The Daily Zeitgeist - The Most Invasive Product You Own, Biden Goes Full WWE 05.16.24

Episode Date: May 16, 2024

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wait so you're saying you went to the jay-z museum the exhibit jay-z had this big exhibit at the brooklyn museum where it was like all the ephemera from his life sort of on display and it was incredible there was like a recreation of a studio where he recorded some of his key albums and like the master reel tapes to some of his records and like his notebooks and all that stuff and you know all the stuff you would want to see yeah i'm walking around sort of blown away by all this stuff like jackets he wore in high school and stuff and then you turn the corner in the middle of one of the display rooms in a glass case all by itself sitting there is a 2005 webby award for like some webby that he made The Webby, the little springy one that I see over your shoulder.

Because I have a Webby over my shoulder here. It had its own little display case. It was so great. Famously I am not Jay-Z. I have fewer Grammys than Jay-Z. Those were there too, but those were grouped together. The Webby got its own protective case. The Webby, do we think they

put it there sarcastically? Like, ooh, and most important of all, our Webby. own protective webby do we think they like put it there sarcastically like oh and i don't most important of all our webby our webby from 2005 when there were like three categories i don't think there's that level of self-awareness around no kind of people who like tell the story of a famous artist or whatever they take it very serious and an award is an award like people people fuck with the webbies. And they're springy. They're sproingy.

They are springy. Which I've always appreciated. They fall off the shelf. They'll just bounce right back on. That's right. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church.

And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil.

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podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 338, episode four of Dirt Daily Zeitgeist. Wow. No, no yeah at all from our guest host. I got to say. I was ripping my headphones off as you were screaming at a level that I don't think I've heard you scream on this show before. Was that too loud?

It was so loud that Zoom did that thing where it was like, I think we're just going to shut everything down. It was like, you better get out of here. It's a human move to the waiting room. I'm hyped for this morning. It's a production of iHeartRadio, a podcast where we take a deep dive

into America's shared consciousness. And it's Thursday, May 16th, 2024. We're really not a podcast people can sleep to, I guess, is like one of the things that I've... Don't flatter yourself. I think people can fall asleep to most anything. They can fall asleep to most anything, but I think I fuck it up by screaming at the beginning. Yeah. Yeah. The screaming at the beginning probably freaks them out a little bit. The true sleep heads, they just do the 30, 30, 30 forward and then they get to this part.

Let's get past this and now nice and sleepy. My name is Jack O'Brien, aka I won't deny it. I'm a straight liar. It isn't water ice. It's pee. Or I should say it isn't water ice. It's pee. Or I should say, it isn't water ice. It's pee. That is courtesy of La Caroni on the Discord.

Truly the Shakespeare of AKs about the most specific thing. The two minutes of my life when I rode a ride with my nephews came off. My pants were wet afterwards. Nobody knows why why i think someone spilled a wood or ice many are saying someone spilled a wood or ice before i got on there uh lacaroni has his theories but uh that's just like his opinion so when was the last time you actually peed your pants oh i mean definitively? Like, with gusto? No, I'm just saying, like, you know, this incident you're describing, there's some plausible deniability. When was the last time you clearly peed your pants?

That I can clearly remember peeing my pants. I think it was probably some years before that. And it was probably when I, you know, i drank too much for a long time now i don't drink anymore so it's probably somewhere in there and i wasn't great great at uh keeping track of the the specific the specifics at that time of my life but i went this past weekend i went to a uh destination wedding uh which was if i was doing an overrated today, it might come up. But I was at this destination wedding and it was actually good. It was at a resort where there's just swimming pools everywhere and water parks and a ton of kids and free food. And for my

daughter, six, the other kids there were in that age range. For kids, it was like absolute heaven. Yeah. But it was absolute heaven for those kids to the level that, and I won't name names, but I think three different kids peed themselves at the party on Friday night at Destiny because it was just so exciting. Name names, you coward. Swimming pools, free food, Shirley Temples. Kids were going nuts. And it was just like, boom, boom, boom.

Three different kids independently peed themselves. It was great. Oh, yeah. kids were going nuts and it was just like boom boom three different kids independently peed themselves it was oh yeah i definitely peed my pants a few times like at school when i was super young yeah it was not it was not great anyways that voice you heard is our guest co-host a podcaster extraordinaire you know from this day in esoteric political history 30 for 30 the 538 politics podcast going way back. He's the lead producer on The Puzzler. It's Jody Avergan, aka The Ballad of Tom Jody Avergan.

Ooh, I like that. One of my favorite books and one of my favorite Bruce Springsteen songs. And there you go. Very nice. Thanks for having me. It's always fun to be here. And it's nice to be in a slightly different seat. It's great to have you.

Yeah. So you were setting me up to talk about peeing my pants as an adult. And then you had a story about children peeing their pants. I just want to make that clear. No, because certain activities belong to certain age groups. That's right. Yeah. And that's fair. And I shouldn't be peeing my pants as an adult.

And I've made changes in my life so that i don't yeah so there okay growth jody we are thrilled to be joined in our third and fourth seats by the host of the very fun true crime podcast ridiculous crime part of the ridiculous history universal podcast shows true crime and 99 murder free so if you're like me and you're saying, but what about my bloody merds? They managed to make a really fun podcast without the bloody merd. Please welcome Zarin Burnett and Elizabeth Dutton! Yo!

Thank you for having us. What's going on, guys? Oh, you know, just peeing myself. Just wetting our pants over here. Just letting it loose. Wait, I have a question about the show, which I've listened to and I love, and I thought it was 100% murder free. But does that mean that every hundredth episode, you just do one where you just go right for

it? Go to town on somebody? We commit a murder ourselves every hundredth episode. Yeah. You know. That's fun. We hold it in and then we can't anymore. Yeah.

Just like Jack, sophomore year of college. That's right. That's right. We hold it in and then we can't anymore. Yeah, just like Jack, sophomore year of college. That's right. That's right. All right, Zara and Elizabeth, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about. We're going to talk about the WWE-esque video dropped by Joe Biden just challenging Trump to a debate with some very specific parameters. We'll talk about the specific parameters. We'll talk about just the quality of the video, how we're all feeling in general about this election. Good, I'm assuming. We could just

probably zoom past that. The election is cool. Everything's good. But we'll talk about that. We'll talk about the fact that your car is definitely spying on you it's something we've touched on before but there's more reporting more more research into the fact that cars are essentially like you know when people are like so if you don't know what the product is like you are the product Like online, like why do they let us use social media for free? Why do they let us do Google searches for free? And it's like, well, they're, you know,

just creating a vast permanent record psychological consumer profile of you. Cars are doing the same thing, but they're not free. Yeah, they're charging you a fair amount. This makes me so mad. They're still charging us the same amount, if not more, than they were before. And they've slowed down production. Anyways, we're going to talk about all the ways it's spying on you and what they're doing with the information, all of that, plenty more. But first, Zarin, Elizabeth, we do like to ask our guests, what is something

from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Or you could also share something that you recently screencapped. Okay, well, my search history, if you want something that's revealing about me, I would say I was looking up higher dimensional cubic equations that provide complex numbered values for zero. But a more fun thing that I was looking up higher dimensional cubic equations that provide complex numbered values for zero. But a more fun thing that I was looking up was Dread Zeppelin, the Zeppelin cover band with an Elvis impersonator singing in Elvis crooning style. I was explaining it to somebody and I was like, all right, I got to go find out if they're still around. And then I realized that that pretty much says a lot about me, that I'm the type of person wants to see if Dread Zeppelin is still around. Not that I'm going to go see them.

I just want to know that they're out there like guar, making the world a better place. Wow. What's the Dread Zeppelin for? Dread Zeppelin. My question exactly. They're not Rastas? Imagine Led Zeppelin being played by a cover band that's doing it as reggae tunes. So Zeppelin's done his reggae tunes.

That's the Dread. And then the Zeppelin is the Zeppelin part. And then the lead singer is an elvis impersonator so he's doing on top of the reggae zeppelin songs robert plant as a as an elvis impersonator essentially it's a rare hat on a hat on a hat exactly once you get to the third hat it's funny again scoop of ice cream exactly it's a hat on a hat you can't do that everybody knows that third hat there's so many bits that one of the bits doesn't even make it into the name yes exactly that's how much it is

when you're going to a zeppelin cover band that is reggae based like you're probably okay with showing up you're like well yeah of course and there's an Elvis you've opened yourself to the universe at that point you're like whatever comes my way I'm fine with it exactly mostly high as hell at that point it just like this is all golden so are they still around and are they doing the like old fogey band circuit tour where they're just playing like hockey arenas in North Dakota yes and yes so they are playing the hockey arenas in Canada and they are just uh still around but uh I was just you know like, like you wonder about the economy for these types of bands. Can they still make it? But they are the ones that make it because

they're a touring band and that's where you make your money after you make your nut as a musician. So I was stoked for them because, you know, we need all the live music and all the silliness we can get. So give me more Dread Zeppelin in my life. Yeah. I appreciate that. And the first thing that you said, that jumble of words, of course, made sense to me, but might have been confusing to others. Like for Jody's sake. Yeah. Are you really? I'm just a co-host, you know, I can't follow this. Were you like a math major? No, I hated math. I failed math. I was was terrible at math turns out that it wasn't me it was the math teachers because once i found ways to find better math teachers on youtube i love math turns out okay i'm a huge math person i just had really bad teachers originally no you know i'm not

trying to put it all on them but they made it seem so boring so for lack of a better word just prosaic i had no reason to think that math was like illuminating the universe. The math was showing me all these amazing things that like, you know, how do I best put it? Symmetries, right? There's a beauty, there's an art, there is an majesty to symmetries. You don't learn about symmetries. You don't learn about things like the cubic equation till so far on that you must really love math. But if we explain these things to kids, we showed them how these numbers worked as a system. And I found ways to tell kids this stuff. And I'm like, man, not that I want to be a math teacher. I'd be a terrible math teacher, worse than the ones I had.

But I still think it'd be great if we found math teachers who could enliven math the way that they do for things like, you know, poetry or photography or things where they go, this is about life. You know, like put the life in math. It's not about numbers. That's what I found is once you go to physics, once you go to using it in science, then the math comes alive. So just fuse them from the start. Always use life examples instead of these abstractions that most people turn off to. My son is an eight-year-old who's a little math guy. He's really just naturally good at math in a way that I never was.

And I find it incredibly emasculating and I just discourage it at every turn. I don't know. But one of the little real world math stories, because I'm not like I can't do the math, but the story about Einstein figuring out that the way the universe operate, like using math figured out, like there's probably a black hole at the center of this thing based on numbers only. And then like decades later, us finally getting the ability to like see that far.

And you're like, God damn. Yeah. He saw that through math. Yeah. So I told that to my son and I think it like translated to him. I think he like're like, God damn. Yeah. He saw that through math. Yeah. So I told that to my son and I think it like translated to him. I think he like was impressed, which a lot, you know, the batting average on like telling a story like that. Your son was impressed with Einstein is what you're saying?

Yeah. My son was impressed with Einstein. But like, also, I like, I think I, my, my lack of faith was not in like Einstein being impressed, but my ability to convey that to an eight year old. But he has like, I think I kind of nailed it. He was like, damn. All right. Yeah. His eyes lit up.

Yeah. Yeah. It was kind of cool. Wait, can I, and Elizabeth, can I ask you a question about your show and your search history? Do you research your show on your regular browser or do you go in Cognito mode? Because I would imagine it just totally skews. Oh, completely.

The person the internet thinks you are. Or your car thinks you are. Also Instagram. I mean, I get the worst. The things I get shown on Instagram are absolutely terrible because of the show. The things I get shown. Ads for getaway drivers. Yes, exactly.

A lot of lockpicking. It's like, do you want to get into lockpicking? Yeah. Right. the show the things i get shown for getaway drivers yes exactly a lot of lock picking yeah right elizabeth how about you well zarin's the smart one that's not true i uh my search history right now is a lot aside from you know product mashups for the show and weird stuff uh i've been thinking about getting a dog um i'm a i'm a dog person and I lost my dog last year. And so I'm thinking like, I think I'm emotionally ready. But I feel creepy because I look through all the rescue sites and I'm like, ew, no. Ugh, no. Swipe right on that dog.

Right? I'm so superficial. I'm like, that dog looks nuts. And so I'm going through that and my last screen cap was a very boomer-esque screen cap of a qr code to take a survey about the peregrine falcons that live in the campanile at uc berkeley which i'm a little bit obsessed with and they have like the cal berkeley falcons and you can watch them on the live cam and they just had four little babies and they wanted to know, what are your thoughts on falcon, you nerd? And I was like, I'll tell you everything. So that's what I've been up to.

You're going to wish you never asked. Oh, my God. I got a lot to say about the peregrines. So, yeah, that's me. I'm a bit of a fledgling bird person, like getting into it. You're getting into birding? I can't like spot them although I have that Merlin app

on my phone and you just like go out in the backyard and it starts racking them up of anybody you got near you yeah it identifies them by the call that's pretty cool it doesn't identify my neighbor's rooster but hey there it is you know that one we're guessing you know that one

I'm old but I haven't hit like oh I can spot, you know that one. We're guessing you know that one. Yeah, I'm old, but I haven't hit like, oh, I can spot a, you know, titmouse old. I don't know. Yeah, yeah. So the app is called Merlin and it identifies bird calls? Yeah, it's Merlin and it's part of some university, I believe.

It's like Shazam for birds? Yeah, it's basically Shazam for birds. It's pretty cool. I just like the confidence of them to be like, this is like, yes, you've seen other cool apps, but this one is the one that is basically going to look like magic to you. They're like, it's straight up magic. And every time you use it.

We're not even going to call it, like, Burger BRDR or whatever. We're going to call this shit Merlin. And you grow a long beard and a robe emerges. And a walking stick. And, like, an orb of, you know, lightning. It's awesome. So awesome. Amazing.

What is something that you guys think is underrated? I think, you know, last time we were on here, Zarin was bagging on kids. And so I want to bring it back. I'm not going to. Well, it was gentle parenting. But yes, kids, fine. But, you know, he was just basically like, I hate kids. Yeah, exactly.

My general stance. My underrated, though, are magnet magnet tiles you guys got the kids you're familiar with magnet tiles yes but oh yeah not have a magnetic refrigerator no no no like it's like legos with oh they're incredible yeah okay magnet tiles we do have yes yeah i got a nephew he's over at my house every saturday and i now believe i have the largest magnet tile collection in North America. It's just bins and bins. You bought it to host, or he just has slowly been moving it over to your house? Oh, no, I bought him.

And then every time we start building something, we go, you know what, I bet we can hit the ceiling. And then he and I, he's four. We get on Amazon, and we find something. We're like, all right, it'll be here for next week. And so we just keep building, building. And I think they're underrated because there's so much to take with Zarin's physics talk. You really have to think about balance.

And you have to be very creative in your thinking. And it's not completely structured. And so I think they're an underrated toy for kids. Totally. Imaginative play. Yeah, there it is. So much easier to clean up than Legos. kids. Oh, imaginative play. Yeah, there it is. So much easier to clean up than Legos. Oh, yes.

And less painful. Yeah. Less painful. They're all like kind of one of like five shapes usually. I mean, that's a generalization. I don't want to be unfair to magnetiles. You got to do a lot of tessellating. Yeah.

It's not like Legos is just such a mess. Yeah. Magnetiles. I long for the days of magnetiles. That's why over not like Legos is just such a mess. Yeah, magnetiles. I long for the days of magnetiles. That's why overrated is Legos. For many reasons. Yeah, 100%. Oh, great.

Yeah, that's been my overrated before. Basically, Legos are for losers. No, I think here's my thing with Legos. It's very limiting. They hurt when you step on them. And then now I went to go get Legos and for the kid. And it's like so much of them are preset. Build this one specific thing.

And it's really hard to find just like the random branded thing. Star Wars thing. It's instruction following. It's pretty cool, though, when they build a giant parakeet or something. Sure. You're right. The sense of accomplishment for the kid we're talking about? Yeah.

But fuck the kids. Yeah. I don't know. I don't like rules. Fuck them kids. Fuck Michael Jordan. Fuck them kids. Fuck them kids.

Everybody should Google Jordan. Fuck them kids. In some. Right? I only know that as a meme. Is that actually... What's the context for that? He was in a shooting contest like in a like at a basketball

camp right and some other player was like hey man like you're supposed to like let the kids win i think and he said fuck them kids yeah i think it's on video but could you patron saint of our movement fuck them kids yes basically but i do like uh elizabeth how um this nephew of yours seems to be just like laundering all of his toy requests through you oh my god completely this is a safe house his father my brother was at the store trying to get a birthday present for some other kid's birthday party and he texted me a picture which one should what present should i get this kid and it was like magnets not magnet tiles but like a magnet kit or like a headlamp. And I show my nephew.

I'm like, dude, which one should he get? He says, tell him to get the headlamp and then you get me the magnet. I was like, all right, I'm a sucker. I will just give him everything. So, yeah, I know. I know what he's up to. And then you each return them to the other opposite store. You get a coupon and then you get that coupon.

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. The other thing with Legos is like, they're so, they have such a monopoly across. Like, so I got my,

like it was recently my eight year old's birthday and I got him an action figure just like an, you know, and he, at first he was like, wait i don't i don't get it like what do i do with this yeah what do i do with this but now it's like his favorite toy because it doesn't break into 100 pieces when you drop it right and you can but like legos are just so like all their toys just dissolve into 100 pieces when you drop them and they're like

impossible to like store anywhere whereas whereas this you put in a drawer and then pull it out. So yeah, it's just great. It's good that there's an interactive toy that requires spatial reasoning and all that stuff. I don't know. I feel like

it's too much at this point. It's too... Maybe that's just in my household because my other son is like obsessed with Legos. Well, and they're everywhere. I don't trust big Lego. No,

yeah. There's no way a company that big isn't like doing something. Spying on you somehow. Just like there are no good billionaires. You know, I don't trust them. Every fifth Lego in like a set has a listening device built in. It was weird,

but like, yeah, my daughter had one that was like, build this eye-tracking device. That's right. And then put it on your daddy's dashboard. While he shops online. Let's take a quick break, and then Zarem will come back and talk about your underrated over here. Let's take a quick break and then Zarem will come back and talk about your underrated overrated word.

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And Zarin. Yes. We would like to ask you what's something you think is underrated and overrated? Underrated? Natural delivery with that question. Thank you. Let me move my tea cozy out of the way so I can see my notes. Oh, yes.

Thank you letters. That's what I wanted to say was underrated. Elizabeth does thank you letters all the time. So I recently went out and I got myself my own set of stationary thank you letters so that I can start sending these out. Because when I was a kid, I used to send them out all the time. So I recently went out and I got myself my own set of stationary thank you letters so that I can start sending these out. Because when I was a kid, I used to send them out all the time. My mother made me. And people would always be very touched.

And then as an adult, especially as a young man, you forget this. You're the worst at correspondence. You're like, ah, they know. Maybe you'll call them. Maybe you'll text. But a thank you letter really is such a sweet touch. So now I'm getting back into it. And I got to tell you, it's like the littlest, tiniest, but most pleasurable delight, like making someone

stoked on what they did. You know, it just kind of like, it's like a little mirroring back, like, Hey, that meant a lot to me. And then all of a sudden that means twice as much to them. So it's like the only way to give back a gift, you know, cause it's the thought that counts. This is the thought you can return. So I'm all about thank you letters wow yeah and you're thanking people for just things they've done gifts uh you know if it's an extra measure of effort that they put out if they do something like i that i'm really touched by send a nice letter something like that yeah so part of the premise here is that you have to have people around you who yes social circle helps um you and they have to be yeah i don't

think you know the listeners of this podcast yes okay you can send them to your neighbors for just being quiet one night like hey thanks for not making a lot of noise yesterday really appreciated that but do you have to get their you have to get their address like is there an awkward like i can't tell you why but tell me give me just give me your address yeah that is a weird one these days people are not used to that text out of nowhere with the hey what's your address so that's a great text to send and then not send a letter oh i leave like hey what's your address i just have an ad and they think like oh i'm gonna get some mail and then it never shows it never shows up yikes i feel like i've done that numerous times start signing up for newsletters and stuff yeah

different book of the month clubs i will say for many years now i have done a like weekly send two or more emails to people who have like made something that i've loved you know written a good article or like a book or a piece of music or whatever, but just like a note of gratitude. And it is like, so rewarding to me. Like, it's just, it's just great.

I do it because I appreciate it, but it's just like, it's incredible how. Yeah. You read an article and then at the end you're like, Oh, that was so good. I immediately send an email because I know what it's like to create something or a book.

You write it and you have this echo chamber and have someone just say like, it made a big difference or I loved this part. Like, I'm with you on that. I think that's really important. But this is next level. The handwritten thing. Yeah, the handwritten thing. Zarin, do you have good handwriting? No, I have terrible handwriting, but I can try really hard

to make it legible so it looks like an eighth grade or, no, like an eight-year-old. And you also do the thing where you cut out the letters so that people can read it. Yeah, of course. Otherwise, how are they going to be, like, you know old. And you also do the thing where you cut out the letters so that people, of course, otherwise, how are they going to be like, you know,

all different and fun. It's fun to read. So it's just fun. And plus my magazine collection. That's the only thing I can get rid of it. So yeah, that's true. You use creepy rhyming prose. And I am big pentameter and Victorian.

It always starts out. This is the Zodiac. And you do it for months and months and months. And it's like all these cryptic clues. Olympic pentameter and Victorian tense. It always starts out, this is the Zodiac. Right, exactly. And every time. And you do it for months and months and months. And it's like all these cryptic clues and like a sort of puzzle across it. And then at the end, it just says, thank you for writing that article. Exactly.

Thank you for that lovely Blackberry pie. I sent a lot of thank you letters to local newspapers. They're yelling to the FBI. He's calling again. We've got him on the line. For your final thing where you revealed that you just wanted to thank them for writing. What is something you think is overrated?

Okay, overrated. Now, I was listening recently to this radical black feminist professor. Her name is Professor Loretta J. Ross, right? She goes, or she doesn't go to, she's a professor at Smith College and she lives in Atlanta. And she was talking about calling people out. And she was like, you know, I'm against that. And I was like, wait a minute, I don't know about this because I'm a big believer

in like, you know, speaking truth to power and stuff. And then she got me into the idea of basically don't call people out, call them in, but still speak truth to power. So that means you're going to go out there, you're going to call out public officials. You're going to call out powerful institutions. You're going to hold, but you're going to hold individuals accountable. So what that means is to call people in means you like, say you've got an uncle who's like racist and you're going to see him at Thanksgiving. When he goes to say something racist, you don't just let it go and you don't avoid them. You said, you go, you know what, man, I know you and I know how you are. And this doesn't square at all with how I know you are. And then you basically ask them to decide how they want to be.

And I was like, so inspired by this. So I think that basically calling out people is overrated because it's like Sun Tzu's idea of like destroying the village. It leaves them nowhere to be. So you kind of, you know, basically if you have Sun Tzu and a radical black feminist agreeing, you're going to get me to listen. Right. So my idea is that it's important to find a way to call people in. He kind of, you know, basically, if you have Sun Tzu and a radical black feminist agreeing, you're going to get me to listen, right?

So my idea is that it's important to find a way to call people in if you do care about them or the issue you're arguing about. If it's something that doesn't matter to you, fine, let them go, whatever. I'm not saying that. But if it does matter to you, at least have the temerity to go and say, I'm going to stand on business. I'm going to say, I respect you as opposed to you're my enemy. So simply, especially if it's somebody, you know, that's my old thing. So there you go. Calling people out, I think is overrated. It's a false sense of righteousness. I think calling

people in is a much more, you're going to get what you want, which is to change minds, to get, to make your view be a broader, more widely held view. And as somebody who spends a lot of time arguing, I think about this often, which is how ultimately, why are you arguing? You want to change their mind. You want them to find a better way. Otherwise, why waste your time? So if you're going to do it, do it well. Call them in as opposed to calling them out.

I like it. Yeah, but what happens if you're like, I know you're better than that. I don't. And they're like, no, 100%. This is, I am racist. You've misunderstood me drastically, sir. Then they've declared who they are and you can then act accordingly you no longer have to do anything but you at least give them the chance to

have that conversation if at the end of the conversation they're like you know what screw you and everything you believe you don't need to hang out with that person but you at least did honor the relationship and you honored your respect for the issue which is like i'm going to try to bring you around to what i think is an important thing if it's important important to you and this person's important to you, or you care about them in the least, or even if you don't care about them, you care about people who they affect, then go, hey, I'm going to at least, you know, say, I think you can be better than this, but don't make it like you are better. It's like, we can all be better. And this is how we do it is by constantly challenging what beliefs and biases we hold, because your thoughts stem from your beliefs,

not from your thoughts. So challenge a person's beliefs. Don we hold because your thoughts stem from your beliefs, not from your thoughts. So challenge a person's beliefs. Don't listen to their thoughts. Those are just, it's like secondary. It's downstream effects. Go to the beginning, go to the mountaintop.

If you want to deal with the stream. When I was in middle school in Dayton, Ohio, when we had the phrase calling someone out and that was to challenge someone to a fight. Yes. We had a, he called him out. Oh my God. someone to a fight. He called him out.

Rocky called him out. Did you ever get called out for a fight? I did. I did show up for the fight. Good on you. Did you win? So it was like...

That tells me everything I need to know. No, but it was like no but it was it was fun like there was this kid who I thought was my friend who like basically was the Don King who was like getting this fight going like so because he was like oh I think a lot of people would like to

see him get beat up and I didn't nobody got beat up but it was uh it was a draw it was still a splendiferous you basically just called him in at the end yeah exactly i just want to understand where you're coming from so this actually uh segues perfectly into our first story which is the actual president of the united states, Joe Biden, basically calling Donald Trump out like in the middle school way to two debates. There's a video that we would play audio for if Miles was here. Oh, by the way, I wanted to say on the subject of handwritten letters, Miles writes really great handwritten letters and has beautiful handwriting.

Good on you, beautiful handwriting miles is a great proprietor of your underrated but yeah so like is the the video that i saw that i think a lot of people saw where it's joe biden going direct to camera wwe style and there's like mid-sentence like edits like a youtube video and like there's like punch in punch out and he basically says he literally says make my day pal at one point wow it's the grandpa fight like i hear i hear donald trump wants wants to debate me i beat him in two debates and i i haven't uh he hasn't debated me since so you you want to do a debate, Donald? Make my day, pal.

I hear you're free on Wednesdays. Sick burn. That's a decent burn. That is a pretty decent burn. Because this criminal trial isn't in session that day of each week. But it just feels very strange. Like we've entered. I mean, I get this feeling every time Joe Biden like publishes a TikTok or, you know, the White House publishes a TikTok on his behalf.

Yeah. It just feels surreal. Yeah. There's big get off my lawn energy from him. Yes. And are you you're mostly reacting to the kind of optics and theatrics strategy, not the like actual debate strategy too, which I think a lot of people are talking about too, which is like, who's most, you know, advant just the very first kind of interaction with the clip is that this feels weird. It feels like politics has entered this new zone. I don't know if it's politics writ large.

Like, I don't think. Oh, I think it is. We've crossed the line. Like, you know, I. This is just where we're headed. I got annoyed for a long time with the like, when they go low, we go high because it was just like, we're just keep taking kicks to the teeth. Yeah. But now it's just gone.

So like no one has any dignity anymore. And so it's just like everyone will debase themselves and it's this race to the bottom. And it's so embarrassing. Like, I'm just so embarrassed by all of this. And I don't think we can come back from it. The market based politics. I mean, look, I i it's i don't think we can come back from it the market-based politics i mean yeah look i think it's clear and trump is largely both a reflection and i think genuinely responsible for a lot of this over the last you know eight years or so it is clear that like

politics and personality have merged right and what people are looking for is like a charismatic leader and And I think, you know, it started with Obama as like an example of this too, but you know, like mostly people are looking for like an individual to sort of filter their thoughts and aspirations and all that through. And for better or worse, Trump does that really effectively for people. He's a good avatar. And I think Biden needs to do that, right? Biden needs to tell a story that is centered on Joe Biden. But this is not as far as I can tell it, right?

Like, I mean, trying to do, trying to, there's a mistake there of trying to then thinking that and then saying, oh, well, that just means I need to play Trump's game and debase myself. Whereas I think the real lesson is I need to just present a cohesive and authentic story of who I am and how people can find meaning in what I want to do with this country. And in whatever weird way in 2020, I think he kind of did that. I mean, it was a very

weird year. And so any sense of normalcy, I think people were overcorrecting for it. But I do think he did position himself as like, dignity still matters. Steadiness still matters. Norms still matter. And this feels so against that. And he just needs to pick who he wants to be and then be that. And maybe that is a little bit of like, I'm not scared of this guy, which I appreciate and I think is true. And I think Joe Biden, that is authentic little bit of like, I'm not scared of this guy, which I appreciate and I think is true. And I think Joe Biden, that is authentic Joe Biden, but doing it in this particular way, like I just don't see him playing this mode that we saw in this video for the next six months and

having it feel like something that people can really glom onto and be inspired by. A new blend. Don't you think that like there's the previous sunglasses, cool guy, Biden, then there was like dark Brandon. And this feels like a merging or a synthesis of those two, like dark Brandon being the Internet avatar of Biden. And then, you know, like cool guy Biden in the in the sports cars and driving around with sunglasses and lowering them. That's more of his like, you know, street performance of Biden. And I was trying to merge those into this like fighting Biden. And now he's trying to merge those into this like fighting Biden. But I think that you're correct that he should just be himself because, and I think even the idea of how we relate to politicians goes even further back to JFK and the first TV election, right? He beats Nixon because he looks cooler, right? And then you see kind of like, you know, Nixon learns from that. He figures out, oh, I got my silent majority. Then you get the next big evolution is Reagan. Reagan goes, okay, we're going to take it from TV to movies.

Now we're going to get into iconic. I am the cowboy. I am Americana. I am the Western. And people, they glom onto that. Then you get another change with like the handover to the boomers. And then you get the Bill Clinton era of like, okay, we're going to start doing this as like a continuation of the revolution that we tried. He wasn't a part of to stop the Vietnam war and all this. We finally got our chance. Don't

stop believing, you know. And then they'd start doing this whole, you know, what is it, bridge to the 21st century so they could start talking about the future. That was the last time the Democrats have talked meaningfully about the future was Bill Clinton talking about the bridge to the 21st century. We're now a quarter of the way into the 21st century. What has anybody in the Democrats said about, okay, here's the big model, the big dreams, here is the great society, here is the square deal, here is the new deal, here is the promise of how we're going to actually lead as opposed to react and then try to signal and send messages. It's become such a media-driven way for politics to behave that they've actually forgotten not just the messaging,

but what is the message? What are you promising people? And I think that people want something beyond rural broadband. And I know Biden should get a lot more credit for his infrastructure stuff, but that's essentially what that message came down to. So dream big Biden. And then I think you can pull people into something other than your personality, which I think is important, but your personality has to then align to something that we can all say, oh, this is, we're going this direction. Otherwise, it's just like, kind of like picking your favorite ice cream. Yeah. I mean, I, I think I disagree with you in that. I think that there are enough accomplishments and cohesive sort of policy. Oh, definitely. It's just not publicly known. Right right and it just hasn't come together and i worry

or i'm yes i'm curious whether this video and just in general there's a sort of sense of panic of life i think so why is that story not breaking through the sort of steady progress thing and so now we're gonna we're gonna flail a little bit they aren't giving him credit for the economic package right now or the economic picture so like there's a lot of disconnect between his real story and what people think of him across. It doesn't even matter which side of the divide you go and ask them for their opinion. They're going to say almost the same thing about Biden's performance, which is a shame that, you know, that's almost, I think, less his fault and more of the fault of his surrogates. You know, you got to get out there and be able to tell these stories in ways that are compelling

and simple and easy to remember yeah this reeks of like you know all of the people surrounding him like coming up with different strategies and stuff and it just feels a little inauthentic exactly it also feels like it gives me anxiety it just he totally generally seems to have these moments of like high energy where he like writes checks that then his mind and body can't fully cash like that press comp like i that's that's what this made me worried about is like that press conference where he was like that's it i'm going out there i'm gonna tell him what's what with all you know Joey B. And he did fine for like 20 minutes. And then someone like asked him a question as he was leaving the stage.

And he like came back and really started like struggling. And it's we also have an NBA podcast. And like something we've seen this year is like some of the great players who are like, you know, getting older. And they'll have these games where they're like amazing but then they'll just have like three games where you're like oh they're not there you know like they're just totally does biden need load management right yeah there's like they have these high high points but then they can't really and i i worry that this is the case with biden like you can't always flip it on whenever you want to right like and and who who kyle lowry i'm trying to i'm just trying to imagine who these

players are that you were referring lebron dame no lebron still has it lebron was great but he was not able to turn it on up to the degree that he needed to. He was still like, no, he's unprecedentedly great at a late stage. Sorry to turn this into basketball time. No, no, no. But I have a question for all of you. But, you know, I think the big fear about the budget, the big fear for, I think, Democrats and Biden's people probably is that no matter what they do, no matter which version of Biden they try and put out there, people are going to have that. Their shoulders are going to get tense.

They're going to start to feel a little icky. They're just going to be like, oh, you know, no matter what they do. And I'm curious if you think there is a version of Biden that can go out there and not elicit that reaction. What do you think, Elizabeth? that can go out there and not elicit that reaction. What do you think, Elizabeth? I think that everyone just has this fear that, for some reason, his flubs mean more than like flub-a-thon Trump. So, you know, Trump can do all sorts of crazy stuff.

We expect that. And we expect it. And then, so, yeah, we're all tense waiting for Biden to make some misstep or, you know, say something dumb. And while I think the whole thing is this completely devolved version of what we want, my question to you guys, is there any part of you like me that would love to just see them physically fight? I mean, come on, let's be real.

Trump almost tried to do it with Hillary at the debates in 2016. Right, but I mean, like, let's be 100% real. If we were just like, you know what, you guys want this? You want to be so crass and trashy? All right, let's be 100 real if we were just like you know what you guys want this you want to be so crass and trashy all right let's see it like who i would love to get the typers on and go for it yes exactly exactly the octagon i mean i'm i'm pushing for joe on that one yeah crotchety old irish dude come on to the degree that like both of them would probably be dead by the end of it. Oh, completely.

And then maybe that's when I get it. I do. I will say when Joe Biden falls, he just falls. And when Donald Trump falls, he stumbles backwards for like 50, 60 yards. Yeah. And then falls into like a cake. He's like relying on the lips. Yeah.

Biden crumples into just like a pile. He just stunt rolls. Yeah. crumples into just like a pile he just rolls yeah i always thought that in the beginning of covid they should have taken a note from the world war ii playbook of like sacrifice and yeah is is the most patriotic thing you can do like you are a patriot if you wear a mask like donald trump was president if you just let us open up your lungs and shine some sunshine. Spray it down with some Lysol. We missed an opportunity to save a lot of people.

Well, yes. And change the atmosphere of the country from like, you know, this fear that we all had to say, look, we're against this sort of common enemy. And, you know, we've done it before. We've rallied before. We can win again. And, you know, that all it before we've rallied before we can win again and you know that i'll go blown to hell so yeah that one video where he addressed the nation at the beginning of and it ends with him going okay

that's what they need to go back to is like this man was so overwhelmed by this like y'all don't understand he thinks like speaking of movie iconography he thinks that hannibal lecter is a real historical figure who has died like it doesn't it's so confusing what is possibly happening in his brain well you know gettysburg wow right gettysburg wow is great so they are like somewhat surprisingly biden is proposing and i think trump accepted that they completely sidestepped the commission on presidential debates which is seem like it's leading down a fight club direction oh yeah and it's also seems like it's designed to freeze out any other independent or third party candidates with brain worms yes so like i feel like this is one of those things where it's like in this case yes fine thank you for doing that

you know kennedy's pulling at 16 according to some sources which is right on the verge of the 15 a little bit over the 15 that would qualify him to share the debate stage and like we don't want that as a like no thinking society on the other hand like it feels like a bad precedent yeah i'm with you dude let brain worm go up on the stage if you can't beat brain worm i mean come on it's a debate stage you need to be able to have rfk there and use that to your benefit. Align him with your opponent. Do everything you can to use that as a splinter. Don't be afraid of it because that shows, to me, it advertises fear. So be excited that RFK is on there because it shows that the populace is not necessarily for Trump.

Use that to your benefit. I feel like also RFK becomes, like, just seeing him in motion and hearing him speak is less. Yes. You know, I feel like he gains a lot from just people's associations and loses a lot from seeing him in person. I don't know if it's true of all of them, but I mean, I do think there is a real argument for like Trump on a debate stage is a freaking wild card. Totally. Trump on a debate stage is a freaking wild card. Totally, completely.

And I think people have memory hold that in 2016, the debates really hurt Trump. And maybe the story of 2016 is that there was too big of a gap between the last debate and the actual election for Trump to just start to people forget a little bit and start to take that back. He had a lot going on, Jody. Now he's just going to be focusing on this debate singularly and a lot of debate prep. Laser, laser focus. But now they're arguing, and I think even as we've been taping, they're now going back and forth with like, well, let's do two, let's do three, let's do

them earlier, let's do them now. I'll do one now. I'll do one now. Miriam Court. Takes his jacket off. I do think, in a weird way, both of them are trying to weasel out of the debates but for different reasons or like they both they both they both i think probably don't want to actually debate but for different reasons and i think it's this weird now they have to call each other out but also try and minimize it and so that's where you're

getting into this weird like we're going to do them early in the summer and on like one network and you know it's like debates don't i mean on the one hand they'll still go everywhere because social media but uh you know it's like if a debate happens and no one really watches it and it's it's a network that trump loathes so it gives him an out as they get closer to be like oh i can't trust them they're slanted against me i don't want to participate it's all rigged yeah you know i expect he's got the first one yeah yeah he just doesn't show yeah he's like i stood you up you're a loser exactly i think that'll be it i stood you up i think that's gonna be the argument look at how embarrassing you were

just waiting for me there was a debate where they had an empty podium for trump right yeah a primary yeah yeah unbelievable all right let's take a quick break we'll come back we'll talk about our car spying on us we'll be right back i'm jess casaveto executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades.

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Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, obviously privacy, major concern for anybody interacting with tech companies, Obviously, privacy, major concern for anybody interacting with tech companies, whether it be, you know, those companies monitoring your Internet history, government recording your cell phone calls. We still have to worry about good old fashioned perverts in our neighborhood. But the worst product for privacy is apparently our car. Modern cars are what's being called a privacy nightmare. car. Modern cars are what's being called a privacy nightmare. While automakers are bragging that they're selling computers on wheels, they basically allow car companies to just spy on us with little to no oversight. A 2023 study conducted by Mozilla's Privacy Not Included project

found that all 25 car brands that they examined flunked their tests, making cars the quote, worst category of products that they've ever reviewed. That's bad. That is bad. Yeah, recently

manufactured cars have dozens of sensors including microphones, cameras, microphones. Can I please read the finish the sentence you're about to read because it's the best part ofphones? Yeah, microphones. Wait, wait, wait. Can I please read the finish the sentence you're about to read? Because it's the best part of this whole story. And Jody, take it away. Dozens of sensors, including microphones and cameras, that harvest personal information, including your, quote, race, weight, and sexual activity, which can then be sold to third

parties. Okay, your car is reading your race, weight, and sexual activity. Yeah, it's a jizz eater. Race, weight, and sexual activity in your car. Is that through the camera, the mics? Like, which way are they recording your sexual activity? Just car, just car sexual activity? Like, we really need to know how many people are fucking in this car. Yeah, exactly.

This is the great question. Like, is it, are they just tracking where you're going and they're like oh another booty call or is it like people jacking off in their car is it people having sex in their car like is it the seat sensor that like just goes up and down how is that information then being used how is that they're making better seats for sex so what are are they doing here? Yeah, no, I think probably to advertise condoms. Well, no, you get in the car, you open it up and there's a pregnancy test sitting on the driver's seat. You're like, oh, God damn it. Just immediately drives you to the OBGYN.

Well, yeah, because it's tracking everything. Yeah, it's tracking your cycles. They know everything. Yeah. Tracking your cycles. They know everything. This is where, you know, with a lot of these types of stories, I find both despair, but a slight little bit of hope, which is that, like, I think these are not the sharpest folks in the world. And, you know, their main strategy is let's just hoover up as much information as possible. And, you know, but then what are they actually going to do with them? It's kind of like, and I know this is a ridiculous analogy

and this organization did a ton of harm, but it's kind of like the CIA after the Cold War went into this mode of just like, we're going to spy on everyone. We're going to gather everything. We're going to run. We're going to run. We're going to find out what happens

when you take mushrooms, when you're a cat and you take mushrooms in an air balloon. We need to know that. We're going to miss the fall of the Soviet Union. But they create this giant bank and they've got, they just keep generating it it and then you disaggregate it as each business comes to you and it's like all right here's exactly what i need and then they can pull it

all out for them so it's got maybe i'm living this by the way you guys i i'm not the sexual activity in the car part i got a subaru not too long ago because i live in the bay area and then as an aging punk that is apparently our new vehicle of choice. Yeah, you're given one, I think. Well, I had to prove. How many December-ist albums do you own? I was like, three. Like, okay, yeah, yeah.

You should have just said, I host a podcast. Oh, yeah. No, that was already. That's why I got the upgrade, the leather seats. So anyway, I get this car. If I run out of wiper fluid, I get texts from the car like, hey, hey, you're out of wiper fluid. Wait, texts from the car? Great.

Say like your car? Yeah. And then I'll get like from the Subaru app. The car. And then it gets like a little more urgent. It's like, look, bitch, take care of your car. I don't know how many times I have to tell you this. Can you see out of the windshield?

Like pretty soon they're going to disable it. Like you're filthy. And I'm just like, okay, okay. And then I just have to begrudgingly go to like O'Reilly's and get wiper fluid put in. And then I'm always like slam the hood. Are you happy? Are you happy now? Will you leave me alone?

Just starts quietly humming the O, O, O, O'Reilly. Exactly. Auto parts. Yeah, that's what happens to me. Throwing it out there. So I'm living this nightmare and god knows what else you're like you know she goes to the market a lot you're now in a dysfunctional relationship with your subaru yeah well i i just in my life i go around and i just gather

dysfunctional relationships that's how i operate so the car makes sense yeah so nobody knows exactly how that data is being gathered just that like nissan for instance is i think the worst offender on the report they reserve the right to share and sell preferences characteristics psychological trends predispositions behavior attitudes intelligence this guy's a real dipshit what if your car is a nissan the zoom zoom thing worked on him is that nissan i can't remember well they deduct points when you're like trying to pull into a parking lot and you hit the curve yeah abilities and aptitude no so this is where it's actually like the thing that you described i'm like i kind of would take that. Like, that's cool.

Like, I would take a text message being like, hey, you usually miss your oil change, oil check by 20,000 miles. We're just adding this extra service. We're just going to send you a text message letting you know, like, you need to do this. And we'll text you every week just to remind you until you fucking do it yeah well i want it to be like uh p.s your passenger left fries in the seat of the car last night oh my god that would be horrible when you get in there it smells like shit in your car yes like that's gonna deduct points from my subaru points that're going to turn over to whatever the government, the revenuers.

So they're sending this information directly to the police without a warrant. Wow. They're also sending it to insurance companies. And so like one driver found that his car insurance jumped by 21%, even though he hadn't been in any accidents. And the reason was that General Motors collected data, including details of speeding and sharp accelerations, and gave it to their data broker partner who handed it over to the insurance company. So every time you hit the accelerator,

it's going on your permanent record. That's ridiculous. I'm so screwed. But that's for the people who are like, I haven't been in an accident. I'm a great driver. You're like, uh-huh, really? I've seen you. You caused accidents behind you, but you personally haven't. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And automakers sent vehicle location data to police without a court order or warrant.

Why are they snitching? Like, what's in it for them? Are the cops paying them or they just want to keep like a good accord? Like, what's up with this? them are they are the cops paying them or they just want to keep like a good accord like what's up with this i don't know a good accord a good accord the patriot act sunsetted right yeah from what i understand because that's how we got a lot of like oh it got reauthorized okay because i'm wondering if that's what the warrantless searches falls under that because if you can say that it's part of like terrorism and that's a very loosely used term sure they use it to go after a lot of drug dealers and so they didn't you could get without a warrant so i'm wondering if it falls under that

so what i'm doing i remember when in like 2002 they were like don't buy weed it's could be supporting al-qaeda so like anything can be tied back to terrorism i still bought weed i won't tell anybody. Yeah. I just want to know how the sex I'm having in my car is related to terrorism. It is. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, they'll find a way. Yeah. I mean, she used to be an ISIS, but I don't think that she counts. I think you need to be more concerned that Honda has like a crack smoke sensor. Yeah.

No problem. Kidding. It really feels like we're headed that direction yeah that is though yeah because we make fun of like china with like oh they've got cameras and you're gonna lose your social status score or whatever if you cross on on a red light but we have our cars snitching on us i mean like this is just the capitalist version of the state-controlled monopoly of like surveillance i mean this is no different we're just you know people are making more profits off of it we're all like all like our score that we get from Uber drivers, our score that we get, like all of that's going to merge into a central database.

We're just like our rating as a person. And then that gets that determines your credit score and whether you can get a loan. Yeah. Yeah. I was always afraid as a kid that I had my permanent record in like a filing cabinet somewhere and now we kind of do we really do have a permanent so the anxiety was probably not helping your anxiety no nothing does oh man my permanent record is fucked oh god i tried to steal my seventh grade oh no yeah yeah i burned down the school just to get rid

of my permanent record yeah but that went on your permanent record exactly I didn't know that I was young well Zarin, Elizabeth such a pleasure having you guys on always I love when you let us darken your doorway where can people

find you, follow you, hear you all that good stuff well Ridiculous Crime, iHeart's Ridiculous Crime, the child of Ben and Noel's Ridiculous History. And so you can find us there on any podcast platform. We have a really amazing website that was designed by a team of MIT scientists. It's RidiculousCrime.com. And yeah, that's where you can find us.

Zarin, you can find him a lot more places uh i got a new show on the iheart network a very special episodes like little audio movies or like magazine feature stories but that come alive in audio i recommend that and then um yeah i think ridiculous crime is obviously the best place to catch us so look for us there wait sarah and what's that show called again very very special episodes right i'm gonna check it out amazing is there a work of media that you guys have been enjoying uh let's see i i write often to uh to streaming services like i'll sit there and like just put on some show that i have like six up six seasons i'm like nice and then like it becomes the backdrop but

they're always insane shows like uh right now i'm watching a rewatching Vikings and Oh my God, do I love it? It's so beautiful that I constantly look up and get mad that I'm like not writing anymore because I'm looking at the imagery. So I recommend Vikings for a rewatch. There you go. Amazing. How about you,

Elizabeth? I've really gotten into it. I hate that. I can't remember the name of the account, but there's this Instagram account with a dog that they dress up and they like blow out his hair and put on sunglasses and a gold chain. And he kind of looks like early Jonah Hill. And I love that for me. You know, like I said, Zerm's the smart one. I just, I try and just keep my, my mental activity

very low. He's the one with the Bob Ross afro, right? Oh, completely. Yeah. Yeah. So that's it. Jody, wonderful having you on as guest host. Where can people find you, follow you? And is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? I'll plug two quick things. So one, I have a newsletter. I'd love people to subscribe to that. So you can just Google Jody Avergan Substack.

You'll find that. And then he doesn't need my help, but I'm recently on board as the executive producer of trevor noah's podcast and i gotta say i really love it and i like working with him a lot and people should check out what now with trevor noah i think we're trying to do something a little uh a little special there so go check that out um and then in terms of media i just am in the final pages so no one spoil it for me, but of this book called Burnham Wood, B-I-R-N-A-M Wood, which is really wonderful.

And it's, I have this habit of when I take a trip, if I'm taking a long trip and I want to find a book for a trip, I'll go to the Hudson News and I'll take a photo of like all the books on the shelf and just put it on social media and just say like, zoom in and pinch around and tell me what, which one of these is actually good. And a couple people recommended Burnham Wood last time. And it was like the best of every time of all the times I've done this, it was the best,

the best read. And it's just like, I like that as a, like, give me a suggestion. That's great. You limit it down to like, which of these that's really,

yeah. And I'm just going to, you know, I'm going to buy an airport book, but I want to go to the airport book and I'm going to read it on this trip and then move, move on. So I'm going to probably borrow that. That's brilliant. Do that to the airport book. I'm going to read it on this trip and then move on. I'm going to probably borrow that.

Do that. What is the book? It's called B-I-R-N-A-M Wood. It's about an environmental collective in New Zealand that meets a mysterious billionaire. Some stuff happens, but mostly it's just like beautifully written and great greatly rendered characters and a lot of like rich interior lives and you know i i like my main experience reading the book has been like it reads easy i mean i'm just like finding stuff like all of a sudden it's like five pages in but then i'll like have read a page and i'll just be

like that was beautiful and then i'll be like, that was beautiful. And then I'll be like, and nothing happened. It was just like a description of someone just like walking down the street. Uh, but it's just, I don't know. You know, it's good. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Tweet. I've been enjoying Ellie Cremendale tweeted. ADHD is ridiculous. Like, why am I holding my pee?

Because quote, peeing is boring. And I identify with that. Showering for me is the one that I'm like, I don't want to shower. It's so boring. That's bad for the people around me. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist.

We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. We link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode,

as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. And while Miles is out, we like to bring in super producer, Justin Conner. Justin, is there a song

that you think people might enjoy? Yes, I'm reeling from the fact that there was no footnotes shout out. So I'm still trying to collect myself for that. Oh, fuck. I had one job. Yeah, you really fucked up. Can we put on footnotes?

Can we put that in? Yeah, there you go. I'll add that in post. No one will be able to tell. There's this song I just started listening to. It really reminded me of like an unreleased Steve Miller band song. It's kind of got the aesthetic feeling of Fly Like an Eagle while being his own separate thing. Yeah, it's got some tight in-the-pocket drumming, some funky bass riffs, and just feels like a modern classic.

So this is The Light by BreakBot and Irfane. That's I-R-F-A-N-E. And you can find that song in the footnotes. Footnotes? Nice. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you find podcasts.

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