The Daily Zeitgeist - The State Of Alex Jones (with Knowledge Fight) 07.02.24

Episode Date: July 2, 2024

In episode 1701, Miles and guest co-host Francesca Fiorentini are joined by hosts of Knowledge Fight, Jordan Holmes & Dan Friesen, to discuss…  An Update On Alex Jones, The State Of His Legal Woes, Nutraceuticals, The Future Of Infowars and more! LISTEN: Dance Dance Dance Dance by KaytranadaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is also the podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared, confused, and scared consciousness. Oh, man. Yeah. Oof. We haven't really recorded much since the debate. So, you know, like many of us, we're just kind of scratching our heads and Googling stuff like where to move. Okay. If you have DUI. But anyway, it's, what is it? Tuesday, January 2nd.

Yeah. Or no, January, July. I'm sorry, dude. I'm so fucking disoriented right now. It's January. It's January. Yeah. Yeah.

Fuck it. Let's just, like I said, November, take your time. It's January. It's January. Yeah, yeah, fuck it. Let's just, like I said, November, take your time. It's actually July 2nd. 2020, what could go wrong? Kobe Bryant is doing great. I can't wait to see. Everything just starting off great this year. I'd love to see it.

Anyway, it's July 2nd, 2024. It's National Wildland Firefighter Day. Also, National Anisette Day. I guess that's some kind of liqueur about anise i hate anise that's just the one of the worst most violent flavors to my palate uh my name is miles gray aka the lord of lakersham the north hollywood legend aka the show gun with no gun uh and i am thrilled to be joined today by my co-host, who's a fantastic comedian, journalist, activist, host, parent, walker of gardens. You know, does it all. A fantastic person and one of our favorite people to have on. I'm referencing the time that we all went to the gardens.

Oh, we walk gardens. Yeah, we walk gardens. We walk gardens. Anyway, welcome to the show. My guest co- goes francesca fiorentini aka cheska to the reska the friend with the plan leader of the frantifa stand back and stand by and free palestine stand back and stand by please uh thank you so much for joining me francesca today we have two fantastic guests from a very fantastic podcast. Every time we've talked about Alex Jones on the show, you're like, you know who knows a lot about Alex Jones and Infowars?

The Knowledge Fight guys. You should probably have Jordan and Dan. And I said, we will. That's a very good idea because we would always like to defer to people who know more about us, especially when it relates to something like that. Please welcome comedians, hosts, and wonderful natives of Chicago, Jordan Holmes and Dan Friesen! Hey, hello. Hello.

Welcome, welcome. I have no rhymes nor nicknames, really. I'm just Jordan. And I feel terrible because i bought uh you a bottle of sambuca i i didn't know you were so averse to anise doesn't do it my my welcome gift is like anise it sounds like your ex rather than like anise anise is i think what it is well it's i don't know you hear it both ways i feel like whenever you're watching like chef shows there's like a person who went to like Europe once and they say it one thing. Oh, so in Europe, it's Uranus.

Yeah, exactly. It's an ass. Comedians and hosts of Knowledge Fire. Oh, right. Okay. Sorry. I was doing my best Kindler. I was giving it a shot. I was giving it a shot. How are you guys doing? What's going on? How's Chicago? How's the weather? What's going on over there? It's a dream. I don't know. I barely leave the house. What's the good point?

Are we in wet bulb territory over there? Here's the thing. You're talking to the two of us. I can't remember the last time I did small talk about the weather. I haven't spoken to a human being that's not Dan or my wife probably in three years i mean that very genuinely and you're hundreds of thousands of listeners very normal very normal podcast guy energy i love it yeah i i have to do small talk because in the same way i only talk to jack uh my wife my baby and the random neighbor and i always failed small

talk they're like how you been i'm like tell me about your random neighbor i'm sweating what's going on with them just good you know just uh asking questions you know that i don't like answering because i don't like small talk all the time because i'm always in a light form of panic. But yeah, guys, Knowledge Fight is a fantastic show. I love when comedians help me understand things because I typically learn through the language of laughter or absurdity or irony. And the way y'all do that is absolutely fantastic. It's top draw. And there's so much happening with Alex Jones all the time that i'm always like interacting through like maybe viral clips or the headlines that there's so much you know you forget

that this guy's talking all the time and there's so much to parse through and half the time even with the news articles i read they're not really giving the full picture because he says so much and so much is going on so i'm really glad that you're on because I have a lot of questions. Wow. And like mainly like how do you guys, the show started with the beginning of 2017? Yeah, I think early January 2017. Yeah, it was pretty close after the 2016 election.

It was where the curiosity really became too much. Right, right, right. To ignore. Yeah. Almost eight years then. Right. Right. Right. To ignore. Yeah. Almost eight years then. Yeah. It's massive. I mean, like, you know, Francesca and I, we talk about the news enough and that's already just life changing and debilitating in its own way. I can't imagine doing Alex Jones.

Are you able to find energy? And still living in this country. I mean, I sort of joked about like, you know, leaving. But whenever I sort of am up against the crazy of the craze, I'm a little, there's always a part of me, maybe it's the majority of me that's like, you can have it. Just have it. You know, like if I do interviews and I get a MAGA person who's like, yep, the ISIS tries to recruit me. They call me every single day. I'm like, isn't that just a phone company trying to get you to switch plans?

Like, nope, it's ISIS. And I'm like, you know what, lady? Sure. Just goodbye. But yeah, the fact that you guys... My question is, first, if InfoWars goes under, do you stop knowledge fighting?

I didn't want to go there quite yet, but yeah. Okay, I'm so sorry. No, no, no, no, no. Actually, how about we do it this way? I will cut the both of you off, and I'm going to ask Dan a question. Oh, all right. How do you do it? It's been eight years.

You listen to Alex Jones. How do you not lose your mind? I guess I was crazy to begin with. There's one. But no, two, it's not really Alex Jones. I think that we were listening to him for him at the beginning, but there's so many offshoot things that you can pay attention to that you get a way in from him. Right, right. And so it can be a real bummer to recognize the real world piece of this.

Like politics is real and it does affect people. And that is terrible, what Alex represents. But you can find some baddie stuff too. And that helps you keep your sanity. You find the crazy stuff and then, you know. It is kind of interesting to take like a like the debate or whatever in context for us because a lot of people are panicking they're like ah joe biden he looks terrible and and my instant reaction through our lens is kind of like oh

well he should have been plumping what he needed to do was inject himself with bags of blood in order to gain strength for the debate. See, because in our world, that's what Alex would claim he was doing if he was doing well. So because he's not doing well, he must not be plumping. The right was setting it up. Yeah.

They didn't buy enough, whatever. Nutraceuticals. Exactly. Silver pills, whatever the shit. Colloidal silver, okay? It's the silver bullet. Totally. You know your stuff. Oh, yeah. Look, man, I'm big into nutraceuticals, man.

It's how I'm growing my hair back. You look great. Thanks, man. I'm 22. We're going to get to know you guys a little bit more. But again, like we said, we're going to be talking all things Alex Jones with our wonderful guests. But first, we'd like to get to know our guests a little bit more. But again, like we said, we're going to be talking all things Alex Jones with our wonderful guests. But first, we'd like to get to know our guests a little bit better. So, Dan, Jordan,

what's something from your search history recently that's revealing about who you guys are, what you're into right now? I just think my search history would be indistinguishable from a curious bigot. You know? I can't even imagine

what is in there. Phrenology, right or wrong. Yeah, exactly. Got to know more. Right, right, right, right, right. How to apply for black jobs. From the debate. I'm like, what are those exactly?

Yeah, what about you, Jordan? Well, my search history is just me and my wife occasionally joking around with me. My last search, I believe, was, is pepper a rock? Because we were grinding it through the thing, you know, the pepper grinder. And I jokingly told her, because she was also grinding salt, you also grind salt, which is a rock. A rock, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was like, oh, did you know pepper was a rock, too? also grind salt, which is a rock. A rock.

Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was like, oh, did you know pepper was a rock too? And then she forced me to Google it. But whenever you're forced to Google something that you are 100% certain was a joke, you suddenly question yourself. I'm like, wait, is there a form of pepper that is a rock? Yeah.

That I'm going to find? You know, Google's AI. That's my Google search history. Right. They probably would tell you it's a rock. Yeah. It's a corn. It's like a peppercorn. It's a plant.

It comes off a tree, don't it? I don't know. It's a seed. Yeah, yeah. It's a peppercorn. It's corn from the stock. Yeah, the big black corn. I don't know.

Why is it mixed with salt? That's what I want to know. Why not paprika? Is that the type of pepper you like? The BBC pepper? Yeah. Big black corn. Jordan, you have a history of thinking things are rocks that aren't.

Generally, yes. You also believe that ebony was a rock because of Skyrim. Skyrim made me think if you can make armor out of it, that it's probably a rock. I don't get why this doesn't make perfect sense to everybody. Oh, shit. Yeah, I mean, I get that where like, yeah, the reality of a video game kind of begins to blend in with your lived life. I'm like, I don't know. I don't know if the developers would really make me look that stupid about this.

It's wood? No. I had wooden armor this whole time. Underrated. Dan, Jordan, who wants to go first? What's something you think is underrated? Well, I mean, today we're recording. This is the first.

I think July 4th, Independence Day, is underrated. Because a lot of people now a lot of people want to celebrate the the united states or whatever but i think that's insane i think what we need to do is celebrate the fact that we as a people decided what to do if there was a king and you know if there there's a king, we know what to do. So happy July 4th, everybody take a look at what the Supreme court just ruled. Right.

Happy July 4th, everybody. Yeah. Also independence day, a fantastic Harry Connick, junior vehicle. One of the great nineties movies of our time, I think,

uh, uh, scintillating performances. Yeah, no, clearly we didn't celebrate our independence hard enough. I think you might be right if we could just so easily make kings. Or, I will remind you, queens.

Hell. One can dream. Confused from Jordan there. I'm confused. Are you asking for monarchies? I'm just saying, if you're going to legalize a king, then that means we could

actually also have a queen. I was explicitly calling for the violent overthrow of the United States government. I apologize if that was not made clear. Oh no, I know. You were talking about King George. I was really worried you were going to get patriotic there for a minute when you were saying that 4th of July was underrated.

What about you, Dan? Something that you think is underrated. I don't know how to describe it, but it's songs that are similar to like Mandolin Rain by Bruce Hornsby or Go West's King of Wishful Thinking. There's a genre of like these old, really bad songs. Wait, what's the first one? I just want to just so I can reference it really quick. Bruce Hornsby, Mandolin Rain. What's the setting?

Are we on horseback? Have we done some genociding? No, you're at the end of your rope. Oh, we're getting a filling replaced. Maybe. A particularly emotionally draining filling. Right, right. It's just, yeah, that genre of music, sometimes you just need it.

That was your ex-girlfriend's favorite filling. That's the one you're getting removed. I recently stumbled across a couple songs that kind of sound like that. And I don't know what it is, but it hit me. It hit me hard. I love some songs that are so saccharine or just sort of take you back to some era where no one knew anything about what was actually happening in the world. That's what it is. It sounds like a time when no one knew how fucked up the world was.

And you're like, yeah, dude, fucking mandolin rain, man. Or that's the end of Innocence. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's also in that genre. Oh, The Return of Innocence by Enigma? No, not Enigma. That's also in that genre. Oh, The Return of Innocence by Enigma? No, not Enigma. That's a... But this, by the way, this music video is wild.

It looks like me sitting around with a bunch of jam band guys in first year of college and watching them all play the mandolin and smoking out of a big bong. And being like, yeah, I love this. You are like fish yeah man mandolin well now i gotta what what is i mean it's not like quite yacht rock it's like just sort of that soft jazz this is music to fuck too also that is another thing that's underrated though too is the yacht rock uh web series from oh your channel so long ago. Yeah. Everybody knows. That was actually the way I started listening to Yacht Rock. Ironically, it was

because I loved the depictions of how Kenny Loggins and all of them were fucking chatting shit. And I was like, there's a little bit more depth to this shit. I guess that's what I thought. So would you say that you got on the highway to the danger zone? I absolutely did. uh i looked

at a michael mcdonald greatest hits album and said you belong to me oh man he's a stranger he did uh he did a verse on a holy ghost track holy ghost was like a early thousands dance punk you know like the yeah yeah yeah yeah, it's Brooklyn era kind of thing. And it's just so fantastic to hear his wild ass over a dance punk track. It's just, oh, it's perfect. It's perfect. That's great. He kind of, yeah, he was sort of like in a way like yarling, but we didn't quite know what it was yet. Just like that way of singing.

We're like, there's something infectious about how McDonald gets down yeah you keep you keep forgetting how good he is yeah it's another one of the songs yeah we're not in love anymore keep getting things will never be the same again um i guess i'm on my own there we go we've done it we've completed the circle. We did it. Jordan, what is something you think is overrated? I'm going to go with democracy. Democracy as a whole is overrated. I think people have been telling me this whole time that we've been doing it right. And clearly we haven't. I haven't seen any.

Nobody's ever represented my interests one time. Nobody's even listened to me. Every time I've been like, hey, maybe we should do do this they've countered with no how about more to the military so i say no mass no more democracy yeah let's embrace it for what it is popularity contest absolutely i refuse to participate any longer in the whole thing. You're coming in hot today. That's right. That's what I've been thinking. Well, actually, so here's what happened.

Can I recommend you sit down and listen to some Bruce Hornsby? I think you're right. Think about them pepper rocks. All right. It's my fault. About an hour ago, my little sister texted me asking me if I could pick her up from the airport, from Midway. So my stress has been high and I want to end the country because of that. That's basically it.

Just because you got to go to Midway. Yeah, that's pretty much all I need. And people in LA have the same thing when someone's like, hey, can you come to LAX? I'm like, wow, so I could die trying to get in? Because it takes fucking seven years no no i'm good yeah this thing this thing they call democracy here it's really something especially

when they keep saying things like this is the fight for democracy and this is the guy who will defend it and you're like are we talking about the same thing i think we're having a great time yeah i mean it is interesting that it is still July 4th week. And this is like the UK is having their elections and you're like, yeah, I know they have a King still, but at least they have a parliament. Like at least it's representative.

At least there's more than one party. Could we fucking get that over here? So that maybe someone who doesn't want all money to military could represent us. Nah. They come up with some cool stuff. I mean, I think the country of Brexit is clearly the one we should follow right now. I'm just

saying, would it be such a bad thing to be recolonized? Now we're talking. Now you're speaking my language. So we can throw the shackles of the monarchy off of ourselves yet again. As long as it's not faraj involved yeah right oh god oh nige uh what about you dan what's something you think is uh overrated

i always have a difficult time with overrated because you know like it has such a negativity but i think reese's peanut butter cups you know i don't want to put any person down by saying that some piece of art is overrated or anything like that because people are trying. People are trying their best. Mona Lisa. Sucks. Trash.

You don't want to hear my thoughts on Roscoe, but whatever. I think Reese's peanut butter cups give more credit than they do. I think they're fine. Are you a peanut butter chocolate combo advocate or you are just generally like man fuck i don't give a fuck about peanut chocolate you know i definitely see where it's coming from i can see the allure of it i i see the peanut butter and chocolate how they complement each other that's yeah i i'm not it doesn't miss me

entirely but yeah reese's peanut butter cup everybody puts it up on the top tier. Same thing kind of with maybe a Starburst. I think there's a... Starburst is overrated. No one will allow you to go after Starburst, sir! Disgusting. Thank you. You don't need two citrus in an original. You could go Starburst

the blue or the purple or good, but you don't need two citrus in a candy lineup. That's some bullshit. It's two out of four, too. Exactly. I was just going to say, I couldn't remember how many there were, but no. But here's the thing about Reese's Pieces is that.

Here's the thing, yeah. Well, Reese's. The only other real popular candy is Butterfinger, which I think objectively is disgusting and bad. It gets stuck in my teeth in a way that I fucking can't stand. And it could be because I'm eating ones that are seven years old every time. It's a textural problem. But, you know, the

other countries have much better selections of candies. I think foreign candies... Yeah, with anise in it. If you want to mess around with some anise, go to Holland. You can. Yeah, with anise in it. Yeah, if you want to mess around with some anise. Go to Holland. You can. Yeah, just anise gum. What other country are you thinking of, though? Don't say England. You better not say England.

We just threw the shackles off of the monarchy. The king makes them wonderful. I love anything by Cadbury. Turkish delights. We were just over in Canada and Coffee Crisp

is just such a good bar. Everyone talks about Coffee Crisp and how we don't have that here. It's worth it for the trip alone. The candy trade deficit between the US and Canada. They got the short shrift in NAFTA. Fuck that.

Trump put tariffs on candies. Yeah. Bring it home on candies. Yeah. Bring it home. Bring it home. All right. We're going to take a quick break. We're going to be right back. And we're going to get into some Alex Jones info wars and the like right after this. When you think of Mexican culture, you think of avocado, mariachi, delicious cuisine, and of course, lucha libre.

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over the globalists. And you're like, I thought you just, you just said they were killing you. What is going on? So right now, what I've seen in like the last week, right, was the, a court trustee is planning to shut down InfoWars. Then a few days ago, a judge blocked one of the Sandy Hook families from collecting a payout. What is like the overall state exactly of InfoWars? Because I know like now he's doing a lot of maneuvering to avoid like sort of like the financial fallout. And I know his dad is now involved, but sort of help me understand sort of what the state is exactly right now. And like if these headlines are completely meaningless or we're just this is like a slow process where eventually InfoWars

is dismantled and sold off. Well, it's it's it it's it's very complicated and i'll just give you a very broad version of this and then jordan will yell about it because maybe i'm certainly i'm certain he's very mad but so basically there are two sets of cases there's the connecticut cases and there's the texasiffs. And they have different ideas about how to approach Alex's case now that it has been kicked out of bankruptcy, the federal court that happened like, what was that, on the 14th of last month? Something like that. And so now we're in a situation where the Texas plaintiffs went to state court because he had been kicked out of bankruptcy. So now he was able to go and try and get collected on the things that he owes them.

And the federal court said, no, we're going to do a wind down. So the court blocking that was that. And then now they're doing the trustee is part of the attempt to wind down the business in an orderly fashion that they believe will create more of a pot for the plaintiffs to split up right right and so i think he is like screwed in some sense like the info wars is probably going to end up deteriorating through this but you mentioned his dad and uh it's very clear that they've set up a whole new thing that is going to live on after this. And it's going to probably be a situation where he's able to maneuver all this and keep on going.

So, yeah, it's like a three-headed Hydra with his dad, basically. And now it's like, yeah, well, there's my dad. So is the dad basically creating another company to sell the nutraceutical, like all the products, and the dad is sort of the head of it? He's like, dude, I got nothing to do with this, dude. My dad is a genius here. All the old stuff that used to be sold, like you mentioned Silver Bullet and all that stuff, now you can buy it on Dr. Jones Naturals, which is the business that his dad owns that is totally unrelated to info wars and their old supplement business so that's the kind of thing they've got so now even if info wars in as a business and free speech systems the parent company even if they completely collapse

alex could just start a podcast and then his dad could be a sponsor and uh you know hey hey, there we go. And it's legal for them to move the money into this new company? That seems like that would be stopped. I guess it is. I don't know. No, I mean, I think it is, here's the thing, it is illegal, right? Right. But, ah, the government

is not going to chase it down. You have to. You have to chase down every single fucking dollar and you're gonna have to pay a lawyer to do it and they're gonna do that and it's gonna be another hearing in six months after that and then another hearing to hear about whether or not the hearing from the last hearing of bankruptcy was actually the real bankruptcy or if it was a super secret fake bankruptcy and we're gonna send it back to state court but then they take it to state court and they're like hey hey hey send it back to that other court because that's where the bankruptcy is being done

haha i definitely didn't tell you to send it to state court where you took it no no no no no no we had a gentleman's agreement that because it was father's day i'm gonna relax i'm sorry i just speaking of father's day my dad is selling some pills and it's totally separate business wait so it sounds like sort of the classic example of how if you have the means to just tie everything up in court you can just gum everything up to the point it's glacial pace and you're still out here having the time to be like hey dr jones no time for love but we got time to sell these nutraceuticals under your name and then basically the shell game continues almost infinitely feels like it very

much feels that way and if you watch his show it really seems like he's being very transparent about it like in the way that like just the other day he was talking about how like, well, you know, we may shut down. And so it's a gamble to buy products at info war store.com, but you might not get them, but you got to bet on us.

You got to bet on us. But the place that's very safe to buy products from is Dr. Jones. It was like, you can't be more obvious about what you're doing here right can i ask you whether you guys knew about his father before he decided to use him to funnel money and like whether that origin story has something to do like his origin story has something to do with his dad like alas like stephen crowder or just like how deep you want to go with this

yeah the daddy issues are exactly as soon as her was like, oh, this checks out every fucking right winger that hasn't had an independent thought from their dad for their approval. Like what? So I'm curious about that. Yeah, I got an oxygen tank. Let's go. His dad was the smartest boy in Texas. He was. And he built a laser or something like that.

Possible. The globalists tried to recruit him coming right out of high school uh and he said no and then he became a dentist and the globalists tried to recruit him again and i guess he started working at an underground base of the globalists at some point and he was a cia dentist and uh he has a lot of secrets because of this time but we don't know what these secrets are in the real world his dad was a big john birch society guy oh love it oh yeah he gave john birch society lectures when alex was a kid and and like he grew up in that kind of a household and it's very clear that he's like alex has been trying to live up to that and like all of the the

people that uh associated with his dad and those probably like those small groups and stuff and uh yeah his dad's been a part of his business for a long time i mean okay there's a pqpr is another company that uh his dad and him owned and that company was like they were selling the supplements to info wars to sell and then like paying for marketing and stuff. So there was like this weird organizational flow that his dad and his mom, quite frankly, always have been a part of. Right. Oh, he's got supportive parents. That's one way to look at it.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, back to the specific, sorry, because I was reading that a judge didn't want to immediately shut down InfoWars for, because it could still be making money with which they can make sure plaintiffs are getting their payout. But like, and that there are, isn't an agreement between the plaintiffs as to whether this is the best thing. Some are like, no, we want it shut down because fuck this propaganda outlet. And others are like, well, we also want money yeah could you explain that if you know more about that probably not any better than you can based on okay articles i don't have any but it's like a philosophical difference that the victim's families are having based on how they want to be well here's what in in practicum when it comes down to like how it will play out because I understand the way that it's supposed to be. Everybody's talking about their filings being how everything's going to go, but those filings are how everything is going to go if everything goes perfectly, which things have not yet done whatsoever. So for instance, if the Texas families wanted to collect on their $50 million settlement, then they would be taking control of FSS.

They would be taking all of Alex's stuff. And then they could just sell it. And then they could give the money away. You know what I'm saying? Right? That's the idea there. But who are you going to sell it to? How are you going to sell it?

To whom? To what? What would you give it? And then how much money is that? Right now they're saying it's valued at like 10 million dollars so 10 million dollars but you have to subtract the fees from everything and blah blah blah blah blah and at the end of the day the families individuals if you split it all equally you're going to wind up with like 50k 100k max maybe less it's so weird to like give a victim's family like the weapon. You know what I mean?

Like here, here's the gun with which we killed your family member. I mean, not exactly, but you know, like what would they do with the outlet other than make money from it? Like, do you know what I'm saying? Like it's sort of sick the way like. I gotcha. It is to them blood money. This is an outlet that obviously promoted conspiracy theories about their slain children. And so it's like, I think it's an interesting dilemma.

It is, especially from a thematic standpoint. It is really difficult to wrestle with that reality. I was involved with the Texas plaintiff's case during the trial i i helped as an advisor during that like in terms of you know bouncing things and stuff about what alex had said and and that kind of thing but with the bankruptcy i've wait hold on like you you were consulted by their like legal counsel? Because this guy. Wow. Yeah. Okay.

I was in the deposition room for one of Alex's depositions and one of his corporate representatives. I flew out to Austin to go do those. And I was happy to help with that. But when it comes down to the bankruptcy, I don't understand. With Alex and what he did and what he said i understand what's right you know it's very clear there's differences of opinion about the bankruptcy stuff that i i can't parse and i've tried to stay out of as best i can yeah right flow your shit yeah yeah well it's just also wild because the headlines have you think it's like oh

they're getting 1.4 billion. You know what I mean? And you're like, yeah, they're not getting shit. No. Like, right. I'm like, I mean, like, to your point, who's being like, God, I can't wait for InfoWars and free speech systems to hit the market, man. Because I am hopping in and scooping that shit right up. Like, no. Yeah.

I mean, if you think about like hourly, how many years has this been going on? You know, how much how much do you think you would get hourly what what's your billable hours in the eight years that this lawsuit's been going on right for the judgment being one and a half billion and for the comparison to what you're gonna get right yeah it's horrific it's a horrifying thing they've done to these people and that's that's what you were bringing too, is like there is a reality that is maybe unfortunate that some people have to figure out what you think about it, I guess, is that probably the way that you extract the most money is allowing Alex to stay on air. Right. And garnish his wages in some way. Right.

And that is that's exactly what you're saying is the like giving the weapon kind of metaphor and yeah people you know i don't know what the answer to that is it's yeah it is a mess right i mean what do you guys think having seen and studied alex jones is uh i mean ultimately when you zoom out it does feel like a win for victims, even if he can siphon off the money. It's like, I don't know. Getting him off of YouTube was a victory. And I was just, you know, I was enthralled. I'm sure you guys know a lot more about all the victims, specifically in Sandy Hook. But like Lenny Posner is one of those people who I'm like fascinated by. The victims, I don't think if my kid were killed in a mass shooting

and some psycho was spreading massive misinformation that I would like make it my job to take them down, move locations and addresses multiple times because I was being trolled endlessly. Like for my mental health, I would move on and this is a guy who like put it all aside and I'm sure mentally he's not well, but, and I know other victims' families

have actually committed suicide. But yeah, I'm just curious, like it's not well, but, and I know other victims, families have actually committed suicide, but yeah, I'm just curious. Like it's ultimately a good story, right? Cause he's going bye-bye maybe. Right. Yeah.

What's positive or negative. Did the universe just arc towards. Yeah. Well, Jordan's laughter. Jordan's like, nope, nope.

He will die again. I think my immediate reaction is, is kind of just like a, I will die again. I think my immediate reaction is kind of just like a I don't know. I can't say. I think that you hear the stories about the 1.4 billion and stuff like that and you want there to be like this just kabong and what have you.

And maybe it's unsatisfying when you're looking at it from the outside. But for each of the people who this is actually about which is right you know the victims and the families like that that's up to them to decide i guess what the you know whether there's a victory or not it seems like there's some sort of a victory and that like this is really inconvenienced him and it's definitely hurt some visibility to do what he does right but he's not going to be gone that's that's probably not going to happen yeah i mean he's crying more is he crying more or less

than he normally does because i feel like i always see alex jones cry over something whether it's the soul of the country or you know the info war is getting shut down but i mean like in those clips because i feel like recently the internet has really been like dude he's crying it's over for him and i'm like uh i think i need a little more context here than a guy who just you know outwardly has these like you know huge performative emotions on camera but like yeah what what what sort of the context even with that like is that purely to just kind of keep his audience in like they're against us mode i want to say i want to say that within the first hundred episodes we openly questioned how long he was going to be on air for uh and that was eight years ago like it was it's been a regular drum beat of like maybe this is the time he's not fucking, maybe, you know, because you think, sure, everybody, you know, nobody, everybody thinks the world's going to end, but eventually it's going to fucking end to somebody, you know?

So maybe this is the time, but he just, just keeps going. Also within the first hundred episodes or so, I think it was probably when we encountered the first time he fake cried. And you're immune to it now. Probably when we encountered the first time he fake cried. And you're immune to it now. Yeah. Back then it was really interesting because, you know, you're watching a show that's pretending to be news and you're seeing a guy fake crying on air. And you don't know what to think.

You don't know what to think. Like, is this real? Has he really hit some kind of an emotional place? And then you just see it enough that it kind of, eh, he's again he's doing the thing yeah but i get it's it travels around social media really well because it is very funny yeah it's jarring because you're like imagining what if wolf blitzer was doing alex you know like he's ostensibly a news person who's having a full breakdown so you compare it to like what if a regular news person was having a full breakdown. So you compare it to like, what if a regular news person was having a breakdown at that would also be

funny. It's just that, you know, what if Wolf Blitzer was wasted? What if I don't know? I don't consume it. So I don't know where you actually get it, but where do you get your info wars?

Do you have to be a paying member or is it just his site? And also has his listenership grown or shrunk since he was deplatformed? Quick follow-up, do you believe deplatforming works? Well, to your first question, I know a guy. Hell yeah. I get my Alex on the black market. InfoWars bootlegs, yeah. That's right.

I get them on cassettes. Yeah. It looks like the Fern G gully soundtrack but it's actually the latest just on wherever you get your podcast yeah no no he's got kicked off all of those things but uh he he still has his own websites right and so i you know i don't want to no plug here yeah yeah yeah but i i he has his website and i just can get stuff from there. Right. And so audience growing, decreasing as a result? I don't, it's hard to tell. Right.

I think it was probably shrinking and then he's back on Twitter now. So he's able to reach more people who may be unaware of his shtick. Right. And that's definitely helping. But I still, I don't think he's as big as he was in 2016. Yeah. Like there was a there was a real wave that he was riding yeah at that point and i remember even like liberal people were like

dude this shit's kind of wild and i'm like why are you watching it's like because it's fun and then like 10 of those people ended up being like and that's where my news will always come from and i was like oh they got you with the frog stuff. And now you were laughing. And now you're like, you have tears in your eyes about whatever global threat there is. But deplatforming, did you think it worked at least in this case or, or,

I mean, where do you guys stand on it? I don't know. I mean, eventually, eventually I, I respect with respect to all fact checkers and smart people everywhere. Eventually the answer should be look around you

do you think it worked right he's there's more more have spawned you know i mean i personally where i come on deplatforming come down is like absolutely you you must and it's important the algorithm on youtube feeds a bunch of other bullshit to the same people but it's not maybe quite doesn't touch whatever third rail of defaming victims of mass shootings yeah it was touched even though there's tons of whatever transphobia and violence and you know whatever all that kind of stuff but yeah that it's important to do even if there are now so many other alex jones is out there yeah i i mostly agree with that that uh that sort of line that it does it may not solve the the whole problem but it's probably something

that is worth doing i mean you can't say abortion on youtube without being demonetized you know i'm saying like i mean and i should know i earn hundred dollars a month from youtube you can't say abortion on youtube no you can't you can from YouTube. You can't say abortion on YouTube? No, you can't. I mean, you can't put it in a title or like a thumbnail and probably not say it in the first like five minutes of the video. You can talk about it, of course. But you will get like, you will be demoted.

Well, then deplatforming worked. Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, exactly. How that's being used is definitely uh inconsistent but yeah it's i think at the very least when you have people like that there has to be at least some fear of that there's something negative could happen to you rather than like it actually i'm invincible that's actually a really good point there is absolutely no fear anything negative will happen to him. Right.

And that's kind of partially going back to daddy issues for Alex. Is that at every point in time through his personal backstory, that what we can find that's true, or at least is close enough to lore to work, right? Is that anytime he gets into trouble, before there can be an actual consequence, Daddy swoops in and it's taken care of. And it's just happened over and over and over again. What are some early Daddy swoops in is my savior moments?

Well, there's an NPR thing that Ronson did where he talked to kids that grew up with Alex and Alex was like regularly in scraps of the sort and where in places would be if it got hot all of a sudden you know it's taken care of or they've moved to a different city

or you know what I'm saying like it's all it's all covered there's no consequence they moved to Austin from Rockwall because Alex either maybe was in some fights or the police wanted to kill him because he uncovered a conspiracy. One of the two.

Whichever lore you would like to believe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were doing a hit job on me. He may have uncovered the police had a drug ring that they were running drugs through and it was too hot for him to stay in town any longer or i was getting a lot of fights at school one of the two yeah yeah one of the two yeah maybe okay well up to you to decide i guess but i think it's pretty clear i just had no idea

how much how much of a figure his dad was because i've seen people like reference the dad too but now as i'm like seeing how this is all coming together with his business and just in this conversation, I'm like, Jesus Christ. He's a very mysterious figure, even to me, someone who spent as much time with this stuff. You know pieces of information from where you can find it. You hear Alex's version of it,

which is really hero-worshiping his dad. can find it you hear alex's version of it which is like really hero worshiping his dad and then there was one short deposition that he accidentally gave at the beginning of the sandy hook trial that is really kind of interesting but only in as much as it it's like it doesn't really tell you all that much but he's a yeah he's a weird figure he. I think he's more deeply entwined in Alex's career than most people realize. I think he's Kaiser Sose. I think that's where we're at. I think that's the best corollary

for what David Jones is. Is Kaiser Sose behind all of the Faux Wars. Holy shit. Kaiser Sose. When Alex was memorializing David Bowie, he was like, David Bowie's dad, David Jones, not my dad, the other one. Or something like that. Oh, boy.

Oh, sorry. We always assumed that it was Mr. Jones. I thought David Bowie was your brother, man. Okay, cool. Because you're so cool, obviously. Do you guys think that the trials could have gone different because of, but his dumbass behavior, which reminds me of, again, Trump's behavior of, like, you know, what was it where he, like, had an image of the judge with, like, devil horns on and was openly talking shit about her? Like, could this have gone another way for him if he had just like not pretend not been like an elitist a-hole who like thought he could get away with anything maybe not i mean maybe it was always

gonna be how about how about this like because i understand your question and i think i think your question ultimately boils down to if he had made different choices would things turn out a different way yes and i think i think the answer to that is is twofold like first obviously if he made different choices things would have turned out different but second the better question is could he make different choices physically in this university is he capable yeah capable and the answer to that is no this is not about he and that's why he's that's why the system can't function with him is because ultimately the idea is like you have to agree to be compelled to do something sure you know you

we're we're saying that you owe us a billion dollars but eventually you have to like give me the money right you have to you have to give it to me and if he just goes no long enough then eventually you get to the point where it's like either you go take it physically from him or you quit and then there's a standoff or something yeah and he's betting there's another layer there definitely will be a standoff i think you guys i mean yeah he's just betting back my question of would knowledge fight stop because clearly it's not to stop because he would do a standoff. I would hope.

I mean, I don't hope. But in terms of the right-wing tradition that he comes from, it seems like they love a standoff. And I feel like if he didn't, it would be very off-brand. Yeah. What was it you said? You live long enough to, or no, you die a Bill Cooper, you live long enough to see yourself become Alex Jones, something along those lines. You live long enough to, or no, you die a Bill Cooper. You live long enough to see yourself become Alex Jones, something along those lines.

You live long enough to become the Bundy Ranch. Yeah, yeah, because Bill Cooper died in a shootout with the cops. Yeah. The way you're supposed to go. Well, the Bundy Ranch, they kind of won. It was like, it's theirs. Yep, I'd say so. Everyone seems like they're doing all right.

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And other people are like, we fucking told you this whole fucking time. What the fuck's wrong with you? I'm very curious. How is Alex Jones, uh, discussing sort of this current election and, you know, especially as it relates to the debate recently, I'm, I'm, I'm curious if you had anything, you know, Alexonesian to say about it or he was just sort of like this is what happens when you don't take nutraceuticals and just turn it into an ad well uh he was predicting that maybe there would be a murder at the debate

so that was fun uh there was there was the possibility there's the possibility of trump being assassinated because the globalists hate him but then maybe they would kill biden because that would make the democrats look like victims and then it would solve the problem that biden's a bad candidate and then they beat trump so there was a lot of fun going on beforehand but then when it wasn't really all that exciting he was just i don't know he's like this is a problem with a two-party system you're like wait what down the middle take now no i think it's interesting because everybody in the real world's reaction was like ah biden didn't perform well and so you would imagine like alex would be like

haha where are you going to take a victory lap but you're mistaking reality again in their world it was just really boring it It was just boring. Nobody got into a fight. Yeah, no one's lizard mask fell off. Yeah, there was supposed to be something. There was supposed to be fireworks or something. It was just two old men shit-talking about golf. So then does he just do the thing

where a lot of conspiracy theorists, they just have to kick the can down the road. It's like, well, maybe I was wrong about that one, but this next thing, you know, it's probably going to happen then. Oh then oh no he's just kind of like whatever that was boring well one of the hallmarks of alex's uh behavior is that he'll make those predictions like there's gonna be a murder at the debate and then just when it doesn't happen i didn't say that was gonna happen i was just i just said maybe it would happen i was just we were just

looking at from all sides so he has no responsibility for any of that stuff. And he could just move forward. Right, right, right. But I do think that the eclipse was the moment that they swapped Biden's body. Interesting. Is that what he said? He was basically like, the deep state is going to use the eclipse to pull. I forgot exactly what it was. Maybe you guys remember, but also it might be just one of the many eclipses that you've covered.

He says it every eclipse, actually. Right. There were a lot of things going on with the eclipse, but it was mostly about preparing martial law drills in order to implement a prison state across the United States,

which definitely happened. We already have a prison state, my guy. Nice. Two million people, we already have a prison state, my guy. Nice. Two million people, yeah. It was mostly just about increased traffic cops and stuff like that for tourism. But that was martial law drills that happened. And, like, in terms of what's, does he have any, like, sort of overarching themes about this election? Does he have any sort of overarching themes about this election, like in terms of what the stakes are or what is meant to happen because it's going to open X, Y, or Z door?

Yeah. I mean, that's an interesting question. You know, what are the stakes? The stakes are always it's God versus the devil, yo. I mean, the election is the election, but this is the fight of all fights this is the beginning and the ending of alpha and omega you know this is just another battle jordan you're touching on something i think that is really important and i think a lot of people don't recognize that like alex is not political yeah Like there's stuff that like really does impact political realities, but he thinks that God gives him visions of the future and that he's

fighting literal demons and that all of the people who are on the left and who disagree with him are possessed by these demons and all of this stuff. There's a spiritual warfare that is not metaphorical that alex believes he's a crusader in yeah and so it's kind of admirable i don't know i respect that more than like partisan hackery you know where you're like at least you're unique versus like oh biden totally fucked that debate up instead he's just like nah the lizard demons are still getting like i don't know i it's at least there's a lane i like your philosophy jordan's like trying to cover it every week yeah yeah i mean but then that's my but then i also as you'd say like he's

unable like he's compelled to say these these things but then in court he's like i'm a performance artist well right you know like his lawyer said that yeah but we're so we're do you guys like where do you guys land in terms of what his actual intent is and what his how he's taking in the world like it's fully just like this is this is legit to him or it's half like i mean this seems like it's working so i guess i'll just keep doing it kind of a thing could be both yeah could be a mix i don't know who who knows where compulsion meets craft right it's somewhere in there. Jordan, what do you think? I'm of the opinion that a 2024 intent should no longer

matter for any of us. You know? Like, I understand a lot of people have intended to do a lot of shit. But now, what's done is done.

And people need to be held accountable for it. So I really don't care what anybody intends. Yeah. You know? The what's in Alex Jones' heart is a weird one. Like, what does he mean? I don't care what anybody intends yeah you know the the what's in alex jones's heart is a weird one like what does he mean i don't care here's what he's done let's do the thing to that

let's react appropriately to the thing right right right right instead of reacting to the thing that that person wished would have happened yeah it's the the thing that i i come back to a bit is like alex constantly on air has said that he's murdered multiple people, like watched them die. Like he said, he stomped their guts out. Yeah. And then they bled to death in front of him. He said stuff like that. Yeah.

Right. And then under oath, he was asked about that. And he said he's never murdered anybody, never killed anybody. But like there is a you see someone grotesquely describe having committed murder. And you have to ask yourself, like, OK, you either believe that you did this or you want the audience to believe this about you. And it's not true. And either way, the impact is really fucked up. Sure.

So that's really where the reality is really fucked up. Sure. So that's really where the reality is, you know, whether he, whether he knows what he's doing is just all false or whatever. It still impacts the real world in a way that matters. Yeah. It's like, I guess how I felt like for a while,

there was like this idea of sort of a lot of the stuff that Alex would have, like say on a show or the people he would have on was sort of like a beginning entry point into like the conservative misinfo talkosphere kind of thing and then could get mainstreamed is he is that influence like waning by by any like in any measurable way or he's just kind of still just sort of this like sideshow figure that occasionally has these takes that like end up intersecting and being beneficial to like conservative causes and things like that well you you know how you said uh like uh one out of a hundred or people were watching and laughing and then uh they're like oh no you're crying now yeah right right that's the purpose that alex serves you know like that's the he can crack through to people and and get them

uh to start listening to narratives and shit that they don't really realize is as bad as it is and then oh what do you know we have some uh nazi show up on the show who i'm pretending is just kind of a cool dude right you know and oh maybe you'll start listening to the it's a gradual path uh that alex serves as an entry point with that in terms of like the information stuff i think there's so many people now that he is not nearly as important for that he's more of a follower than a leader in that stuff i think that he was let's say early 2000. He's like a legacy now. You know, he's still given a lot of, he's still given a lot of shrift, but in reality,

eh, you can take him or leave him. You bring him out to, like, do a speech at turning point, not because he's going to have some great ideas, but because he's going to do his catchphrases. Yeah, it's like, you know what he did for the brand. You know what I mean? Let's get him up here.

Yeah, yeah, we love your work, man. We love what you did. We love what you did. So I guess from your perspective, what's the best and worst case scenarios for what Alex's next couple of years look like? Just watching the waves and undulations of InfoWars. For whom?

I would say for us, as people who are having to live in a world that is affected by his existence. Best case scenario with the parameters that we have, as in things that are feasibly possible? Legally and otherwise, yeah. Oh. Hmm. I can't answer that one.

I think worst case scenario is you live near Alex and he eats you. Yeah. Because he's threatened to do that. He will barbecue your ass. Yeah. If he loses all of his money and he has to resort to eating human flesh, that would be bad.

They'll sell it on DrJones.com or whatever. Okay, I've got a best case scenario. Here's a best case scenario. We organize a party and we just start digging on all of his property and I guarantee we'll find more money

than the MFS is worth right now he's got burying gold energy that's our best case scenario we all organize shovel parties and then we move from there and then what you keep what you find basically or do we all organize shovel parties and then we move from there and then what you keep what you find basically or do we all pitch in i think we i think we obviously donate it to

i mean it's an it's an appropriate respect yeah oh yeah you gotta shoveling i mean i can do my work you might get a finder's fee yeah yeah exactly uh yeah anybody anybody who pockets the gold is going right back in the house. Right. Exactly. Until the Supreme court overturns finders V keepers. We're back to square one. Well,

guys, Dan, Jordan, thank you so much for joining us on the daily zeitgeist. Where can people find you, follow you, support you, all that kind of good stuff.

Our website's just a knowledge fight.com. Yep. Nice. Perfect. Perfect. Thanks for having us. Oh, no, no, all that kind of good stuff. Our website's just knowledgefight.com. Yep. Nice. Perfect. Perfect. Thanks for having us. Oh, no, no, no. Thank you very much. It's always great to have people on to talk about just like the wacky shit that's happening.

Especially like, again, for the depth of your knowledge, it's impressive and helps so much. Because like you're saying, like half the time I'm asking a question, it's like, you're kind of not getting it with what Alex Jones is, because I think so much of what we experience is just sort of being like, look at this creature that screams from the corners. And that's weird versus understanding that his like whole thing is like, I'm offering people perspective that's completely devoid of reality, which allows all these other ideas to take a foothold. And then I've created some kind of day walker who can go for it. I think that's really apt because like Miles and I are like coming in with real specific questions.

It's like he is what he is, you know, and there's no real logic to it. I have just really rapid fire a couple of questions before you guys go, which is, does he smell like he looks? And is his voice like an Elizabeth Holmes situation where it's fake? Oh, like Paris Hilton, like he code-switching? Yeah. First question is

how do you think he smells? How do you think he looks like he smells? He looks like he smells. What does a neck smell like? He looks like he smells like He smells. What does a neck smell like? He looks like he smells like, yeah, like. Just neck. Balls. Like, just. But worse, you know, like, after a hot day, you're.

It's like hour four of leaning over the July 4th barbecue. Didn't take a shower yesterday. Yeah. didn't take a shower yesterday. Yeah. I, I think it's a combo of like dried sweat, cigarette smoke, and like faint cologne that isn't quite strong enough.

And so it comes together in this like terrible. Yeah. But I don't know. He, I don't remember. Smells like a horse. You didn't try to smell it. It smells like a horse.

I was near him and I don't remember him smelling that. It was in the deposition room and I, I don't remember it being offensive. It was in the deposition room and I don't remember it being offensive. It wasn't like sulfur. You couldn't smell the sulfur. No. Unfortunately, I can't say a fly landed on him or anything. He had the stink lines and everything. I think it was just kind of like a cologne-ish type of smell.

What was your second one? Oh, whether the voices is a put-on. I mean, it is obviously played up. I think he just smoked a lot. Yeah. Okay. I think some of it is a put-on. In the early day, he was doing a rush.

He was doing straight rush limbaugh, and it was a full-on... Affectation. Affected. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think over time, he's just smoked a lot, and life sucks.

And it's just all awful for a human being who does what he does to his body. So now it's probably more realistic than, you know, what's the mask and what's the human beneath? I don't know. Got it. Yeah, there is a difference. If you watch him in like a deposition setting, there's a difference from him like performing high energy on stage but it does still feel like the same type of voice right i'll believe if there's any sincerity it's that he sounds like sounds like that yeah yeah yeah yeah oh man um and also guys is there any

work of media social visual anything that you've been enjoying, something that put a smile on your face. Whenever I need a respite, I'll go to the Hey Randy podcast. I love Tim Boltz's Hey Randy podcast. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jordan, what about you?

Well, every night, my wife and I now watch an episode of Taskmaster. Just before we go to bed, just watch it and go to sleep because I am 85 years old. And I love it. I love it. You've got to love a panel show from the UK, right? Got to love one of those.

Francesca, thank you so much for joining me today, guest hosting. Where do people find you, see you, and what's the media, anything, social media, regular media thing you've been liking? Oh, I didn't prepare for that. I don't enjoy things. Miles, you know that about me. Just pretend. You can find me on all the podcast platforms at the Bituation

Room, and then I'll be in Chicago August 19th and 20th around the DNC at the Lincoln Lodge with Matt Lieb. Two nights, one podcast night, one stand-up night, so go get tickets. JessicaFiorentini.com. And what am I enjoying? Fucking nothing.

Just the memes coming out. Just the memes. Just fucking nothing. Just the memes about Biden resigning and Kamala Harris being dude in yellow behind the tree oh rubbing your midst rubbing your hands even though it won't be her that won't happen yeah that's not well we can all we can all live in our own fantasy worlds can't we uh a tweet i like is

from at the x keep x brown that says i keep telling y'all the man has divided the single wing into two parts and charging us more for a perceived preference, thereby dividing us as a people all while reaping inflated profits. Because yeah, the wing used to just be one piece and now we're flats versus drums. Look what happened to us. Look what happened to us. But it's flats all day. For me, you can find me at milesagrey on Twitter and Instagram. You can find Jack and I on the Basketball Podcast. Miles and Jack, I'm at Boosties. I'm also talking about 90 Day Fiance.

That's my respite on the other show for 20 Day Fiance. You can find us at Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter, at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We got a Facebook fan page, a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where you can find the song we write out

on as well as some of the things we talked about today. I just want to send us out on a song from one of my favorite producers, Kay Trinata. Had a new album come out earlier this month and this track is called Dance, Dance, Dance, Dance. Again, it's just like some good

soul soothing music. It's energetic. You can nod your head to it. It's like Bruce Hortons. It's exactly. I would say, yes, absolutely philosophical twins here, at least for the vibes that it gives you. It's my mandolin, Rain, and I hope it will be yours, too. All right.

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