you have a PhD doesn't mean you're right about this thing. It just means that you've learned how to talk about your opinion in a more educated way with bigger words and with studies that back you up kind of thing. You're just the best at homework. That's essentially what you are. Congratulations. You toughed it out for a few

more years in school to have three letters after your name but like yeah i think there's also for a lot of people who think like that phd is almost shorthand for them to be like well when i get to that opinion i don't need to and i don't need to look at this anymore because that person's the expert and i don't need to like investigate or analyze anything they're saying because PhD. Exactly. Rather than having just a modicum of critical analysis. Now, here on this show, we actually usually say this about the other kind of doctors. The MDs. Because they had some crazy ideas during the pandemic. But we just listened to the PhDs and the people who claimed to have PhDs and they generally

steered the plane into the side of a mountain it was really bad so yeah no yeah Dr. Phil basically is where they really like that was a joke when I was younger the idea of like PhDs insisting that they'd be called doctor but it really, came back to bite everyone in the ass during the pandemic when it was like, yeah, I'm a doctor of sociology. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So you should listen to me when I tell you not to get vaccinated. All right. Well, that is a perfect transition into the subject of today's episode. We are going to take a quick break and we'll be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series

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And we're back. And, I mean, where do you start where where to start with the manosphere where to start i will say this my my first question about the manosphere was why videos so long all their videos seem to be at least three hours long what the fuck that and that's the thing that like kept me i wonder if it's a strategy like it kept me out but like for the people who have the worm in their brain that is like desperate for more manosphere content like it just it's a very selective group that makes it through i guess not that selective looking at some of the view counts but for people with such little rigor to what they're actually saying they sure say it a lot yeah and i had to watch a lot of those very long videos

i've never been more impressed by like the level of research and also more sorry for the person doing that right yeah i'm watching your it's like yeah same when we have like people who like monitor the alt right on the show yeah like how do you know that because i i'm like i'm in all these chat groups man i'm in all these telegrams like oh you poor motherfucker i'm so sorry but thank you but thank you yeah i mean two times speed is a thing on youtube yeah hopefully it probably you really need to get the nuance don don't you, of what these guys are saying? I feel like it's really, you know, it's all very tonal and subtle and nope. No, it turns out it's not.

Yeah. The thing that struck me first is like when I think about the Manosphere, like I knew all these figures like, you know, Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson and Fresh and Fit and like Sneeko, all all these like weirdos who you know are part of this this whole culture but like i and i always knew that it was based on their misogynistic beliefs but the thing that really came out in the video for me was like how much quasi science pseudo science they use to sort of buttress their arguments like in this way that it's not simply it's like dude like chicks don't even want to be with like a dude anymore like they have like no there's this thing called hypergamy man and that like it's really interesting how they use these sort of academic inroads to then display you know to present their completely like regressive thinking like can you just sort of give just everyone an idea of like those main sort of pseudoscientific arguments that are laid out to sort of justify this misogynistic worldview?

Yeah, well, yeah, a lot of it's rooted in evolutionary psychology, which is why my most recent video decided to delve into that a bit more. But yeah, their main ones is like, is hypergamy, where they sort of say that women are wired to want to date men that earn more than them um and there's like no way that that could be programmed out of them it's just innate and feminism is just tricking them into thinking that they're not like that but really they are like that right yeah and um yes and they'll also talk about how rape culture is a myth and they'll use like cherry-picked studies to try and prove that as well right and also they'll say that um that even when it comes to domestic violence they'll say that women are more violent towards men than men are towards women and they'll use cherry pick studies to to supposedly prove that and they'll also

they'll say things like the gender wage gap is a myth as well and they'll cherry pick certain studies to try and prove that as well so yeah yeah it's always striking how these like sort of these backwards ways of thinking they're always they always find a way to be like that thing that is reality is actually not true. And here's this way to kind of intellectually get yourself out of this way of thinking or believing that what is happening is actually not happening. And it's actually like a myth. And there's always this, I'm always amazed at the just like like the lack of, well, I'm sure we'll get to it. It feels like a lot of these ideologies, they prop up when the logic of their beliefs hit a dead end. Like being a man was supposed to be enough, you know? And I just exist. But things aren't, I'm not experiencing all these things I see on television or the things that I believed I am so now well what does that mean oh it's that everything

else is fucked up there's nothing I need to do to change let me now like let me stay sort of fixed in my belief and then begin to explain why everything else is not the issue or everything else is the issue rather than like how i'm interacting with the world yeah it basically like when i before i investigated the manosphere i investigated quite a few different like scams like sort of property investment scams and multi-level marketing schemes and stuff like that and i found that it definitely worked in much the same way as many scams in the way that it would sort of target people and it would reel in people who definitely felt a bit lost in life and just were looking for you know like something else to blame it on right and we're offering a

way out of that via way via paying whoever whoever this influencer was for a course or whatever. So yeah, the manners feel definitely real in men who sort of feel like they don't have a purpose in life. And I guess in the past, your purpose would have been more easily been like, oh, I'm a man, therefore my purpose is to provide for a woman and for children. Whereas it's not that easy anymore just to have a purpose based on your gender. It's not that simple anymore. So I think a lot of men, they do feel a bit lost in life and it's not because of their gender, it's probably because of capitalism. But they're looking to the past and they're thinking, well, in the past I would have had, well, in the past, I would have

had this purpose to be a man and I would have been given a wife by someone and that would have been me and that would have been my life, but now I don't know what to do. So it's everybody else's fault kind of thing. Right. I preferred middle stage capitalism. That's when things were great. Their version of the past was also a widely inaccurate version of what that time oh yeah they like to they they like to say that women were happy in the 1950s they absolutely were happy they were all on drugs housewives were on drugs right yeah a lot of the time yeah we were just talking recently about like you know the stepford wives being a commentary on that era of like just being so medicated that it was completely like not like dulling the senses

of like a generation of women but yeah but now like it's actually feminism that has created this unhappiness and now we're dealing with the fallout of that dude yeah yeah they're all into their feminist shit man facts there man facts the actual like details of the people that we meet in the video like fresh and fit i was not familiar is that the name of the show the one where they just like get women drunk and then explain women to women yeah yeah and then they don't they don't let him talk back and if they do try and talk back they just kick them out of the podcast yeah supposedly beating them in the marketplace of ideas right it's amazing like i've never seen someone like people be more infuriating to somebody else like just try like the things that they're saying about women like the the most dismissive diminishing things and then if in the off chance like one episode

out of many like the women can't take it anymore and get angry then the men are like oh you're just sensitive while being the most thin-skinned creatures so emotional so emotional the men get so emotional over anyone just like talking back to them right it's it's so wild you pointed out how like obviously you know people say this so much especially in the u.s like are you just in your feelings just in your feelings now yeah and then when they get caught out it's like no i'm having a fact response i'm having an emotional response i'm having a fact-based response you're like oh man i forgot about that quote that was hilarious the fact response is like holy shit man the amount of mental gymnastics they gotta do when that cognitive dissonance hits it's it's wild it's

truly wild yeah that's why in my most recent video i just dedicated a whole part of the video to facts versus feelings and how no one's only going off facts absolutely no one is every everybody has feelings and everybody's acting upon feelings and emotions you can't escape them because if you if you did escape your emotions then your brain wouldn't work it would just it would just short circuit yeah there is such a fear of feelings clearly from all of these men yeah i mean which is why there has to be an emphasis on fact rather than like i'm actually having feelings of terrible inadequacy yeah no dude the facts are it's fucking hypergamy man and fucking 80 of the women there's only 20 of the women available to the other 80 of men that are out there because they're all going for the top 20%. So that's like, we're already doing so that the way they have to set all this shit up. It's really, it's really fucking, I mean, it, it makes sense because right. We're so averse to picking apart our egos or things like that, or bringing any self-awareness to that, that this is such a convenient way to avoid any kind of introspection or self-critique because those are actual, those are, those things

are actually by default, like impossible within the manosphere. Like, I don't see many people being like, man, you got to sit down, take an inventory of kind of what you're feeling, maybe how things from your past may relate to this. it's always just like no let me externalize everything everything is happening outside of me because i'm fine but the world has gone fucking mad and now i just need to learn how to navigate that with my macho shit yeah which which kind of goes against the whole right-wing perspective of individualism in a way doesn't it just sort of blaming everything around you truly yeah those are facts And they have nothing to do with my feelings. Okay.

So I had never heard of Fresh and Fit or like a lot of the people covered. I did know Jordan Peterson pretty well at first. He's a friend. And I think you're unfair. No. He like the degree to which he has crossed over is kind of staggering when you when you look at like what he's saying. Women are like these domesticated animals who just like can't help but like respond to these instincts that make them find you. It's so weird. Like the psychological shit they're all going through.

Like so many of the videos I think you said at one point like come down to how ugly do women find me? Yeah. They're obsessed with, like, hierarchies, though. They really want to put themselves on this hierarchy of how attractive they think they are to every woman. Like, every woman is looking at a man and thinking, seven, eight, nine, ten. They're not. They're extremely subjective in how they find a man, how attractive they find a man to be. Right. extremely subjective in how they find a man how attractive they find a man to be right whereas but

but they're looking at women and thinking five six seven eight nine ten or whatever and they think that women are looking at men in the same way they're absolutely not women all have different tastes and most men do as well have all different tastes but they think that everybody thinks that the way they do in this very sort of misogynistic way so yeah it's some women like blonde-haired chads and some women like dark-haired chads and that's it exactly those are the two tastes that you need you need a jawbone that looks like a upside down football helmet yeah the perfect mandibular angle is what all women are looking for but what do you like who would you say is the the most kind of dangerous of these people who you who you've encountered the most dangerous person in

the manosphere yeah by the way they are going to release a video after this saying with that i'm the most dangerous person in the world. I would say probably Jordan Peterson because he's got the widest reach. He's got that whole PhD, I know what I'm talking about thing going on. They all look up to him. Like when I made my Manosphere video, so many people in the comments were like, Jordan Peterson isn't a part of the Manosphere. He absolutely is. He's like the king of the manosphere.

So, yeah, I'd probably say him just because he's got the most reach and the most influence. And he's being embraced by political figures too. I think that's what also makes it especially dangerous. I mean, like, you know, Andrew Tate is obviously like a scumbag and vile and has like a danger to society. But like the level to which jordan peterson has sort of been you know nodded to or like his ideas end up kind of like bleeding into like right wing yeah

sort of political speech and things like that yeah i i definitely see that because it's again it's that phd that sort of takes it from yeah this isn't a guy wearing a fuzzy hat and a feather boa and giant sunglasses. This is a fucking PhD, okay? They're saying the same thing, but the fact that the PhD is saying, I'm going to give that some more weight. Yeah, Andrew Tate is also dangerous, but he's dangerous in a much different way.

But he only really, I think most of the guys sort of into manosphere ideas kind of look at Andrew Tate and think he's a bit of an idiot so i think his i think his reach is is a lot is a lot less widespread than jordan peterson's and i think like especially since the whole trafficking allegations i think he he will say the opposite publicly he'll say that it's only improved his reach but i think it has actually diminished diminished his reach a little bit because there are there are actually some guys in the manosphere

who are like you know i wouldn't go so far as to traffic women actually so maybe he isn't so great jokes about it but i won't engage in the traffic yeah that's a bridge too far i will make people believe that i'm saying it not as a you know know, winky way, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's not the only person who has like bragged about committing assaults and, you know, sexual violence in,

in this world. Like that, that was kind of shocking to me how many of these guys are actually saying that they're doing horrifying things like in in the videos like yeah yeah that's how you kind of see like the evolution of it starts off with a like keep your room clean if you want to attract a woman and then turns into like why rape culture is vaporware it's fake it's nonsense and it gets more and more you know violent and yeah it's really what the thing that really struck me too is this kind of like it's so weird how these manosphere figures who are like

selling a course or whatever talk about the benefits of this mindset of this mindset because all of their materials they use to sell these courses read like this fucking bizarro utopia in some 90s movie about being the coolest guy ever and you pointed this out in your video about the seduction devil and his course and like what he's prompt like this is what he's promising people okay uh and i thought this was really eye-opening from your video it said and this is from a manosphere course it's like 97 bucks or some shit and it says in just one week they're shocking across the board there's no end in seven um in just one week after getting inside you'll find yourself quote skipping the line at bars and clubs high-fiving the bouncers and befriending the staff okay uh attracting nines and tens effortlessly without saying a word a word holy shit entering a cafe with your new girl receiving a warm welcome

and discovering that your regular has already been prepared what is that oh my god hey jack the regular. All right. I already had it here for you. Whoa, baller. Who's that? Another one on your arm. All right.

That's my man. Hey, high five. This fucking world doesn't even exist. Not even for people who they would even think are that cool. But it's it's interesting to see how this like whatever their lack of meaningful social interactions or what they believe they want to be has created this like whatever their lack of uh meaningful social interactions or what they believe they want to be has created this like version of what they think is truly like what like is what they're just sort of telling on themselves it's like wait so your fantasy is

to walk into a cafe with your new girl and someone's like your regular your ice your milk with ice is ready okay do you drink milk with ice yeah thanks man the regular half yeah i drink half and half with some little bit of ice on the rocks yeah yeah it did kind of remind me of um like how the crypto scams work in in a way i don't know if you remember from my crypto video the whole crypto land saga where they were like oh you can you could move to this special island where everybody just trades with cryptocurrency and and we we have communal working spaces and everybody's going to have a lambo and right but the whole thing was just so it was just yeah an absolute fantasy based on crypto it's not realistic at all but it's so depressing that their vision of utopia is being beloved by

service employees like that they like walk in and like everyone at starbucks is like hey he's here like it's just such an interesting like snapshot of like just dead soulless and end stage capitalism where they're like and then i'm gonna walk in and instead of treating me like i'm just there to spend money they're gonna really love me and they're the bouncer is gonna be like rules don't apply to you because. Hey, no smoking in here. Oh wait, it's you.

Hey man, spark up dude. You're the best. It's like, what were you not hearing enough in your life that created this version? But again, I think it says a lot because a lot of people, they are lacking this.

So they do like, oh my God, I would love nothing more than to passively attract a partner without having to do any work or any effort or to have the fear of failure of being rejected i'd rather just be like a human yeah yeah exactly i'm such a fucking baller that my my aura is enough to to bring all the boys or women or whoever non-binary people to the yard uh but i'm going for this it's mostly head dudes looking for women but like you know we talk a lot about

deaths of despair you know and how they're rising especially here in the united states and it's clear that like america in this late stage capitalism era we're in is like unraveling and there's like a cruel irony that like all of this manosphere shit is like almost like this it's like a capitalist response to the chaos that has been sown by capitalism it's like rather than investigating any of that it's like let me sell you something that is absolute nonsense that will actually send you into a darker hole um like you know if these people were interested in making things better there would certainly be some more again introspection analysis of like the forces that are shaping the world in which they

live but it's like the problem isn't capitalism it's that women are superficial and demanding too much it's not capitalism it's immigrants how do you sort of see the relationship between the manosphere and an unwillingness to like engage in anything that is like what what's a solution here it's because there's really no solution it's more like the world's fucked up this is how you'd be more fucked up to the world yeah it's i don't i honestly like i don't know what the solution is other than trying to sort of give men a different sort of outlet because there definitely is like a problem i think specifically since the pandemic i think everyone like not just men are feeling a lot more lonely right and they've been looking online for

solutions to that and specifically with the manosphere that this sort of gateway drug is when you look up videos on how to talk to women yeah to try and you know pick them up or whatever they get and like when you click on one of them i mean that the algorithm will just take you further and further and further into the manosphere and until you eventually believe that women aren't actually sentient beings at all they're just sort of programmed to act a certain

way and you get to the pickup artists who will like literally give you a flow chart and they'll say like it's like a dialogue tree that

you can have with a woman and they'll be like if you say this this and this and this then you'll definitely get her in bed kind of thing right yeah and it

is it's selling a very sort of simple simple solution to this very complex problem of of loneliness which i think is a genuine problem yeah and i think that's exacerbated by dating apps because everybody relies on dating apps nowadays yeah and i i do sympathize with men on dating apps because men have a much worse time on dating apps than women do although women also do have a bad time but and that's why they're that's why they're leaving the apps which which leaves more men on the apps than women and that's why men will swipe right more on every woman that they see and women will swipe left more because they're expecting women are expecting a match with anyone that they swipe right on right so that will make that will cause women to be more picky and men are increasingly not expecting a match with whoever

they swipe right on so that will cause them to be less picky and that just happens more and more and more and this feedback loop just happens even more increasingly all the time yeah until you get like a guy with barely any matches and a woman with too many matches and she doesn't know who to go on a date with so like both genders are having a really awful time but but that but the the mistake that the manosphere makes and the sort of that's the excuse that they use to bring a lot of people in, is to say that this is like real life now because of feminism. But they've got no proof for that other than dating apps. But dating apps work that way for a reason,

because it's not real life, because women have all left. But women haven't left real life. Women still go into like bars and things and you can still like women are still interested in making friend groups and so are men and i think we need to sort of try and get back to that sort of real life thing of of mingling in friend groups and you know making friendships that might turn into something else based on that yeah whereas i think um nowadays we sort of rely on dating apps so much that a lot of men in the manosphere just like think that that's real life and that's right based on the behaviors that they see or how yeah things are being sorted yeah a lot of it seems to be inter-human relations that are mediated by capitalists you know yeah the dating app profiles

or the the person who fantasizes about everybody in the bar who works at the bar liking them and it just feels like everyone's turned into a product like this is all part of this weird thing where we're trying to apply the rules of capitalism like late stage hyper capitalism to our interactions and then we're like what happened why is everybody so lonely it's like it's the same way that we ruined sort of like restaurants with all of these food delivery apps and right it's the same way that we ruined all of these taxi companies with uber it's because they tried to like laissez-faire capitalism all of these all of these um companies and all of these industries and they tried to completely libertarianize them all and they've done the same with dating as well and they've and then they've sort of realized that oh this is this isn't

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The recession happened. I had gone through like a bad breakup. I was like completely didn't know what to make sense of my life because the everything I had been told about going to university, getting a degree that would land me a job that would create all this like life momentum was not happening. And I, my dating prospects were just like not great because I was just emotionally in a terrible place. And I remember getting into pickup artist shit because I was like, maybe it's that I don't know how to actually like use the fucking game. Uh, like i read the game by neil strauss and i was like what the fuck man this is fucking wild like they they just they just bounced like location to location and then suddenly like you figured out a way to achieve like sex or something like that

and most of it too as i realized like it was just i like even reading that stuff like this doesn't fucking make sense to me. But what did was that like, I was really sad. You know, I had a deep seated fear of rejection, and I wasn't really able to like come to grips with that. And the second I was like, Wait, I think I need to go to therapy. Like, I think I need to actually work on myself. I can like it was sort of the only way for me to really see through that. Because again, shit like pickup artistry, whatever offers you this really bizarre shortcut to not be like, Oh, yeah, dude, it's not that I'm fucking terribly fucking depressed. And I haven't actually sorted out who I am as a person. It's that I just need to figure out like, what the what the different ways to like game someone is. and i think again like this is why it's always interesting to see that like the solution to for what so many people are experiencing is that little bit of being able to sort of take care of yourself in a way that is actually is nourishing for like your soul rather than kind of listening to some dude preach the like sort of

silver bullet answer so i always find it really interesting like whenever i see this i'm like man just look inward just fucking look inward that so many things could be answered if you figure out what those what that dark that void is within yourself and how to address that because if you fill it with this shit it's just going to have this like you know compounding effect where you end up on like these like really violent like incels like groups and like picking up these other really terrible beliefs that only going to take you deeper and deeper so yeah that was my brush that was my brush with pickup artistry it was me at my lowest and loneliest and completely

lacking any feelings of self-worth you still have the jamiroquai hat i don't call it jamiroquai dude it's cat in the hat but my bad my bad my bad pimp cat in the hat bro it ain't jamiroquai it's just washed okay but yeah like when you're at the like sort of lowest at the low i feel like a lot of content in the manosphere really really sort of allows people to self-loathe and that can feel kind of weirdly comforting like at that level like just just to sort of say oh i'm i'm like i'm a one on the attractive scale that means i will never ever get a woman kind of thing and to be sort of nihilistic in that way i think is in a weird way is kind of comforting to some people who end up in that

yeah because you're like I live at home what I'm going to do bring someone back and introduce them to my mom I'm 22 years old and then I'm like this is yeah this is I should have a mansion in a Lambo by now but you know what I mean but that's like that's the shit that you're fed right

you're socialized to be like, man, X, Y, Z. Then you get a degree. Man, you should,

you should have at least a, a suburban. Yeah. I mean, pulling up in a Chevy on rims, but yeah. And you have to, and it takes a second to like reconcile the,

how you've been socialized with what the reality is. And like, give yourself a little bit of grace to be like, yeah, everyone is different. Actually, it's not a bad thing, but I always treated that as to be like, I can't, I can't go out there living at home.

Like what am I, what am I, what am I going to tell someone? And then you see, it's like, dude, am I like a low value male? So I got to get my, I got to step Mike. But again, it's easy to see how that turn, like the domino effect can begin for a lot of people. Absolutely. Yeah. Shout out to one of my home girls who was like, what are you, what are you talking about right now? I'm like, no. Is that not how it is?

I just like, the thing you have to understand about me is I'm a low-value male. Like that's, yeah. There are like little catchphrases. There are a bunch of things in your Manosphere video that it's like, oh, right.

Anytime someone's talking, like putting someone's attractiveness on a numerical scale or like talking about differences between men and women that are like intractable and like species wide evolutionary psychology. Like there are all these things that it's like, uh-huh. So like this, this heads nowhere good. Right. Because you're like, I will not be chosen. That's hardwired into us

because a woman is looking for a male that will provide for them. I cannot provide for them if I live at my mom's. Yeah. You know, then you're immediately. But if you pay for their course,

you can learn how to provide for them. Yes, exactly. Just $1,000 a month. I wish that was one of those slugs where it's like, effortlessly bring nines and tens home and have them meet your mom as you engage in consensual sex in your childhood

bedroom. It's like, I don't think, yeah. I don't know if that's going to happen. But you can't get Lambo. I mean, the last thing I just wanted to mention is that there seems to be a blindness in the mainstream media, just as it relates to the zeitgeist, when there is an

element of this type of misogyny in, you know, a mass shooter or, you know, a terror attack, the media will pick up a thread of, obviously, if Islam is a motivating factor or white supremacy, even they'll be willing to like kind of trace that they they will make up some left wing a lot a lot of the time like it was antifa but they really drop the misogyny like pretty quickly like you you're pointing out like the massacre in christ church was i had processed that as mainly a white supremacist attack but as you point out his manifesto opens with you know talking about birth rates and you know a lot of the ideas that you see in these sorts of videos yeah absolutely it definitely all crosses

crosses like crosses over with each other all of it does yeah because like if you if you start believing in one of these ideologies you'll find that a lot of the same influencers will start will talk about these other issues as well and also if you start thinking about the reasons behind why all of these things are happening you'll find that the only sort of logical narrative you can you can come to is that it all sort of boils down to anti-semitism basically yeah it's what it all boils down to at the end of the day and you if you're not blaming something on capitalism if you if you follow the logic of of of misogyny or with racism or with or with any of that it's it's a very convoluted unrealistic conspiracy theory that they will that they will use but i don't know it's like this

it's like this kind of unwillingness to to blame capitalism for anything that that leads people to go down that path instead and i don't know if it's like an unwillingness to maybe admit that you were wrong because your logic doesn't make any narrative sense that so you had to end up with anti-semitism but yeah it's it it it's it's all under that basically like it's all under that umbrella yeah yeah yeah the lack of critique really it's like again it's like falling into these it it's just because you're looking for like sort of like a psycho-emotional like shelter for your terrible beliefs it's like i don't hate women it's actually that i'm just a man navigating a world filled with hypergamy but trust me they are the problem i don't hate women they

hate themselves because of feminism it's like do i i don't hate immigrants it's actually i'm living in a world where we're dealing with serious issues around falling birth rates uh in the future of democracy if you know immigrants are allowed to come in and completely reshape the electorate it's like there's always going to be a place for people to learn why their shit beliefs are justified and i think that's why it's so intoxicating because again it's like look man welcome to the manosphere the last place we're going to ask you to do some like digging into yourself okay if anything we're gonna we're gonna excavate the shit outside completely ignore everything that's happening internally it's that

and that's the sort of guarantee we can offer you with this ideology is that you won't have to look into your scary head and think about shit like that because trust me, it's, it's, it's everything else that's happening. Somebody else's fault. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's, I, and I can see why if you're not fully, you know, developed like, and as an adult or whatever, how easily it is to, to like hop into that. And while you see younger people, younger and younger people, it's like someone in their mid-20s who's tried to date,

you can kind of see the momentum that takes them there. But when teenagers are already getting there, it's like, wow. That's where you see it. Young people are definitely susceptible to that kind of like edgy humor as well, where it's sort of, it's like making jokes about Nazis and things that, you know, your parents wouldn't make because that's too far out. But I think that kind of sort of edgy, in quotation marks, humor sort of works well on those young people because they think it's, you know, naughty. sort of works well on those young people because they think it's you know naughty so that in that way it sort of brings in the really young people because they think that they're being edgy and cool and stuff but yeah yeah yeah i i really you know the the right is currently ascendant in like european politics and in u.s politics it continues to be much more popular than anybody would have thought heading into the year 2016.

But the people who like made the call on like we need someone like Trump, like Steve Bannon, the thing that is powering a lot of what is going on and also being not ignored. But I feel like the mainstream media is just more willing to leave it, you know, and just not necessarily take it as seriously as some of some of the other threads right so yeah that's why i really appreciated your video and the ways that you were able to kind of kind of bring that out and just a lot of the these trends that we're seeing yeah because yeah i do feel like it gets ignored in the mainstream media. I mean, I'm not sure why. Maybe because they see it as a sort of passing fad, maybe. I'm not sure. But it's definitely had a lot of staying power. I think for the last few years, it's definitely had a lot of staying power. So, yeah. And it's like, I don't know, is it because you're like, why is your economy? Why is the economy depressed in a way that you think it shouldn't be? You know what I mean? Like there, there are a lot of other factors that play into why you don't have Lambo. It's not because you're not balling enough.

It's because, I mean, if the Lambo or not, you don't have a Honda Accord because all of the wealth is being transferred up to people and you're more people are competing for finite resource, not hypergamy. It's every people, more people are, are competing for less and less available resources. And that's, that's having an effect on everything. So yeah, it is, it is, it's just like sort of that loop of being like the sort of people who are being affected by capitalism. There's a way for an ideology to creep in, to explain away.

It's like, well, don't start looking into that. I know this thing has messed you up, but I promise you, it's not that system. It's not the system. It's this other thing. And that's what I think is really insidious about the whole thing, because it really does prevent a larger scale analysis or awareness around it. It just allows kind of kick the can down the road and people treat this group of being like they're just a bunch of weird guys i don't know that's what it is it's hard to explain though as well isn't it like financial competency i think is a massive reason for this i don't think people realize how how the economic system that we

live under is actually built to enrich the richest right and keep the poor poor by by way of you know paying interest on on loans that they that they take out and you don't own anything anymore it's it's all a monthly payment and it's but that's what we're born into and we think that that's normal when actually it's not how things used to be born into and we think that that's normal when actually it's not how things used to be at all but like the but like millennials and and gen z's and gen alphas they all think that that's just the way things work and so so why why don't i have all why don't i have a house like my parents did at my age and it's like well it's because of the economic system but that's it's really difficult to explain why because economics works in such intrinsic like intricate ways so yeah it's like how do you explain that to people right yeah and

it's much easier to just say it's not my fault it's everyone else's fault and yeah then the merry ground keeps going round and round well thank you so much for joining us we really appreciate you coming on we really appreciate all the amazing videos that you're making and the great music as well where can people find you follow you hear you all that good stuff i'm on youtube at youtube.com slash moon cat that's where you'll find my videos which is my main thing uh i'm on twitter and instagram at moon cat music yeah amazing and is there a work of media that you've been enjoying since i've had a migraine the past couple of days i've been absolutely binge watching peep show from season one no i actually realized i was looking it up online and i and i

realized that america has actually tried to do a remake of peep show five times and failed every time what nah it can't be it's not like america yeah nah we got our own Mitchell and Webb that are killing it. It's Krasinski and fucking Pratt. Ah, fuck. Krasinski and Pratt. Our two most talented comedians. It's our Mitchell and Webb. Yeah. Awesome.

But yeah, I watched the first... Someone found the initial first pilot of the first attempted American remake. And it had that guy from The Office in it. What's the main guy john krasinski steve carell no the other guy the steve carell no oh maybe he's not from the office no no the guy i'm thinking of is from the big bang theory oh yeah uh the guy who dates penny whatever his name is then there was wait jesse armstrong wow is that whatever his name is. Then there was, wait, Jesse Armstrong? Wow.

Is that what his name is? They just greenlit a new one. And it says, Fifth Times the Charm for American Peep Show. So Jesse Armstrong from Succession is going to take a stab at it? Well, he would be the person. Wow.

Wow. I mean, I don't know. I feel like it's like Dune, right? I mean, I guess a bunch of people failed, but then I guess they kind of figured it out eventually. So maybe fifth time is the charm. Oh, Jesse Armstrong created people in the first place. What do you know?

There you go. Producer Victor coming in with the safe. But is that the thing? Does it translate? I don't know. I mean, the American office surely did, but will,ep show yeah i love the american office um that definitely worked but yeah i i don't know maybe there's something specific about peep show that doesn't work with american humor i'm not sure right weird yeah i'll figure it out miles where can people find you? Is there a work of media you've been enjoying?

Find me on Twitter, Instagram, at Miles of Grey. Find Jack and I on our basketball podcast, Miles and Jack. I'm at Boosties. You can find me talking 90 Day Fiance on 420 Day Fiance with Sophia Alexandra. A tweet. I don't really like your tweet, but you know what? I started watching that Ren Faire show on Max. Oh, yeah.

It's fucking wild. It's so weird. Like it's shot very, it's a documentary, but it's shot cinematically. But all of these people are so into the Ren Faire world that it has this like really sort of like hyper realistic feel to it because they're truly saying things like king george gave me everything i like they refer to this guy who owns the renaissance fair as king george wow and it's like the it's the hierarchies that they all like kind of fit it's really wild uh and for someone like me who loves a freaky ren fair uh check it out although the freaky little subculture the way the way it's shot is a little jarring because you kind of blurs the lines. I'm like, are these people for real or is this being acted?

But no, it's real. So anyway, that's what I've been watching. It's like Laguna Beach or Laguna whatever, that show. On MTV. Yeah, on MTV that at first it was like, wait, are these terrible actors or the most insincere human being? No, they're so good at acting. If they're acting, you're like like they're so good at acting if they're acting you're like they're so good i don't know if they mean this right and they're all everyone's like a kooky character so far so yeah anyway watch amazing uh you can find me on twitter at jack

underscore o'brien uh tweet i've been enjoying just another check-in from a version of the Manosphere, Thought Slime tweeted, saw a Joe Rogan clip where he said that nobody knows why ghosts exist in every culture. It may be the single dumbest thing I've ever heard someone say. Nobody knows why ghosts would exist in every culture, you know? That's something I came across in evolutionary psychology. They find something that exists across every culture not thinking about the fact that every culture in the world is definitely over crossed with every other culture yeah and they're like well clearly it's it's ingrained in our minds and if every culture does it no yeah yeah i don't know

then why would everyone do it i guess i if someone arguing on... I think this just means ghosts are real. You know? Since time immemorial. It can't be that everybody struggles with the fear of death. The finality of death. No. No, no, no, no, no. No, dude. I'll be balling when I die, dude.

I can't wait. You know it doesn't matter. I don't know about ghosts. Nobody knows. Nobody can explain it. Like, you know, it doesn't matter. I don't know about ghosts. Nobody knows. Nobody can explain it. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes

and our footnotes, where we link off to the information we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song do you think people might enjoy? I think our listeners should check out our guests' music. Check out Mooncat's music. But hey, there's one track I like. I mean, I like all the tracks, but there's one specifically

because I used to drive a Honda. It's called Honda Civic. Oh, yeah. That's an old one. That's a deep cut. Yeah. I'll fuck with it heavy. And you know, it's like,

what would we call that genre-wise? It's like sci-fi trap R&B pop. I guess. Yeah. Yeah, maybe. I don't know.

Sci-fi trap R&B pop? I like the synth stuttering. You know what I mean? We get a little, you know, we're getting some like snare chains and shit like that.

It's all good. I like it. So you should too. Honda Civic by mooncat we will link off to that in the footnotes the daily zeitgeist is a production of iheart radio for more podcasts from iheart radio visit the iheart radio app apple podcast wherever you listen your favorite shows that is gonna do it for us this morning back this afternoon to tell you what is trending and we will talk to y all then. Bye. Bye.

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