The Daily Zeitgeist - The Tabasco Agreement, 5Geez... 4.7.20

Episode Date: April 7, 2020

In episode 603, Jack and Miles are joined by Night Call podcast's Emily Yoshida to discuss a White House trade advisor making claims about coronavirus, the 5G coronavirus conspiracy theory, a possible... new Tiger King episode, how coronavirus is hitting teens especially hard, and more !FOOTNOTES: WH Trade Adviser Claims He’s Qualified To Speak On COVID-19 Treatment Because He’s A ‘Social Scientist’ Top WH trade adviser feuded with others on whether hydroxychloroquine can treat coronavirus, sources say. A Conspiracy Theory That 5G Is Causing The Coronavirus Is Spreading Alongside The Pandemic Woody Harrelson among stars sharing coronavirus conspiracy theories tied to 5G Mast fire probe amid 5G coronavirus claims Coronavirus: Scientists brand 5G claims 'complete rubbish' New ‘Tiger King’ Episode Coming to Netflix, Says Jeff Lowe The Reality of Covid-19 Is Hitting Teens Especially Hard WATCH: The Frightnrs "Till Then" Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:01 Listen to Lucha Libre Behind the Mask on the iHeart app apple podcasts or wherever you stream podcasts hello the internet and welcome to season 128 episode 2 of their daily zeitgeist a production of iheart radio this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into america's shared consciousness and say officially off the top, fuck the Koch brothers. Fuck all. Fuck Fox News. Fuck on top. Fuck National Review.
Starting point is 00:02:31 Oh, wow. Great. Sure. Yeah. It's Tuesday, April 7th, 2020. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. I'm always alone, drinking Corona with lime. Play Animal Crossing to pass the time. I'm wearing a mask for grocery store run.
Starting point is 00:02:51 I heard that on Facebook Trump is number one. Tiger King was okay. Quarantine. All right. That is courtesy of Jedza. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. I was quoned in the valley with a little hemp. Oh, and just like the valley I've been burning ever since.
Starting point is 00:03:28 It's been a long, long time coming. But I know I'm going to face this blood. Oh, yes, I will. All right. Thank you to John Caruzzi for that wonderful, wonderful change will come inspired AKA, but I'm the Sam cook of the Valley. That's what many people say. So thank you so much for seeing that. I do always say that when we're walking to lunch back in the day, when we could walk to lunch together, people would shout that at you. Hey, it's the Sam cook of the Valley. It's the Sam Cooke of the Valley. It's the 818 Sam Cooke.
Starting point is 00:04:09 Have you noticed people overestimating time? I was talking to my parents on FaceTime yesterday, and they were like, yeah, and I think it was like three weeks ago this happened. I was like, three weeks ago? You didn't even think the coronavirus was a real thing, Dad. What are you... I don't know. I think just everybody in quarantine,
Starting point is 00:04:27 like, quarantine time moves a lot slower. Yeah, time dilation is a huge thing. Yes. Well, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by our guest, Emily Yoshida. Hello. Hello, Emily.ida. Hello. Hello, Emily.
Starting point is 00:04:48 I love how musical this show has become. It has to. It's like a musical review. I'm so entertained. It's the only thing that makes me feel alive anymore. One day we'll sing an entire episode. That's when we know. That'll be about day 63, I feel like.
Starting point is 00:05:05 We'll get to full musical renditions. Oh, but also, to anyone wondering, Jamie is fine. I know last time one of us was not here, the assumption was they had COVID. No, I think she had like a winning scratcher, so she has to go. Oh, is that what happened? I thought she had a winning lottery ticket. Well, that's what I mean. I mean, yeah, she does the lottery for a living, and she had a meeting with Destiny. Well, that's what I mean. I mean, she does the lottery for a living, and she had a meeting with Destiny, I believe is how she put it.
Starting point is 00:05:31 That's what she calls it when she goes to buy scratchers. Yeah, she has a meeting with Destiny. Uh-oh. I'm late for my meeting. Is that a Zoom or a FaceTime, or how does that work? Yeah, right. And I think it's just a straight physical walk to the liquor store to go buy some scratchers. they're still open necessary services yeah um emily
Starting point is 00:05:53 hi how have you been doing during during this time oh you know uh it's an extraordinary time for all of us um listeners of uh Night Call, which is my podcast. Night Call. One of my favorite podcasts in the world. Thank you very much. You guys are the best. I feel like we were made for this moment. Like, this is sort of our time to shine.
Starting point is 00:06:16 Yeah, seriously. The first week of this, I was just like, I was way too, like, putting on my captain's hat or something. I was like, we're going to fucking live stream through this entire thing we're gonna set up a bunker we're gonna like like i was i was so into the idea of the night call brand like coming through for for everybody which we i i think we've we've upped our content level so i think you know we've been doing our part but but um but listeners of that podcast will know that I have been going through a move during all of this. Um, which, I mean, there's a lot of things that are not fun to do, uh, in the middle of a global pandemic,
Starting point is 00:06:55 but I would say that moving is, is, is, is on the list. Yeah. I mean, I'm healthy and, uh, you know, as far as I know, you know, been taking care of myself, I've got food on the table, everything but, but being in a half completed home is is not great right now. And that's the only place you can be. Yeah, is that is that motivating you to like unpack more or quicker? Or I mean, what phase of you in the move in? Are you exactly? It's such a long, boring story. But most of my stuff is in a storage unit right now that i'm not it's on the other side of the country so i have not um sent for that yet and i kind of feel bad about sending for it right now but yeah it'll it'll
Starting point is 00:07:38 it'll be it'll be a while so a lot of it is like i don't want to buy doubles of everything that i already own so it's just that kind of thing. Oh, balancing act of like not completely wasting because you know you have it, but then not wanting to put people at risk to get your whisk over here in time. But you need a whisk. Yeah. And as time goes by, the whisk becomes like, you know, this holy grail that you didn't realize you couldn't live without, like all things right now.
Starting point is 00:08:05 I can't get these egg whites to properly stand oh man i didn't even have eggs until like earlier this week so i'm feeling very eggs were one of the items yeah or one of the items that everybody was like getting the fuck out of my way yeah i found some at um you know it's been great that a lot of restaurants in la have been doing these groceries so i got some from cafe tropical shout out cafe tropical one of the best places in silver lake and they were doing groceries and had eggs there so i was i was happy about that but yeah it's been great cafe yeah it's great good call shout out to people who are providing eggs and meat especially shout out to the listener and providing eggs and meat, especially.
Starting point is 00:08:50 Shout out to the listener and homie American Butcher who's sending me some posts from what it's like as a butcher right now. Like getting ground beef and breaking down as much beef as possible because those things are flying off the shelves. And these people are like, you know, they're putting in hours. It's amazing, too. Again, we realize all of the things like we just immediately go, oh, yeah, essential means grocery store and hospital. And now we're like truckers, butchers, everything. It's just you truly realize. And again, we say this maybe every episode, but we hope at the end of this, we begin to realize what essential means and how we actually compensate what it means to be an essential worker.
Starting point is 00:09:28 I mean, I want as few people to die from this as possible, but if it does make us more conscious of a supply chain, that's a good side effect of an unfortunate situation. Just how capitalism works in general. Yeah. The thing about restaurants still having the same supply chain, supplying them with groceries, and you being able to kind of go to a restaurant that you want to help keep in business and have groceries picked up there or pick up groceries from them is something that's happening in LA. I'm assuming it's happening elsewhere. Yeah, there was a little bit of friction here and there when the city was like,
Starting point is 00:10:08 you actually don't have a license to act as a grocer. So they've had to change things around to make it above board. But yeah, I mean, you'd think in a time like this, they'd be like, yeah, yeah, dude, please survive and distribute food as needed. Yeah, I heard that they were possibly shutting those down. And it seems like I was just checking because I have to go out and get food today. And I was like, please, please, please let these people still be selling, you know, onions.
Starting point is 00:10:35 Yeah. Yeah. It's an adventure. Every day is an adventure. It is. Can't say it's not exciting. That's right. Maybe you can.
Starting point is 00:10:44 I don't know. Yeah. I'm trying to imagine how like kids are going to remember this time. We're going to talk in a little bit about how high school students are going to remember this time. But like I remember when I was a kid, like one of the most memorable things that I ever did was we like camped in my backyard. And that was like a thing that I was like, Oh man,
Starting point is 00:11:07 that was like so cool. That I just realized that I remembered fondly when you were saying everybody's on a like very boring camping trip during the quarantine. But yeah, you can always, maybe kids will think of this as an adventure. Who knows? It's funny. But yeah, you can always, maybe kids will think of this as an adventure. Who knows? Yeah. It's funny. My friend who's an ICU nurse, she came by just to the front of the house with her son.
Starting point is 00:11:32 She's got two kids. Shout out Nurse Brittany. Shout out all essential workers with children right now. It's a lot. But she was saying her son's three, trying to explain because the school that her son goes to for children of essential workers and frontline workers, they have like the school open just so there is some way for them to be taken care of. But like she sent me a photo of like the classroom because already when they reduce the class size down to just the kids of people who are essential workers, there's so much space in the room. So all the kids are like maybe fucking 14 feet apart. And like the kids in this photo from the teacher
Starting point is 00:12:10 are all looking at the camera like confused. Like, why are we sitting so far apart? But she was just telling her son, she's like, oh yeah, everyone has like a cold. So we have to wear our masks to protect each other. And her son's like, oh, like a tummy ache. And she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Everyone's got tummy aches. And he's like, oh, okay a tummy ache. And she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:26 Everyone's got tummy aches. So, and he's like, oh, okay, got it, got it, got it. All right, I have this tummy ache. But it's, yeah, I think it's not quite the same level. Like the weight to them is different. It's just sort of more confusion, it seems like from what I hear from everyone. With their kids. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:43 All right, Emily, we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're gonna tell our listeners a few of the things we're talking about uh we are going to talk about america's foremost health expert peter navarro uh who is actually just a capitalist ghoul who uh is arguing apparently with dr fauci uh behind the scenes over a cure that he thinks we should be investing in. We're going to talk about the battle in the media over who got this the wrongest between mainstream media and conservative media. We're going to talk about the dumb conspiracy theory linking 5G to COVID-19.
Starting point is 00:13:21 That is a big, big thing right now. This is a new one to me. Yeah, people are burning, in the UK people are burning down cell phone towers because this is a big conspiracy theory that's possibly being seeded and the flames are being fanned by the Putin government inussia uh because in case you
Starting point is 00:13:47 didn't know where putin was from uh because they like they know it's destructive and you know just anything to fuck with uh the western world uh we're gonna look forward to possibly another tiger king episode uh we're gonna like we mentioned before talk about high school students and what they're going through and take a look at some of the dr fauci uh merch the fouch wave uh that we got going on he's the new like robert muller like he's like the new like exactly like liberals they just need a new merch bay and after the Russia thing went completely to the total wet fart they're like okay well who's
Starting point is 00:14:30 next oh Dr. Fauci Fauci all Fauci everything now everybody needs a daddy yeah I know exactly there's a there is a campaign being waged online to try to get him named people's sexiest person of the year.
Starting point is 00:14:47 Jesus Christ. We've truly run out of ideas. No weird issues there. But first, Emily, we like to ask our guest. I'm so mad right now. No, I'm sorry. That's where we're at. But first, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are?
Starting point is 00:15:06 Well, this isn't about who I am so much, but it was something that came up and I did spend a long time searching this. So again, plugging my show, we recently had Rian Johnson on a bonus episode of our show to talk about Contact, which is a movie that I highly recommend.
Starting point is 00:15:22 He's such a great guest. Yeah, he was great on it. The episode was really fun. Highly recommend everybody go check that out. But we also had, we have a newsletter with Night Call and we do a questionnaire kind of like the Proustian questionnaire
Starting point is 00:15:36 for past and future guests. So we did it with him. And one of the questions on it is like, what's a conspiracy theory that you might actually believe in? And he said, you wrote the Tabasco sauce proposition. And I was like, what's that? I have no idea what that is.
Starting point is 00:15:53 What the fuck? And I Googled forever. I Googled. And so my search entry, the last one was Tabasco sauce, in quotes, conspiracy. And couldn't find anything. Like I looked through all these mental floss articles about like 10 facts you didn't know about Tabasco sauce and stuff, but nothing scandalous, nothing that like would warrant a conspiracy. And I finally like texted him and I was just like, what is the Tabasco sauce conspiracy? And he's like, I can the Tabasco sauce conspiracy?
Starting point is 00:16:25 And he's like, I can't tell you, but I'll tell you sometime in person. And I was like, no. So it's like a mystery that remains unsolved, but I did spend a long time trying to figure out what it was. Um, and it remains a mystery.
Starting point is 00:16:41 So if anybody knows what it is, like, let us know, give us, give us a night call or give yeah what what do you guys have is the equivalent of night calls here just an email yeah we just said that incessantly okay yeah tweet at them but i wonder who i'm i mean what do you think it is i have a feeling i have an idea of what i mean i don't know i think he's fucking with you.
Starting point is 00:17:08 I like that it was originally made from people or something. I don't know. I've actually looked at the history of Tabasco sauce for... Oh, because I read at one point that they were thinking about opening a Tabasco sauce museum. Oh, yeah. And so I was... Or not a museum, a theme park on the farm where it was originally made. Yeah, on an island, which sounded very strange to me. Great Neutral Milk Hotel album, by the way.
Starting point is 00:17:35 It's called On an Avery Island. Yeah. Is that the same island? I think it probably is, because aren't they both from Louisiana? Yeah. Ah. Yeah. It probably is because aren't they both from Louisiana?
Starting point is 00:17:43 Yeah. Yeah, so I mean, I know that Tabasco overestimates its place in the cultural firmament maybe, but I don't know how that leads back to a conspiracy theory. By the way, I do want to say, Rian Johnson is the writer-director of Knives Out and a bunch of other really great movies. Last Jedi, Looper. Loopy.
Starting point is 00:18:09 What if it's something to do because I know Tabasco, for them to have the output that they need, they're unable to grow all the requisite peppers on site and they come from all over the world. It's a global effort for them to ship the Tabasco peppers to them to then make the sauce. So I wonder if it's something to do with that because it is a global operation or the idea around that like,
Starting point is 00:18:32 look, I love Tabasco sauce. I feel like it has a place on our tables, but it is so fucking pervasive that I'm a little bit like, why is it the dominant one? Like Heinz ketchup. I get it. do we default to heinz ketchup but i think i feel like you know now that we've had new things like you know other hot sauces that we can maybe create some space yeah for the white man of tabasco sauces tabasco and just be like yeah you had your time but i wonder if there's an agreement with all restaurants to be like, no,
Starting point is 00:19:05 Tabasco will be the hot sauce of all restaurants. Like maybe that's part of it. Cause it does feel like even, even hot sauces that are in that family, like crystal, I think is way better. Oh, crystal's fantastic. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:17 Like Tabasco is my least favorite hot sauce. I like the green Tabasco. Okay. But it's never going to be my first choice. And it is a little weird that it is like, oh, that's hot sauce. Like there's so many better options out there. I think Tabasco is the best for soups. I really like it in soups. Oh, for a chowder? Chowder? Love it. With a chowder or like a creamy bisque?
Starting point is 00:19:38 Yeah, sure. Tabasco for me, it's place where I love it is breakfast that's where i that's where i have the strongest memory of using tabasco tied to the meal of breakfast on eggs that's where i give it its props but when it comes to other things like no i leave that shit alone i have other things yeah other other ways but i yeah but uh uh a hot sauce with more viscosity uh i feel like works just as well on eggs so i i like this as the Tabasco sauce. Like it is suspicious how omnipresent it is and definitely deserves.
Starting point is 00:20:10 We need to look into this, whether that's the conspiracy theory or not. The best part is that Ryan was just trolling. Yeah, definitely. We're out here spinning our fucking wheels. Like, no, this is what it is, man. It's on every fucking cocktail. He has no idea the storm he has caused
Starting point is 00:20:25 by this one errant comment uh yeah we and then this is like the beginning of a great film too or three i guess it's a film that'll come out in four years where three podcasters get so obsessed with an idea they heard offhand that they actually stumble into a truly disturbing global conspiracy and we're like like the pelican brief but for dumbass conspiracy theorist and he finally tells us what it is and it was like oh it was just that you know
Starting point is 00:20:56 it's not made from real peppers or something and we're like we've discovered bodies we've discovered mass graves I'm like yeah Miles is missing three fingers on one hand what the fuck ryan uh yeah um well this will be a great way to spend some time over the you know however long first look into ed edmund mcclainy or whatever you say his last name yeah what is something you think is underrated emily well you know it's hard not to limit things
Starting point is 00:21:26 to just obviously things that you can do right now and a lot of people have been posting you know having long threads of all the movies that they've been watching i'm i'm a former film critic so a lot of the people on my feed are film people film twitter you might call it um so everybody's sort of like logging all the stuff that they're watching which i haven't actually been watching that many movies um you could probably count on my hands how many feature-length films i've watched since this all began but um i have been watching uh some anime and uh i have very belatedly like kind of i feel like this moment was made for it. Been watching Death Note,
Starting point is 00:22:07 which is like, for me was always this thing where I was like, I'm never going to watch that. That's like for like, that was like a mid-aughts anime that was, feels very hot topic to me. It feels very like not in my wheelhouse. And I don't feel like it's taken.
Starting point is 00:22:23 I mean, people, it has its fans. It's super, super popular, but I don't feel like it's taken i mean people it has its fans it's super super popular but i don't feel like it's like taken seriously or whatever but i've been watching it and man oh man it is the best thing to be watching during this during this thing like it is it it it completely takes me away from anything that i'm thinking about uh that day and in general i think just way over the top melodramatic anime is where it's at right now for viewing material um yeah also like yeah the the style of otz japanese anime characters the
Starting point is 00:22:54 eyebrows the eyebrow game the swooshy hair like oh yeah i remember around that time i almost wanted to dye my hair like a weird steely gray oh yeah look like like host club like yeah like thought like thirst traps and japanese host clubs and i was like i don't know what the fuck i was thinking but that aesthetic was so strong shirt untucked like billowing in the wind oh yeah i did go to a um i went to like a host club in Tokyo once for an article that I was writing about like theme restaurants in Tokyo. I went, it was called like Butler's. It was like the Butler's restaurant.
Starting point is 00:23:33 It was so sad. It was really, really depressing. So, you know. Can you explain to people what hosts are? So there's like hostess clubs, which is sort of the more common thing, which is, I mean, there are variants of this in a lot of Asian cultures, but it's sort of the more common thing which is i mean there are variants of this in a lot of asian cultures but it's sort of you know it's a it's a club where basically you're hanging out with your bros and then you can also have a pretty lady come and sit with you
Starting point is 00:23:55 it's sort of like a very it's like a strip club without the dancing basically it's like got it um and everybody's like it's we offer companionship yeah companionship for the wildest markups on bottles of alcohol you've ever seen in your life and it works the same way it's like oh i'd love to stay but you know what like i would love that magnum of dom perignon can you get that for me it's only six thousand dollars and they're like okay great that'll keep you at the table and then change like the money just starts coming in coming in coming and coming in so it works for like yeah men and women and it's there's a there used to be a documentary on netflix that was really interesting about a host club in osaka that was just about like these host clubs that were
Starting point is 00:24:32 competing with each other for like the number one ranking and then like the amount of alcohol poisoning these hosts yet because you know they have to drink along the hustle is getting the person the customer, to buy as many bottles of alcohol, and you get your cut or whatever from that. But part of that is half the time, the guest doesn't even drink. They just want to see you turn up.
Starting point is 00:24:54 And they're like, oh my God, could you really drink all this Hennessy right now? They're like, yeah, watch this. And a lot of these guys get health problems too, depending on how much they're drinking. The whole scene is very wild. It's really weird. Yeah, i can't believe that they i because i i remember hearing that that everybody's drinking along and i i went to bartending school for a spell because i thought
Starting point is 00:25:16 that's how i was how i was going to make money in college and ended up like getting getting a bartending job in los angeles is one of the hardest things say it's harder than breaking into show business but uh so i never got a job as a bartender but in Los Angeles is one of the hardest things. It's harder than breaking into show business. But so I never got a job as a bartender, but I did like learn everything. And one thing that they tell you is like, oftentimes your patrons are going to want to drink with you and just like have a bottle of water that's like looks like an alcohol bottle and be like, OK, I'll drink with you, but I'm going to drink from my like the stuff that I like. And then you, you know, take a shot of tequila that's just water and then you still feel like they feel
Starting point is 00:25:49 camaraderie with you you just learn how to act like you're taking a shot without taking one it's like because yeah otherwise you're just gonna be drunk on the job all the time and and uh it's super unhealthy but yeah yeah you can actually i think it's on prime no on Prime. No, it's for sure on YouTube if you just search. It's called The Great Happiness Space is what the documentary is called. I want to watch that. And, you know, it's like any documentary. It's got good parts and bad parts, but it's a very interesting look into what is seemingly like all fun
Starting point is 00:26:18 and like told from the side of like the women who have seemingly endless funds to hang out with these guys to the dudes who are just torturing to hang out with these guys to the dudes who are just torturing themselves to like make money yeah all right before we get to your overrated let's take a quick break and we will be right back this summer the nation watched as the republican nominee for president was the target of two assassination attempts, separated by two months. These events were mirrored nearly 50 years ago, when President Gerald Ford faced two attempts on his life in less than three weeks. President Gerald R. Ford came stunningly close to being the victim of an assassin today.
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Starting point is 00:30:50 night call hosts we can go on tangents that go wildly off the rails what is something that you think is overrated Emily? I have so many things I could choose.
Starting point is 00:31:09 I mean, Tiger King is one of them, but I already went off on our podcast about Tiger King. Whatever. I'm going to do the really stinky, bitter choice here. And I think group texts are overrated. And that's just because I'm just like not somebody who's on a ton of them, but also the ones that I am on, I find it extremely difficult to keep up with.
Starting point is 00:31:42 And like, I find it to be like the least passive way to keep in touch with people because like once it starts popping off, you're just like, uh, like, do I need to sit here and watch and wait till I have something to say? Or do I like, like, I don't know. It just feels very, I find it to be a very stressful way to keep in touch with groups of people. I would rather just like text one-on-one with people, but then I feel like everybody is on some, everybody else is at on a group text or a group chat that I am not on. So I do have this like FOMO somehow, even in the middle of this pandemic where everybody has to stay at home, but I also don't love it like as a mode of communication. So I don't know. That's my, that's my hot take right now. What's funny. Yeah. Cause like those group texts they can't get away from you yeah if suddenly like everyone's talking
Starting point is 00:32:30 you have to go through 78 fucking texts because one person was like i don't know dude uh like i had the mcflurry the shamrock one's not bad like there were 78 texts over an argument over the mint flake what the fuck my phone kept going off, and I thought I was having nerve problems in my leg or something. The other part is, too, it can cause clicks to form within the group because some people are more active, and then the less active people are like, hey, man, let's just start our own real quick on this side because I'm not really fucking with half the shit people are talking about on this one. The group threads create all kinds of interesting dynamics. And I just think like texting. It's definitely not inefficient.
Starting point is 00:33:11 Yeah, texting is hard. Like nowadays, just because I know everybody's not doing anything, if I start texting with somebody, I'm like, let's just get on the phone right now so I can like put on my headset, wander around, like I don't have to be like with my thumbs on the phone and it's like we can actually do that now because people are just at home for the most part um
Starting point is 00:33:31 right yeah i would i love talking on the phone that would be my other underrated thing talking on the phone is incredible i've had some amazing long phone conversations with people since this thing has begun and it's great like not even facetime like just i have a question for the group did you ever because we are uh born in the 1980s and then came of age in the 90s and beyond but did you ever used to do the thing where you would be on the phone with your friend and do homework and you would not talk but you were on the phone like the phone line was open and you would just kind of be there yeah hey dude like and you would just use it as like an open comms link basically yeah yeah i started doing that with google like hangouts oh wow someone's doing some shit they have their shit on doing something with
Starting point is 00:34:16 their kids or something i'm doing something in my garage and then randomly like hey hey dude dude dude and they're like what what what and then start just immediately talking i don't know i found myself reverting to these same ways of using communication kind of cute i like that just having it passive like what are you watching okay what are you doing it's like i'm knitting or you know whatever you're doing watercoloring and then it's like whatever room you have the hangouts open in is like your portal to the outside so if you want to go in to your bedroom or wherever your computer is and be like what is anyone here like who's up i have a different hangout in each room because i have so many friends yeah yeah there you go they all want to just talk to me
Starting point is 00:34:59 so they're all just waiting at my beck and call yeah uh got my high school friends in the living room uh no that that sounds incredibly stressful to me but i find group texts very stressful too yeah maybe i just am stressed out by everything i think i just love just calling somebody on the phone unannounced now it's like so 90s yeah great it is kind of nice yeah and i definitely used to do that like i had a a girlfriend uh when i was very young who like wanted to always talk on the phone so i just like sit there and play video games and like wouldn't say anything yeah yeah oh that must be hard oh i'm sorry oh damn seriously no but she wasn't saying anything. I wasn't ignoring her. She just wanted to hang out on the phone.
Starting point is 00:35:47 It was like there was a daily allotment of time you had to spend on the phone to be a healthy relationship. And this was when I was like 11, maybe? Yeah, sounds right. Maybe younger, actually. And finally, what is a myth? What's something people think is true you know to be false? Well, I've just been thinking about this a lot
Starting point is 00:36:08 because I'm getting multiple emails a week from Delta in the middle of all this. I'm unfortunately a Delta customer. They have a lot of business practices that I don't agree with, but I think overall the flight experience there is just the best. And especially if it's like, if you're doing the, if you're a coastal elite who has to do New York to LA trips a lot, it's the best. I think it's the best way to go that way.
Starting point is 00:36:36 But so I do have like a medallion status and all that. So they keep emailing me like, like, Oh, like, don't worry. You're going to get to keep your status into 2021. I'm like, okay, great, great, great. Cause I was top of my list of worries. It actually was like maybe, maybe middle of my list of worries, but it was up there. But, but in general, like, even though you couldn't pay me to get on a plane right now, I, and this is my, this has been my hot take for a long time but i do think that um flying and subset of that airplane food is not bad um it's like some of the most relaxed relaxing stuff you could do obviously some people have flying phobias which is like a whole different
Starting point is 00:37:21 thing but i find and maybe this is tied with the group text thing and being stressed out of my phone i do completely cut off completely cut off yeah i mean you can pay for your internet or whatever but like being in a box where all i have to do is watch a movie or maybe like do some work if i want to but like there's really no other options for me um I find to be incredibly relaxing and I kind of like I think that some of the stuff that's like stressful about round right now is that like you're kind of just bouncing around and you don't really have any like sense of direction or like it's like it's hard for me to watch a movie because it's just like well there are all these other things maybe I should be doing, but I don't know.
Starting point is 00:38:05 What should I be doing? What do I need to do right now? And I think not having any of those questions on the table for a five-hour flight is great. I miss flying. Cut to now the at-home version of a flight where it's all day. Yeah. Yeah. It's all I got to do.
Starting point is 00:38:24 There's no expectation to do much you can microwave yourself a meal watch tv i did see a headline that was like three out of five americans are using this time at home to for self-improvement and i feel like that is an added like stressor because yeah like it's the sort of thing that like i never worked longer hours than when i was working at home because you just are always on like there's never a time when you're like well i'm i'm going home for the day yeah so you're just always on like that that same thing sort of applies to just being uh quarantined at home is like well I am not out exercising so maybe I should always be like doing something to
Starting point is 00:39:11 improve myself or something yeah whereas on a flight can't do shit yeah I mean to be honest in the beginning Emily you're like I don't I don't agree with their business practices is there any fucking airline where we're like hell yeah dude you're fucking you're not over the passengers and your employees with the stimulus money you just got like i don't know like yeah yeah no that's why i feel like you know this and any other time you would have been like okay you ran your your airline into the ground and with all those stock buybacks um okay now we're taking the airlines we're yeah i kind of realized how evil airlines have always been i was watching this it was on criterion channel this howard hawks movie only
Starting point is 00:39:51 angels have wings i didn't even end up finishing it because it was like a little bit depressing to me but cary grant is in it and he's like running a very like cheap like a little fly by night literally uh airline out of south amer. And like people keep dying. Like his pilots just keep like crashing and dying. And everybody's giving him a hard time. Like, why do you keep putting the boys up there? He's like,
Starting point is 00:40:13 I've got an airline to run. It's like, Jesus Christ. Yeah. It's always been a, an industry drenched in blood, I suppose. Good to know.
Starting point is 00:40:24 I did not know that. Irenched in blood, I suppose. Good to know. I did not know that. I did remember like, holy shit, I thought they just paid bad. I didn't realize and got us all sick by not cleaning the airplane. I do remember there was an episode of Mad Men when I think it was Pete's dad just like dies in a plane crash. That was just a thing that happened every once in a while because planes were not great back in the day. There was a higher failure rate.
Starting point is 00:40:51 And then the 70s, people started hijacking planes. Yeah, they've always been a little bit... I don't know why. I've never found them stressful for me to fly on, even though intellectually I can recognize there's always been tons of risk with that. But I don't know all right guys let's get into the stories of the day uh we have peter navarro who's not somebody i was uh familiar with miles who can you explain who this is this fucking goon
Starting point is 00:41:20 you know fucking dude just a trade guy went to harvard and he's an economist and so trump light loves that combination of words to be like yeah you're this okay you're also going to be my smart guy team um but he's been out here with all kinds of dumb fucking ideas uh i forget what the last time we had it we covered one of his quotables was but it was inevitably probably something to do with downplaying covet 19 um or no actually no one of the last times was, but it was inevitably probably something to do with downplaying COVID-19. Or no, actually no. One of the last times he made the news is because on CNN, he was being pressed about whether or not he could get ventilators and respirators to people on time. And he was just dodging the question and acting like he wasn't in charge or couldn't make those decisions when he
Starting point is 00:42:01 is. So that was sort of the last times he popped up in the news. Now, again, there's been this like internal debate or not internal. There's Dr. Fauci, who, as we all know, as our new, you know, Dr. Bay, who is the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, who is saying, hey, this hydroxychloroquine boner everyone has fucking knock it off. We don't have enough data to say this is effective. We shouldn't be putting our attention on this. And in this fight, he's up against Peter Navarro, who is just a capitalist ghoul who likes to rage masturbate
Starting point is 00:42:41 to charts of China's GDP and write books about how you can like literally words like quote vanquish the chinese quote dragon is like in how he writes about like economics to do like economic anything to do with china so that's just well he sounds like a medical expert yeah so again fauci's like please knock off this hydroxychloroquine thing. Like people on Fox News keep talking about it. It's not proven. OK, we get it. Novartis paid Michael Cohen over a million dollars. I don't know if you remember that back in the Cohen days to kind of get access to Trump.
Starting point is 00:43:15 I don't know if it has anything to do with that. But Novartis is the people who make hydroxychloroquine or at least this version. And it's, again, causing a lot of harm because one person tried to make their own and died so he was on um CNN and they were pressing him again about why he is like sticking his nose into this debate when you have Dr. Fauci who is an a fucking doctor uh in in all of this and just listen to this sort of why peter navarro believes that he should only listen to himself i have to ask a question i let you i let you go to four points in the beginning i just want to follow you're saying a second opinion here what are your qualifications to
Starting point is 00:43:54 weigh in on medicines more than dr anthony fauci why should we listen to you and not dr fauci well let me suggest john that uh later in the day you have William Grayson, another famous doctor in the city of New York. He can talk eloquently about this. But, John, doctors disagree about things all the time. My qualifications in terms of looking at the science is that I'm a social scientist. I have a Ph.D., i i understand how to read statistical studies whether it's in medicine the law economics or whatever i'm sorry that doesn't qualify you to treat patients you you know it doesn't qualify hang on john john john john john john john
Starting point is 00:44:41 dude just getting ethered with that line of like, hey, that doesn't make you qualified to treat patients. John, John, John, John. Just say the person who disagrees with you name. Hands up to the screen. Yeah. Whoa, whoa. Why'd you have to go there and be like, you're not qualified to see patients just because that's true.
Starting point is 00:44:58 You don't have to make me look bad, John. But yeah, this is sort of what's, this is the tug of war that we're seeing uh intellectually within the white house at the moment i feel like the main thing that uh makes me suspect is just how completely like motivated by market forces he is i like i would kind of even though it's he didn't put it correctly like people who are used to dealing with statistical, uh, analysis are definitely have a place in,
Starting point is 00:45:30 in this conversation, but it just seems like, I don't know. He's, he seems like not the person to be giving us that analysis. No. At this point, we're talking about medical fucking treatments.
Starting point is 00:45:42 Right. I mean, of course though, we've been like trained for this whole moment to be in a both sides argument around like science and around hundreds of thousands of people's lives like it's like well let's we gotta have some we gotta have a debate going why do i have a healthy debate going over it's like no actually don't like we should just hear what we have to do and do it like right right but it's all fuel it's not like dr fauci is like dr medicine woman who's like who's like just used to uh frontier medicine
Starting point is 00:46:13 and treating individual patients like this is specifically the thing that he is the foremost expert on and so let's just let him uh right kind the message. Yeah, now that we've heard what the expert doctor has had to say, let's let the drunk racist uncle pipe up with his hot take on what's real. Because, you know, I got a PhD also. So that's, oh, I can't look at data to analyze it? Okay. Freaking loser. But yeah, that's a lot of hope we've got.
Starting point is 00:46:44 but yeah that's a lot of a lot of hope we've got um and i do want to look at uh the dumbest conspiracy theory uh currently circulating which is the conspiracy theory linking 5g to covet 19 uh it is um first of all, just very easy to debunk because it doesn't explain how the virus spread in Iran or Japan where 5G isn't in use yet. So just if you want a quick, pointed way to debunk this completely. Wow. Okay. Debunking everything. Okay. The 5G.
Starting point is 00:47:22 I had to actually yell at my cousin for posting some shit like this on instagram one of my younger cousins yeah i was like hey idiot get this shit off the fucking timeline bro you're gonna shame the whole family with this dumb nonsense yeah but i mean in a world where like the internet is our uh connection it's like our tether to reality when we're all off in our own little quarantine bubbles. That is scary that people who are even young people who might be internet savvy, internet savviness does not necessarily help you. And in fact, can fuck you up if you're uh you know have have the wrong habits i guess definitely there's such a thing as too much in internet yeah yeah and the thing about like the
Starting point is 00:48:14 internet versus newspapers or whatever is that like you can't get to the end of the internet so when you feel like you have a story but you want more you can always find more like less reliable information if you just keep digging if you want more you can always find more like less reliable information if you just keep digging if you want if you want more information whether or not that's true information you could always find it so yeah you know it's kind of like if you watched a movie that you really liked and then it ended and you're like fuck that i want i want more i want this to continue it's like you can just go and write your own script that the screenwriter had nothing to do with. And you're like, yep, that's how this narrative ends in my mind
Starting point is 00:48:50 based off of loose threads I'm pulling together on the internet. It's fanfic, except with news. Right. Yeah. It's wild. I was reading that Jordan book that was written in 1997. This is kind of off topic, but there's so many aspects of it
Starting point is 00:49:07 where this old white writer, David Halberstam's like point of view is like so jarringly, like it seems like it's from like 60 years ago, but it's just like how people viewed everything like so recently. I feel like the internet just fucking sped things up so fast. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:30 Sometimes in good ways and sometimes in ways that are terrifying. Like now we believe 5G causes coronavirus. Yeah. So what is this exactly? So what are the mechanisms of this here? I need this explained to me. So basically they're saying that uh the radio waves uh exacerbate the disease um and that because 5g do they make it move faster do they
Starting point is 00:49:54 make it vibrate yeah exactly basically that's that's basically the theory and it all starts with this idea that 5g had just been released in Wuhan, China, and that's where the first clusters are showing up. And so they're like, well, see, ipso facto.
Starting point is 00:50:14 But it's also the fact that you have people like Woody Harrelson going online and sharing videos and being like, look, I haven't vetted it yet, but this is pretty compelling stuff, guys. Something to think about. And then sharing a video that it... Yeah, something...
Starting point is 00:50:30 Just think about it. He shared a video that he claims was footage of Chinese citizens destroying 5G towers. That was just footage of Hong Kong protesters. I haven't fully vetted. It's just very interesting was how he put it and that post got 25 000 likes what itch does this fucking scratch for somebody where you're like yeah man exactly 5g caused covid 19 like what where what are you capitalizing on what sentiment are you
Starting point is 00:50:59 like i get how other conspiracy theories like typically you know conspiracy theories help people who are disenfranchised or feel like they have no power explaining a situation or their own powerlessness but i don't understand how someone's like yeah man it's that fucking 5g man like i don't it's so it's super like tin hat stuff it's like it's like the movie safe it's like very like it doesn't it feels almost like like sub-political because it's just like classic conspiracy theory type stuff. And it's just and then so what the takeaway is that like the government is allowing this to happen because they want us to die because they're going to like Thanos the population or something. Is that. Yeah, I think that's probably varying forms of that.
Starting point is 00:51:46 I think that's where it sort of differs across the political divide because you do have Q spreading this and then people like Woody Harrelson who are less. But it started with a video with a guy in a MAGA hat, basically, that got millions and millions of views. And there's the thing that they keep being able to point to is places with 5G are also like hotspots for the disease, but it's just because places with 5G have...
Starting point is 00:52:15 Yeah, exactly. It's the same thing with saying that it's like immigrants or something. It's like, yeah, because cities have a higher immigrant population in general. Hey, man, you said it, not me, man. Hey, man, I knew it was 5G. Even before the bears, I knew it was them. Remember that? Moe, when he was blaming the immigrants.
Starting point is 00:52:36 But anyways, Putin was actively trying to stoke fears over 5G with a disinformation campaign in 2019. So people are thinking this might be his work. And also in keeping with past works by Putin, Facebook is completely unwilling to stop it. They have decided they will start removing stories about 5G causing coronavirus, but quote, only if they will cause physical harm.
Starting point is 00:53:02 Otherwise they try to fact check it and add a warning because Facebook is completely fucking useless. I just, oh, God. But also, like, who, how does, even if it is Putin, how does he benefit from a misinformation campaign on, it's just to get as many, I guess, idiots incited as possible. In my mind, I like to think Putin is a 5G hater. Well, he's just undermining any
Starting point is 00:53:27 form of authority and stability in the country. But then it's like, how would he get his ideas out there without our 5G? I don't know. It seems a little bit like shooting yourself in the foot. I don't know. But I think it's
Starting point is 00:53:44 just coming from the same, like anything that can upset the standard narrative is good for him because it sows dissent and it like upends, you know, the standard order of like how, how a Western society works. And I think that's also what people are looking for because they're bored like they they have so much time on their hands and there's like a sense that there are ways that the
Starting point is 00:54:14 government is totally fucking this up and is responsible for you know people dying but it's not in interesting ways so this is like sort of a proxy that makes it easier to wrap your mind around and gives you like a big central lie that you can kind of be in on rather than just having to read a bunch about bureaucracy and how it actually got fucked up. This is the thing that kills me, though, about like cute people is that you're so close. You so close right like they are trying to kill us and i would argue it is actually pretty interesting uh like a pretty interesting way to try to kill us or to just
Starting point is 00:54:56 like be so negligent that it basically constitutes mass manslaughter like that is happening it's just like you're you've chosen the wrong heroes in this story and like but you have every reason to be wary of the powers that be you know being capable of atrocities that's very real yeah right yeah so it's so crazy you have to do such mental gymnastics to to get yourself there, I think. All right. We're going to take another quick break and we'll be right back. This summer, the nation watched as the Republican nominee for president was the target of two assassination attempts separated by two months. These events were mirrored nearly 50 years ago when President Gerald Ford faced two attempts on his life in less than three weeks. President Gerald R. Ford came stunningly close to being the victim of an assassin today.
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Starting point is 00:59:28 And we're back. And Tiger King, Emily's favorite, I think she said favorite film? Favorite thing ever? Seminal docu-series. Isn't every Netflix docu-series a seminal docu-series i mean 100 i mean that's how that's how we talk about it up in the c-suite at netflix i mean like guys that's what we do man everything we do is seminal this is not a seminal vesicle it's a seminal vehicle for the seminal documentate
Starting point is 01:00:00 documentaries yeah yeah fuck that up. Documentaries, yeah. So there is a rumor out that there will be one more Tiger King episode to really close the loop. Do we know anything about what this episode is going to focus on? Not really. I mean, like Jeff Lowe, the dude who looks like short David Morse, he like in a cameo video like revealed that there was something coming up. Netflix has neither confirmed nor denied, but it seems possible. And it's weird because like a lot of this information like broke on Justin Turner's wife's pod.
Starting point is 01:00:42 Justin Turner plays for the Dodgers. His wife has a podcast. I don't know. Like the, the chain of information is all over the place. I don't believe this story at all anymore. Well, it's in like,
Starting point is 01:00:53 but all the, you know, like a deadline, everyone's been talking about it because of this. And I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Netflix didn't, it wasn't unequivocal on being like, no, that's,
Starting point is 01:01:03 that's a fucking joke or a lie. But I don't know. I mean, I don't know what itch you could scratch at this point with another episode of this. Yeah. We certainly don't need another one. I didn't follow it to the end. So I don't know what happens. But I feel like people have almost already forgotten about it.
Starting point is 01:01:22 We're already at that point. So they got to hurry up if they want to get that in there. Yeah. I mean, I think this could be an example of what we were talking about where after you watch a movie, if you want to like find more information on it, like you have to create more information on it.
Starting point is 01:01:40 And so because the world is starved for more information on Tiger King, they're like, there's going to be another episode. And Jeff Lowe, sure enough, the guy who is in a show that is about just unbelievably dishonest, just shady characters, is the most shady, dishonest character of them all. He's our source for this piece of information we're all like yep yeah i'll buy it i don't know yeah i don't know man take take everything out of jeff lowe's mouth with a grain of salt but yeah that's right for me i'm like even if i'm not overly invested in the only thing i'm interested about tiger king is if if david spade
Starting point is 01:02:26 will play him uh joe yeah take everything out of jeff lowe's mouth with a grain of salt but take what is on top of his head as a fashion instruction i don't know if you guys want to talk about the fact that i'm rocking the bandana with a baseball cap look, but yeah, yeah. With trucker hat. But that is my new look. I'm trying to pull it off. That, that gold cross dangle earring that you have is also fucking legit. Fucking dope.
Starting point is 01:02:56 Uh, all right, let's talk about high school students. Uh, I saw some riding around my neighborhood on bird scooters the other day. Yes, on Sunday. That sentence. Let's talk about high schoolers.
Starting point is 01:03:13 I saw a couple of them. I've seen some. I've seen some. I've seen them. They're on the TikToks. No, but they know that they're not supposed to be hanging out together, No, but they know that they're not supposed to be hanging out together, but they probably... I feel like I can forgive teenagers more than any other type of person
Starting point is 01:03:31 for breaking the social guidances that we've been given. Yeah. Yeah, their brains aren't fully developed yet. Not that I recommend it. Anybody under 21, you got to pass. You don't have a fully formed brain. We are sorry for you. Yeah, that's why you're a moron who's like,
Starting point is 01:03:47 hey, if I get corona, dude, I get corona, man. Yeah, yeah. It's like, I too... The universe begins and ends with me. I cannot conceive of my actions affecting anybody else. I am a teenager. And I know everything already. So actually, it doesn't matter what an expert says
Starting point is 01:04:01 because I already knew that. Is Trump a teenager? Is he like... Has some kind of big situation happened with him? Yeah. So actually it doesn't matter what an expert says because I already knew that. Is Trump a teenager? Is he like, has some kind of big situation happened with him? Yeah, exactly. That actually all lines up. Who was so toxic because they never could admit they were wrong.
Starting point is 01:04:16 Yeah. Whatever happened to him? Like he's president? Oh my God. He made a wish on Coney Island. To that Zoltar machine. So like there's this article in Wired where one of the editors there
Starting point is 01:04:32 was just sort of like talking to their own high school student kid and also like got them thinking about speaking to other ones. And there's been a lot of write-ups about this just because in general, like especially for high school seniors right now, this is the weirdest fucking event ever you're this is typically the fucking home stretch senioritis is about to fully
Starting point is 01:04:51 envelop your brain where you do fuck all because you've either you know you know we're probably going to college you got the prom you got the whatever and now none of that shit is happening and like so there's a very select group of kids who I think who are mourning that very specific experience. And then, and then everyone else in between who sort of like lost the structure of academia where like academia gives you the fuel to need your friends to like make your friend group even more like to,
Starting point is 01:05:18 to improve it and strengthen it because you have this like shared struggle of going through school together. Yeah. And also like just psychologically, like they have amplified as a psychologist saying amplified innate developmental motivations that make them hard to isolate at home. The hormonal changes that come with puberty conspire with adolescent social dynamics to make them highly attuned to social status and peer groups.
Starting point is 01:05:41 So like their food is gone in a way like their social food yeah yeah i saw um andrew t uh who's been a former guest on our our podcast talking about like watching two teens sneak out and like have a secret meeting at night oh yeah that tweet yeah when he's like i'm simultaneously like the bad guy and the hero yeah like i'm the hero of a zombie movie and the villain in a teen romance like yeah i can't imagine what it would be like to be a teenager right now because at first i really thought when this the outbreak was first happening i was like damn they're closing schools i'm like i wouldn't i probably would have loved that as a teenager obviously before fully understanding of what
Starting point is 01:06:27 like the the human death toll would be yeah but like very myopically being like oh that would be pretty cool if like you didn't have to go to school forever and then realizing wait that's from my perspective now from what i thought i wanted then and then i sort of realized my generational bubble too. I was just being like, oh yeah, dude, I don't know what the fuck this is like for teens.
Starting point is 01:06:49 And I'm sure many listeners to have, there are a lot of listeners who have younger kids or teenage kids who are like, yeah, this is happening all the time. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say,
Starting point is 01:06:59 I don't know what Andrew did at the end of that tweet. If he, uh, talk to them, I called the cops on those kids who are driving around and just let, let the cops know that, you know, these kids are out here.
Starting point is 01:07:13 The cops are the most annoying thing right now. The cops are just like circling around. Like I was, I was trying to go to pick up like some people, some very nice people on twitter had left out some stuff for me somebody left out some beans for me somebody left out some thermometers for me so I was like going to make these pickups and I was like driving through silver lake and like there were these I was stuck behind a cop car that was going like five miles an
Starting point is 01:07:40 hour and like I was just I had nowhere to go like i could only just like tail tailgate them basically and it's just like what are they doing they're just like trying to enrage me right now because they have like nothing else to do because for the most part right now at least you know everybody's at home there's not chaos in the streets or anything right yeah it's just important that these teens see them, you know, the teens see them and know they're out there paying attention. That's what all it takes is one of these jerks to hurt themselves in my driveway. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:12 And I'm, and I can lose my house. Oh my God. See, why is this making us all senior citizens so much earlier than we should be? It's really sad. They're jerks. They're all jerks, these kids.
Starting point is 01:08:31 Yeah. All right. Well, teens, we feel for you. Hang in there. Use each other. Use any resources you can for mental health purposes. for mental health purposes. And if you don't want to talk to your parents about it,
Starting point is 01:08:52 just let them know that you need somebody to talk to and I'm sure they'll find a way to, or hopefully they'll find a way to get you some resource because this sucks and it's totally understandable that this would be incredibly difficult for you guys to deal with. But don't go out and kiss your girlfriend or boyfriend and then bring back COVID to your family. Don't do that. And if you have any friends, because we all have friends who live with grandparents, think about them.
Starting point is 01:09:18 Because they have to go home to a family or people in the home who are at risk. That's the other thing. It's like, whew. Yeah. Please be safe. Also. Okay. I'm going to teens that listen to the daily zeitgeist.
Starting point is 01:09:30 Yeah. But, but okay. So I'm going to extend this though to the adults that listen to the daily zeitgeist. Okay. Because I am very aware of many people who are still seeing their significant others,
Starting point is 01:09:41 their non-living significant others through all this. And I would just like to say right now cut that shit out cut it out do not do it it's not cool i just read some like what the like cut sex diary about the girl who's like roommate kept inviting guys over like different guys oh no and this is in new york city too it's just like stop like everybody just be like you don't have the excuse anymore of being a teenager and also if you have a roommate you're putting that person in danger don't be a fucking idiot right now i was curious like you know if people have like sex addictions what that you know like how there's really you can't exercise any caution especially if you're like your brain is running on like,
Starting point is 01:10:25 I need to be with intimate immediately. The thing that I've seen just with your comment about like significant others, do you know people who are like, have been together for years, but have separate places and are like isolating away from each other, even though they see, I know a few couples where I'm like, how are y'all not living together already? Right.
Starting point is 01:10:53 And even through this are like half quarantining in your own places, but you're in a real. Yeah. Anyway, I mean, that's just a little goss from me. I have close friends who are doing this and I've just said everything I can.
Starting point is 01:11:04 And it's just like, okay, well, you're like, but we're not seeing anybody else said everything I can and it's just like okay well but we're not seeing anybody else it's only it's like I know she hasn't been anywhere I'm just like you don't know that if you're not living with her you don't know what she's doing like
Starting point is 01:11:16 that Rona drama yeah where you been fucking around you got me sick it's gotta be difficult on young people it's got to be it's got to be difficult on young people it's got to be difficult on young relationships too because that's yeah that's a lot to uh persevere through i think of myself in high school and the lengths i already went to like meet up with my girlfriend i can only imagine what teenagers now like the kinds of fucking tactics like special forces tactics they're using to like escape
Starting point is 01:11:49 their homes to like meet up and teenagers are like built to break rules like if you set a rule down like a teenager is just like okay how can I circumvent this like that's the first instinct it's just but in this case yeah
Starting point is 01:12:04 kind of got a knot I think that's the first instinct it's just um but in this case yeah kind of got a knot kind of got a knot i think that's a good place to leave it uh emily it's been a pleasure having you where can people find you follow you hear you i am on twitter at emily oshita uh i'm also on the night call podcast right here on this here network um. And that's at Night Call Pod on Twitter. And we've got new episodes every Monday and bonus episodes on our Patreon. So we've got a lot of content coming. That's where you can find me for the most part.
Starting point is 01:12:37 And is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying? Oh, yeah. I got to bring this one up. It's sort of hard. It's an image one, but it was just a picture of a reader board
Starting point is 01:12:49 outside of a church, one of those. All it says is Jesus, six o'clock, parking lot. And the tweet is, is this church going to
Starting point is 01:12:58 whoop Jesus' ass? I'm going to send it. But, yeah. It's pretty good it's like you know i can't i guess they're still having like this is a church that's still having services like outdoor services or something like yeah the parking lot meetups where like people are yeah People are, yeah. Yeah, my mom is a member of a church. Yeah, my mom is a member of a church. They've been doing Zoom meetings. They have a Zoom Palm Sunday service.
Starting point is 01:13:34 You know, it's all possible. You can be safe. There we go. Everything is possible through him. I mean, I have the blood of Christ on me right now. That's why I don't wear a mask. Yeah, yeah. Maybe that's the teens. Um, uh, maybe that's,
Starting point is 01:13:46 that's the teens. The teens are all just evangelical Christians. All the teens who are going out, they just believe they're indestructible with the power of Christ. So power of Christ, the blood of Christ on them. That's what protects them actually. So I don't need an N95 mask.
Starting point is 01:13:59 Um, you can find me, follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and PlayStation network at miles of gray, G R on Twitter, Instagram, and PlayStation Network at milesofgray, G-R-A-Y. And also my other podcast, 420 Day Fiance, talking about the show, 90 Day Fiance with Sophia Alexandra. A tweet I like is from a frequent guest and sometimes Quar co-host, Jamie Loftus, at Jamie
Starting point is 01:14:20 Loftus Help. If you know anything about her personal brand is she loves American Girl dolls um and she tweeted this image out that it's so funny she said so excited i've been chosen to write the new american girl dolls for the pandemic era love to live through a historical event and she has four dolls but like just crudely put on like masks on them so one's called elsie who has started talking to inanimate objects then there's opal who has fled to her parents estate there's also alexis the essential worker who has fucking had it and finally rarity frantically posting thought pics and going on social distancing dates
Starting point is 01:15:01 that's amazing. Love it. Morgan Murphy tweeted, Hi, this is my joke on my dog. His name is Jack. May I have a car, please? Because Elon Musk stole one of her tweets, just took a screen cap of it,
Starting point is 01:15:20 and with no attribution, tweeted, so proud, which doesn't even make sense. The original tweet was, my dog got a haircut and now it looks like he gave up drinking, which I think is actually a really good description of the difference between a dog pre and post haircut. But Elon Musk not only tried,
Starting point is 01:15:42 so he just screen capped it, retweeted the image of the screen cap with so proud. So with the implication being that it was his dog and his joke. Like, what the fuck? So yeah, Morgan Murphy tweeted, hi, this is my joke and my dog. His name is Jack. May I have a car, please? And then he accused Morgan Murphy of being a pedophile.
Starting point is 01:16:04 Yeah, and then he was like, all right. Wait, he accused Morgan Murphy of being a pedophile. Yeah, and then he was like, all right. Wait, he accused Morgan Murphy of being a pedophile because of that? No, because he said that to that English diver. Oh, right, right, right. And he was talking shit. He goes, yeah, you're a pedophile. It's like, oh, yeah, Elon. Truly our greatest mind.
Starting point is 01:16:18 I know, one of the greats. And then Jasmine Hughes tweeted, all respect to the woman who just leaned out the window of her apartment and screamed, I'm bored. I respect that. You can find me on Twitter, Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram.
Starting point is 01:16:41 We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. We link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as the song We Ride Out on Miles. What is that going to be? Let's go out
Starting point is 01:16:57 on a track by the Frighteners which is a band. We've done, I think, one song from them before they are you know great great band they play their instruments like real life people and you've heard them like they come from
Starting point is 01:17:14 all kinds of bands like Antibalus the Dap Kings just everywhere these guys are solid musicians but this is them doing a little bit more you know of some reggae some classic rocksteady type shit but this is them doing a little bit more you know of of some reggae some classic rock steady type shit and this is from uh their album that came out a couple years ago called nothing more to say and this track is called till then because till then we'll be signing off but yeah
Starting point is 01:17:37 this is a great song their whole album is great it sounds like it was recorded 50 years ago um and it just it. So check that out. Good environmental music. All right. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That is going to do it for us for this morning.
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