The Daily Zeitgeist - The Uncancelling Hath BEGUN, Tech Billionaires Can’t Read 05.22.25

Episode Date: May 22, 2025

In episode 1868, Jack and guest co-host Pallavi Gunalan are joined by comedian and co-host of The Worst Idea Of All Time, Tim Batt, to discuss… Climate Change OG, Have the Experience of Stealing From a Porch Without All the Risk, Kevin Spacey Compares Himself To Victims Of The Blacklist During Unhinged Cannes Speech, Is The World The Way It Is Because Billionaires Are Too Dumb To Understand A Sci-Fi Book Series? And more! Dallas Comedy Club Presents: PALLAVI GUNALAN Climate Change OG Have the Experience of Stealing From a Porch Without All the Risk Kevin Spacey faces another civil sexual assault lawsuit in UK Fact check: Is Kevin Spacey really being honoured at Cannes? 'Nice to be back,' Kevin Spacey says, accepting achievement award in Cannes Writers Guild Censures ‘Schooled’ Showrunner Tim Doyle for Posting Lynching Image in Facebook Joke Kevin Spacey Compares His Plight to Hollywood Blacklist in Fiery Defense in Cannes: History ‘Often Repeats Itself’ Writers Guild Scribe Apologizes for “Epically Horrible” Joke Gone Wrong Using Lynching Image The Culture War: Iain M. Banks’s Billionaire Fans - Why Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos love Iain M. Banks’ anarcho-communist space opera. Why does Elon Musk love this socialist sci-fi series? Jeff Bezos: ‘We will have to leave this planet … and it’s going to make this planet better’ Elon Musk Names SpaceX Drone Ships in Honor of Iain M. Banks 30 years of Culture: what are the top five Iain M Banks novels? Amazon TV adaptation of Iain Banks' Culture series is cancelled A man of culture Ethical future? Science fiction and the tech billionaires Jack's Piece of Media: Future Adam Curtis B-Roll LISTEN: Little Things by Still WoozySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Tim, what time is it where you are? Right now it is 6.38 AM. So it's actually not that bad. I've got two young kids. So this is pretty normal. The funniest time of day. Famously. Yeah, yeah.

That's when they put all the comedy shows on. That's right. It's usually when improv troops meet, they, you know, wake up at 4 a.m., do their ice bath and then come together and just start unleashing hilarity. It's funny you mentioned that not to get on one too early, but I was in the shower and I was like, rich people misunderstand what a shower is. A shower is like for, you know, working class people to get warm.

Rich people are like, you go take a cold plunge, take a cold shower, do an ice cold shower. Fuck you, dude. We live in shit houses that are cold and damp. The shower is like the one time in the morning where you can just heat your body up. Don't take that away from us, you hell freaks. The shower is my time to return to the womb.

And I do not like leaving it. Jackson, they're like, mama, I do have a nice jug of milk. You have like a little hamster water bottle and just drink out of it. Gerbil style. This is the shower orange. Jack, the shower milk Shower milk the white people do have culture

Touch your legs and drink that milk in the shower. I keep when I'm showering. I keep my hands above my shoulders Wash my legs you don't want to get canceled. Touch my body below the shoulders is a cancel. My hands are up here. You're just in the bathroom. Hands are up here. Hands are up here. Guys walking around like you can't even scrub anymore. And we're like, yes, you can. You really should actually. You should.

You're listening to an iHeart Podcast. Hello the internet and welcome to season 389 episode 4 of D Dailies, I Taste. It's a production of iHeartRadio and it's a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness and it is Thursday, May 22nd, 2025. The third day in a row where you can do the date forward and backwards. A date palindrome, five, two, two, two, five. Works both ways. Just a fun fact.

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Dealey Plaza and just go see Pallavi. Yeah get off the grassy knoll. Yeah get up off that grassy knoll. Please welcome Pallavi Gunaway! It's me I'm back again. Back, back, back, back again. It's me, I'm back again. Back, back, back, back again. Mm, mm, mm, mm, mm. Hey, I'm happy to be here. And I'm happy to assist with white genocide in whatever way you think I should. I appreciate you doing your part.

I'm doing it for you. Thank you. Pallavi, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of our favorite guests coming from 623, 643 tomorrow morning. He co-hosts the podcast, The Worst Idea of All Time with Guy Montgomery, a very funny stand-up comedian, TV writer, producer, host. Welcome back to the show, the hilarious Tim Batt! Hjortar from the future. Hello, everybody. Hello.

Hello. Hello. How is it? It's good to be here. Is the water warm? Look at my shower. The water is too warm. I'm sad to report the scientists were correct. All the ice shelves are gone

and the warm is roasty toasty. Nah. Roasty toasty. Can't trust those guys. Yeah, I guess that's a good point. We're all going to be back to the womb for a very brief period before all white Jesus is going to be lukewarm in the ocean. I would hope that you would give a tiny bit of context Jack for, for bringing up

the womb out of absolutely nowhere. Cause we were talking about that off the record, right? We were, but I, that might've made it into the cold open. A very warm and balmy cold open. Yeah. I'll never ever doubt you again. Also, to be fair, Jack brings up the womb like every episode. Every episode. He's always like, he yearns for the womb.

You talking about the womb again? Yeah. His wife is like, please stop. Please stop. I just want to get up in there. Let's make this a Freudian episode where we delve into what makes Jack tick. Jack tick. What's going on, Tim?

How is everything in New Zealand these days? Oh man. It's a mixed bag. I would describe it as. We've got, we've got, oh, actually, do you know happening today is our, this is kind of nerd politics stuff but our government is releasing the budget. It hasn't happened yet. It'll be in a few hours from now and all indications is that it's gonna be the grimest shit ever. But our flavor of grim, our flavor of grim is like British flavor rather than American flavor so

it'll be an austerity budget but no one's allowed to say the word austerity. So they basically, they've fired like half the public sector since they came in, after government workers. I thought New Zealand was doing better than us. I mean, we are, but that's a pretty low bar. That's a big bar. From what I'm reading. Ouch, ouch.

They actually didn't notice the bar as they were clearing it. They didn't see it down there. Yeah, they just walked right over it. They're like, oh, watch out, there's a little bump up there. We're like, hey, be careful, you might get taken off the street. And they're like, we're fine. We're trying to catch up. It feels like at the moment, our health sector's being decimated.

They're getting ideas from you guys. Basically, health is one of the biggest problems here. They're underfunding it to the point where they're trying to float a whole bunch of privatization because previously we've had a pretty good 90% solely public health care system that's done pretty well. But they're like, you know what would be the funny thing to do? Taking all the money out of there and letting our mates, uh, run it all as a business. That would be pretty crack up. So that's what they're doing.

Oh my God. This is like when Hitler figured out how to do genocide from what we did to indigenous people in North America. Yeah. He was like, that's a great plan. Everyone's reading off your homework book, unfortunately, at the moment, America. It's just a bunch of swastikas on our notepad. That's all it is.

Does this still look like a swastika when I turn it into a heart, kind of? Is that okay? It's like the S from middle school, but in a swastika form. I saw an Instagram reel where it gave a a step by step on how to turn that into a, I think a pride flag or like a trans ally flag or something like that. Hell yeah. So that's what you got to do out there. You got to go find that reel and turn it into real life.

We're all about finding the silver lining. Good night everybody. Thanks for having me. The water is going to be balmy as we all die from climate change. I do wanna say that I'm sick of nothing but Bama Talk. Look, also what's on at the moment in New Zealand, the New Zealand International Comedy Festival. It's been amazing.

That's fun. I've been to not enough shows because I've got a three-year-old and a one-year-old. And actually we just got COVID. Oh no. Wait, why'd you say it like that? Why did you say it so exactly? Like we got COVID.

The novel coronavirus is once again novel. Absolutely. I hadn't had it for a while. It feels like a real throwback to yesteryear. Yeah. It didn't hit me too. I got pretty fucked up for like a day and a half, but my wife's been really knocked back, which is unfortunate.

But I don't know, just a reminder that that's still really, um, knocked back, which is unfortunate. But, um, I don't know. They're just a reminder that that's still knocking around. I was attempting to do good news. Good news COVID-19 still here everyone. That's right. Remember those good old days, the global lockdown. Um, are you a bad movie connoisseur? Like a little bit.

Yeah. Have you, have you seen anything good? Because obviously your amazing podcast, The Worst Idea of All Time, in which you and Guy watch grownups too, repeatedly. Have you seen anything lately that seems challenge worthy? I haven't seen anything lately. We're taking a little bit of a break from the sort of relentless bad movie podcast format. We're doing a thing called good times on the worst idea of all time.

Nice. It is now, right now, it's a hang and we're getting our comedian mates to come on and we're trying to spread some good vibes at the moment. Nice. So people are looking for a respite from everything, it's a, you know, it's a no politics zone, except for like, we did do a season called Killiania where we plotted how to murder Elon Musk and some others. Wow.

But apart from, but I would call that apolitical. I don't think that's necessarily. Yeah, that's like just letting off some steam, I feel like. It was cool. It was, um, it was, it was a real evolution because the start of this is basically just like a rift, um, story over months. And then we turned it into a game show and got the listeners to come on and pitch us their ideas, shark tank style on how that they would, first of all, get

a bill with our moral code on the show is billionaires that exist. Okay. I guess we're going to get thrown in prison. If we say you can kill them, but trillionaires don exist. Okay. I guess we're going to get thrown in prison if we say you can kill them, but trillionaires don't exist yet. So we can say trillionaires aren't allowed to exist. Therefore we need to get a couple billionaires to the trillion dollar mark and then murder them. And then it's time.

Yeah. And then spread the wealth. So we were accepting pictures on how you get a billionaire to a trillion and then how you would end them being around. We're going to get to talk about those guys, which is exciting. Also COVID-19. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. to a trillion and then how you would end them being around. Oh my God. We're gonna get to talk about those guys, which is exciting.

Also COVID-19. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. ICE is at my door right now. Oh damn it, it happened again? Shit! Of course, Pauly is the only one who gets any repercussions. I'm like, I didn't even say anything! All right, Tim, we're gonna get to know you

a little bit better in a moment. First, we're gonna tell the listeners a couple of the things we're talking about. A fun one, up top, there's a store that is offering you the experience of either you could say like Christmas morning or stealing from people's porches without all the risk. Which is some people's Christmas morning. Exactly. It's an enormously attractive proposition,

but basically they have a big ball pit of returned random Amazon packages unopened, and then you get to choose one. We'll talk about it, but it both seems like the end of the world. Also, I'm like, I might want to do that. I can see that catching on. That's pretty fun. What the great uncancelling has begun. Kevin Spacey, he got the award for excellence in film and television

by the Better World Fund. Better? At a golling con. Just going to do a little Googling there. The Better World Fund. Please continue. And then there's also a writer of Last Man Standing, who kind of got uncancelled by the Writers Guild

after doing some awful shit. We'll talk about Trump quietly killing the COVID booster for most Americans. And we'll talk about both Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, and Jeff Bezos' favorite book series, this sci-fi future book series called the Culture Series. It's like 10 books in M banks, and it is like full-blown socialist propaganda. And somehow they've missed the point of it or misinterpreted it.

So we'll talk about all of that. Plenty more, but first, Tim, we do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? That's not better world fun. Oh, okay. You want my second most recent search, fair enough. I'm just on their LinkedIn. Now it was a few days ago, I had to Google how to change water level on toilet,

which is an interesting thing to open up for a couple of reasons. Number one, because I don't know how to do any DIY round the house stuff. So this is, um, this is a brand new area from, I've never, never tried my hand at any form of plumbing before too scary. Always assume toilets had like a natural water level. Like, you also haven't played Mario ever. I have played Mario that was highly instructive when I was learning how to drive a car, um, and I have found that it's useful for- By the way, Tim is a very bad driver.

Tim has committed vehicular manslaughter multiple times. I can't leave the house without two bananas and one tortoiseshell. But there's a whole bunch of stuff inside the cistern that determines the water level. But in America, you guys, I think kind of universally around the whole country, from what I've seen, I've been around both coasts. I've been to Portland, Oregon a few times. Oh my goodness.

I've been to Kentucky. Okay. Congratulations. That's better than I can do. The water level in your toilets is so high everywhere. It does. It's like right up to that height. How low is yours?

Super low. This is so American. We're like, we have the most shit water in the world just because we want it. There's like a grandiose nature to your water level. It's too much, it's too big. And you might need poop to go into an ostentatious amount of water.

Yeah, exactly. Everything's bigger in the US, including our shits. I mean, you don't get the kind of splashback risk factor that we get in my native country of New Zealand, because there is a distance that that poo is diving from. You need that toilet brush when you're... Not to lower the tone too much. What are you using the toilet brush for?

To clean... Clean the toilet. To clean the toilet. Oh, okay. I thought you were getting poo off your butt or something. What are you guys using it for? Are we doing our own? I was saying that in foreign toilets, you definitely need the poo brush a little bit more than you do on American ones where everything's going directly into a pool of water. Speak for yourself, Jack.

Wow. You have incredibly bad aim or really good aim. But yeah, that's interesting. I hadn't really thought about that. Yeah. It's, um, it was also off the back of, so I've kind of built a podcast studio at my house. I converted, we've got a three car garage and I converted that into a podcast studio and it's got its own toilet and it's that one that got wrecked. And I don't know for sure who wrecked the toilet, but there was an incident.

Honestly, it might've been me. Okay. Well, it's a short list of people who were recording that day. So it's- I thought all white guys just had a podcast studio in their homes. I thought it just came.

Now, the government program's out, but I got there before the government was paying for those. We all get a Better World Fund award and we all are given a podcast studio in our homes to make sure that everybody can hear what we have to say. Which by the way, the Better World, first of all their website, betterworld.fund, red flag to me, and I'm on there, I'm on there LinkedIn. This whole thing looks very sus. I'm seeing like the logo is giving Fiverr and there's a lot of AI looking videos to me.

Um, there's one shot of Leonardo DiCaprio on their website, on the homepage, which I think they're doing to sort of launder their reputation, but may in fact be having the opposite effect. Wait, that also tracks. Yeah. That also tracks with the type of people they enjoy. People who date young people. Now we're calling it polyvian dating young people.

I think Kevin Spacey might've been a little. Or 25 year olds. 25 year olds technically are young people. Yeah. Although 25 is too old. It's 24 is the, that's the last year you're allowed to be in Leo Land. 25 is when you get your golden Washington retirement party. He shoots you.

He takes you out. What is Tim, something you think is overrated? Something that I think is overrated. Okay. So I'm a big geek. Like I love technology and I got to tell the people from my tech ivory tower, where I get a very good view of everything. You got to stop buying flagship phones.

They're so expensive and so unnecessary. Like 99.9% of the population should be buying cheaper phones than what they're getting. And this applies for like laptops and tablets as well. We've sort of in a bunch of different devices, we've reached peak thing. We've reached peak phone like years ago, peak laptop years ago. So you can either pay $3,000 to get the best laptop on the market or literally pay half that amount to get like 95% of that laptop. And it's the same with phones.

All the cameras now, as long as you're paying like above sort of $400 US for a phone now, you're going to be getting like, the camera will be pretty fucking similar to the one you're paying $1,200 for. You think I want 95% water in my toilet? You think I'm going to have a 95% as good phone? I'm American. Okay. I want a phone big enough to defend me from the mass shootings. What about this? What about this?

Save money by not buying two flagship phones, by buying one flagship phone, buy two mid range phones. You can put one in each breast pocket and then no matter which way the shooter comes from, you protect it. That's pretty good. That sounds reasonable. And also it's just a great flat, like having a disposable phone that you just like drop. Well now we fucking need one.

Now we need one to get back into the US. So when you're talking flagship, is that like iPhones and like Apple products essentially? Top of the line stuff. Just don't get the, like no one really should be getting the top of the line stuff. And it's where all the companies make all their money. Because the stuff below that, the profit margins are a lot lower. They're so expensive, but also like they require such like geekery to like know the difference between like what you're missing and what you like want for what you're doing.

It's fucking, it's a status symbol. It's like pure status symbol. So please invest a little bit of time in going to therapy and sorting yourself out rather than getting like a $1500 phone. Yeah, that's uh. Yeah, dad's here now. What phone do you have? Um, I'd ask you not to out me like that.

Please. Oh, wow. I thought you were going to give me some insight into like, I'm a big nerd and I got a really good deal on it. So I got one of those phones that folds. Oh, I love those. Yeah. It's pretty extra.

And I have just made myself a pretty big hypocrite. But I'd be, I'd be super happy with like, um, for example, if you're an Android person, there's like the Samsung A56. Samsung has really good cameras, I feel like. Great. Fucking great. They're cheap. They're great.

Would you, if you were a person who wanted a non-flagship phone, would you be alienating yourself in a group chat? Would that be an issue? Oh yeah, what's the deal? Because I've always been an Android dude, because I'm a nerd. So what's the deal? Didn't they fix that?

Didn't they fix that now? No, if you don't know about the green bubble, you are the green bubble. Yeah, I know, but didn't they fix it? Didn't they get like- I think it's probably a way to get around it. They got them talking to each other now? Maybe, I know, but didn't they fix it? Didn't they get like... I think there's probably a way to get around it. Yeah. They got them talking to each other now?

Maybe. I don't know. I don't know. I still enjoy that discrimination. I think that's like Affleck's by Apple to make sure that you don't. Yeah. The only people in my life who pay me out for having an Android phone are my like very good comedian gay friends exclusively.

Okay, so that's me? Exactly. So that's me. Yeah. Yeah. So this is. Queer. Tracks. We're friends. Oh no.

Oh no. I'm talking too deep. What's something you think is underrated Tim? I had, I had something for this by one change. It was two grams. So I'm going to say underrated hot showers. So good. Like back in the womb change it because it's too grim. So I'm going to say underrated hot showers. So good. Like going back in the womb.

Oh, it's so nice. It's, it's, there's a few luxuries in life that you can, you can pretty much afford it any, you know, situation as long as you've got a roof over your head. And a shower is one of them where it's just like pretty much anyone can get access to a hot shower and I just rate it so highly. It's the best. It's so nice. You wake up. You're like, fuck being awake right now. That sucks. That's the worst. I have to go and do a day. I guess I have to fucking go to work now

and listen to some idiot. You know what I'm going to do before then? I'm going to completely shut myself off from the rest of the world so I will see and hear nothing and be in my own tiny little steam box between five and 15 minutes, depending on how my depression is going that day. Yeah. I have a hard time getting out of that shower. I really, and I, I think it's like, I will wake up early to just take a longer shower. It's yeah, it's just so nice.

And yeah, it's bad for power and for water and everything, but like, we've got to have a couple of things left over, right? Can we have showers? Is that okay? I think we should all agree on the one thing. And I do think a hot shower is at the top of the list. Should be. After learning about your toilet water deficiency, I'm like, is it a trickle

over there with your shower? Are you just like, Oh, thank God. The amount of share houses I've lived in, or as we call them flats, uh, with terrible water pressure where it is. It's like getting into a room where an old man is dribbling on you for seven minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Having good water pressure is a fucking revelation.

So key. It is game changing. Sometimes I take showers like in the middle of the day or like mostly like at night. I'll take a shower because I have like restless leg. And so like there'll be some nights where I like cannot fall asleep and I'll just like do the hot shower and it's very soothing for my legs. Yeah. And then they're more restful at night.

More restful. I'm like, calm down. Everybody's out. These dogs seem legitimately like kind of debilitating. Like really annoying. Super. Restless leg? Yeah.

Yeah, that coupled with my sleep apnea and severe mental illness, listen. What's going on? I'm unemployed. Triple threat. I believe that's what we call a triple threat. Unemployed or layered, you know. Layered, I'm interesting.

Multi-dimensional. I contain multitudes and they're all, they all have zero in their bank account. They're all covered by the ACA. That's right. All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. And we're back.

And I do just want to say that you had sent her out along your overrated, underrated. Not all guests do this, but the really thoughtful, conscientious, courteous ones will send along like, hey, here's what I'm thinking about talking about in case like somebody did it yesterday. And so Tim sent along his, and so we, we know what your underrated was before hot showers and it was that climate change is still happening and you included a link to an article that fucked my whole morning up. Yeah, well that's fine.

It was, I visited it. And I was like, every time I come on the show, I complain about late stage capitalism and the fact that the world's fucking burning down. So maybe I'll take a different tack, but yeah, no, it's a devastating article. Basically a bunch of climate scientists are saying, Hey guys, you know how we're definitely not going to reach the, uh, what is it keeping it like 1.5 degrees? Well, even if we did, I think we may be at 1.5 degrees. Well, even if we did, I think we may be at 1.5 now. So they're saying like, if somehow some miracle happened and just we stayed at

where we are right now, which we definitely are not going to, even- We're at 1.2 now. We agreed, Hey, just FYI, and we're not signing any like binding contracts or anything, but just FYI, we're going to stop at 1.5. All right. Everyone agrees to this and then- We're going to do the absolute best. Yeah. And what we're going- I approach climate change with the same way that like Sandra Bullock's character had to

get through blindfold. I'm not looking at it directly or I might die. If we don't look at it, it's fine, right? We could just stay in denial this whole time. I like how you changed Bird Box's name to Blindfold. Whatever, Bird Box. It should have been called Blindfold. It should have been called Blindfold. I would have seen it if it was called Blindfold. I'd have a better idea about what it's about.

But you're right. This is the global... Okay, so we all agreed we'd try our very absolute bestest for 1.5. We're currently at 1.2 and we're on track to get to 2.9. 2.9 is bad. It's so, so bad. What the climate scientists were saying in this most recent report, which was like a meta analysis of a whole bunch of scientific studies across a few different

related fields is that even if we got to the 1.5, which we won't, our shit's still going to get exceptionally wrecked. Yes. It's the, it's the old, the very first consequence of climate change that I learned about via Kevin Costner's Waterworld, the rising sea levels. They're like the, the melting ice caps and like Greenland and all the Antarctic ice sheets, that is like accelerating faster than a lot of the more pessimistic models had.

And like, we're going, like we're going to lose huge chunks of land. There's going to be a mass migration event over the next hundred years, just inevitably because we're already like past the point of like not losing that like the the sea is going to be going up by There was one that was like if we get to 2.9 and like everything melts the water sea levels would go up 213 feet That's that's fucking crazy Sea levels would go up 213 feet.

That's, that's fucking crazy. Yeah. And all of our best cities are at the coast. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's kind of how we built them. I think this is why they kept calling us coastal elites. They're just trying to wash us out of there. They're just trying to flood us.

230 million people live less than one meter above sea level. And we're talking many, many meters rise in sea level. So we're all going to be in a Jack and Rose situation imminently. I think they're going to do the atmosphere engineering where they punch a whole bunch of like heavy metals into the atmosphere to block the sun. Right. I seriously... Yeah. We're going to snow pierce this bitch. From what I understand, yes.

Probably. Yeah. I mean... I was talking to like civil engineers at one of my dad's conferences and they're like talking about building man-made islands, but I'm like, that's for rich people. Like, what are we... Exactly. That's all the spaceships are also is the yeah, you know, islands in space.

Where are the unhoused people going to be on these manmade islands? Like the question is no, that's just water world. Like the poor version of that is just water water gang. Yeah. Can we call dips on that now? Like it this article I was it's just everything's going to be shrinking with the same number or more people on it. You can't use that as an excuse Jack.

Probably everything's shrinking. Everything's shrinking. So in some ways another silver lining things that used to be considered small might look bigger. It might be average now. No. People should appreciate that. It's literally Fortnite now. No, people should appreciate that. It's literally Fortnite though. Isn't this what the game Fortnite is, is like the game play area is like shrinking as people and people are just like killing each other to like you, as the game progresses, I know that was the premise of like pub G player unknown battleground, but like, I think that was also Fortnite that like the whole

Play area shrinks slowly. So it like gets harder to like hide You mean diminishing resources and people getting wiped out so that people in the middle can enrich themselves I'm just saying at least the children are training. I think the children are training Okay for the future and the in the best way possible with guns. Yes I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna pass out in in the best way possible with guns. Yes, exactly. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to pass out in like the first 30 minutes of this happening. I'm just going to just leave me. I'm being too tired to battle.

Here's the pitch I've been trying to like work on for years now. We've been through crazy shit. Like even recently. I can't imagine what it must have been like to be around during World War Two. You know, just like everyone is dying. All of the time, just like family members of yours just constantly sent off just so much death. And World War One, horrible, you know, like even Spanish influenza. That whole era, like from depression to the dust bowl to World War two it's just like Just compiling it's like oh, we're we're doomed like if the internet had been around back

This is not how I see yeah This is not how I read that because I think that kind of doomer ism is going to get everyone's hands off the wheel and the Thing is climate change is that like any fraction of the degree that we can avoid getting to is going to be super helpful for the planet. So everyone actually does need to engage with this and like really throw down. And I think like, look, is shit going to be bad? Oh yeah, it's going to be pretty fucking bad. But we've, we've done really bad shit before we've been through bad shit before. And we have, we do have a far bigger toolkit than we've ever had.

And it feels like we're a little bit getting better at dealing with crises. Like COVID-19 was a crazy, crazy thing, a crazy time. Um, a lot of people died. There's no doubt about that, but the ability for us to like whip up a vaccine in the speed that we did, once we set our, you know, resources to it. It's pretty impressive. And all of the, there is a whole bunch of amazing shit happening with like solar technology and new battery technology that's coming out. Like there is, I think, you know, we've fucked ourselves on the timeline a little bit. We didn't act quite fast enough and we're

going to have a lot of ill effects, but it's not going to be the case that everyone's dead. It's like shit's going to change a lot. Shit's going to get really hard, but we can navigate our way through this. Okay, I believe that for you guys, but I will be dead. I live in New Zealand, but we're an island nation. We'll be fucking underwater, dude. You will be surviving and floating. I'm giving up. I'm giving up.

I'm giving up. The human race should continue. I'm tired. All right. We should talk about, this is just a, I don't know, like this is just like a snapshot of the dystopia we live in. This is going viral while a few weeks back, but it missed me. So there's a store in the Bronx called Dollar Universe, where you can go and pay $4 to pick a random Amazon package that was originally ordered by someone and either returned or lost.

But I think it's just all like, when you return an Amazon package and Amazon's like, well, we're not going to fucking sell this. So they just like put it in a big warehouse where then people like bid on it. And so this store owner, industrious capitalist that he is, goes and just buys like huge pallets of these boxes, puts them in a pit of capitalist despair. And then people come through and just pick an unopened box and pay $4 to get the experience of, depending on how you look at it, Christmas morning as an adult or being a porch pirate, but without the risk of being shot or arrested. $4 is a good price. It's a good price.

He nailed the price point on that. Yeah. Like I would go, yeah, all of this is like some piece of shit, like a minion dog toy or something. But for $4, I'm willing to buy that lotto ticket, you know? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Because it could be like electronics. It could be like, yeah.

It could be a flagship phone, which I need in kind of forward, you know? But it's like great that he's like, honestly, if it gets rid of the waste and it helps like a small business owner, I think that like was a great idea of his, even though it is very dystopian. Yeah. And I mean, it's just, I don't know that it gets rid of the waste. It just like moves the waste around. It probably was going to be, it was probably going to be like

disposed of, like incinerated in some awful way. You're right. But now it will be in like three years. You'd have to think that if, if it's $4, right? So this person is, is building a business around each mystery item being $4, let's say he's buying them for two on average. He's buying them for less than two on average. He buys 400 items for $600.

Wait, where is that? If I saw the math, I could do it in my head. So 400 items at $600 is like, you know, less than $2. Three halves, one and a half. It's like one and a half. 150? Yeah, it's buck 50. It's a damn buck 50.

I'm good at math. A buck 50 item is buying this, boy. I said that. You guys were both doing the math. Like, wait, let me check Polly's math on this. She's only a former PhD. Let me double check this. How, like, from Amazon's point of view, the min-maxing,

the, you know, determining the most efficient way to get rid of stuff that has value is getting it out the door at a dollar 15 item. But also like, I'm like afraid that like now that Amazon knows about the popularity of this, they're going to do it and they're going to like ruin this man's business. Yeah. I, that makes sense to me.

Like you should on T-Mobile, whatever, don't you spin a wheel and it can give you a discount, you just pay $4 spin a wheel and they send you a fucking package. And you get a thing. It falls apart in your hands. Amazon's probably going to get in on this where they're like, hey, we'll get the address wrong on one of these things. If you, yeah, well, you guys are right on. First of all, it is interesting, like where are these coming from? The one

that ABC, the local New York City, ABC news affiliate was able to try, they went, got one of the packages. It still had, this is a problem, it still had the person's address and phone number on it. It's a huge problem. That's a bit of a problem. And he was like, what? I like scratch it out in dark ink. I didn't think you'd be able to see it. And, uh, but anyways, they reached out to the person and confirmed that it was a, uh, this yoga mat that they got $4.

Not a bad price. Probably. That's Amazon's problem though, right? They should be not selling pallets of people's. Exactly. I mean, it's their data. Yeah. So that, so this is progressing in exactly the direction you would expect.

Walmart actually ensures its liquidators remove all information from the box. Amazon doesn't give a fuck. They're doing everything at scale. Oh my God. They're moving things as fast as they possibly can. Amazon has managed to become morally more deplorable than fucking Walmart. That is a crazy race to the bottom. Holy moly.

So when Amazon was told that this was happening, I think this fun experiment is going to come to an end soon because Amazon said it is investigating the matter, including adding the possibility that these products may have been delivered to customer addresses were stolen and are now being resold by unauthorized third parties. So they're basically saying to this shop owner, like, we'll call the cops on you. Fucking with our shit. We can't have any fun. Is he buying them from Amazon? He's buying them from a liquid.

Yeah. Fucking stick this dude with that. Exactly. And like in a thing that is like fully your fault, that like, you're not doing the bare minimum of protecting your customers. Hot idea, Jeff, maybe leave Katy Perry at home, put the rest of them in the rocket and with the money you save from not bringing Katy Perry to, you know, low earth orbit, you could scratch out people's details on the

stickers before you sell the pallets back to other people. Just have Katy Perry do that in exchange for whatever it costs to send her. To do that. Maybe it'll distract her from trying to like destroy nuns in court. Wait, I don't know that story. Did you know that there's a... That is fascinating. There's a law called Perry's Law that gives like a 72 hour hold

for people over the age of like 75 who are like selling their properties. A property sales. Yeah, because Katy Perry has multiple times fucked over old people who aren't... Including nuns. Including nuns, one of whom like died in court or something, had a heart attack

in court. Like she's like an evil person. Yeah, it's like in a very real way. I think in California that introduced basically a specific elder abuse law, named it after Katy Perry because of this crazy track record she's got of, um, it would say allegedly tricking old people into selling their property for way lower than market value and basically hectoring them into signing it away really quickly. It's, it's, it's nuts.

And we found out about this recently, but it's like this fucking woman. It's like a level of evil. You can't even conceive cause you're like, aren't you busy singing? Like, why are you, why don't you buy a home that's available? Hell of a Super Bowl halftime show though. Her and Russell Brand. I know, what a deal. 15 years ago.

How much crazy. At first, have you seen the Katy Perry documentary? No. Okay, so she's like, she's like working super hard on tour and like performing and everything. And he's like being like weird. And then he tells her he wants a divorce, like while she's in her chair getting her makeup or whatever

right before going on. And she's like silently weeping and then sucks it up and does her fucking show and wins you over. You're like, oh my God, Katy Perry. And now she's like kicking old people out of their homes. It's so bad. She's just like the good one in that relationship. It's like being woke for a pope.

Being the good one in a relationship with Russell Brand. Yeah. Would you rather? Let's take a quick break we'll be right back And we're back and The great un-cancelling has begun. According to Kevin Spacey, he's, he's feeling some momentum after he was given the award for excellence in film and television by the better world fund at a gala in Khan feels, feels all like, like work of satire.

This was again, months after news dropped that he's facing yet another lawsuit for allegedly committing sexual abuse. And he was announced, we are truly privileged to welcome Kevin Spacey as our guest of honor and honoree at the Better World Fund Gala by the president and founder of the Better World Fund. And he told the crowd, it's very nice to be back. Ew, ew, ew, ew, ew. It felt like he was like, and finally, I can put all of this behind me. I feel surrounded by so much affection and love.

I've heard from so many of my friends and colleagues and co-stars in the last week since this award was announced. It's very nice to be back. Then he went on an unhinged rant comparing his own career consequences, stemming from multiple allegations of sexual assault, to the Hollywood blacklist during the Red Scare. What the fuck?

He also cited the case of sitcom writer Tim Doyle, who was censured by the Writers Guild for posting a photo of a lynching in a writer's Facebook group during the strike. So somebody said, happy, someone said, happy 100th day to all who observe as a comment to mark the hundredth day of the WGA strike. And he was one of the first to comment. And his joke was, I just got my tree up with a black and white image

featuring a man hanging from a tree on what appears to be a lynching. The writer-director, Keith Powell from 30 Rock, he plays Toofar from 30 Rock, was one of the admins of the group. He described his post as, especially horrible, racist, self-margarine, vile, clueless, out of touch, boneheaded, disturbing and toxic post and he was censured.

But I think the Writers Guild voted to reverse their censure of him on the same day that that was actually something that space he said in his speech two weeks ago, the writer's guilt in a vote with all their members reversed their censure of Tim. And at the same time, Manuel invited me here to accept this award. So he's like, we're starting to move people. He's like pedophiles and racist. You didn't know I was one, but I am.

Can you imagine if, um, so was this name Tim Doyle, this writer? Very funny. Very funny joke by him. You've done fucked up. You've done fucked up so bad and you've done everything you can to try and sort of put it behind you and get everyone to forget and Kevin Spacey takes the stage and name checks you at an award ceremony. You're like, oh no! My brother, we did the same thing.

I don't want this one. I don't want defense from Kevin Spacey. No studio will touch him because of a joke he posted is how Kevin Spacey described it, of course, not explaining what the joke, what the joke like also it's not a joke. Like, I don't, it's just seems like he just had racism in his heart and was like, let me just like, get this out here. I'm on the internet a lot. I don't even know where you sort of like get one of those pictures from.

You know what I mean? It's not like the thing that they just sort of falls into your phone. Cause someone posted that as a meme. He just had it saved on his phone. Exactly. He's got like, he's like, let me just go to my favorite album. Yeah.

My dank meme folder. Have you guys seen the morning show on, I think it's Apple. Apple Plus, the Jennifer Aniston show. Yeah, yeah. So Steve Carell plays like, I think his portrayal of like a dude who got canceled for inappropriate workplace sexual behavior.

Like Matt Lauer. Yeah, like a Matt Lauer type. It's very good and he meets someone who is on his side and wants to do a documentary with him about people who get canceled, spoiler alert. And it's Martin Short. And Martin Short describes even further stuff that he's done with pedophilia stuff.

And then Steve Carrell is like, oh. Oh no. He's like. That's it. He's like, yeah, Martin Short's like, we're the same. You know, he just wanna dance. But he's like, oh no. That's funny.

No, no, no, no, not like that. No, I'm not a victim in that way. I'm bad in a different way. Yeah, yeah. It's important for people to remember as well. And I think most people like will remember this, but for my money, we should be talking about it all the time because of how goddamn insane this was. Kevin Spacey got credibly accused of sexual abuse of a minor to the point where it got

into the courts and also sexually abusing other people, which I can't remember if they were minors or not. I think they were they were sort of above the legal age, but sexual, like criminal activity he was accused of multiple times. Multiple people died while the cases were going through. Oh, shit. I didn't know that. And then, like, I think it was maybe during the COVID lockdown, he released a video from his kitchen.

Yes! Twice! As underwear. Let me be Frank. Let me be Frank. He did it during Christmas, the lighting was awful. And it was just like, what the fuck are you, what is this dude? He's a psycho. Crazy shit.

A character, I haven't watched House of Cards, but that's a character who kills people all the time to get out of trouble, right? Yeah, like the first season, the sort of character defining moment is that he pushes a journalist in front of a subway train who he's befriended. Played by one of the Maro sisters. Yeah. And that is a spoiler, but I hear that show sucks shit. So actually- No one you guys a favor.

No one's watching House of Cuts 2025. Which, like, I was kind of like, I was talking to Jacquees about this and we were like, everyone stopped watching because of him, but like after he left. So we kind of like reinforced that we were watching because of him, even if that's not why, you know what I mean?

Like we kind of did it backwards. Well, they should have stopped making it. They really needed to cut their losses, but Netflix were like, one more season and put Robin Wright at the helm. Who rules by all accounts? Unfortunately, you know. It is also one of those shows that historically,

it kicked off this streaming boom that now is destroying the entertainment industry and in Hollywood at least. So it's really holds kind of an uncomfortable position. For a bunch of reasons. Yeah. I didn't know that multiple people died during the investigation. Like that's great. How many people died during the investigation. Like that's great. How many people died?

I don't know top of mind, but I think it's like, it's more than two. That what? That's like a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know that anything like if he's ever been credibly accused, I think just the fact that he then,

like the character he chose to inhabit to address the public was a person who deals with scandals by murdering innocent people and witnesses. And he's also saying let me be this person. Let me be, yeah exactly. I do, it is a weird coincidence and at the very least him... Yeah, legally speaking it is a weird coincidence. It's also like, isn't it like a mass shooting if it's like three or more people or something like, or four people or something. It's like that, but with like out of a specific group of people for Kevin Spacey.

Very strange. That's so crazy. Very strange coincidence. But listen, I don't want to call Kevin Spacey's legal team to this fine show. So they are big fans. We hear from them all the time. How do we get Kevin Spacey to become a trillionaire? So maybe all he has to do is read this, uh, sci-fi series, the culture series, uh, that is written by, what's this guy's name?

series that is written by, what's this guy's name? Ian M. Banks, a Scottish writer. It is hard sci-fi where people explore space. People describe, it sounds a lot like a combination of like Star Wars and Star Trek. I'm sure me just generally combining those two franchises in describing another franchise will not incite the anger of any sci-fi fans. I'm sure they'll be cool with me saying that. But people say it's like...

They famously chill people. Yes. The hard sci-fi fans. Riddle laid backs, dudes. But so this is apparently the favorite sci-fi of Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk. You have to assume it has all sorts of like libertarian ideals built into it. It is in fact written by a card-carrying socialist who despised the super rich and once shredded his UK passport and mailed it to Tony Blair during the Iraq War.

That is amazing. Whoa. This is how much they hate women. They're like, fuck Ayn Rand, we'll take whatever this guy has. Exactly. You have your book series. You can just do that. You already have it.

She thought you guys were old. You could just read that thing about the, you know, people who like trains or whatever the fuck Ayn Rand's series is. But yeah, it's like, people who read it are like, yeah, no, it depicts a world where AI does exist, but it's used to better people's lives and make it so

that people have less busy work to do. The actual archetypal super villain is a billionaire capitalist. And there's no police or crime and society essentially rules by cancel culture. Like all these things that you would think they would be against, especially Elon Musk, who like names, Elon Musk has like named his spacecraft after like spacecraft in this book. Like he was an open and avowed huge fan of this book. Like he- That's crazy. Open and avowed huge fan of this book. And it just seems to represent everything that he despises. This is an ongoing theme of billionaires

reading sci-fi literature, which is supposed to be- Awkward. These sort of informative artistic explorations of what happens if we take the idea of capitalism to its natural conclusion. And we're technology setting and they go, oh yeah, cool idea. It's like, no dude, not what we were trying to say in this book. What we were saying was a bad thing.

They're seeing the villains and like really identifying with them and going, oh, that would be a cool thing to do. They missed the point again and again. This is like not the first sci-fi series where your Elons and your Bezos have like glorified the worst elements of what are supposed to be cautionary tales to the rest of us. Yeah.

They're dumb guys. The sketch I probably brought up on here a thousand times and I will continue going back to is Mitchell and Webb's Are We The Baddies? Because they will never reach the point where they're like, wait a minute, they never reached that point. They're just constantly like in their skull uniforms being like, we're doing a good job.

That's part of the pathology of being a billionaire. Like you don't get to be a billionaire if you have self-awareness. If you possess self-awareness, you don't get to trample on as many skills as you need to, to accumulate that much wealth to yourself. Like it's just not possible. So what we're dealing with is like a self-selected group of people who are lacking, like not just basic humanity and decency, but any kind of self-awareness that the most of the rest of the population possess and walk around with

and give us our little neuroses and that voice inside your head going, Hey, maybe I shouldn't, maybe this will make this person feel bad. Maybe this will have negative effects for someone who isn't me. They're like demonstrably missing that component of their fucking brain to get to the billionaire status. That's why you got to legislate against this stuff. Because if you leave these guys to their own devices, this is what happens. You need infrastructure like the government to just go,

hey, guess what? Your first billion, go and make it, but you're not all that, like we will just take the rest after a billion and we'll build hospitals and roads with it. Something that billionaires I feel like like to say is like the first million or the first billion is the hard part.

And then like from there, and I think that's really true. Like I think we're overrating how difficult it is to go from like being a 100 millionaire to a billionaire. I think just a lot of people stop because they're like, well, I don't have anything compelling me to keep like compounding my money in a way that's just going to harm people. And so what we're left with is people like billionaires who are just the most pathologically narcissistic people out of a group of like 500, you know, a hundred millionaires and they're like class of like super privileged lucky

people, and it's just this self-selecting thing where it's like that you have to be broken in a very profound way to get to be a billionaire. And then we just do the whitewashing for them to be like, and they're actually really smart. And they're the smartest ones. It sounds like you guys just aren't hustling and grinding as hard as I am. Because one day that's going to be me. Okay. And not just broken in a way that's interesting,

but broken in a way that is always detrimental to the rest of us Yeah If they just were like I'm gonna learn I'm gonna pay yo yo ma to teach me violin We'd be like sure dude, whatever, you know, but they're using it to like destroy the world Yeah, but yeah, so the the culture in the world of the culture, people are gender fluid. So anyone can change gender just by thinking about it. And most people do at least once in their lives.

Hey, Elon, why don't you pay attention to that part of the book and maybe fold that into your personality that it's OK to express your gender however you want to. Instead, you're like honing in on the worst bit. Yeah. They're blatantly morally incompatible with the existence of billionaires. That's like the person who wrote the books.

He's now past, but he's like the there it's just like a bunch of like hippie, commie people with like amazing technology. You guys think now that this presents like a big problem for, um, writers, writers and other artists who are creating what is supposed to be like instructional art about sort of class consciousness and yeah, the way that we're structuring, you know, how we treat our wealthiest individuals. Because if I was a sci-fi writer now, this is the terrain that I would want to play in, but you're like, fuck, I might accidentally be writing an instruction manual for these psychos.

Yeah. Cause they, they don't have amazing imaginations, but they can like go and find my ideas that I'm trying to put out there to be a cautionary tale and go, Oh yeah, we should do this. Do you actually think this might have like a chilling effect at the moment of people who want to write these books and exploring these ideas, but they're too scared. They're going to give these ideas to the billionaires. I mean, maybe, maybe it'll just like get, make people take a harder look

because like one of the things, so this is from a Vox article has just written about these books and about like this fandom and they, this Vox article was saying like, in the end, the thing that always happens is the good guys develop a piece of technology and like use it in a clever way to like solve the problem. And so it ends up sending the message that like more power or like better technology equals being right. And so in that way, like the theme of the book is the most important thing powerful people can do is use their power to make the world there to make like the better technology, you know, and so

we're going to write some sci fi books about solidarity and unionizing. Yeah, yeah. Okay, this, this is this brings me to Shazam. Is that the movie? That's the movie, right? With Zachary Levi? Yeah, who ironically is this crazy Trump supporting libertarian. But in Shazam, spoiler alert, he redistributes his powers and that's how they save the day.

He shares his powers with his other brothers and sisters and they're able to save, there's no one hero at the end of it. And so that's why I always, I always like loved that movie for that reason at the end. Cause usually it's just like, Spider-Man just like thinking harder and wanting it more and then finding the strength. And it's like, no dude, you need other people to help you.

And that's like what the moral of that movie was, but Zachary Lee, I didn't really learn that much. Yeah, I was gonna say, so moral of the story, go and watch Shazam? I don't know. Yeah. I mean, like Batman is the one that makes sense for billionaires.

Like Batman, like them just, like a I alone can fix it mentality. And like, I will, instead of investing in fixing the structural issues, I'm gonna beat the shit out of it. Batman is the right example, because I've got this sneaking suspicion. instead of investing in fixing the structural issues. Batman is the right example because I've got this sneaking suspicion. I've not looked into this for everyone, but I think a lot of these guys wouldn't exist if they had a good relationship with their dad. Yeah. Yeah. Like I'm thinking, you know, respectfully,

I'm thinking Joe Rogan. Yeah. Elon Musk's dad is a uniquely fucked up individual who started a romantic relationship with his stepdaughter. Yeah. Yeah. I think like my suspicion is the vast bulk of these dudes that we're talking about, if you look at that relationship with it, that's why I'm so like, I got to, I got to hug my boys all the time.

You have two boys. Two boys and they're getting a lot of hugs. I got two boys, and I'm trying to maximize their earning potential by being a uniquely fucked up person. I've abandoned them, and I'm hoping they'll become famous very quickly. Got a lot of bills. Tim, such a pleasure having you on the show. Where can people find you, follow you,

hear you, all that good stuff? Yeah, so we're a state of the art, we're a state of the art of all time. As the podcast I do with Guy Montgomery, who is a real stitch. He's a funny dude. He's so funny. Another one of our faves.

That's the main thing. Yeah, we were talking about the movies that you guys have covered. So season one was Grown Ups 2 season two, Sex and the City 2, season three, We Are Your Friends 4, We Are Your Friends. And actually, if you want a little taste, probably one of the things I'm most proud of that I've ever made is Guy and I, so very briefly, fucking almost a decade ago now,

YouTube was commissioning original content and they gave us, I think they gave the production team, I think this was like legally, I'm not allowed to say this, but whatever they didn't, they didn't green light the series. So fuck it. Like a quarter of a million dollars to make a pilot. And so Guy and I lived in a sewer in New York city and watched Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles over and over again to invent this concept called method film reviewing.

Um, that is, that is on YouTube. So that's quite good. If you want to check that out. Yeah, that's crazy. The rehearsal before the rehearsal. That's such a good idea. Pre COVID. So you can check that out on YouTube.

If you look up worst idea of all time pilot, if you just punch that in, uh, that'll, that'll make you giggle for 20 minutes. I reckon. How is it down there? Pretty cool. How's the pizza? So it was such a like America kind of Hollywood, even though we're in New York kind of thing, because they showed us a map of where we were and they were like,

okay, and here's the hotel where you'll sleep at night when we stop shooting. I was like, what are you talking about? And they're like, well, you know, so we wrap up at about 11 crew packs down. You guys get some sleep there. I was like, dude, we're sleeping in the sewer. If we say we're sleeping in the sewer, we're sleeping in the sewer. So they had to get these huge fans to ventilate the air so we wouldn't die down there because we were so like, we were committed.

So we lived there. They must've been so pissed. They're like, we were committed. So we lived there first. They must have been so pissed. They're like, do it the Hollywood way. Our director respected their integrity and I'm sure all the production crew were like, fuck these idiots. The production, the emails between the production executives, you should like FOIA. You should like try to find a journalist friend to FOIA those emails and then make a feature film about this experience. And I just want to shout out something while I'm on the show. Adam Curtis, I don't know if people are familiar with his work, but he is a

hyper normalization. Yeah, documentary maker. I guess you describe him as like a sociologist. He's like an anthropologist in some ways. He's got a series that's about to come out. A new series called Shifty. His shit is incredible. Uh, hyper normalization is like essential watching at the moment. The one that I still really write, which I think is probably his best work in my opinion is the century of the self. Um, which is all about the rise of consumerism and how it happened. And it happened really specifically and it was down to kind of one guy called Edward Bernays,

and it explores how that happened. But he's got a new series that's coming out soon called Shifty, and I am fucking excited. Nice. What is Shifty about, do you know? It's about Britain, it's about extreme money, and hyper individualism came together to become an unspoken alliance.

So it sounds like it's about probably Thatcherism and yeah, how Britain lost its way and then leading up to Brexit and beyond. Uh, there's also a really good, uh, I'll, I'll save it for my thing. The thing I've been enjoying, but there's a, there's a good Twitter that is future Adam Curtis B-roll. Oh, yeah. Yeah. There's something that he does.

He just finds these incredible shots of just random things. Like it usually is documentaries or a series of like seemingly random things that it's like a collage of like moments from the thing that he's talking about. And so you're hearing these like really interesting kind of high theory ideas about like what's going wrong with society. And then like, there's just these incredible, he just has an amazing ability to like find all this like B-roll from that moment in time. Uh, his Russia one is really good also. Yeah. But apparently the way he makes them is he and a small team of researchers at BBC

lock themselves in the BBC archives for like three months and just assemble. In the sewers. Yes, in the sewers. We're birds of a feather. That's right. Me and Adam Curtis. You're floating together. Great recommendation. Pallavi, where can people find you? Is there work in media you've been enjoying?

Find me in Dallas on Sunday at Dallas Comedy Club, please buy tickets. We tell your friends to buy tickets. If you know someone that you met eight years ago, one time passing in the girls' bathroom and you added each other on Instagram and she or her uncle lives in Dallas, please tell her uncle to come to my show.

Do it. I'm at Pallavi Ganalan, everywhere, P-A-L-L-A-V-I-G-U-N-A-L-A-N. her uncle to come to my show. Do it. And I'm at Polly V. Gannall and everywhere. P-A-L-L-A-V-I-G-U-N-A-L-A-N. Listen, this is for non-black people. Sinners was really good. And if you have a different opinion, you're wrong. I'm sorry. I watched it again on Saturday night and I got more out of it.

It's just so entertaining. It's so entertaining. And if you're like, oh, I knew they were vampires. No surprise. Then you're watching it wrong. Like you're just, you're, you're not looking at it for the right things. I don't know what to tell you. It's beautiful.

I love it. I might go see it again. Who knows? There you go. Great. So that's your work of media that you've been enjoying. Yeah. I don't know if you've heard of it.

Yeah. The watch is boy. Yeah. Not sure. Yeah. Sinners. I mean, I know it's something that I am growing up Catholic. That's something I identify with. Also, Buddy Guy, who is the person at the end of the movie, who is a real jazz player or blues player, jazz blues player. He is on tour and he's like touring more than I am. And I'm like, aren't you a million years old?

How are you doing this physically? But I want to like see him now. I'm like, this is so cool. Oh, yeah. Awesome. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. Work media I enjoy. I'm going to link off to I don't think there's been many updates recently, but there's a bunch from the archive that are good to look at.

It's future Adam Curtis B roll on Twitter that just has some, some great moments. There's this one that is a food influencer, like dude shooting a video. And then you like see the person drop the camera from them and they just go from this smiley thing to just the most profound existential emptiness in the blink of an eye. It's so wild. But they also have Trump watching a local high school band of cheerleaders perform at Mar-a-Lago and just, they really nail it.

It's like, yeah, these really are great moments that would be in an Adam Curtis documentary. Is this TikTok? Where are you, what platform is this on? It's on Twitter, X the everything app. Fantastic. Yeah. Excellent. It's actually only like 12 videos.

I just really like a handful of them. Anyways, you can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien and on blue sky at Jack Obey, the number one. We are on Twitter at daily zeitgeist and on blue sky at daily zeitgeist. We're at the daily zeitgeist on Instagram. You can go to the description of this episode wherever you're listening to it. And there you will find the footnotes. Footnotes.

Which is where we link off to the works of social media we've been enjoying, where we will link off to tickets for Apollo V's upcoming show, and yeah, the sources for the information for today's episode. We also link off to a song there that we think you might enjoy. Super producer Justin, is there a song that you think the people might enjoy? Yeah, this is a song called Little Things by Still Woozy. And I'm telling you, if you want to put yourself in the mood for the unofficial start of summer this weekend, throw on this track during like a barbecue or when you're poolside and you won't regret it. The vocals are so smooth, the production quality is outstanding, and it's just such a vibe.

So that song again is Little Things by Still Woozy, and you can find that song in the footnotes. Footnotes? The Daily Zyte Guys is a production of iHeartRadio for more podcasts from iHeartRadio. Visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's gonna do it for us this morning.

We are back this afternoon to tell you what is trending, and we'll talk to y'all then. Bye! Goodbye! Bye! The Daily Zyte Guys is executive produced this afternoon to tell you what is trending. And we'll talk to you all then. Bye. Goodbye. Bye. The Daily Zeitgeist is executive produced by Katherine Law. Co-produced by Bae Wang. Co-produced by Victor Wright. Co-written by J.M. McNabb. Edited and engineered by Justin Connor. You're listening to an iHeart Podcast.