The Daily Zeitgeist - The Surveillance Economy And You, White Lotus Streaming Corner 9.3.21

Episode Date: September 3, 2021

In episode 982, Jack and Miles are joined by What The Hack's Adam K. Levin to discuss cyber security and what private citizens need to be aware of. Plus super producer Anna Hossnieh joins for an Anna's Streaming Corner about White Lotus. (SPOILER ALERT!!!!!)FOOTNOTES: AdamLevin.com LISTEN: 박혜진 Park Hye Jin - Whatchu Doin Later (Official Audio) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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But shout out to DJ Daniel. Shout out to super producers Ana Hosnier, Justin, Dramos, everybody who got here. Brian. Nick Stumpf even. Nick Stumpf. Yeah, back in the day. So this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. Today is kind of a special format one where we take a deep dive into America's shared

consciousness on a specific subject. We did it a couple weeks back and people seem to really enjoy it. And I feel like this is a subject that you can't even really do a deep dive because we don't know shit about it for the most part so we'll talk about that but it is friday september 3rd 2021 my name is jack o'brien aka and he was blinded by the zeit chug and do like a choog with miles smoking blunts all night. Blinded by the sight. All right, that's it. That is courtesy of Chauncey Yonders. That's a fun name to say. The sister Christian?

Uh-huh. A little sissy crish. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! This is Miles Gray, a.k.a. Hideo Noho, a.k.a. Smoke Gray Otani, a.k.a. the Lothario of Lancashire. Look out, North Hollywood, because he's here. And just, you know, I'm just adding new culturally relevant a.k.a.s. Lothario of Lancashire. Lancashire, you know, people know.

If you don't know Lancashire, you're not in North Hollywood. That's true. And is it good to smoke gray? I feel like that would be bad weed. Gray weed. Well, you know, that's the problem of trying to create puns out of, you know, other names. So you get a little narrow. You smoke that shit that makes your vision go black and white and gray.

All right. Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined by a nationally recognized expert on cybersecurity, privacy, identity theft, fraud, and personal finance, and the host of the podcast, What the Hack. He's the former director of the New Jersey Division of Consumer Affairs. He's appeared on just all the TV shows, the Today Show, GMA, all the shows, on radio at NPR, ABC News, Bloomberg, and now on our Second Rate podcast. Please welcome the brilliant, the distinguished Adam Levin! Welcome. Jack, you flatter me. Miles, it's great to be with you.

Thank you for joining us. We're thrilled to have you. Adam K. Levin, I should have said. Do you put the middle initial in there? I do that because there is an author, there is the owner of High Times. There are a series of lawyers. And then there's that guy with the E at the end of his name that fronts for some small band called Maroon 5 that people love.

Right, right, right. Heard of them. And I get great restaurant reservations because of that until I show up. And it's like, oh. They're like, you're lying. You're like, no, I'm not. I once was invited on a show in San Francisco many years ago, and they said, and now we have Adam Levine from Rune5. And I went, no, it's Adam Levin from IdentitySaf911.

And they went, no, no, come on. You know you're Adam Levine. I said, no, I'm not. They said, well, how does it feel to have groupies? I said, well, there aren't really too many cyber groupies. Then they said, okay, where are you speaking to us from right now? I said, San Francisco. And they said,

see, you proved our point because Maroon 5 is appearing tonight in San Francisco. Oh, it was a radio show? It was a radio show. Wow. So I freaked out. I hung up.

Then I called back because I wanted to make sure I called the right show. And they went, oh, he's back. You see? That Levine boy, he just messes around with us. Right. You called back in and sang Moves Like Jagger for them. And I do have Moves Like Jagger. But my son's name is Jagger.

So, Hey, you know, I'm trying. That's pretty cool. I just like that. These hosts so badly needed you to be Adam Levine from room five, that nothing,

nothing that was presented to them. That was the reality. It's just like, Oh man, that's great, man. You sound a little bit different, but what's it like having groupies?

Even though you said you're not Adam Levine. Are you, are you sure you're not adam are you are you sure you're not adam levine i mean maybe you are adam levine it just somehow escaped your consciousness yeah they're like oh this guy he's such a joker this adam yeah oh man wow we've got to do that sometime just intentionally book the wrong guest and just interview them the entire time as though as though they're the other person. Just strong and wrong. You got to respect it. All right. Well, Adam, we are going to talk to you about cybersecurity, your area of expertise. We are also in the third act going to bring on

super producer Ana Hosnier to do a streaming corner about White Lotus, now that everybody's had a chance to see it. So we will let you go for that so as not to waste your time, I think is the word I'm looking for. All right. Before we get into our dumb questions, we have a set of dumb questions we always ask our guests at the top, starting off with what is something from your search history? Well, of course, first thing I'm obligated to tell you is being somebody in cybersecurity, I don't have a search history because I use VPNs. But that being said, were it something from my search history, it would be things about upcoming movies. it would be things about upcoming movies.

Okay. And I was very saddened to learn that they have now moved Top Gun Maverick to next year. I know. As opposed to this year, but they've moved Mission Impossible up to November. So there's some hope. Right. Oh,

I thought they removed it, Mission Impossible to later in the year. So there's. Well, they did. They did. I was thinking about, they moved Tom Cruise

from Oblivion back up to something. Right, right, right. He's coming in November, Mission Impossible 7. Not that I'm the PR guy for Mission Impossible 7, but hey.

You're really looking forward to Top Gun, though? I really was. Yeah. I love that show. It's one where if you watch the cinematography and listen to music, it's like the planes are actually dancing to the music.

Pretty insane. Yeah. I need to watch it like that now. You like this fighter jet music video, Top Gun? Yeah. What is something you think is overrated? Home cooking after being locked in a house during the pandemic for 18 months. Yeah.

You ready to get out? Ready to get out. Although we're in Arizona, so we're out. Right. What's the home cooking situation for you? Is it sort of the thing that you kind of made the same six things or three things and it's like that? Give me a glimpse into Adam's Kitchen. Oh, well, Adam's Kitchen is basically burnt chicken.

My son loves chicken nuggets. He likes anything chicken related. He's one of the few kids in the world that hates cheese, hates chips, doesn't eat bread. So we have to do things on the healthy side. My wife is a fitness competitor. So clearly you can tell I'm not. But wait, what's so what kind of fitness competitions does she do? What's a fitness competitor? It's bikini by a fitness competition. Oh, wow. And as a matter of fact, coming up this weekend, she's actually competing in Pittsburgh because she's trying to get her pro card.

Is that a modeling thing? Is that a fitness as in they have to do feats of fitness? really difficult fitness training regimen, as well as a very strict kind of diet where everything is weighed and it can only be a certain amount of grams of this and that, and it has to be starch and protein. It's really tough. We go out to restaurants. She takes her own meal with her, and it's not easy.

Oh, wow. It's a real commitment. That is tough. I still weigh everything, but it's mostly like pounds of cheese. How many pounds of cheese do I want to put on my nachos today? I generally tend to weigh myself often. I've learned that it's like the old thing, insanity is doing the same thing the same way except expecting a different result. So I'm insane when it comes to that because there is no different result what restaurant are you a fan of chain restaurants oh well i can tell you that my son is obsessed with panda express okay oh who isn't he's nine and the other the other night we

went to panda express and his favorite rapper is Post Malone. Okay. And so he, Post Malone comes on the radio, sing his newest song and Jaeger is eating his Panda Express in my car. He, he pushes the car seat back and he goes, daddy, life doesn't get any better than this. Post Malone and Panda Express. Yeah. I love it. Simple, simple.

It's the simple things, you know. That's it. Simple, simple. It's the simple things. That's it. Yeah, Panda Express, I had a run where I think my blood type was orange chicken for a while. Because it, I, there was like, you know, like when you're a kid, like you'll just, you'll get stuck on

eating one thing because you think it's like cool and like that's the thing you got to do. Like that's the thing you gotta do like that's your identity and my god uh orange chicken was was that for me for sure same thing for him so you guys are kindred spirits great it's good to know that i'm i'm just right there with the youth of america what is something you think is underrated now i have to sort of escape back into my cyber background, but underrated is the whole concept of cyber hygiene. Or let's say password managers are underrated. And the other thing, because I know, you know, you get into very current affairs, disinformation and misinformation is extremely underrated. is extremely underrated, that it is entirely dangerous. And I mean, the amount of time and effort in vitriol that's because of misinformation and disinformation, whether it be the election or the pandemic or a whole host of other things or Democrats eating babies, these kinds of things. I mean, that's the kind of

disinformation that is, it's underrated, it's dangerous, people are not paying enough attention to it, and it can cause a great deal of harm. Do you think that we sort of look at it in this way where like, when I hear that, I go, yeah, I mean, I know it's bad because I know like, a lot of the lines we're drawing to a lot of societal friction is because of misinformation, but what are sort of the ways you think that we're not actually considering aside from the overt examples of how disinformation, misinformation is manifesting into Well, the problem is it's like, you have to think of it like a blob and it just kind of sucks everything in. And you have a significant percentage of the population that will buy into it

for whatever reason and it's almost like it's it's a cult culture right yeah and uh it feeds on itself i mean if you go back to i won't name the particular media outlet, but, you know, their definition of a fact is one host says something and then three other people echo it. And then people continue to echo it. And all of a sudden it bleeds out, it trickles down, as it were, into the community of people who are relatively like-minded. And all of a sudden that's a fact. Right. Right. And I mean, yeah, with Fox, like a lot of the talking points that they get actually come from like they're basically field tested in the world of talk radio. And they see like what is resonating with people and then those like bubble up to. Yes. Yeah, that's it.

And these are the people that say, you know, I can't believe that people follow polls. You have to be a leader, which means you follow, you know, the North Star, whatever it is that you believe in. And that's how you lead. And the problem is, a lot of these guys are feeding on what their listening audience wants to hear. As a point, I've noticed some hosts that have gone from radio to podcasting, and you'll notice that their political alignment starts to slide over in order to be appealing to the people that they think will most support whatever they say or do. Right. almost this way where before punditry or people who had opinions and, and, and people that were interested in those people, it was like, they were actually just speaking their perspective that they felt was their truth. But now you're right. There's so much triangulating where it's like, well, what is, what's an audience going to want? You know, like let's, I'm not going to consider what I think is ethical or true. It's more about how can I experience success by saying whatever I need to. And then that just accelerates things even further.

engagement over like any sort of evaluation of, you know, inherent value or truth. And so it's all just a society that is like kind of engineered down to the most cellular level to just create engagement and excitement without any kind of recognition or, you know, to to the truth right and and the truth changes unfortunately weekly so therefore it's not a truth right yeah right you know what i try to teach my little guy is that a fact is a fact right it and now there can be interpretations of a fact there can be opinions of that particular fact but a fact is a fact there's no be opinions of that particular fact, but a fact is a fact. There's no such thing as an alternative fact. You know, just like when you have people saying, well, the only reason why the government wants us to wear masks is because it wants to control us. And that's how they control us. They mandate that we wear these things. And it's kind of like, no. And then they go, well, it changed because the answer is because science has found that things change. Studies have determined that what may have worked at one point isn't working now, or it may not have worked, but because of a combination of vaccine

and other things, it may be working now. So, and it's so frustrating to be in a place where they're, you know, again, spirited debate is a wonderful and healthy thing. But when it disintegrates into name-calling and hostility and beating people down for an opinion, that's outrageous. And that's not kind of the world we want our kids to grow up in. Right. Especially when you can't even debate things where both, you know, both or the parties involved in a debate can't agree on what like firm, what actual solid ground is for them to even debate upon.

Well, I was in Washington a few, I guess about three years ago, and we were talking about different pieces of legislation that were coming up. And I was speaking to the majority staff of one particular House committee. And they said, well, we hope to have something coming up on security in the next year or so. I said, yeah, don't don't rush, guys. And then and they said and I said, what about privacy? And they said, no, we can't agree to what privacy is. So there won't be anything on privacy. What do you think the divide is like that you see on what people think privacy is, you know, in terms of how one party might observe it and how another might. it and how another might. Well, you know, and again, I am finding a little bit more a unanimity of opinion about privacy. But, you know, we're living in, and I know this sounds Orwellian almost, but we're living in a surveillance economy. Forget even the whole issue that Edward Snowden brought up about a surveillance society, is we're living in a surveillance economy where we are surrounded by almost 30 billion Internet of Things devices that are tracking, sending information back to manufacturers, or sometimes that information is diverted to the bad guys. And everything we do to the point where you feel like you're having a conversation with someone about a subject you've never talked about before. You haven't even searched it on the Internet, you think. And all of a sudden, it starts popping up in Facebook ads.

So people go, my phone is listening to me. Right. And the issue is nobody really knows for sure, although I have found several times when all of a sudden Siri goes, hello. And it's like, wait a minute, I didn't call your name. And so it's very concerning because you really don't know who is listening or not. I don't know if you remember, I guess it was a couple of years ago where Samsung issued an advisory that you needed to disable the microphone feature of your big screen TV if you didn't want it listening to you. Oh, right. Yeah. Right. Because it's like, oops, it's listening. So, you know, in that kind of environment, we have a lot of things that are taking note at a granular level of anything and everything we're looking

for. Like, remember the story about the father who found out that his child was pregnant because Walmart or either Target or Walmart sent to their house flyers on diapers. And he was going, why would they send stuff about diapers to our house? And it was like he found out that she had been searching for that. Yeah. And she didn't ask for it to show up, but it did. Like, oh, based on your activity, we are presuming you are pregnant. Now, if you really want to mess someone up, use their computer and do something like,

there was a case that I was involved in a few years ago where two neighbors hated each other. And when one neighbor was out of town, the other neighbor snuck over, sat on his front porch, hacked into his computer, and then had that go to child pornography sites. Wow. And then called the police, and the police came and arrested this poor guy and it took him six months to convince the police that he didn't do it wasn't him he wasn't searching for that so you know i have i've heard it said that there's like growing pains at the start of every sort of media era like newspapers had all sorts of you know yellow journalism and then like eventually like they sort of were able to regulate things do you see any version of this where they're like we're able to put the genie

back in the bottle with regards to like misinformation and like this new kind of social media, like online media landscape. Well, the danger you have with that is that people will, of course, you will live through the whole cancer culture argument. Right. argument. And you saw the furor that happened when Trump was taking off all of the social media platforms and claiming that it's censorship. And the problem is that when you have these platforms saying, this information needs to be fact-checked, or there's something wrong with this, don't believe it. And then you get people screaming about how the big platforms have made a decision as to the particular kinds of political philosophies they will accept or not accept. And they get caught up in the middle of this.

Now you have Congress talking about regulating big tech, and it should be regulated for a variety of reasons. But the problem with misinformation and labeling it as misinformation is you still have a significant percentage of the population that refuses to believe that it is misinformation and disinformation. Right. Even when you can show them concrete proof that it's not true. Right. Yeah, that doesn't matter. Apparently.

And, you know, the perfect example is the election. I mean, you've had 60 courts. You've had every major political figure who has any sense of reason. Even people on, you know, both sides of the aisle have come down and say it's over. Right. And you still have the cyber ninjas in Arizona. Right. And now there was an issue brought up with the, if you know, the conference that was

held by the pillow man in Wisconsin, where it was all about election disinformation relative to they stole the election or not. And they were passing around examples of software that was being used by the voting machine companies and it's voting machine software companies, election system companies. And all of a sudden now this information about algorithms and other things that were legitimate is now out there. And now they're talking about the fact that they're going to have to replace a lot of the software simply because it's been exposed by people who were simply trying to discredit the election results. Right.

With absolutely no knowledge of how any of it works. No knowledge. None. Right. All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll come right back and continue this conversation. When you think of Mexican culture, you think of avocado, mariachi, delicious cuisine, and of course, lucha libre. It doesn't get more Mexican than this.

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out there, whether it's on social media or if they say, you can get great deals if you give us all of your contact information, like the loyalty programs. And they feed it by saying, look at how much money you saved by having become a member of our loyalty program. You've saved 30%. And there have been surveys of people where they will say, I am really, really concerned about privacy. But then when they go, but would you be willing to give up your privacy for a really great deal? And a greater percentage of people say, sure, I'd like to do that. You know, you know, in one sense, people love customized ads, but in another sense, they don't understand what you're contributing of you in order to put yourself in a position where they will send you customized ads. Right. Can you speak about like what do they specifically give up? Because I think privacy like has certain connotations. And I think in a lot of ways, we lack the imagination to like see the negative consequences.

Can you like speak about that a little bit? Like any instances where it really like was extreme? Oh, sure. any instances where it really like was extreme? Oh, sure. There is a terrific educator in Canada who used to be the information and privacy commissioner for Ontario. Her name is Anne Kavoukian. And she came up with the whole concept of privacy by design, which is that products and services are designed at the core where privacy and security are the core of them as opposed to all we want to do is make something work and then we'll figure out privacy and security for instance originally electronic health records it was all about

let's make it work as opposed to let's make sure that it's actually private and secure. And Internet of Things devices, for instance, all those devices, whether it's your printer, your computer, your television set, your toaster, your refrigerator, all these things that are connected now to the Internet, the issue is, well, let's make it work so it can feed back information to manufacturers, they can make it work so it can feed back information to manufacturers. They can make it better. They can update where they need to. And they don't realize that each one of these things is gathering information. There was something a couple years ago known as the smart mattress cover, where if you put it on your bed, it can tell

when you went to sleep, when you woke up, It would be able to turn on the heating or the air conditioning, depending upon where you were in your sleep cycle. It would even be able to ultimately turn on your coffee pot. Now, you might say, well, that's great. That's convenient. I am kind of saying that. But all of that data in the hands of the wrong person will tell them, are you home? Are you not? Are you not? Are you sleeping? Are you awake? These are the kinds of things. And each of these pieces, in order to create a

successful theft of someone's identity, you have to essentially have a mosaic of their lives. And each piece of factual data is a tile in that mosaic. So you may not think you're giving up much information when you give them your name, your address, your cell phone number, your email address. But if you think about it now, your cell phone number is more of a personal identifier than even your social security number. I think we have learned that we can trust sleepwear providers after Mike Lindell's run. Absolutely. Absolutely. I got nailed it. Miles, you were going to ask a question. I cut you off. Oh, no. Just in general, right? I mean, you know, I think like most people,

I feel that the biggest threat to me as just a person on the internet is identity theft. So that's like, I have a very narrow sort of myopic view of what I think the threats are to me. And over the years, I've learned to try and use VPNs more because I realized like, oh, right, like this, I'm giving up. These are the, this is the information company just want to package and sell and, you know, make a buck off of me passively. But what are the sort of other things that I, most people aren't really, you know, aware of or need to be aware of? Because I think most people would just say, oh yeah, I, I, I have, you know, I have my passwords different and things like that. And only now I feel like maybe in the last six months have I really gotten into two-factor authentication for certain things. But can you kind of just give us, you know, for most of us, and I think a lot

of our listeners are kind of like looking at our own privacy in this very narrow way. And I think, you know, I'd love to hear sort of what we aren't aware of. Well, I think one of the big things people aren't aware of is if you ask people, are you worried that you're going to get hacked, that you're going to become a victim of identity? The majority of the people will tell you, no, I'm not. Why? Because I'm just me. I look in the mirror and I see me.

Well, you may see you when you look in the mirror, but when a hacker is looking at you, they see Beyonce and Jay-Z or Adam Levine. I mean, you got what they want. You've got data, you've got personal identifiable information, or the big thing that a lot of people don't really think about is you could be the tributary to a larger river, which means it may not be about you, but it could be about your spouse, your child, where you work, or where you work not because of the company, but where you work because that company is a service provider or a third-party vendor to where they really want to get to. So, for example, the most iconic breach was Target.

And with Target, they didn't go in the front door. Target. And with Target, they didn't go in the front door. What hackers did is they compromised somebody that worked for the HVAC subcontractor of Target and used the access of that HVAC subcontractor into the Target systems where they then first got point of sale, then they got their databases, and then they moved the data out. So people have to remember that you are part of an ecosystem, as it were, and you may not be the principal thing they're looking for, but you could be their gateway to where they really want to go. And think about how many people tend, even though they may have different passwords, sometimes they tend to use the same password in their private life and their work life.

Which means if you get compromised outside of work, that could be the way in. Because what they're looking for is credentials. They want to know your user ID and password. And if you think most people's user ID is their email address, and most people's passwords are dumb. Right. Password is not a password. And then there were people that go, no, no, no, I have a really complex password.

Well, what they don't realize is that there's a difference between an easily decipherable password, like password, and then a discovered password. And if you think about all of the breaches that have occurred for the past few decades, then the billions of files containing personal identifiable information in it, and'll realize that you could have a difficult password, but if they put it together with your user ID, and then they just start brute forcing their way into anything they can think of, and you'll say, well, why would that affect my work? Everybody talks about what they do on LinkedIn. In fact, not only that, but not only will they

know where you work, but LinkedIn makes it so that they can figure out everybody else who works with you at work. of the company and then the company is now at risk or ransomware gets in there, which is kind of the new, cool, hip, extremely profitable thing that hackers are using. Right. I do feel like there's something somewhat unprecedented about what we're facing, right? Because traditionally, power dynamics are more controllable by the large, established, powerful entities. You knees because they've, you know, grown up, they're like 14 and they've grown up with a more advanced vocabulary and understanding of, you know, coding than older people who've built their way up to positions of power in the company. Is there like an alternate model that we're headed for where government and corporations are better able to like kind of use their size and power to exert control over the field of cybersecurity? Well, it is hoped that they can, certainly with the recent meetings with the president and the big tech companies and

their commitment to really make billions of dollars available in the fight, you know, we're making progress. But the problem is government hasn't done enough, business hasn't done enough. And frankly, we have to admit as consumers, maybe we didn't do enough. And for consumers, we didn't ask for it. We're not trained for it. We don't, half the time, we don't even know what the heck to do. But as the CEO of Microsoft said a couple of years ago, we now have a shared responsibility where we're kind of all in this together. And the problem is you can't just limit it even to one country because it's not like you can put a dome over something and say, okay, well, the U.S. is secure even though the rest of the world is going crazy. You have countries out there that, without question, their goal is to put themselves

in a position where other countries are either beholden to them or they have access into power grids and critical infrastructure and things like that. So even if you have an agreement, for instance, the U.S. had an agreement with China that there were only going to be specific areas that hacking would be allowed to occur. And after SolarWinds and the Microsoft hacks and things like that, we realized that that one didn't work in anymore. And you can't even talk about mutual assured destruction like you could with nuclear war because it's never going to work that way. And the reason is because, again, as you said, as Trump used to say, the 14-year-old sitting in his mother's basement who weighed 400 pounds on a mattress could bring down a company. Recently, you saw T-Mobile was hacked by someone

who just wanted to see if they could do it and didn't realize their security was so miserable. And the only way we're going to get better is there has to be a national commitment first here and then international that we are really going to beef up our cybersecurity and it's going to be a serious priority. And it's not just throwing money at it. If you don't create a culture of privacy and security from the boardroom down to the mailroom and back and forth, or if home, you're working from home, from your living room to your home office, if you don't have that kind of mindset, it's never going to work. Right. This is my dumb question. Can Mr. Robot happen? It's never going to work. that lose lots of people lots of money, they're not like these blanket, socially kind of destabilizing, debilitating attacks, at least not in the United States. Is that still something that's kind of looming out there? And is that something that's happened to developed countries?

Well, yeah. As a matter of fact, people most, people would argue the most cyber advanced company in the world is Estonia. Because they got taken offline. And in fact, we had a conference a few years ago, and the cyber-dedicated nation after that incident. And, you know, arguably everything they do is really top-flight cybersecurity-related within the country. So it almost is going to take that kind of effort because it is scary. Now, if you want to talk about things that consumers can do to better protect themselves or businesses can do, I'm happy to do that. I don't know how much time that we have for that, but it really also has adopting a philosophy, and it really works for everybody, of what I call the three Ms, because breaches have become the third certainty in life behind death and taxes. That's never going to change.

So the issue isn't if but when a company is going to get attacked or a consumer is going to suffer a problem or government agencies are going to hit. But it's all about minimizing your risk of exposure, reducing your attackable surface, monitoring so you know as quickly as possible that you have a problem, and then managing the damage, having a plan to manage the damage. And there are things that people can absolutely do at the government level, the corporate level, and the consumer level, but they have to be kind of willing to do it. Right. Is the sort of inaction around modernizing our ability to defend against cybersecurity kind of like just this very American thing that we see where it's like, well, we'll do something when it gets absolutely horrific enough for us to do something. But we can weather these smaller things,

even though it's a problem that many people are saying we need to be aware of. Is that kind of just we're on that similar path as it relates to cybersecurity? Because I know, yeah, like the potential for these kinds of wide-scale cyber attacks and things seem like they're just over the horizon. But at the same time, like you're saying, like you'll talk to people in DC and they're like,

yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll get to that. Yeah, that's on the list. Is it just sort of, they're just not connected to the real true sense of urgency? way from reimbursing companies that have been hit with ransomware, that even to get cyber liability insurance, you have to go through a living hell in terms of disclosures, and you have to mean it. And then, of course, in addition to the whole regulatory issue, you have to face the ultimate regulators of the American economy, class action lawsuit attorneys. So, you know, I think the attitudes are changing. Cybersecurity is

becoming more a front burner issue. I mean, with the conferences they've had in Washington, remember the last administration, they talked a good game about protecting, but at the same point, they got rid of the cyber coordinator in the White House. There's a lot of things that they said that they were going to do that they didn't do. And then you had people within the government that took their own initiative, like Chris Krebs, who ended up then getting fired after the election, because he said it was a fair election. And they worked really hard, working with the states to do everything they could to make sure that it was going to be a good and fair election. But meanwhile, while everybody was focused on, let's protect American democracy by making sure we don't have cyber issues with the election, the Russian hackers and the Chinese

hackers were focusing on getting into solar winds. And so it's like, look there so we can go over here. And we have to understand these are very creative, very sophisticated, extremely persistent people who are fighting us. And, you know, we used to do election security. The company has just sold part of it. And one of the areas we would go into smaller states, rural counties, and say, you are facing off against Russia. And you have a county that may have one tech guy. And a few people who have a little bit about technology.

And they're facing off against an incredibly well-resourced, state-sponsored hacker whose entire goal is, I'm going to get into their election system. And so that is where you get the lack of balance in all of this. And that's why people always have to keep in mind, we have day jobs. We raise a family, we're involved in government, we're going to school, We're involved in philanthropic activities. But to these other guys, we are their day job. Right. We being like the cybersecurity community? Well, the cybersecurity, you know, we have people who are very focused in the cybersecurity community. And remember, we are very open as to what we talk

about in this country because we don't have a national breach notification law, but we have 54 separate jurisdictions that have their own laws that impact cybersecurity and cybersecurity reporting. What we're doing to China, Russia, Iran, other countries like that, we're not going to hear because they're not going to talk about it for sure. And we're not going to talk about what we're doing to them. But I believe that a lot of what's going on here is going on there. And the US is a great offensive cybersecurity country when it comes to any cybersecurity weaponry, as it were. Whereas on cybersecurity defense, we're not that good yet. And the same can be said of Russia and China. One of the few countries that is really top flight,

both offensive, defensive, is Israel, because it has to also deal with the concept of the Iron Dome, which they needed because they can't patrol. They don't have enough people to patrol their borders and they're surrounded by nations that are not necessarily their best friends. So. Interesting. Well, Adam, I feel like we could talk to you about this all day, but we definitely should have you back to kind of continue this conversation. It's been very, very fascinating talking to you about it. Where can people find you and follow you?

Okay, well, adamlevin.com is our website, which is a sort of destination site for cybersecurity issues. And also on the podcast, What the Hack with Adam Levin, which is available anywhere that people get podcasts. We'd like to have you guys come on too, and we can have some fun with you on that. We actually try to take a little bit of a lighthearted look at some of this. Yeah.

I mean, as someone who was pwned in the equifax leaks and uh i and as a t-mobile customer i'm constantly like what fucking world am i in like nowhere i'm like everything i'm i'm attached to seems to be so vulnerable one thing i i meant to ask this earlier we just don't have a lot of time but like i feel like the as we've learned more about all the cookies and tracking software and the surveillance economy, the only change I've seen is that now when I go to a website, they make me take their cookies. They're like, this site uses cookies. But if I want to use the internet, I have to agree to it. But if I want to use the Internet, like I have to agree to it. And it's just like basically we got like end user agreements in exchange for, you know, privacy law that was passed in the EU that was for its time actually instilled the most advanced law. Now you have the

California Consumer Protection Law, which is their privacy law. You have a law in Colorado, Virginia, New York that are very forward-thinking, tough laws. And as a result of that, they're requiring anyone who's gathering data in any form to actually make disclosures so that people are aware that their information is, let's say, more exposed than they originally thought. And it's part of a, you know, you should know what information they're asking for. You should also have the right,

which is, you know, the goal of some of the more advanced privacy laws, to the right to be forgotten, where you can actually delete information from websites. Right. That's what I want, is like an ability to like toggle like yes or no to cookies. But like the version I seem to see a lot is just, well, you can come to this website if

you accept that we use cookies. Otherwise, like get out of here. And well, or they'll say you can come here, but, you know, don't expect when you come back that we're going to know who you are. And so it's going to be you're going to be like a guest every time you come. Right. And some of them absolutely would prefer you not come unless they can suck every piece of information out of you they can. So, you know, that is at least a change that is trying to at

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about security and privacy and now the pressing issues of our time, the way we distract ourselves healthily from that television TV. Although this I feel like this show really nailed something about the zeitgeist or just, I guess, America. Oh, White Lotus or? Yeah, White Lotus. Our show definitely always is always nailing the zeitgeist. Hello, Ana Hosni. Thank you for joining us. Why did we watch White Lotus? What struck you when you first said, why aren't you watching it? What was part of it?

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i was pulling my inner kim cattrall yeah oh right where you're channeling channeling there yes um i guess before we get into the just the talk i'll just i will read what the description of white lotus is so if you haven't seen it you understand what we're going to be ranting and raving about they say from mike white the White, the creator of HBO's Enlightened, The White Lotus is a sharp social satire following the exploits of various employees and guests at an exclusive Hawaiian resort over the span of one highly transformative week.

As darker dynamics emerge with each pressing day, this biting six-episode series gradually reveals the complex truths of the seemingly picture-perfect travelers, cheerful hotel employees, and idyllic locale itself. Okay.

There it is. And another interesting fact, Mike White did, in fact, go to high school or college, I forget, with my friend Lori's wife. Really? Okay. Yeah, she told me that the other day. Now we're cooking with gas. Now we are cooking.

He also, did he write, he wrote School of Rock. He's enlightened. Enlightened with Laura Dern? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also School of Rock. Okay, stop bringing up School of Rock every five minutes. Anyways, I want to bring up School of Rock. But interesting kind of varied career.

But this is, I don't know, very kind of keenly, just sharply observed about the 1%, I guess, and their relationship to themselves and their world and their leisure. Mm-hmm. I don't know. How do we get into this? What do we do? Well, I mean, yeah. Should I just say? So, like, I know there's been a lot of think pieces on it and all that but you know i'm not really one that thinks too hard

so i just thought it was just like a fun dark comedy that just like kind of you know showed that rich white people are just like vapid idiot losers and that's just kind of like funny to me yeah i'm a simple woman like i'm really simple like if you're like look at this rich white woman like she doesn't get that like white men are over i'm like it's a mess oh dumb so like that's all it really takes for me yeah well i think because a lot of people i felt like were mad because they were expecting this show to have some kind of really biting sort of commentary on what it was. And I get that maybe you thought because it was like adjacent to something really interesting because throughout this show, like there is this juxtaposition of like understanding like what life is like for the people of Hawaii, like the relationship that it

has to the mainland and like just how like sort of the caste system that even annexation has created in that sense. But there's also like there's just, yeah, this dark comedy aspect about it, which just sort of makes it palatable. And in the beginning, I thought maybe this was going to be a broader commentary on something like that. And in the end, it just was really just sort of this very more narrowly focused dark comedy so i didn't mind that it didn't have that because i also it was kind of one a very american thing where like the show almost was able to like observe an issue or like a controversy but not quite have a reckoning with it so it's just sort of like damn

that's fucking wild huh this shit it's sort sort of like the vibe was at the show rather than like, this is why we need to really seriously talk about like what it means to have annexed the kingdom of Hawaii. Oh, right. You know, like all these other things, like what it means for these power dynamics among all these other people. But really, it was just a mess. What a mess to occupy Hawaii. Yeah, I know. And the kind of the great part about it is that like it it just, I kind of liked it's like, you didn't really try. And I'd rather you just didn't try. Like, you created humor in the fact that like, these people were really shitty, and you're pointing it out. But like, they didn't really make that much of an effort. And it's like, I'd rather them not make an effort than make like a half assed effort at something. You know what I mean? Right and fall flat trying to be, like, deep with it.

But I feel like the commentary was all there. Like, it definitely didn't end in a satisfying way. But the way it ended was that the people who you've kind of just been disgusted by the whole time because they are just myopically just obsessed with their own privilege and like preserving the illusion that they deserve like everything and like fighting anybody who's in the service in service positions like they just get away with it and don't learn their lesson and that's just like that that is how it works yeah but didn't that all feel like just in the writing like very surface level, like there were a lot of things that they just touched on that they very quickly, very like, it was

just like, and then they like, you know, moved on. Like, I feel like, yeah, you know, they'd be like, this guy hates the manager or whatever. Jake Lacey's character hates Armand. Yeah. Shane hates Armand. And it's like, okay, but we're not really gonna explain or like explore further like what the fuck is wrong with Shane and like why you know like other than him being like look I was just born into this okay like what am I supposed to do and it's like yeah

surface level that's who he is and that's all these people are they're all surface level people right yeah maybe that is maybe that is the observation. So like, just to give people an idea, like there's like this tension, there's this character Armand, who's like the hotel manager. Then there's a couple of Nicole and Mark,

which is played by Connie Britton and Steve Zahn, who's like this wealthy couple who have brought their kids and one of their kids friends with them to just kind of like have one of those rich people vacations. And then the other the other storyline involves tanya which is jennifer coolidge's character who's like mourning the loss of her mother and is there to spread ashes alongside this newlywed couple of shane and rachel where this journalist has like married rich and is kind of having this existential dilemma of like

what that means for her. Yeah. But I think that there's something where when they're on vacation, they are left with too much time to think about just themselves and how awful they are. So they do things like create the issue with Armand that Jake has, or Connie Britton,

who's supposed to be a Sheryl Sandberg-type character, is, like, at one point, like, moving furniture around the hotel room, like, just, like, doing these things, like, creating these tasks and these problems to just, like, focus on to, like, continue this, like, sort of endless, like, competition and, like, urge to prove something that like i feel like deep down they know they can't prove which is that they deserve any of this shit what's um i i want to say that this the one of the best things about this show were like some of just the individual performances yes and i don't know i just want to maybe go around and we can talk about some of our favorite people from the show i remember when i wasn't watching yet and anna was

and you're like dude jennifer coolidge is fucking crushing this whole fucking show and that's when i was like i'm watching because i'm such a jennifer coolidge fan and yeah tanya's character was we're called cool dogs hey where you at where the cool dogs at but yeah like honestly her performance was like fantastic and like her sort of storyline with Belinda and Natasha Rothwell's character was just like this fucking strange journey of like white saviordom and guilt and like also people trying to act like they were being authentic by offering or not offering money it was a it was a lot it was a lot right yeah i you know jennifer coolidge i mean truly like a legendary actor who like comedic actor who never really i think

like i feel like she gets you know pigeonholed a lot in what she has been offered in the past. And it was, like, really nice to see her, like, playing this, like, just showing that she has, like, this wild range where she can play, like, this, like, what is she, she calls herself a alcoholic, what is she, she calls herself, like, an alcoholic psychopath or something? Yeah, yeah. Like, she's, like, under all the layers. You're gonna find that out. You're just gonna find an alcoholic psychopath or something. She's like, under all the layers, you're just going to find an alcoholic psychopath. And you're like, wow. Wow. Like that level of just like madness. You're like, wow.

And the thing is, she's nailing it. Like her character, every person she interacts with, I immediately feel bad for them. And that's how you know, no, you're in her way. She's nailing it. Yeah. She just walks up like. Right. Are you having a good time?

And you're like, no. Get away. She's trapping you. Yeah. It's so good. She reminded me of the character in Shadows, the energy vampire. Yeah. She just came in and would destroy the life force of everyone except the dying guy who she ultimately ends up with.

Right. I do want to add this one. Those characters of Paula and Olivia, like the Gen Z college girls. Nailed it. My dad said they made him feel so uncomfortable that he couldn't get past the first episode because he was getting like Zoomer anxiety. He's like, oh man, they're like, they're just going to fucking read your ass and you don't know what to do. And he was like, yeah, he was feeling that off the screen.

He's like, yeah, I couldn't really get past that first episode. They nailed the cruelness that gen z can bring yeah in their critiques and you're like yeah oh my just like them reading at the the look that they both give you at the same time and you're like no no no no don't look at me right yeah because these characters are like almost like you know they have like the cutting commentary that like a five-year-old would where they'd be like oh you're bald and you're like oh okay thank you young child but they're just like you're like a empty like lame wannabe wife like they have like this expanded vocabulary and know a lot more like psychological

terminology so like it's like the same kind of observation but it just cuts you in half yeah but also they're just like disdain for things too i think was really that line where they're like do you guys meet on raya wow okay is that who you are she's just like oh no yeah just like damn they just come for you immediately the reading is like the the books they're reading are, like, these, like, high-end, like, Nietzsche and, like, Freud. Like, it's like, okay, nobody actually reads that. And then Jake Lacey, the, like, bro character who's, like, inherited a bunch of money and, like, seems to have, like, the most violent conflict with, like well just with every everything about himself and like he's always reading malcolm gladwell yeah and he's never yeah yeah and never making any progress

it's always like at the same place i thought he captures like guy who says he's gonna read on a trip energy and it's like yeah i'm dude, I'm bringing the book here. I'm bringing the book there. I brought it to bed. No, I didn't read it. But I was about to. But, you know, vacation, dude. And I got to say, Molly Shannon comes in.

I mean, Molly Shannon is honestly like every role she plays immediately. Like she just progresses in a way where I'm like, she's so fucking funny. She just comes in as a mom who's just like, you know, like, that wedding, I blacked out. And you're like, what are you talking about? I don't remember it at all. You keep saying that. It's like, what are you saying? People say it's lovely.

I don't remember that at all. But it was great, right? Nothing. Right. Yeah. don't remember that at all but it was great right nothing right yeah i feel like her and i i feel like the character jake the mom molly shannon and the two gen z girls were like the ones that like stuck out to me as like the most i don't know like i hadn't seen them on camera like in a thing before like nailed to that degree like like that archetype because they're

yeah there's like a lot of pain in them like the like right that is and the way they deal with it is like very pathetic and like just completely like transferring like their anger about one thing to another thing and they just really like nailed it in a way that felt realistic and yet like so just obvious and also steve's on i forgot about steve's on until i saw him again i was like oh wait steve's on is actually hilarious his whole like meltdown through the series of like he finds out his dad died of AIDS and and he's like just first he thinks he has testicular cancer then he finds out his dad died of AIDS because he was you know bisexual or or gay full I don't even know it's not really explained and then he's like starts to be like he starts melting down because at one point

he had an affair and decides he wants to be open with his son. And his son is really not accepting. He's just like, okay, cool, dad. Like, stop telling me about this. So, I got your mom that $50,000 bracelet because they cheated on her. They're so, like, his character. And then just, like, that scene at the dinner where they're like, be nicer to your brother. You know, it's tough for young white guys.

And then, like, Paula, they're like, well, you know, the daughter is like, you've never even asked Paula a question. And he's like, well, Paula doesn't know anything about me. And she's like, well, I know about your balls, bro. What do you mean? She's been walking around lamenting that. Yeah. And then he's like, OK, ask me a question, Paula. And she says, what do you stand for?

Oh, my God. His character is just like, huh. Like, what do I stand for? Because of all that, like, emotional turmoil, he still, like, lacks the depth needed to analyze any of it. Right, right. He can't do it. It's just, I thought his character was, like, perfect. Just like dad. Yeah. He's just, I thought his character was like perfect. Just like dad.

He's just like kind of checked out. He's so self-involved with his own crap. It's kind of nice to see like Zahn. He's like, you can see that he can, there's a set, like whatever this next phase is, him playing this kind of weird middle-aged guy. Like, cause that angst when he was younger, like sure it was funny, but I feel like it really suits him now. Like as he gotten older and like you know that he now looks like he i don't know it just feels like more spot on and then also like molly shannon too it's just really

dope to just see like you're like fuck dude molly shannon has like always been super talented but like now she's getting like great roles to really you know spread her wings in yeah yeah i thought this was a great role there's one more moment with steve's on the moment he gets the call from his uncle and he's like well how did my dad die of aids and he's like he was sleeping around with men that face he makes i cried just his i think his facial expressions alone throughout the series just like complete confusion i'm just like what yeah he embodied the like circuits frying in a computer but somehow made that a facial expression and then the face he's making

when he's just sitting like this the next day where it's with his hand with his face in his hand and his daughter's being like that's really homophobic for you to be this upset about it what if grandpa was like a power bottom he's like he can't process any of the information i mean i was dying mike white the creator and writer of the show's dad was reverend dr james melville white a former speech writer and ghost writer for the religious right figures such as jerry thalwell and pat roberts, shit. His father came out as gay in 1994. So that's a kind of lived-in experience. Right, right.

That's cool. Or interesting more. Yeah, and then the other character I just want to, like Murray Bartlett as Armand is like one of the most realistic depiction of like a relapse, just of being high and like uninhabited and or uninhibited and just like that performance is fucking incredible yeah that especially that

last episode when like he's like fuck it baby it's the send-off yeah it's yeah that i mean his whole it's also like you really felt for his character, too, because like, you know, like he's he's trying to keep his shit together. He's trying to stay clean. And he's also like in the midst of like the most chaotic week of his career is like managing a hotel with like unruly guests, finding bags of drugs and not knowing what to do and like his own demons. It's like, yeah, it's funny because he provided a lot of comedic relief, but also like super, like you said, like this very realistic portrayal of, of someone just like struggling with their own addiction too.

Yeah. Yeah. I also like that the people around him were kind of like, okay, Armand, no one was really that concerned that this guy was so off the deep end. Like you open your door and your boss is eating ass. Like, that's a problem.

But everyone was just like, you know what? Not my business. And if you haven't seen the show, it's, yeah, you'll be surprised. But I think it's worth checking out for sure. Oh, yeah. We should probably put a spoiler alert at the beginning of this because this is. No, I think this is. Spoiler alert.

Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. Circa 20 minutes ago. Spoiler alert. All you can eat but Faye. Dylan. I actually really like Dylan. He doesn't give a fuck. I can have any shift I want.

I'm like, dude, have more like... Right, and then I was kind of like, yo, this is so gross. And then I'm like, well, this is this is this dark comedy yeah it's like finally let's party there is a scene last episode that's the grossest thing i've ever seen yeah with armand i mean that has to be real they have to have like shown actual like that right you can't fake that or you it would cost a lot of money to fake that or you just put it in a post yeah that's true yeah you think that was digitized i don't think so man that makes it worse i really i wrote i ran that back a number of times and just like

watch it and frame by frame and i'm pretty sure you did your own case studies of you yourself trying to replicate the shot yeah yeah and yeah sar's like, what are you doing in the bathroom? You're like, nothing. They got everything right. Get out! About the plop. Where's my suitcase? I got a new one coming in the mail. Don't worry about it. Ana, as always, such a pleasure

having you and your streaming corner on. Where can people find you and follow you? Well, hold on. I have to do my outro song for streaming. Oh, boy. I'm just joking. I have to do my outro song for sure. Oh boy. I'm just joking. Cause your eyes like another 40. That's the end of streaming corner.

Thank you. Yeah. I can hit the horn section from Spodey. Thank you. I also sampled that. Yeah. Okay. So I think for the next reming corner i would love to um recommend

which we've also kind of already recommended but like maybe hopefully by the time we do it again the show will be fully out but reservation dogs yeah we got to talk about that we gotta talk about reservation dogs and i don't want you guys to watch this but i did watch that show clickbait on netflix and uh not good yeah and that's my thoughts i don't want you guys to watch it but i did watch it so got it cool where can people uh find you and follow you i'm at in a host now on twitter and is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying did you see that paul schrader what's his name schrader i think i said schaefer got kicked out of a no it's paul schrader not schaefer schroder schrader the filmmaker he got kicked out of a bunch of poker zooms because he just

keeps saying like really wild shit to the women, like just so inappropriate. And then he did a news article or he like did an interview about it that was like, I mean, cancel culture. Am I right? You can't tell a woman to fuck another woman in a zoom poker call. And I said, I was it was a great friend of mine. S.G. Goodman. I mean, yeah. And then Paul Dano, who was running one of them, kicked his ass out.

And I'm like, well, okay, Paul Dano. Yeah, there you go. Hold the line. Married to Zoe Kazan, star of Clickbait. Oh, okay. All right. I like both of them a lot. Very much.

Miles, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter, Instagram, at Miles of Grey. Also, for the 90-day shit, go to four 20 day fiance with Sophia Alexandra. And I, a tweet that I am liking is from at Tawanda Ghana, T A W A N D A G O N A tweeted. I'm going to say candy man five times while my homie says Beetlejuice three times, and we're going to make them fight. I felt really great. And then last one is from

atzerosuitcamus It says, my son asked me if he was gonna die someday. I told him no because honestly I'm not really in the mood. I hope I did the right thing. Parenting. Dave King tweeted Is it true that the Alicia Keys song

No One is about who out pizzas the hut? And Brendan O'Connor tweeted, If anyone else is worried about the rats, don't worry. I looked it up and they can swim for three days without rest. Wow. Reassuring. You can find me on Twitter

at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram We have a Facebook fan page And a website DailyZeitgeist.com Where we post our episodes and our footnotes Where we link off to the information that we talked about In today's episode

As well as a song we think you'll enjoy Miles, what's the song? We're going to do another one from one of my favorite New rappers, the Korean rapper Park Hee Jin And this track is called What You Doin' Later listen song it's uh we're gonna do another one from one of my favorite new rappers the korean rapper park hee jin and this track is called what you doing later and yo i love her flow she's like i heard like low energy delivery is fantastic and the beats fucking knock so take what you're doing later into this weekend and ask your friends what you're doing later there you go the daily zeitgeist is a production of iheart radio for more podcasts from iheart radio iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

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