The Daily Zeitgeist - The Real Lady A, Karenology 7.10.20

Episode Date: July 10, 2020

In episode 669, Miles and guest host Sofiya Alexandra are joined by comedian and Drag Her co-host Mano Agapion to discuss Disneyland re-opening, Lady A(ntebellum) suing the original blues singer Lady A for their new name, Kelly Loeffler showing her ass, and more!FOOTNOTES: Disney World Draws Excitement and Incredulity as Reopening Nears Lady A, Formerly Lady Antebellum, Sue Seattle Blues Singer Lady A Loeffler doubles down against BLM, calls movement 'anti-Semitic' amid continued WNBA blowback WATCH: Saib - Jet Set Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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through you know jack uh you jack and i tried to mend you know i guess mend the fence or whatever the saying is uh and you know we kind of got into it uh over just some homemade baja blast recipes we were it got a little contentious i said and i think you know whose. And I think you know whose side I'm on because I'm here today. Because you're here. Jack isn't, so think about that. So the beef continues, y'all. Zyking, keep sending in your theories as to why Jack and I are beefing because we love it. But in all seriousness, we are beefing.

Okay, now I am thrilled to announce today's guest. Someone who has been on the show once when I have not been here, has been on the show once when I have been here, when I am here, when this person is here. I laugh. I think this person is hilarious. I think this person is intelligent. I think this person has a wig game fiercer than Patti LaBelleelle's please welcome the very fantastic and hilarious mano agapian hi yes what's up oh man i'm so glad you can see my wigs i love it um i love it first thing i was clocking i saw the greek flag and i saw the wigs and i said i didn't see any of that because i just saw your tank top and yeah i was like you are very cute and i like your shoulders so i just was distracted okay what about me sophia yeah miles i see how beautiful you are

every day when we record mono got the nice got the fucking uh tank top with the chest hair out i mean yeah i have about three chest hairs, so I keep them to myself. I mean, dressing like a slut is one of the few joys of this quarantine. You also got tight panties on, don't you? Because I saw when you got up. Sorry, I'm really lonely. Those are short shorts.

How do I, where do I file a complaint? I know, there's a little Zoom call lurker over here. No, yeah, I dress so scantily. plane this is i know there's a little zoom call lurker over here no yeah i dress i literally i dress so scantily i i love every second of it i like short shorts tiny tanks um and i can't tell if it's because i'm euro trash or gay uh i think it's probably both thing yeah is so for you in quarantine because i've i've and i bring this up a few times on the show clothing to me is just merely a way to not be naked on a zoom call like i've lost the thing where i'm like oh i'm gonna fucking wear that with this oh shit yeah just wait i'm like nah dude i

can't have i have to have pants on so i'll wear this pair of sweatshorts or basketball shorts uh i don't know if that's the same for you. You still have a little bit of magic when you select your outfits. It depends with who I have to. There have been some Zoom calls where I pretended to look like an adult. I have to admit. Oh, wow. So what kind of fashions are we talking about when you have to elevate the game for a Zoom call?

The great thing about- Like blazer? Like how? Like what are we talking? No, like a polo or a button up oh shit do you know what i i have not worn a button up unironically since before the quarantine i don't know why buttons on a shirt have become my arch nemesis i'm like yeah get away from me satan not today not today nasty t-shirt i hear you i hear you and i had a couple shirts that actually look like you ever i have some shirts that look good on top but look like shit in like towards the bottom and i was okay and i was able to use those which made me so happy

because like it like you know waist up yeah it fits off top but it does not fit on the bottom so that that made me really happy to get to use those that have just been sitting in my closet pretending like my body will one day change like i'm loving it up i'm loving everything from the chest up um so mano we're gonna get to know you a little bit better but before but before we do all that, actually, let me just crack a cold brew up a roll. Sound of the cold brew. Wow. Someone's powering up.

It's been a while since I had my Kirkland signature cold brew. Okay. That looks like a white claw to me. You look. Oh, yeah. No, no. If only. It has the generic jungle cat on there.

Oh, you got the high brew. Yes. I got the high brew as well. I like it. They sent me some samples. Shout out to high brew high brew you know but the sample stopped coming so then i went to costco um but as we get to know you a little bit better we're gonna talk a little bit about uh disney world just really not giving a fuck uh they are opening it's like fuck you bro we're opening what the fuck you're gonna do about it it's the magic kingdom uh hopefully the magic will protect our employees from the coronavirus uh we're also gonna do a quick uh white supremacy fuckery roundup uh just to kind

of check in on uh the the good folks uh in the clown hoods and see what they're up to uh we'll talk a little bit about you know all the the karenisms the rise of karen energy what is it about uh jack was wanting to speak talk about this last week and then i was like oh wait i got something to say about this he's not here but we will have this discussion because i think it's interesting to get everyone's perspective on like what is it is it are karen's new have they been here is it the media do they want to they want to focus more on women than the med because of inherent patriarchy so what is it we will have to talk about that and we will get to the bottom of it.

And who better than three people whose parents were not born in this country? And some of them were not even born in this country. But we will be here to discuss that. Okay. So before we do all that, Mano, what's something from your search history

that is revealing about who you are? Ooh, something from my search history that's revealing. You know what? I'll say there's a lot, and obviously a lot of it's porn. But let's say the one that's really tickling my brain right now, you guys already do this on another podcast, but I keep Googling what the couples from 90 Day Fiance are doing now.

Like, I can't stop myself. I can't stop myself. You haven't found a better pair to talk about this. Who are you interested in? We're so excited. I mean, the Laura Aladdin or Aladdin. Aladdin. Aladdin.

Aladdin. They're kind of fascinating, and I like that they've been vocally fighting, and I like that they're one of the only couples that are like, we are broken up, whereas so many of the other ones are like, we're working on it. No, you're not.

They were a mess. I mean, so many of these couples, whenever Sophie and I watch a new season, we always go, there'll only be maybe one couple we think there's a real legitimate shot at being a human, healthy relationship. And not always. Not always. We were so excited for Armando and Kenny because they were the first good people we'd seen in years on the show. We were like, oh my God, are we crying?

Oh, they're so nice. Yeah, we are. I cry every damn week when Armando or Kenny is coming out to his parents or telling his daughter they're moving. And every time you think it's going to be terrible and it's beautiful. It's always so gorgeous. When Ronald and Daniel are sweet to each other. Remember, like, Daniel is Tiffany's kid. Oh, sweet Daniel.

And they're like, he is. He loves Daniel. He's hands down our most favorite child. He's a star. He's a fucking star a fucking star an angel from fucking heaven above he really is the purest of heart ronald's has some stuff to go through ronald is a problem he's a problem but he's so sweet he's genuinely so sweet to daniel i thought well he is kind of like no No, no. What about the, here's South Africa. It's very dangerous where everyone dies, my boy. Oh, I've heard of murder and gangs, my boy.

What a fucking weirdo. Yeah, he's driving up there. He's like, this is where you could potentially get human traffic, my boy. And then get away from your family. But I love you. It's like, whoa, okay. I mean, different ways of parenting. I mean, I take your point.

Yeah, this might be illuminating. Ronald, like, you know. This might be illuminating. He liked to play the dad role. My daddy issues. Yeah, this might be illuminating. Ronald, like, you know. This might be illuminating. He liked to play the dad role. My daddy issues. Yeah, well, look. Welcome to the club. Called Three Dad Night.

Also, what kind of porn are you looking for? Just glaze over that shit. Oh, my God. What's the vibe right now? You know. I'm glad you asked that because I already permed out on him. Naughty sleepover? Naughty sleepover.

I love when two friends are like we're friends and then and they're like oh oh which is so wholesome that's the most adorable porn preference i've ever heard yeah thank you thank you so much uh yeah i mean i've always i think it's because i didn't i was a chunky um uh i'll just say i was chunky and i was not hitting my i didn't hit my sexual prime till like 22 or 23 um or i guess do even anything remotely sexual till 22 or 23 and so i think there's always a part of my life that's like wait people in like high, like got to like do stuff. That's so, that blows my mind. Right, right, right, right. Making up for lost time.

Making up for lost time. So yeah, I don't know. Naughty sleepover is always cute to me. I like this. So the format of the scene is always the same. It's a sleepover. It's starting off friendly, like not going there, and then do a little body exploration.

Then there's like a game, like spin the bottle kind of thing. How do they go? What if we practice kissing, right? That's how it starts. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And gay porn has a really interesting slant. There's a lot of homophobia in gay porn,

which is both problematic but also exciting you know because there's that little twinge of like this isn't gay right or like we can't force our gayness but we can't help right right but act on it and it's it's it's a really weird thing that a lot of gay porn involves itself in well i think that's like sort of the interesting thing that porn reveals about the psyche because on some level the people making it are kind of aware of these taboos or dynamics you know within our culture to like sort of exploit to make them that's why i'm like right now i'm like why the fuck is there so much like step sister step brother shit on the street side of

the fence i'm like what how many of y'all are in these blended families and you just wanted to fuck your older step sister it's like it's like remember how uh they did a whole thing about where all the different pockets of the country which porn is popular like which porn searches are and it's like in the most racist places uh the most popular porn is like oh black on white and then you know in these other places it's like step sister step brother and it's like regionally i would love to know what's happening i mean poor porn hub has all that information if you want to know what the next cambridge analytica is is porn hub because they got everybody fucking figured out. I just want to know why, I guess. Or the ones that aren't as

easily explained as, oh, it's a racist place and so they like to Google things that they think are taboo. Right, or be like cucked over porn or something like that. I think a lot of the daddy issues I think of both straight and gay porn have to do with like, because I think

we're like, the kids, kids reaching adolescence now are like children who grew up in this like post 2008 recession or something. And I think they're so used to having like no stability in their economic life that the thought of someone stable who can actually pay your bills is like somehow been sexualized. Oh my God. You're spitting hot fire right now. 10,000 feet, bro. Dropping the fucking Moab on us. Okay.

I thought about it long and hard. I was like, what's happening with daddies right now? And I think that's it. And you hear a lot. America needs a dad. That's why. Oh wow.

And our dad right now is just as bad with money, too. No, he's a stepdad. He's a stepdad, and we're waiting for our dad to come back. Stepdad you don't want to fuck. Oh, a drunk stepdad who crashed his car into the tree, and he's like, it's fine. Yeah. What are you talking about? That tree?

Who put that there? Who put the tree there? God damn it. Okay. Mano, what's something you think is underrated? Underrated. Hmm. I like that question.

I'm going to say sunlight. I think sunlight's underrated, but I also just love, I love, love, love the sun. And I, of course, enjoying it responsibly with sun protection. But I think the sun's underrated because I literally, I get in the sun for like 20 minutes and I'm in a better mood. Do you have like a routine to make yourself available to the sun's rays? Or do you just kind of take it through the window? You take a walk? What's the deal?

I'm, yeah, I'm like a bird, I mean, I'm like a birdcage gay in that like I'm not afraid to go in my backyard, which is like connected with a lot of different apartment buildings. But I'm not afraid to go in my backyard in the smallest shorts, as you saw, and just sunbathe on hot pavement. Like a cat. You're essentially a cat. Absolutely. I'm disinfecting my coat like a cat you're essentially a cat absolutely i'm disinfecting my coat like a cat and um even

though like i see my neighbors walk by and they're like jesus christ what does he what does he do like what are you doing i'm like living my truth like i pay rent here too yeah it's very bad living my truth so i mean i every now and then i try to just do that they owe you money they're getting a free experience thank you thank you yeah it's a it's such a thrill for them they're so lucky and you know they're they're learning some body positivity in the process yeah i love i love sun i think there's a lot but but I think everyone's different. You know, some people just like it more like, uh, my boyfriend truly just,

the sun just hurts him. And I have to respect. Oh, like he really, he's not built for it. He's not built for it. No, no,

no. Is he like Irish? He's, he's Japanese. So he is fair. Um, I was going to say, that sounds like my mother who is japanese yep yep and he's just like

why no everything everyone and i'm sure and for him growing up everyone was like get away from the sun cover your face oh yeah um so i mean yeah my look my mom knew about them uv rays in the fucking 80s so when she would pick me up from school people thought my mother was a burn victim they're like what she got all that shit on for? She got a blast shield on her face. I've never seen your mom's arm skin. I've only seen her from the knuckle down. Like, what the fuck is up?

She has no face. It looks like she's an arc welder or some shit. And I'm like, it's to protect her skin. And then cut to when all the girls in high school, they're like, oh, my God, your mom's so cool. And I'm like, yeah, she's like 60-whatever. And they're like, what? And I'm like, yeah. Because she fucking knew about them UV rays, fam.

Yeah, she doesn't fuck with the sun. Yeah, like my mom was some Batman villain or some shit. Coming out with the pristine skin. Like Goodnight Mommy. Did you see Goodnight Mommy? Yeah. Holy shit. You should see it.

It's a pretty fucking crazy movie but it's it's good it's good i i like goodnight mommy it's basically the story of um these two little kids have a mom who like gets a ton of plastic surgery like a really a really crazy facelift and then when she comes home they they wonder is that really our mom under there? Because she's like so big. Wow. It's good. I like that. It's not, is it?

It's not, huh? It's not. I'm not going to say what happened. Hey, don't ruin that. That's the whole point. It fucking better not be. Oh, my God. Hey, well, then we must watch to know.

It sounds like an updated face-off. In a way, yeah. I fucking love face-off. In a way, yeah. I fucking love face-off. It'll surprise you. I'll say that. It'll surprise you. Mono, what is something that you think is overrated? Overrated.

Oh, boy. Okay. I'll go here. McDonald's. I think McDonald's is really overrated. What triggered this response? It's just bad. It's not good.

Like, I just, okay, McFlurries are good. I love a McFlurry. See, McFlurries are good, but I think I'm just shocked that they're able to do so well when their burgers taste like rubber and the fries are fine. But I mean, I just don't get how it can be so successful. I really don't. You know what? It's the same thing like with the porn, right?

Like it goes back to your childhood. A lot of the time, McDonald's was literally just the fucking reward for shit. Right, right. You know what I mean? And then if you didn't really expand past that, like you might be caught in this feedback loop of feeling mother or father's love because you did good at the t-ball game and you went to mcdonald's and now you're 38 and you eating fucking you know your big mac

and it's the same thing and like but i know what you mean because like i as i got older i couldn't really fuck with the burgers anymore it's just like i like as a you know drunk at night there's only the one place open fine like i'll hit a double cheeseburger no problem but as i got older i was like the breakfast was the only one thing i could not shake the sausage egg mcmuffin okay one thing and i'm not saying that's like necessarily i've had better sausage i've had better muffin i've had better cheese and better egg. But I like the little hash browns. See, I think the breakfast is good.

I think the breakfast is good. I really do. Or like parts of it are so tasty. The hash browns, unbelievable. They're so delicious. What was everyone's McDonald's intake like being, you know, not fully American American kids?

I didn't eat any, any like fast food you know, uh, not fully American, American kids. Um, I didn't eat any, um, any like fast food until I was like 16 or something. Okay. And then it was like a weird treat. Cause I bought it with my own money when I was taking classes at the Santa Monica college over the summer. So it was like one famous star,

please from Carl's junior. and i was like oh yeah here's my dollar you know what i mean but it's not that it was like good but i loved it yeah um see uh yeah i what did i you know what growing up my mom liked taco bell more which is amazing which now taco bell's over fuck taco bell bye girl um but my mom like i was looking into that yeah talk to me because i've sworn off because i'm i'm a tb tampa bay buccaneer taco bell buccaneer and yeah obviously with everything going on there was there a lot like there were a lot of reports about these fast food businesses that were supporting trump's re-election right from so the head of taco bell made fast food businesses that were supporting Trump's reelection.

Right. So the head of Taco Bell made a statement saying that as a company or him, I was never given money to a candidate. But there was a there are franchise owners that were and they were connecting these owners of Taco Bell restaurants to the corporate entity and saying that by association, that meant Taco Bell. But let's not forget though. They were also giving people shit. Like some of the workers from when black lives matters, masks and shit like that. So right. Taco Bell definitely fired that guy.

They did Taco Bell. I don't know what to do. I know. I know this is the world we're in. So I want to try the grilled cheese burrito. They made a grilled cheese burrito. I'm not going to lie. Look, when everything was going down, I said, I don't need another fucking second of Taco Bell.

Then that motherfucking grilled cheese burrito. I just saw what it was on paper, and I said, I'm high, and I'm trash. But now, I'm also like, I can't betray. Yo, is it Taco Bell that's doing those mini tacos now, too? That's Jack in the Box. Jack in the Box. I know I saw some sort of commercial. I was like, that sounds like it could be Taco Bell.

Wait, so Mano, so is Taco Bell like your McDonald's then? Like if you're regressing to childhood like food, it's Taco Bell? Yes. Yes, Taco Bell is awesome. Yeah, I think it's delicious. My mom would get the cheesy beans and rice and, like, eat it like a lady. You know, like, she would get, she just, like, my mom always, she would, how do I put this? Yeah, with the spork and chip.

With the chip. It was a spork. It should have been a chip, man. But my mom, my mom, just like Eddie Murphy's mom, my mom would make me what she thought was a McDonald's burger, but it was not. We got that at home. Exactly. We got that at home because my mom would make, and I think, Sophia, you can relate. My mom would make an overly spiced burger.

She would put oregano and lemon and onion in it, and I'm like, no, this is not a burger this is a kefte this is like a little meatball um that's how greek is fucked to me it's a it's a meatball and that's and that's that saying in greek uh where you say like y'all even eat shit with oregano with shit or something like that oh scotta yeah that literally means shit with oregano. Yeah. Yeah, because I was like, what? Because I heard these Greek people talking about

this like, yo, because we put oregano on everything. Yeah. Oh, okay. They put oregano on everything. But yeah, my mom

couldn't make a real American burger. So maybe the burger was just ruined for me at a young age. But you know what? But now you're sitting on one of those

like immigrant fusion waves where you come out with like the fucking Greek burger. You know what I mean? With the little feta on top and people like you know what i mean a lamb burger with feta i mean that's already out there trucks right there okay all over the country is that saying scott wd getting as is it meant to like what is that what do you what in what context do you say that it's's like, you know, it's like lipstick on a pig, right?

Oh, okay. You know what I'm saying? You know, when they, it's like you're covering a problem with, yeah, with something that'll barely help. Yeah, in Japanese, we call that babano atsugesho, which means an old woman's way too much makeup. Like, honey. That's not going to fix too much makeup. Like honey. That's not going to fix being old.

Honey, honey. That's harsh. You can't put all that makeup on. We know. We know. That is harsh. There are so many funny, funny cultural, all those cultural sayings.

They make me laugh so much. I think I told, we can go back to Joe, but I think I told you guys this. There's one in Greek that literally means shit in your face and made the closest water to wash it off with being Constantinople. There's a Yiddish saying which is shit in the sea and die, which is also pretty fun. Oh, that's fucking great. Shit in water. That's so good.

All right. We're going to come back real quick with the myth. But before we do that, let's take a quick break. I'm Dr. Laurie Santos, host of the Happiness Lab podcast. As the U.S. elections approach, it can feel like we're angrier and more divided than ever. But in a new, hopeful season of my podcast, I'll share what the science really shows, that we're surprisingly more united than most people think. We all know something is wrong in our culture, in our politics, and that we need to do better and that we can do better. With the help of Stanford psychologist Jamil Zaki. It's really tragic. If cynicism were a pill, it'd be a poison. We'll see that our fellow humans, even those we disagree with, are more generous than we assume. My assumption, my feeling, my hunch is that a lot

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That's really good. Okay. The Instagram post that shows you naked, but you put the caption, this is because I'm insecure about my body. Wait, what? I've not been on social media, not as much as I should be. Is that a trope we're seeing? There is a new trope. I could be talking out of my ass, but I think more people should just be posting their body and just being like, look, I'm thirst trapping you. I want you to look at my body as opposed to presenting your naked picture as a part of therapy.

Interesting. Do you hear me? Can I tell you something? It's a double-edged sword i think i invented the cancer thirst trap which is when uh i had breast cancer and i would post pictures of me where i like seriously was excited that i was getting back my like losing my cancer weight but it'd be like pictures and just be like here's my titties and like my body. I understand you probably won't read this whole thing about breast cancer, like TLDR.

This is a breast cancer thirst trap. Sorry. See, that is genius. That is genius. I think I'm just seeing too much. And obviously I need, I need to unfollow all the thirst, the thirsty, thirsty accounts of, of, of men. I follow on instagram because i you're

saying it's prevalent in in the thirst accounts you're looking at like this new way of is it because like have you noticed like traditional thirst accounts have had trouble posting tradition their normal scheduled programming because of pandemic and then blm and then now it's like well fuck i might have to i might have to post thirst traps in a deeper way. That's exactly it. That's exactly it. And there's been even some OnlyFans people. I don't know if you saw this,

but there were genuinely OnlyFans people posting impassioned monologues about BLM while naked. Like, did you? That's crazy. I didn't know about that. That is an interesting Venn diagram overlap. I'll send you a link. And of course, everyone was, I'll send. That's crazy. I didn't know about that. That is an interesting Venn diagram overlap. I'll send you a link. And of course everyone was like, fuck off.

You take, and like truly a man, a chiseled toned for the God's man with his dick flopping around talking about Breonna Taylor. And it was very disrespectful. I think that's who needs to be taken away right well i think that is wildly wildly inappropriate wildly inappropriate it must be tough though like when you're a content creator and your content is not very not to say that it's well yeah it's vapid it's just it's

titillation you know what i mean it's not it doesn't need it's never had say that it's well yeah it's vapid it's just it's titillation you know what i mean it's not it doesn't need it's never had a statement it's never been there for anything more than for people to like sort of consume and be stimulated visually so then to try and be like yeah i'm like let's let's let's bring in some real like social justice elements to this it's like oh what the no no right we don't need this at the party and it's one friend that you can ask about it yo yeah i'm trying to put my put my tit vehicle in two lanes at once right one just totally cool totally totally just the first lane is my tits the second lane is getting justice for brianna taylor's killers so there's a highway baby we got

different straddle that yeah i mean if you're gonna do it at least raise money for a cause like people were doing on the internet you know i mean then you can but rather if it's gonna be like i'm gonna monetize my own brand with this as like the lure then oh boy that is just yeah and i don't know if that's a myth but but we, I just, we need to cancel that. No, I think, but we're seeing that as, you know,

the, a lot of the outrage from the, you know, general public in the United States begins to sort of slide back into what they feel is normal, you know? And I think that's why now it's like walking this line of like, clearly there was three weeks where you, if you posted some dumb shit, it was fucking on.

Now that is starting to die off a bit. And it's starting, the feeds are starting to resume to normal shit, a mixture now. It's like maybe 70, 30 bullshit to like the kinds of posts we were seeing before. Yeah. And yeah. We'll see what happens. It'll be really interesting to see what happens. And like, what is the right thing to do?

You do want to bring light to it. But there's also like, it's so frustrating because you're like, I also don't know what the right thing to do is. I keep directing people to anti-racist resources. But also you're like, but what else can I do? How many, like, I can fundraise. What else can i do how many like i can fundraise um what else

can i do and i have to admit i'm also like at my wit's end of like after you send all the emails i made all the calls how do we continue to keep brianna taylor are there i'm curious like you know even in the world you're at like i smoke weed so i'm i'm going to weed companies i buy from and i say are can you please show me what you're doing in response to the black lives matter movement because cannabis is inherently a social justice movement too because of the number of incarcerated people i don't necessarily have the the platform to be like yo fucking calm down but on some level i think people need to at least begin to do whatever they can in the very narrow places there i'm'm not saying that's where it ends for me. Just me asking, what are you doing? And

that's it. But like, I don't know, like, are there, are there clubs like in LA, like gay clubs that have racist past that like are starting to come out and people are getting dragged for people need to speak up about? Are there things like, you know, what are the things at every level that we have that we can always kind of look at, whether it's in our, you know, what we consume or whatever? The gay community does have a past with racism that they're now confronting. And for like, just for example, Grindr recently removed its ethnicity filter. Do you know what I mean? And that's a good example of how like for years people were like using attraction as an alibi for racism.

You know, just being like, well, I only. Exactly. Not my type. It's like no femmes, no Asians, no blacks or whatever. My gay friends were saying like that's so common to see in bios and Grindr that I was just like, wow, people are just out there with it, huh? Right. It's crazy. And I literally, this is funny, but years ago, went to this focus group meeting at Grindr.

And I literally, I'm nobody to them, but they were asking gay people for their opinions. And I literally was like, you have to remove the racial filter. You have to. It's so crazy, but porn and, and, and, and the gay world has always been, they're very openly racist. It's so strange. And, um, they really need to reconcile how they've basically been complicit with the white community. And I think it's oftentimes because if you're in a minority group, the people who gain acceptance in that minority group first are the people who can pass as white the soonest

or appeal to that majority group the easiest. And it's always going to be the white gay man who's always like, I'm in. I'm in with the good old boys. So I think they've just been enjoying their freedoms and not necessarily looking back. Even though we know Marsha P. Johnson was a trans woman who threw the first brick at Stonewall but they're just kind of like

thanks bye um thank you for your work yeah yeah which is the American thing thank you for your service thanks for building thank you for your service take it from yeah it's tough yeah well uh let's move on to the news of the moment, which I guess just to start off, Disney World. The Magic Kingdom and Animal Kingdom are set to reopen this weekend. And, you know, there's a lot of mixed emotions around this. Look, you are either Disney and you're like, just to give you an idea of where Disney's at, to understand the motivations of this company. This is where they're at since the pandemic. This is from this New York Times article.

Disney, with its theme parks closed, Marvel movies postponed, and ESPN cable channel without live sports to televise has seen its business more directly affected by the pandemic than much of corporate America. more directly affected by the pandemic than much of corporate america then they go on to say like they've had to do a lot to uh you know furlough people to save money open up new lines of credit and things like that so we know where disney's at they are fucking bleeding money out of every possible theme park eye opening tv set movie screen possible and they have to get something going again they have to because this is a capitalist enterprise. It can't just be like, all right, well, let's dip into our reserves and make sure everybody's paid. Because we know at the end of the day, we're a multi-bazillion dollar multinational company. But instead, they're like, let's just fucking start making money again.

So that's where they're at. Then you have the Disney lovers, the fans. the disney lovers the fans i've seen plenty of these articles write-ups of and about angry pass holders who are like sick that they can't get into uh these fucking like when the reservation system open like i've been a pass holder for this long i should be able to not what whoa whoa whoa whoa yeah a ton of comments like oh we're canceling because you closed it down as opposed to like thanks for trying to make sure i don't die right yeah right and then you have um the very concerned workers who if you believe the disney social media feed are they're like oh hallelujah praise god disney's doing they're doing the most actually when it comes to our safety uh in a way i'm like you can relax disney that's sort of what their outward message is but there's a lot

of people there have been a few articles written talking to disney workers who are like i just can't imagine how this is going to be safe at all granted it's outside they're saying they've set up all these hand washing stations but at the end of the day i can't imagine that the the mindset of someone who is willing to take their family like including children to a theme park in a state that is having like hand over fist record covid cases being like confirmed every day to then go to a theme park through all that um i i can't imagine that those people are going to be very mindful of no everyone safety. No, this is crazy. How do we corral children?

Like, you blink, and a child has its snot and, like, its stickiness and its fingers all over you in three seconds. They throw up. They pee everywhere. Like, what are we talking about? Yeah, kids don't care. Because also we know the numbers show that kids aren't getting sick or or significantly sick from it so and yeah kids are crazy and stupid you can't tell a kid not

to not lick his hands he absolutely will yeah you give a kid a like a fucking ice cream that's melting down to their fucking elbow you think they're gonna be like can you take me to the restroom really quick i'd love to wash this ice cream off of my arm no they're gonna lick that shit off like the last bit of molly in that fucking plastic bag with the eight balls on it like they're gonna be like think about churro residue are you kidding me yeah it's cinnamon and sugar on your fingers yeah kid's not gonna lick that off but i think the dumbest shit i've ever heard the other thing is too right so there's even this disparity with even how the like the unions are at odds too some are saying like okay we're going with it with the workers like they're meeting some of our demands in terms of the mint the lowest bar of safety but like actors equity

performers like the people who do like the indiana jones stunt show and shit they're like at the very least you should be offering every person a like you should be testing every employee constantly on a regular basis so if the person knows you take them out of rotation and they can immediately get medical attention but they're like oh come on we don't know about that and so the that group that's represented by that union was like well then we're not having our performers on anywhere near there if you can't even do that like you're not even gonna make sure these people know if they get sick if they're there so then disney's like you know it's sort of you hate to see it but i guess you won't have shows like that because the people in the suits they're run by the teamsters union uh so if you're in a cost full body costume that's a completely different union

and they will be there but like behind like rope and stanchion so you can only take distance photos They will be there, but like behind like rope and stanchions. So you can only take distance photos. This is so crazy. I don't know where to begin. You know what I mean? Like I feel like a janitor who is tasked with cleaning like the Titanic underwater. They're like, okay, go clean it up. Like what do you, what, what do you mean?

Where do I start? Clean up the submerged structure. Yeah, clean it up. But it's in the ocean. You know that, right? Yeah, but can you clean it up? Yeah structure yeah clean it up in the ocean you know that right clean it up just clean it up just like dry it off and uh clean up make the rooms look nice what do you mean what are the tools that i would do that with it's been under there for 108 years yeah they're like here's a vacuum here's a vacuum and you're like no you don't get it okay before okay so thank you now where do i plug this

in okay and then they're like they're like you're being really difficult yeah a lot of people are trying to have fun and you're being really difficult a lot some of us are trying to provide families with a good time to actually distract them from the pandemic right now also tokyo disney i don't know this is crazy too because they're open and apparently on their roller coasters they have a no scream policy and there's signs up that say scream in your heart or something it is something like that yeah it's a very japanese i wouldn't be able to go on the roller coaster but you know what you want the whole time right but yeah i but you'd be surprised man japan like if it's mostly japanese Japanese people, they will scream in their hearts.

I believe it. I got in trouble. I went to see Real Madrid play an exhibition game when David Beckham and Zinedine Zidane and Ronaldo were all playing together. This is the 2004 era. And I have front row seats in that motherfucker. I'm screaming. OK, because I love I love me some football. in that motherfucker i'm screaming okay because i love i love me some football and motherfucker like the fucking uh uh not docents uh what do you call the people who like the ushers you know

the ushers yes the stadium staff were like please sit down i'm like this is a real and i'm like i'm forgetting i'm in japan too and i look behind me everyone's like sitting down and just like clapping like yep that's right. Same country. We sit through all the credits too. When you see the movie, you got, you not,

you do not get out of your seat till that last credit has scrolled up the screen. And I will now have fully respected the piece that was made with the effort of all these people. Like it's mad rude to leave during the credits. Oh, I've embarrassed my boyfriend on the JR in Tokyo. Quite, quite often. I i always i just forget like because i think i'm on a subway but yeah you started yelling just just being loud and stupid and then you that's not what you do in tokyo yeah that's usually like whenever i've

gone with a group of my american friends i'm like okay here's the deal bro i will fuck you up if you embarrass me on this train so no drug shit don't be swinging on the fucking things like it's monkey bars it's not the mta yeah that's not what it is my friend chris is the voice of the jr line oh what do you mean like the american ones or he does the the english one yeah cool you know the jr line or whatever yeah interesting Yeah, he does the station announcements. Apparently, it's a pretty small community. He's actually a gay man married to a Japanese man. Oh, cool.

I love that. Look at Japan. Shout out to a dying nation because right now, Japan is having – I'm sorry. I mean, the aging population plus climate change has been really bad because natural disasters has sort of laid bare how few people can take care of themselves in situations like that uh but that's a whole other show uh but this is crazy back to orlando uh so many of the other theme parks are open still and they're saying like they're acting like it's all good but

i really just i'm praying for the best really on behalf of, you know, people want to take their kids. That's a risk they're doing. And I feel bad for kids who don't know what is going on. But the people who have to work there, right, that they're in a situation where their employer saying come to work or you don't have a job and I don't care if it's a pandemic. And yes, you work at Disneyland and you deal with kids who are screaming all the time and in your face. But we will put up this plexiglass.

So yeah, hopefully that works i truly do think that if you take your family to disneyland now like low-key you want to murder them yeah i mean you're just like no one will ever know if i do it like this if like in europe they would probably call like cps on you yeah you know they'd be like i'm sorry what you took your kid to a pandemic ridden area to go and i'm sorry no what? You took your kid to a pandemic-ridden area to go? I'm sorry, no. That is an utter lack of consideration for the safety of your family. And this doesn't just fuck them.

This fucks all of us. There are over 3 million cases, over 130,000 people dead. This fucks us up. We're already not allowed to go to other countries. We are an island, and we're only proving to the world how stupid we are every day and it's so infuriating that um people are like but i i like a splash mountain like that they're like my kids are driving me crazy yeah well i gotta get covid that's on them oh my god I just like racist splash mountain.

I got to see it before they turn it into the Tiana ride. Yeah. Before. Also, like they forget when they say shit like it's my right to do this, that it's not your right to become an asymptomatic carrier or a symptomatic carrier and then give it to other people who are trying their best and might not have done anything fucked up and maybe this is their one trip to the fucking grocery store or wherever else they're going and look at you you just killed someone yeah and it's a culture thing i will stop talking about japan but really quick it's a it's a culture thing because like you know when you're in j, the cultural attitude is be respectful because if you're an asshole, you're the only one.

Whereas here. Everyone's going to look at you like, what? Exactly. Whereas here it's get yours because I'm going to get mine. And everyone's an asshole. Yeah. asshole yeah i mean it's just clear the the value like you can tell if the sort of base uh cultural touchstone of a of a country is do we take care of our own yep just in general yeah and that is not true here we do not take care of our own we are truly it's the double-edged sword of

american individualism like yes like you get these fucking people who are like yeah i'm a fucking rock star this is me but we don't fucking take care of our own we don't believe in investing in our people which is a country's greatest resource and that is why we are failing at every fucking metric exactly to look at that even more right just to get into some uh let's just do some white supremacy fuckery roundup real quick. Just to kick it off, Lady Antebellum. Okay, this is a band who, they're Antebellum,

reference to the Antebellum period before the Civil War, meaning when slavery was on and poppington. Okay, that's what their name is about. I'm so mad over this story. They fucking- I hate this story. Once the BLM movement really started getting momentum and the uprisings were reaching

fever pisser like whoops uh look we knew that name was bad but nobody was saying anything and now we realize it's bad so we're just gonna go to lady a few days later oh wait there is already a uh blues singer named lady a um by the name of anita white who has been going by the name lady a for decades now uh but suddenly lady antebellum is like oh shit okay there's that they tried to work it out behind the scenes they first are like okay we get that let's call lady a she's a black woman right yeah black woman yes um talking to her let's let's figure out a way to um make this. Let's pray on it. Cut to this announcement coming from their lawyers. Today, we are sad to share that our sincere hope to join together with Anita White in unity and common purpose has ended. She and her team have demanded a $10 million payment.

So reluctantly, we have come to the conclusion that we need to ask a court to affirm our right to continue to use the name Lady A, a trademark we have held for many years so they are suing her so they can fully be lady a and i have a feeling she was saying if you want to wipe me off this earth pay me 10 million dollars because that's what you're doing if you can give me 10 million dollars work of building this name and brand like how fucking dare you and they're taking that as well then they demanded a 10 million dollar payment i mean you so i got no choice except to take these people to court uh for my racist shit this is the fucking this is that empty bullshit that i was talking about and many people have been warning everyone

about from the beginning of this sea change we were hoping to have in this country it doesn't end with lady antebellum just going to lady a and then suing a black woman because you can't profit as much off of that name as you would like to that is such lip service and then to take this person to court yeah it's bullshit me and my friend came up with a word for it this is what we call reversity where it's it's basically it's fake diversity it's where you're like we were always here's our half measure to show that we were always inclusive blah blah it's fucking bullshit and and if you your stupid shitty fans will follow you if you change your name to uh the bubble brothers faces exactly the three fuck faces. Exactly. Change your name to the fuck, Grilled Cheese Burrito. God, I want a Grilled Cheese Burrito. But like, just change your name to anything.

Your stupid fans will follow you. And the fact that you were holding on to Lady A is proof that you don't really want, you don't want change. Because you still want your old racist fans to be like, well, they had to to but we know the message is still there i mean it's so offensive to think that for example if a band was called uh i don't know a lady anti-semitism and they just changed it to lady uh as right like so you just want to keep the anti-semitism shorter yes right like that's your only thing yes but make it shorter it's so wild to me and i tweeted this and i'm like why didn't you change your name to lady abolitionist why well that's because if people are gonna look up what your band is called if of course the racist people know but

if people don't know what antebellum is and they look it up right people can look up abolitionists if they don't know why wouldn't you do that it's so much easier if you actually care about making any kind of a statement they don't they don't and this is the most american shit is to pull up somewhere that somebody has already been there for years, claim it as their own, and then sue them when they try to act like that you weren't there before. You know what I mean? Like, it's textbook shit almost. It's like, hello, woman of color. This is mine now.

And if you want to do something, you can come after my lawyer. I'm lawyered the fuck up. So good fucking luck coming for me. And it's just, it's that exact same dynamic playing out all over again. So, I mean, I don't know what we got to do. Pull up to a Lady A show and just fart a bunch and ruin it? We'll figure something out. I mean, we'll figure something out.

But it's really upsetting. Yeah. It's fucking stupid. It's so stupid. And it's like, oh, stuff like this happens all the time yeah i'm getting fired up but i just i can't believe this is allowed to happen i can't believe they're not actually making the men's they said they were going to make oh well they did say in their release we're continuing to listen and pray and fuck off, man. Honestly, like y'all. You didn't listen to the black woman who said no to you.

Here's the thing. White people, you got a chance a couple a month ago to figure it out. If you do it again, now you are just racist. You had you could claim ignorance the last time in the last 400 years. But a lot of us are starting to draw the line now. And if you still want to fucking step, then there go uh lady racism there you have it uh next one lady kelly leffler i don't listen to her shitty music kelly leffler this oh right um kelly leffler is a senator from georgia you know i may have remembered her as being the woman whose like was the president of the New York Stock Exchange or something.

Anyway, they dumped a ton of stock before the pandemic and made out like bandits. Uh-oh, I wonder why. Because maybe they saw something coming inside her train. I don't know. Whatever. Whatever you want to call it. Not only that, she is the co-owner of the WNBA team, the Atlanta Dream. And the WNBA has been always very vocal when it comes to social justice issues.

Like they don't they don't fuck around like they've they've been on it as much as possible. And as they begin to play again, there's been all this talk like about having warm ups that have like Black Lives Matter messaging or like say her name and different slogans that are in support and in solidarity with the movement. So Kelly Loeffler, of course, being a Republican senator from the great state of Georgia, this is what she said in response to the idea that the players would be wearing this. She said, the truth is we need less, not more politics in sports. In a time when polarizing politics is as divisive as ever, sports has the power to be a unifying antidote. And now, more than ever, we should be united in our goal to remove politics from sports. Basically saying, can we declaw or take the fangs or effectiveness out of our athletes who are also people of color and have a platform to use, which is their athleticism? Can we also take their voice away in that arena as well?

Oh, so super quickly, um, really rebranding equality as political. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Nice, subtle move.

Nice. That's not what politics means. Politics isn't, uh, politics is parties and Democrats and Republicans and sometimes people like the Tea Party. Sadly, that's politics. But saying that people shouldn't be murdered because they are black. That's not a political statement. Nothing political. Yeah. Well, this is the thing, you know that the the republican sort of logic

vocabulary handbook works like this it's like when you're the dominant oppressive class um inconvenience looks like oppression to you right so the masks that's oppression now that's inconvenience but they call that oppression if you're if somebody is asking for equality and you label them terrorists uh you know you, you already know what the dynamic is because you already inherently know why terrorize these people. And now that they want equality, that probably means some form of terror back on me because I know I terrorize them.

When you're used to privilege, equality feels like discrimination. Absolutely. And I was like, white women have the same problem that white gay men have, and that is they're white. Just kidding. But not really. No, it's that they have sought approval and they have bought into a system created by white men. So they've gotten the approval of the gatekeepers now.

They're in cahoots with the gatekeepers now. And now that they have the power, they do not want to let go of it. But as we all know from fucking watching Spider-Man, with great power comes great responsibility. And that's what it is. It's like when you have power, you now have to share the power, but no one wants to share power.

They just want to give out a few diversity tokens, whether it's a TV show or a diversity committee in sports, whatever it is, they want to just put up a few banners that say we're equal without actually sharing power. Yeah. Well, it's like, well, you know, it's like if power is like this hammer that someone wields, it's like, well, I use it to smash the fuck out of everybody. And I know if somebody's asking for it, because I know what I do with it to smash the fuck out everybody and i know if somebody's asking for it because i know what i do with it is smash the fuck out everybody but to many other people that

is a tool to build with right and so they are completely misseeing it as like well i know this hammer to be a force of destruction because that is how i use it to terrorize people so the only logical conclusion is they want the hammer so they can do that to me. Why people assume that black people want revenge because they know they've been fucking up. Right. You know what I mean? They're like, oh, we would get revenge. It's easy. And that is not at all what black people are asking for or the Black Lives Matter movement.

Well, I don't know if you saw. I don't know if you saw Kelly Loeffler's appearance on Laura Ingraham's White Lady Wild Out Hour on Fox News but she then doubled down because people obviously the league and players were like yo get Kelly Loeffler's trash ass out of here like we don't give a fuck what she has to say about any of this

she then goes on to Laura Ingraham to say Black Lives Matter is a very divisive organization based on Marxist principles this is an organization that seeks to destroy the American principles. And I had to draw the line. Yeah, destroy the American principles of white supremacy. You're right. And you had to draw the line.

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of the, would they say this to a man? No, they would not. Like, why? That was one of those moments where you're just like, oh, wow. It was a bit shocking, but it didn't take any steam away or anything like that. If anything, it was more of the, okay, I'll show you. No worries. Listen to the bright side from Hello Sunshine on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. and we're back and while we're on the the subject of you know white supremacy uh patriarchy misogyny all of that um you know i i think as you know i think the internet and people become more sensitive and more outraged by racism there are more examples of it popping up some are older examples some are current but there's this whole idea of like you know karen's like what what is this thing like karen is the thing everyone's talking about maybe because it's easier than discussing white supremacy so it's easy to just say like white

supremacist woman and then let's call that karen so we don't have to say white supremacy because that still makes me feel uncomfortable um there's all this like sort of talk about it and i think there's a few diff i've seen seen people asking like, what is it? Is that, is there more focus because of everyone's just, their antennae are up and everyone has camera phones and we're seeing it. Obviously racism has been around since time immemorial. Or is it that women have been brought into this more

because it's taking the blame off of men more and that's like a subtlety and i think there are many other takes and i would love to hear everybody else's i have my own ideas about it i have a take as a woman um so okay to me um i think so i tweeted if you think karen is a slur uh I'd like to tell you about a little K word that I've been called a bunch as a Jew. And I got a bunch of Karens in my mentions. When I say that word, this time I mean actual women named Karen. Like in their display name, Karen, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, yeah. Exactly.

Or other just people saying, hey, this is misogynist actually why aren't we blaming the men you know where's the man nickname and like how dare you say that and Karen actually is a slur and I really feel sorry for women named Karen who aren't actually Karen and I especially I have friends whose immigrant moms

changed their like ethnic like their original names to Karen so people were tweeting all this at me and I didn't immigrant moms changed their like ethnic, like their original names to Karen. Yeah. So people were tweeting all this at me and I didn't explain myself. Cause I was like, I'm tired. Um, I'm doing a lot. This isn't worth it.

Um, but the thing that I wanted to say is, okay, the reason that there isn't really a nickname for men is because men, white men are because men, white men, are the men, are the people responsible for building these white supremacy structures. So we don't need a nickname for them. We recognize that they are the architects of white supremacy in this country. Yes. That is why we're trying to tear down the fucking monuments.

Like that's what's happening. And the reason that Karen is a nickname that we came up with is because white women have not really gotten, um, the kind of reckoning for being, yeah. For being the people that were like, Hey,

you've been wielding the little bit of power you had as white women against black people. Emmett Till is a great example of that. The reason Karen is a specific nickname is because that is, to me, the essence of a white woman. When you use your white tears, your white fragility, your privilege to the white men who view you as something sacred sacred because you're a woman and you use that status to terrorize and oppress black people that is being a white supremacist woman aka a karen it is not anything other than your actions and your attitude. And when we see someone actually tearing down that structure, we should be grateful because it's trying to build a better world.

You want a world where even what we consider, quote unquote, a good white woman or what she considers herself tries to ruin a man that was birdwatching. Right. Like this is exactly what we mean. You can't use white fragility and acting like you were scared and acting like you own the space to kick other people out of it. That is what it means to be a Karen. Well, I think more than that, when people think like, oh, it's misogynist.

Take let's take a second. Right. Throughout time, I believe that women are equal to men across the board. At times, women go even further than men have in certain fields. Because I believe that's just a general level of equality, I believe is just fundamental, right? And to think that white women aren't as good at white supremacy as men, I think is a big flaw we have because of patriarchy. To your point is that the emphasis has been put on the politicians.

The faces have been like the George Wallaces and people like that who would go, oh, look at that racist man with the laws. But women have had a crucial role in upholding white supremacy since time immemorial, right? Whether that is because they're the midwives who are bringing children in and they they classify race or you know like you have white teachers you had to pick out if you if there were kids trying to pass as white in a public school

you're like i don't think that i think that kid is miscegenated i don't think they should be there there has been a role for white women to uphold white supremacy at every moment in history and i think to a point there have been moments where white or white women have actually surpassed the men in upholding white supremacy when you even think about like there's this book um that called mothers of massive resistance it's specifically about white women and their role in the politics of white supremacy in this country and it's really interesting because there's a moment where they talk about the civil rights act felt like a huge blow for white supremacists like what the fuck we were trying all this shit and y'all just okay so in a way

the mothers were the women and that were in this movement were upset with the men in power and dc saying look what the fuck y'all did it's because you went too hard on this racist shit now people get it that and the like women have had a really crucial role and even like the de-racializing of a lot of language and policies we have like with school choice or like things like that which are inherently racist things but we use the the role of mother or that gendered role to be like well that's actually above that because that's her role as a mother and we can't impugn that that's actually what's happening for the best of the children so it comes out in a much more insidious way so in a way it's like yeah the thing is i think now we're just

you know i think if we're going to really put our minds around it this has been going on like i've yeah i think i've had just as many encounters with racist women as i have men uh but the idea though i think when some people might think well i think maybe this is trying to shift the blame it's like no no no sir like this is this isn't just that it's it's a whole racial identity thing and to think that if you were a mother raised on this kind of ideology that you would not take your role seriously to protect that that sort of cultural value like like, come on now. So really, I think it's just interesting moments in general,

like, because now I think people are starting to be like, right, like this isn't, the emphasis isn't just men. I think because of the way we think of violence and power, that's those are exclusive spheres of influence for men. But it's, know we and we all have to see how everyone exercises their power in the way they can how about this what if we use the platform since obviously we use our platform to call out karens why don't we have an antithesis for karens because you know we also i also have a lot of friends who are allies who are white women and uh let's popularize the name for that uh the first one that comes to mind is

like jane because of uh jane elliott was such a badass and an anti-racist educator let's like why don't we popularize what about maxine i love it i love it i mean let's just popularize come on maxine shaw uh maxine water come on come on because they want I love that they want they the people who are doing that are looking for attention or responding to a lack of attention or whatever it is let's appeal to the human psyche of narcissism

and then be like great do something that is actively anti-racist and promotes equality and or equity in a way yeah anti-Karen hits hard too.

I love that. I mean, let's do it. Are you Antica? I love that. I love that. Make those popular. Let's like lift up allies too, maybe in a way that will,

I don't know. And obviously I think Karens deserve all the shit they're getting, but also, hey, if you want to not be labeled to Karen, prove to me you're the other name we're going to go with. Also, I would hate to have to incentivize just fighting for equality in this world, too. Oh, my God. I'm hoping we can all do that without some cool branding. But, hey, we get how dumb people are.

If we got to do that, then maybe that's fucking phase nine. We'll play your game. Yeah. Mano, thank you so much for coming on the show today. It's been a pleasure as always. What a treat. Thank you. I mean, you guys are so fun.

And thank you so much for letting me scream. And my God, what material you guys have these days. I mean, obviously, it's fun every single time. But man, it is thick. It's a lot. It's thick with three Cs. Where can people find you, follow you, and what are some tweets that you like?

Yeah. Okay, yeah, you can just follow me at Mano Agapian. Just follow me on socials at my name. Listen to my drag podcast. I do a drag podcast with Nicole Byer called Drag Her. I love Nicole. Oh my God, she's Nicole. Oh, my God. She's amazing.

Go buy her book. And, oh, yeah. And listen to my Patreon podcast with Betsy Sedaro. That's called We Love Trash. We talk about all things trash. Hey, love it. That's our demo. Oh, my God.

The trash demo. Trash culture. Ooh, it's good. We just watched Starship Troopers. I mean. Very prescient piece now. There was an amazing write-up about how that actually perfectly encapsulates the moment we're in. Of like this bizarro, fake, macho shit on the brink of it all coming apart.

Hey, who would have known? Who would have? Old old paul verhoeven um what's what's some tweets you like or other acts of social media you know i will say i mean i well i can't stop talking about nicole byer but recently someone tweeted like nicole byer um A thread of Nicole Byer as chocolate dipped strawberries. Yeah. And it's just different pictures of Nicole Byer. And then extra pictures of chocolate dipped strawberries that you could say it looks similar. It made me so happy. I love it.

Sophia, thank you so much for hopping on the mic today and rocking the mic one more time with me. Where can people find you, follow you, buy your album? That was number one on iTunes, whatever. Oh, my God. Thank you so much for asking. I do have another podcast with you, Miles Gray. It's called 420 Day Fiance.

We talk about 90 Day F talk about the number one rated podcast that's right but hey it's number one confidence that's right and um you can also listen to private parts unknown my other podcast and you can buy my album father's day on my website sophiealexandru.com and follow me me at TheSophia on Twitter and Instagram. S-O-F-I-Y-A. Okay, that's how you spell it. Thank you. Is there a tweet that you like?

You want to shout out? Actually, it's funny that you brought up Nicole because I watched her little compilation on her Instagram this morning of her favorite Emmy-nominated moments. I just did quotes. No one can hear that. But basically,

yeah, it's the first one is her rolling off the table. And I watched that like 80 times. Oh, it's so funny. She's such a fucking talented comedian. Like everything.

Voice, jokes, delivery, fucking physical comedy. I am the biggest Nicole Byer byer fan that's all so buyer b way and she's an she's just an incredible friend and person and i can't say enough of like she really lifts up her friends in a way that she is man she's the best she like actively tries to make just to lift up everyone around her which i think is is not is rare you know what i mean it's it's not that she's just thriving she's like i'm thriving

and then how do i help my friends too it's man she's she's an angel from heaven she's an angel we love the angels from heaven yeah uh some tweets that i like one is from at doctor to be tinnin uh it says when a black woman says you know what don't even worry about it you should definitely worry about it another one i think this is a perfect companion tweet from at roy wood jr if a black person tells you you picked the right one today you in fact did not pick the right one today. And finally, last one is from Blair Saki, friend of the show, at Blair Saki. She said, I still feel like the name Rob Riggle is a better fit for me than it is Rob Riggle. That is so funny. I don't know why.

I'm like, yeah, I could start calling Blair Rob Riggle. We got Rob Riggle in the building. I can see her as a Rob Riggle. She's got Rob Riggle energy. She's got the Rigg vibes. Anyway, so you can catch us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist, on Instagram at The Daily Zeitgeist. We've got a Facebook fan page, and we've got a website, dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. Footnotes, thank you.

All right, and I know before we we go we know it's the weekend you say what what are we gonna watch on what are you gonna watch over the weekend to talk on monday what are we gonna watch well i think we were alluding to it earlier in the week clearly all half the earth has been watching hamilton i started watching it uh i got some thoughts so we will be watching the musical hamilton i think it's on disney plus or wherever you get it you know you might have you might find a bootleg somewhere. I'm not going to tell anybody. But that's what we'll be watching. So get your musical boots on and your

critique hats on because we will be discussing that on Monday's show and we will figure out if Alexander Hamilton really had bars. What's the show? The Daily Night Guys. It's a production of iHeartRadio. So if you want to check out the iHeartRadio app, check that out or wherever you get your podcasts for free.

Plus, check out that website to figure out the song we're going to write out on. That song today is by Saib. S-A-I-B. And it's called Jet Set. And the image of it is like a grainy photo of like a beach from the 80s. And when you put your headphones on, that is where you will be transported to. It's got a nice samba sample and good little backbeat to it. And I just like that sort of degraded audio sound of old Brazilian tunes,

but then turned up a little bit so you could play it at brunch or something. A little ambiance. Yeah, put your headphones on. Put that Portal app on where you can just hear the sounds of the wave and then just go get your sun rays on. Go somewhere else and get your tan. All right. We will ride out on that. Yeah, exactly.

We'll be. Oh, yeah. Get you some Bossa Nova. Go get you some coxinha. You know, some pão de queijo. Oh, shit. Oh, I love Bossa Nova, the restaurant. Don't get him started on listing every single.

I love feijoada. Please. So, yeah. Check us out there, wherever that was. That's a habitual thing that I always say, but we will be back later to talk about what's trending. Take care. See you then.

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