The Daily Zeitgeist - The TDZ 2020 Person(s) Of The Year

Episode Date: December 29, 2020

On this holiday special, Jack and Miles are joined by super producers Anna Hossnieh and Danl Goodman to discuss who they think are the people of the year 2020. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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uh i don't know that that doesn't work quite as well with the echo sound effects uh this is the year in review person where we uh make fun of's pick for person of the year and tell them all how they got that shit wrong. Do our own overrated picks for person of the year and our own underrated picks person of the year. I am Jack. That is

Miles. And we are joined, of course, by Supers producer DJ Dan-O! It's your boy. And Super producer, Anna Hosier! I get all these weird cuts on my hands, but I don't know what they're from. Damn it, Anna.

He said he was going to talk about the hand cuts on my hands. Strange. I told you it's stigmata. I told you to accept the word of Christ. They're in the middle of your palms. Stigmata. It's so weird. It really is weird. But anyway, go ahead. Go ahead. Thank you.

Thank you, Manos. I got a lot of inexplicable cuts on my hands, and that'll do it. As we're recording this, we are a few days removed from time magazine uh selecting their person of the year and it is joe biden kamala harris uh the the ticket that they're one person yeah they're one person uh they they do this sometimes like uh there is the year when they were so out of ideas

that they just put a mirror on the cover and said, you are the person of the year. They are bad at their job. Picking Biden-Harris feels weird because I feel like they were elected at least partially despite who they were or because there was like an absence of things that people could object to there.

Um, they were the reaction to a personality that dominated the media. Um, and I don't think we look back on this year as the year of Biden and Harris. Like I could see maybe Fauci, uh, but if you were going incredibly mainstream. I don't know.

It would have felt like at least a more interesting pick if they had picked, I don't know, the activists, the people who died of COVID. Hey, what's wrong with... Joe Biden and power.

With Joe Bidenynum. I mean, wow. What a guy. So we are going to give our own people our picks for persons of the year is the idea. And I'm going to go first, guys. Donald Trump.

Have you seen this guy? Easy, easy. And also we'll talk about other persons and I'm going to go first guys Donald Trump easy and also we'll talk about other persons of the year overrated persons of the year but I can go with my pick so Jacinda Ardern who is the PM

in New Zealand New Zealand perfect nailed it is the PM in New Zealand. New Zealand. New Zealand. Perfect. Perfect. Nailed it. Perfect. All right. Managed to absolutely nail the COVID response.

Just kicking the ass of many nations around the world with old men in charge. She is a young woman. In fact, I found out she is exactly a day older than me. One day.

Get it together. We're almost. I know. She has a day head start, so I give that all the credit. Hey, did you ever used to do that? Like when you'd be all comparative in your career? Oh, always. That person's actually six months older, so they kind of got the jump on that shit.

That is, yeah. comparative in your career that person's actually six months older so like they kind of got the jump on that shit that is yeah that's a big big uh me when i was in my 20s energy yeah just like every movie that was made and be like how's that uh how's the guy who uh wrote that oh shit um anyways i feel with lebron we had old yeah i know right i'm saying i'm older than lebron so i'm like yeah but you know he had to jump on me like physiologically anyways while the rest of the world had old uh people arguing and you know we specifically had old people failing the country they had someone who was young on top of her shit. Just everything America should be turning towards, and America promptly turned its back on that and was like, well, because extra super establishment pick

Hillary Clinton was unpopular, it must mean we can't nominate a woman. She's also just a stark contrast with America's old man obsession because she's our collective daddy issues yeah exactly she succeeded a creepy old man who used to tug girls ponytails i feel like that's oh so then whoever is the president after joe biden will maybe be a jacinda type yeah exactly i don't know like jokes. That's just the truth. Straightforward observation

about how they behave in public. Yeah, it's like a type of disordered old person we are addicted to having run our country. And our country is just, I don't know, it's also like the, I think she embodies the fact that this was the year,

like I think we all had a sense that America was no longer like the city on the hill that other countries turn their eyes to. But this was like probably the most stark and unavoidable for all Americans to be like, oh yeah, we look to other countries for hope and inspiration while our country is just completely shitting the bed. I think even conservatives probably couldn't avoid wishing they lived in New Zealand. And in fact, a bunch of billionaires bought up property in New Zealand. Right. They're running their government somewhat responsibly and you know are

guided by things like science rather than profits that's what's so funny is like it's such a while yes like her leadership is fantastic it's like it's just a very simple thing that from our side of the ocean we look at as being like what they prioritized human life over the like profit margins of businesses yeah what how how could they but the companies and it's just a weird thing that you know the like mainstream of american culture really can't get past that next thing of just realizing the only thing getting in our way is the greed of wealthy people that's really the thing that's blocking everything up that's all it is and these other places we're like what can we be like that it's because they're being like a greedy ass we're coming to take a bite of that

fucking money you made because that's how we're gonna help everybody out because oh you don't have yacht money boo fucking who uh because people don't have like shelter or food but yes and then i feel like young women just in general like were crushing it this year in the u.s and culture around the world but i still think aoc continues to be the most exciting political figure uh even though i feel like the dirtbag left sort of underrates or dismisses her because, uh, it's too mainstream to be cool, but I think she's kind of become underrated on the left a little bit.

And, you know, they dominated music, uh, with. AOC. Yeah. All those singles this year,

all those singles she was dropping. Uh, WAP was the song of the year indisputably and uh sort of sexually liberated from a women's perspective like just mocking the idea that somebody would be like pearl clutchy about about women's sexuality and like not that like jacinda had a baby in 2018 but like that was one of the big questions coming into her administration was, uh, like,

can a woman like give birth while in office and like have a, a child. And, uh, she in 2020 got reelected in a fucking landslide. Um, but can a woman give birth while in office? Will her hairs fall out?

Like what? Yeah. Her hairs fall out? Like, what? Her hairs fall out? What is this kind of concern for them? So, I don't know. And I think New Zealand was just dominating the culture in sort of an underrated, not super obvious way. Yeah, I mean, Guy Montgomery,

when he would come on, just stealing the show all the way from Auckland. And I'm tired of it. And then she's also Labor Party, and I believe that's the direction the world is going. It's either fascism or more socialist, collectivist identities, and that she seems to be, I don't know, ahead of that, at the head of that.

So, yeah, Jacinda, my person of the year. Hell yeah. But stop being so successful because you're making me look bad. Hey, but it's 24 hours, bro. You know what I mean? I got 24 hours to catch that shit. You got held back. You got held back.

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And we're back. And who wants to go next? Who's up? Miles, you want to give us your person of the year? Dan, Dan, no. Come on, Dan. Dan, Dan, step up. Step up, young man. I'll go.

I'll go. One, you kind of mentioned this group of people earlier, but it's activists, and specifically activists encouraging down-ballot elections and paying attention to down-ballot elections, where especially, you know, this is local to LA, but we're seeing it all over the country, people paying more attention to people like senators, paying attention to council people, paying attention to, you know, every office that helps control your direct life. We have realized more and more that we are in a lot more control of our world around us than we

give credit for. I think it's the perception that the presidential election is the one, and that your one vote doesn't mean a whole lot in the sea of votes. But the fact of the matter is controlling the world around you can end up being a much more localized, much more important voice than you think you have. And I think we saw that a lot. We saw it directly in our lives here in LA, and we've seen it all over the country with support for the senatorial race in Georgia. And I just think that the activists and the people who are pushing for people to just pay attention to politics really had a banner year in making that happen yeah we definitely did yeah thank you man and going local

and like actually interacting with your own community which is a foreign concept in america yeah no it's a good illusion that you know when we emphasize federal politics so much it allows for all this other weird shit to happen in state legislatures and all these other places because yeah the perception especially if you're just watching like national news is that it's what's happening nationally or at the federal level when it's like right wait but the reason my sidewalks are all fucked up is because this same city council person runs unopposed and nobody's just trying to fuck with them because they have a bunch of you know developer donor money and it's like how am i gonna stand to that but we're

seeing people be like you know what let me just fuck around and see and now uh yeah there's a people are realizing there's a tremendous amount of support for these kinds of candidates mariah parker yeah bingo and if you shout out guest nithya also uh zykan guest yeah it's just nice to see things like gerrymandered parts of the city become memes and what i mean by that is like we have to infect the culture the way that we can and just telling people to vote isn't successful as much as saying like i laugh at stuff like this until i see this person's dumb ass gerrymandered section of the city and then people actually look at it. They're like,

Oh, I'm taking this in, in my feed of information where I'm usually taking in like jokes and sometimes information. But this like is bullshit. Like I think a lot of people were really woken up to the idea of districts and redistricting in this year. I was going to say that telling people to vote tired,

telling people to rock the vote why fuck yeah dude ah rock the vote remember when jack introduced mud honey at the rock the vote concert uh what uh and then what's your overrated person of the year, DJ Daniel? Oh, my overrated person of the year is gatekeeping gamers. And I would say gamers as a whole. I think that as more people are taking to the world of video games, we need to strip away all of the walls that make something a gamer or not a gamer. If you're playing a game on your phone, guess what? You're participating in the culture of video games.

If you're playing Animal Crossing New Horizons,na's falling asleep but you know what that's okay because i just think it's so important your mom's playing words with friends she's gaming she's garden scapes you're gaming you're gaming fam and i think it's uh i think it's important that we open up you know culture to everyone the idea of gatekeeping is just trying to hold people back from really appreciating something that they enjoy and seeing it in video games makes me sick and what's the thing that happened what are what were gamers doing to like the people who were just getting into gaming this year like what was that looking like man fucking news like what what was the sort of discourse around because i mean you know we're talking about how gaming has been embraced a lot

more with people being at their homes. Absolutely. What was the vibe of the toxic gamer community in terms of this new game? A very small example is people complaining online that they can't get a Switch because too many people are into Animal Crossing. that just because you're too slow to the punch to get something is other people's fault because there's a very popular video game that doesn't fit into whatever games you want to play is stupid. I think it's just ridiculous. The fact that, you know, yes, things are sold out. And yes, things are hard to find right now. And it's like, you know, supply and demand is tough, especially when like, we're still picking up the domino pieces of every shipping supply

being completely turned off because of covid but like let people enjoy what they're enjoying let people like let people just like take into these worlds and lose themselves for for however long they want and just like enjoy the space i tried dan but but these switch noobs, man, they make me so mad. I've been a switch hitter day one. Oh, my God. I feel it. Hey, man, I feel it. All right, super producer Ana Hosnier,

you were audibly groaning during our other... It's all for show to bring Dan all down one microaggression at a time. It's so easy. You must try it. I'm so soft. I will say if you ever call me a gamer, Dan, I will... Well, how come you don't like that? Why are you taking offense to that?

Because I've never been like, come on! At a TV screen. But that's not what it is. And there you go. Yes, it is is I've been tortured by my boyfriend's gaming okay I'm not a gaming

I'm a pleasant this is a romcom waiting to happen I am a pleasant I am a pleasant switch player is what I call myself a PSP

a pleasant switch player I do not scream at my game I do not get scream at my game. I do not get heated at my game. What if you got fucked over on some turnip prices? That's not possible. You sound like a smart person

trying to act like they're not smart. Like to impress their dumb friends. Possibly. I'm not good at And we're the dumb friends. Thatibly. I'm not, I'm not good at that. And we're the dumb friends. What do you want me to say to that? No,

I, I, you know, it's just hard for me to wrap my mind around being a gamer because like, I don't, I don't understand games on like animal crossing is the most simple thing to me. It's just like,

I go, I fish, I sell the fish. I go, I fish. I sell the fish. I go, I catch butterfly. And I'm not trying to, like, symbolize it. Like, I'm a simple person. I have zero hand-eye coordination. I cannot shoot a gun on a game.

Oh, you're a baller. We've seen you basketball. We've seen you on the court. I want to kind of, like, also... I just want to readjust this a little bit because I think this is kind of part of what I'm getting at. You know, like when I say you're doing this, you're a gamer, you're doing this, whatever.

Basically, it's kind of like the when everybody's special, no one's special. When we're all gamers, nobody's really gamers. We're just playing video games. This is your internalized gamer misogyny. Yes, probably. Fuck you as a game. What if I just came in so hot

no no I just you like turn on your switch you're like fucking idiot you're like oh wait where'd that come from no I just have serious trauma listening and watching people screaming I totally get that and you're like well that ain't me like when I hear the tone of a certain video game

I like go in the closet like he's gonna start when you hear that PS when you hear that PS4 beep, you're like, oh shit. Or just when the tone of Apex Legends? Is that what it's called? Apex Twins? I don't even know. He loves Apex, yeah.

Honey, I already feel the anger. Your overrated person of the year, Anna, is Tom Nook. Yes, okay, let's get into that, okay? I keep bringing that up. The most overrated person of the year, Ana, is Tom Nook. Yes. Okay, let's get into that. Okay. All right. We're bringing that up. Tee-da. By the way, I start this off by saying I'm no gamer.

But let me get into this. I'm no gamer. Tom Nook is over fucking rated. Yes. Let me just say, Tom Nook, and if you guys don't know who that is, he is the owner of the island you move on to in Animal Crossing. Preach. Which is a video game, correct?

Tell them. Tell them. This motherfucker is a scamming piece of shit. You move to this island, he is like, you owe me 5K. What, motherfucker? Off the bat. You invited me to the island. Next thing I know,

oh, you want a bigger house? That's 2 million. Like, I am in debt up to my eyeballs. That's why I have to hustle. That's why I have to buy and sell the turnips. It's not

because i'm just naturally very interested in kind of stock market s things okay it's because i have to survive in this game i need all the furniture my kitchen isn't done yet it's just shit to buy i am shaking trees hoping furniture i am hoping stoves fall out of trees because i am in the system fighting to survive i have two lives i'm paying bills in two different universe eyes okay this is my question because of tom nook is animal crossing just some like fucking analog for the grind of existing in capitalism the way you're talking and then i'm like and so y'all so people are escaping into another version of their shitty life like but it's like yeah but i can design my cabin though yes but you look cute right okay so it's the new second life that's all i've ever

wanted was just to look cute it's like it has the rhythm of like life right it's like you every day oh you want it's all in real time. It's all in real time, too. It's all in real time, too. You can't just be like, oh, I'll play for six hours and blow through the entire game. You've got to be coming back 24-hour game cycle. Wow. I buy something, I have to wait for the package to come in the mail. I just do want to point out, and while you were saying about how Zach will be yelling,

you did start off talking about how you played a video game and said this motherfucker just I just want to put that that has big gamer energy too so welcome to the family but that's me under any scammer I don't also I don't vocalize this under

I'm not yelling this out loud I don't say anything when I play in my mind I go it's okay it's not your fault right yeah it's not your fault and you're not him I just go it's this is like right it's like when my therapist has to remind me I'm not my father I'm also not someone who asks to speak to the manager i just don't have that energy so i'm not here yelling at my screen like how dare he asked me to spend two million to put an attic in you know like i don't do that i'm just like you do like we do just stay quiet and let that turn into resentment yeah for tom nook tom nook sounds like a monster but he also sounds like he would be a good person of the year because it's like such a central metaphor.

He's entered everyone's mind. Yeah, he's entered everyone's mind. He is like the capitalist ghoul that we're all dealing with. And he speaks in a way that makes it your idea. It's your idea that you want that basement included. It doesn't even speak real words. It's just...

I understood that perfectly. My gibberish is fluent. Next thing I know, I have an attic, a basement, three bedroom house. Living the life You're killing it You're one of the finest

Damn Animal Crossing players In the whole god damn country I am debt free on Animal Crossing And I am I am a millionaire But To get there, you don't even know how many Hairs I lost

You don't know how many hairs I lost Getting to this lifestyle That I don't even know how many hairs i lost you don't know how many hairs i lost getting to this this lifestyle that i don't even have in real life anymore i don't i'm not a millionaire in real life i am debt full in real life but at least on animal crossing i've created the perfect sanctuary um damn i'm starting to totally understand the appeal now yeah i'm proud of you you know what does that make me a me a gamer? It's like cutesy matrix. Fine, I'm a gamer. It is a cutesy matrix, a thousand percent. And now you're like in the cutesy matrix.

Like, yeah, fuck that. I would rather be in there. It's true. I'll be like, Zach, look at my outfit. And then you wave the magic wand. Boom. New outfit. And he's like, it seems a little well, a little trite honestly, the whole outfit. And then you're. And he's like, it seems a little, well, a little trite,

honestly, the whole outfit. And then you're like, not like this. Not like this. No. All right, let's take a quick break

and we'll come back to hear, Miles, your peoples of the year. How do you feel about biscuits? Hi, I'm Akilah Hughes, and I'm so excited about my new podcast, Rebel Spirit, where I head back to my hometown in Kentucky and try to convince my high school to change their racist mascot, the Rebels, into something everyone in the South loves, the biscuits. I was a lady rebel. Like, what does that even mean?

The Boone County Rebels will stay the Boone County Rebels with the image of the Biscuits. It's right here in black and white in print. A lion. An individual that came to the school saying that God sent him to talk to me about the mascot switch. As a leader, you choose hills that you want to die on. Why would we want to be the losing team? I'd just take all the other stuff out of it. On segregation academies,

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the underrated person of the year? You know what underrated? This is going to be controversial because I don't think anyone knows who this person is there we go anthony davis of the la lakers and i say that because while he you guys will be like i think he's appropriately rated no we are not talking enough about anthony davis yes i just watched his becoming episode on disney plus so I have this whole scope of him as a human being.

But like, he's a great goddamn player. Yep. I mean, that is the one thing I know about him. I feel like we're not taught, like, maybe it's because my Twitter is,

I don't literally fully follow NBA Twitter. Maybe people are talking about this. But I personally don't think anyone's talking about it. They should be. I don't hear it enough. It's all LeBron this,

LeBron that. Cool. Yeah. Great. We've heard of him. He's only the number two ranked player this season. Yeah.

Let's talk about AD a little more. Enough of Harden's beard. We get it. He's a gummy bear. Talk about Davis's brow. Yeah. Less beard. More brow, guys.

More brow, guys. As a child who was fully just just i grew up with a unibrow very it took a long time for my mom to say fine shave off your eyebrows do what you gotta do right but all of them i see myself in anthony davis damn right so he's he's holding it down brow culture yes Yes. Brow culture also just like seems like a really chill nice guy who also happens to be a really great basketball player.

Yeah. Yeah. Anecdotes about him are always like he sounds like a very normal person or like he's like really into nerdy stuff too. Like you're like

damn this feels like a little tech whiz. His siblings his one of his older sister still tries to take him on in basketball like she doesn't even care like she's like yeah sure bud i will destroy your energy we need yeah he was like six one when he was a sophomore in high school i think yeah like he he shot he didn't yeah he become abnormally he went six two to six eight or something junior to senior year

or something or sophomore to junior year and that's why he's so good because he was just like a point guard yeah that's like the found the base that he's building all of his skill sets off of but that's also like a once in a generation thing where somebody grows and like isn't awkward is just like yeah i just am all those same skills, but big now. Right. Yeah, because Dennis Rodman also had a legendary growth spurt too. But he wasn't really fucking with basketball like that where it was true.

It was like, I don't know. And then combined with my tenacity and height, it's all working out for the warm. He was wrestling bulls and biting their nuts off. Oh, that's right. Wow. So underrated. Anthony Davisis of the great underrated that is uh shout out great job uh miles what is your overrated and overrated person of the year i mean the overrated i think i totally agree i think the biden harris

stuff is completely overrated um i think this totally agree. I think the Biden-Harris stuff is completely overrated. I think this whole administration is just doing a wonderful job of just diversifying the face of oppression rather than actually tackling the systemic issues of oppression. But, you know, well, fine. We love a great photo, don't we? So, yes, I'm fully on board with that. Another overrated, which I think a lot of people haven't thought about, are these two guys named Kawhi Leonard and Paul George. Oh, shit.

Collectively, what was that? Y'all, Paul George. Look, him just signing a new deal and the shit he's already talking, I'm like, please, step up. I'm ready. And, you know, we want a little competition in Laker land because it's a very Clipper energy for him to be like, oh my MVP season.

It's like you finished third, bro. Y'all are so cruel to your own. The LA basketball fans. The Clippers and Lakers thing is weird because the Lakers are the team and it just became a contrarian team to follow in the city.

All my Clipper friends that are Clipper fans all did it because they didn't like the Lakers. They just did it to argue with me and my other Laker friends. But, you know, that's that. I don't have much to say about the overrated. But underrated, I just want to say, is Darnella Frazier, I believe, is probably one of the most underrated people this year. She's the young woman who actually recorded the video of George Floyd being murdered by the police. And when you just think of the mere existence, it took the just eight, you know, whatever, 10 minute long clip of watching someone get killed in slow motion to jar people enough

inside of themselves to begin to out loud begin to say things like systemic white supremacy or these other things now a lot of places they they gave it it's 15 minutes and are back to regularly scheduled programming but there's definitely a group uh and it's a it's awakened a part of american culture that I think, um, unfortunately took, you know, more additional loss of, uh, unarmed,

you know, people of color, but that the mere existence of that video completely changed the conversation because we had to bear witness to the horrific nature of policing in this country. And, you know, she's,

she is, she has been winning awards, but I, I just think of what and you know she's she is she has been winning awards but i i just think of what it this she's 17 either at the time she's 17 or she may she may still be 17 but the wherewithal and courage and you know just being like this is i have this has to be seen or we people need to know uh i don't know i just get i still kind of get a little choked up thinking about it because it really it set off a whole uh wave of change or you know the beginnings of what we hope can be real meaningful change but you know obviously even the video that we saw from the perpetrators of ahmaud arbery's murder you know that you know

that that was taken by somebody involved, which is just horrific in its own right. But it was that one, two punch of seeing that on video. And then George Floyd, which is apparently what it took to, you know, get people to have this conversation in earnest, um, I think really can't be discounted. Uh, but I think, but then that's why I get a little bit worried about this Biden-Harris administration, because all of that energy we saw is only going into a party that is saying, hey, don't say defund the police or we have issues with policing or even Barack Obama saying, hey, let's that's not it's a little too slick or whatever the fuck it is. it is that's why again underrated too are the activists because it takes these people who are actually confronting the ills of our society day to day and are still committed to trying to rectify these situations that even are propelling us towards something that looks better and you know shout out to fucking everybody who put their blood sweat and tears into any kind of anything that was

for social good this year uh uh, you know, recognized or unrecognized, uh, because I think that's just a massively underrated thing that is happening. And also just to feel that empowerment within yourself, you don't need to always be a army of people or have an entire group. You can be a teenager with a cell phone camera who was just documenting some kind of horrific thing to make sure that people aren't dying in vain. Because unfortunately, many hundreds of thousands of people are already dying in vain, whether it's under the fucked up way we're handling the pandemic or over-policing.

And she was taking her life into her own hands there. Absolutely. By doing that. Absolutely. That can't be understated. there absolutely by doing that absolutely like that can't be understated like that is when you're doing that like you're watching somebody straight up murder someone in broad daylight calmly and like that person what what's to stop them from doing the same thing to you when they see that you're taping it um yeah absolutely a hero and i i think like just tying it all together with the biden harris thing i think before we uh got on we were talking about a um somebody getting mad that somebody had leaked audio of biden like talking shit or just being dismissive right on a call uh with organizers and activists

and being like why would you do that to the democratic party? Like, I think there's going to be a real, a lot of people in the mainstream media and the, you know, media establishment who are going to be surprised how much things have changed with, with people,

with their audience, uh, when it comes to black lives matter, when it comes to, uh, actually expecting leftist like more socialist policies um so right that is my hope for 2021 is that people are taken aback that we make cnn say why i never well i think that that's that's the thing that's happening that i don't know i don't

think democrats or like the liberal establishment are quite aware of because they're just looking like well they voted for him it's like yeah because there's a level of awareness on this side that is saying yeah as a binary between biden and trump yeah that's clear however it is not going to end there and the activists and progressives will continue to be a thorn in the side. And it's not like, you know, there are people who are like, I held my nose and voted for Donald Trump as a Republican, but there weren't enough of those people to actually be like, wait, what's going on? There were more people who were blindly just buying all in into this racism. But, you know, there's the fracturing will occur. will occur and that'll be really interesting to see how they try to basically put these movements down because they are like you know people write disingenuine disingenuous pieces like in politico that's like how the left fell in love with joe bynum it's like no fool you just

wrote that shit out just like that but that's not what it is um so yeah i think people are in in store for a very interesting next few years but hopefully one that is actually like being driven by the sincere desire for progress. I mean, he can side with Pelosi and like the establishment or he can actually, you know, follow the lead of where the energy is in the party and surprise people and have a successful term because i mean there's just no energy like if he if he fucks over the progressive side of the movement then like i feel like there's real division if he fucks over the other side like they're gonna go along with it because it's gonna be popular like what yeah which is funny it's like if you do the good thing more people are actually into that. But they live in a world where the majority is like this other kind of American who is living in a completely different reality.

So it's fucking up everybody's perception. All right, guys. That is going to do it for our time person of the year episode. Our zeitgeist person of the year uh you heard it here that is gonna do it for today we'll be back with more uh episodes to keep you guys entertained and informed and thinking during this holiday break uh until then take care enjoy uh any downtime you may uh get to get to have. Thanks, guys. Talk to you soon. Bye.

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