The Daily Zeitgeist - The NRA Is Racist, Don Jr. Needs Cash 6.4.21

Episode Date: June 4, 2021

In episode 923, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian and Bitchuation Room host Francesca Fiorentini to discuss Biden's new strategy in Senate, the Trump's joining cameo, the truth behind the constitutional right to bare arms, athletes' mental health, and more!FOOTNOTES: Biden tries new strategy with moderates as frustration grows Sinema on why she skipped vote on Jan. 6 commission: 'I had a personal family matter' Donald Trump Jr. joins Cameo Was the Constitutional Right to Bear Arms Designed to Protect Slavery? Naomi Osaka's withdrawal throws athletes' mental health into sports spotlight LISTEN: The Gap Band - Outstanding Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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as always by my co-host Mr. Miles Gray! Yay! And you don't stop. Season 187 of the motherfucking pod. Woo! Because it's season 187. Wow. Shout out to Calvin Brodus. Well, not before he cut that murder charge. But Wow. Shout out to Calvin Brodus. Well, not before he cut that murder charge,

but anyway. Shout out to at Bean Scientist. Beanie Sanders on Twitter for that. It's wonderful. It's deep cover inspired, aka.

It's beautiful and we got it just under the wire. This is the season finale. I can feel it. That was a good song. That was a good ass song. Underrated.

Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat once again by a correspondent a stand-up comedian who you know as the host and head writer of the series news broke the msnbc special red white and who uh correspondent on nat geo's explorer and as a regular commentator on young turks network the Bitchuation Room podcast. She's been on Love It or Leave It, and is just a very funny comedian.

Francesca Fiorentini! Yeah. Don't interrupt my intro, Miles. And this is part two of a... Francesca Fiorentini, hi. Hi, Francesca Fiorentini. Francesca Fiorentini, hi. Hi, Francesca Fiorentini. Francesca Fiorentini, how are you? Oh, I'm good. Yeah, this is a little bit of a part two

because my fiance was on yesterday. Matt Leib, yeah. Matt Leib. And I know he told a lot of, just put out all the dirty laundry. Yeah. Of our perfect engagement. Yeah.

And I'm not going to go back and choreograph it re-choreograph it correctly right oh and hire a photographer uh so i'm gonna need some reshoots a little extra budget for the reshoots on this one um this time you're gonna ask that he not proposed to you with a blue raspberry ring pop is that correct i really wish he had him because it would have been far less expensive he sounded so stressed yesterday oh damn oh man i gotta i gotta figure out what to do with this thing here's the thing when you buy a ring first of all don't consult sex in the city because i know he did that like 15 years later and then number two don't ask my brother don't ask the only man you know of my family my brother wraps

christmas gifts in newspaper still like at the age of 36 or 40s 40 now like this is the kind of part like he was like oh so right you know imagine the jeweler imagine the jeweler just like the door opens and you see matt lieb's face just like all dumb and in love and you're just like yes oh buddy did your brother at least wrap it in the comic section yeah i was I was going to say. Of course. Tasteful. It's not like the international news, you know, like drought. I remember like one of the first birthdays where my, like, you know, because of heteronormacy, my mom was wrapping the gifts when I would go to a birthday party.

Like, you know, like, okay, take your gift. This is the gift for the party. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And when my mom was out of town once and my dad had to wrap a gift and he did it in the in the funnies you know the comics the newspaper and i was so bummed out my yo this looks like trash dad this is newspaper he's like it's the funnies man at least it's not the auto trading section or whatever and i was low i was just so mortified at like seven years old pulling up to pistol pete's uh pizza place place with this janky ass gift.

But anyway. Was it for a child? Yeah, it was for another kid. Oh, I thought you meant it was for Pistol Pete Maravich. I thought you were at his birthday party. It was like a Chuck E. Cheese type place we had out here. Right. Pistol Pete's?

Yeah. Where did you grow up? Arkansas? No. What? LA. The Valley. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. My favorite. Simi Valley? Shotgun Shams. No. yeah where did you grow up arkansas like what la the valley oh yeah that's yeah my favorite

simi valley shotgun show no yeah because that sounds like some valley okay okay look la has been la is a mess okay and a place that was a kid's restaurant in the early 90s you know i wasn't expecting anything remotely close to relevant or culturally sensitive. I really want kids to understand the kinds of birthday parties and the janky ass places that we had our birthday parties. You know, like Rocky and Bullwinkle's, like the animatronic, like how scary and haunting, yet somehow we loved it. Right. At least I love Rocky and Bullwinkle's um ball wait where's where's rocky and bullwinkle it was up in the bay bay area and it doesn't exist anymore i don't know

i think what some of them got canceled i don't know who you know how it is with these pizza places right no i meant like rocky or bullwinkle yeah i think bullwinkle did some shady shit francesca we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners. Oh, boy. A couple of things we're talking about today. We're going to talk about the radical in the White House, Joe Biden. He's going to get things done with some loving nudges.

A new strategy. We're going to talk about Don Jr.'s, how he's, what's he on? What's that site called? Cameo. Cameo, right. He's on Cameo. I'm acting like I haven't already paid the money to get a Cameo for you, Miles. We're going to talk about why the Second Amendment is a white supremacist tool.

We're going to talk about Naomi Osaka. We're going to talk about how nobody knows how to act. Part 23,455,654. We're going to talk about our treats economy. We're going to talk about movie theaters now being cool with you just not wearing a mask. All of that. Plenty more. But first, Francesca, we like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are?

Yeah, see, we do this. People forget about this. The one thing that I didn't do. Yeah, but see, this makes it more honest because you can't even prep. You got to just tell us what is actually in your search history. Okay, this one I think I deleted. But I was just double checking that truffle butter

actually means the thing as gross as i thought it meant and as inappropriate and sexual and unpleasant and then i was like why did nik Nicki Minaj have to do a whole song about this? Like, why? You didn't have to go there. And I'm not going to get into a Nicki versus Cardi, but team Cardi, obviously. And I know some people think that they're different, but like, ew.

And so I did the boomer thing, which is for sure a lot of us are like, what does this mean again? I thought I knew. Truffle butter. You know, it's just very like. What's truffle butter made of? That sounds yummy.

Yeah. What are the. So. So, yes, I did that. I literally just looked that up last night. Apropos of nothing. Got it. Just me.

I don't know why I thought about it. Also, yes, it's a very dangerous practice to have anything remotely like trouble butter happening. Please, please read up. Please be safe out there. Wait, why is it dangerous? All right. So I'm just going to read off of Urban Dictionary.

I'm just going to stumble headlong into this. You wanted to know. Oblivious. So off Urban Dictionary, it is a combination of fluids from having anal sex and intercourse referencing to the color and texture of thick substance that forms after having both anal sex and the direct penetrate okay i'm a very serious correspondent i want everyone to know i've covered really important issues from fracking in oklahoma to abortion rights in El Salvador and I am employable and uh but Israel is still an apartheid state but also yes right I do not look up things like

truffle butter and Jack why did you have to read up no but you know no Miles is correct like you should be very yeah be careful because there's a lot of ph balance right in you know that that cannot be disrupted and there's a there of pH balance that cannot be disrupted. And there's a delicate ecosystem is what I'm saying. You got to respect it. Very reckless, honestly. The going back and forth is the health danger. Yeah.

Got it. Okay. Okay. 10 out of 10 doctors would say do not, no, don't do that. Okay. What is something you think is overrated, Francesca? Urban dictionary. Yeah,

urban dictionary is overrated. I'm embracing how washed I am. I love that. I love that. My career is overrated. Overrated. Chris Hemsworth's body. Uh-huh.

Thank you. Like, why? What does that mean? It's, again, too much, too much thing. thing like it's just he's huge yeah and he was like he he posted the instagram you know of him on the set of thor and he was like

kind of joking that he wasn't flexing and i was like i don't even know what that body would look like not flex like it doesn't i don't even know if you can't not flex when you're that huge. And how do you get, how do you move? How do you take a shower? How do you do anything? I believe in, you know, a healthy work regimen, I mean, workout regimen, you know, you know, get right with your body, get some, whatever, do, you know, do what you need to get some muscles.

But like, that's a little much, a little too much. Forearms are the size of my calves. It's alarming when you look at this photo. You're talking about the one with him and Taika Waititi? Yeah, he looks like Gaston from Beauty and the Beast. Yes! He has straight-up Disney proportions, which is a little...

Okay, cool. Hope that was on that. He's got non-consensual Disney proportions. Right. But that weave. Oh, God. He's got non-consensual Disney proportions. But that weave. Oh, God. It's a combo. I've always thought that like Arnold Schwarzenegger in the 80s, Sylvester Stallone, like those and this Chris Hemsworth build, like it's more for the guys than it is for like dudes

who don't want to admit that they like looking at that. But they're like, man. It's very much for men for sure. Yeah. I, for men to not want to go to the gym ever again. I'm like, people are looking at that and they're like,

Oh man, I got to work out. It's like, what point could you even look like that? You know, you know how much work it would take. Are you fighting Thanos later at the fucking barbecue? Like,

why do you, why are you need to get that size? But hey. Hey, man. I love seeing those videos, too, where people fuck with people with muscles that big because they can't reach certain spots in their back because of their muscle mass. So they'll do this thing where they'll put a Post-it that says some shit and they're like, ah, ah, ah. To be completely defeated by a kick me sign. Right. And you're like, yes, you see, you're not flexible.

You're too massive, my man. And you do prefer the beast's body. That's that's more in the beasts. The beast from Beauty and the Beast. From Beauty and the Beast. You were talking. Oh, not Hank McCoy. Yeah.

Yeah. I was just wondering. You're talking to me. Yeah. Yeah. Beast, when he got he became a human it was like the first time i felt like feelings as a as a or 13 year old i was like oh my god he's really you're like you know no other prince really did it for me but he was just like damn like and his

body gets like carried all limp because he's just like he's all tired and because he's about to die anyway i love the beast i don't know what the yeah i'm post beast body i don't need you know just just a little chisel you don't need to be huge i don't really get what you do with all that muscle mass other than lift other weights like do you just is that your if your life is just lifting heavier and heavier things and that's your job i get i guess i get it but just on a day-to-day level that feels like too much and unnecessary yeah i was always a fan of the ron perlman beast right from the 90s with linda hamilton that that oh my god that poster yeah so much main just like

yeah 80s main yeah it looks like he was like a roadie for poison. Like the way the hair is like sort of, you know, feathered and teased. It's very hair metal. He's always in the front row like, yeah, you guys, you know, are groupie. Oh, yeah. Beast. That's Beast. Beast.

He's really chill. Every hair metal band should have a groupie named Beast for sure. He's really chill. Every hair metal band should have a groupie named Beast for sure. I remember when Tyson came out of prison and had the second act of his career and people were like, he's actually too jacked. He lifted too many weights in prison and it's not good for his boxing career. My brain has gone to that multiple times as a reason like, I don't need to work out. Yeah. You don't want to get too big. I wouldn't. Exactly.

It's a perfect excuse. I don't want to scare anybody. You can't. Kevin Durant can't put on all that weight. It's going to fuck his game up. Exactly. You know, you got to stay long and slim. It would fuck my game up of sitting on the couch. Exactly. It seems uncomfortable. What is something you think is

underrated? Hot and sour soup is underrated. It seems uncomfortable. What is something you think is underrated? Hot and sour soup is underrated. I just got really into remembering how good hot and sour soup was. And then I made finally tried to make some last night, which was really good. It was complicated and all this. But it's always seen as like it's like a appetizer or side or whatever. And or like it's free with the with the lunch menu, the hot and sour soup. But it's so fucking good. I love it so much.

And I like vegetarian hot and sour soup. But oh, just like the bamboo shoots and the tofu. And it's just so good. Little scallion on top just to finish it off. Yeah. Where does the viscosity come from when you make it oh it's definitely corn uh meal cornstarch oh so you kind of make a little slurry type thing for i didn't do it for this one didn't call for it i think it was it was out of like a you know

modern cookbook or whatever but it definitely felt i was like man i need the gooey like where's the yeah but it was the flavor was there. The flavor was very much there. I think I order it whenever it's on a menu. That's just how I roll. Like it's something it's a flavor that if it's available to me, I want to engage in. But there's nothing worse than getting some whack ass hot and sour soup or like it was phoned in. It's not sour enough. I feel like that happens a lot where there's not a vinegar.

Yeah. Because that's what's giving you the sour, correct? Yeah. It's the vinegar and they put lime juice in it also and apparently tamarind, which I couldn't find, but it was still really good. Yeah, or like there's no tofu in it.

It's just kind of slop. And you're like, this is wispies. This is the bottom of the barrel. But yeah, no, everyone, yeah, we should, it's just very good. That's a very random one, but yeah, it's underrated. And you made your own

and it was successful? It was good, but I don't ever check how long recipes are going to take. So we ate it like 11 o'clock. I am the world's slowest cook. You just like triple any recipe time. And yeah. That's very adorable. You should be a sous chef.

My wife is like, oh, you're going to cook tonight? Okay, great. You're all ordering. And it's not because the food's bad. Yeah, yeah. adorable you should be a sous chef my wife is like oh you're gonna cook tonight okay great you're i'll order it and it's not because the food's bad yeah yeah it's just she she knows she's not gonna eat during normal waking hours but that's all right i tend to sometimes overestimate my ability to pull off the recipe and like the time that it says like in the thing it's like yeah it should take about two hours i'm like okay and then i'm to find myself being like all right so dinner's gonna be in about uh 45 minutes and i'm saying that at 9 30 right but yeah it is what i don't read well i'm the person that's like uh it's like if tech support i'll read something and i'm like i got this and

then i'm like i don't got this when i watch a youtube video can't watch the youtube video i'm too bored like i'm impatient so i just skip the part of the recipe that's like, let it simmer for 45 minutes. You know, I just don't like I have the ingredients, but no time. Anywho. Right, right. Yeah. Speeding it up. All right. Let's take a quick break and we will be right back. right back. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you. Come up here and document my project. All you need to do is record everything like you always do. One session, 24 hours. BPM 110, 120. She's terrified. Should we wake her up?

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Kyrsten Sinema was like she skipped town when they were voting on the forming of the January 6th commission. And I was like, I had a family thing to go to. And you're like, oh, OK, what what are we doing now? We're going to let these two people continue the minority rule. This is blocking everything in the Senate. So, again, I just read this headline. This is Biden uses new strategy to convince moderate Dems. And I was like, OK, I wonder what kind of pressure we're talking. What's going on here? This is apparently what he did. Put a statement out that just said this. I think he tweeted this out in the third person, which was, quote, Biden only has a majority

of effectively four votes in the House and a tie in the Senate with two members of the Senate who voted more with my Republican friends. Hold on, Biden. Why are you why are you switching it up to first person then? OK, whatever. I mean, wait, that came from his account. Yes. That's why he said my Republican whatever. Wait, that came from his account? Yes.

That's why he said my Republican friends. Oh, weird. Anyway, Heidi opened PDF. But his whole thing is, you know, the filibuster reform could go a long way, you know, in situations like this when you're not just saying, hey, can you get to two thirds? Can you hit that number or no? Because then we can just let this small group of Republicans just completely stall everything out from voting rights to any anything on Biden's agenda. And so I'm just really curious what he thinks he's going to achieve with this new tactic of essentially just going like, guys, come on, when the stakes couldn't be fucking higher, when everyone's like, you know, if you fuck this up, like chances are you're going to lose everything in the midterms if you don't come with real results, because the people who held their noses and voted for you were expecting at least maybe a modicum of the things that you said you do to come to fruition. And now it's just sort of like, I don't know, man, fucking legal weed in D.C. I don't know if I'm for that anymore, Jack.

And you're like, what the fuck? What are you doing? Right. And so, yes, we're finding ourselves in a very frustrated position where now Kyrsten Sinema is coming out saying the filibuster, quote, protects the democracy of our nation and is meant to create comedy and encourage comedy, encourage and encourage senators from both parties to work together. To those who say that we must

make a choice between the filibuster and x i say this is a false choice first of all this the tool is not to protect democracy right have you read any of the cool fucking buzzfeed or vox any fucking articles it's like what's the filibuster yeah how racist is the filibuster? But I guess, you know, go off, Kirsten. Yeah. I love the idea that the filibuster is fine. It just we need to be better. It's like the idea that like, oh, yeah, like, look, the justice system in this country is fine. All right. Yes, it's designed to marginalize poor people and black people, but just make sure that you're not poor or black. Right. Just like that? Yeah. No, no.

Very simple. You alter your behavior slash skin color and, you know, everything will be hunky dory with no need to reform anything. It's the old guns don't kill people. I kill people. Right. Absolutely. Political philosophy. Absolutely.

No. And the real thing, I mean, the Senate, this is when you realize just how fucked the Senate is. The Senate is the most undemocratic body in this country. It is not representative, of course, and that it can get like undone by this bullshit old rule and held up by two people who do not represent the majority of the country that like you've got Raphael Warnock in there elected you know trying to make good for Georgians and like pass something like HR1 the in the Voting Rights Act or um whatever it is the the For the People Act yeah and meanwhile in his own state they're like passing all these rollbacks to voting rights I mean and this is this is that like bind that is total BS and so i'm happy that biden is at least saying naming he's not naming people by name but he's kind of naming mansion and cinema but it also is a sense of it's from a place of powerlessness when i think he does have more power than that he absolutely does right um whether it's campaigning whether it's in those

states whether it's executive orders i mean come on Just there is an argument to be made to just go forth with something like the For the People Act and then fight it in the courts. Are we going to have courts standing on the side of voter suppression? I don't know. Like, maybe not. Maybe the courts will actually be better than the Senate is at this point. God, you can only it's it's also really difficult to fathom, right? Like when you see all the states enacting all this aggressive voter suppression that they can't even see, like if even if they gave a shit about partisan politics, like you're going to let them play like this, like you're cool with that. Like what what version of reality are you operating when you're just like, yeah, that's

fine if no one can vote. I mean, I don't know. That's fine. If no one can vote. I mean, I don't care. Like, is that is that really what your worldview is? Because that's what it seems like. And then when you see that kind of whatever cynicism or nihilism or whatever these people are going through or just the fact that they don't care because they just want to be the most famous person in Arizona and West Virginia, respectively, that it's just like, oh, what? I could do something or I can just fucking, I don't know, just say what I need to get some more corporate donations and stay in office another six years.

All right, let's talk about where the Trump family and the Trump org are at the moment, aka Cameo. They are on Cameo saying, I'll read whatever you want me to for $500. Only $500. Yeah. I feel like that's a lot of cameos to pay off the millions in legal fees

that they're probably incurring. It's a lot of birthdays. Yeah. That's what he said. He went on Tucker Carlson. Do you remember in Arrested Development when Carl Weathers showed up and there's that fight at the bar and they cut to a a news sequence and Carl Weathers is clearly like a con man type guy. And he's like, yo, I'm like, I'm looking at $50,000 in legal expenses. And he holds up like

an aluminum foil to go swan of food. And it's like, you're just like, this guy is just a con artist. The way Don Jr. went on Tucker Carlsonlson he was like we're looking at millions in legal fees i mean come on tucker it's like we're being prosecuted legally or something yeah so cut to our man on cameo looking all kinds of unhealthy i'll leave it there and i'll filled with everything you could hope for in a greeting from don Jr. It has bad improv, negging, lib slander, taking shots at CNN, ageism. It almost feels like a Stefan sketch because this has everything. And I'm going to play one of them where, try to keep up with wherever this is headed. Peter, this is Donald Trump Jr. I'm told that you're turning older than dirt.

And I'm not that sorry about that because I'm also told that you're a serious lib. Fortunately for you, at least you have a family that has the sense to not be a lib and that they're full of Trump supporters. So that's pretty awesome. I've also heard about some of your fetishes. So you may be as sick as some of the people in the Biden family. That's just me. Who am I to judge? But I hope you have a good birthday regardless.

And I hope your family rides you like Seabiscuit. Have a good one, man. Uh-huh. I mean, he's got that puffy look of like either a body that's been floating face down in a pool of water and is discovered like a week later. Right. Or somebody who's got a three day bloat. He's definitely a three day bloat or a cocaine bender. But, you know, we allegedly who knows if he has that kind of money, if he's out here begging for five or five hundred dollars. It's something else to see.

Again, I, I really hope this is a true indication of their financial desperation and not just like him being like, fuck it, man. Like I, I just need money.

If I can just create some extra play money for my hunting trips, I'll just do it here or whatever. But it's those, the, those pauses, even when he's like, so, um,

your, uh, your families are, uh, it just's there's a there's a just a quality to it that i'm i'm quite enjoying no they absolutely 100 need money he's wearing a trump like hotel shirt that's all that's left is just the boxes and boxes of lime green umo shirts that no one's going to buy. And yeah, I mean, they're probably hauling stuff away on the other side of the camera. I love this. I love the idea that this is happening. Now I want us to pool resources and do a cameo. Obviously, nothing that he said is his own like are his own

words like riding you like sea biscuit that was clearly something they told him to say you could get him to say anything but that was like an incest thing wasn't it he was like you're into weird fetishes and i hope your family rides you like i think they're saying like giving him a hard time oh okay i think it's incest because know, my dad wants to ride Ivanka. Right. Like, see, daughter. Right. Yeah, but it does seem like he'll say anything.

It's good to see that his career is in such a good place. Because think about the other things you could do for $500. Do you know what I mean? I mean, is there a clothing deal, a podcast deal, a book deal? Like what? There's so many other things you could do to get that money. And that's not there. Like this is not really a way to connect to people either. You know, it's not.

But maybe it's also like, oh, I am a celebrity. That's the other way of thinking about it is like, you know, you think you're a celebrity. But like even I was looking into not to be back to Sex and the City, but I was looking at like how much Christopher Noth charges. He's big. Oh, yeah. Mr. Big. $5,000. Yeah.

See, Noth is worth. Noth is worth. Ice Cube, $750. Whoa. You know, some people are swinging for the fences. Carrie Underwood charges $1,000. you know some people are swinging for the fences carrie underwood charges a thousand and for someone who like a family that is so grifty like them i'm surprised they're not going for that level because they're so shameless in you know just bilking their supporters for dollars

that i'm surprised it wasn't like yeah man this shit's like two grand i'm but i guess maybe because the people who already donate to them at that level have already got some form of a cameo for being like, Hey, thanks for being a Patriot and donating all that money. You know, we love it that they don't even, they're not, they're not going to come back for this.

They're in litigation right now, dude. They didn't, they didn't get a photo with him. They got like maybe a cardboard cutout and like a thank you email and then another email. And then yeah, donated five times more than they wanted to.

Cause they didn't uncheck the proper boxes. And so, yeah, I guess a cameo folks don't know about that. Yeah. Again, I'm loving the desperation. I hope that now we slowly begin to see that translate into outcomes and repercussions judicially. So waiting for that shoe. He is also turning into into jerry foulwell jr like they are becoming the same person like don't they don't they look identical now which is a weird like person for him to hold up as like his life goals like a disgraced son of a legendary person he's

like yeah that's right from of a of a disgraced person disgraced of a disgraced yeah disgraced legend that makes sense it does feel like he's also doing his a dad impression yeah he does do his dad with like a hand thing which i'm sure he practices for hours in the mirror every morning he's like i can't get that that just slight forward lean right that my dad nails yeah no his intonation and the just like the his the way he speaks just feels trump more trumpy than usual he's usually kind of like haha i'm just here and i'm gonna you know riff on mr potato head and i've got a few jokes that someone wrote for me and you know and that's like him normally but this felt much more like you're a great guy, blah, blah, blah. Trump will be on Cameo.

Mark my words. Mark my words. It is only a matter of time. It'll be like $7,000, $10,000. Maybe not even, but he'll be there. That's when we know, right? We're like, oh, we're there. We're there.

Everyone's doing it. No, it's bad. Everyone's got to be there. Everyone's got to be there. I mean, yeah, because I mean, look at well, because the other thing that was interesting is this conversation about the money desperation came up in relation to the social media stuff and like how well the blog wasn't doing and whether or not he's actually going to try something that will work. And a lot of the reporting was that he didn't want to lend his name to something that

already existed. But they and like they said, he had been turning down offers like big offers from like these conservative social media platforms that really wanted Trump to be like their marquee signing. And but the sort of reporting sort of ended with like, but that could be changing as their financial situation becomes more strained. And I'm like, oh, fuck, just give me like some numbers here. Like, I would love to see an infograph of what we're talking here, like what fuck just give me like some numbers here like i would love to see an infograph of what we're talking here like what what the bills look like every day who owes money because and then there's the ton of people who are have been in orbit of them who are now in their own legal trouble and they're like yo i need you to like help me too because i'm being investigated for riding with this shit so right or should i flip yeah yeah imagine the boot camp where his dad who hates him where

donald trump jr's dad is trying to like turn him into a viable like political successor to him because that that has been like rumored that like donald trump jr was going to be the second coming but i i can just imagine like donald trump like working with him on his hand gestures to try to make him into like a clone of himself but he hates him so much and also probably like you know is such a narcissist and like hate you know secretly hates himself so it and like, hey, you know, secretly hates himself. So it just seems like the worst toxic environment that I wouldn't wish on my own worst enemies, but I would definitely wish on them. Yeah, it's cocaine face also kind of looks like I've been crying all night. You know, and I don't doubt that the Don Trump Jr. has done that.

And no, it is very much like if he were ever groomed to run for president, Trump would be waiting in the wings. And at the very last moment, he'd be like, no, no, no, no, no. I'm doing this. Comes out and is like, I'm running again. Like that is the level of malevolence and evil and also just like horror. Just, yeah, that's the kind of dad he is. And he will do that.

I don't think he's grooming anybody to be his successor. I am. If this family doesn't fail upwards, because it's hard to know how you can fail even farther up than the presidency, right? Right. But I'm still like, man, if they actually don't or if they are not able to seal another deal that isn't the White House, I will be just floored. I will be it will be like the first time a like wealthy white elitist wasn't able to fail up. it'll be like NBC which by the way should give me another job but like they will be there to catch the Trumps at some point like someone will still be there to catch them

if they can't I think yeah you know I don't envy that position we're like fuck what do we do do we they'll take this shitty deal and we'll make so much money they're fucking desperate like they're gonna look dumb as fuck and the ad it's it's gonna be it's gonna i don't know what to say oh but we

said black lives matter but like oh god oh yeah but you know what being in the black matters too because this is a capitalist corporation baby so you know what the fuck we gonna do it's yeah it's a fucking wild ride for them but yeah i think when we see trump on there it'll be time to have like parties be like oh we're there we're there daddy's out here but to your point of like him being at the last minute tapping himself in would just be hilarious where he's like i'm like paul pierce y'all thought i was done i came out the locker room ready to fuck y'all up here i am oh it's fully his plan is to my version of this is that like he's not grooming ivanka because like she would actually be a valid like a viable

candidate so he's grooming like his fail son who he then will you know torpedo and upstate he's like see you can't do anything right so I have to fucking do it myself should be more like your sister I like how your Trump is Alec Baldwin

doing Trump it's more like just of energy than I think over the years it's just turned into a sad energy and then occasionally just becomes very hip hop. Like definitely someone from Yonkers who grew up with DMX. All right. Let's talk about this new book. the second race and guns in a fairly unequal America that really kind of crystallized the conversation around the Second Amendment for me in a way that I hadn't like fully consciously embraced. Because I feel like the way the mainstream media treats it, it's like the Second Amendment conversation, the gun rights advocate conversation. It's just like treated as a coincidence that those people tend to also be the people who get furious when you suggest something as simple as Black Lives Matter. like fully connected to one another. And this new book by historian Carol Anderson looks at both the history of the Second Amendment, like when it was first formed and why it was first

formed, but also just sort of the present moment. And the big kind of present tense news story that she looks at is Philando Castile, who was following the NRA guidelines for how to inform an officer you are legally carrying a gun, like to the T. There's a handbook where they tell you how to do this in the NRA. He did that and was shot and killed by the cop following the letter of the law, and he was killed for it. And this was the perfect opportunity for an organization that is so horny for conflict and to be like victimized to create a martyr who they could get behind. And they were completely silent. They wanted no part of backing Philando Castile. Meanwhile, you know, in the 90s, the Branch Davidians were raided by federal agents and, you know, members of that cult murdered federal agents. The NRA backed them. You know, the Ruby Ridge, same. Militia movements, same. They back people who murder federal agents when they are white and her argument is that this is not an accident the second amendment from the start was designed to arm white people against potential

slave uprisings and you know when they were writing the amendments, the southern states didn't backing of the federal government to form their own military. And that was like James Madison and all the Virginians and shit. But then, you know, they obviously heavily implied in that is that it's only it only applies to white people. in that is that it only applies to white people. And throughout the history of the country, white armed rebellion has been treated with a slap on the wrist like the Whiskey Rebellion, while black armed rebellion or self-defense has been treated with terror and state-sanctioned murder. Or dropping bombs on a whole neighborhood. Yeah. She didn't talk about this in the interview that I listened to, but the details of the Tulsa race massacre, the entire thing kicked off when black residents of Tulsa showed up at a prison with guns to protect a teenager from a lynch mob. And a shot was fired. Nobody knows by who.

But the very idea of a black person firing a shot stirred the mob to the organized and systematic and genocidal violence that they enacted like the next morning. It's so interesting because like, you know, Jim Crow was established soon after the end of the Civil War. I mean, the idea of segregation and a two-tiered system, you know, the failed reconstruction and all that. Then we have a hundred more years of Jim Crow. And you wonder why, like, our country's so racist. Why didn't they just amend the Second Amendment? Like, you would expect them to either rein in or amend or change the Second Amendment or just eliminate it altogether

because, oh my God, what if black people got weapons, you know? Just to cover their asses. But instead it was like, no, just let everyone fight one another and we're not going to stop white mobs. And everyone can defend themselves except for if you're black i mean this this book sounds amazing and i'm sure she goes into the black panthers and yes of course yeah yeah totally she goes deep into that and how their whole stated purpose was arming themselves so that they could police the police because shockingly, the police state sanctioned murder of black people goes back throughout history to when the police were founded as like slave patrols. And the way that they treated that was by executing their leaders and killing people and arresting people. I mean, there's so many books like this about so many specific things that just like essentially boil down to like some big American idea with an asterisk next to it that says terms and

conditions apply. Right. Just so you know, like if for to some people and yeah, to even look at like, yeah, to your point, Francesca, like you think if they could take it off the table, well, then God damn, black people won't have guns. We don't have to worry about that shit. But there's something about the racism in this country that's so short sighted and just reactionary without like really considering it. And then like down the road, like, oh, yeah, what was that about? Oh, wait, that was race.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Look, it's been so many years now and it's so ingrained in the culture and we're not really interested in, again, parsing through that and understanding the motivations behind having amendments like this or the and Second Amendment rights people and, you know, and it's just it's seen as such a quote unquote cultural, almost religious, almost put in the same category, you know, as someone who's pro-life on religious grounds. And that's obviously a separate bullshit issue. But like this is sort of seen as that is super untouchable because liberals also play into the idea that our founding fathers were good and that they were not racist and yeah maybe they owned slaves but they were good people and everybody owned slaves and that's but they fucked them yeah exactly but they took care of them but it's like no and it's okay we're just we're given speaking of you guys ask about myths on this show all the time and you know the founding myth that like this country is was founded by good people and on good terms it's like no we have to we're told so many myths that uphold that and it feels it does feel scary to unravel and begin to unravel those myths that

we're told you know pocahontas totally consented to being john smith's child brat you know that kind of crap that like but it's okay if we can replace it with like new ideas and we can replace it with like better aspirations you know i mean i think you know obama had words the best words uh he really did and like i think he began to carve out and I wish we could have someone who was actually made good on his promises, you know, to carve out this idea that we're still constructing this American dream. And it is why a lot of civil rights organizers and activists call for what they they say they name a third reconstruction, the second reconstruction being the civil rights movement the first reconstruction being a failed attempt but you know of of equality and we still have to strive for that but and it's okay we can let go of these old myths but not if liberals keep on conflating this shit which is so clearly racist with some kind of religious or foundational untouchable principle of American-ness that we can't actually reform. Yeah. And I think more people have to begin to see that unwillingness as like an absolute red line in terms of not wanting to vote for someone to support someone like that. Because we need

representatives who are going to look with a sober eye at our history, see where we came from, to understand where we need to go. Because if you're already playing with this like obscure, oh, sanitized version, you could never solve a problem. That's like looking at, you have a fucking x-ray and shit. And it's like some crayon drawing.

And you're like, yeah, it looks like that one red spot on the bone should go. And you're like, I wish this were a real x-ray. So you could actually see what you're looking at inside my chest, where it is specifically, what organs it's damaging. Because this other version of me like, yeah, this bad, we should cut it out, isn't going to get to the point and isn't going to

create the sort of forward momentum and progress that we're seeking. And yeah, it is a hard thing. And we do need to keep looking at it to your point of saying like, yeah, we don't have to just talk about how fucked up everything is. You can pivot to that and say, yeah, that was the world as it was. And this is the world as it should be. And these are the people who were moving to try and take our country and our society to the world as it should be. Yeah. And this is what we're still building on. See, we want to build on this momentum rather than like yeah thanks john adams sick bro and then just leaving it there 100 yeah this argument and this kind of connecting of the second amendment to systemic white supremacy just the anger and vitriol and fear tied up in the second amendment argument and guns rights people never fully made sense to me.

It was always I was always picturing when they said, like, they're going to come for our guns and like that. I need my guns to protect my family. They always talk about like the government coming for your guns. And it's like, what are you talking about? Like, that's not even a thing that we have in our history. But I think when you connect it to the white supremacy, the fact that, you know, we've talked before on the show about the fact that they know white supremacy is a lie. Like on some level, they know that they know they live on a graveyard of horrific abuses that prop them up to wherever they exist and that black Americans have every right to demand retribution. And they know that this is this lie that every American has the right to own guns is a massive advantage they have.

And that's why they're obsessed with stories about how crime ridden cities are so that they can justify their fear. justify their fear like when you ask people who watch fox news what they think a city is like it's it's so outside the bounds of reality they are they think it's oz that hbo show yes they do like playing out in a starbucks that's why and that's why they're so outraged anytime anyone criticizes police violence but it's why they are so like there's all that fear, all those lies, all that hatred, like holding the idea of white supremacy in their mind, along with some part of them that has seen that that shit is not true. They're trying to hold those together. And that creates cognitive dissonance. It creates anger. It creates fear. And it just really the the image as I was like kind of listening to her interview with Terry Gross's substitute teacher. I forget that David Davy beyond something. the thing that kept popping into my head is that suburban St. Louis couple who, when black lives matter,

protesters were walking past their home. They stood on their front lawn, holding their guns and like waving them at them, like kind of waving their right to own guns as a privilege in the face of black protesters who would be killed on site for holding guns that openly, like just being like this is our advantage. Fuck you like that. That is her whole argument really kind of ties a lot of things together for me. Yeah, go beyond that.

Yeah, go beyond that. I mean, the entire Trump presidency is an emblem, an homage to white supremacy, to the idea that if you're rich and white enough and a dude, you can get away with anything. marshawn washington many times i would be murdered just how close would i have gotten to breaking a window right on the capitol steps had we been you know absolutely work like protesting a war uh protesting the international monetary fund protesting police murder like or doma or anything it's just so like when we i feel like as a white person watching the january 6th like every white person i don't know i am half white and i so i kind of understand this but like must have been looking at me like man white privilege really is kind of a thing huh like looking right because you know people of color in this country were like white privilege is absolutely look at that right look at that yeah yeah look at the way there's no accountability for that a few months later absolutely and so disheartening to witness

too as a black person that asian person living in this country and saying, see, they can fucking go and do that because they're upset that Trump isn't president. Meanwhile, we're looking at real fucked up outcomes for unarmed people. And, you know, it's like everybody knows I'm like no one's foolish enough to come armed to something like that as a person. The game is just completely different. armed to something like that as a person because the game is just completely different and the sad thing is too like on the on the face of it in history marginalized people have more of a reason to be like no i need these guns man have you seen what they do have you seen what they do to us have you seen what they do to us oh hell no and how are you gonna how are we gonna move forward at all when we're just kind of looking at these small issues we're not that this is a small issue but

we're not really looking at changing real lived outcomes for people and just thinking like, well, maybe if the guns are gone, that could be something. No. How about you give people support? How about you give them options? How about you give them upward mobility? Because I'm sure most people would prefer that than to live in a, you know, in a cycle of fear and violence and anger and would much rather be in a place of abundance on some level or just to have some relief. That's why it's so upsetting thing, you know, instances like Philando Castile, because you're absolutely right that unarmed black people get gunned down all the time. And so what is to why not just be armed?

They get gunned down by vigilantes, self-proclaimed vigilantes. Now I'm blanking on his name, but the gentleman who was killed, the young kid who was killed last year. Trayvon? No, right before George Floyd. Ahmaud Arbery. Ahmaud Arbery, yeah, Ahmaud Arbery.

And former police officers. And then most recently another young, but it's like every time the conversation, if someone had a gun, the internet conversation is, oh, but he had a gun. Right. But he had a gun. Yeah. Oh, his hands were up, but he had a gun. Oh, well, then kill him on sight. That's not allowed. That's not allowed. Depending again, terms and conditions apply. supremacy is this lie and being able to just enforce this lie within sort of the mainstream culture that you know well really only white people are allowed to have guns like and if somebody who isn't white has a gun the police will murder them on site like that yeah that's

unbelievable and like the fact that it's not said out loud, like constantly like that, that is the it's a shocking, like dystopian reality that I just feel like people don't say out loud. Asian-American gun ownership soaring through the roof. Yeah, I do believe in gun control, except for Asian elders. I think we should arm Asian aunties and uncles with AR-15s. That's it. They are the only ones. Police, no guns.

Everyone else, no guns. But Asian aunties and uncles, we arm them. They patrol. Yeah. And they tell you, obviously, how to choose a good watermelon and how to stay out of the sun.

Very disciplined on the trigger. They don't bust their gun for anything. They're like, you know what, I'm going to hit you with it real quick first. Yeah. Oh, no, no. It's not loaded. I will smack you over the head with this, though. It's a big-ass bat.

That's who I believe in arming. I'm like with their little baskets. They can carry them in the little front portion of it. I'm about that. There we go. All right, let's take a quick break, and we'll be right back. I've been thinking about you.

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and just kind of connecting it to the overall movement in the culture far too late and far too little but to be like wait are athletes humans like when laborers when somebody spit on trey young like and dumped popcorn on an injured Russell Westbrook like that that was even treated as a a thing it seems kind of new but the Naomi Osaka being the best and most famous athlete who is like kind of breaking new ground and just being like I need a I need to take care of my mental health yeah well the progression of things is so interesting, right? Cause at first she was like, look, just so you know,

next week when the tournament starts, I'm not going to be able to impress. Um, I suffer from depression and I get very, I have terrible anxiety before press conferences. And I'm, I'm trying to, you know,

be in peak mental shape for a fucking grand slam tennis tournament. Cause that's what I do is I do my shit on the court. I don't talk to fucking somebody from NBC sportsc sports i serve i hit aces okay i hit the backhand and forehand i'm not here to fucking give you a hot take on some other shit and i hate that that's what happens in these press conferences they've meant they take me out of my zone and i'm trying to be very conscious of that and first he was like yo i'll eat the fine i know they're gonna find me because i'm these are mandatory appearances at these press conferences then the tournament came back and said okay but here's the deal like if you don't comply this could lead to suspensions

from future tournaments um and really fuck your career up so she was essentially forced to pick between her mental health and winning the french open and she picked the former she said you know what i'm gonna i'm picking me every fucking time and she talked about how again she was struggling with depression the director of the french open tournament wished her like quote a speedy recovery because she said she's gonna take some time because we all know you know anxiety and depression that's just you just do a little bit of stretching yeah put some ice on it and then you'll get over that shit that's how it works like and this idea that they are so disconnected from the humanity of it i think kicked off many discussions like from what even means from a labor perspective right like the conditions that you're working under do you need

to subject yourself to this if you say my primary function is to play the tennis and that's how y'all make all your sponsorship money it's not because i talk at these press conferences or even just how sports journalism works where you know we're in an age now where you're incentivized to ask like provocative questions to create some controversy and to monetize that because that's just sort of how the game is set up so you know people say oh she's a millionaire just get on with it but come the fuck on you know what i mean like this is she's a human being and anyone who saw that australian open that first grand slam she won against serena williams that was an absolute shit show for her it was disgraceful how she was treated the shit that she went through she was in tears winning her first grand slam because all of the energy went towards some other thing i mean

it's it's a terrible position to be in but i I think, yeah, to hear like the other thing that's a little disheartening is the lack of support from like other tennis players. Yeah, I know. Like the Williams sisters have been pretty clear because that there was that clip that's been going around. I think it was a young Serena being interviewed. And this like when she was like, you know, maybe 13 or 12. And this journalist was like, so you're pretty confident that you can win. She's like, yeah, I think I can beat anyone. And he's like, whoa.

So you're really confident. She's like, yeah. He's like, what makes you so confident? And her dad's like, okay, this shit's over. I told you you're not doing this to my daughter. Like if she says she's fucking confident, let her fucking say that. She's a fucking athlete.

And if that's what she has to do to get in the zone to perform, how dare you fucking try and take her out of it? This was Serena's dad? Sorry. It was one of the, i forget which sister it was specific but it was one of the williams sisters and their father completely interrupted the interview when they began to undermine their confidence as a child yeah and you realize like when you see things like this you people forget it's not just about like oh oh, they play tennis for a living. Okay, to play at that level, it's a whole other existence.

It's very much a mind game. I mean, I'm not that into sport and I don't know that much. But, you know, I generally understand them to be team exercises in large part. Tennis is so in your head. It is 150% in your mind and in your head. So like, if you're gonna need some like space and mental clarity and just like distance and not having to talk to press, it's gonna be in tennis 100%. The second thing, like, she gives me hope, like Naomi Osaka gives me hope for the future because this is that Gen Z energy of like,

no, I'm just kind of not going to take the bullshit. And I'm going to know my own worth. I'm going to know my own mental health. I'm not being clearly driven into the ground by a parent, which I think so many athletes are. And no, you're just not going to own this part of me. And I'm OK with that. The most power move and the fact that a 24 24 year old woman can pull this power move at the French Open is just it's so beautiful. And it really does give me hope for these generations.

And it's also interesting to see because, you know, the backlash from this is sort of to your point is like it's they're addressing that there's an imbalance of power by her doing this right yeah and they don't like that someone could have that kind of agency and like thwart the traditions of this tournament and i think it's a it's it's the same thing like this this remember when they were they were coming at the serena williams cat suit in 2018 the french open you know what i mean they have a real fucked up track record of doing anything that is remotely progressive or open to letting people do what they want for their mental health or letting a woman of color do what she needs to because remember she was wearing but wasn't the cat suit for like her circulation it wasn't like she was like i'm out here to do this stunt fucking fashion show.

She's like, this is actually helping me physically. So what if it was anyway? Yeah, but whatever. I think that's what they were first trying to say. And it was just, you know, it's just a completely, you see the powers that be sort of get this smack in the face. Like, what? They said no to us? But we're but we're

this tournament and yeah again i hope to see more tennis players back her because that's what they need to really start to get if they're going to get these tournaments to bend they need them they need a like a plurality of players to say no no i kind of agree with this um like if i didn't have to do press conferences i wouldn't i mean i understand the nature of doing press and things like that So maybe we can find some happy medium where I'm a little bit more in control and I can engage with it in a way that is absolutely comfortable for me and still takes into consideration my performance. But to say for people to kind of sit silently, it is kind of a bummer because this could, this could be a really pivotal moment to really gain more and more momentum. Yeah. The media has so much power over these athletes because they can start a story about the fucking catsuit or whatever. They can turn that into a controversy that becomes a distraction that affects their ability to play, that affects their the trajectory of their career. And then they're like,

wow, Serena didn't have it this tournament and shit like that. So the way that they are acting in response to the Naomi Osaka decision is by being like, so how do you guys deal with it? Like basically singling her out and then asking the people who didn't drop out,

so why didn't you drop out? You love us, right? Like this is cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Venus Williams' response Tangling her out and then asking the people who didn't drop out. So why didn't you drop out? You love us, right? Like, this is. Yeah. And Venus Williams response revealed the amount of like disdain bordering on hatred that like is the status quo of like that relationship. They were like, so how do you cope with the press? And she said, for me personally, how I cope, how I deal with it, is that I know every single person asking me a question can't play as well as I can and never will.

So no matter what you say or what you write, you'll never light a candle to me. That's how I deal with it. But each person deals with it differently. It's just like, fuck all of you. You are just there to make their lives complicated and difficult and then like to have an ego about it and to like be asking follow-up questions about like what what's her deal is just like guys everyone should watch the maradona documentary on hbo um i lived

in argentina for a while i love maradona and the press utterly fucked him from Italy's press to Argentina's press to everybody and it's just such a good doc but he always had just had the best lines coming back at the media always he would he would say like which means your dick is on the inside which could potentially be problematic for other reasons but you know he was that's like what he would say to their faces you know to the media's faces and like you know his fans have like a whole song about like you know news media they just he hated them and it was so funny and it only makes, obviously, because the way they cover you only makes it worse. And same with politicians.

You know what I mean? It's like, not to say Naomi, I mean, I really do like Naomi Osaka, but she's the same as Bernie Sanders. This is one or the other. But like, Bernie is like the most zero glad handy guy. He's not going to like give you the fluff piece, the palace intrigue, the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you the fluff piece the palace intrigue the blah blah blah blah blah you know and the media hates him also he wants to you know break up giant corporations and take

away all of their donors but and their funders which might have had something to do with it too but it's just so funny when you see people who don't play the media game they play their game and they do it very very very well just how um yeah how fragile and how quickly that they can turn on you and i hope this is a turning point and so they don't destroy a young woman's career and life like they have so many athletes and so many people in the public eye yeah i think just whenever even like celebrities who don't play into the tabloid shit they love to fucking then be like now fuck it we'll do whatever the fuck we want now yeah person if they don't want to fucking pose and they want to keep their life fucking private right then we'll fucking do whatever the fuck we can to create pain and it will invent something

yeah it's a really odd relationship and even with that um venus williams quote you know you don't arrive there because you were there like that day one. Oh, yeah. You've been through so much shit already. Of course. And you've already had, especially when she came out before Serena and then Serena became like the it player and everyone's like, what happened to Venus? You know what I mean? Can you imagine the fucking, like having to read all these stories like, is Venus Williams even relevant or whatever?

Yes, she is. Yeah. And that you have to. She's just number two, like when you're just pitting her against her sister, like, yeah. And like develop having to develop this skin already from,

you know, having to already operate in an environment where they're trying to create all these wild narratives to get to, whether it's to fuck with you or just because it's easier to just create commentary around it. And I think, yeah, it's,

I I'm curious to see if there's any kind of evolution in like sports journalism especially like as it just pertains to this to see if there is a way where they can feel like okay we can we we can find a way to work with this i don't know if they can but considering the you know sympathy that we've seen on display from the organizers of the french open uh i don't know but yeah yeah, worth looking into. I just like, this is no disrespect to any player we've discussed yet. But again, as someone who doesn't follow that much sports, but when

I hear interviews with athletes, I'm always like, this is boring and bad. And like, how was it, you know, to win? Oh, I felt good. You know, I was like, really good. Yeah. How was it to lose? You know i felt good you know i was like really good yeah how is it to lose you know we tried our best out there anyway leave me alone like what are you getting these are not this is not what they do by the smartest thing they can do

is give the most boring answers possible which makes them look like an idiot which again is like it's a no-win situation for athletes, it's a no win situation for athletes. Like it's like, no, they very well could be very interesting, intelligent people who have something interesting to say that shit will come out in their book 20 years after they retire, because they're not going to fucking give you what you want.

Like, no, and you, but you can't be too interesting. Just give them a little something, but not too interesting. Cause you have, if you have big opinions, they're they're gonna they will clobber

you for that you have a little bit to say if you have any shade to throw if you have any critique don't have a critique never have a critique which is so funny because then sports reporters and analysts that's all they do is critique yeah let them do it right that's what they do yeah right yeah i mean it's the same thing like marshawn lynch was just kind of like he had to adopt a mindset he's like yo i'll come here and i'll fulfill the thing but he was very unequivocal and being like when i when i leave here i don't go into looking at a twitter or the the news to see what y'all are saying about me i go and i live my life at home with the people that know me, that know who I am.

And I don't really have to explain shit to them because they know me. And I don't know what you guys want me to say, but I'm not going to say it. I'm just going to be here to whatever, give whatever answer I want to give. But that's my prerogative. I showed you what I wanted to say was what I showed you out there on the field or the i don't know they were talking about the field right yeah yeah yeah get me know the tense field yeah all right francesca it's been such a pleasure having you as always um where can people find you and follow you oh hey uh watch or listen to the habituation room podcast we stream live every sund, 5-8 Eastern. We're having one of the Daily Zeitgeist producers, Ana Hosnaya,

on this Sunday. And yeah, follow me at FrannyFio on Twitter and Instagram. And is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying? I really love this was by Jake Flores, comedian who,

in terms of the Ellie Kemper stuff, he writes, I have decided to address the recent revelation that I was in a neo-fascist quinceanera. Hey, we've all been there. It happens. Oh, shit. Miles, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Find me Twitter, Instagram at Miles A Gray. oh shit miles where can people find you what's a tweet you've been enjoying find me uh twitter instagram at miles of gray also check out the other podcast 420 day fiance but check that out

twitch.tv slash 420 day fiance um let's see a couple tweets i like oh oh there was one jack i know you liked it too but since i get to say my like first, I'm going to say it. Bullshit. This is from at Jay Zucks, Trash Jones tweeting. She'll text you back, man. She's just screenshotting your message and sending it to her friend with the caption, yikes. Don't worry. And then another one is from Ellie Creamendall. Am I saying that right or is it Crimeendall? Do we know?

I think it needs to be Creamendall. We'll say Creamendall. Ellie Creamendall at Ellie Creamendall. Am I saying that right? Or is it Crimendall? Do we know? I think we'll say Creamendall. Ellie Creamendall tweets, if God hates queers, how come we don't have to pretend to come? And that's a very valid question. And last one, at Curtis underscore Cook says, because all these Spotify posts have been coming out like where they're like, oh, this is your moment. Curtis Cook says, Spotify is begging y'all to go to therapy and that was a very interesting uh thing to to read good analysis you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien a couple tweets i've been enjoying tiff at it's me your mom tweeted pinterest girls be like i'm getting married in a barn but the barn is made of reclaimed barn wood from a different barn. The Cancel of Lansbury tweeted,

all people in media do is announce they're leaving jobs at websites. So sad. That's too real. And Whitmer Thomas tweeted, why is every person in a small town wearing a knee brace oh and finally at Sarah Haji tweeted cut my sweats into pieces

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to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy uh miles what is today's recommendation oh man i was just because that spotify thing was telling you like your like this is your vibes and it was all over the place it was like schoolboy q fote and the gap band were like some of my artists i was just saying you know what let's let's let people know if you don't look for all the young people out there you got to get into the gap band okay if you like uncle charlie you know what i mean you gotta fuck with the gap band you might probably know like you dropped a bomb on me and shit like that but obviously their big hit outstanding it's a song that you probably have heard but you really need to play and it's a wonderful thing to have playing through the

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