The Daily Zeitgeist - The SleepTrender 1/11: Sleepunders, Trump, The Hague, CES, Mark Zuckerberg, Mario AI, Rabbit R1, People's Choice Awards

Episode Date: January 11, 2024

In this edition of The SleepTrender, Jack and Miles discuss… parents ruining sleepovers with the "sleepunder", Trump's judge facing a bomb threat, the Irish barrister arguing for South Africa's genocide case against Israel at the Hague, the Mario AI nightmare at CES, Mark Zuckerberg = Wagyu God, Rabbit R1: a cellphone… but worse (with extra steps!), and the People's Choice Awards nominees!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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saying that shit they just like go all the way up to the... They're edging a sleepover. Oh, God. And they're like, all right, I'll let you sleep over there until 2 a.m., and then I'll come by and embarrass the shit out of you. Yeah. In front of all your friends. They'll like that, right?

When I knock on the door, when they think it's a ghost story. But no, it's just my embarrassing parent. Hey, honey. Who's terminally online. I'm here to pick you up so nobody notices that you peed in the sleeping bag yeah just bring it just bring it don't put it in the don't put it in a garbage bag just bring it just quickly quickly quickly this is uh i mean it just uh it feels like a continuation of like the shit that like our

parents in the 80s were like experiencing when they're like yo what fucking satan what fucking the danger is out there and it's like gradually just become more and more and more protective over protective um it's like apparently like on a continuum parents are just becoming more and more self-described as overprotective yeah and and i get like we live in a world where you so you get so much fucking information you're like i don't know man it's like fucking people got guns everywhere everyone's a fucking pervert i don't fucking know anybody or anything anymore but it uh yeah like this just seems like a a little bit too much uh i don't know i mean i i went to fucking sleepovers i learned a lot about myself i went to sleepovers This just seems like a little bit too much. I don't know.

I mean, I went to fucking sleepovers. I learned a lot about myself. I went to sleepovers all the time. I had strict parents, and they also let me sleep over at people's houses. So that was a recipe for me being just two personalities. Miles, when I was sleeping over, you know what mode I was in? Demon mode. I was in demon mode i was in demon mode brother were you just wild like going off the walls like truly just someone who just got like oh yeah released from incarceration yeah smoked my first cigarette had my first taste of alcohol at a sleepover snuck out we would just just be roaming the streets all night from the time.

You had those parents whose friends whose parents were either not around or had substance abuse problems. Or just honestly were so vibey. They're like, I trust them. And I'm like, we're 12 years

old and we're running through the fucking neighborhood at 3 in the morning. Yeah, all right i like this kind of vibe parenting so i i'm kind of split on this one like i'm i'm not super eager for my kids to like start sleeping over at people's houses but i i don't think i'm gonna be like okay it's a sleep under i will come and like watch over you you know or like that i was gonna be asleep right here right in the same back next to you hey i get it guys you want to hear some ghost stories um oh boy let me tell you about the let me tell you about the crash of 08 what um but yeah it's i i don't know it just also feels like this is we're generally i i notice this too as like now i'm like

a new parent there's so much fucking weird information or quote-unquote experts out there like especially on on especially on social media and stuff like all these like parent hacks and things like that that it really just undermines and i was saying i think i was saying this early on there's so much information that it undermines your own like innate instincts as a human being to raise a child like don't do that like you got to use this tactic like oh don't ever say this or that or that i'm like well i get a lot of those things are useful like i think if you are you know self-aware enough you probably won't fall into these pitfalls of like completely traumatizing your child or like in it like inadvertently i mean

that's always going to be the risk but i think like with just like all of this added information people are just very much willing to just sort of like you know throw their hands up and be like well what does this guide say what does that guide say then being like right yeah i know these parents like i don't think like i have no reason to not trust that like my kid wouldn't be safe there or you know etc i et cetera. I don't know, man. Just, uh, like they said, more information, more problems. Yeah.

One, one carnage at Armstrong, a mother of three children, ages 12, 14 and 20 has never allowed her children to spend a night away from her home. Uh, even with other family members,

she does, however, want her kids to have a normal childhood experience. So she has settled on letting them attend parties if she can bring them home at bedtime. Like, it's just, you can't have it both those ways.

Yeah. Even if that means two or three in the morning. What? But, I mean, look, this is, you do what you want to do. And again, I don't know what this person's background is, that they have diminished trust and even their own family members yeah yeah but like i for me like a family what the fuck yeah that's like step one i'm like yeah i trust them i know them uh so y'all just do what you got to do but do realize that it is humiliation for the kid when you got to get picked up when everybody's

doing the other thing yeah um a couple court stories uh the judge in trump's civil fraud trial uh faced a bomb threat at his home ahead of closing arguments um and then once closing arguments started i'm pretty sure trump started talking shit. Is that? Yeah, pretty much immediately. He's like, they're doing a fraud to me. That's where the fraud is. You're like, oh, powerful words. You should be speaking at the Hague, sir. Right.

With your fucking your absolute command of the English language as a rhetorician. Yeah. So that was happening in the US. And then at the Hague, an Irish barrister had the closing argument on behalf of the Palestinian people and the case that what Israel is doing is, in fact, genocide. And we'll just link off to that shit in the footnotes. I mean, it is very powerful. It's succinct. It captures the frustration, the anger.

Honestly, even as, in her own words the embarrassment that we should have the like or just develop nations to let this happen uh and just standing idly by um it's really powerful and i also know not to make a joke but i I, I, I'm the, the wig thing. She's rocking a wig. It's a tradition to tradition there. Um, it just somehow, even despite that everything rain rings true. And I don't, I'm so bad with,

I mean, not that I know Gaelic or anything like that, but it's just like to see like her name. I was like, okay, I can't even, I can't even try this one. Oh,

what? I haven't even attempted to figure it out. But, yeah. The wigs are, I don't know. I respect it. I respect them sticking out. I respect anyone who's still just rocking with the, like, openly wig. Clowns, Irish barristers, you know.

I think it's, like, mostly in European court. I know definitely in the UK, because, like, anytime I watch those UK crime things like when they all gotta pull up they're like yo let me get my fucking wig on real quick okay okay okay now i'm ready to present the case um but i wonder if like if we had that in the u.s we would have less absolute joker clown type lawyers right or like to be like i mean like you gotta kind of take it serious i can't just be some grease ball up there with pushed back hair and talk my shit if i have to put this little wig on top of it i have to look absolutely ridiculous but you know but yeah the case that south africa is brought to the international court is i mean it's it's pretty iron i don't know i mean like everything you see you're like yeah they're they're already preempting like other arguments that Israel might have to defend what's happening.

But yeah, we'll talk a little bit more about it in tomorrow's episode. But this is just the beginning of a very long process. But hopefully, again, if people hear these words from this barrister, that will hopefully jar some people's eyes open a bit. Yeah. And also talking about things we'll be talking about on tomorrow's episode, just like shitty AI seems to be a trend that continues on abated. There is a shitty Mario AI hologram that is haunting CES 2024.

The just, it's real glitchy. But you can get away with anything by just calling it AI. Yeah, it's like, we get it. It's AI, man. It's not finished yet. It's not the god thing yet, but also, isn't it cool? Yeah, it's like, nah. It's kind of freaking me out, man. Yeah, you're kind of freaking me out, man. Yeah. You're kind of freaking me out, dude. I just came to see which refrigerators are going to have AI this year at the Consumer Electronics Show.

Which refrigerators can I count on to be leaking my personal data? That's one of the new things. I have somebody who works in tech and working, tech and like working on like consumer goods and shit. And like, so much of it has been like scanning your refrigerator to be able to like order food that you might need. Or like another thing is like to be able to look at what you have in your refrigerator and then suggest like, like recipes based on the ingredients you already have and stuff

like that. But you know, the companies like that but you know the companies like walmart and amazon or want to be like yeah man like let us know what's in your fridge and like we'll just auto order everything for you and just very frictionless it's going to be very frictionless so frictionless so thought like they friction aka thought they just want to remove all the thought and yeah the the offer is we can do what you do with your own brain just like way so you don't do it no more yeah but you don't have to do it at all it'll just be way worse yeah so yeah do we don't take don't take going to the store some of us love that i love going to the store. Some of us love that. I love going to the fucking store. I love going to the store. I definitely have that thing from the White Noise novel where, like, I get, like, some brain chemicals, some dopamine rush just, like, being at a grocery store, seeing all the colors.

Yeah. Yeah. I think it's, like, also some shit from childhood because, like, I would always be like, Mom, give me this. She's like, hell no. So, like, it's, like, my same thing with sneakers. I'm like i'm like well guess what now i can go to the store and say yes to everything but i'm still just getting like normal shit but i just i don't know there's like buying like the oreos yeah like birthday cake guess what mom these are triple stuff hold that and people like sir you've been in here for 45 minutes just recording the same clip over and over i'm like the last ones were not good enough i think i got a good take i will be checking out

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Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. And we're back we're back and um narc sucker nerd is in the news again dude because he's the fucking he's the wagyu god now bro i mean it's just so dumb dude i hate

this he's already on his ranch talking about like just you know like on wired we saw like these supposed plans for like his like apocalypse bunker it just sounds like his whole thing carnivore actually yeah exactly i'm the apex predator i'm a billionaire and he just wants to live underground and raise his wagyu cattle and like had this like picture of him sitting in front of like a very big piece of meat um and cursed piece of meat mostly started raising cattle at the kolao ranch in kawaii and my goal is to create some of the highest quality beef in the world the cattle are wagyu and angus and they'll grow up eating macadamia meal and drinking beer that we grow and produce here on the ranch we want the whole process to be local and vertically integrated.

And by local, I mean we will actually restrict any participation by locals in this industry. And he says now each cow eats like 5,000 to 10,000 pounds of food each year. So that's a lot of acres of macadamia trees. My daughters help plant the mac trees and take care of our different animals. We're still in the early early journeys and it's fun improving on it every season on all my projects this is the most delicious um yeah it's just a little homegrown operation of a like how many acres does he have i don't know it's just me and my daughters out here planting hand planting some trees for little cows. And, like, are you, when we know, like, what, you know, cattle ranching does to the environment, are any, are you doing that a certain way to kind of offset that whole part?

Okay, no, no. And the beer thing, that's such a, like, guy who read about Wagyu once type of thing. Because, like, not every person, not every place that raises like actual wagyu wagyu in japan feeds them beer like there's matsuzaka gyu which is one of the places they do but like at kobe like where kobe beef comes from they don't do that shit um and a lot of them don't healthy i would assume to just drink nothing but beer that's like yeah you would be about as healthy as like one of the founding fathers who like you know i feel like when i think about their diets it's like their most of their calories are burned passing like fifth size kidney stones right you know right well why are we taking it

back to a time when fresh water was not available yeah he's i don't know i mean like at least he's he he wasn't wearing a meta helmet when he did it so i mean there's that i wonder if he's if he's finally putting that to bed he's like fuck it dude like let me just raise cattle i think that can do that and like punch the sides of beef like rocky as i train for my fake mma fights like if you tried to fly a drone there, how quickly would a surface-to-air missile just, like, blow that shit out of the sky? I don't know. That would be a really good...

Like, someone should just start a YouTube channel to test how, like, restrictive spaces near billionaires are. Yeah. Like, I wonder, yeah. Would, like, an anti-drone drone fleet then be launched to intercept your drone? Probably.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or did they just do the thing? It wouldn't be spectacular. It would just like quietly come up. It would be five drones that come up behind your drone before it notices anything. It's just like, shh, shh, shh. And then breaks your drone's neck. Hey, buddy, hey, buddy.

You're coming with me. Hey, buddy. You're coming with me. Snap. Like movie style. Oh, you think you're a tough guy. Oh, so you're a tough guy. I think, or just a fucking army of lawyers

just scare the shit out of you and be like, we'll sue your ass into fucking oblivion. Yeah. And maybe that's what it is. Rather, like, we're creating a fantasy world. Like, it's all fucking high tech. It's just the threat of litigation is their main weapon. Get sued into houselessness, basically.

We're at a stage, I need to learn more about this but there's this product that the rabbit r1 a smartphone without the phone part um and people are like it's the it's the new ai assistant but it just it does feel like we're now like backward inventing things where they've added ai to everything and now it's just going to be a slow process of rolling it back. What about a refrigerator that doesn't have an AI assistant attached to it? One that doesn't allow magnets to be stuck to it. What about an underground tunnel system

that you can take individual cars through rather than a subway, which has more seating. This one is just one-offs. Yeah. I guess the whole thing is here, it's like a super app because it uses all these other apps and streamlines

it for you. So you can just be like, hey, motherfucker, I need these sets of tires ordered. It's like the HER. Yeah. The HER AI assistant. If that's what it is, that's I need these sets of tires ordered. It's like the HER. Yeah, yeah. The HER AI assistant. Yeah, I mean, if that's what it is, that's great. I just, I don't know.

I just don't fucking need it. I personally don't need it. I like going to the store. I like going to a mechanic's place and pretending I'm a macho man who understands what's being said and be like, yeah, well, then that's not good, right? Yeah, so let's not do that unless i mean consult my ai assistant quickly sir thank you assistant um give me a very masculine response

to this question about tire treads and then finally the people's choice awards nominees uh were announced i guess which um first of all i was news to me that people's choice words are still a thing um they are going to be hosted by Simu Liu um and it's so two things that I noticed in the awards one The Last of Us did in fact come out this year I still don't i still don't believe or i guess last year but that for some reason that is the most 2021 pandemic ass tv show that totally came out in 2023 apparently um i just i think it's because it was it was supposed to come out earlier and it got pushed back and i think maybe that's what it was but i remember when i wasn't like waiting on it or anything yeah but in the year-end episodes i remember us all being like nah nah that's what it was but i remember when i wasn't like waiting on it or anything yeah but in the year-end episodes i remember us all being like nah nah that's 2020 yeah that seems wrong but also like the people choice were so now like they the way they're determined is through online

voting so they're kind of they they they hadn't heard tell that like online polls are not a good way to make decisions. And so the winner of last year's Best Picture was Don't Worry Darling. But for a long time, I was looking back over the awards and people's choice has a better record, I think, in terms of just picking out iconic movies that like the movies that we remember from that year, right? Like going through the sting, which did win the Academy award jaws. One flew over the cuckoo's nest.

They, they have an advantage where they will pick two movies in a given year. So that's, that's fine. That's good. Uh, I like a push. Star Wars,

Greece, Rocky two. Now look, maybe some people will be like, Rocky 1, better film. I don't know if that's true. But if you missed the first one, instead of waiting 20 years and being like, and now

we'll give the award to Stallone for some lesser work, just give it to the fucking sequel. Just be like, Rocky 2, how about that? Empire Strikes Back, Raiders of the lost ark et return of the jedi beverly hills cop back to the future top gun fatal so like wow the oscars were awarding like out of africa and you know like chariots of fire you know like it was people's choice was like raiders empire strikes back et Back, E.T. and Back to the Future.

Like they had their finger on the pulse a little bit more than the Academy Awards. I feel like in the 80s and 90s. Wait, how come they don't have one for 98 on this list? Anyway, like when you look at the ones in the 90s, you're like, I'll start 89, Batman. Yep. Pretty Woman. Yep. Terminator 2, Judgment Day. Yeah. You're yeah you're good man yeah jurassic park uh-huh forrest gump apollo 13 damn ron howard had him

fucking wave uh independence day liar liar liar liar now that's titanic that's the point at which i'm like you know what like that is controversial but you guys were like on one you were like really yourselves, and you're like, yeah, we're going to give it to Liar Liar on this. Yeah, I think because obviously Titanic was the one that was on the charts forever, but it's like, y'all, people were fucking heavy with Liar Liar. People were fucking heavy with Liar Liar, and rightly so. That is a movie that is burned into my brain from that time period. Oh, yeah. Titanic, Sixth Sense. Fletcher, Audrey.

Yeah. Sorry, I had to exercise those liar, liar demons really quick. The Claw. Yeah, so I don't know. Just a shout out to People's Choice Awards for having a pretty good run there. I feel like a lot of these movies, if the Academy Awards

did the thing that we talk about where they go back and you know, check their work five years later or just like get the award for the movies that came out five years ago and like really had the benefit of like five years of hindsight and see like what actually holds

up. I feel like some of these movies would have gotten the award yeah and the academy yeah also to you know our future alien overlords uh before you invade and you're trying to create humanoids that can fit in with us if you're training them do not use the lists of the academy award winners to try and create you know some semblance of a knowledge about popular culture you absolutely should be going off these people people's choice awards because i don't know how many people saw a fucking crash but i'll tell you what a lot of fucking people saw harry potter or the fucking dark knight you're correct you know people people's choice awards had the had the courage to give the movie of the year Award to Shrek when nobody else did.

The people chose. All right. Well, those are some of the things that are trending on this Thursday, January 11th. We are back tomorrow with the whole last episode of the show. Until then, be kind to each other. Be kind to yourselves. Get the vaccine. Don't do nothing about white supremacy.

And we will talk to you all tomorrow. Bye. Bye. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church.

Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradenti. And I'm Jermaine Jackson-Gadson. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. There's a lot to figure out when you're just starting your career. That's where we come in. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in people who do,

like negotiation expert Maury Tahiripour. If you start thinking about negotiations as just a conversation, then I think it sort of eases us a little bit. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game.

Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.