The Daily Zeitgeist - The Metaverse...SUCKS? Logan Paul Takes Expensivest L 1.07.22

Episode Date: January 7, 2022

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 218, episode 5 of Dear Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. by Diet Coke. tempura day can tempura fry your bobbleheads and just really really do it up why not do you have a bobblehead miles uh i have a the only one i have is like a t'challa like black panther one i don't know what it is though it's like i don't really i got it for free i'm not really into bobbleheads but i i get it you know yeah yeah i feel like uh marie kondo's show is anti-bobblehead propaganda because what do you mean what if it brings you joy though i feel like there's a lot of bobbleheads out there that people are just like oh yeah i still have a bobblehead but maybe maybe maybe they're out there i mean i feel like you either cult you either fuck heavy with bobbleheads or they're an afterthought yeah i don't think there's like an,

I don't know if someone's like casual with it. Cause people I know like our Dodger fans who are like, I have to get all the fucking bobbleheads this season or other people who are really into like a certain niche, like anime show. They're like, you know, like that kind of stuff.

Yeah. Anyways, I am team bobblehead. I'm team tempura. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. When the zeit has come and the trends are dark and the Zoom is the only light we'll see. Jack OB, Jack OB, oh my name's Jack OB. Oh, my name's Jack OB.

You can hear, hear me on the zeitgeist. That is courtesy of Paul Garventa. Did he do? Gee, man. He had this one out yesterday. Didn't he do two? He came so close to it for the cycle. With Blake and then me? Oh, gee.

Oh, man. That's my bad. That's on me. I mean, he should technically get that. Was that and then me? Oh, PG. Oh, man. That's my bad. That's on me. I mean, he should technically get that. Was that hanging right there for you? That was hanging right there. And I just didn't pick it up. User error.

That's on me. User error. Honorary. Spiritual trifecta. There you go. Well, I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! Yes, it's Miles Gray, a.k.a. Hideo Noho, straight off Lankershim with the fake Nikes on.

Good to see everybody here today. What a guest we have. I'm just excited to get the family reunited. Double LP, just so excited. Double LP, double LP. Well, Miles, speaking of which, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a brilliant and talented podcast producer, e-sports commentator, some fucking guy on Twitch, DJ and music producer, one half of the DJ production duo Gladiator, one of the super producers here at the iHeart Podcast Network. Love it.

You've heard him on Fake Doctors, Real Friends. You've heard him on this podcast where he used to be the engineer and producer of this show that super producer Justin assassinated in order to take his spot. Yep. But he is back from the dead

to fuck your shit up. It's DJ Daniel Gomez! Wow, full regalia right there. Thank you so much. That is a full ass honor. Yes, it is I, DJ Danil. Yes, it is I. A.K.A.

DJ underscore Danil. A.K.A. I forgot to ask on Twitter for an A.K.A. And here we are. I know. Happy to be here. Okay. Well, you know, A.K.A.

Danil. Father of Carl L. Okay. Yeah. There it is. Neil before Zod. Dan, you got more going on in your

Zoom frame than I am comfortable with. It's understandable. He's got us on full Twitch mode. He's using his OBS camera to really give us the sick layout game, the sick green screen game. Indeed. And Jack and I are just so distracted

because we're typically just looking at normal Zoom screens. Usually it's someone's background, but instead I have this beautiful mountain range behind me. Currently, it'll soon change to a cloudy area of some kind. It's just, ooh, now it's dark and mysterious and spooky. Look at that. Yeah, I finally figured out that I could use my OBS virtual camera to do Zoom calls.

And I have been waiting for the appropriate opportunity. And here we are. I can't believe I knew something about OBS before you. I like kind of fucks with my head. Yeah. I just you know what? Never experimented with it. And now here we are.

And now I'm way too into it. Because that's how he's inside of a TV that has been abandoned on Hollywood Boulevard. Precisely. Thank you. For some reason. Yes. And this is a podcast. Yeah.

That we're describing. So sorry to everyone listening. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad you thought that this was an appropriate use of the technology. Yeah. Yeah. I'm surprised that either of you know what OBS cameras are.

Because, I mean, i've known so long but i don't know uh but why don't you just explain to the listener what that means sure obs open broadcast software is a way that people indeed and people uh you basically how people broadcast onto streaming platforms like facebook twitch youtube and stuff like that and think of it like a photoshop file that you can just layer stuff onto put on you know put on video put on pictures put on whatever you want and uh with the help of a handy green screen you can do all sorts of dumb shit and it's been great thank you speaking of dumb shit you referred to meta as facebook bro come on wait it's 2022 i'm like fuck all right justin we gotta cut that cut that don't

everybody will make fun of me before we get to know you a little bit better uh miles should we tell the people a couple of the things we're talking about today fuck yeah all right uh we got some good news on the uh pandemic front because two non-shitty American doctors are developing a free vaccine. You know, my Facebook groups or meta groups have been telling me not to trust American doctors. So this is news to me. But yeah, apparently they've been developing a free vaccine for the world. We're going to talk about, I just wanted to take a quick survey of the January 6th coverage from yesterday. Seems like there was a lot of talk of division, America more divided than ever. And so I just wanted to, you know, get way in on what I think. Yeah. I mean, guys,

we all just need to come together, right? True that. We're a team. We're going to talk about Metaverse. We're going to talk about, is it Jake? No, Logan Paul. I don't know, man. Miles, you're going to have to explain that to me. It's just, it's like it encapsulates everything that's wrong with us right now. And that Logan Paul paid millions of dollars for pokemon cards that ended up being fake

or are probably fake so no it's got it all it's got hyper consumerism hype beast culture fucking reckless spending you love to see it all of that plenty more but first dj daniel yes sir what is something from your search history that reveals something fucked up about you, man? Oh, man, you want to hear something fucked up, man. I got a couple. I'll give you a quick one and a longer one. First one is new computer sending too many notifications. I recently got a new laptop.

And for whatever reason, it's now sending me five emails anytime something on my calendar comes up. And it's not from five independent locations it's just alert sparklets guy arriving it's like yeah why am i getting five emails about this and i've been definitely please how did that happen what is that scheduled in your calendar the sparklets yes i i oh god so you know uh part of being in a relationship is that we both need to know a little every little thing about what's happening and so uh stephanie and i have a shared calendar yeah exactly i don't know what her majesty's doing right now that's i mean honestly sometimes i think that's better stephanie

and i have a shared calendar and the sparklets guy is on it as is my stream and several other things and any time tracking software that tells you when the sparklets guy arrives right precisely so i can run out there and go, thank you. Well, no. I remember because, Dan, you kept finding those Apple tags in your pockets and shit when you leave the house and stuff. Exactly. And then there's one taped to your car.

Yeah. Stephanie kept hugging me goodbye and really reaching into my pockets deeply. I was like, what's this about? What are you doing? You good? You good? Yeah. I like how I like to flex, though, to new computer sending way new computer notify me that my bottled water delivery.

$2,500 brand spanking new annoying me. Wait, but did you find the explanation? No, no, i kind of had well this is that it's that the calendar app on the apple defaults to sending you two notifications per thing but i don't understand where the other three emails are coming from and i'm actually still trying to figure that out so that's one thing and it's annoying the other thing that's way more exciting is the james webb space telescope and apparently you guys have not talked about this on the podcast yet which excites me no No. Yeah, well, because

we think that acknowledging astronomy is an affront to Christ our Lord. Well, that's completely understandable and hopefully with the help of this... But what were you going to say, evildoer? That's my perspective. My perspective is that it sounds like some nerd shit, but go ahead. Tell us. Well, definitely,

first of all, you're both right. But the James Webb Space Telescope is basically the new Hubble telescope. They just launched it on Christmas, actually. Christmas of this year. And we're going to go to the TV and desk screen so I can show you a picture. So this is the new James Webb Telescope. And for those who are obviously not watching right now, of course, because this is a podcast, watching right now, of course, because this is a podcast, imagine like a hexagon of small mirrors that are on top of a diamond shaped piece of tinfoil that's flying through space. And this

telescope is basically 100 times more powerful than the Hubble telescope. The more specifically, it can pick up stuff that is a hundred times more faint so like darker shit out in space it can actually pick up it has made it into space and over the past like you know week they have been reporting how each stage of its basically unfurling has been going because it didn't go into space looking like this like what what you're seeing here is you know it's completely you know in shape but it went up. Yeah, deployed. Thank you. That's probably a better word for it. But each part has been deploying over the past couple days. And each, you know, deploying section has its own failure points that could have basically made the

whole thing move. Like first, the actual the actual mirrors had to deploy, then the secondary mirror where the actual light shoots into and then shoots back into the sensor had to deploy. There's a heat radiator that had to deploy that would have like, you know, that better temperature controls the whole thing. And each day they've been releasing updates as it's been, you know, unfurling and deploying. And it has almost completely deployed successfully. We have this awesome new telescope in space. We're going to get our first images back in June. And just in terms of like oh now we're

looking at something else but either way just nope wrong button either way just in terms of like what we are going to get in terms of the information from this telescope i'm so excited like it looks so fucking cool and we're just going to get you know every crazy picture that we've seen from the earth every really like wild picture that we've seen from the Hubble telescope, we are going to get 100 times more crisp, clear things of the universe we've never seen before. And that is very exciting to me. Space is notably mostly dark shit. So it's good that we will be able to see dark shit a little bit better. Exactly. Much darker shit, precisely.

Yeah. We're basically going from daguerreotype photography to like 8k cameras quite literally when you're like bro you thought we thought we were looking at space truly because even like the even like the infrared cameras that i feel i've seen recently that have sent back images that you're like oh this is this is truly like the heavens this is like these celestial bodies the things that we're going to see with this yeah i'm i'm looking forward to it yeah so daniel was showing us on his screen like a picture but it was like small and shrunk down and you know just generally a bad job by him showing uh displaying it but then i went to look to look at it because i was like it can't look like shit like this and it actually does kind of look like

shit which i kind of respect like it it looks like something that would be inside a computer and they just like pulled apart out randomly which is kind of cool because there's not a lot of like i feel like they usually take the time to make technology look kind of cool like sleek and this just looks like shit but i love it yeah yeah it's just so it's it's it's efficient you know it's like yeah this ain't getting we're not this is gonna be car and driver it's a fucking space camera precisely yes wrap your head around that yes the tinfoil aspect of it is very interesting to me there's a there's a documentary phenomenon that's about like alien UFO encounters that, you know, it's a bunch of interviews with like astronauts who encountered a UFO or, you know, just very like straightforward, trustworthy people who are not like. And then it told me that I was a king from a past life.

from a past life. But like, you know, people who, and one of the people they interview was somebody, I think they were a military official of some sort who was at, who actually witnessed what happened at Ground Zero, like the Roswell incident.

And one of the things they described was a like three foot long piece of tinfoil that was like, you couldn't bend it with a hammer and it was light as a feather and like the strongest shit that they've ever seen. And it was just basically a piece of tinfoil that was unlike anything that exists on the planet. So it does make me wonder,

are we utilizing technology that crashed on the planet. So it does make me wonder, are we utilizing technology that crashed on the planet? Okay. I thought for a second, I thought you were talking about the 96 film Phenomenon with John Travolta and Keira Sedgwick. Yeah.

When you first talked about that, I'm like, I think. Well, because I do talk about that movie a lot. Yeah, I mean, how did he become a genius with telekinetic powers? It's because every time I have a headache, I'm like, I think I have that tumor that makes you super smart.

And then I test it out by trying to do a math problem and quickly disabused of the notion. Daniel, what is something you think is overrated? Overrated. And this is going to be, you know, a little erroneous coming from me. But food trends and their lasting effects throughout the city of Los Angeles mainly. And I just think all over the place. effects throughout the city of Los Angeles mainly and I just think all over the place but uh overrated because it would appear in my experience that most food openings these days are now either very nice restaurants or a singular purpose restaurant whether it's a new smash burger joint

a new hot chicken joint a new ramen place a new donut place whatever it is media media exactly a new media spot it's either just this one thing, or you have an opening like B.C. Clet or something where it's a very, very nice-ass restaurant. And I'm missing the days, the halcyon days of diners. Like, I miss a restaurant

where you could go get breakfast, or you could go get a burger, or you could go get you know, just a litany of meals where now it just feels like every restaurant opening either has to be one thing that you're absolutely nailing or a super nice restaurant where they offer more than three things on the menu because i feel like we're diners are like you know we saw dupars vanish before our eyes classic yes uh spot i used to go to in the valley all the time yes and

bob's big boy in toluca lake that shit's still rocking or burbank whatever it's on the border there right that one's still and i do like going there but it's weird when i go i really only go for i only i love a diner for breakfast yes and i don't i want to open my heart to the diner possibly having other things but i don't know maybe yeah and i think but but i think you know what they bring in is with with your regulars you know people that are regulars like oh i come here for my coffee oh i come here for the burger oh i come here just for breakfast and you get this you know you get a mishmash or a mix of mishmash whatever the word before is you get a bunch of people you just get a diverse group of people who are coming to a place to eat a bunch of different

things whereas the only people who are going to a smash burger joint are you know burger nerds like me exactly precisely and and you know they're reluctant girlfriends we're like isn't this the same spot you're like no it's a no it's different these are sliders this time this is in the back of like a store that was in the back of like a store. That was in the back of a liquor store. We're in the back of what used to be a Salvation Army. Precisely. And you're saying the lasting effect being

that it's just changing the landscape? Yeah, that it's changing the landscape of like food openings. It's like opening a restaurant that offers, you know a bunch a number of things that aren't just the one hype food item seems to be a riskier proposition that is only taken on by restaurant groups and restauranteurs and big chefs who are like i'm opening a french new wave restaurant i'm opening a you know basque basque dessert restaurant

exactly it's just like you know it it feels uh i i miss i miss when a regular restaurant could open where a lot of people love to cook a bunch of things and i feel like that's not where the market is dan not where the market is not where the market is precisely especially now with tiktok and all that now because i feel like that's also having an effect on a lot of like like what food culture culture is becoming to the visuals of food and like how we went from like technique to now. Like, can you die within three bites of eating this kind of food? Like epic mealtime looking stuff. Yeah.

But I mean, look, it's all it's all a conversation, man. It's a cosmic gumbo. All right, Santa. All right, Santa. Yeah, where are all the TikToks about how hard the cheesecake factory at the Grove keeps nailing it every time I go there? Nailing it. You know what I'm saying? Buffalo blast. Nailing it.

What's something you think is underrated? Underrated, and I'm almost sad that Super Brewster Anahosne is not here for me to hear me say this, but F1 Drive to Survive. And I also added a note here. Honestly, probably not underrated, but I just started watching it and it rules. That show is amazing. If you have not started watching F1 Drive to Survive

on Netflix, it does not matter if you're a fan of racing or not. It is the dopest show and now I'm deep into F1 it's the best wow and the season just ended too and yeah season season three just ended and no no no oh the last f1 season yes the last f1 season and contra mired in controversy very much so oh my goodness oh my gosh but the show is the show is just so done. I also love how they have such contempt for Netflix. Like while they're recording it,

they're like, Oh, it's you again. Okay. Can you guys get it? Exactly. Can you guys get out of here while we're having a serious conversation? It's like,

right. It's spectacular. Shout out total wolf. Is there. So a question I'm hearing people in sports media talk about a lot is, uh, whether the, like whether this strategy that has worked so well

for f1 of like doing a really you know it's something that hbo kind of did with hard knocks or they would follow a team in the preseason but like doing that for the entirety of a season so that you get not just like a single team's preseason, but the entire season with all the players and all the different, like, is that it, there was a rumor going around that they were going to do the same thing to professional golf. And that did not sound very interesting to me. Like, I feel like F1 is, well, it worked for F1 because it was a underrated sport. It was a sport that was like very exciting, very popular around the world and just hadn't really broken through the way it should have in America. But I feel like golf, you're not going to get me to give a fuck about.

I guess that's the difference. I think that's the thing, though, right? Like golf is also clearly has enough of an audience that it's generating millions of dollars. But I feel like with golf, the way people get into watching the PGA Tour is because they golf themselves. And they have a firsthand understanding of what they're seeing and the skill that it takes to be a professional golfer and being like, oh, man, that was great. I don't know if that translates like yeah it maybe it can if you can find a way for people to be like actually like you know every stroke matters but yeah i don't think the cast of characters are as interesting as like formula one where they can

get people fully invested because i took formula one to me was like it's guys in helmets driving in a circle yeah and then that was my that was my view then i zoomed in through this show and i was like oh fuck okay it's it's got all kinds of fun shit going on deeply yeah yeah oh no again as i'll say it's the embodiment of malignant global capitalism let's be frank about like what the cars emblazoned with earth fucking companies and like human rights washing races and like fucking azerbaijan yes that it's it's definitely and and especially in season three which which uh stephanie and i are halfway through right now the way that they react to covet being like we just really want to get back out there and race is all like oh y'all really don't give a shit about yeah humanity or society or

very insulated yeah extremely insulated but to your point about like uh it working for other sports i think the fact that it is so small that there are only 20 drivers in the entire like sport of f1 definitely helps in terms of being able to concentrate on certain people like you couldn't do this for basketball where you know or football or any team sport with a bunch of players it would have to be a team it would have to be a team. It would have to be a team. Yeah. One team would be all the people you could, you could represent,

but also in, in comparing it to golf, like, you know, you're just, you're right. Like F1 is with, for lack of a better term, extremely high octane.

Like it's exciting. It is incredibly exciting when it gets down to the actual like racing part of it. Whereas golf, you're right. It would be kind of hard to get me to give a shit about each stroke so i think f1 definitely yeah it fits into a very a very um thin window of like not quite understood but also small enough to cover all of it yeah i'm gonna say the nba if you could get buy-in from the 15 best players in the league and you were just following the 15 best players in the

league and like their teams and you know usually one of the 15 best players in the league is going to win the title i think that would actually work pretty well it would somehow make basketball more popular yeah you know and and you know they're they're all about their global brand so i mean just yeah yeah if they have any eyes on you know not being beholden to other countries with their you know uh broadcast rights and things like that maybe you get a show out there to pull other people in right but they do it with uh in the premier league amazon does a show called all or nothing and this season they're following arsenal so like all the banter around like the fans is like i can't wait to see that like you know we

have a great game or a shit game we're like can't wait to see what this looks like behind the scenes because like yeah they're in the locker room they're in the training it's like you see them eat i think and yeah shows like that i think have a do a good job of you know demystifying shit and getting you to care. A rugby one would probably be good for the U.S. Hmm. Interesting. Because that shit is ridiculous, super athletic to watch.

Yes. And it's adjacent enough to American football that I think people would be like, holy shit, man. What is this? Fucking ruggers. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like the NFL is is probably like keeping that like they're killing any contract because they're like oh this is kind of like a more fun version of ours

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They've been developing it since 2003 when SARS first hit the scene. I have a quick question before you continue. All my vaccines have been free. So why is this one more free? What makes it free? Allow us to elaborate. So right now you have Pfizer and Moderna and AstraZeneca are sort of like the big three, Johnson & Johnson, who have patents. And they're treating this like it's intellectual property that they're unwilling to share with the rest of the world.

I see. Despite us being in a pandemic. Got it. Well, you know, we would, but they don't have the capacity to do it, even though those countries do manufacture some of our other pharmaceutical drugs. But that's an afterthought. And what these two doctors, Peter Hotez and Maria Elena Botazzi from the University of Baylor, or I'm sorry, Baylor University, they they're basically saying, like, no, like we're trying to Jonas Salk this shit. Got it. Right. Here's a fucking vaccine family.

Fucking vaccine family. Because I think most every expert's been saying one of the biggest issues we have with the pandemic is that there's no fucking access or there's no ability to widely vaccinate the rest of the world because these companies are like, well, where's my fucking check at? Got it. Thank you. Developed nations have the money, but for the rest of the world, like, you know, low middle income nations, it's completely different. Got it. Sorry, your vaccines have been free. Daniel, shut up.

Shut up. No, Jack, I got you the platinum version. Oh, OK. Yeah. Yeah. Because you said, yeah, that guy. I'm on a payment plan. Right.

Like that. So this wouldn't even you wouldn't have to, like, subscribe for the next 15 years for access to the vaccine. No. Okay. Yeah. Hey, it sounds pretty cool. Hell yeah. Wish I hadn't signed that contract, Miles.

You know what I'm saying? Hey, I'm telling you, in the long run, in the long run. You're saving money. You're saving money, baby. Saving money. Don't judge it now after three years. Right. Wait, 17, baby. Save it. Don't don't don't judge it now after three years. Right. Right. 17, baby.

Then get to me. OK, I'll be too rich by the way. Guards will drag. Perfect. But yeah, this. So this vaccine is called Corva Vax. And like you're saying, Jack, they started in when SARS came out and then SARS went away. So they're like, oh, no need to really pursue this much further because it's not presenting a health problem for the country or for the world.

Then once COVID popped back up, because they're starting off as very similar viruses, they're like, oh, shit, let's just dust this thing off and see if we can adapt it to COVID. And with some tweaks, they began trialing it. And there is unpublished study from india where it has been approved in india they found that it was 90 effective against the original variant and then 80 against delta so they've got something here the one i think drawback is like they can't alter it as quickly as an mrna vaccine but again long term here if we're talking about like getting something that can be widely distributed at a very low cost, that should be the fucking emphasis here. Ding, ding, ding. And it also feels like you could just somebody needs to just focus on like creating an online or some sort of resource where people can just open source help, help with this shit and help put together the.

Because, I mean, it's kind of crazy that this hasn't happened yet and like hopefully this will give people something to sort of gravitate around as like hey we're we're going to all just spend a lot of time trying to help create the the sort of situation where we can update this quickly because yeah, I mean, I get, I get that it's, it requires a ton of resources, but yeah. But luckily,

I mean, they're talking a dollar to a dollar 50 is a dose. Oh shit. Very, very like, you know, it doesn't get much cheaper than that, according to them,

which is a great thing to hear. And also like when we talk about the need, like why it's not just about, well, we need Americans vaccinated or we need this part vaccines. Like, no, because in the other parts of the world where the virus can just, you know, go from person to person, that's how these mutations start popping up. And the quicker we can get as many people inoculated, we can slow that down because, you know, there's plenty of headlines that are saying like, you know, potentially there'll be a variant that is only the worst parts of every single variant we've seen already. Like the transmissibility of Omicron with like the lethality of Delta and like, and then adding a new thing,

like immunity of evasion. Like that's the thing that is, that's, I think that's the thing that a lot of people lose sight of as to why we need to slow this whole thing down as quickly as possible and why it's absolutely ridiculous for companies like Pfizer and Moderna and the rest to just insist that it's like, well, where's the fucking money at? Yeah. It's extra frustrating that the people who don't understand that are then the ones who are like, see, this is never ending whenever a new strain comes and fucking ravages their community. It's like, yeah, motherfucker, that's what we've been trying to tell you. Oh, so then I've got to get another shot? Yeah, guess what? You're a life form on a fucking planet.

I'm sorry that you wear clothes and that makes you think that you're not some biological organism here. But that's the fucking the deal here my man anyways huge couple months for baylor just gotta say it i mean first and probably more importantly super producer becca getting hired on daily zeitgeist huge she's a baylor grad and now uh now you know lesser but still probably pretty significant as this news so uh two two big big uh feathers in their cap sick them she said which i guess is what they said to hook them oh i think get them sick yeah i don't think she might get them sick oh that's what i thought at first that is the uh the phrase you're supposed to take your hand, cup your knee,

and then you rip out the heart of your competitors. You throw it to God as it is a Baptist university. So you go, hey, sick of bears. Wow. And their heart, your opponent's heart is in your knee? No, that's how you create the cup for your bear crawl. Got it, got it, got it. It's a metaphorical heart.

Metaphorical heart of Bevo, the longhorn. And thank you for not getting, I quickly changed the order. I said University of Baylor and then Baylor University. That could have been really embarrassing. So I got myself.

Not quick enough for Becca not to have thrown her computer at the wall. I absolutely destroyed all my equipment. Think of the storied alums from Baylor. RG3. Angela Kinsey from The Office. Puppet master Jeff Dunham.

Yeah. Becca immediately turned off her display when you mentioned Jeff Dunham. Joanna Gaines. Chip and Joanna. And then Becca immediately turned off her display when you mentioned Jeff Dunham. Gotta go. Joanna Gaines. Chip and Joanna. Chip too? Yeah.

That's how they met. That's the love story of the generation. That is why Magnolia has now taken over Waco, Texas. It should be called Magnolia, Texas, honestly, with everything they're doing over there. David Koresh is sick to his stomach wherever he is uh definitely still alive just saying uh let's talk about let's talk about uh speaking of sieges let's talk about the January 6th coverage reactions. Just like one overarching quibble I had was that a lot of people were talking about how America is more divided than ever. And just like really like both sides in the shit with the rhetoric, even though every time, like as they described what was happening, it was all about, you know, Republicans moving further and further towards the side of the insurrectionists. And that but then they would be like, we're more divided than ever. There was a op ed by Jimmy Carter. It was a guest column in The New York Times where, you know, at points he sounded like Robert Evans circa 2018, like he was America's teetering on the edge of a gaping abyss. But then, you know, when it comes to identifying the problem, they're pointing to division. And, you know, Carter calls for Americans to come together, which like I get like that.

That's I get why that's a habit that they have, but it is actually, like, offensive and, like, counterproductive and incorrect to say that, you know, the problem is that people need to come together with the side that is, you know, rapidly, you know, hurtling towards just open authoritarianism and white supremacy and fucking violent anti-democratic values. Yeah, I don't know. Just it's like. Yeah, I mean, I think the media just suffers from the same thing culturally that I think exists in America, where it's like it's hard to discuss the real shit. Right. You know what I mean? Like, it's hard to just get real shit. Right. You know what I mean? Like, it's hard to just get to it. It's like, oh, you know, they're having a hard like, you know, something we will mitigate

a lot or try and describe something that's really bad as something less than it is just to make ourselves comfortable. And I don't know. And this doesn't serve the purpose of maintaining, you know, whatever this frail like little republic is here by saying stuff like, oh, we're more divided than ever, rather than saying these people are dragging us into some other thing. And more importantly, the system of governance has failed people to the point that they're down to hear fucking anything at this point. Right. that they're down to hear fucking anything at this point.

Right. And the, the scourge of misinformation and the lack of, you know, serious confrontation around this, the spread of misinformation is also adding to this. Like, but it's just easier to say like, we're so far apart.

It's like, it's not that it's not that this solution is like, Hey, come here, Mitch McConnell. Yeah. I'll hug you, man.

Yeah. No, that's, you have to say no man they they're on a fucking steady course to set all of the elections up coming up to be easily reversed through their rat fuckery and that's what we're hurtling towards and then the fallout from that is going to create a situation in this country that most people don't have the imagination for right yeah we just can't can't imagine it yeah but instead but i guess it's easier for everyone to sort of be like

it's some dark abyss don't don't worry about what's down there because we can't really picture it but it's not good you mean like you know like proud boys patrolling the streets and the police letting them to act as like a law enforcement group? Or at least turning a blind eye to their crimes because that's the state we're in? Or that the corruption is going to get to a point where

the things that you thought were easily accessible are completely not the same anymore? There's just so many little dimensions to this that I think, I don't know, journalists would rather be like, I don't want to start, you know, speculating. But I'm really curious to see how things play out if Republicans begin stealing multiple elections, and then that creates more conflict in the streets, leading to more violence and instability. Like, what's their version that they see that this isn't

setting their heads on fire? Well, also, the fact that we're seeing so many more interactions in completely different areas between you know basically proud boys entering more spaces where they seem to want to create conflict like pta meetings like the fact that we're seeing them being like okay we need to enter these other avenues of society to create conflict and push our message is like another you know a bell ringing of like this you know we are facing these issues these divisions in places that are like way more than just outside of government buildings and in the streets and stuff it's like they're trying to attack our the way we teach children and it's you know the the device and this is going even deeper and earlier which is super troubling.

Well, the problem is just that those meetings have become too chaotic and we need to restore a semblance of togetherness to those PTA meetings. And the problem with OJ and Nicole Brown Simpson's marriage is that they were too far apart and they just need to come together. What the fuck are you talking about? Should have embraced OJ. Right. What?

No. Call it what it is. And even looking at the Proud Boys, there's a recent article about just how the Proud Boys have completely shifted their strategy to sort of normalize and enter American society. There was like a 4th of July parade recently somewhere in the Midwest where the Proud Boys had a float and people like applauded them. And when they interviewed

people, they're like, I've read their stuff. They just seem to be guys who are here for like freedom. Yeah. So you're already seeing how like the optics are changing with certain groups and how they're sort of ingratiating themselves with certain communities. But on top of all that too, with the division, you know, some people point to the fact is like, well, I mean, look at the polls. It says that over 60% of Americans think that like our system of voting is like it's in peril. But then when you break it down, you have Republicans and Democrats talking about the exact opposite thing. Yeah. It's not that 60% are looking at one. Oh, going oh yeah man we got to sort this out the

gerrymandering is out of control the voter suppression something else it's that the republicans are like they steal them all through fraud and yeah and democrats are like the rules are completely changing for people and that's i think another aspect that it's just it's papered over in these discussions by just reducing like a poll number to that rather than saying like, look, we are wrapped with like we're just everyone's experiencing many different realities, but in arenas that need like consensus. Yeah. Biden's speech on Thursday, I think some people were commending it for being like forceful and like direct in the way that it confronted who was at fault. But don't say their name. Overall, the administration's handling of the aftermath has been, you know, light on details and straight ahead explanations of what happened and like heavy on metaphors.

Like you said, the, you know, insurrectionists were holding a dagger at the throat of our democracy and it's just like all right so what so what would you do yeah what's the what's the solution dude hey if somebody put a dagger to the throat of some shit i gave a fuck about i wouldn't just be like huh we must not let them hold this dagger here okay at my. We will know we can no longer allow this daggery to happen. It's like, yo, where are the fucking repercussions? Because there's nothing I don't think, like

you're saying, since a year ago, we've seen nothing in terms of new laws or regulations that are even remotely meant to address this. It's just a lot of like, hey, we got the guy with the helmet. Yeah. So that's cool.

Yeah. And? And like you're only going after the people that like Google, Facebook, and like the telecoms companies are just giving you the information to find them because they already have all the data to pin those people to that place that day and that's where like all the energy is going into because i think that's another part of america's issue is it's easier to go after the the easy low-hanging fruit than go for the actual structural shit that caused the fruit to even fall to the ground yeah you know like it's whether it's like

white supremacy in this country or inequality it's only it's like white supremacy in this country or inequality, it's only it's like the easy thing. It's never. Well, no, we actually need to fundamentally change what minimum wages or what working hours are or what people deserve or what our definition of a hate crime is. So, yeah, it's it's it's very frustrating. And I think the most people really need to be, I don't know, prepare themselves to understand that this is this is kind of like what we're looking at. Because it's not it's I mean, you have to be pretty disengaged to feel comfortable about the future. Yeah, it's about to get way worse. But but I don't know. What the fuck do we know? You know, what do we know?

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And this is the shit that we need to be focused on. We're talking about the details. Getting into the details. We're talking about the fact that Logan Paul may have wasted millions of dollars on fake Pokemon cards. Hell yeah. Thrilling. So I think most of the people who listen to the show know who Logan Paul is and Jake Paul and that whole YouTube crew.

And if you don't, turn off the podcast now. Yeah. Because we don't want to know. You don't want to know. Also, you don't want to know and save yourself. I was saying that I'm a fan. Okay. Despite all the bullshit, ignorance and controversies and all that,

it doesn't really matter because this dude is balling as fuck. And he likes to flex. Thank you. Because he can drop major coin on shit with these ad revenue. Okay. He can buy cool stuff like a Supreme dumpster. Okay. Or maybe a fucking go-kart made of elephant tusks.

Okay. Is that real? i don't know but honestly i saw supreme dumpster and i was like yep sounds right and then go yeah for sure i was like i can see that i can see someone be like yo you got the supreme dumpster it just sounds to me like you two and the pa Paul brothers are more divided than you've ever been and need to come together. We need to come together in an order. And, you know, he's now been more, you know, he's being more and more visible and his spending sprees are more visible, too. Like he's been really he's been posting a lot of Pokemon card content.

And recently he was stunting on people because he said he spent three and a half million dollars on a not just any kind of fucking, you know, collection of Pokemon cards. We're talking about a case of six first edition base set Pokemon card booster boxes. Now, I only used to collect sports cards and I used to play Magic Gathering, so I'm not hating on card collecting, but I know fuck all about Pokemon cards. So, Daniel, is that sick? Is this thing that he said he claims to buy? Is that important to Pokemon? I mean, important? No. I mean, you know, but that's a coveted.

Yes, of course. Coveted? Highly. Extremely coveted in the Pokemon community right now. And for some reason, I'm not even quite sure why. Because I know there's some like, there's definitely a path from like YouTube, you know, when people used to share their shopping sprees and stuff like that, like, here's what I bought today, blah, blah, blah. I know there's a line from that to Pokemon cards. But the fact that

there are just whole, you know, Twitch channels, YouTube streams, meta streams that are dedicated to people having a camera that's just on their hands as they open pokemon cards is like the shit right now and i truly do not understand it but yes having a base set of og first edition booster packs is wild like that is the rarest of the rare so we can all so we know this is the rarest of the rare right rarefied air so sorry can i just stop on the that's it that's a genre of videos now just to hit camera on hand opening pokemon cars it's i mean like like mukbang like buying sprees receipt like you know rundowns all of that stuff i feel like falls into the same category of voyeurism where it's like seeing people consumer

consumer voyeurism yeah where it's just like you know people want to see people buy an open shit because it used to be just unboxings and you say i mean i feel like that was sort of the beginning where unboxings were just it was just like shit that like you're like oh shit that's the new this or that but now it's like sort of like look at all this shit i bought and people like mouth agape like oh literally i used to get depressed when i saw people eating by themselves in restaurants for some reason like that just made me sad to see them eating by themselves and the world has gone so far beyond that to the point that i like no longer that doesn't even register at all on my like like the depressed, the how depressing it is to just picture. Imagine someone sitting there on YouTube,

just being like, oh, sick. They just got a good card. Yep. Watching with like dead eyes is. Yeah. A real bummer to me.

Yeah. Well, look, we're all, we're all finding our ways to be comfortable. Okay. The world is a vampire. By the way,

I love eating by myself in a restaurant, so I'm not shaming anybody. He watches old clips of him playing basketball in junior high. I don't know. Bro, if I had them, I probably would. He's like, yeah, man, I could have been a blue chip kid,

but whatever, man. You see that move right there? It's like two seconds. Right here. Look at that move. That pivot. I could have been a blue chip kid, but whatever, man. You see that move right there? It's like two seconds right here. Look at that move. Look at that. That pivot. I know I don't have the ball. Yeah.

But. And I know I'm crying. Look at me. Shut him down. Oh, my God. You must have clicked on the Apple logo and scrolled to shut down the way I closed that guy out. Trying to take that fucking jump shot. All right.

That locks out. Look at that. Trying to take that fucking jump shot. All right. That rocks out. Look at that. So a lot of people who are into Pokemon cards, too, were like, I don't know, man. This guy got one of the most rare things you could get in the fucking game. And then we're like, okay, what about the provenance, right?

So what happened? Where is this from? And a lot of people were pointing to a few things that were like, they're like, I'm dubious because of the following. He spent $3.5 million on and a half million dollars on eBay. He bought it on eBay. Not Sotheby's, not Christie's. Like, where typically you see, like, it doesn't matter how, you know, niche the thing is. When we're talking about millions of dollars, those are typically the auction, like, venues or houses where those things are bought.

Not on fucking eBay. So, that was the first thing people were like, what the fuck? The second is like just sort of the math, right? One of these packs can sell between $7,000 and $12,000, maybe $15,000. And inside this box he had were 216 packs. The person who first put this box on the market is a guy called number one pokemon master on ebay that's not a red flag he sold it for 72 grand and then that person sold it for 2.7 million

and then jake paul bought it off this person for 3.5 now i don't know if it's money laundering or whatever but whatever the fuck it is but the second thing is that the person number one pokemon master like the provenance of the of this box that he says he has like the origin of it how did he come to obtain it is also murky first it was like oh i got it from an old person who was like getting rid of stuff then it was like i got it at my origin story like i got it like i got it from an old guy in a little store in an estate sale. Then it was my 12th birthday and that turned into I found it in an abandoned attic. Then people were like, okay, that's fucking weird. Then people were looking at the facts like the barcode doesn't actually match what the actual product is if you really zoom in.

Secondly, a box that that's old, that's made by wizards of west coast the company that made the cards it would have faded like all the other like the stock from then that's like you see now it has like a certain patina to it it's faded and this didn't have it which led a lot of people to be like yo this is fucking trash and so now he's like trying to go logan paul's like i'm flying to chicago to figure out what what the deal is because these were authenticated. But all of this kind of reminds me of just like it's the exact same shit that happens in the art world. I don't know if you saw that series on Netflix called Made You Look about the massive art fraud that happened in New York where this gallerist was selling like Rothko's and fucking who's my splatter paint guy?

Pollock. Jackson Pollock. fucking uh who's my splatter paint guy pollock pollock yeah jackson pollock like like american abstract expressionist art where this woman was just coming into this gallery and being like yeah man this thing that would sell for normally for like five million i'll get it to you for like 600 000 and this gallery was buying it and and they were being like considered the real deal when in fact many of these pieces were fake and it's sort of like this whole momentum that people get in this world which is you're so fixated on the idea that i'm gonna have the fucking thing that no one else has that that gets weaponized and turned against you

when you're like but you know all the other things you're not considering the the provenance the fucking the act the fact that like they're not even gonna make you let you look at the cards to make sure what you're buying is real very similar energy you want a roth call i'll get you a rothko yeah i got a couple rothko's yeah i mean this is all part of capitalism and consumerism just, like, breaking down. It feels like it's of a family with, like, NFTs and rep sneakers that are exactly the same as the non-rep, like, the actual sneakers. And it's just, like, this shit has completely ceased making sense. Like, the... Yeah. It's just all telling stories to each yeah but it's yeah like consumer culture is like in this weird bubble now where it's like yeah man

this fucking picture of on your computer screen's worth fucking millions right you're like what the fuck is what is the value of anything anymore? I think that's, what's really interesting because even like you're saying with like, clearly people are making fake Pokemon cards because they're like, fuck it. What's they don't get like, people think it's the real deal. Exactly. Like what the fuck? Same with sneakers and like luxury items. Like what is the value anymore?

Is it the fact that you paid three and a half million dollars for it? Is it that you like the cards themselves, the way they look? Or is it like, you know, like most people, it's just to say, you know, I got it because I have this shit. We're killing the world by refusing to make a vaccine free to them so that these multibillion dollar American companies can continue to make billions and millions of dollars. And then with those billions of dollars, we're just basically like making various forms of money laundering a growth industry. That's what we've done with it as a nation is we're just fucking putting it in things that used to be considered money laundering and are now considered like something and also just as like a side note from like the from the purpose and how it's actually you know used these days like we have developed technology to the point where the actual physical

cards like don't matter anymore if you're trying to do with them what they're used for which is play the trading card game right there's there there are all sorts of apps you can play digitally online owning the card doesn't matter anymore so like the fact that the entire market is basically based strictly around the trading and the rarity of them is just like it is very lost the plot kind of uh kind of shit just contributing another small note here yeah bullshit the 30s are gonna be sick dude sick this is we're out in the 22 exactly this ain't stopping y'all that's what history's told me oh yeah yeah this is i mean it's just gonna it does feel like everything is kind of consolidating in the ways that it's just going rotten and the fruit is falling off the tree like all over the place. It does feel like something's coming to an end. But yeah, I will admit to lacking the imagination for what comes next. I don't think it's going to be what post-apocalyptic movies tell us. That's, I think, in some look at other countries that are sort of further along in their path of rampant inequality and what happens when it just truly turns into haves and have nots.

I think that's the more immediate example you get. Like, oh, it's functioning, but it's also very grim when you're on the ground. And I don't know. I mean, and also part of me also thinks like, I think we're like also it's like we're experiencing the 20s and the depression simultaneously right you know what i mean like both things are happening simultaneously and i think that's what's also kind of surreal because of the rampant inequality is that yeah there's a group here that's spending three and a half million dollars on fucking paper squares and then people who are buying like diabetic test strips like off the fucking know, someone who's just like hustling them because even the most basic medical like net necessities are are completely out of reach for people.

Yeah. Well, one possibility for where we're headed in the future is into the metaverse. Hey, let's go. Look at that highlight real quick. Hey, let's go. Look at that highlight real quick. There is. So CES just kind of happened in quotes because it was mostly shut down because of the pandemic. But a lot of tech was debuted and a at least France 24, which is a website I implicitly trust. a website i implicitly trust uh france24.com says that like ces won the show or sorry that the metaverse won the show won ces this year and you know our writer jam was pointing out there's

this uh clip going viral right now of somebody it's supposed to be like, so this person, Homo Digitalis, tweeted, this is how Walmart envisions shopping in the metaverse. Thoughts? Oh, yeah. And it's a video. It's actually a four-year-old video, like VR display from a South By thing. Sure looks like it. Revealed in 2017 in an effort to impress influencers at South By. 2017 in an effort to impress influencers at south by but that does illustrate like how lame and unoriginal the entire meta project is that like the thing that they are being like

look at this crazy like new world that we're entering is like things that have been revealed repeatedly for the past, you know, years, two decades, three decades. I mean, the nineties we were doing all kinds,

we were all in on VR. Yeah. Picked up and dropped like people like the, I've talked before about Michael Crichton's disclosure novel in which they're all about VR. And they're like, they have like this thing where they're trying to steal a file from someone's computer and like the way that they do it is they go put a vr set on and like walk down a hallway and like open pick up a physical file with their hand and then like walk back down and

like there's another person in the computer like in a in this v with this vr headset on it's very stupid but if you do watch this uh walmart video it's basically that but done for online shopping like you have to pick up with your vr glove like a a carton of milk and then like put it into your cart rather than just click on a fucking thing but then if you drop it you have to pick it up off the floor. Yeah, yeah. That was the amazing part. So, like, to show, like, how connected everything is. So real.

The person picks up a gallon of milk, puts it in their cart, and then this disembodied, like, Walmart assistant who floats in front of you eerily is like, assistant who floats in front of you eerily is like you are like your connective fridge is telling us you already have a gallon of milk okay you want to put it back more than normal right get out of my face yeah yeah and milk she's like you want to put it back then just put it back on the shelf and so the person then has to reach into the thing pick it up but then they like drop it and they like pick it up again and they left that in there and they pick it up again, and they left that in there, I guess, to make it like... I don't know why. To be fair, that's four years old, man. The technology's

come a long, long way. Those gloves, they have better grip now. They're far less likely to drop the milk now. So, it seems absurd, and yet the Oculus app was the most downloaded app in the apple store over the holidays meta hosted several big virtual concerts in the past couple weeks granted they did not go

well uh the biggest crowd was less than a million people and a fortnight concert hosted last year had tens of millions of people there so it's like not doesn't seem like it's taking off probably the way that Mark Zuckerberg had imagined. But it does feel like in connection with the previous thing that we were talking about, where we don't really have anywhere to go because everything's breaking about our current like reality rather than like coming up with solutions to build a new future and a new organization for our society, we might just spend like a couple of decades like going into some virtual reality thing would be one possibility that would be very depressing. I mean, yeah, it sounds like most of the focus is on like running away from shit. Yeah. You know, then confront everything.

All I see around me is running away from shit and not confronting shit. And I guess because confronting shit is too disruptive, where if you run away now, you're like, I don't know, I'm creating a whole new thing. Fucking metaverse. Trying to disrupt reality. Yeah. That's the new tech innovation is disrupting life as we know it and the other thing too is with those facebook meta we're on fucking facebook concerts was that the video is not like there wasn't anything three-dimensional about it's like you put a

headset on to watch a fucking two-dimensional video yeah imagine if you will miles you're watching one of those pokemon card opening videos but you actually it's so much realer because while it's still a two-dimensional screen you can look to your side and see other people are watching it and hear them heavily breathing into their microphone or you can look to the side and see the edges of what they've rendered yeah exactly the field of view and you're like what the fuck's this hard black line. There's also the problem that people are being like groped and, you know, assaulted. Oh, yeah. Again, like with the thing of like putting the milk back onto the shelf rather than just being like, oh, I'll just remove from cart by clicking this one button.

Like take that problem and expand it to dealing with online harassment and online, like, bullying and online racism and online, like, everything. It's just, like, there. It makes it that much harder to ever monitor police, like, any of those things. It's just going to be. And there's no record now because it's, like, all happening in real time. Exactly. Yeah. I was going to say, as your local guy who has been fighting for VR for a few years now, you could go back to old recap episodes of TDZ at the end of the year where I'm like underrated VR. I think I literally said it two years in a row. One of my favorite VR.

And you do hang out with Mark Zuckerberg. All the time. He's my boy. I mean, like, you know, we're going to talk about that right now. Anyway, just one of my favorite games to play in VR offers, before you get into it, is just this open lobby where everybody who's playing the game

in that lobby is just kind of hanging out and floating around the 3D space. And the number one problem that that game had was harassment and small children screaming into their microphones when you didn't have the option to mute every single

person in the lobby or make yourself invisible or anything like everything that happened was racism people grabbing your face and humping you with their robot bodies and every possible troll thing that you could possibly imagine in this very very tiny vr game that maybe had 3000 people that were playing it at a time, like trying to extrapolate that to millions of people is going, is just, it is, it is truly disaster waiting to happen. And, uh,

anybody who's been using VR for more than 10 minutes could have told you that. I just like beat saber. Beat saber is great. What a great game that you played by yourself. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Like I see the benefits of VR in gaming and, like, immersive film watching. Like, I'm totally down to, like, whoa, shit. Like, this is fucking great. But, yeah, beyond that, it's just weird. It's like they keep trying to force this thing. Like, no, man, VR is going to change the way you work. I'm like, most motherfuckers don't like to work. The fuck is vr gonna help truly no so stop like that's not the solution the thing that they've you know that facebook and social media is allowed is for you know these

massive corporations to enter into our daily lives and how we communicate and like view ourselves and portray ourselves to others it's like the most basic human things and this just takes the very last shred of that like our ability to like walk away from it and makes it so that you are like inside an actual world that they created like it makes sense as the next thing that they want to do. It just seems like it will be horrible for everyone. Yeah. And yes, like to your point about like all of the issues that already exist on Facebook,

fuck the VR aspect. Yeah. And then you want to now put all these people in there. And like the, the, the explanation is like, I mean, it's really hard to monitor this stuff in real time.

It's like, then it shouldn't be like, then you're up by even creating an environment for this to happen because if you already can't handle the rampant misinformation on your platform and you're just gonna be like i don't know then yeah that's not it or in my mind yeah or in my mind like don't you just have can't you just create enough, like, robust server, like, infrastructure where you can be like, I know exactly what happened in there. Because I got the whole shit. It happened in this software. Like, I can record.

And I don't need fucking, the whole thing itself is snitching on you the second you enter this shit. Because it's all being recorded they will have that but they won't put that technology towards anything that would make it like their responsibility to police and monitor it like in the same way that you know facebook you can still go and look at like racist hateful abusive comments that somebody left on an instagram account and you know that facebook didn't do shit about but they certainly like will pay attention to anything that is said that might make it easier to serve you a an ad that is going to be effective like that's yeah it's we really really can't let this one happen go to the virtual clan rally in the metaverse like right okay what

for what is this now like what's the what's the purpose of it all but yeah i again it's like one of those things like we y'all been trying this since the 90s i look i i saw the movie virtuosity too with russell crowe and denzel washington i thought hey that shit might be cool right but we're not that's not what this is and it's just just, and I guess, I don't know, like, is it, is it that we need like a, like a huge leap forward in technology for people to be like, oh shit, like I'm looking at someone's face. I could feel the wind on my shit. I can feel the temperature.

Like it's that immersive. I don't think, I think that's the thing that most people, like if we're going to enter some like WALL-E dystopia matrix type shit it's that this new form of quote-unquote reality is such that it's it's engaging all of your senses yeah i mean that's just dangerous the technology is already like pretty cool it's just i feel like in the wrong hands i guess like we're we're gonna be fucked yes because yeah i like the the big thing is that like you can only walk around on like a rug sized piece of space but i'm sure they're going to solve that in the not too distant future well they've got those like those like

multi-directional treadmills democratizing those right like making those more achievable right i do kind of want to try that that does look fun it looks cool like it does the way that that's going to happen probably is that like facebook right you know has the money to invest in making cheap ones of those so that it makes the metaverse so cool that you then are interested in going in there and then they have like fully captured you as a person. Yeah. They're like, hey, hop in your Omnitread, put on your goggles and gloves and come to the metaverse. Yeah. Yeah.

Like a yoga mat size thing. And it's just like, oh, shit. No, we're fucked. I don't know. Fuck it, man. I'm going to start some still drugs in the metaverse. There you go. They will be tracking that.

The only thing. The only violation that they track. Just did. Drug sales and speaking out against the government of your country. Right. Well, Daniel, such a pleasure having you, as always. Pleasure to be here. You kidding me?

You're a hell of a guy, you son of a bitch. Where can people find you and follow you? You can find me at all the places. Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, Twitch, DJ underscore Danil. D-A-N-L. And I go live on Twitch Wednesdays, Fridays, and Sundays. You can find me on them internets. All right.

And is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying? I got a couple. I'll hit you with my first one, which is probably something you guys talked about yesterday, but a friend of the show, guest of the show, Jason Pargin, responding to Elmo's tweet of, Has anyone ever seen a rock eat a cookie?

Elmo is just curious. Jason Pargin writes, Man, I just have no idea what people are fucking talking about anymore. I absolutely love that. And then the other one in the spirit of six, six word stories. This one only needed five from at Raptor breath for sale. Balls never tasered.

There you go. Miles, where can people find you? What's the tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter and Instagram at milesofgray. And if you like 90 Day Fiance, oh, then come on by to check out 420 Day Fiance with Sophie Alexandra. This shit goes up.

Goes hard. And it's stuck. Let's see. There's a few things, few tweets I like. First one is from Carter Hamley. Carter Hamleyley tweeted you should be able to go into the cockpit of the plane if you have something really cool to show them uh yeah i agreed uh next one's from danielle weisberg at danielle weisberg tweeted i don't know what you guys are talking about the american school system is perfect i have no financial literacy but i do know how to square dance

which is i fucking felt that in my terrible financially illiterate heart oh my god and finally at uh furtive onanist uh dana cassidy tweeted a screen cap of like google translate and it says she says are you fucking kidding me and it's the english is fucking in the kitchen and the dutch translation is nuken in the kookin and the whole thread is just like people putting in like like nasty dirty talk and translating it to dutch and it's great because like the languages are like to your ear. It can like if you've been in like the Netherlands, like some. I remember being high as fuck in Amsterdam thinking I'm not understanding these people speak English, but they were speaking Dutch.

And there's no one says spank me. Daddy translates to give me in clap. Papa. Just love. I just love the beauty of languages. shout out all the dutch listeners i know you're out there the nukin and the kookin was was mine but a little uh little background is that we've talked about before but the square dancing tradition is a tool of white supremacy that being taught in public schools oh hell yeah was no shit i turned

henry ford they turned a brown kid into a financially illiterate square dancer by design perfect perfect oh uh subha tweeted the the news is insane florona isn't a new thing it's just the flu and corona you can also get diabortum, which is where you have diabetes and boredom. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com,

where we post our episodes and our footnotes. We link off the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song do you think people might enjoy to a death? Oh man, you know, I love a remix. And I love to stay clean. So I love using soap

to stay clean. And if I was going to remix soap, I'd want to do it as a gladiator. Oh, you son of a bitch. Perhaps the gladiator remix of the track so but by none other than our guest today dj danil for people who don't know danil is a very talented musician and we always talk about music i'm getting but you know what i would be wrong to not tell y'all to go check out dj danil's work he's verified his. He's verified on Spotify. He and a powerful duo called Gladiator.

We're going out on the Soap Gladiator remix. Get it in. Get it in. There we go. Usually it's implied that I co-sign Miles' recommendations. I cannot co-sign this one. Not a fan.

I'm like, who? Just kidding. Gladiator is awesome. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows, and that is going to do it for us this morning.

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