The Daily Zeitgeist - The Real AI Singularity Already Happened, Hallmark Not MAGA Enough? 11.21.22

Episode Date: November 21, 2022

In episode 1377, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian, Steven Wilber, to discuss… Oh no!!! Same SEX AND INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE?! Hallmark-style Christmas Movies... But MAGA, FTX Collapse, Effective Altruism And How Money Controls The Truth In America and more! Hallmark-style Christmas Movies... But MAGA Candace Cameron Bure faces backlash after announcing ‘traditional marriage’ project GLAAD and ‘Full House’ Star Jodie Sweetin Condemn Candace Cameron Bure Over LGBTQ Exclusion The Gays Have Been Banned From Christmas (Movies) Candace Cameron Bure Opens Up About Fight With Raven Over Anti-Gay Controversy Commentary: A new TV network wants to make Christmas great again. Why its message is a harmful one FTX Collapse, Effective Altruism And How Money Controls The Truth In America A New Cable Channel Wants to Make Christmas Movies ‘Safe’ Again LISTEN: Numbers - Interlude No.1 by Smoke CitySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He tried to save everybody. Listen to Spiraled on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 264, episode 1 of Dirt Daily Nightgaze! your podcasts. The mainstream media has lost their powers of assassination. They couldn't quite get Fetterman taken down. More like the lame Dean media. Yeah, lame Dean media. It's funny because Howard Dean was the first outsider candidate. Then he just went on to be the head of the DNC. He was the most mainstream of Democrats.

Anyways, hey Miles. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. He was like the most The most mainstream of Democrats Anyways Hey Miles This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness Is it now? That's fun right? Yeah I like that idea It is Monday November 21st 2022 First day of Black Friday week Happy first

Happy first night of Black Friday To you The only holiday we celebrate around here yeah it's also World Television Day World Television Day? Yeah nothing went wrong there World Hello Day, National Gingerbread Cookie Day, National

Stuffing Day, I can get behind that and National Red Mitten Day for Canadian Olympic Pride. I guess. Okay. Is that really what it is? Yeah, apparently. It's probably like some marketing thing because

how is this? I mean, look, no shade of Canada. I mean, fantastic people, fantastic winter music. Wasn't it National Hello Day very recently or International Hello Day? There's so many fucking different ones. It's probably like National Hello Day. National Say Hello Hello Day. It's probably like there's so many fucking different ones. It's probably like National Hello Day. National Say Hello Day.

You know what I mean? Like, right. There's so many permutations of the same concept, which is just fucking engaged with other human beings on planet Earth. What if that was like a really vitriolic take against the use of the word high? They're like, no, fuck high. It's got to be the full word. I don't get high. I hello that's right my name is jack o'brien aka white thighs soggy fries lasix fix miles's eyes overrated underrated guesser chister re-estated twizzlers red vine sweet tarts ever maynard hates farts

liz truss is a quitter free jackie East, Neil on Twitter. Kanye West is insane. Christy Yamaguchi, Maine. Subway tuna might have turtles. R-H-C-P-K. How am I get to Lambo? Think that you're a tough guy. Ever asked yourself why? Here on the daily zeitgeist things are pretty great but it's second rate and rate and rate that's curzio right to post and he gave it to me on twitter that old that old format still holding strong might no longer exist as part of me suspects the whole thing of like Twitter's gone tomorrow is a little overblown but maybe not it seems like everyone doesn't work there anymore well remember when you get the

whale screen back in the day it's gonna be a lot of that to start off you know I don't think you're gonna go and like suddenly it's like oh your phone does not support this app no and who knows if he's trying to shield himself from bankruptcy whatever it's it's a whole fucking mess out there it's a whole fucking mess out there and i'm thrilled to be joined in here by my co-host mr miles gray it's miles gray aka

eat the banana from the bottom turtle subway tuna has him. Can't ride a dirigible for free. How are you? Get to a Lamborghini. White queen that now a skin bag is king. In and out French fries, no for limping. Go ask that punk if he's a tough guy. I'll bet anger management made him cry. Okay, shout out to Fighter of the Nightman.

On the Twitter. No, that's a Discord for the RHCPK. That's two Fighter of the Nightman RHCPKs. I see more in the line, but thank you for that one. Get ready. Get ready, motherfuckers. People, I can't stop just seems to have the easiest... Can't stop! Yeah, the cadence works.

People are like, yep, I can work with that. It's not too offbeat or anything like that. So, yeah, we found something. And you got the voice down. Well, Miles, we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a very funny writer, graphic designer, illustrator. One of the funniest stand-ups doing it. His album, 16 Bits, is available wherever fine comedy albums can be streamed.

And we don't usually do content warnings, but I got a warning of this guy's it's a little twisted his brain is pretty i don't know it's not like it's not your grandpa's brain this guy's a little i don't know if you've ever heard of the joker this guy's this guy's been jokerfied please welcome the brilliant the the talented Steven Wilber! Nice try. Nice try, guys. And see what you're trying to do. Pump me up with that whole joker stuff. Want to see how I got these emotional scars? Want me to do something fun like that? Nice try. Nice try, assholes.

It's been not too long since I've been on this show, and I wonder why that is. Yeah, you've been interrogating us ever since you got on, asking, like, who dropped? Why am I back? Can it just be that we really like you? We want the mayor of Roku City here. I wish it was that simple

i wish i could come in here and talk about roku city the roku city of our city of our city i wish i could i wish i could do system of down parodies but no the fact is the last time i was on here we had a fun little riff sesh about that time aaron beat Shaquille O'Neal at a game of basketball. And then just a few days later, who passed away? Spoiler, it wasn't Shaq. And I don't want to be a part of your little like sick audio version of death note where i come on and use my powers to eliminate people on your poop list so i'm just gonna i'm just gonna i know i've talked a lot already but i'm just gonna shut up anything about anyone i'm not gonna talk about

anything i'm not away if i talk about anything, it's only going to be about dead people. Come on, dude. Let us know your search history. Dead people, overrated, Elvis, underrated, Aaliyah. Like, that's what I'm going to do. Okay. Only dead people on today's episode. Talk about JFK Jr.

Evoke JFK Jr. So all the people that went to Dealey Plaza again off the strength of the QAnon rovers are going to be like, he's back. What if we have the reverse power? Yeah. Let's try to bring people back this episode. Oh, let's do a fun riff about junior.

Yeah. I've already spilled my blood in accordance with the blood decrees that we signed. So you spit your blood. I got to say, man, that you, you brought up the shack, Nick Carter thing to end to the point that i

didn't even aaron card what is yeah aaron card in my back to the point that i didn't even know his fucking name just then just now but also i didn't i didn't know about that song so i had to go watch the video so okay i don't know if this. I don't know if this is some attempt to lay the groundwork for your defense. Did iHeartRadio tell you in a memo to gaslight me today? That was the old gaslight special for Wilbur. That is how they start off every day. Let's illuminate the cobblestone streets with this gaslight. Give him the gaslight special all through the night.

Great to have you back. Yeah, great to have you back, man. All right. Well, Stephen, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things that we're talking about today. We're going to talk about the right-wing response to the Senate moving to defend gay marriage and interracial marriage. And they are like, what the fuck? They're like big mad in a way that suggests they think everybody's with them on this one. Even Ben Shapiro.

We're going to get to, it's the rare treat where we get to hear from Ben Shapiro. So we'll check in with him. Rare treat. We're going to check in with the effective altruism movement, which is starting to get a lot of attention after the collapse of FTX. Effective altruism is this philosophical, utilitarian system of ideas that like really started from a good place it was all about like how do we do the most good and it started with effectively using analysis yeah yeah yeah and then it got infected by capitalism and so i just want to talk about that

talk about how ftx's collapse is being covered first of all and then just talk about the all corrupting uh influence of of capitalism and then we're going to talk about some hallmark christmas movies yes there's there's been a schism no what do you mean tools making a hallmark video oh no candace cameron burr oh you don't have to mention her but i'm going to yeah she she made headlines for like saying nah hallmark is too woke for me so we're going to talk about that uh plenty more but first so powerful steven we do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history?

Cornflower smell. Cornflower smell. What's like this scent of a cornflower? I just wanted to know if it had one. What is that? Like it grows from corn? Or are you talking about the flour,

the like cooking flour made from corn? I'm talking... Are you talking about the bachelor's... F-L-O-U-R or F-L-O-W-E-R? Or are we talking about Centaurea cyanis? I'm talking about the perfume made by Jonathan Davis. No, I'm talking about the perfume made by Jonathan Davis. No, I'm talking about the... So, dude, what would Jonathan Davis' corn-inspired fucking cologne smell like?

I don't know, but I'd call it Recon-A-Leash in my life. There you go. There we go. No, the flower. I don't know why it's called. Oh, it was a weed in cornfields, I guess. Got it, got it, got it. Thanks, Wikipedia. Are you like walking past them pretty frequently and you'd never had the courage to smell it?

So you're like, let me try the internet first before I stick my nose in another flower that's going to make me sneeze. stick my nose in another flower that's going to make me sneeze i think just as a creative type when i think of a flower like cornflower something about it it's got a very cellar door quality to me like i love just cornflower as a as a word so i just kind of wanted to know if i were to drop that in something saying that it had a smell am i right am i right and i saw that there were some cornflower like perfume things so i assume it must have some sort of unless the cornflower served as some sort of binding agent for the perfume yeah i could see that being in a novel, like a art novel, like the color of the sky painted the color of cornflower or some shit like that. You know, the cornflower murders a Jack Gray mystery. There you go.

Written by Stephen Wilber, foreword by Nora Roberts. Right. The end of the end of cornflower road. This sounds it sounds like another one to a memoir. There's a newsflash. Monsanto is just taking out all cornflowers. Holy shit.

That's crazy. Lined up like that. Hmm. All right. I flew too close to this. I flew way too close. Look what you did. look what you did with your powers again this is like the time i was on rogan and talked about bees that i feel like that could be a like a shitty stephen king short story is like person

who goes on podcasts because he just had that one where it's like magic cell phone that kills people when you leave a voicemail for dead guy. So I guess and die. Right. R.L. Stein. Right. Yeah.

Death curse. Death cast. Retweet and die. Deathcast for cutie, yeah. What is something you think is overrated? Let's be honest. Twitter. Oh, go on.

Wow. Hit them with it, Steven. What's going on over there? Oh, you want to hear some real tea? Yeah. Between you, me, and the wall. It's not looking so great over there. Oh, you want to hear some real tea? Yeah. Between you, me, and the wall? It's not looking so great over there.

Watch, by the time this comes out, you might have actually killed fucking Twitter. I know. You're really flying close to the sun right now, man. Y'all, if this comes out Monday and you're getting the whale shit on your browser or phone, Steven, is there like

a po box that can send you veiled threats uh no just a tweet okay okay there you go yeah are you are you looking at the like how are you experiencing the end of twitter or like the twitter freakouts that are happening on the platform you just like watching are you do you feel compelled to say things because when i look at twitter it reminds me of like having senioritis in high school where i'm like yeah man a lot of these people are getting like sappy about this shit i'm ready to go you know right and i'm high every day in class and that because i don't give a fuck if the teachers catch me this time but i do feel like it is sad though because, because I'm like, well, I don't want it to go away. But also, I don't have the energy to express any of it. Like my Twitter feed is, most times something happens.

It is all just comedians doing their jokes about it. And anything I could possibly think of to say funny, somebody on the East Coast. Yeah, I said it four hours four hours ago yeah yeah i'm like oh that would have been good that's me just scrolling down like oh that's funny yeah i mean one thought i had was that's not funny one thought i had is like if it's really going down just change my avatar and just go mask off aol chat room troll like on ignorant people like when i used to have that kind of energy but i was like i don't i don't need to dabble in that but i just see so i'm an old man i'm an old man now i've learned you know it's not it's not worth it mega what what would you do with your i don't even know

man i i don't know like i look at my drafts and shit i'm like wow wow times i've withheld like fucking atomic blasts on on threads and shit but it's like again i think it's mostly to do with the fact that but the the dangerous part for me was getting too caught up in like it being uh purely like for my ego expression on twitter and i was like yeah i like lurking i'll do that healthier for me very lurking yeah. Yeah, berry lurking. What, Steven, is something you think is underrated? Honestly? Between you and me on Twitter. No.

Vodka. Mm. Uh-huh. A lot of people rag on vodka. And I think we should appreciate it a little more. It's like the blank canvas for a lot of great drinks. Like it's like Turkey, Turkey,

you can season Turkey with everything. It's like delicious. And like so many, it's like Turkey or chicken. Yeah. You just like, you put anything on it. And it's like,

do you cook a lot of Turkey? Do I eat a lot of Turkey? Yeah. I'm a sleepy boy. Do I eat a lot of turkey? Do I eat a lot of turkey? Yeah, I'm a sleepy boy. I'm a sleepy little baby boy.

A lot of people buy expensive tequila, so it will taste like vodka. Like, oh, it's so good. Oh, it's so good. It tastes like drinking nothing. That's most vodka, guys. Are you a big drink connoisseur? You like cocktails and things like that? Oh, God, no. Just pulled that one out of thin air. I love a Moscow mule.

I'll tell you that. I mean, who didn't 12 years ago? Rude. Wow. I'm a guest. I mean, who didn't 12 years ago? Rude. Wow. I'm a guest. I'm a guest. I can kill people with my voice. Okay, never mind. Never mind. Never mind.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Moscow mules. Real good. Real good. Oh, God. I just killed vodka. You just killed vodka. Vodka, Twitter, Moscow mules, those copper mugs.

They vanished. Go look in your cabinets. They're gone, folks. They're gone. Were you sent by the CIA to destabilize Russia, do you think? Is that what this is all coming to? I wasn't really sent anywhere. This is all just over Zoom.

I got an email and they were like, hey, walk over. Walk over to the computer, rag on Russia a little bit. You don't even need to put on pants cool and then we'll send you an amazon gift card yeah i think the idea of stranger things is just always about like 11 would actually grow into what steven what we're saying steven is is a person who goes on podcasts and can kill people and kill like that's the whole that's what the whole lead up to stranger things is is really about. Preventing Eleven from being able to go on podcasts and get those takes off that kill people.

I'm actually, I'm 12. Oh, okay. It's cute because it says, it's a Stephen number. Alright, let's go on, get on to the news. Yeah, yeah, that's good stuff. Get on to the news. Yeah, yeah. No, that's good stuff.

Look, you're the guest. What's that Alex Jones? No, no, we're going to sit with that. Whatever. Yeah, 12. Sure you don't want to tweet that, man? Yeah, you got to get it it in get it in under the wire ah somebody already did

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And we're back! And so is same-sex marriage, even interracial marriage, is back in the spotlight. Like it never left. Oh, I thought it's back. It's back again. Yeah, and we're sick of it

over here that's how i express that like i'm having marital troubles is i'm like uh interracial marriage guys not great i'm the poster boy that they hire i'm like i'm telling you guys you don't want to do it yeah my life is terrible because my parents are so reckless not sticking with their own that's right but yeah the uh ever since the senate moved the respect for marriage act to a vote uh like it's just been full freak outs on the right i feel like the last 10 days or so has been just a lot of like republicans and like people in the mainstream were like, wait, the status quo as we saw it isn't what what's happening here? They're like utterly confused. The first guy, Brian Brown, who's like the head of this hate group, the National Organization for Marriage, is so angry about what happened.

He wrote this email to like all of the people who are, you know, supporters of this hate curve. He said, quote, sadly and tragically, the United States Senate with the collusion of 12 turncoat Republican senators who betrayed their party platform and the votes of 50 million Americans who enacted state constitutional amendments defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman have voted to impose same-sex, quote-unquote, marriage on the nation. This is a very disappointing— You can use a couple em dashes, but that's a run-on sentence, my friend. Yeah, well, look, when you're— Come on.

When you're that mad, I guess, yeah. Yeah, grammar goes out the window when you're so filled with hate now this isn't the brian brown australian actor who played tom cruz's sensei and cocktail right no i don't think it's the same it's not it's not the guy from fx fx2 no no no i thought that was michael cain in both of those cases yeah he does look like he does kind of look like straight a crackle michael cain he's like yeah he's the kind of guy who ends up on nathan for you saying he's a michael cain impersonator and you're like yeah and this guy's kind of weird he was an aussie but it's all good that is steven like for somebody who came on and said you're not gonna get me to talk about people

who might die wow taking shot brian brown is alive if i talk about older people yeah it's like that wasn't me okay okay uh well we'll see bucks like aaron carter it's like oh yeah that's right plausible deniability great power comes great responsibility this letter goes on to say this is a very disappointing development it feels like a punch in the gut from people who regularly portray themselves as conservatives and people of faith yet who have voted with the radical homosexual lobby and the most extreme elements of the democrat party be assured that we intend to hold them accountable at the end he's like we need donations too man and there's like a thing like at the bottom says

donate crypto too really but it's it says you can donate in crypto yeah the sign off it's like donate this donate that and he says donate crypto here it's like wow like a scam on top of a scam hey if you're embarrassed to have the paper trail right yeah is that the is that i i haven't donated crypto in a long time like is that who's still mainly advertising the crypto is like people being people who are like yeah you'll probably be ashamed by this so i i don't even know what what the point of that is i think it's just sort of like they're they're going all out also think because a lot of the thinking is look usually when this many people like you know get it to a vote it means they got the votes to pass it for the final vote unless we can get to enough

people in the house of representatives please give me a hundred thousand dollars uh because you hate people getting married to who they love anyway then one of the like televangelist, former spiritual advisor to Donald Trump has just been like, I think just seeing everything wither away from like the abortion smackdown to the then like the Senate pushing through the Respect for Marriage Act, going just guns blazing against Donald Trump. Just saying if just everything, like I think this person's had enough and said,

quote, if Mr. Trump can't stop his little petty issues, how does he expect people to stop major issues? And goes on to just talk about how he acts like an elementary school child. And, you know, his focus on like these smaller issues completely betrayed like the momentum that the evangelical movement had, et cetera, et i think it yeah they're having a little bit of a hard time and his it sort of boils down to he's just feeling like if he wasn't such a piece of

shit they would have been able to do more harm to non-cis het christians yeah what does it take to call yourself an advisor for a president? You like a meeting, a single meeting. Yeah. That's why I like, there's so many people who are. Yeah. Yeah.

Like put that on there. Put that on their CV. It's like, what did you do next to them? Yeah. Is there a red phone on his desk? Or I feel like it's like that lie i would hear like gen x or boomers say like in the early 2000s or they're like i used to be a roadie for this band

back in the day and they'd like tell you some lie and you're like how do we like i can't even verify that and something like that guy's not a was never a fucking roadie for the or like brands who are brands who are the official yarn of NASCAR. Well, they get to do that because they get exclusivity as a sponsor and then they can't say, yes, we are the only yarn who bothered to be like, we know our customers. Yarn gang loves NASCAR vroom vroom. They love Earnhardt's cars. of erinhardt scars it's just it again the the confused it's like a lot of confusion around what you hear these conservatives say like when it comes to what happened with people actually you know voting for increased body autonomy or the idea that like republicans were also willing to

say yeah man you can get married to whoever the fuck you want it's just like the wheels are spinning in this way that they just cannot get over the idea that it's always been a losing strategy, that we've only been able to stay relevant through all the disingenuous map fucking and things like that. So I just want to hear from Ben Shapiro. I do.

And so do you. I do too. We got him on the line. Got him on the line. Ben Shapiro's argument he's like completely incensed by this and he's saying like I I don't know he's just trying to say it makes sense that only a man and a woman a cis man and a cis woman get married to each other because fucking aliens can even see that or I don't hear is that is this a new one because i

feel like i've heard his arguments on this subject before it's he's he's pretty in uh pretty ideologically ignorant uh and consistent with that ignorance so yeah you probably have this is him just screaming at matt walsh who's just like yeah this recent matt Walsh looks like he's wearing a fake beard. Yeah. He does. So, it's not the Matt Walsh. Not from UCB. It's not the Matt Walsh from UCB. Although it could end up being because this person is clearly wearing a disguise.

Okay, here we go. I'm highly annoyed by the constant derogation of non-religious arguments into religious arguments. and this is what the left loves to do they like to say you're pro-life the reason you're pro-life is because of your crazy religion and so yeah right that's because you you you say it yourselves when you say why and go because the bible what huh okay but or i i also like to you know appeal to white supremacy

as well the other thing that you seem to be. Would you rather that, Ben? Is that because that I do feel like the the thing you're railing against is actually the polite thing that the polite mainstream media says is like, well, it's just their religious beliefs. That's like them taking you at your word. Yeah, yeah. Being nice about it. Yeah. Maybe we can respect your crazy religion along. That is not the argument for marriage the argument for marriage has literally nothing

to do with religion you could be an a visitor from from mars and you could see that all of human procreation relies on man woman child this is not particularly difficult stuff by essentially boxing in the argument in favor of traditional marriage into well if you're a crazy religious believer maybe we'll let you have that but you know if you're marriage into, well, if you're a crazy religious believer, maybe we'll let you have that. But, you know, if you're baking it, if you're a cake baker, then we're not sure about that. Right. I mean, like, we're not sure how far this this religious liberty thing extends. What you're really doing is you're setting the ground game at same sex marriage and traditional marriage are completely the same thing. And if you object to it, the only reason that we even allow you to do that is because of this crazy thing called religion. Anyway, good gish out there. but yeah but that's a loser you have to believe they are completely the same thing in order to argue

against ben shapiro yeah they are completely the same thing yeah oh did you see matt walsh freaking out because uh the men's the u.s men's national team for the world cup are like including a rain like a rainbow spectrum on the like the crest of the men's team because Cutter is so like just violently homophobic. He like couldn't believe that they would do that. It's like, just shut up. Like,

welcome to 2022. The midterms didn't quite have me over the edge, but now I think we can officially say we've won with the, with the rainbows on the, on the world cup. I think we, we can just stop paying attention to this stuff. Disaster of a World Cup that's about to happen.

Call it a dub. It's a W. You guys lost. Yeah. I saw that Target had dog toys that said, Yas, Queen, like two years ago. And I was like, oh, I can tune out. That was the tip of the spear, Stephen.

That was the tip of the spear. But it's been a systematic movement to get to this point I can tune out. That was the tip of the spear, Steven. That was the tip of the spear, but we're, it's been a systematic movement to get to this point where the rainbows are on the uniforms. Yeah. I just, it, it, we're,

it's like this whole week has just been people in like their insulated echo chambers, like actually being confronted with what, like, like a majority is look like. And they're like, what the fuck? Like, whether that's like Elon musk not knowing how any of this shit works or these people like the fuck is but i thought i thought y'all wanted the blue check i thought the thing

was you saw the blue check as being like a college degree and if i democratize that then you it would all be great and they're like no you're just all the people that you that are like your suck-ups just hate people like really just hate the journalists that have blue check marks like rather than the like practice of having verified accounts you haven't heard from a person giving you objective facts in the past i don't know 15 years or since your dad said he didn't love you or something right yeah that was the last objective truth that he heard because you're a bad kid man like yeah because you're gross you're just like a bad gross person you're bad yeah you are bad that but that thing that

tells you that at the core of your soul it makes you be this way is actually correct but that's the one kind of locus of truth that you have inside your whole being. But the other thing that he got big wrong this week was, or last week, was when he was like, ultimatum, put up or shut up. If you're not on board with me, then you're out. My way or the highway by tomorrow. And then as it was coming,

and nobody had signed on with this thing he was like i mean my bad my bad uh actually everybody just resigned yeah and now he's like uh come by twitter to like tell me about code you wrote like it'd be great if you could fly in obviously if you can't you can zoom i don't i don't know if i'm gonna cover those costs but get your ass in here i don't know if I'm going to cover those costs, but get your ass in here. I don't know if I'm going to cover those costs. Okay. Of course not. Cool. Yeah, it's big bad.

Well, on the subject of just, you know, complete and total victory in the world of culture. Yeah. You know, and our long-term strategy to just make it so nobody can be a Christian ever again. And that Christmas is a word that you can't even say punishable by death. Candace Cameron Burr made headlines all over the world for being an asshole. Oh, okay. So this, I hadn't really thought about her for a long time because my therapist told me to stop doing that. They were like, you got to stop, that they were like you gotta stop man your

therapist jody sweeten yeah i didn't so she's kirk cameron's sister is that what that like made sense of the story you didn't know that no i just had forgotten it like i remembered it back then but like as this came up and i was like wait wait, oh, right. She's part of that whole thing. So they're the straight to crackle Jason and Justine Bateman. Yeah. So she used to star in lots of Hallmark Channel holiday movies, but left to star in movies for the newer conservative Christian network, Great American Family.

And she brought two of her full house stars with her, including Aunt Becky herself, Lori Loughlin. And so this is a big deal. You know, she's a soldier in the culture war. She's ready to put her life and career on the line

by taking a huge payday. Thank you for your service. Thank you for your service, ma'am. But Great American Family describes itself as a channel celebrating faith, family, and country a huge payday thank you for your service thank you for your service ma'am but great american family describes itself as a channel celebrating faith family and country and is owned by a company started by bill abbott who was the guy who was running hallmark when they refused to run an ad on their network that had a same-sex marriage in it so oh okay yeah yeah oh this is probably the era when you couldn't have magic in hallmark films that probably lines up with this guy's philosophy okay yeah so hallmark

have made efforts to diversify their christmas movies with several movies featuring gay couples in recent years and candace cameron's comments were condemned by everyone from GLAAD to Stephanie Tanner herself, Jodi Sweetin. My therapist, Stephanie Tanner. Good for her, honestly. I assumed she was one of the ones that they had brought over, but it seems like

she's come around. She did not say how rude, because that wasn't her line, right? Not even when the cops were down. That that wasn't her line right not even when the car that was 100 her life that was how rude okay oh yeah i thought i picture one of the olsen twins saying no that's you got it she said you got it dude you got it dude or you got it you're a big trouble mister yeah yeah it takes two right stop. Don't talk about the Olsen twins.

I went to school with them. Yeah, you did, right? I went to a dance with one of them one year. Wow. We got to live with them. It's fine. That was a huge deal. When I was in college, and I guess you were in high school, I visited my friends in LA,

and they were going to a party that one of the Olsen twins were at. And it was like a big deal to everyone. They're like, oh, my God, the Olsen twins. So you must have been Mr. King shit, man. Going to a dance with one of the Olsen twins. I don't know. I think I was just like a cool boy of color at the school. And, you know, just made them look cool. I don't know.

You know, that's my own self-worth. I'm working through a therapy. Why did they hang out with me? I don't know you know that's my own self-worth I'm working Doing therapy why did Why did they hang out with me I don't know I don't know I think about a party A party with the Ulsa twins in my head I'm like Oh the Met Gala That would be pretty

Cool or it's like when it's Like a party like you've never fucking Experienced and you don't know if it's like Fun or totally weird and boring When you go Ice White Shed was a documentary experience and you don't know if it's like fun or totally weird and boring when you're like oh eyes wide shut was a documentary it's like everyone's wearing newspaper masks and humming this one melody like huh but yeah so she issued a non-apology blaming the press and painting herself as the victim of a toxic media system which falsely sought to sow division by reprinting the thing she said.

Did I read her quote? Let me make sure I have it. Okay, so she came under fire because in an interview in the Wall Street Journal, she said that Gaff's Christmas content would only feature traditional marriage. The traditional family of course being three kids one dad his former college roommate plus his dead wife's drum playing brother and his entire family all crammed into an attic i think right and a dog sometimes and i don't know if you saw the thing there was this video that was kind of blown up on the internet about how there was this big plot hole in full house where uncle jesse talks about dropping out of high school but then he said he didn't like in later episodes and this

guy like his mind was blown and for 16 years he was trying to contact the writers of full house to be like you know like you said he dropped out of high school in season two right and like it's like a really interesting video but they know the guys jesse uncle j like you said, he dropped out of high school in season two. Right. And like, it's like a really interesting video. But they know the guys, Jesse, Uncle Jesse. So you can drop out of high school and go on to go to college. Like, yeah. Yeah. Well, Uncle Jesse seems like the type of person that he he could have like been valedictorian and but wouldn't tell anybody because that would undercover smart guy.

Yeah. I didn't want to fuck up. Yeah. Yeah yeah because he's got this persona that he's got he went to mit dude he's like the guy from the offspring he's really smart yeah but anyways like that you know this shouldn't be that surprising the act of making a bigoted Christmas movie should be the Cameron family crest at this point. But, you know, she once defended the Oregon bakery that illegally refused to bake a wedding cake for a lesbian couple. So, yeah, she's not she's not for the rights of very many people or she's for the rights of a very specific group of people. Yeah. Yeah. One hundred percent. And she's also just, you know know with that that whole

family is you know all in on homophobia especially her brother so the tanners yeah yeah the whole family has really gone to shit oh candace but again it's like there was another one where she like posted a thing or she's like on tiktok where she's am I the villain here? Like kind of like trying to like troll people about like what her, you know, bigoted stance was. But it's like you're I don't know. She's she's she's only relevant in that she was in a seminal show for a lot of people's childhoods. Other than that, it's not like you're talking about like a real mover and shaker. So it's like, I don't know, Miles, her acting talent is undeniable. I think it's undeniably awful

yes yeah talk about her personal life all you want but for me game recognized game and i can't she was the weak point in a cast that was not was not full of you know the world's greatest actors somehow two of the cast members that were incoherent babies ended up becoming the bigger stars on that show. Yeah, and were much more talented and gave more convincing performances. Better fashion sense, too. You know, way cooler when looking,

or way cooler looking when they smoke cigarettes at a young age. And in case it's not clear to you what safe means in this case, last year, like their definition of what safe and traditional family. Last year, they made 12 Christmas movies. Gaff, is that what it is? Great American Family.

All but one centered on straight white characters. Wow. The other was a white savior story. And one of the companies bankrolling the channel belongs to a republican national committee co-chairman and donald trump jr's fan although that could be said about probably every company in the country yeah it's all check out warner discovery plus you know you're gonna get some interesting stuff there i think they even have a talking point about like these are safe movies that value, quote, American culture and, quote, heritage. So heritage is one of those words that it's like, oh, you're like you're trying to disguise it, but really not not much.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Our heritage as violent colonizers. Our heritage of putting the Confederate flag on the on the orange Dukes of Hazzard car. Yes. Hey, hey, we're not going to slander that beautiful vehicle on this show. American culture, heritage, and lifestyle. Like those are... Mmm. Mmm.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and we're back and ftx collapsed ftx was like a crypto exchange second largest it was the it was the big boy it was the one with the larry david commercial for for us crypto outsiders who haven't donated crypto in months like i had mentioned earlier it's it's the one with larry david commercial and and they're all getting sued tom brady commercial and oh did you know tom brady supposedly had like his entire portfolio tied up in ftx no yeah i would fucking love that if that was like i think right after like they did it could be a liar or whatever but they said he was like that's where he's like he's like yeah

and i got all my money in ftx dude he said that after it after it imploded or right before no this was like before i feel like one of the like early on like before that way before the collapse around the time of the commercial he was like rah-rah like how great it is now this is also the sort of rumor you start spreading when you're in a divorce and trying to give as little money as possible oh right you're you're oh man i got fucking slammed yeah what are you talking about i just saw you in a a literal rolex commercial in forbes anyways it it collapsed i want to read about it you know the the articles are all like they start out with some sentences that make you think they're going to say this is endemic.

And like this is why crypto is banks without insurance. And it's just a way for people to steal money from you. And it's it's got all the same problems as capitalism. And then they immediately turn to. So like here's the Washington Post summary of it. turn to so like here's the the washington post summary of it but like other crypto exchanges ftx operated outside the traditional banking system and this created enormous risks though they act like banks and brokers crypto exchanges typically are not subject to the same type of regulation insurance and disclosure rules that protect customers of traditional banks so a very

like pro-bank way of like highlighting what's wrong with crypto. But then the very next paragraph is like, at some level, the fall of FTX is not a crypto story at all, says Adam Levitin, a Georgetown University law professor and principal at Gordian Crypto Advisors. Oh, so they say very clear things, very clear problems, and then back it up with some expert from inside the world of crypto being like crypto is still a safe bet, folks. Don't worry. It was just this guy and the fact that he was in the Bahamas. Literally, his quote is, people invested billions in an unregulated financial institution based in a Caribbean island. How could this end well? it was the caribbean island that's why yeah the bahamas dude like think of the fire festival that's all bad stuff happens there right you know jeffrey epstein's island so we know also that like first paragraph you read it like it's amazing how it's like it's so euphemistically describing a terrible fucking

place to put your money at any in any way like possible it's like it's like imagine if you described a fucking hospital like that it's like you know although it comes with enormous risk they're not subject to the same regulations as a hospital or safety guardrails you're like hold on why don't you say this place is a fucking hellscape that is just is basically a place to lure people into getting swindled but then no but it's not a great problem so another big part of the story is the sam bankman freeds is that yeah did i get that right yeah he so he's like the main character that the media has settled on. And he was like the CEO.

And he was like only 20 something. 29 or 30 when he became the youngest billionaire. Yeah. So he became a billionaire. He was like that. They were like, he sleeps at the office because he's just about his grind. And that's most American thing of all. Look, he barely combs his hair.

This guy is the best well and also forget don't forget the other part of his like identity kit was that he drove like a regular ass toyota corolla yes and like every single person was like oh my god dude this guy's a fucking billy and he's got a fucking corolla dog so that's the other big part of the story is he was big in this movement he was the primary funder i think we're other big part of the story is he was big in this movement. He was the primary funder, I think, or the largest funder of this movement called Effective Altruism.

The idea is... It started with this young philosophy professor at, I think, Oxford. One of the colleges in the UK that is the equivalent of Harvard and Stanford in America in that it is like has a reputation as like this super independent left-leaning learning

institution but it is uh do you say it has a reputation as Hogwarts it's like Hogwarts yeah yeah it is like Yale yes Oxford is Harvard. But anyways, it also apparently has a big contingent of people who immediately go into investment banking and finance. Yeah. So this dude starts out and he has this utilitarian philosophy that's like, okay, so the thing that we need to do is get as many of the wealthiest people in the world as possible to do as much good with their money as possible. His first instinct was good. He was like, okay, so I'm going to look at all the different funds

that help people in poor and developing countries. And, you know, for you, like his argument was basically like, you could go become a doctor and save hundreds of people or you could go become an investment banker and fund like these funds that save thousands, hundreds of thousands of people with donations. That's where his mind was at. And like, you can see where he's at in the early stages and he gets Sam Bankman freed onto his side, which is why Sam Bankman freed, like drove a shitty car. Like everybody involved in this, like personally donates like almost all their money. And,

but, but they're also very like finance brained. Yeah. Well, cause a lot of the people that go into there's like a schism in the movement where a lot of people were just thinking, OK, the classic example is like mosquito nets and how investing in mosquito nets can actually have widespread effect in preventing like like uncounted deaths, like untold death. Yeah. And by saying, hey, this is a cheap thing we can do. It scales and it helps a lot of people. Then it turns into this thing where people can either be

like, you either got to be the only way you get into it now is you got to have some kind of fucking disruptor ass industry level, like business or something, or you earn to give like, then your mindset is make as much fucking money as you can by any means possible so you can put it into effective altruism is like then that's when it starts getting like oh so now we're rationalizing making a lot of money right that's what this is now becoming yeah and then giving it away which like if you can convince all these very wealthy people to give all their money away to like things that actually help rather than to like them thinking because like a big problem with like this this is similar

to the philosophy of like a lot of like billionaires in the united states where they're like okay well like i'll just become a billionaire and then i'll give the money away rather than like letting the country tax me the problem with that strategy is like rich people like money the most they like money more than anyone has ever liked anything and they want yeah well they stand it even so once they once they get a lot of it they are they actually become much less likely than they thought they were at the beginning to give any of it away. And two, like in this case, you know, with Sam Bankman Freed, like you're a dipshit 29 year old crypto billionaire who made billions of dollars off of finding a way to defraud people. Like, yeah, you have absolutely no authority, no moral structure at all, no way of knowing where that money should go. You are the product

of a system that is predatory you're going to be surrounded by predators so like you're not the person to decide that this movement at least initially was like well we you give our your money to us i am a smart philosopher who has like run the numbers i will take that money and put it in the smartest place unfortunately that philosopher king guy who originally like convinced him he spends like the next decade of his life with crypto people and finance people and he like just becomes very i don't know. You can just see the way that money infects the truth. For instance, they keep skipping over climate as a thing to be worried about. And his justification is like, well, a lot of climate groups aren't for cap and trade, which is like, you treat the climate crisis like a stock market and it'll solve itself essentially that's his like first argument against it and then the second one which is fucking wild they're like talking about so eventually they moved to this like near termist

stuff like bed nets and there's even a part where sam bankman freed is like i never really went through the bed nets phase of this like because because that's all emotional how to use your money efficiently for the greatest outcome which okay that's all emotionally driven miles and i'm more with a long-termist mindset yeah right and so he fuck what was i say it's it's like so fucking mind-boggling and infuriating well i mean you can't really care about the environment and be super into crypto at the same time no like just with how much damage those things do but the idea too of being into long-termism and in ignoring the health of the planet like how long is this term exactly that you're considering? Well, so they start, they're like now, like, well, actually, when you have like these small threats over a long enough time

because the population is going to grow, investing a small amount in a small threat now will actually have the greater impact like years and years from now. But they just have and i build my spaceship they have this outsized opinion of their own ability to like know what the problems are going to be in like 200 years they so they fixate instead of being fixating on climate change they fucking fixate on ai and like the terminator apocalypse yeah yeah that's what they're focused on that's what they're

like putting a lot of their money into the because yeah that so like this part in the new yorker article that they say this is a quote the major contributor to existential risk according to them was not climate change which even in a worst case scenario is unlikely to render the planet wholly uninhabitable new zealand for example example, might be fine. Instead, he singles out engineered pathogens and runaway artificial intelligence. And then I also want to read a quote from somebody within this movement later on, because this also really informs this worldview. Nick Beckstead, the philosopher at the helm of the Future Fund, remarked in his 2013 dissertation, richer countries have substantially more innovation and their

workers are much more economically productive. By ordinary standards, at least by ordinary enlightened humanitarian standards, saving and improving lives in rich countries is about equally as important as saving and improving lives in poor countries provided lives are improved by roughly comparable amounts but it now seems more plausible to me that saving a life in a rich country is substantially more important than saving a life in a poor country so it's fucking jonathan swift yeah but like they're open about this shit they're just like because then you can make more money, which allows you to solve more problems. But it's just they've been fucking they've been incepted by money. And like, that's, that's the thing with the like, all the writing about FTX that I was just hit by over and over again, is that until nobody can make billions of dollars off of crypto they won't write the truth about crypto because in our society in our version of capitalism like hyper capitalism that it's not just like that they

have a bias towards what makes the most money it's that like what is going to make the most money like gravitationally pulls like their perception of what the truth is yeah because because like that is the thing that the business section is going to write about and that is the thing that the owners of these newspapers are going to care about it's just like we're watching this thing where we're saying the same thing over and over again where we're like yeah crypto seems like a scam everybody can kind of look at it and see it's a scam. And yet the mainstream media just keeps writing these fucking gullible articles that are like these accounts of, yeah, we don't know what happened. Again, it seems like maybe this guy was crazy. real computer scientists there to tell you how much of a fucking sham crypto is in general and then start your fucking analysis from there to say like look at disaster after disaster all these companies showing up and becoming as the guy said this thing's worse than fucking enron you know like how are you then being like yeah this isn't a crypto problem it is it's unregulated and so

much of the the market is driven by these like whales trying to get out now and normalize crypto use so they can cash the fuck out and it's also like this other thing too where just like crypto even within effective altruism like if you were actively questioning like they they would they would have open forums and discuss things but if you were like actively questioning like i think it's a better way to do it they kind of treated how they would people who were like crypto like f FUD people who are like being like, oh, you're just trying to fucking so just like, you know, distrust and stuff. And like, you're not you're not actually about this. You're a hater.

And again, it further insulates itself from actually any critical analysis of what they're doing. And it's like even the momentum of Sam Bankmanman freed is like this thing where people get so caught up in this billionaire worship they never for a second go this guy is could be full of shit like the 600 people that came before him on the same thing of like i've got this great idea i'm elizabeth holmes oh wait it's bullshit i'm elon musk no you're a fuck like no this this is all this is all horse shit elon musk by the way commented on that philosopher like leader guy's last book being like this book's actually a pretty close match to my philosophy so he's gonna be on so you're a philosopher king yeah as he now tries to inseminate the planet so there's many people with his dna running around

which is his end game it seems like yeah based on his love of genghis khan so yeah but i it it is like really interesting that like i think there's something at a subconscious level that's happening because they've fixated on the singularity and like this robot apocalypse where the robots become like out of control so much smarter and they're thinking faster than us and they decide to kill us because that is like actually what is happening with capitalism like the singularity has happened with you are the robots when you are doing an analysis of human lives and you're like the ones that make more money are the ones that are more valuable

like that you you have completely, like the money has gotten in and is doing the thinking for you. And you are no longer like the singularity has happened. And it's very smart. It's a hyper like machine, like, you know, nano technology that is everywhere.

And it destroys any amount of like thinking. And like this idea that started with like, let's get bed nets to people who are suffering by inviting in by inviting like fucking investment bankers to the conversation becomes this like thing that's all about like just denying climate change is a problem and like focusing on spending money and things that can like disrupt their you know disrupt industries basically to generate more money it's just it just becomes another money making scheme no no no no no no no so like you just gotta get on board with this stuff. Okay. So here we go. Okay. Oh, good.

We got the, we got these nets, old news, cold potatoes. Okay. We put vaccines in the mosquitoes. Well, I mean,

hair down the nets. Spending less. Now, now the mosquitoes are mosquitoes for good. Yeah. Yeah. Send me a, send me a doge. Now the mosquitoes are mosquitoes for good Yeah Send me A doge Everyone out there in Radioland

And I will I'll start pumping these Skeeters for Horse medicine I think at the end of the day It's anything that Billionaires are engaging in to Rationalize their wealth is just going to be corrupted by the fact that they're like engaged in this like massive accumulation of wealth to begin with, because so many of them are being like, OK, Norm, I usually feel bad that I know I'm just sucking up all the wealth out of the like a given place. But now but the thing is i'm actually doing it

for effective altruism where i will fight the robots yeah so then it's okay and i'll make so much robot money the robots won't be able to have money exactly where are they gonna plug in at night nowhere because they'll be in poor robot countries yeah and we're not gonna help those robot countries right the new yorker article is definitely worth reading it's like it ends with the reporter on a walk with this guy who's like this hot shit philosopher like he's the youngest philosopher teacher philosophy professor ever to teach at oxford and like he's the head of this like multi-billion dollar fund and he's like walking past this park that has been taken over as like a like tent city. And she's like in his eyes just kind of flick past that.

And he like looks at the horizon and he's like, I just I really hope we're not focusing on the wrong problems with this like AI apocalypse. Like doesn't even comment on that shit. thing but like doesn't even comment on any shit yeah and like the new york article doesn't even comment on the fact that he's like not worried about fucking climate change they're just like they just take the fucking new zealand thing as like at face value it's like do you think it might be because like so much of the existing economy that is funding his movement is tied up in fossil fuels and like that he just can't he can't deal with any reality that might so he's just he's all he's probably buying into all the shit they're saying about like well bp actually believes in a better future you know yeah who fucking knows i mean i think it's it's it's just fucked up because

effective altruism if done correctly seems like a quite a beneficial force on the planet and i think that's why a lot of critics too are like they're like this could either completely fuck up the idea that this is worth something doing or like maybe they can actually kind of get find a way to like reform this movement a bit understanding like these were the pitfalls that we fell into that like a lot of critics and people who left the movement like this is bad y'all aren't gonna do the right thing by having more of these people in here yeah so no they're fucked by the way like they're like i've seen those but like you can see it in the way that the guy the philosophy professor guy who heads up the fund responds to criticism.

And he's just like, I I'd love to hear it out. And like the person's like, well, maybe like instead of you just deciding what's done with the money, you like open it up. No, no,

no, no, stop, stop, stop. He's like, I, he takes it.

It's exactly like Zuckerberg. He takes it in and then they're like, and he ignores the fuck out of it he he seems very receptive to it and ignores the fuck out of right right right yeah they're they're fucked but there there is a there is room for a movement like this that is not centralized and does not have the like does not have any like influence coming in from like the world of finance and investment banks but like that's what like no angel investors allowed but that's the sort of thing you need what's wild is on top of all that a ton of people who got unfortunately duped into this ftx nonsense

and are now yeah creating a more disenfranchised people who bought into it the guy was dismissing bed nets as a phase that like people who want to help people like go through because it like makes them feel good emotionally but it's actually not the real problem and was giving himself credit for like knowing what the problems were going to be 150 years from now he was not perceptive enough to see the problem in his own fucking company that like lost thousands of people like ruined thousands of people's lives yeah but i think there's also i think there's also a lot to say that sam bankman freed was just full of shit the whole time too you know because like he was giving like that vox interview or like those dms he was exchanging and he was like yeah i don't know i was just saying you know it's like i was

just saying the right shit to keep my fucking image up and you're like what the fuck and i think it just shows again he said something really interesting he's like you know you go and you like you basically go and you recite like the right shibboleths and you know show that you have your collection of the right opinions societally and that's enough to get you in the door to a lot of places i'm like you know you said the quiet part out loud right there. Where it's like, you say the right things and enough people will believe that whatever adventure you're on is noble or whatever. And then, I don't know, I just kept going from there. It's just, read those interviews too.

Like, especially in the fallout of it. This guy is, he doesn't know when to stop talking. Although, him talking has been very illuminating. Yeah. Well, Steven, truly a pleasure as always having you on the Daily Zeitgeist. Where can people find you and follow you? Instagram, for sure. Wilbur with an E.

Spelled out Wilbur with an E. Other platforms, TBD. Yeah, we'll see. We. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. Yeah. Yeah. Is there,

is there a tweet or some of the work of social media? You've been looking at your box of ashes. You see anything? I wanted to pour one out for a legend and I can't find it. Somebody, somebody shout out in the comments what it was. Do you remember that tweet from, it was an account

saying they were Dr. Frankfurter from Rocky Horror and they did the I bet you're trembling with Antissa and then five years later tweeted patient. Patient.

Twitter didn't get better than that afterwards. For what else? Miles, where can people find you what's a tweet you've been Enjoying Find me on Twitter and Instagram If there's an ad symbol Miles the gray good chance I'm there At least have an account

Also mad boosties Are top rated 100% basketball podcast And also 420 Day Fiance. Check that other show out as well. There is, let's see, let's see. Got some good ones. Where's the one? Oh, first one from at Alexis J reports tweeted, we should have had Twitter awards.

The guy who made that Del Curry divorce thread deserves one. i yes the best yes yes that's still one of my favorite tweet threads if you remember when he said but but let me tell you something you don't want i'll just read a little bit he said you don't want to be out here you think you want to be out here because you this was talking about uh del curry uh getting divorced his wife and he said divorce when you get out here you think you want to be out here because you this was talking about uh del curry uh getting divorced to his wife and he said divorce when you get out here you ain't gonna want to be out here no more last time you was out here out here was different you think something's better i'll come to let you know the best you're gonna get is what you already got he's like i don't know why you don't want to do the work you're gonna come out here and ain't gonna like it all they do is start podcasts and talk talking about plate fixing 14 minutes of being about being out here.

You're going to start saying these females, uh, where's the other one? He said, uh, you don't want to be out here learning tick tock dances and falling off milk crates. Oh,

one of my favorites. Uh, wrong. Yeah, no, not at all. Yeah. Not at all.

Another one was at, at Charlie Sosnick tweeted, 1,000 Twitter employees with three months severance. Pray for Mexico City. That feels very, God, who knows what place they're going to go and get together. And then another one is from Foddy Peoples, at NotCartonBanks tweeted, it's just a quote, it says,

they said Twitter might not make it overnight. Yeah, all the family up there now. Like any phone call in time with somebody about to pass. Oh, man.

Twitter might not exist by the time this shows up, but, or it might not. It'll exist. It'll exist. It's just gonna be, it'll probably be non-functioning

Did you try and download your thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did My data I'm waiting for them to message me back That it's ready to download Yeah I did that with all my vines Oh, you did?

I got them on a thumb drive somewhere I fucked up so bad with that My vines are gone My vines are gone! I got them on a thumb drive somewhere. I fucked up so bad with that. My vines are gone. My vines are gone! I should post my vines on Twitter just in a burst this weekend. Yep. But when I was trying to do the

download all my data, it was like, alright, you gotta do the two-factor authentication and only one of those worked. It only one of those worked. It only worked over email. You can't have them text you. They will not text you.

Oobly. So that one's down. It's on one link at this point. Yeah, I know. Ghosted. I'm old. Three dots. Everything's the same.

Everything's just comments about how everything's dead at Twitter, but I'm enjoying it. Cody had, what I'm hearing from Twitter employees is that there aren't any. That's Dr. Mr. Cody. Ron DenBlaiker tweeted, it should have been Facebook, broken heart emoji. That is absolutely the truth april clark just a good old-fashioned said my wife is pissed at me because i discovered i'm polly you cheated on me i'm literally coming out to you right now but okay so it's funny when people are tweeting that like it's so the timeline is chaos yeah fucking chaos like people are crying people are like giving people each other their flowers and shit and then occasionally get someone to be like do horses get bored exactly yeah all right shout out to you shout out yeah they must right i was gonna tweet that it's something i really think about because there's i walk by like when i see horses like in their stalls all night like they're like standing up and shit just like yeah shit like what are they thinking about they wish they could binge new girl or something yeah right or the new season of emily in paris at least yeah you can find me

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