The Daily Zeitgeist - The Trender Of The Zeit 11/11: NFL, Germany, Cracker Barrel, Inflation, Astroworld, Debra Messing

Episode Date: November 12, 2021

In this edition of The Trender of the Zeit, Jack and Miles discuss NFL news, Germany's COVID crisis, 'millenials' trying Cracker Barrel for the first time, the inflation surge, the 'demonological' ana...lysis of the Astroworld, and Deborah Messing > Nicole Kidman as Lucille Ball according to Twitter. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me for I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me for I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:00:30 I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese.
Starting point is 00:00:39 Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have
Starting point is 00:00:46 changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. I'm Keri Champion
Starting point is 00:01:01 and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's basketball. And on this new season, we'll cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeart Radio apps,
Starting point is 00:01:25 or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradenti. And I'm Jermaine Jackson-Gadson. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. There's a lot to figure out when you're just starting your career. That's where we come in. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in people who do, like negotiation expert Maury Tahiripour. If you start thinking about negotiations as just a conversation, then I think it sort of eases us a little bit. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to this episode of this is the trender of the zeit
Starting point is 00:02:07 oh yeah uh it's crazy a chair food on the discord uh love some chair food have you heard that one video the on youtube called reebok or nike i think i played it for you yeah it's like his favorite song he's like what is like and it was corona yeah yeah rhythm of the night yep anyways uh search that on youtube for fun reebok or nike you are miles i am jack uh we're going to open up with a little NFL news. Oh, shit. Yeah. What's that? Odell Beckham Jr., who had an amazing first couple seasons in the league and hasn't really
Starting point is 00:02:53 done all that much lately. The Giants, yeah. Just kind of bounced on his team, the Cleveland Browns. He is signing with the LA Rams. Wow. The LA Rams are already starting to feel like an all-star team. They signed one of the best defensive players in the
Starting point is 00:03:14 league last week, Von Miller, who was I think a Super Bowl MVP. They were already all in on this season. It's just interesting. The Rams are a fun team. They really light up the scoreboard. What the fuck is Stan Kroenke up to over there?
Starting point is 00:03:30 I know. That's what my friends were texting, being like, where the fuck are they getting all this money from? Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it's like they have so much wealth between him and his wife, the Walton. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:46 Yeah, I guess that makes sense. It's also but it's interesting because as an Arsenal fan who the Cronkies also own, his son has now sort of taken up more of the visible position. And he's like, look, we get it. We've been fucking up this whole place. We want to do better. And I know credit to us. We've spent more than normal on on players and we
Starting point is 00:04:07 actually are starting to look a little more consistent but i don't i'm not giving them a a shred of gratitude yeah those people but isn't like obj and it's funny because on twitter all i see is people being like this is exactly like blake griffin going to the Nets. That feels a little disrespectful to OBJ. Because I feel like Blake vanished for a little bit. And OBJ has been, I guess, peripheral. Yeah, I mean, he started out strong last season and then got injured. And then this season, he's been healthy
Starting point is 00:04:44 and just kind of non-existent. But yeah, I think it'll definitely be interesting. He's got a lot of tools. The Rams quarterback, Matt Stafford, already has two of the best wide receivers in football right now. Cooper Cup in particular. So it'll be interesting to see.
Starting point is 00:05:06 And then Cam Newton is going home. He's going to sign with the Panthers, um, whose quarterback has been just, uh, shitting the bed, uh, as of late.
Starting point is 00:05:18 So how long, well, he was in, uh, what the new England, right? Yeah. It was in new England for a little while.
Starting point is 00:05:23 And then they cut him this year to try and make their rookie quarterback feel secure in the job. But it's good. I mean, that's cool. I love Cam Newton. I've always rooted for him. I would love to see him bring the Panthers back to relevancy.
Starting point is 00:05:44 It's been a while since... it's been a while since it's been a while um yeah since he's been relevant actually it's actually a while since tim biakou was blowing it up for the panthers the uh the guy who kind of the so cam newton had an mvp season Panthers. Uh, and then when he got to the super bowl, that guy Von Miller, who I was just referencing, who just went to the LA Rams, just ate him up, uh,
Starting point is 00:06:13 in a dramatic, uh, dispiriting fashion. Uh, anyways, that's been NFL corner and we won't do it again. And check out miles. Who's like,
Starting point is 00:06:22 yeah. Last time I checked in the league was 97. When Tim Bianca, but two goes, Tim's Tim Bianca, but two go. and check out miles who's like yeah last time i checked in the league was 97 when tim biaka batuka tim's tim biaka batuka wow hey man what's fred lane up to that's i i don't even remember those names i fucking i i followed him because i used to love just michigan as like an as a vibe yeah sports and yeah that's funny. Me too. For no reason. Other than the Fab Five. And then I think in rap videos,
Starting point is 00:06:49 so many people were wearing Wolverine starter jackets and shit that I was like, this is just the aesthetic. So very passively, I'm like, oh yeah, okay, alright, Tim Biakabatuka. I've always rooted for Michigan football for no real reason. A dude from my high school played for them, this guy Justin Fargus, but that was about it.
Starting point is 00:07:11 Antonio Fargus, Huggy Bear's son from the Mod Squad. Oh, really? Yeah. Fargus, I just been bit by the... And then, you know, in less great news, Germany is having record COVID cases right now. Apparently, they have a pretty low vaccination rate, and they're at 67% nationwide, and that is what people are suggesting might be the cause of this uh yet another outbreak um so they're they're
Starting point is 00:07:49 kind of getting strict again on the uh non-vaccinated people they're saying that they can't like come to restaurants or indoor settings if they haven't been vaccinated so is it the The vaccine mandate seems very superficially enforced over here, in my experience. I haven't been... Well, I mean, the new mandates began this week, so I've yet to experience the papers please moment but most of the time it doesn't seem like even if it is a situation where you need to present like proof of vaccination it's like almost like you could have shown a playing card with like a king of hearts on it like all right yeah yeah show me something anyways there had been some i I feel like it was more narrative momentum in the mainstream media behind the idea of like, hey, we're past it. Finally, folks, we did it.
Starting point is 00:08:51 No. Keep learning that that doesn't seem to be the case. And also, that's coming from a group of people who, to them, this is not a real pandemic at all. Right. is not a real pandemic at all right you know and i'm sure at a certain point it's only like the like the the journalists with some semblance of journalistic integrity like aren't gonna fly off and like so great everything is like we're able to live life again because yeah i'm basing that off my narrow perspective as a wealthy person are you kidding me this isn't real for me dude my favorite starbucks closed down. Oh, sorry.
Starting point is 00:09:27 Yeah, before I could get the Halloween cup. You want to fucking talk about oppression? Yeah. Cracker Barrel is trending, which is the dumbest reason. Yeah. I've just been on the internet for too long, I think.
Starting point is 00:09:44 You and me both, sister. For too long because the shit that is, it's just the same stuff that we've been seeing for over a decade now. People are like, Oh, look at this. Check this out. It's all because food insider, part of the insider family is doing a video called try millennials.
Starting point is 00:10:04 Try cracker barrel for the first time. I clicked it and I said, oh, maybe it's funny. Maybe that's why people are being like, oh, this is interesting. It's just a tired ass old BuzzFeed type shit where these people go to a cracker barrel and they're like, oh, these dumplings are weird. Or like, I like this mac and cheese. Gross. Actually pretty good uh it seems
Starting point is 00:10:26 mushy like that's that's basically what it is cool um thank you for a fucking nine-year-old video format that we yeah has like five years past its prime even so uh okay sure also millennials claiming that it's like millennials trying cracker barrel for the first time is like millennials who live in kentucky know some fucking cracker barrel the yeah the video babies right the video opens with the this like editorial staff being like so there's no cracker barrel in new york city so we're going to new jersey and it's like yeah so this is just uh like kids from new york city try cracker barrel for the first time exactly exactly and it's not saying it is like the youngest hippest brand but it just feels more like one of those things uh an idea that was conceived by and for uh people
Starting point is 00:11:20 who work in the media in new york yeah exactly like. We were like, you know what would be cool to go to that Waffle House place our co-workers from the South talk about? What if we tried that out? My homie from New York who was born and raised in the Bronx will sometimes go on these
Starting point is 00:11:40 similar long drive excursions to go get something that is a a foreign like i think he used to do it for chick-fil-a uh before they started like opening up in the city right right um because new york is its own culture 100 it's only country basically yeah i just the also like millennial like we get it your boss is a fucking boomer gen x person like what if you if that's not something i whatever i guess that's like the construct of like group tries x for first time yeah so rather than it really being new york new yorkers try or city
Starting point is 00:12:22 folk try cracker barrel for the first time. Gotta hit them with that generational tag right there. They sit down in a rocking chair. What the fuck is this? Yo, this chair's all fucked up! The chair's moving! It's broken! It's haunted! This chair's fucking haunted! Get me out of this place!
Starting point is 00:12:41 Alright, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed.
Starting point is 00:13:09 Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high-control groups and interview dancers, church members, and others whose lives and careers have been impacted, just like mine. Through powerful, in-depth interviews with former members and new, chilling firsthand accounts, the series will illuminate untold and extremely necessary perspectives. Forgive Me For I Have Followed will be more than an exploration. It's a vital revelation aimed at ensuring these types of abuses never happen again.
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Starting point is 00:16:31 B.C.? I didn't realize how old the hot dog was. Listen to Hungry for History as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And inflation is, you know, kind of hitting all time highs. You know, some economists are expecting it to go down in the next year, but there's a lot of speculation that the last time it was this high and had this much visibility was when Ronald Reagan stormed to the presidency
Starting point is 00:17:14 when one of the big themes of his 1980 campaign was, is it easier for you to go and buy things and in the stores than it was four years ago right uh that's a direct quote um and so i don't know people are speculating that the this is yet another reason that democrats are about to get just fucking rinsed in the in the midterms and this is just another like little thing that i i was looking at the backlash to woke culture last week and wondering if like that's if we were headed for another 80s where like the mainstream goes even more conservative like culturally like we start making like conservative ass like movies and shit and just saw this and two piece of evidence never been wrong um yeah and also like i think too it's a it's a reason to like fret over what
Starting point is 00:18:14 the build back better bill how much spending can be done because now you see moderates being like i don't know man like so disinflation well like a lot of you know more cautious economists are like no the numbers aren't good but let's not get carried away here like let's also understand that like covet has a huge fucking role in all of this um but i think in general too like we were talking about uh i think yesterday also is things do feel more expensive and when your rate when your wages don't uh move alongside that proportionately it feels like it's a bigger bite out of your ass yeah the minimum wage has stayed the same uh for years and years while inflation has gone up so they're actively making it harder to be a you know laborer in america yeah but that's not the version of the story that gets told that's more like we're giving the laborers too much money uh and taking too much
Starting point is 00:19:13 money away from rich people so that's fucked uh and also this demonologists uh are trending because the daily caller i just want to run through this article that they're running that is being linked on the front page of Drudge. I'll just read the headline to you. Astroworld Fallout Exorcists and Demonologists Break Down the Satanic
Starting point is 00:19:38 Influence at Travis Scott's Deadly Concert. There's a circle. Wait, what was the last one you said? Demonologists? Yeah, Demonologists. deadly concert um there's a wait what was the last one you said demonologist yeah uh yeah demonologists exorcists and demonologists break down the satanic influence the main photo is uh two like balls of flame and a circle around it because they're like he he talks about fire and it's lit and uses it in his. It's lit. Straight out of Satan's mouth.
Starting point is 00:20:09 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the article starts with a bunch of, uh, you know, uh, in the aftermath,
Starting point is 00:20:15 uh, people on Twitter and Tik TOK shared videos and theories speculating the concert from hell resulted from demonic activity. So I was like, okay. Yeah. So because people on Twitter thought that that's probably a good reason to the concert from hell resulted from demonic activity so i was like okay yeah so because people on twitter thought that that's probably a good reason to report it uh on your bullshit
Starting point is 00:20:30 website um but then they go down they go so far as to uh well actually i do want to read like some of the details social media users stress the eeriness of the Astroworld promotional poster, which showed people walking through a portal and encouraged festival attendees to open your eyes to a whole new universe. I don't see how that's satanic in the least bit. But also, his album has people walking through a portal. There's always people walking through a portal like there's always people walking through a portal and it's not it's never seemed demonic yeah they should check out the uh gnarles barkley video for i'm going on because motherfuckers walk through a portal there too you should watch stargate also and every uh fucking death metal y'all don't even want to play the video game portal either because that must be satanic
Starting point is 00:21:25 also. One of Travis Scott's signature taglines, See you on the other side, was also on the poster. Other users were quick to point out what appears to be a rendering of Travis Scott as a demon on an album cover for a song he debuted at the concert.
Starting point is 00:21:41 And then we get our first expert witness. That demon thing that's bat boy if you remember bat boy from the fucking uh old national choir i just clicked him as bat boy it's not him there's no fuck it anyway that's a whole other thing i'm wow they're having to like lie to make this point that should be fairly easy to make that like he uses fire and devil like as do all pop musicians the fact that they have to do a riff on bat boy and claim that it's a demon is pretty bad i want to get to this expert witness uh this is a quote quote the imagery travis scott projects whether he does it for commercial reasons or intentionally, which I don't know how those are an either or.
Starting point is 00:22:31 It certainly projects satanic imagery and satanic practice. No question. Father John Sada, an exorcist at the Catholic Diocese of Harrisburg in Pennsylvania, told the Daily Caller. It's possible Travis Scott summoned demon, but it's pure speculation. Even if he summoned demons unwillingly, he opened a door and they just took advantage of it. The Harrisburg exorcist also pointed to reports
Starting point is 00:22:57 that some festival attendees were needle spiked with opioids such as, which has not been fucking... And actually debunked they came the chief was like oh no if we couldn't i shouldn't have said that jesus christ hey whoever was going around you taken over by a demon talking like that i i was just uh you know honoring the one true oh uh whoever was going around and sticking needles into people was definitely under demonic influence, maybe even possessed, he told the Daily Caller. And then they just embed a bunch of posts from people being like,
Starting point is 00:23:31 obviously he was... If you don't think he was being controlled by Satan, why is he continuing to sing as people are carried off? Watch any concert where there's a lot of people fainting. The Beatles had people fainting at their concerts, and he's an artist performing.
Starting point is 00:23:53 I'm surprised. I'm like, imagine this, right? If Travis Scott is conspiring with Satan's army and conscripting these people into Satan's demon army, imagine for a second they are in hell and they have to come to earth to infect all the good-natured people with satan's ideology what direction would satan's army need to go to infect the earth okay so with that said i'm pretty sure we have a fucking demon on our hands if you don't think that's the voice of satan i don't know what to tell you uh we also get that's where they have to go just saying
Starting point is 00:24:31 right trademark for him that we also get to hear from indiana reverend michael maginot whose famous exorcism of latoya ammons uh famous we're i mean we were just talking about it the other day. It's so famous. I don't even know how to say the name. Was adapted into the movie Demon House, which does kind of get to a point we talked about, about how like conservative the ideology is undergirding, like all horror movies and like these exorcism of movies really is like those. What's it called? The conjuring movies anyways uh this person they say explained that when you make a pact with the devil it ends up with your
Starting point is 00:25:18 downfall that's ultimately what the demon does um the first thing he probably promises is fame or money, but he keeps on demanding more and more or else he'll threaten to take it all away. But eventually this more and more leads to self-destruction, which a lot of times has been drug overdose, alcohol and substance abuse, which inevitably leads to the death or suicide of the artist. But this one seems to have resulted in the death of eight of Travis Scott's
Starting point is 00:25:45 devotees. That is a quote in a thing that is being linked from like probably close to a million people are reading. And yeah, devotees, Travis Scott's devotees, you know, I mean,
Starting point is 00:26:02 converts, you might, you might call them followers. uh i mean he goes by la flame okay right so so i mean what the fuck else do you need coming straight up from hell it's lit meaning the fires of hell i mean y'all don't you open up that window don't you let out jesus christ or something i'm pretty sure that's how the lyrics were well it's the antidote which clearly means jesus christ jesus christ oh yeah the antidote to satan's poison thank you sicko mode i mean it's yeah yeah i think i think he is a sick in
Starting point is 00:26:41 sicko mode this guy they're not doing the shit like that. Finally, Debra Messing is trending because people aren't psyched that Nicole Kidman is playing Lucille Ball. And that would seem to include Aaron Sorkin, the director of the movie, because the trailer
Starting point is 00:27:00 kind of hides her. But yeah, I don't know. Debra Messing does look like Lucille ball that seems to be sure i think i think it's one of those things like where remember back when people would just project like who should be in a remake of a movie like you know when it wasn't sort of like a normal thing to do on the internet i feel like a lot of people were like man deborah messing would have been good or whatever right and then they just see you know nicole kidman and they've absolutely getting so angry about it i mean yeah does nicole kidman
Starting point is 00:27:31 really evoke that um i don't know i i don't think so let's just wait till the movie comes out but i don't have any skin in that game but i remember back in the day i used to do this thing where i'm like if there was an x-men movie okay this is what should i should say in 95 i was like if there was an x-men movie gambit has to be played by jean-claude van damme yeah that was just that was like the one thing i was taking into every conversation i was like a fucking that was the first thing you said to me yeah yeah and i remember at the time when i was auditioning you know trying out to be on this podcast there i think tokyo tony was trending at the time uh black china's mom and i completely changed the subject to talk about jean-claude van damme you know uh tokyo tony reminds me of jean-claude van damme uh my nickname for him
Starting point is 00:28:19 don't you think he should be if they're gonna do an x-men movie that he should be, if they're going to do an X-Men movie, that he should be Gambit? And you're like, they've made a new X-Men movie? Like, what if they, no, but just like blue sky with me here. What if they made an X-Men movie? And what if they cast someone who wasn't Jean-Claude Van Damme as Gambit? Like, what would you even do? Well, they did actually. They did cast someone that wasn't Jean-Claude Van Damme. Are you?
Starting point is 00:28:43 But like, here, blue sky with me for me. Just blue sky it over and over again. All right. someone that wasn't John Claude Van Damme. Are you? This is a current events podcast. Just blue sky it over and over again. All right. Those are six of the things that are trending. Yep. We're back tomorrow with the whole last episode of the show. Until then, be kind to each other.
Starting point is 00:29:00 Be kind to yourselves. Get the vaccine. Get your fucking booster. Don't do nothing about white supremacy and we will talk to you all tomorrow bye bye i'm jess casaveto executive producer of the hit netflix documentary series dancing for the devil the 7m tiktok cult and i'm cleo gray former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed.
Starting point is 00:29:30 Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game.
Starting point is 00:29:59 Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Caitlin Clark versus Angel Reese. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way
Starting point is 00:30:29 we consume women's basketball. And on this new season, we'll cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio apps, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network
Starting point is 00:30:43 is sponsored by Diet Coke. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradenti. And I'm Jermaine Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. There's a lot to figure out when you're just starting your career. That's where we come in. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in people who do, like negotiation expert Maury Tahiripour. If you start thinking about negotiations as just a conversation, then I think it sort of eases us a little bit. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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