The Daily Zeitgeist - The WeekTrend Update 10/16: Israel, Hamas, Taylor Swift, Mike Pence

Episode Date: October 16, 2023

In this edition of The WeekTrend Update, Jack and Miles discuss Israel's invasion of Gaza, Taylor Swift breaking the box office, Mike Pence running out of money and much more!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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dumb like counting things be like how high can you count by tens how high can you count by three teens yeah um anyways i'm jack that is miles yeah um and we're gonna tell you some of the things that were trending uh that happened over this awful awful weekend um yeah before we get into the events of the weekend the news uh we like to check in personally talk about what we were up to and do a little overrated underrated on the personal front okay hey brian you want to mute man i get that we're boring it was a loud got a loud yawn from super producer brian i'm gonna ask you to leave in just so uh oh boy um can we actually get that as a drop that we can just throw in every once in a while? Every time we have to talk about awful shit? Yeah.

Like, what about that eclipse over the weekend? That's my overrated, Miles. Okay. Go ahead. Go off. I'm not going to say all eclipses are overrated. I don't think I brought the proper preparation to it. I was trying to make a big deal about it

for my family and the sun fucked me, Miles. Did you do cheeky looks into the sun to see if you could catch it real quick? I walked out. I just made sure we were outside. We were in the middle of running some errands so we were on a street with some stores on it and

kind of looking up through our hands type. i did i did not prepare okay um however yeah the last time we did an eclipse you remember when we like were working it was like early days of this show full total eclipse full total eclipse yeah at 17 it was the year yeah and like do you remember being underwhelmed by that well yeah because also we we've also been getting the shittiest angles for eclipse eclipses you know so eclipse i uh but like i don't think i don't think either of those are right yeah anyway that's fine and you know what it's it's a monday that's what i'm doing that's right but like because remember i remember we were really bummed out when we saw the footage

of people like in that area in like oregon where you could really get it and they're like spooky i just want some spookiness come on yeah exactly it's hollywood we know about camera angles we know about angles folks give us give us the spookiness. And by folks, I mean the celestial bodies. Yeah, so the only evidence... And my kids were into it. But I just like... I don't know. It got darker a little bit, didn't it?

It got like a tiny bit darker. It felt like overcast when there's a fire and that fire smokes in the air and it dulls the light. That's kind of what I thought was going on. Then I like all right the eclipse but like we i i think i have the stories from history in my head where an eclipse happens and it stops everyone in their tracks and they're like wait wait stop stop the massive battle stop killing each other uh god god's talking god just entered the room so I'm always expecting something like that.

The eclipses I've experienced are more like, and lo, the sun passed behind the moon and it was less dramatic than if the sun went behind a cloud. There were some interesting light shapes on the ground if you knew to look for them. some like kind of interesting light shapes on the ground if you knew to look for them yeah i saw i saw a family that was clearly scienced out because they had like their proper like paper eclipse projector and things like that uh but yeah jack we're never gonna have that thing we're like it's the morning star as behold the shape of this light reflection is slightly different if you want it dude you got

to go to the right part of the earth dude you know what i mean that's or so i did i did speak to somebody after the fact thanks a lot dylan um but he he was like oh man there was an eclipse this morning i have a solar telescope and that you can like just look directly at the sun through it and just like you you can like see sun spots and he was like oh anytime there's an eclipse like that i try and try and look through my solar telescope so maybe that's i just need to get a solar telescope and yeah well hey we got hey you know what we mean we're gonna get another bite of the apple april april 8th 2024 that one goes texas up through maine so i don't think we're gonna get much jack we're going to fucking banger maine thank you bangor bangor or portland shout out

yeah or mexico uh shout out all the sea dogs and did a little heat with all my i never knew such a whole of blue um yeah anyways you know great i'm not i'm not i'm not mad at you eclipses yeah i'm just saying there's something about the story i've been told up to this point in history books in by the local news that is not matching up with my lived experience yeah maybe it's something i need to look at it myself welcome to the world of our media informed realities you know because like we're only seeing like the most lit eclipse footage like on the news and like oh yeah it's not gonna look like that here it's gonna look like if there was a cloud you just gotta like you just gotta be ready and travel yes your producer brian is saying like total solar eclipses are a must see um all right april 8th 2024 texas we're coming for you no that's right mexico maybe mexico

what's something uh you think is overrated miles uh overrated people who think they can just do some other shit in a movie theater because they aren't interested in the movie they're seeing or they don't want to be there with their family whatever the fuck it is so now this is because you went to the taylor swift movie and you were sitting there with a notepad and people kept getting up and dancing right no people were on their phones during the recording themselves no so i saw the creator this weekend by myself. This is the second. I'm on a roll of seeing movies by myself. I saw Oppenheimer by myself.

I'm seeing the creator by myself. Just stuff that causes me to question my existence. I like to see by myself. Yes. And I went early in the morning because I wanted to avoid all the ambient noise of adjacent Taylor Swift showings because, side note,

the fucking theater was a taylor wild house uh and like when i was leaving the movie i caught the shit blaring out of another one i was like oh yeah it really is like that um but anyway there was a guy on his phone like before the trailer started he was on his phone fine i don't give a shit then the trailers come on he's playing fucking poker or some shit fine whatever it's the trailers then nicole comes on nicole comes on to talk about i need some proper respect for nicole heartache feels good in a place like this this mother fuck is still on his phone so then i say down to jurassic world sir i'm gonna say i'm gonna give him until them like i said maybe he's handling some shit on poker i'll give him till the i'll give him until the I said maybe he's handling some shit On poker

I'll give him until when the actual movie starts Cause then you could really be like Nope nope nope This is disrespect So the movie comes on The fucking theater lights dim He's looking at fantasy or some shit The movie comes on and it's go time

I'm about to lean forward The guy next to him just goes can you turn off your phone and the dude was so shook like his phone almost blew out of his hands like a comedy bit because he was so oh god yo whoa whoa whoa

sorry put it away and like did that thing like kids do when they put their hands like in their sleeves of their hoodie to like hide their hands like you know yeah and was like straight back in like a turtle yeah i was like human turtle is this person doing yeah and anyway so i'm like why did this guy think he could have his shit on full blast brightness and not like and think no one in the theater was gonna know what the fuck he was doing anyway this dude seemed like an asshole too because he was there with his family and the second the movie ended he just ran out

like he got up swiftly like and like he was he wasn't sitting like closest to the aisle he was furthest from the aisle so he had to pass over the knees of his family he's like all right i'm i'm the fuck out of here and just peaced out and i was like did this guy go to the bathroom no he was in the fucking lobby on his phone wow yeah so he's a business man man it just felt like bad vibes like it felt like weird you know family shit going i don't know but it almost fucked up my movie experience but yeah the creator was fucking wild i gotta say as well shit hits different given what is happening in gaza and like the movie completely dealing with like who we extend this like thought of humanity or the identity of humanity to and how if not we can indiscriminately

have death from above with our spaceships it's like it's that shit was just it was a little it was very relevant um but yeah overall yeah liked what i saw not a perfect film but yeah it was it was a great little saturday thing although again given what's happening in the world not the easiest thing to watch an easy watch no no not a light one yeah i watched it like two and a half weeks you know two and a half weeks ago and right i feel like i mean obviously caught the that connotation but it wasn't it wasn't like everywhere in the news like yeah yeah yeah you know banging on your door um yeah i almost had that guy as uh as my overrated but i figured uh since you saw a movie with him it would probably be your overrated but yeah fuck that guy um just so watch the sit and watch the credits the

movie's fucking good and if you don't want to be there stressing your family out man yo exact the family was stressed too right because i felt bad his partner didn't say anything like i was first i was like yo are you are you gonna self-check the group but that wasn't happening like oh the dynamics fucking off here like this dude is doing some like overt like i don't want to be here type shit yeah yeah so uh shout out to the dude who is sitting right next to him because it looked like everybody in the area kept looking at it's like okay we're about to collectively tell this motherfucker to fucking be gone with the phone one anyway two three can you turn your phone off yeah all right um underrated my underrated is uh i'll keep it light for a second peter mcnichol uh mac nickel m-a-c-n-i-c-o-l uh the guy who plays like a creep and veep um he's been in like so much stuff um i mainly knew him as

yanoch poha yeah ghostbusters 2 yeah um dr yanoch sorry i will put proper respect on his name it's okay um a movie that i haven't seen since i was a kid but it's like still his performance is still so strongly in my memory oh of course yeah i think go where he's just walking to the museum floor just telling people they're doing a bad job um is amazing anyways uh i watched as promised told you guys I would do it. I watched Adam's Family Values this weekend, which was a blast. My kids loved it. The only thing I really remembered was the Thanksgiving play where they Wednesday and Pugsley basically murder a bunch of children and counselors or come close to and take over

the camp. Tie them up really you know and also i had a very visceral memory of what the part where we see uncle fester's face as he enters his wife for the first time like on their honeymoon just knows carnal pleasure for the first time um but yeah i mean there's so much good stuff joan cusack's performance as the femme fatale was really great um debbie uh which my kids she made she made an impression they were like so what that was the character they were like what was the lady's name i was like morticia wednesday they're like no no no debbie yeah yeah i don't know if

it's because she actually gets got at the end but um no spoiler alert sorry but there there's just this like 1 32nd bit where peter mcnichol is like introducing this camp for privileged kids yeah and he's like just giving the best like weird camp counselor energy and like giving the speech about what privilege is and like why it's great and his performance is just so fucking funny it's like one of the funniest things i've seen in a long time i'm gary granger yeah it's like bodily like he does this like thing this celebratory thing with his hands that is so great um truly you know an underrated delight america's foremost facility for privileged young adults yeah oh and then when they fuck up the black kid's name that that one hits too hard it's like jameel jamal i don't know i don't know and i was like oh yeah come on no uh him and baranski are the

counselors um but i also i underrated this is probably just me but i i think it's true broadly but i had totally made the association between the Adams family movies and Tim Burton. Like I thought Tim Burton directed both of the Adams family movies. And like my friend who I watched it with, we were both, I think he was like, did Burton direct this one or just the first one? And he directed neither.

And like the moment it starts, I was like, Oh no, this is a, this is a Sonnenfeld joint. This is, this is the sonnenfeld joint this is this is the sonnenfeldiest this is sonnenfeld as fuck um but yeah everyone all it like i had done the same thing that everyone does with nightmare before christmas um which people are like oh that's i mean they put his fucking name on that one and i mean he was pretty heavily involved in the development, but he did not direct it.

But this one, he just like straight up passed on, had nothing to do with it. And I guess because he's directs the Netflix show Wednesday, I had just assumed that, but I think it's just like, he was responsible for every piece of art where people wore black in my mind when i was a child i was like yeah i yeah so i don't know yeah i was underrating the the strength of the tim burton

brand i mean yeah him and spike lee were making the blackest movies of the 90s that's right that's right um and then my last underrated related to the adams family values is uh barry sonnenfeld's career is very strange um yeah so he was he was like the coen brothers cinematographer i didn't realize that oh is that where you got his start like yeah he was he was the cinematographer on miller's crossing and like blood simple and you know some of their great early movies and then he his first directing job was Addams Family the Addams Family and then Addams Family values and then he did you know he did a Michael J Fox movie and in between those but then yeah right like men in black and yeah um get shorty it's yeah get shorty one of that was like when i saw that movie that fucking blew my mind i loved

get shorty um and but the the strength of the decision to end all of his movies with a rap song describing what just happened in the movie like so adam's family had the mc hammer song at the end of it adam's family values but like adam's family values has adam's family whomp yeah by tag team yeah it's basically won't there it is just reskin for the adam's family and like i i mean there's like it is really just like a straight up lyrics are whoop the adams family there it is i remember that shit i was like yo how'd they come up with this shit this is for the next level how did they come up with this shit just add the adams family in between whoop there it is. Yes.

And like they say, they open it with my man Steve Rowland. It's got all the same preambles as whoop, there it is. But I don't know. It really suggests that while we all assumed Will Smith decided to make rap songs about his movies during that period, he just happened to be

in a barry sonnenfeld movie exactly was like doing him a solid but like exactly and then he's like all right barry we want you to direct wild wild west what are you thinking i think i know actually i know will smith is going to be rapping the theme song at the end i don't care about anything else but it has to be he has to be singing wow wow west what uh you know and then his career ended with nine lives um you know wow turns out he didn't have nine lives um the the kevin spacey cat movie i believe oh jesus yeah do you remember when that came out no i just now that i'm looking at the poster i'm like what the fuck is this christopher walken jennifer garner and kevin spacey yeah no sorry kevin

spacey is sorry bad lives yeah um yeah anyways uh what a what a run let's take a quick break and we'll come back because, you know, well, you're underrated relates to the news that was happening over the weekend. So we'll be right back.

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Underrated this week, I saw the rampant Islamophobia in this country. The media, social, colonial, and otherwise, all collectively lost their shit this last week. I saw people go in a time machine back to fucking september 12 2001 um where muslim people were so easily reduced to this like media created image of a non-human hostile monster that deserves death at any cost uh that i was it just it was heartbreaking to watch uh especially as we're just just watching violence beget even more outsized violence uh people were fucking convinced you know there was all this media push especially on especially conservative media and you know mainstream alike that there was just going to be this global day of jihad yeah on friday and you know it was like it was i again

like i understand that given what is happening you'd think oh maybe there's going to be some kind of escalation reprisal whatever but the idea of a group telegraphing like mass terror attacks on one day is a little bit outsized if anything anything, there were people gathering to protest. Which is, in the run-up to it, that was explicitly what the stated purpose of the day was. Nobody was saying, and this is going to be... I mean, I'm sure some people were. Other people were translating that as, oh, Muslim people getting together to express their dismay at something that's

happening in the world as oh it's a global day of jihad and then tragically it seemed to culminate this weekend with a six-year-old child uh being stabbed to death by his racist landlord all because him and his mother are Palestinian American and Muslim. That's it. That's it. They don't like the explanation of it was, is terrifying. Like to the point I I'm,

it really, it fucks me up to like read it out loud, but we are continuing to pulverize entire neighborhoods where entire families get killed. This is not going to make anyone safer and i think that's another part i'm i think a lot of americans are not really understanding you think because we live here that we might be insulated from the things that our our government is doing we're not no we're going to be less safe anti-american sentiment is going to fucking go to heights i'm pretty sure i may have not ever

seen in my life if this goes on without the u.s trying to do something to de-escalate um and i'm just watching this go play out over and over and over again it's like it just blows my mind like the amount of clarity that we can look at what people how people were acting after 9-11 and what that brought on we're we're completely unable to bring that level of clarity to this situation now and it seems like if you look at just how the media is doing things like well 70 of people back uh you know the like military retaliation of israel or whatever they're sort of like using that to be like yeah go ahead let's just keep let's keep funding this. Keep it moving. Yeah. Yeah. Because it doesn't, it's not going to end tidily with whatever they think this operation

is going to be. That's not going to be the punctuation of this at all. Right. And that's what is like, you know, really fucks me up. And like for people to think that it's not going to be smoke for the country whose names are on all of these bombs that are being dropped. Right. I think is uh

is the level of ignorance that i mean i'm sure people probably just flock to in order to feel comfortable with what's happening but it's it's uh it's really unnerving um and i don't i'm yeah i'm waiting to see a response from the government that is more like just doing the bare minimum of saying like oh and there are innocent people in gaza oh thanks joe biden therefore what toying with saying the right thing but it's just the language is so vague and they're like making gestures that like like that an example of this that's not from the government but like the nfl had like at the start of sunday night football like the announcer expressed horror at the terror attacks in israel um you know which yeah horror at the deaths of innocent people is appropriate

but then said basically like thoughts and prayers to everyone in the middle east in harm's way like just in a way that suggests that like the imperial cruelty of the military response is an inevitability yeah like where it's just like our hands are tied here we're going to just bomb entire families uh out of existence entirely like blocks where civilians live and the idea man i mean like well let's just get into like this first story because it all it all feeds in one one to the other yeah so you know israel turned gaza's water off uh as we talked about last week um it's been a week uh since they cut off the flow of water um and this weekend there was news that israeli officials had restored the water supply after strong pressure from the biden

administration which spawned several headlines about how water service has returned in gaza it feels like this is like people are craving anything that is going to let them not feel bad for the palestinian people they just like want the news to be like it's okay though it's okay it's okay you don't have to feel bad you just you don't have to value both lives the same because yeah it's it's gonna be okay so the headline uh times of israel israeli official confirms that israel has resumed water supply to gaza um the wall street journal white house says israel has resumed water service in southern gada gaza and when cnn briefly developed a moral compass for like 15 seconds and press national security advisor jake sullivan on the u.s support for israel sullivan similarly

stated that israel had now turned the water pipe back on as if there was like that one main spigot that right just crank it to the left and open it up he's trying to evoke the end of fury road like oh my god one yeah just like one pipe we turned the big pipe on for the dusty poor people right can you all just stop asking us questions but first of all israel isn't alleging that the water has been turned on for all of Gaza. Their energy and infrastructure minister, Israel Katz, specifically said that the water would be turned on only in the south of the Gaza Strip, specifically to help push civilians to move south. So basically admitted that it was just a carrot on a stick to speed up this mass forced

displacement of people out of their homes yeah um and also the water is not back on like this is the thing that's become really contentious there's been i've seen you know like the way reuters even put it said you know people are saying the water is not on israel says water is on in some parts of southern gaza right and this is where you get into well tell me like mechanically how is the water back on right because a lot of people have mentioned it's not just you the water is back on like people rely on pumps and pumps need fuel and that means electricity there's no electricity so how do you run it then if not if there's no electricity and pumps need fuel, and that means electricity. There's no electricity, so how do you run it? Then if there's no electricity, then you need fuel, like a fuel source. If there's no fuel going in, then how do you run the pumps? Right.

And so this is just a very, like, the words look nice on paper, but the lived reality, like you're seeing human rights groups saying, gaza is running dry and now people are resorting to other unsafe sources of water just to stay hydrated uh something that is the most critical fucking thing you need to sustain your life right um yeah so it's it's a very again if you're just reading headlines you could be soothed into soothed into thinking that these people are okay so only a million people had to be displaced to move down to the other side of this imaginary line to be safe um but yet we're still watching like you know like like then there's the calls for people to just go to like well why can't egypt take them it's like i'm sorry what you're talking about displacing them again yeah moving them out of the country um it's just a very like they're using this like really fucked up rationale to further displace them out of gaza be like well they can't come back here now because we

we we told because we have to fight gaza in hamas in northern gaza because they're like yeah y'all leave we're gonna stay here in the place that they say they're going to bomb indiscriminately. It's just a very, it's so disorienting as a person, too, when you're like, but this is objectively fucked up. What is the solution here? And it's just more rhetoric to be like, well, these people are like animals, so it doesn't really matter matter or they're being used as human shields so you know what we say if someone's a human shield then you got to destroy the human shields too there's no right there's no other there's no other course of action here yeah and just in terms of like source of information like the you know aid workers claim that we've not yet seen evidence

that the water's back like aid workers are an important resource at a time like this because they can observe and like say what is happening on the ground. And like, there's this New York times like editorial board op-ed, uh, that has the title like Israel can defend itself and uphold its values. Israel is fighting. Like the front page headline is different israel is fighting

to defend a society that values human life um and it's but it's a like kind of a plea from the new york times editorial board to be like hey guys could you like not kill innocent like it's also what it seems like the biden administration is doing is like nicely asking them to not kill civilians or like being like that it would be so great if like you could just like manage to not kill civilians and not say stuff like the human animals thing wasn't great could we could we not do that but like in the article they mentioned that like these aid workers and these people these objective observers are being killed like are you know know, in the, in the conflict, like 11 journalists have already been killed in this war.

Um, at least 11 United nations workers have already been killed. And so, and the journalists do, even though I think it was a Reuters camera operator who was killed. And like, there were headlines that were just saying like killed from fire that came from the direction of Israel.

Right. Um, it's yeah, it's yeah it's just unfolding in like such a fucked up horrific way every single day um and yeah i don't like you you hear like these very just sort of like barely doing anything quotes come out of the the white house and it just like it seems like the white house doesn't even know what the end game is from the israeli government like where they're headed with this yeah um and it feels like a lot in a lot of ways like americans are siding with the richer side like the the side that has the like more i don't know the one that reminds them more of the united states you know like and so

sure because americans can see themselves a little bit more in the israeli public for sure i don't think that's why like the and what is happening to the people in palestine also resonates for a group of people in america as well yeah um and i think it's just that's why like this thing is happening it's like the people are like minds are being split in many different ways other people have their minds made up or they're either anti-semitic or just don't like or islamophobic whatever have a hatred of muslim people but there are others too who are like i what the fuck it where do i it's just like like, it's, it's again, like most people saying like what you're seeing unfold in Gaza is ethnic cleansing.

Yeah. And that's, that's, that's really, that's something that we have to reckon with too. Because again, like I said, the name of this country is on the munitions that are being used on these

people. Yeah. All right. Let's let's take a break and we'll come back. just starting out in your career, you have a lot of questions like, how do I speak up when I'm feeling overwhelmed? Or can I negotiate a higher salary if this is my first real job? Girl, yes. Each week we answer your unfiltered work questions. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in experts who do, like resume specialist Morgan Santer. The only difference between the person who doesn't get the job and the person who gets the job is usually who applies. Yeah, I think a lot about that quote. What is it like you miss 100% of

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black effect podcast network is sponsored by diet coke and we're back we're back and before the weekend we had the we we asked the important question is taylor swift too powerful hasn't taken an l uh to this point maybe yeah um and i'm not gonna call it an l but her heiress tour uh did not hit my expectations at the box office the bo was um mildly boffo yeah it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't as boffo as we thought it would be i mean what was it projected wasn't it something closer to like a over 100 million like closer yeah i think i think domestically they're expecting over 100 million and like they were like this thing could go anywhere you know it's like go to two who knows yeah yeah and it's more in like the 95 97 million range uh obviously boffo um you know i don't want to say i

don't want to be quoted as saying it's not boffo okay so like i know people are going to take me out of context and say i said further record fodder record boffo. For the record, Botho. It's Botho. So that number fell slightly below some projections. But in just one weekend, it's already become the highest grossing concert film ever in the U.S., topping Justin Bieber's Never Say Never, which made 73 mil in its entire run back in 2011. However, this is relevant information because end end of last week i was like has there ever been anybody that's this big and we were like yeah michael jackson's probably bigger internationally um but like did he have a movie that went nuts like this one is going to yeah uh no this is it uh the that was like that was like his like after was like his after he died, right?

After he died, yeah Not at the height of his power He released a concert Documentary Which in the US I remember just coming and going But it was A global sensation

It made $262.5 million dollars did you see it no no me neither no yeah i mean it was it was after like all the controversy had like drastically diminished his you know my ability to sit there and be like mj still got it well this is like this was i feel like cause it was just sort of like, this was what he was about to do before he died. So I feel like a lot of people were like, this is the goodbye box office visit for Michael Jackson fans. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But he, um, two 62, that's looking,

that's looking like it's in peril. Could be in peril, but it's also like, not, you know, that like people are after, after this weekend, they're like international box office figures were not immediately available Sunday.

Uh, but with the solid domestic opening expectations are high that the film can surpass the, like Michael Jackson, but it's not, it's not like a guarantee. So it's like in the same range as sure. Sure. Sure. As a vastly diminished Michael Jackson. I think they're're they're not quite one-to-one you know especially in like the pre-social media environment but yeah again

it's undeniable taylor swift is truly truly this shit is fucking it's it's religion yeah i'm not joking i could when i left the creator there was one taylor swift showing in full swing and i heard like i heard singing in the theater wow um and then in the lobby another one was about to gear up and the number of like i really see why this really is something because the number of like tween kids i saw yeah who like weren't quite the parents like obviously don't want to send their kid to go to a concert by themselves and they damn sure weren't going to buy another ticket to like like to uh what's the what's the word i'm looking for uh when you're show not chauffeur no uh what the fuck am i looking for like when you do it at a dance you're're a chauffeur. No chaperone chaperone.

Thank you, Brian, that you're not going to chaperone your kids there. So like this movie is perfect because now like all, I saw a lot of younger kids, some other older people getting turned up at the bar. But yeah, like it was,

it's, it's, it's rated Taylor Swift eras. I think NC 17, right? it's got some yeah you see the red band trailer oh my god dark dude she's shooting heroin like like fucking right before the prayer before they go on stage yeah uh but yeah it was like i mean i definitely i saw the i saw the power um and i like the whole thing i won't lie like the reason i went to that early thing is because i saw so many videos on social media of

like how turnt up the audiences were it's wild it's rated pg-13 they were they're really hell yeah wow because she has a song that says shit in it or something oh my god but anyways that so the movie has also prompted an online discussion concerning movie theater etiquette um this is one so we are firmly in the position of guy who's playing poker or checking his fantasy scores can get the fuck out of the movie theater yeah get the fuck out if he so chooses but he should not be doing that in in the theater um i am firmly in the category of like again against the theater etiquette people on this one because yeah there's just all these all these videos of the movie theater where i i didn't even realize how big the space between the front row and the screen was some until this weekend yeah yeah they people were like turn that into a full

on dance party everyone's just dancing singing and i i can see how it could be annoying to some people and yet i don't know maybe just like go down and dance with them then if you're annoyed yeah as a fan of something as a diehard fan of shit i totally i respect their right to go fucking just losing it okay lose yourself in there because i bet you didn't have the money to go on the expensive ass tour so this is the next best thing you can do to congregate with other like-minded fans of a thing. And then just have your cathartic fan. Yeah, go ahead.

Fucking do that shit to the people who are like, I can't hear over the singing. Well, guess what? Motherfucker. Why don't you wait a little bit? Because obviously the most turnt up people are going to be going this weekend. Right? Why don't you catch a fucking catch a matinee on another weekend down the road or whatever because if if it's that important to you like you should know that if

you're part of that fandom you should know that some people are not going to be able to contain themselves yeah and so yeah like i think i get that you're like why are these people fucking holding hands and dancing like you're not allowed to do that shit but it's a fucking concert movie yeah like it's it's there to it's there to be a you know a fucking substitute for for going to the actual show the videos i saw like the seated part of the theater like straight up emptied out like it was just there were like two people in the still seated everybody was dancing um anytime like i don't know you seem to be a real fan of movies maybe you should check out this movie footloose mayhaps um and try and i know in some of the lessons and like i've been i've been in situations where like a bunch of

people are dancing and i'm too like in middle school dances like i didn't always feel comfortable enough like to dance when everybody else was dancing and like if you would put a microphone on my face at that point i would have been probably like dancing is for doing at home not in the public sphere yeah what's wrong with these put a sheet up or something so others don't have to watch this yeah but it's just you know but you you're on the side of like not being fun not don't ever look if people are singing and dancing and smiling you're an asshole yeah if you're trying to break it up especially this weekend let the people yeah it's not like when that whatever new fucking minions or despicable me movie came out and people were wearing like tuxedos and shit and just being a goofy troll like meme lords in the fucking theater that's

disruptive but like this it's a fucking concert movie people are going to respond to it as if it's a concert and again you're dealing with a very enthusiastic fan base what the fuck are you expecting how are you like do you ever because some people seem to experience movies like like you're supposed to experience like golf or tennis you know where it's just like but completely quiet just quiet allow for absolute concentration which i guess is like appropriate but like i also it doesn't throw like i like movies so much and i i like seeing them in theaters so much like i'm not thrown off my game like i don't need absolute uh you know silence and focus or else the spell is broken bro i'll tell you if you saw a fucking bright ass cell phone in your peripheral vision yeah no that's fucking annoying for sure

that's yeah that's actually more disruptive than like hearing loose chatter here and there i don't give a fuck like if it's not sustained like whatever you have i like to do that shit too i used to love to fucking say witty shit especially on dates i'm like yo now you got the miles commentary to this movie and like that's right like you know what i mean like i get it you know you want to you want to say but like just if as long as it's not consistent sustained fucking talking then whatever this is a different a completely different beast if there was like a fucking outcast wu-tang uh fucking concert documentary or some shit and they like they were like it's playing in theaters i would be in there smoking weed yeah okay yeah you so and i don't want to have my rights infringed upon so i will stand up for the swifties and their right to fucking turn up and throw their friendship bracelets around all

that shit do whatever the fuck you want but yeah just come on people being like it's like do this is at home behavior it's like no you're wanting to sit and watch and like catch everything is at home behavior like that's that's something you can do at home but like you can't you can't be with 40 other taylor swift fans dancing and singing along at home so yeah like i would just let it happen guys yeah just just just let go and let god y'all or just don't let god just take the wheel just wait i'm sure the fucking energy level i don't know this will be a true test the energy levels may be the same this coming weekend too and then you're like oh shit you know what this might be a problem i mean this is great marketing for the movie yeah um i will say this

though it might have legs folks it seemed like every theater had like set, like just devoted all of their screens to this. Yeah. To the point where I feel like they're like, even when I was looking at, cause I, every time I was looking for movie tickets, I would see what the state was of the Taylor Swift screenings.

And there were so many that like, not every single thing was like fully packed out, but I get it. Then maybe you may have found like a quiet one to yeah to enjoy oh they should do quiet ones they should do like this is i did notice the ones that had uh closed captioning those screenings had less people um like less seats sold oh interesting for the closed caption yeah like uh showings of that of that documentary all right and finally uh mike pence is out of money uh the final fec filing deadline of 2023 just passed allowing us all to

um take a look at what everybody's working with um let's see what you're working with it's uh it's not good for mike pence pretty much out of money after raising $3.3 million in the third quarter. They have just $1.2 million cash on hand and have racked up $620,000 in debt, making this even sadder. $150,000 of the money they have left came from Pence's personal funds. Yep. Bankrolling this thing on his own. Yeah.

People are saying this is basically a death sentence for his campaign like he can't even touch 20 or 200 000 of the remaining funds because it's from donors who already gave the maximum amount and so it's like locked up until the general election which is not going to happen it would appear um and they've yet to reveal whether or not pence has even amassed enough donors to qualify for the next gop debate um you you would if he had you would definitely be this would be the time to release that information because otherwise people are putting many a nail in your coffin and setting you off um i mean i do think this highlights the most identifiable thing about mike pence which is that he's fucking terrible with money right like so like so bad

that's humanizing in a way you're like oh you remind me just like one of my friends yeah it's like that's not what the money's for yeah they're like yeah but i got it from this other job i'm doing i'm like that that's to fucking pay for the job you were hired to do yeah yeah but i had to pay dude i just got this new fucking acura dude i gotta pay for that yeah like i remember that was a thing like trump was like said that he could never identify with pence about is like he's like yeah the guy's like he's a broke boy fucking broke man what how's that possible he has so much power he needs to stake medium rare like a poor person yeah and i'm i'm sure like as we've covered before like i'm sure he will become wealthy as he like fades into a life in the private sector um quote unquote advising

private equity companies or like being on the board aka aka just getting them access to the halls of power. But it's like, first of all, so he got in trouble in 2018. It came out that he had used more than $200,000 in leftover gubernatorial campaign funds to pay legal fees related to an email scandal from when he was governor. And then he also, like in 1990, he used campaign money to pay the mortgage on his house,

as well as the credit card bill, golf fees, and car payments for mother's sedan. All right, Mike. His emails became a subject of controversy last year when Indystar disclosed that he had used a personal AOL account to conduct state business, sometimes discussing sensitive security issues.

Oh, this was back when he was governor. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so it was just... Oh, it was last year from the perspective of this 2018 article. 2018, yeah, yeah. All right. Anyways, I just love that it was an AOL account. It's mulanisc crap at aol.com

um and it's just funny because he was like his whole role was that he was like the billionaire whisperer during the trump administration like when trump would like scare the billionaires pence was like the steady hand right and i don't know where'd your boys go mike yeah they know that he look a guy who just like say, tries to astrally project himself out of conflict is not going to pass any kind of leadership test. Oh, man. Well, yeah. I mean, hey, you tried, Mike. Everyone told you it was impossible, but you still went for it, man.

You still went for it. And for that, I got to say, you are absolutely stubborn and don't deserve shit yeah you're a piece of shit man um sorry about that you're a real piece of shit it's not gonna work out for you turns out it's not gonna work out you're uh there were so many articles like the like people need to start resurfacing all the hey i wouldn't overlook pence or like pence is a front runner in this campaign uh right when he announced because like you know they were clearly doing the bidding of people who are like he's very safe and would do exactly like whatever like he was the coke brothers main guy on the inside um and yeah it was just it was one of those things like the the central media

narrative was evidently false to anybody who was paying attention right oh i'm sorry i thought you said mike pence like the guy used to be vp and is now alienated from every conceivable base of support that could possibly propel a successful challenge to Trump. That's who you're saying is like a relevant front runner in this primary? Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool. The guy who doesn't like

literally shuts down like a fucking computer that's rebooting if things get too stressful? Mike Pence, you're talking about okay oh runner the wall street journal inch okay all right god it's it's just wild though too you see how out of touch the like the main donor classes like the kingmaker classes because they really like i get who they want as president because like yeah this guy will play ball and set set my shit in the

right direction to make as much money as possible or whatever but they have no idea what the electorate is like and they're like what the fuck why isn't this guy catching like what the fuck man he's a jar of best foods mayonnaise it can't be that fucking offensive come on y'all isn't it inspiring no yeah no it has a fly on the head yeah it's there's this thing uh i think i've mentioned the idea before that uh like in chess my seven-year-olds are really into chess we get it bobby fisher thing no he's not like he just likes chess but like i know there's a piece of shit is a real piece of shit um to be like really good they're like yeah i like probably want to start playing for like two three hours a day and it's like yeah well and and this is where we get to people not being fully developed human

beings is right and and also hating the thing that they like started doing because they loved it but there's this thing called hope chess that a lot of beginners do that I've found myself doing when playing chess because I'm a total beginner, where you're not playing your opponent like they are a thinking, intelligent person. You're setting up moves

based on what you hope they'll do. And I think about that idea so much ever since i learned it just in like watching how people operate in the world like the the idea that like people were like putting all their cards behind mike pence like they're just like i yeah oh this is gonna work out like they probably have like a 15 step you know plan for for how to like take over the world for capitalism uh like even more using mike pence and it's like no no you're just hoping that like somehow people like him like the right thing that um yeah anyways a lot of people out here playing hope chess. That's my metaphor. All right.

Those are some of the things that are trending on this Monday, October 16th. We are back tomorrow with a whole ass episode of the show. Until then, be kind to each other. Be kind to yourself. Get the vaccine. Don't do nothing about white supremacy. And we will talk to you all tomorrow. Bye. Bye. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradenti. And I'm Jermaine Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. There's a lot to figure out when

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then I think it sort of eases us a little bit. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Jess Costavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me for I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app,

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