The Daily Zeitgeist - The “Woke” Oscars, Cadbury Eggs Season 3.5.18

Episode Date: March 6, 2018

In episode 97, Jack & Miles are joined by Stuff You Should Know's Josh Clark to discuss Cadbury chocolate eggs, West Virginia's teacher strike, trade wars, an Oscar recap with super producer Anna, plus a dildo inspired by The Shape of Water, & more! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I hit the sack. Da-da-da-da, time to be back. That's courtesy of Zachary. Oh, I forgot to say, ACDC. Courtesy of Zachary on Twitter and many other people. But I am thrilled to be once again with my co-host, Mr. Miles Bray. Different strokes for different folks. And so on and so on and scooby dooby dooby.

I am every great people. Thank you so much, because I love Sly Stone. So, Kellen Thompson, shout out to you for that Sly, a.k.a. And we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the very funny host of the Stuff You Should Know podcast with Chuck Bryant. We are joined by Josh Clark. Hey, Josh. I kind of bungled that. I made it sound like we were joined by Chuck, but we're joined by Josh.

Or that Stuff You Should Know is Stuff You Should Know featuring Chuck Bryant. Yeah. So I blew that, but Josh. But it is, in fact, Josh, right? It is Josh. Okay. We that. But Josh. But it is in fact Josh, right? It is Josh. We're talking to Josh. And we're thrilled to be talking to him. Man, you guys do your prep. Yeah. Right? So Josh, what is something you have searched in the not too distant past that is revealing about who you are as a human being? The thing going through my uh internet history

the only thing it revealed is that i'm actually kind of boring um what i did find is all like work related but luckily the the work that i do makes my internet search history pretty weird so i found a uh an entry for uh paragoric have you guys heard of that? No. It's opium for children that they used to give kids in the 19th century. And the reason I know about it is because Harriet Tubman used it to drug one of the kids that she was smuggling to freedom to keep it quiet along the journey. Wow. That is something I'm going to have to try with my new son. Wait, was it heroin or opiate? Well, it's the same thing.

It's an opiate for children. Yeah, I think it's like kind of tomato-tomato when you're giving it to kids. What made it – like it was just a low dose or something that made it suitable for kids? Or not suitable but like non-lethal? There's a cute picture of a kid on the bottle too. That was it. Right. So that made it suitable.

Yeah. Take that baby H. Heroin. Right. a cute picture of a kid on the bottle too that was it right so that made it suitable uh yeah baby age heroin right there's that picture on the internet that i don't think is doctored that is a bottle that says heroin on it and it's like being packaged as a as a children's like cough medicine or something yeah no no no Heroin, heroin is a brand name from Bayer. The Bayer company originally created heroin. They did it as a non-addictive alternative to morphine.

They said, oh God, what have we done after that? So people start stealing each other's gigantic bicycles and selling them. Right. That big wheel. Josh, what's something you think is underrated? Oh, underrated Cadbury mini eggs. Interesting.

Wait, what's in a mini egg? So, okay, allow me to describe. So the Cadbury mini egg is it's got like this nice candy shell, but they chose like a nice matte pastel for the color scheme, so it's pleasing to look at. The size is about right, so you can just pop them in your mouth over and over and over again. And they've got a nice crunch.

But then inside is some really good Cadbury chocolate. That's right. Okay, yes. So it's just like an M&M, but with a thicker, crunchier candy shell with a more pleasing color. Right. If you want to dumb it down, you could say it's like an M&M, but with a thicker, crunchier candy shell with a more pleasing color. Right. If you want to dumb it down, you could say it's like an M&M. All right.

I'm sorry. I actually really like those because I have a weird M&M eating tactic where I like to let the candy shell melt in my mouth and then proceed to eat the chocolate. And with the Cadbury ones, the shell is so thick, it's a time investment. Right. Yeah. You have to stay disciplined if you like to eat your shit like that or your M&M's like that. I also, speaking of the matte finish, my favorite M&M color growing up was the light brown, which just seemed like the most delicious color for a chocolate candy to me.

And then they did away with it. They did? Yeah. When? A long time ago, didn't they? Oh, wow. Yeah. That's been gone for a while. It's not matte, but it's like a lighter, a did. Wait. A long time ago, didn't they? Oh, wow. Yeah, that's been gone for a while.

It's not matte, but it's like a lighter, a lightish color. Right. But is there a dark brown still around? Yeah, dark brown is still around, but they got rid of the sort of mocha colored M&M. And they never even had it for peanut M&Ms. It always bums me out. That's so sad. It really is sad.

Okay, Josh, what's something that is overrated well on on the other side of the coin what i think is overrated are the cadbury cream eggs wow really i mean everybody likes it everyone likes the cadbury cream egg right like it's just part of easter whatever which by the way easter now is like concurrent it begins concurrently with valentine's day which is a problem because if you like get into that easter candy you just keep going back and back over and over again yeah and i think they've probably planned this out yeah um so cadbury cream eggs it's like a part of easter but they also the thing no one ever talks about i don't understand why we're not talking about this, is that they give you horrible chemical burn, too.

They scorch your sinuses on the way down. Really? Who wants that from a candy? Yes. Man, see, I've never had that. I've eaten so many of them. Is that the one in the TV commercial where the rabbit is laying the egg? Yes. Yes. Yeah, see, that already put me off as a kid. I was like, this is so weird that the

rabbit's like, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop this is so weird that the rabbit's like, and it's like giving birth to like an egg. Because wasn't the inside supposed to seem like an egg? Like it had like a yolk. Yeah. It has a yolk. It still does. It wasn't past tense supposed to.

It is still supposed to. It's intended to and does. And does look like an egg. Yes. And I don't know. I'm for it in the sense that it's one of the few foods that when you eat it, it gets you literally high from just the sheer concentration of liquid sugar inside of it. Oh, really? Yeah.

Oh, it's just jam-packed. And it's like the right size and sort of makeup that you don't really want to take a half a bite. So you put the whole thing in your mouth and just like, yeah. Like sushi. Yeah, it's like sushi. I'd say it's the sushi of Easter candy. Thank you for putting it in terms I can understand. For you, Miles, I would say.

It's like sushi or one of your boneless wings. And I don't eat boneless. But yeah, so you get a chemical burn on the way down. I've not had that. Yeah, I guess I thought everybody didn't. We were just pretending it didn't happen because everyone liked the Cadbury egg. But I guess it's just me, so I don't like them for that reason. I'll still eat them, but I don't enjoy it.

Now, do you get your Cadbury eggs from like a licensed like cvs or where are you getting your chemical one on the ground once in a while why is he on trial right now uh all right yeah yeah uh all right i i you i'm sure you've convinced some people uh and let's get into format, guys. We're trying to take a sample of what people are thinking and talking about right now, today, at the moment that we record. And the way we like to open up is by asking our guests, what is a myth? What's something that people believe to be true that is not actually true based on your experience? true based on your experience josh and i'm very excited for this one because i feel like you have come across all the myths in your time as the host of stuff you should know we we've been known chuck and i to have busted a myth or two here or there um the one that i came up with for today is the myth that ignoring people in public is rude like pretending you don't even see somebody

in public right oh i like this go on okay so so you know especially when people who may maybe live outside of cities come into cities one of the things they always remark is oh my gosh everybody's so rude they just don't even make eye contact. And there's this guy, this social scientist back in the 60s named Irving Goffman, and he studied this phenomenon, and he concluded that actually what was going on was this really intricate dance that people who live in cities have kind of developed as a part of just being a productive member of society, where you act like the other person's not there, and what you're really doing is affording a certain measure of privacy

for yourself and for them in places where their privacy is extremely scarce, which is why people who don't live in cities come to the city and don't get this, because they have tons of privacy, so they like to interact in public. People who live in a city where you're living on top of other people, you don't have as much privacy, so you pretend that the other person's not there. It's called civil inattention. It's actually pretty interesting stuff. Yeah.

There's also a practical aspect to it too, right? Because you can't – if you acknowledged everybody in the city, you would not be able to get anywhere. How do you do? How do you do? It's like, yeah, how are you? How are you? Good to you. Good day get anywhere. How do you do? How are you? How are you? Good to you.

How's the family? Salutations. In New York, you quickly learn that you have to look where you're going, like about six feet in front of you at the ground where you're going, and people just sort of intuit based on that where you're headed, and that's how you move through the city of New York. You can't – if you like try to look at people in the face, you're just going to get into all sorts of awkward things and it's going to take you forever to like walk down a city block. I guess it's true because like when I've gone to – like traveled to smaller towns or areas that aren't as like sort of just sprawling cities.

Like when I went to Eugene, Oregon the first time visiting my friend who went to U of O. Shout out to Chris. I was at a convenience store and I was wearing a Lakers hat and someone was like, hey, so the Lakers, huh? Like they're a pretty good team. And I was so suspicious of this person because in L.A. you don't fucking talk to anybody. It's like, let me just get my shit. I'm going to go. And I thought he was trying to scam me.

I was like, OK, what's the ask here? Yeah, man, they're a good team. And he's like let me just get my shit i'm gonna go and i thought he was trying to scam me right i was like okay what's the ask here yeah man they're a good team and he's like yeah they're doing pretty well i was like uh-huh and he's like all right we'll have a good day and i was like you too and i walked out feeling like such an asshole because i had i guess it's weird too i wonder if there is some like a phenomenon too about the defenses that we have just being in cities too that are just different that like, you know, when you respond to friendliness of strangers in a different way because I definitely had that. Or maybe that's my social inattention coming into it. No, I think you're right. You know, like when you have to be on guard in the city even when you are actively ignoring other people. I think part of what Irving Goffman found was like we're still ignoring one another,

what Irving Goffman found was like, we're still ignoring one another, but we also have like a decent portion of our awareness and attention peripherally on everybody else, because there is a chance that somebody is going to like draw a knife and come at you, you know? So I think living in the city, it's, it's, uh, it has both of those things, ignoring people while also being extremely threatened and frightened of other people. Right. Yeah. I guess I have cruel and unusual world syndrome.

Yes. Where you watch the news so much, like, that's reality. But actually, I loved it, though. It made me realize how being wired like that in the city, actually, it doesn't vibe well with me. I like to be able to be like, oh, everyone's friendly. Yeah. And now Miles approaches everybody on the street,

and it's really becoming a problem. Especially in Hollywood. Hey, man. I'm getting scammed a lot. Welcome to Hollywood. yeah yeah you should dress up as like batman or something you'll meet a lot of people there that way all right let's get into format guys uh we wanted to start off miles i've been gone for a week yeah and uh daddy was gone I come back and the first story you want to talk about is that you think Donald Trump is actually making America great again. I've had a change of heart while you were gone. Okay. Wow. I had some real interesting guests that didn that have been going on from the, you know,

the students in Florida to the West Virginia teachers, you're starting to see that people are really taking their power very seriously. And I want to, I just more want to bring it up in the context of what the West Virginia teachers strike. So we talked about it last week, how they they were i think just a week ago today when sarah june was on she brought it up uh how the teachers in west virginia went on strike because they're asking for a five percent pay increase and they were you know the governor and the state legislature were playing hardball and so they had to go on strike last week the governor and the teachers union made an agreement. They made a deal that said, OK, let's we'll agree to this 5 percent.

Now we just need the state house and state Senate to vote on it. The state house passed a 5 percent increase. The state Senate, however, only passed a 4 percent increase. So the teachers are like, nah, fuck that. We're going back on strike because we asked for 5 percent. Now, one of the reasons why is that the states like the head of the state Senate was basically saying that, you know, we can agree to 5% increase didn't take into account like what the state is actually bringing in. They're saying, well, we don't really have that money. And they should actually, you know, they're actually making a bad example to students because they're getting 80% of their demands. So they need to show what compromises without really acknowledging that these teachers have been compromising for years.

So now the strike continues and hopefully it will end soon. But a lot of people, especially in West Virginia, like why don't rather than giving huge tax breaks to the energy sector, mostly coal, you know, you can you can roll some of that back and actually put money back into our pockets. Because this is sort of the methodology that these state houses use is they give tax cuts away and this applies to all governments they'll give tax cuts away or tax breaks to people and then they make up for the money by taking stuff out of like public sector good or or teachers or the education system so this is just kind of interesting to see because the teachers are seeing how the state is prioritizing sort of corporate profit over the own well-being of the children in their state. And they're taking action. And what's crazy now is that this is starting to spread.

So in Oklahoma, they seem to be planning another – a strike as well for the teachers there because they haven't had, I think, a pay rise in like 10 years. well for the teachers there because they haven't had, I think, a pay rise in like 10 years. And that state legislature, too, they're giving some breaks away to some of the oil producers in that state. People who are causing earthquakes in their state. So it's just interesting to see that now we have teachers, too, who are really taking it by the reins and looking out for themselves and not only themselves but for the students because at the end of the day, you want teachers who are happy doing their job. And a lot of becoming a teacher isn't easy.

You know, like you have you take on student debt to to be a fully accredited teacher and being paid nothing. It wears on you and you want to be able to focus on your on your students and be able to enrich their lives. So it's just it's it's a great thing to see now of all these people just kind of taking the power back. Yeah, and when we were having the tax debate, there were conversations about how a lot of teachers end up spending money out of their own pocket for school supplies because funding has been so drastically cut in recent years because public education has sort of fallen out of favor.

Exactly. And now the new thing is like, well, guess what? Alongside being underpaid and being crushed under health care costs, we want also – we want you to learn how to shoot a gun. That's right. Like, whoa, come on now. Don't just pile on the responsibilities like that. So also another thing too is – we'll add a link because the thing about these two states,

especially in Oklahomalahoma and west virginia those states specifically prohibit public sector workers from going on strike at all so there's no strike pay these people are just depleting their own funds to take a stand for what's right and you know i think they're there this is a cause that's worth helping uh we'll attach a link to um our footnotes today so you can find out how you can contribute to the Strike Fund West Virginia. I don't know if there's one for Oklahoma yet. But, yeah, these teachers, they're losing money even trying to get fair pay. So, yes, we should help them out.

Yeah. My education began in West Virginia public schools, actually, Wheeling, West Virginia, through second grade. And what was that like then? It was great as far as I know. I wasn't the most discerning critic, being that I was seven and had never been to another school before. And hooked on Paragoric. Right, yes, not to mention.

Paragoric. You're like, yeah, Miss Connors, are you satisfied with your wages? No? Okay, I'll go back to learning how to eat. I did a lot of surveys. Yeah. Yeah. Just a couple of things that occurred to me during that.

Josh, have you guys talked about the man-made earthquakes in Oklahoma on Stuff You Should Know? Is it from fracking? Yeah. We talked about them from like building reservoirs and stuff. And I think – I'm sure we talked about it in the fracking episode. But yeah, I'm familiar. That's so crazy, man. It's like, yeah.

Well, I mean, if you think about it, like the earth is kind of pretty densely compact. The mantle is. And if you start messing with it, of course, it's going to it's going to punch back. It's the earth. That's right. It does. Yeah. No, it takes no crap.

There's a great. Yeah, that's true about the earth. We're starting to see that. There's a great 60 Minutes where they just covered all of the earthquakes. And they show a graph in the segment, and it's just – it was like zero earthquakes to like 500 earthquakes in the previous year. Zero earthquakes like back in the 80s before they started fracking. Because there's no fault line, right? But energy companies – yeah, energy companies find a way to be like, well, we disagree with this analysis.

Well, we think too many illegal immigrants live on that side of town and they're throwing the balance off and that's what's causing the earthquakes. Another thing companies are really good at that your kind of description of the west virginia situation reminded me of companies are great at pretending they don't have money that's something you learn in the entertainment industry that i wasn't aware of like uh you know before i became an adult and i know we have a lot of listeners who aren't yet adults like companies are great at you know projecting uh earnings and like you know having really rosy projections for how much money they're going to make. But then when it comes time to pay you, when it comes time to decide how much they owe the people who work for them, they suddenly have like these really ingenious ways of accounting that make it seem like, oh, we were out of money.

I don't know what we can do. Here, have this exposure instead. Exactly. We'll pay you an exposure. Right. See, this is good for your career as a teacher. Have you thought about exposure pay? Got that CNN interview?

Yeah. One of the things that's always bothered me about that, about companies like Pleading Poverty, is the idea of corporate welfare being championed by the same people who hate individual welfare and refuse to recognize that they are the exact same thing, at least in principle. If not, one seems a lot better than the other, depending on your stance. That's always bugged me. Explain what is corporate welfare? Well, corporate welfare, it's like if you give massive tax breaks.

I think you were saying like a lot of the Oklahoma State House gives tax breaks to energy companies. Right. Like one of the industries in your state, they might get huge sweetheart deals and tax breaks and just all these packages that they can be given to save money. The state governments do it to keep companies in their states. The federal government does it to promote whatever in the economy. But it amounts to what's called corporate welfare. And it's basically the same thing. It's saying, let's throw this whole idea of competition out the window and um here

just take this big chunk of taxpayer funded money because you're in our state and we like you it's it's welfare it's the same thing as saying hey you're down on your luck and you're a human being and an american um here take this tiny meager bit of money and buy some groceries with it it's the same thing yeah you know and it's funded by the taxpayers and they don't have a say in that. A really sort of public example of this is that Amazon did a really brilliant thing and like sort of Willy Wonka-ized the competition for where they're going to put HQ to their second headquarters. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, and the brilliant thing about this is the media is covering it as like, who's going to get the golden ticket? Who's going to be lucky enough to have Amazon's headquarters nearby? To suck the corporate teat. Right, but the way that these cities are competing for them is being like, you won't pay taxes, basically. If you come here, you won't pay taxes. Basically, if you come here, you won't pay taxes. Like, we will give you everything.

And yeah, it's not going to be good for the citizens necessarily and probably not very good for them at all. Good for Amazon, though. Yeah. Well, you know, it's interesting. In Georgia, we had a reverse of that recently where Delta came out and said, you know what? You guys didn't know we did this unless you were a member of the NRA. But we used to give discounts to NRA members. And we're not going to do that anymore. There's not going to be NRA discounts. And the Georgia Senate voted to take a tax break away from Delta to punish them basically for speaking out or having whatever corporate policy they wanted to have, which is – it was very surprising that they messed with Delta.

There were very few people who were happy that they did that just because it's – like Delta provides a lot of jobs in Georgia and Atlanta in particular. So to kind of mess with them like that was possibly ill-advised. Well, there's also even conversation of like if this actually may have violated Delta's First Amendment rights in a very legally roundabout way because technically corporations were deemed to have free speech and can contribute to campaigns and things like that or elections and things like that. It's weird. And also when you think about it, uh, Delta released like figures,

they said only 13 people use that discount. Right. Like, so I'm sorry, like all of that for 13 people. Right. Right. They took away like a, probably a multimillion dollar tax.

Yeah. And we talked about that, which is like, yeah, I think it added up to about 50 million for Delta, but they already made 150 million off off the tax scam in December. So I think they'll be okay. Yeah, that's the other thing.

Think about the state of affairs where we're like, oh, Delta, I'm in favor of you getting your tax break. It's just like the bedfellows keep switching every 30 seconds here in America these days. It's beyond strange. Yeah, it's hard to keep up with. That's why you need to listen to a show like The Daily Zeitgeist. Oh, yeah, I, I agree that there are some promising signs of, you know, resistance and people sort of being shaken awake from their slumber by the Trump presidency, I'm still just worried about what happens if America is attacked or if there's, so like it's been a pretty ordinary, uh,

you know, handful of years, obviously there's been tragedies, but, uh, if there's a, an attack or, you know,

uh, I've a significant event as Donald Trump, a significant event, uh, which he seems to keep teasing and, uh, like kind of hoping for, or like a false flag like Putin used to seize a bunch of power. The modern KGB bombed a bunch of buildings and then used that as an excuse for Putin to like take away citizens' rights.

Is that right? Yeah. Yeah. That's not like InfoWars-like level news? No, that's – yeah, that's – I mean there's a lot of other podcasts there there's a lot of uh journalism that suggests that it was the basically their equivalent of like the kgb uh that did the bombings and then they blamed it on terrorism but uh that that, that, that's just my concern. Like it just, every chance he gets, he seems to suggest that he wants to be like president for life.

Like he just, he, he openly admires strong men, dictators, and that's all very worrying. I'm just, you know, it's great.

It's all fun and good when people are protesting and getting out there. But if something happens and we can't get out there look what happened to this guy you have another kid you come by and you're worried about everything that's right i'm thinking it's gonna be fine jack by the way congratulations oh thanks man yeah oh yeah i never congratulated you on air yeah congratulations uh nor off air uh it's really really rude miles well i was like oh so you're back oh look who's back oh look who decided to come crawling back yeah yeah yeah but you should stay out of this it's getting messy uh all right we're gonna take our first break and we'll be right back afterwards.

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And that sent the stock market just like plummet. It just went crazy because they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what is this? Because I guess he unilaterally decided that he's going to impose these tariffs. So for people who don't know, a tariff is just a tax, right? So he's basically saying to, I think, to protect domestic producers of steel and aluminum, you tax the imported version. So by price comparison, the local stuff is cheaper. So then you're going to use that and that will help America win.

That's a form of corporate welfare. Yeah, exactly. Yes. And what's really interesting is that the rationalization or the way they came to this decision because right now we're in the midst of renegotiating like nafta and it seems like suddenly we're going to tax steel which we import a lot of steel from mexico and canada actually so that's weird uh but he's really aiming it at china as well um but he's right china supposedly uses uh mexico and like the nafta deal as a loophole to basically trade us steel through Mexico.

Those dump it in Mexico and then that's how it goes. And because of the good rates due to NAFTA, they're able to – Right. Yeah. And so they're using this sort of weird, very weird loophole of using the argument for national security as to why they can just sort of go and unilaterally change these agreements like for this like overly protectionist sort of stance we're taking um and as if like you know this isn't really a significant national security issue because like no one at the state department a department of defense or the treasury

none of them are like believe this is true because they all say like yeah the domestic capacity is we're good like there's no need for this but they're using it as a way to sort of circumvent uh just properly negotiating and the problem is that it's basically going to kick off uh oh so you're going to put taxes on our shit well then now we're going to tax your shit so you've heard from other countries that like okay well then what if we begin heavily taxing things at the uh u.s exports like whiskey or motorcycles or – Those leather eight-ball jackets. Yeah, exactly. And like when you think about it, those would hit districts that are pretty significant to the GOP

like Harley-Davidson's or Paul Ryan. That's right in his neck of the woods. Kentucky is a huge producer of whiskey. Bourbon. Yeah, so – and I have Nancy Pelosi with Levi's I think is headquartered up there in the Bay. So there are a lot of people who are kind of like, yo, yo, what are you doing? Because clearly many people have tried to reason with the president saying like, it's not just as easy as just saying, hey, we're hitting them with these tariffs and everything's all good. It's like this is all very interconnected.

Like Gary Cohn was trying to say, this can affect our construction and other manufacturers because it's just not the way to do it. and it's going to put in jeopardy your stock market streak that you're going on. And then apparently there's this article in Axios where Trump kept accusing him of being a globalist. Right. So it's gotten very weird because what you're starting to see too is like with Rob Porter and Hope Hicks, like a lot of these people actually – they look after him to make sure he was doing the right thing and also keep kind of crazy people away from him, like particularly Peter Navarro, who is the director of the trade industrial policy and he's like the kind of person that people like kelly and rob porter like they did not want to have near the president because he would just start saying his crazy fucking conspiratorial weird shit and get in his head and there was apparently like a huge argument in the oval office about this um where kelly is still there but he appears to be losing hope because he's speculating that God is punishing him with this job.

Right. So it's just like, what the fuck? Yeah. So it was a bunch of finger pointing of like, you guys are globalist cucks. And the other guys are like, you don't understand how interconnected the global markets are. And you can't just unilaterally do this. Because on one hand, it weakens our positions when we want to enter into agreements, because there's no way that we can follow through with what we're saying if the president just tweets something the next day and throws everything out of whack.

Right. So the first thought you have in an economy is like, well, people aren't buying enough of our goods from us internally, so we're going to tax the other guy's goods. It's like the very first thought you have. And then you talk to people who are experts and they're like, well, but that actually hurts you and only helps very specifically the people who own those factories because, yeah, like you said, there's so much interconnection. People who run these companies, like car companies, are importing cheaper steel or aluminum from other countries. And so that's going to hurt car manufacturers and the people who work in those factories, which are way more than the people who work in steel. So it has very specific benefits. I don't know. This is not the first time I've been reminded of

the Vonnegut quote, the big trouble with dumb bastards is they're too dumb to believe there is such a thing as being smart with Trump, because I feel like he gets the first idea and thinks he's the first person to have it. And it's like, no, that's like the first of 20 ideas people have, to have it. And it's like, no, that's like the first of 20 ideas people have and then discard and go to a better idea. And the last thing I'd say is just that, you know, the argument that there is a national security risk, I would just say, you know, most people think a big part of this huge, unprecedented period of peace that we've been living through for the past, you know, of peace that we've been living through for the past, you know, 50 years in terms of no major countries fighting one another, like not having world wars, not having wars that kill, you know, millions and millions of people. A lot of people think it's because of international trade. And

because, you know, why would we invade China when we can get stuff from them that they do better than us and give them stuff that we do better than them? So it doesn't benefit anybody anymore to go to war. But trying to go back to this sort of isolationist nationalist stance is actually probably in the long run much worse for national security yeah have you guys ever heard of the uh the mcdonald's or the golden arches theory of um global peace i think it's called yeah yeah i have i'm just reading uh a bunch of pinker over my uh paternity week but explain what that is so it's basically and it's um it's been discredited, but it held up for a really long time, I think, until some of the Yugoslavian countries went at it back in the 90s in the Balkans. But there was this period where no country that had a McDonald's had ever gone to war, open war, with another country that had a McDonald's.

And the basic idea behind this is that if you had a McDonald's, you had a thriving free trade democracy, a capitalist democracy, or at the very least, you had some form of capitalism. And the idea was that capitalist societies wanted to make money off of other capitalist societies, not go to war with them. So it kind of underscored what you were saying about the idea that free trade and globalism could conceivably promote peace, at least in a lot of people's minds. Certainly it doesn't sound like in Peter Navarro's mind. No, not at all. And I wonder about him.

I'm sorry. One more thing. I wonder about him if he kind of represents that whole guard that got Trump elected in the first place, which is kind of like just tear the whole place down and start over again. If you are an anti-globalist and you're you know, you have the ear of the president, you might not care if there will be what you would consider short term harm that would come from a trade war, especially if it disentrenched America from this kind of global economy that it's a major part of now. Yeah, and that's why I was saying that I'm reading a lot of Pinker. He just released a book, Enlightenment Now, which is his follow-up to the Better Angels of Our Nature book that I was talking about a couple weeks ago.

ago. And, you know, his whole stance is that, like, when you look at statistics, you know, the world is becoming vastly more peaceful, because of, you know, democracy spreading and international trade, and you know, what you were just talking about, Josh, and because of this narrative that has been taking hold in many places around the world, that things are getting worse, because of the news we consume, because of, of you know the things that we say to each other on social media uh we people think things are getting worse and there's there is this idea that nah fuck it tear it all down things have gotten so bad and it's like no progress progress is working it's you know and it's not nothing is perfect and i don't want to say you know we're we're where we need to be but uh you know things when you look at most problems and compare them to where those problems were 100 years ago

uh things are just vastly better and even better when you compare it to 200 years ago so yeah the frustration reminds me of like when you're a kid and you're building a really elaborate lego thing right and you misplace one piece like 10 pieces later and you're like, fuck it. And you smash the whole thing rather than just going back. It's only 10 pieces ago. You don't got to smash the whole fucking thing. Yeah. You can address that.

And what's apparently like in this meeting that I was talking on this Axios article, Trump just kept like shaming people by calling them globalists throughout the thing. Like to Rob Porter, he was like, wow, I didn't realize you were such a globalist. And what's interesting is that like, you know, Porter and I think John Kelly and Gary Cohn, they were just kind of like resigned to the fact that like, wow, he's just in like this weird mood. Because the way the adults in the room, they thought they were going to have like a sequence of tariffs that would slowly guide the president to the right decision. So they're like, first, we put tariffs on solar panels and washing machines to compete with China. And then like on hundreds of Chinese products that were like stealing American intellectual property, which was like something that was imminent. property, which was like something that was imminent. And then like, and then maybe do the steel and aluminum. If, if at that point, Trump really thought that he still needs to slam them on this trade

stuff. But I guess at this point, like he's fully committed because he kept also mentioning like my base needs this, my base needs this. And I think when you look at last week, what was going on with Hope Hicks leaving, which was a very close aid to him and all the terrible press about Jared and Ivanka. Like, I think this just sort of like triggered him going like, oh, here's red meat for my base without thinking what this actually means. Right. It's similar, like even with the gun stuff last week when he was like, take the guns and then due process.

Right. Like he just, you know, like we don't know. It's the last thing that he heard. Right. I mean, maybe the markets are responding positively today because people are now realizing, oh, he just says shit. Right. I can't believe we're still realizing that after a year. Like, people just can't believe that. But it's the case, you know? You know, like he just says stuff and then he either forgets it or backs off of it or maybe doubles down for a little while.

But ultimately what he says, 5 percent of it must translate into official policy agenda. Right. Right. That's it. Ninety five percent of it is just like throwaway comments, you know? Yeah. But I guess he doesn't realize what effects that can have simply tweeting like threatening a tariff like oh i sent the i sent the stock market plummeting whoa i don't know if he doesn't doesn't realize it i think he probably gets a bit of a kick out of it to tell

you the truth right well i mean you know absolutely but it's his one achievement so you think he'd hold on to that well yeah there's this new york times profile of him like that kind of did a survey of his first year and said that he gets antsy anytime he doesn't see his name in the headlines for like a couple of days. Yeah, I saw that as well. Yeah, he needs this. Because Hope Hicks and Jared and Ivanka were getting all the shine last week. Yeah, I've spent a lot of time thinking about sort of that progress thing I was talking about versus Trumpism because I wanted to see how this Pinker book was going to deal with Trumpism. And I don't think he does it sufficiently. But Gia Tolentino, who's a New Yorker writer, really good New Yorker writer, people should Google her and read everything she's written. But she actually summed it up really well and

kind of dovetails with what you were saying when I was about the Legos. She said, what hurts so badly right now, I think, is this sense of unexpected retrenchment, the fear that decades of incremental progress will be rapidly eradicated by an empty-headed demagogue who appears to be doing everything on a whim. And that, I think, sums up how I feel about, you know, the idea of progress as it relates to where we're at with this guy at the moment. Well, look, let history also teach you a lesson here, too. Trade wars don't really end well for anybody, right?

Like, we tried that with Canada after the Civil War. We, like, ended a reciprocal trade agreement with Canada. And to avoid tariffs, like, 65 American manufacturers just moved their operations to Canada to avoid the tariffs. Right. Or even like the Smoot-Hawley Act in 1930, like basically was putting tariffs on pretty much anything that was imported. And that was disastrous. And a lot of people say that they agree that that probably made the Great Depression a lot worse than it could have been. But, you know, history really isn't important.

So forget it. Never mind. I'm just going to go to the – yeah. Who has anything to learn from history? Suckers. Right. I was going to say that Lego analogy that was so perfect, Miles. The thing is sometimes you want to go smash the Leg legos but normally there's an adult there that

points out that's not really a good idea here's a better way it feels like we're missing the adults now right yeah there's nobody saying wait wait wait let's not do this or there's not enough people or the people who are saying this are not actually in power um but there's no adults to to keep us from smashing the legos or to keep that urge. Because it is a pretty understandable urge, that nihilism, when things are just this messed up and this polarized and there doesn't seem to be any hope whatsoever for any kind of resolution to it. Of course you want to smash the Legos.

But to have somebody wiser or even with just a different perspective to say i know you want to smash the legos but don't do it because you're going to hate yourself later here let's just try this instead this is a better solution that that voice is is very much missing right now from from our world from america at least it feels like yeah um yeah and i think with cone also threatening to leave over this whole tariff thing that would be the last of the adults, or at least the seemingly adult people in that administration. Is Kelly not an adult? I don't know. He's willing to compromise his dignity and beliefs at every turn, so it's hard to know.

And he just seems exhausted. Yeah, he really seems like, man, I don't know. When you're speculating that God is punishing you, I don't know. He's like, this is a deep cut, but do you remember Janine graffalo's character in the cable guy when she worked at medieval times uh no well anyway there's a part where she's like he asked for silverware she's like there was there was no uh silverware in medieval times hence there's no silverware at medieval times and matthew brock's like there's no silverware but they had pepsi and she just looks at him goes look i got a lot of tables man and that's kind of

how john kelly's at now it's like look i got a lot of tables man like just leave me alone fucking leave me alone and i'll just one last thing that also he's a horrible race yeah sorry they're even in the uk right they're trying to tell trump this is a bad idea like the uk cabinet office minister uh who is it david littington he was even like yeah you know we tried that protectionist stuff with our car manufacturers in the 60s and 70s, and that actually didn't work. It protected inefficiencies, and we lost all our export markets because our competitors who were more competitive went out and gobbled those up from us.

So everyone's trying to tell him, like, no, no, no, this isn't the way to do it. But I guess we'll just smash the Legos. Right. It was not Lidington, Mr. Trump. That's an awesome last name. And we're going to take a quick break. And when we come back, we're going to talk about some Academy Awards, guys. Ooh.

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You would have thought that people, because last year's was so zeitgeist-defining, that more people would have watched this year because they didn't want to miss anything. But ratings are apparently way down and potentially the worst ever, potentially because they had the same host as last year, and people, like, apparently that has some effect. Even the same host as last year and people like apparently that has some effect even the same bits right like hey let's go surprise unsuspecting tourists with celebrities let's show how uh connected we are to the normal people by firing a hot dog cannon at their face although when gal gadot said hold still animals when gal gadot was like oh it smells like when kim was like smells like a lot of weed in here.

She was like, yeah, I know. I thought she was going to be like, and I'm the police, so you better be honest. Right. Well, we are thrilled to be joined also by super producer Anna Hosnier, who was keeping an eye on Twitter during the. Thank you so much. I was live tweeting. Oh, you were? Throughout this whole thing.

And do you have any Lidington live tweets that you want to share? What was the most Lidington? Well, there were a few. Josh Fruehlinger at JFRA when Phantom Thread won an Oscar for costume design, which, come on, a little, a bit much. Someone tweeted, wait. Beautifully designed costume. Yeah, but come on come on okay okay uh it was a bad costume at jay fra tweeted wait daniel day lewis didn't design the dresses

for that movie what the fuck kind of method actor is he that really got me but like i said he did actually make one of the dresses in there well yeah and that was interesting enough because sam neill you know our favorite sam neill actor extraordinaire of Jurassic Park fame and everything else he's done, he tweeted a week ago at Daniel Day-Lewis, posted a photo of himself wearing a three-piece suit and described how he basically made that entire suit and then tweeted, eat your heart out, Daniel Day-Lewis. Wow. Which was just like, why are you clapping are you clapping it was just very funny they've always been one and two in my mind of the great method actors of their generation um here's another one at alley ward tweeted i bet meryl's calendar for tonight just said work thing um mike drucker who uh comedy writer tweeted excited to judge Mike Drucker, who comedy writer, tweeted

excited to judge celebrities for every nervous mistake on stage while eating soup with my hands alone in a darkened room, which I thought was pretty spot on how we all just sit around and live tweet every little thing while we're just sitting alone like I got a

utensil of soup eating is really the peak sadness for somebody. Miles, you summarized the awards well I thought this morning when you were saying that it's not really an entertainment as much as it's an opportunity to see how Hollywood would like to view itself. Yeah. It's like I don't even tune in for the show itself anymore because I don't care. The only thing I care about is, like, where is Hollywood at right now? Like, who are they giving awards to? How much more socially conscious have they become?

Not very much, it seems like. Yeah, because – I'm only there to be like, look, I don't care about the shit in between. I just want to know, like, are they – clearly there were some good moments in there, like some of the performances were great. But really the stuff to me that I really hang on to know, like, are they – clearly there were some good moments in there. Like, some of the performances were great. But really the stuff to me that I really hang on to is, like, who are the awards actually given to? Right.

Because nominating is one thing. But when you know that the Academy itself is then voting like that – so when Jordan Peele won for Best Screenplay, I was like, okay, cool, cool. This might – something might be happening. But I think what – this was the for a celebration of of women in film there wasn't much awarding to them right right yeah they uh the award show was very pro-women and they had you know uh accusers of harvey weinstein come out and speak out and that was great um but in terms of the awards it was the fewest awards given to women since 2012. On that note, one Teen Vogue writer, Gabe Bergato, tweeted a photo of Billy Eichner running on the street, Billy on the street.

And the photo says, for $1, name a woman. And then some of the winners were a little problematic too you know like gary oldman got his oscar but that's a man who is dealing with his own allegations of abuse yeah i fast forwarded through that and oh with also one of the most boring acceptance pieces i think i've ever fucking heard and also you know kobe bryant won an academy award and i guess people just forgot about the shit that went down in color 15 years ago where this woman accused him of raping her. And there was a lot of evidence that was very troubling. But they settled out of court and clearly we have moved on from that.

I have a tweet about Kobe as well. Roger Sherman tweeted, move over, EGOT. Kobe Bryant is the first person to ever pull off a LMFAO, which is the Larry O'Brien Trophy, MVP, Finals MVP, All-Star Game MVP, and Oscar. Yeah, not too bad. What did he win an Oscar for? His short film, Dear Basketball. Oh, okay. Do you remember when he announced he was retiring and he wrote a poem about that, that was it was like, I'd say an A minus, you know, high school creative writing level poem where he addressed the game he loves and talked about like how he loves it and how, you know, challenging it was to leave it behind. And somebody made the smart business decision to adapt that into a short film,

an animated short film. And it had a big budget, and it ended up winning for Best Animated Short. And, yeah, so Kobe got up and accepted an Oscar last night. And the Oscar was given to him by BB-8. Right. That whole thing was real awkward. Yeah, I don't know. And then, I mean, the big winner was The Shape of Water.

Oh, best part was Guillermo checked the card to make sure it said Shape of Water on it before he actually grabbed the Oscar. Because, you know, you got to. After last year, you can't trust Warren Beatty anymore. And I don't know if Trump was happy because Mexican directors are dominating the Oscars. Between him and Iñárritu, they're winning every other fucking year. Yeah. So shout out to Mexico.

In Arachu. Sending us with their best. I like Warren Beatty's whole over wink, wink, nod, nod thing. Right. When he came out to present. Was it for Best Picture again? Yeah. Yes.

Yeah. It was a little much. Yeah. Get it? Because we fucked it up last year. Do you guys get it? Do over. But, I mean, I think what we're talking about with the award show being all about

women but then only six women being awarded was perfectly addressed by frances mcdormand's uh speech uh when she accepted the academy award for best actress and got up and basically said every woman who is nominated stand up they did and uh. And she was like, okay, now look around at these women. Now we want you to actually give us jobs and help us. We all have ideas for stories. But don't come up to us and congratulate us at the party tonight and be like, oh, yeah, we're big fans. We'd love to work with you. Pencil something in.

Yeah, pencil something in. Pencil something in. Have us in meetings at your office actually follow through. Put the money on the table, which is I think what we were saying. And the call to the industry at large of putting in inclusion writers in your contracts. Which would basically contractually

obligate a production to hire minorities or women in whatever way possible. I don't know what the specifics would be, but essentially saying that like stars wouldn't agree to do a film unless the production itself is dedicated to inclusion. It was very inside baseball. My mom turned to me and goes, what's an inclusion writer? Right. I was just like, I don't know.

Even in a room full of like L.A. Hollywood people yesterday, people took a second and they're like, what? Inclusion writer? And then they're like, oh, a writer writer to a contract is that her badass biker gang and um and and is there uh is there another story about the shape of water that you'd like to share you really want to talk about thank that you were desperate to talk about bringing that up so um this uh company that makes dildos decided because we all love that sexy sexy creature from shape of water i mean what a whoo yeah what a tall glass of seawater tall glass of seawater can you just do the Samantha from Sex and the City?

Okay, here's my Samantha from Sex and the City. He's got the funkiest tasting spunk. We meant just read the whole, do the piece like that. Okay. No. So wait, they're making dildo. Wait, so a dildo company, what now? So this dildo company, Xenocat Artifacts, they sell and make like exotic, interesting dildos.

They designed a dildo for the sea creature from Shape of Water. And it, look, I'm not going to lie, it is spot on. Not that I know, I mean, what do I know? No one saw it. Wait, so what's spot on to what? But I mean, just how it looks. We'll post the photo on the footnotes. How you expect that it would look. mean, what do I know? No one saw it. Wait, so what spot on the web? But I mean, just how it looks. We'll post the photo on the footnotes. How you expect that it would look.

Yeah. I was amazed. I was like, yeah, no, I could totally see that. It's colored like his body. And it's got, well, you'll have to go look. I won't describe it to detail, but you know. It's sold out immediately. And so they had to come out with a whole new shipment.

I believe it came out on January 15, sold out in like a few hours. They dropped another one on March 3rd. I believe it's already sold out because maybe I went online to get it. I mean, it's not any of your business. How is this not a cottage industry already where they just make dildos for different movie characters? Oh, yeah. dildos for different movie characters. Oh, yeah.

Like, even if they're human characters, if it was like, yo, this is Tom Hardy from Dunkirk's Junk. Or this is the Fred Flintstone. Right. Here's the Daniel Plainview from There Will Be Blood. Right. I think those would do well. But what was the development process like?

So they were just like, well, this is what we think a sea creature's penis would look like and well this company is known for designing um like custom silicone dildos that are like they have some like whale dildos and yeah they have whale dicks but i think it's called a dork they're all very well done. So I think they had a designer come in and, you know, just really look at photos of him. And I think just sculpt what they really thought it would look like. And it, like I said, it's spot on. It looks like it could have, you know, how if you've seen the movie, the hand motions of how they described it coming out. Emerging. Yeah. It like opens up and pops out.

The penis coming out. Emerging. Yeah, it like opens up and pops out. I mean, based on this, we can say that he is not a fish man because fish are broadcast inseminators, right? They just shoot it out there and it lands on eggs somehow. To see where it lands, yeah. Right. See what sticks to the wall. Right.

Exactly. So this proves that the fish man is actually more of a whale, dolphin human, clearly. So we got to the bottom of that case. So, yeah, the actor Doug Jones, who plays the fish, not very many people know that, he was, I don't know, he said he wasn't exactly thrilled because he said, after pouring my heart, soul, blood, sweat, and tears into this romantic, beautiful, magical role, the last thing I want to be remembered for is a silicon appendage that comes in two sizes, which is, like, sweat, and tears into this romantic, beautiful, magical role. The last thing I want to be remembered for is a silicon appendage that comes in two sizes, which is understandable. But don't also

take yourself too seriously, my man. You didn't have any speaking lines. I think he was just being... I think he was kind of caught off guard. He's actually a great... I think he's played monsters before, and he's pretty good and

it's an honor right that someone went that far to speculate what the character's penis would look like thirsting for this it was selling out yeah and every time they would take people's like constructive criticism and perfect it yeah that's you were saying that there's like a feedback process with this dildo maker also v2 was different than the launch version yeah they like perfected like us the like circumference of the girth yeah we're really getting deep into this uh but guillermo del toro came out and said that it wasn't accurate so what an asshole man i don't know what he thought right let's try that's not what i had in mind right well then come out with yours then guillermo like don't fuck what he thought nice try that's not what I had in mind well then come out with yours then Guillermo don't fuck around let the people know

if we're fucking up the origin story of the member of this character then let us know or else we're going to have to wildly speculate well Anna thank you so much for that Josh it has been a pleasure having you where can people find you

at my house cool Josh, it has been a pleasure having you. Where can people find you? At my house. Okay. Oh, great. Cool. Still living in Bangalore? No, no. I won't squander this opportunity.

They can find me on Stuff You Should Know on iTunes at stuffyoushouldknow.com. Every Tuesday and Thursday, we release a new episode. And thank you for setting me up for that. And also, I didn't get to say this at the beginning, but thank you very much for having me on today and let's do this tomorrow yeah oh hell yeah uh it's a thrill i like i said to you before off mic uh you guys were the first podcast i ever listened to and i've been a big fan for a long time so this has been a thrill for uh me as well well i'm i'm blown away by you guys as well like um like i thought you were seriously like crazy to try this you know on a daily basis and now that i've done it you are absolutely crazy so i'm deeply impressed with you guys

oh thanks did you hear that listeners yeah josh just showed us some love yeah show us proper respect yes uh put some respect on our name Miles where can people find you? You can find me on Twitter and Instagram You can find me at Jack underscore O'Brien on Twitter You can find us at Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram

We have a Facebook fan page We also have a website DailyZeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes where we link off to the sources for the information that you heard in today's episode uh that is going to do it for this monday episode of the daily zeitgeist we will be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast talk to you guys then i'm carrie champion and this is season four of Naked Sports.

Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's basketball. And on this new season, we'll cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio apps, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke.

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because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry. Caitlin Clark versus Angel Reese on the iHeartRadio app,

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