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Episode Date: March 16, 2021

In episode 832, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Kenny DeForest to discuss Oscar nominations, Biden's tax plan, the Buzzfeed food quiz, the Oreo x NBA Dynasry collab, Spain testing our a four day work week, and more!FOOTNOTES: Number of movies released in the United States and Canada from 1980 to 2017 Number of movies released in the United States and Canada from 2000 to 2020 The 20 Best Documentaries of 2015 BEST OF 2015: FILM CRITIC TOP TEN LISTS Oscar nominations 2021: See the full list of nominees Biden Eyes First Major Tax Hike Since 1993 in Next Economic Plan Here Are 60 Foods — Tell Us What You Like And We'll Guess Your Age The NBA Is Partnering with Oreos and We're Getting Team Logo Cookies Spain to launch trial of four-day working week Economics of a four-day working week: Research shows it can save businesses money The 4-Day Workweek: Has Its Time Come? The case for a 4-day workweek Bill would create 32-hour workweek in Washington Where the Five-Day Workweek Came From Henry Ford started the 40-hour workweek but the reason will surprise you The "40-Hour" Workweek Is Actually Longer -- by Seven Hours New Report Confirms Just How Shitty US Workers Have It WATCH: Mono/Poly - Ra Rise Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Dream Sequence on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 176, Episode 2 of J.J. Lee's Eye Geist, a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It is Tuesday, March 16th 2021 my name is jack o'brien aka and uh this is a song i had never heard of uh before but it has 127 million views on youtube so bear with me what i is I'm sorry for how washed I am. Never meant to be so old. Never meant to be so old.

That is courtesy of Quarantina Fletcher at PinkPolitik. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! DJ Daniel Goodman had a bunch of hits, but Justin's beats are sick, and I think it's fly when Miles stopped by for the zeitgeist, for the zeitgeist. I like that Jack Ware's out in a hosnier, spewing all his coal gas takes,

but Daniel's gone from the zeitgeist, from the zeitgeist, and we wish him love and prosperity i say good riddance to that joke it's funny as as much as i'm like yeah you know he's not working on the show cut to we're my habit of saying cut to we're always talking baby he never left don't don't be self-conscious about your cut to cut to is uh it's great it makes our podcast cinematic people it makes it yeah the zeitgeist cinematic. The ZCU, dude. I'm going to start adding Crossfade 2 and Star Wipe 2.

Star Wipe. 70s public access TV. That was a... I feel like that was by a mole because they got how worn out Anna Hosnia is by me talking about coal gas shit. Maybe Anna Hosnia is by me talking about coal gas shit. Maybe Anna Hosnia is all of us.

Yeah. Maybe. Well, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious, the brilliant, Kenny DeForest! There he is. A.K.A. Milk Purple Stuff,

Kenny D. Ooh. Yeah, that's right. You got it right. Yeah. That's right. The thrill of vanilla, baby. What's up?

How we doing? What's happening, man? Good, man. What's new? What's popping? How are you? Man, I'm just riding it out. Just hunkered down in the bunker, baby.

Hunkered in the bunker. That's right. I got my quarantine beard ready. Looking like I just stormed the Capitol.'s up good to see you yeah did you get self-conscious about that on january 7th you're like what have i done yeah listen i'm i'm prime i'm primed to be a mole baby send me and they'll accept me with open arms exactly we need you kenny out there is that a rod stewart sweatshirt it is. It's a Rod Stewart sweatshirt, man. Love Rod Stewart. That's a beaut. Where the ocean meets the sky, I'll be sailing.

And the spirit is singing. Oh, beauty. All right, Kenny, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about today, such as the Oscarcar nominations uh were announced yesterday so that means it is our time to revisit the films of 2015 i like to do a five-year window look back uh at what what has lasted what would get the award if uh they allowed it allowed movies to sit for five years, which I think is a better way to award worth in the film industry. We're going to talk about Biden's tax plan.

We'll talk about that BuzzFeed quiz that tells you how old you are based on food preferences. Talk about the NBA Dynasty Oreos, all of that, plenty more. But first, Kenny, we like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? Well, so first of all, I use Ecosia. Do you guys know about Ecosia? That's the search engine I use. I encourage everybody to look into it. E-C-O-S-I-a they don't uh track your data and for every search they plant a tree so they're a benevolent oh yeah right uh i use ecosia and i thought you were gonna say like when you're spelling it i was being like please don't say e-c-o-c-i-a ecosia check it out it's really cool cia.org and you don't want to type in all of your secrets yeah yeah but i the most recent search was

astral projection uh i watched a show i don't even want to say i don't yeah really was it yeah yeah but i won't say what it is either you watch the same show probably yeah i watched it last night we watched three episodes and i was like out on it so i just read the plot summary uh for the last three episodes and i was like what the fuck i had to like check multiple times to make sure i was reading the plot summary for the for the right show because wait what are y'all time on we can't tell you the show because it's so out like far from what it advertises itself as and far from what it is for the first three episodes that we i can't i can't tell you yeah even worse in marketing people can search astral projection uh plot twist and they'll find out what it is but i don't want to fuck anybody up if they don't yeah like it is a spoiler to

know what we're talking about wow it is so wild now you got me being like what the fuck you i want to know the fuck justin you you can bleep this and uh and and we'll say it right now one two three did you see the did you see the trailers for that yes that's okay yeah that is i loved it we loved it my girl and i watched it in the night um yeah okay like it was like the first time I'd been up until 5 in the morning since I was in my 20s. I just couldn't stop. And that's with the help of Daylight Savings. Yeah, exactly.

I got the assist. Farmer's Almanac with the assist. Exactly. Keeping me feeling young. Yeah, so I was researching that. How to do that. How to do that if it's actually how to do it yeah would you learn uh it sounds like uh some cool websites i met some pretty trippy people though on the internet that's exactly right yeah yeah it also like opens up it feels like the sort of thing that like has

such limitless potential that there should just be an entire genre of like movies about that because like at a certain point it's like oh so this person's that person and that you know you just get to this is so confusing i'm like i have to watch this shit now. The way you're talking is amazing. It's wild. But yeah, ask for a projection, guys. But OK, but just without the spoilers, given that the show is good, though, even though it took it took you it took a turn you didn't know was advertised. Jack was obviously not into it. I was not into it in the sense that I knew my wife was going my wife was going to stay up all night watching it and i was not i did not want to do that so i just read through the end i do that sometimes for for my own

sanity sometimes there's that thing if you're watching a show in bed and it's like i'm gonna keep going you're like leave me yeah i don't have the energy and you're clearly turnt up on this and i'm not so yeah yeah I thought it was great. It was just like the, it was one of those shows. Cause I, I'm a lot of people like this, but when I'm watching the show,

I'm trying to figure it out. You know, we're hitting pause. We're like, all right, here's what I think is happening. Here's what I think. And the fact that it was not,

I mean, I was, I might finish it. I might finish it still because it really does like give new context to some of the performances like some of the performances are like better than i realized before i knew that plot twist 100 yeah 100 because with the whole time we were like well would he really be like that yeah but then now that you know you're like're like, oh, I guess I would. Right, right. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah, this might be the most incomprehensible five minutes of this podcast we've ever done, but it's still... It would be incomprehensible if you had watched the first three episodes and hadn't Googled the ending. Kenny, what is something you think is overrated?

I feel like the impact of Twitter. That's something I've learned. Like things keep happening on Twitter and I'm like, oh, my God. And then I'll talk to someone that's not on there. And they're like, what are you talking about? No one knows. I went on the road last fall and I was I had all these jokes about stuff on Twitter and people in Ohio were looking at me like I was from a different planet. They were like, we don't we watch the local news.

What is this? Mr. Potato Head has a gender. What are you talking about? You know, I know when no one cares about people on Twitter talking about. And so and like this whole thing is like a cancel culture. It's like, yeah, you're canceled on Twitter to like 2000 people that don't leave their house. No one cares. Everyone's fine.

You know? Yeah. It's interesting to see that the difference of like how people look at the things that are happening on Twitter as it relates to like outside IRL reality and the stark contrast in it is really something i think it really you think it's really good to like embrace the fact how overrated it is in the context of if you have like social media induced anxiety like if you're on twitter and you start being like oh shit i'm doom scrolling i think the world's fun to get off that shit for a second and remind yourself you live in the real world and go talk to people like in your community like that's that's the realest shit to twitter you have like because those are people you will rely on at some point not fucking avatars who are like yeah right well that's like another thing i learned in that tour i was in the middle of the country and if you like read twitter

everyone in the middle of the country is a racist idiot and you like go out thinking that and then you do shows and people are like thanks for talking about that stuff or i don't know it's just like right it's not as stark it's not as black and white as twitter makes life seem yeah it definitely helps contribute to that cruel world syndrome that people can get and i think especially when in a year like the last one we've had where we've unfortunately not had the ability to go out into physical space that much and connect with people on that level yeah that's that's a good point of to why the trauma of this year is like part of it is induced by the media we consume whether that's broadcast media or social media yeah i feel like twitter's uh use right now is

to like bubble up stories that then the mainstream media might find useful. Like the Dr. Seuss thing that we're going to talk about later would have in any ordinary universe been a story that just existed on Twitter. But because the Fox News kind of ecosphere needed a story to focus on and drown out another story they didn't want to talk about it became like a thing that i feel like everybody's heard about right and i think yeah to your point though too jack of like surfacing stories it's like depending on the ideological bend of something

it's like it's basically ground zero for the culture wars like all the culture war stories are mostly extracted from twitter on some level like obviously aside from like policy things but there are a lot of things that are coming out of discourse on twitter that then evolve into some larger culture war point and then you have dr suits that's getting canceled and it's like what because one person pointed out some shit about it earlier and that tweet blew up. It drowns out the good part. Because also, there's been some great things.

To your point about bubbling up stories, I don't think police brutality gets the traction that it has gotten without social media, without Twitter, without real time. But then everybody wants to be involved and so people start bubbling up their story. And it's like, not now. Can we focus on this? I don't need to

know i don't need to talk about dr seuss yeah what's something you think is underrated uh listening to music in the shower i think it's really a lot of people like quiet time in the shower which i get it but as somebody who uh battles my own brain every day there's something really valuable about just putting a waterproof speaker in the shower and just like turn it on some rick ross and just getting some pure confident energy yeah pumping into your life to start your day and that's the tone man i listen to upbeat happy i save my sad boy shit for the end of the day in the morning it is all you got this go some beyonce on let's go that's your sativa music that's right i mean that's right night you come to emo tracks the darker shit to put you to bed that's right yeah chamomile tea and some sad boys right

so you got rick ross pumping with chevy riding high remix uh while you're lathering up absolutely all day all day i mean if he claimed king and he claimed best then i guess you can call me god Chevy riding high remix while you're lathering up. Absolutely. All day. All day. I mean, if he claimed King and he claimed best, then I guess you can call me God. Great opening line from pusher T on that track. I don't listen to music enough in the shower. Actually.

I realize. Yeah, that's what I do. I don't listen to music enough period. So shower would be good. Although shower is the one time. And this is why I will like put off showers. This is bad, bad window into my life.

But this is why I will sometimes put off showers on the weekend or just at any time. Like when I don't have to see anyone is like because it's the one time that my brain is just quiet and like to itself. And because I have anxiety, like I'm i'm just like oh that might be too much yep just stay here just stay here just stay here just stay here everything's good right here yeah uh honey could you hold my phone up to the shower window for me uh that'd be great thank you um you don't listen even in the house like you don't have i mean what you have the children's are yelling for the devices to like play their own. Yeah, man.

It's a lot. It's a lot of Alexa play PJ masks song, like theme song 20 times a day. Yeah. I mean, I do listen to music. It's just not enough. And when I do, I'm like, God, I love music. Yeah. I feel like that happens a lot, too. Like when we whenever like I'll play music before, you know, quick glimpse into into the show, before we start recording or something, I'll play something like, yo, what's that? Who does that? Who is that? Oh, wow. Okay, I'll listen to that.

Is that Yanni? It's like an enrichment. Sometimes I feel you're coming in from the desert of lack of tunage to drink from the oasis of my passive background music. lack of tunage to drink from the oasis of my passive background music kenny is there something that you think is an underrated driver of culture like when you're out there because that's something i'm always fascinated by with stand-ups who are actually out like touring experiencing the people firsthand that you guys have a unique perspective on like what what resonates and what doesn't like what people are are feeling um do you do you feel like there's something that's a underrated driver of culture honestly probably music i mean not to to stay on that topic but like i think about when childish gambino's this is america came out

you know and that was like i was on the road during that time and it's one of those songs you don't know if you're going to hear it everywhere. And everywhere I went, I heard it in the bar. You know what I mean? I heard Jason Isbell, who's one of my favorite artists, like a folky Americana artist, in an interview one time talk about how he'd go home to Alabama and before the country act would go on stage,

the crowd was listening to like two chains on the jukebox and it's like that's the stuff that i think is bringing us all together you know what i mean like music is i wouldn't say purely benevolent but like it brings people together and it brings people's guard down in a way that other mediums don't and so things get in there and impacts people in ways so yeah i think music is is kind of underrated for its cultural impact. You know? Yeah. I mean, because you would look at like there is that one guy on the sixth who is shooting a rap video at the insurrection.

This MAGA rapper like in you're like, damn, you're there. I did not know that on behalf of white supremacy. But you are taking black culture and you are you are speaking your truth your fucked up truth albeit but like through black sir like did you did you can you take a second here you might be on the wrong side but it's uh yeah it really is there's something about music that has this ability to like because it's like just rhythm is just like oh shit i'm nodding to this and now you're like you're nodding you're like agreeing to the music and you're like uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh and i think fella kuti who's one of my

favorite musicians he said it very perfectly he said music is the weapon of the future like in a very you know philosophical sense but it's true like you know what he as a in nigeria the way he was bringing to people together with his music powers that be saw that as like an organizing threat too but it was through music um yeah there is something super powerful in that sense for sure and it's uncontrollable too i think in our world where uh you know people crave authenticity and marketing always immediately infiltrates every cultural movement or tries to. There's something kind of unfakable about music

and people tend to, I don't know. That's something I thought about when people were like, well, during the Trump administration, there's going to be all these protest songs that come out. And it was like, not really, but it'll be more about the vibe of it. But it just seems like things move differently than people ever expect them to. And just the expectation that something's going to happen almost makes it like, well, that's not going to happen now that you put it out there. It's for sure.

And even to your point, Miles, about the weapon of the future. I was thinking about this recently, but when I was a kid, I got a Tupac album. I was like probably 12 or something. And I still remember the first time I heard Brenda's Got a Baby. I had never heard that song before. And I'm just like a white kid in Missouri in the comfortable ass suburbs, you know, and I heard Brenda's got a baby. And it was like, whenever this sort of like, civil rights movement of our modern time was starting, I kind of remembered that moment. And I was like, it just opened up my eyes to this other world that I had no access to. You know what I mean? And like, I'm not saying it made me ready for this moment. But it gave me a jumping off point. I already had at least like an idea that there was people that live differently than me and had hardships that I would never understand.

You know what I mean? And so it kind of like put me in a place of empathy at a young age that I wouldn't have had otherwise. And then in your teenage years, like you kind of just like any music about a struggle in general, even if it's not yours, like, but if it's like kids in the hood who are just struggling, you'll take that even if you're a comfortable ass suburban teen and you're like, my parents are getting divorced. So, yeah, this gun talk is resonating right now on some level that it begins to like sort of like it obscures or the obscurity is lessened when you can actually be like right there. We all have these different experience, but on some level, like I'm tapping into a thing that might not be a one-to-one comparison yeah but you'd hope creates more empathy yeah and there's certainly the ability to like you know it gets then boiled down and then like corporatized and then it like comes out as like uh more loving it but i i feel like just in terms of what just talking about like the authenticity and like

the direction things move like the the direction is never like prescribed by the powers that be it's them always like trying to react to the reaction the the direction that like energy is moving and then they find a way to like make a bullshit kind of watered down version of that direction and then by the time they figure it out it's moved on in a different direction uh all right let's take a quick break and we'll be right back mtv's official challenge podcast is back for another season. That's right. The challenge is about to embark on its monumental 40th season, y'all.

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seem uncommonly happy with the list. Like there's definitely some snubs that people are mad about. Regina King not getting nominated for Best Director when a lot of people were saying the performances in One Night in Miami were the best directed, uh, acting performances of the year. But just generally, it seems like people are more, uh, pleased overall. And I think

it probably has something to do with, like, I was just thinking about the Academy overall as a instrument for recognizing movies. Like they haven't expanded the number of people in the academy like with the number of movies that are coming out so in the year 2000 there were 380 movies that came out this year it was 329 because the pandemic in 1980 and 81 it was like 161 and 173 um but now like last year it was like in the 800s yeah so it's just they're they're releasing way more movies and the academy doesn't have the ability to go through all of them and like figure out which ones they like the best so it then goes down to which studios have the money to pay for a media campaign and then like review aggregators and all these different like sort of sorting mechanisms that really don't have anything

to do with uh the quality of the movies necessarily so bringing it back down to a manageable level it makes sense to me that they would do a better job this year than in years past i mean is it a is it a coincidence they have the time to look at things and then we finally get two asian actors uh nominated for best actor with riz Ahmed and Steven Yeun i'm like oh yeah and i'm part of me goes i need to start watching movies i took this whole fucking year off from movies i just can't it's a it's been a weird part of my subconscious that like i've not been able to like normalize about being like aside from watching wonder woman 84 and soul those are the only things that were like new releases that i've caught but like those are the only ones you need to see those

are the but i'm taking l's on everything else like i mean i'm gonna watch them but it's weird i've just been whatever this subconscious block is but i feel it's like every year because the awards are going to come around i have to get up on shit so i'll definitely check it out but um yeah it's just i maybe maybe because it was more manageable i felt like i was overloaded i don't know yeah for sure and i mean we're it was just a fucked up year for sure i don't know was it i don't know i feel like i'm being a baby you like being all hard on yourself man uh but see i missed therapy today that's what happened but i do want to uh spend the next month rather than like you know figuring out what deserved it what didn't this year i i think we're too early in the life of the movies to figure that out.

I like to look five years ago at what won, what was nominated, and what actually has lasting power. So these are the movies of 2015 that were awarded in 2016. It was the year Spotlight won for Best Picture. And Mad Max Fury Road probably of the most overall Academy Awards, but it was a bunch of technical things. So that's something that, I don't know, if we could get some Zeitgang participation, I'd love to hear just people's overall impressions

at me on Twitter of what you think were some underrated movies that have a a big cultural impact from uh the year 2015 is inside out count yeah inside out counts i think i mean i think animated is animated is underrated uh comedy is underrated uh in terms of just the the oscars have this tendency i think i think it's like that mechanism that i was talking about before where it's the uhars have this tendency. I think it's like that mechanism that I was talking about before where it's the studios have a sense of what an Oscar movie is.

And so they like focus all their money and energy on like that type of movie when they're like getting it in front of voters. But yeah, there's not like a huge comedy this year that would have jumped out to me, but Melissa McCarthy in Spy is definitely a performance that is worth looking back at. I also feel like people don't get mad if you snub a comedy.

If it's an emotional piece where everyone bared their soul, and then it's like, nah, no it works. People are like, what? This changed the conversation around x y and z yeah comedy it's like yeah the guy farted i laughed but it is it's like yeah but hey can you think about that scene right now and laugh now right yeah see then then you got it that's something that's something you know overall it was like a huge year for blockbusters it was age of ultron uh fast seven

jurassic world and the force awakens so those are kind of and minions yeah which was huge ruined i think child brains forever if we were awarding oscars five years on if minions get like some sort of like lifetime achievement like yeah like some cecil b demille award yeah exactly the the seven dwarfs got an oscar the year that uh snow white came out i feel like you could you could do that for them it is crazy the staying power because like pixar pumps out movies so for for those characters like in fact yesterday literally yesterday i was driving down sunset the car in front of me had a Minion hanging off its bumper, like the little Minion.

Yeah. Like a truck nuts? It was like a truck nuts. It was like a little Minion. Yeah. And it made me laugh, you know? I was like, thank you for that gift. It made me laugh, I would say, even harder than truck nuts make me laugh, and that is a real feat. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, I think Minions are, like, some of the best physical comedy creations of like, just based on the experience. That's Charlie. You were saying, right? Yeah. It's up there with chaplain. Yeah.

Uh huh. But yeah, I like my initial takes are that Mad Max Fury Road probably is the one that should have won over spotlight, even though spotlight was very good. Uh, it, it almost like the cultural impact feels more like a a piece of journalism in terms of the overall zeitgeist like it changed the way we thought about a story in a cultural institution whereas like fury road like has just these cinematic moments that like are just burnt into our cultural like unconscious well i mean

even i mean and for all the talk of like obviously i think when we all look at it cinema is what the studios like lean on in terms of what they feel are their oscar hopefuls but when things like fury road there are so many videos on youtube and people doing analysis from the editing to the composition of the cinematography yeah that it's truly it's you have to like really take that for what like people are studying the movie like i didn't realize about all the center focusing of the like the action and how that played and how we were just taking the film in based on how they're composing the shots and when you see all that shit you're like damn you know and you got an editor who was not doing action who was doing drama who was applying a completely different sensibility to this kind of film and you get all

these other cool things to come out of it so yeah and also sometimes it's okay to just have fun at a movie like the academy doesn't take that into consideration it's like did you cry did you call your mom it's like no i had a great time i did you stand up and shout fuck yeah at the screen should be one of those things that you have because yeah the scene where the dude is uh the i forget suspended on the suspended playing the guitar with flame shooting out of it is never going to be topped. How the fuck do you ever top that? So fun. So fun. I mean, because never before had we had a physical embodiment of what cocaine

looked like until that film. And everyone was like, yup. Saturday night, right there. It was really more the transition from cocaine into meth. You know, it started off cocaine and once he rose up it was like, oh, another flame like my man's gotten into the harder stuff oh no we're up for three days

uh so of the nominees there are three that i feel like have faded uh the revenant is like that's arguable some people really love the revenant i feel like that's not one that I revisit that much in my mind. Brooklyn and Bridge of Spies. I feel like neither of those are ones that people go back and are... So I think we have three spots that we can work with on nominees. So hit me with three. Creed maybe deserves a look. Sicario maybe deserves a look.

Maybe a comedy. But anyways, that's your homework, Zeitgang. Hit me up with some nominees for 2015 movies. The most lasting thing from The Revenant were all the anecdotes about how Inyori, too, was abusing the crew to get the film shot the way he wanted with no lighting and shit. I feel like that is the most lasting thing for me. I'm like, oh, yeah, and then he got fucked up by that bear. That's it. It stops there. Yeah, the that is the most lasting thing for me. I'm like, oh, yeah. And then he got fucked up by that bear. That's it. It's the bear is the thing.

And partially the bear is from the Jonah Hill sketch from the Oscars. So, like, right. It's the self-fulfilling thing where it's. Yeah. I mean, the bear was pretty. Yeah. And not to say again. And I think that's to the point, too, is like that.

There was a narrative of like cinema. It's like in your retu and lubeski back at it again the duo doing what they do and like this time they didn't use lights it's all natural and like i think that's what got a lot of people going like yo you got to check this out because of this stuff rather than like do you he won the academy award for best direction tom uh the tom guy who directed spotlight and then went on to direct Cats. Also nominated and

I don't know. It's like an NCAA title. They pulled the title off the rafters. They're like, sorry, homie. We remember when you cut the net off the hoop. Do you have the net, too?

They're like, yeah, do you? We're going to need that back. Anyways, so we got another couple director noms. This is going to be controversial, but I wonder if Matt Damon doesn't deserve it for The Martian more than Leo for The Revenant. But I thought Damon was pretty good in The Martian. And that's more of a funny, fun movie. And yeah, Leo, that was just a make good for Leo.

Right. Yeah, I feel like you get less of the make goods than if you did this, if you gave it five years to breathe. I think maybe what we need to do is, I mean, not that every year there's a make good, but immediately right off the make good awards. They've been at it for a minute. Let's just give it to them this time right oh hold on yeah then you just fucked over everybody speaking of which the grammys last night like not giving beyonce best song but then like when she won uh for being on best rap song like made a huge deal about it her like having the win for most i feel like that was another example of like award

make good where they're like we we still love you beyonce please don't stop coming to the grammys we were so thrilled that you showed up god if we hope we didn't mess it up yeah not saying she wasn't deserving but just saying that they seem to be trying to correct something and in a half-assed way just do it old school where you could go to mcdonald's and buy a ballot and you buy 50 of them and you your friends just you know goose the system make it democratic like an all-star game yeah just fuck it i'm curious to see what happens wait did grammys used to do it like no no i'm just saying like i'm just describing the all-star game which is my first foray into democratic processes of voting

with multiple ballots. Why can't the people vote? Especially now, the people do vote. It's like there's streaming numbers. Clearly, Beyonce is queen. You know what I mean? It's weird. The people's choice.

Honestly, someone should just make a democratized award show just for a laugh to see like when you let everybody who gives a shit vote right like what that looks like and then if you could actually kind of keep to fuck with like the status quo of award giving as it is because it's so gatekept there's so much gatekeeping involved like i'm like, I don't know. What about people who buy the fucking tickets, too? Where's our award? That isn't the MTV Awards. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, and also then you can boost artists that are just like, I don't know, I feel like SoundCloud rappers would be legitimized because there would be like 116-year-olds being like, ah! My favorite rapper, you can't even spell his name. It's dollar sign sign pound sign uh percentage asterisk right and those yeah that's what is when you look at the streaming charts like that's what people are listening to is right sound also revisiting the movies made me realize i was so broke in 2015 i didn't see any of them i was living in new york and i just i did not go to movies that

whole year i was like looking at this whole list i was like i've seen none of these well then i remembered because mad max i was like if i don't see this in theaters i almost want to wait and hope there's a re-release because it's clearly a theater movie it was like very obvious to me yeah so far it has not happened but i think at some point it'll happen someone five years on we can demand that they re-release it yeah they would also all these movies would have an excuse to re-release it like i think one of the arguments against doing this is like well this gives new movies like a boost but you could also give old movies a boost and have the movies that get nominated re-released so people can go check them out years later.

But yeah, that's something that even writing about movies when I was at my old job, we would try not to write too many articles about movies that hadn't been out for over a year because there's just not as many people have seen them. So you can't really assume that they've kind of soaked in. Right. All right. Let's talk about Biden's tax plan. Less important stuff, right?

Yeah. Where's the money, Joe? Yeah. He's doing making some progressive gestures, but not putting it at pre-Trump levels. I mean, the biggest one that I see is the corporate tax rate. the biggest one that i see is the corporate tax rate uh so yes joe biden has a plan from the leakers that are out there apparently this is just being weather ballooned now because he wants to see how many of his donors are like you're kidding me taxes joe um but yeah there's a plan to overhaul the taxes something that has not really been done since 93 with Bill Clinton, because when you start fucking with rich people's money, as we've seen, they will set the fucking world on fire with their paid pundits, lobbyists, influencers to tell you about how bad it is to raise taxes.

When really what we're trying to do is be able to raise enough revenues to fund a lot of programs or whatever the administration decides to do with it. I don't know. But yes, we want more taxes because that will hopefully help fund these programs that we need for people, working people who aren't making over $400,000 a year. So yeah, a couple of the points that have come out is bringing the corporate tax rate from 21% to 28. It was over 38% in 2016. I just want to mention that. So you're not even going back to pre. Oh, okay. Well, I'm just, I'll remember that. Um, pairing back tax preferences for like, you know, pass through businesses, like little loophole closures, raising the income tax rate on individuals where they're earning more than $400,000. Oh yeah. Cool. So if you just a thing now, if you hear listeners,

anybody start complaining about raising taxes, if they don't make over $400,000, tell them to shut the fuck up immediately. And if you're making- Dude, I had a friend tell me, I'm sorry, Just to your point there, Miles. I had a friend tell me he voted for Trump. And I was like, what? Why? Because I know this guy. I've known this kid since sixth grade. I was really surprised to learn this.

Right. And he goes, well, you know, I just got to keep my taxes low for me and my family. And at the time, I'm not kidding you, dude. He worked at like, he worked at a store in the mall. I was like, bro, this isn't a, you ain't, what? This ain't, no disrespect to worked at a store in the mall i was like bro this isn't a you ain't what this ain't no disrespect to working at a store in the mall no no no i love no but don't have solidarity with these other that's not no no no you don't need to be in solidarity with you bro you're not going to see more money you're that's what yeah we're talking about the the

motherfucker you complain about who's not paying you enough. That's who's going to get it in that. That's who's going to get bit with that tax bill, not you. And so, yes, please don't have this weird solidarity with millionaires, please. This is a very easy thing to do. Expanding the estate taxes reach like so again, shoring up some of the laws to be a little more wider reaching. But the biggest thing is there's no wealth tax right and that's something that i think a lot of people were hopeful you know and biden said he would listen to people like elizabeth warren or bernie sanders on stuff like this that that would be something that would factor in because it's that's just money that's

in there right what what do they need to hoard all of this money for you we need to take a little bit off the top on that so uh yeah i mean it's just that's the the wealth tax and it just to distinguish it from the uh like heightened taxing of people over four hundred thousand dollars like the people over four hundred thousand dollars are seeing an increase of like 1%. And then you get up to $800,000 and it's a little bit more than over a million. It's a little bit more. A wealth tax would be like significant taxation that didn't exist before on people who are making like hundreds of millions of dollars. It's also like, have you ever been around someone who inherited wealth like it's bad for them poisoned

absolutely poisoned it is a cursed bag of money that is being hot potatoed down generation to generation each one becoming crazier and more detached and more depressed like I used to live in Bushwick and you would see it like in Brooklyn

like the trust fund kids that you know don't even I remember asking one kid what are you paying rent he goes oh I don't and more depressed. Like, I used to live in Bushwick and you would see it like in Brooklyn, like the trust fund kids that, you know, don't even, I remember asking one kid, what are you paying rent? He goes, oh, I don't, I don't know.

And it's like, and he would just sit at this coffee shop slash bar and drink beer and shots all day and he had no reason not to. He was just,

lived his life hammered drunk and he was a wreck. And it's like, bro, you need a job. You need to need a job. You need to do something. You need drive. And it's just like, that's the thing is, it's like bro you need a job you need to need a job you need to do something you need drive and it's just like that's the thing is it's like it's very bad for poor people and we've

we've covered that let's also talk about how bad it is for wealthy people like that amount of wealth is bad for you it makes you fucking crazy so maybe get rid of something to live for you know exactly it's like it's bad for everybody involved. So why are we fighting for it? Just give them, you know, like let's let's make like a little daycare for billionaire kids to pretend they got a job and give them a weird little sense of self-esteem where they're like, I made six copies today. But that's good for you, bro. Get your ass on out of here. That's the whole mentality when you meet those people who inherited a lot of money like yeah that's the whole thing is like they realize at some level that they're like

protect like they have this like air where they're like terrified of being accused of like not being worth shit because they inherited it like puts them like you said can it puts them in a bad position like from jump street like they're in a bad place from a very young age because they rightly are like, man, I didn't do shit. Yeah. It's hard to even look at. I grew up with kids whose parents had enough money that they didn't have to do shit ever. didn't have to do shit ever and to the point where like they defanged declawed them from having life skills in general because everything was done for them and in their adult lives they are trying to fill these voids with buying shit drugs alcohol whatever because they got this very skewed

sense of what it means to have any self-worth of just sort of like i don't know it's i get everything and life is great but when you get into your adulthood that shit will really fuck you up because you see all your friends who are like damn they gotta they're doing all this and that and i'm just like kind of partying but like you know like it yeah whatever i mean granted at the end of the day they have all their money they can cry on their giant pillow but it's it it sucks when you try and look at things like the wealth inequality in this country, you have someone campaigning on like, I can do something. We have ideas on be like, Hey, Warren Buffett, you have 80 over $80 billion. How about we come for some of that? And a wealth tax would give us what over almost two and a half billion dollars of his wealth to begin to help properly like rearrange things. But then you get

a bunch of opinion pieces in the Wall Street Journal. Literally today, in the Wall Street Journal, there is an opinion that says Warren's wealth tax would wreak damage. It's ridiculous. And these people, they sit there and they go, we want peace in the streets.

Look at all these thugs rioting. And it's like, why don't you fucking give people a place to live and education and health care and they won't be in the fucking streets you can literally pay them to not do it that's all it's all they're asking for all they're asking for is for you to pay them and still be the richest person that has ever existed yeah right and motherfuckers will be inside no one wants to be in the streets people want to be at home playing xbox they don't want to be out there they want to put the sticks down and go hold the sign no one

wants to do that it's just like and what's crazy too trickle down economics does not work but what does happen what does work is trickle down cost and what i mean by that is all right so i noticed it in bushwick rich kids take an apartment their dad's paying rent so you know what they don't do they don't negotiate price the landlord says this is how much this place costs they go great so now there's an apartment on this block that is being rented out for way more than it's worth because this kid didn't have to even negotiate he didn't even have to try the landlord tracks him as a rich kid he's seen the paperwork he knows he's got a guarantor he's like fine 2500 and everyone else is paying 1800 so now everybody else's lease comes due and now there's an apartment on the block that's setting this new market and now these costs are being passed down

to everybody else on the block and you see it in the housing market the fact that like you know i know people that have lost 1.8 million dollar houses in la to cash offers that's outrageous right that's crazy and that just sets the market right and then that neighborhood gets infiltrated by a bunch of people who inherited their money or are like a hedge fund millionaires and then like that neighborhood's no longer cool. And then they just go and chase the cool people out of like the next neighborhood that has value because they aren't there yet. It's a vicious gentrification all around.

Yeah. 100%. Yeah. I'm, I'm fully in favor, man. Like, I guess this is vulnerable to admit on a podcast,

but I'm like close. Like my, my grandpa was is vulnerable to admit on a podcast, but I'm close. My grandpa was a fucking dirt poor farmer. He started a business. He grew it. My dad took it over. I had the choice. And I looked around and I was like, if I step into this world and I don't work for something,

I'm going to be that guy. Have you seen the show Duck Dynasty? It's like an old shitty show. But it's funny. It's like the grandpas that started it are all grizzled like arthritic hands from working right the sons are like close and then the kids are like baby face frat boys that have never touched the tool right and it's like like and i made a choice

i was like look i i don't want to be this soft basically like i i need to go earn some shit i'm out on that and i'm appreciative of all of it right but like when it comes to inheriting and part of the problem too is people that are in that position don't ever talk about it you know what i mean like i'm not sitting on a gold mine i'm not one of those people but i am willing to talk about it because i think we need to and it's like if there was a tax proposal that was like we're gonna take x y and z of the money that your parents left for you and use it to give it to people that need it. I am like, fucking do it, man. I didn't earn this shit. I

don't want it. Like I want to earn my key. You know what I mean? And cause it's also better for me. It's better for society and it's better for me. I mean, earn it or not, you know, like that's, I think that can kind of be a loaded term, but at the end of the day, you're open to the idea that you have things that you're willing to share with other people regardless and i think that's just a sentiment that whatever through media or you know consumer culture we just can't so many people are still just like they have like the thought ends up being like help people what yeah what they do because i'm out your grandfather works hard and i get it because everyone is being ground down to the bone.

So it feels fucked. Like some people's like, well, why? Oh, but I need help. I know. That's why let's,

let's start looking at the people who don't need help at all. Right. Take their shit. How about that? How about that? And it's also for $400,000 a year, you still become a millionaire in a flash of an eye. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. It's a couple of years of that you'll be on your way right the other way that the like sort of an underrated way that the current system damages the country is billionaires and trillion like the warren buffets of the world like that dude spends all his time thinking about what to do with the money he already has and like philanthropy in quotes but like his philanthropy is like kind of racist and like focused on like uh population control and shit because yeah there's just this like built-in assumption that like well you can't

give it to the government it's like what why the fuck not i just you know because we don't pay for the wall street journal i just want to read part of this opinion piece before it hides behind the paywall because it sums up exactly whenever look biden there's talk about a wealth hike of course right on fucking time the wall street journal the voice of fucking wealth hoarder goblin motherfuckers comes out with this opinion piece as if it's from a guy from just bethesda maryland and it very well could be but it's someone who's zip fucking mainlining the beer bong and the kool-aid right and it just says so they go on to attack the this idea of a wealth uh tax they said rather it said the policy prescription isn't primarily about raising

funds although she would no doubt be delighted if the U.S. tax coffers grew as a result. Rather, it is primarily about turning ultra millionaires and billionaires into the boogeyman. Is that Ronald Reagan? It was the government for Donald Trump. It was the press for Elizabeth Warren. It is rich people who share an evil trait. They all regularly engage in the obscene act of wealth accumulation yeah yeah that's true that's what people that's what people besides the people who pay a hundred dollars a month for your fucking newspaper thing uh they have that article by the way on tap like like it's an obit for keith richards they just have that ready to go like whenever it's also it's

also like once you have a certain amount of money, your money makes money. The idea that you need over a certain amount of money, it doesn't matter how much they take from you because it's just sitting in a hundred different funds, earning interest faster than you can spend it.

What the fuck are you talking about? It's this idea too. If you cap it then what's the incentive to like start microsoft well you know you'll still be a hundred millionaire you think the guys have been you know what i don't think i'm gonna invent the computer because i'll only be a hundred million yeah fuck that watch because there's billions of people on earth who have will do it for less who have a vision for their own future that doesn't require millions of dollars. Most people's dreams are just to fucking survive, to be comfortable, to take a fucking weekend off, hug your kids, catch the game, whatever.

Be with your family. Not, oh, I need I don't fuck that. I'm voting for Trump because I need six yachts. That's that's a that's not right. No, most people are trying to just fucking live. Nobody's moving to another country because they can't pay for their sixth yacht. Like that's that's not what they're going to move to another country because you have let the social fabric and the social safety net just degrade to a point that it's no longer a place that. And what's also infuriating is these billionaires get the money back. That's the thing. Trickle down economics does not work. you know what does trickle up you get people that need money money they spend it

immediately because they have all this shit that they need and you know they buy it from your green areas you're the ones that sell all the shit so if you're jeff bezos if you give out 100 million dollars you're gonna get it right back because everyone's gonna go on amazon and order all the shit they need right it's crazy well because jeff bezos thinks they're like well i don't know people like that i only know other billionaires and if you gave them 100 million they're gonna turn them put that in mutual fund like what the fuck like no you don't even know people y'all don't even fucking know regular people anymore also i thought this was a good uh kind of window into the wall street journal uh readership an opinion piece that i just like copied the headline

down over the weekend uh wall street journal opinion piece that was trending how to say no when your adult children ask for financial help it's like it's like the uh yeah i mean it's what it's what uh the movie nomadland like the fact fact that there's just this generational cliff that we fell off in terms of wealth accumulation and the older generation is just like, stay the fuck out of my way, man. Like we're going to carry this with me to the grave. Yeah. And then they'll give it to their fail kids. Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. MTV's official challenge podcast is back for another season.

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that they're going to tell you how old you are based on your food preferences. Just picking 60 fucking items off a list. They're saying, we'll zero in on your ass. Just click what you like off this 60 item menu, motherfucker, and we'll carbon we'll zero in on your ass knowing if you like just pick just click what you like off this 60 item menu motherfucker and we'll know we'll carbon date your ass we'll cut you a half and count the rings so i just want to first allow people to know what's on this list because it's interesting they're the way they're trying to triangulate things the first 30 are definitely like young people right dishes acai bowls avocado toast impossible burger crone nut kombucha charcoal ice cream okay fine zoodles cold pressed juice you get it and then the next list is more like okay let's see how how old you

are with it ambrosia meatloaf fig rolls butter pecan ice cream which i was like well hold on don't act like there's an age to butter. But that shit is. Yeah. What the fuck? Coleslaw, potato salad, fruitcake, licorice, jello, oatmeal, raisin brand shit like that. So I went through, I clicked what I like and I will report that with near, I will be 37 this year. It said I am 38 years old. And it got me within two years.

It said I was 38 and I'm 40. So. And it got me within four. It said I was 38 years old. And it got me within two years. It said I was 38 and I'm 40. And it got me within four. It said I was 38. I'm 34, but I'm an old soul. There you go. See, Dan, so we all clocked in at 38? Yeah. Maybe that's just what,

maybe it's just like this, our average readership is 38 years old. Just tell everybody they're 38. I just did a experiment where i picked none on the first screen and picked like the ones that i chose from the second screen uh and it said i was 50 ah and the wording we were close weren't we if not there's probably a food or two you checked off that you don't actually like what all right guys settle there was a couple that were like a clear trap it was like jello molds and it's like okay

hard literally hard candies it's like come on that's that's you know what they almost caught me though because i was thinking because i like i, I was like, well, what kind? You know? Yeah, I said, I like hard candies. I like Jolly Ranchers. I like fucking Blow Pops. But they made it look like the grandma and grandpa candy dish that you were always disappointed you pulled a candy out of as a kid. And the Jell-O is actually just Jell-O. It's not Jell-O molds, but they do use a picture that looks like the old ass Jell-O molds from

like a 70s cookbook. 100%. Pretzels is an old person food? No. I mean, pretzels, I think, is timeless. Pretzels are timeless. They're timeless, yes. Grapefruit juice is in the old person category, I'm assuming, because it's with like tapioca pudding.

I know. Tapioca pudding is like's that's what they serve to people whose whose teeth have failed them i clicked i clicked it i like tapioca pudding i love it it's so good uh well all right so maybe you did right okay y'all take the quiz too let us know how accurate it is yeah i'm curious if like i if, you know, I'm sure there's some data nerd there who knows like there's probably ones that are really loaded. Right. You know what I mean?

That will swing the age at certain points. So do some sleuthing. I'll get back to us. Yeah. Meatloaf definitely pulled me up like five years. Cause I checked the shit out of meatloaf. Yeah. But I feel like,

Oh, so you're 70. We thought you were at 25, but there's like so many like, uh, new spins on meatloaf out there, like in the, on the,

uh, blog, you know, the food blogs that I could see that being popular one. Whole milk makes me old. Fuck out of here. Well then, you know,

call me Moses. Dairy makes you old. Jack, any dairy. Come on. what are you doing? I, that's the older I get, the less dairy i can take so um

damn take that take that all right uh let's talk about another food story oreo uh has you know this is like to put it in the terms of the sport they're taking advantage of here this is like the biggest layup of marketing ever they did a nba dynasty oreo and selected six teams lakers celtics bulls warriors spurs heat and then just basically trolling every other nba team essentially right so this is where i think this this cookie allows us to enter into yet another conversation about the NBA. Because for me, it's hard when you say dynasty, because even when the NBA, I feel like there are dynastic tiers. Right. For starters, the Lakers and Celtics are in their own category, but like 100%.

I believe that you can come at me all you want, but the numbers don't lie. It's all there. But are they picking a specific, Miles But are they picking a specific dynasty? Like, is it Lakers with Shaq and Kobe? No, there's no. Even the press release was like, to celebrate the NBA's dynasty teams or whatever. Okay, so I'm like, I get that. You know, like, you got Bill.

It's the histories there. The Bulls, 100%. This shit is nailed on. Yeah. The Warriors, I get it. They had their little run with that team. Spurs, I believe that they should be there as well. We were there.

We saw what happened. And then – so this is where it gets a little weird for me. The heat. Now, I understand in 2012 and 13 they went back to back. And then previously before that what they went in like 2006 or something like that so if we're going off of teams who have just went back to back years and then a lucy for their third the pistons have to be in there the pistons have to be in there you can add you can either take the heat out or add the pistons i don't care but the pistons have

to be there the pistons taught mich taught Michael Jordan how to get tough, and I think you can't undervalue. They beat the shit out of him, and he started lifting weights. So I feel like that has to be added there. Then you got the Rockets, the Tootsin Rockets with Akeem. They were back-to-back.

I mean, they didn't get that Lucy third, but they were in the Western Conference Finals for years. Constantly. The Jazz even. If it wasn't for the Bulls, but they were in the Western conference finals for constantly. The jazz even like that. If it wasn't for the bulls, the Stockton and Malone jazz are just living in the Western conference. Big goose. I know you're talking about that championship.

Them and them and the Clippers. I'll love to see that always. But yeah, I mean like it's, I don't know. I don't know how, what would you consider a dynasty? Because you know,

the, the, the Sixers have three rings although they're all over the place like they're they're separated by many years they they did when i was like 10 or something i remember this like crunch bar uh promotion they did where each nba team that had won a title got a crunch bar and i think it was like focused on like the best so like uh the 77 blazers i like saved that until it melted uh and like that that was kind of dope but like i feel like this i don't know like it feels almost like it it should be honoring just the team

because yeah like you said the heat have three but then like there are franchises that have more than that that aren't on here right right that's well no not well there are franchises that have more than that that aren't on here, right? Right. Well, there's no one that has more than three that isn't on here. Really? The disrespect starts happening at the three titles teams, which leaves out the Sixers and the Pistons. Oh, wow. I didn't realize that that few teams had titles. And then when you're talking about people with deuces

that's the knicks and the rockets and then everyone else is just singles right but it does feel like this would be more interesting if they were if the kobe shack lakers got a separate one and the magic worthy kareem sure uh lakers got another one and the which celtics hmm i guess it would be bird and bill ruff and you could do the you know jerry west and like wilt you could there's there's many you know you can mix it up yeah i also feel like a dynasty is like the same core of players winning multiple titles over a stretch of time yeah you know that to your point like the lakers are a dynasty of a franchise but they had multiple dynasty teams is kind of the deal and that's why the warriors count right it's like the steph clay

draymond you can clearly say all right it's this core guys right spurs tim duncan manu tony parker um the heat is all wade like they're all wade wins earlier earlier in his career with shack and then with the heetals the heetals yeah and then yeah i i don't know it's interesting i feel like they should have gone bigger uh but oreo always has me man when that when they release a new a new flavor i'm always there to give it a shot um and i'll probably i did not get the Gaga Chromatica Oreos because that Chromatica is not a food but NBA Dynasty is a food is a food that is my doctor said I have NBA Dynasty deficiencies so I

also the cookie the chocolate part of the cookie is like dark black like the rubber in the basketball. So that's kind of gross. It is? Extra gross. I feel like it is. Don't you think it's like dark? It's really like blackish. It's like charcoal color more than it's chocolate color. Yeah. I've always thought that was weird.

They're also vegan. How about that? Yeah. Eat all the Oreos you want, baby. Exactly. All right. And real quick, I want to talk about this uh thing spain is testing out uh called a a four-day work what miles just spit coffee all over oh my four what is this some commie fuck fest over there so they are trying out uh it's a three-year program which will partly subsidize the cost of companies willing to try out the four-day work week uh as long as the companies

agree that there will be no loss of salary or jobs so yeah very very much uh something that would make tucker carlson like die on air um if if america tried it but uh probably more sean hannity because tucker carlson does show uh commie sympathies every once in a while but the the only red lines they say is that there would be you can get the subsidies from the government as long as there is a true reduction of working hours and no loss of salary or jobs. Japan, Scotland, Finland, New Zealand all thinking about trying this out. And there's really no reason not to do this because first of all, environmental benefit, which we need to be thinking about more and more starting 20 years ago. And

also research has shown that it makes companies more money because employees are more productive. Wait, more money with let no. So employees are more productive. They take fewer sick days and their costs go down overall. Like Microsoft Japan Institute of four day work week and found that productivity rose by 40% and electricity costs fell by 23%. Damn. I mean, also, but, you know,

just to put that through a lens of understanding Japan as like a working culture, Japan is one of the few developed nations where people will die from overworking at an office job. So, you know, it's culturally slightly different, but that is really something else to look at it like that. Because, yeah, you're looking at people who are being run ragged by their jobs and you're like one day off and they're somehow doing it better, even though we thought they were killing it with their 90 hour work weeks. Yeah. And, you know, J.M., our writer, points out that five day, 40 hour work weeks were basically created uh during the great depression

uh so like the two-day weekend is not an immutable fact right uh and in fact like in the at that time uh john maynard keynes uh speculated in 28 that uh or canes i don't know how you pronounce that speculated canes uh john major in the house what's up there he is uh he speculated that technology would afford people a work week of 15 hours within 100 years uh and the the two-day weekend uh to put it in perspective in america is the same age as uh sir patrick stewart yeah well cool first of all i don't know if you guys have worked in offices i've worked in many i've i've had day jobs uh my entire adult life and i've just been cruising off my trust fund but this sounds fucking awful dude yeah dude sounds like shit there'd be more people to hang out with at the bar when we're just drinking all day

i'm with whatever you guys are down for if it's four days but yeah tell me ken what's it like what do you guys think about the zero day come on get on this get on my program y'all yeah um but like most of the time you're wasting time dude like no one so much is doing shit at an office man it's just like looking at facebook or twitter until your boss walks by and you minimize it and do like 20 minutes of work and they do great job you're doing great and yeah no but it's like the thing is a cultural thing no one wants their grandpa to call them soft and so everyone's like oh i'll work i'll work 60 hours it's like but the work's not necessary but we just don't want the older generations to call us soft even though we are

and it's fine just be soft it's fine right and so we just like nah i'll work 80 hours it's just it's ridiculous i'll work 80 hours and i'll work with asbestos like my grandfather used to because i'm fucking hard it's like i'm gonna mine coal i know we don't burn coal anymore but i'm gonna mine it yeah right now i don't give a fuck about no black lung i'm hard as's like I know we don't Burn coal anymore but I'm gonna mine it Yeah right now I don't give a fuck about No black lung I'm hard as fuck like my Grandfather like because we do have I Think Americans this idea like weird Relationship with what work is because

Like many of us can point to anecdotal Stories of our parents being like man it Was fucked up when I used to work and You're like and then like in our new World of like technologically advanced You know industries and things like that You're like and then like in our new world of like technologically advanced you know industries and things like that you go like but my hands aren't calloused in the same way and my back my spine is functioning normally is this work so i guess i should go harder because at the very least my back's not broken but i can put in triple hours yeah but i

also wonder how full of shit they are man everybody's everybody's version of their story is that they worked harder than anyone that's ever worked because like you look at historical accounts of life and life has sounded like kind of similar like i'm not saying it wasn't worse obviously things are way better now medical advances technology i'm not saying that but like we're watching a show right now called buried by bernards fantastic highly recommend 10 out of 10 it's a funeral home in memphis everyone that runs it is fucking hilarious but the grandma on the show is like always shaming the grandkids and but then they they'll like cut to the sun and it's like she's literally never working she just sits in her

office they catch her napping all the time she's doing nothing like it's just but that's it's i think about comedy everyone's like oh youtube pete you have it so easy like you look in the 90s if you had five minutes of stand-up comedy you got a million dollars in an hour special like right fuck off you know it's like i was reading a story from jerry lewis he's like yeah i'd been doing it for three years and nothing had happened for me i was about to quit oh holy shit jesus yeah there's just from a macro economic standpoint uh for uh kenny i i too uh have read a economics article once uh a 2019 report found that the average american works uh 1739 hours more than the people in comparatively wealthy countries that's a lot um and across almost all countries the richer a nation is the less time its workers spend on the job but which they're like that makes

sense the more output a nation's economy is producing per unit of labor, the more free time workers can have because there's like what like business people call the flywheel effect where like momentum picks up. But at the U.S., as the U.S. gets wealthier, like that mindset that we're talking about is like like we don't let that trickle down we we've got to be hard on uh our workers yeah the difference is like those other countries when like the wealth is going up the citizens on some level are experiencing that on some relative level whether that's through social welfare programs or subsidized health care you know child care things like that that's where it goes but in this country people work harder for all the money to just stay fucking up there and people to just be work harder for fucking less over and over and i eventually you'd hope i think that's why so many people like when are we going to reach this point where a plurality of workers understand that they are absolutely being wrecked by their employers and being squeezed the fuck out for every bit of soul breath oxygen they have so they can just hoard the wealth.

And then when does that turning point come where most people be like, I'm off this partisan bullshit, because at the end of the day, like I'm looking objectively at my lived experience and it's bad. And I know that people who are actually in the ownership class are the ones that are reaping all the benefits while we are suffering. So what can we now do with that? Because I'm done with all this other shit. I don't know when we're going to reach that point. But that is you'd hope that's the realization we're going to make quickly. why is people in power know that if you give workers more time they're going to have more time to realize they're being fucked like that's why some of the uh covid conspiracy theories are crazy to me it was like oh the wealthy did this but it's like the last thing they want is for us to have one year to watch documentaries about how fucked capitalism is which is exactly what we've all been doing for the last year so it's and it's also a power thing like and there's also race elements here too the working class is anytime black and brown people start to get power or freedom or agency wealthy white people freak the fuck out because they're so defensive because they know that this

whole shit is built on a shaky house of cards of racism and oppression and he race cards shaky race cards right these shaky little race cards um and so they just they get out their spear and they go back back back ah back to work and it's just it's yeah and then they don't want to fund the government programs that feed their employees because they don't pay their employees enough to not be on food stamps so you know right and then the media is controlled by giant corporations and then they'll just be like oh it's not them it's immigrants or it's hey did you hear about these uh trans kids trying to compete in sports huh what about that huh let's let's let's debate that rather than like really fundamental issues because the most fundamental questions aren't talked about

on the media which is do americans deserve to live even though they don't have a job or should they die straight up because that's what it looks like right now either work and you can you can eke out a living and possibly do better or you don't work and it's it's it's probably lights out for you and is that a problem coming up next after these messages from g. No, it ain't happening. Amazon is an interesting case study. Just Amazon workers reportedly work 80 hours a week on average. And I assumed, I remember when it was announced that Bezos was stepping back to just be like chairman of the board and no longer CEO. My initial thought was like, oh, that's going to be tough for him. He's like such a hard worker. And then you read the articles and it's like,

Bezos hasn't really been seen at work for the past three years. He never takes a meeting like past noon and is like has a policy of never showing up. He's just been chilling because he's the richest human being in the history of the world. But we have that mentality that anybody who's at the top of this hardworking organization must be the hardest working. That was an assumption that was just built into me and I think a lot of people it's like truly not they might have more education or you know a smarter business sense

but in terms of hard work it's laborers laborers do the hardest work yep i worked on a moving truck in new york city for five and a half years can tell you, the people carrying the fucking dresser up the stairs are doing the hardest thing at that job. Period. Oh, man. You know? And it's the same thing everywhere. It's like,

and those are the people that always get fucked. They try to unionize, and then all of a sudden, there's a whole propaganda against unions out, and all of a sudden, that's being demonized. And it's just, it's really,

the workers here don't feel like they deserve it. And again, it's that mentality we were's really the workers here don't feel like they deserve it and again it's that mentality we were talking about of like well our grandparents worked their fingers to nubs so yeah i guess i just i think of that shit all the time i'm a podcaster you know and i think about what my fucking grandparents did in chicago in the 40s or like what my grandparents did in japan like trying to like operate in the ashes of world war ii i'm like fuck bro but then i have to you also have to be it's it's that's also like a self-torturing mechanism i think it's inbuilt in all of us to just kind of keep you know that's that's a whole other look i'd like i said i missed therapy today but the whole thing about it is

really being able to embrace like the efficiency and what the boundaries are and how much we've come along to say well that was normal then but that's no longer normal now it's like we're not looking at the the media entertainment of the 50s and being like this shit still tracks no it does not right because we've moved on so the same way we look at work also needs to evolve rather than like rise and grind, motherfucker. Right, and if we asked your grandparents right now, like, would you want us to do that? They'd be like, no, I did that so you don't have to.

I want my grandson to be a podcaster. Do you know what that looks like to them? They're like, we did it. We did it. My family line is now podcasting. Exactly. Or thinking about his further back ancestors who are

in a cotton field picking cotton thinking, God damn, if life could only be easier for my descendants going forward because this is fuck,

this is slavery. And what's fucked up is we're just still seeing versions of it now, but now it's like slavery with a credit card so you can buy some sick fits

at the same time right um but at the end of the day it's like you know and jm was mentioning too like even with with ford he was like yo these motherfuckers need free time because i need them to give me their money by buying shit right after i pay them for their work so they kind of need free time so even the even the capitalists were thinking about what the value is to have somebody have enough time have enough money and even in their fucked up you know calculus they're like yeah because then i can get that shit back trickle up maybe it works sustainability in all aspects of american capitalism is like unfortunately like not

the first thing that anybody thinks about and well that is like one thing too like i so i i studied econ in college that was my major i found it very interesting and i always say i have like a capitalist brain and a socialist heart so i'm always trying to like reconcile the two and i think one one problem one issue the left has a little bit is we i say we i i consider myself you know very left is a lot of us have just like hate capitalism so much we don't learn how it works we don't think about it we want to burn it to the ground and i'm not saying that's not the right feeling but you lose the ability to speak the language that the capitalists use right and i think to my point earlier about like we focus

so much on how awful capitalism is for the poor also pointing out hey socialism can also be really good for your rich ass because it's more money in the the purchasing power of the population grows and you're going to get that money back like Like every time a stimulus check hits, all the rich get richer because we're spending money with their shit. So that's, that's the way to sell it. Like, you know, if you had gone to Ford and been like, Hey, four day work week, because people are tired, they want to be with their families. He'd be like, I don't give a shit. But if you go, Hey Ford, you'll get 25% more. He's like, Oh shit. Four day work week. Let's do it right now. It's the same thing with like that McKinsey study we're talking about where the McKinsey's like, Hey Hollywood, you're leaving $10 billion on the table by not hiring black people in the entertainment industry and creating more films that are just more diverse.

You are leaving $10 billion a year on the table by staying entrenched in this rigid thinking. And I'm like, yeah, that's that's. And we were saying the same point. It's like, shit, they might have to dangle a 10 billion dollar carrot in front of the industry for them like, fuck, yeah, we got to do something about this, man. Like if we hire more people of color and and tell different stories like that, that actually benefits us, according to the other capitalists, the smart capitalists that are like, you're leaving money out there, guys. Mm hmm. Right. Well, Kenny, it has been such a pleasure having you, as always,

on Daily Zeitgeist. Where can people find you, follow you, experience you? Man, I'm at Kenny DeForest, D-E-F-O-R-E-S-T, one R, on Twitter, on Instagram. Those are my primaries. And I got a website, KennyDeForest.com. I'm sure I'll be touring again once it's safe to do so. And yeah, come watch me do stand up i got a podcast that'll be coming out soon so look for that and uh that's it man that's that's my plugs go watch

kenny stand up on his uh website or wherever you find it and then uh yeah go see him in person he's hilarious thank um is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying yes uh there's always just like a random viral tweet that's like funnier than anything a comedian has said. Right. So this is at BRJXV. Her name is just B. And the tweet was, I like Seth Rogen. He smoke a little weed.

And it's spelled O-U-I apostrophe D. I like Seth Rogen. He smoke a little weed. He make a little-U-I apostrophe D. I like Seth Rogen. He smoke a little weed. He make a little vase. He stay out the way. Nice. I just think that's great. Weed, weed, weed.

And it's, you know, staying in your lane. There's power to that. Miles, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter, Instagram, PlayStation Network, Miles of Grey, also the other podcast, 420 Day Fiance, where we talk 90 Day Fiance. And you know what? Today,

Tuesday, we're on twitch.tv slash 420 Day Fiance, 420 Pacific. Come through. Watch us, you know, talk the show and many other things. Some tweets that I like. First one from Jamie Loftus, at Jamie Loftus help. Why am I able to just fuck someone?

But the intimacy of asking them how their shower works is too much. There's yeah, there's something about that. Also super, super producer, Anna Hosnier at Anna Hosnier. You know that feeling when you've been in quarantine too long and your boyfriend likes one type of toilet paper and you like another and someone

must die. I'm really curious to know what the two schools of toilet paper are, because I feel like the own it's either it's either too rough that is just chopping up your butthole. And who likes that? Or it's too soft that it breaks apart. But I've not encountered much too soft. Usually then it means it's too cheap. All that to say, use the bidet. You know what I mean? And then you just just just you're dabbing to say use the bidet you know what i mean and

then you just just just you're dabbing your eye at that point you know a day all day baby what a revelation yeah i dab like like you're weeping a little bit exactly um and then a few more the a few people uh from the zeitgang tagged me in this uh tweet from paul palmerieri at this Paul. For those of you who dislike Matt Damon, one time he was at my bar completely shit-faced. He fell and split his head open. And when security got to him and did their safety check, they asked if he knew who he was. He said, come on

guys, it's me, Matt Damon from We Bought a Zoo. And one last one from Liana at KillingGF. guys tinder bios be like six two because apparently that matters why don't nobody give a fuck you make me six to my stomach that's great that's great. That's great. Make me sick too much. A couple of tweets I've been enjoying. The great Dan White, he tweeted,

Well, I already got my stimulus. Amazing how quickly things get done when you have adults in charge. Don't forget, not a single Republican voted for this. It's a screen cap of his bank account. And like, I think a lot of people just retweeted it based on the message but it's like 30 uh only fans transactions where he's tipping women eighteen hundred dollars and forty three hundred dollars and like multiple times, 69, 69. Uh, and, and then it's the four,

1400, uh, stimulus that he has circled, but, uh, just so dumb. Nat tweeted, people are too casual about the fact that parrots can talk,

uh, which I agree with. And then Adam name in, uh, for all the parents out there tweeted, the shining remains a hugely empathetic portrait of a guy trying to get some work done with a child around. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist.

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headphone track you want to put this in headphones because you want to put it straight into your brain like most brain feeder releases i mean look you can you can slap it out of the system if you want but there's something about these kinds of beats that are mixed very meticulously and have great textures to them. So look, if you want to kind of trip out through music, check out Monopoly and Raw Rise right after this. Check that out in the footnotes.

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