The Daily Zeitgeist - The Ye Of It All, Goth Batman 3.04.22

Episode Date: March 4, 2022

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It's Friday, March 4th, 2022. My name is Jack O'Brien, aka, so maybe I might not have to drink my pee now if Omicron is over. Omicron is over. Omicron's over. Omicron's over. That was supposed to be all the stars. Like Patrick Lamar and SZA. I got it.

Okay. I know, you were there. Yeah. Hey, I really appreciate that. That was Curseya at Gerald Bryce on Twitter. And I'm thrilled to be joined by my special guest co-host, a producer behind the scenes on shows like Fake Doctors, Real Friends.

Welcome to our show. You've heard her on Pop Culture Happy Hour, read her at Vulture, The A.V. Club, Teen Vogue, Pace, many more. She is the brilliant and talented Joelle Monique! Hail, hail, hail, Marvel Defender back in the house might go to

some DC Defending later today as the Purple Dawn that's good oh you know a lot of people have been talking shit about my stance on Batman behind the scenes of this show

I thought that the Riddler played pranks on people and then caught myself halfway through a sentence. And it got back to Joelle. Joelle was like, all right, I got to come on here. Tell Miles to take a day. Tell Miles to take a day. I need to talk to Jack about his Batman blasphemy. I'm going to say we're going to talk about it later. I'm very excited about his Batman blasphemy. I'm going to say, we're going to talk about it later,

I'm very excited about this Batman. That should be. But before we get to any of that, Joelle, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a very funny and talented podcaster, author, and TV personality. She's the author of the book Tropical Attire Encouraged and Other Phrases That Scare Me and hosts the podcasts podcasts Allison Rosen is Your New Best Friend, Childish, which is a podcast for parents and people with parents, that she co-hosts with Greg Fitzsimmons, and Upworthy Weekly, please welcome the hilarious, the brilliant Allison Rosen! Hello! I always, always, always love joining you guys on this podcast.

It is always the highlight of whatever week slash month that it is when I'm on here. And now I'm about to embarrass myself because you guys very clearly laid out that, Jack, you embarrassed yourself when you did this. So I don't know what kind of nihilism is propelling me to say this, but the Riddler didn't play tricks on people. What? See? No, he asks you to solve riddles. He makes you solve riddles, Allison. Which lead you to different places.

Oh. He's like the Zodiac, but just like a little bit, you know, funnier. That feels like pranks in the form of questions yeah his whole existence is a prank on all of us but did the joker ever have like some clownish like it you know he's obviously gone in the dark prince of crime like you gotta think about like batman started in i mean really started in the 20s but like hits the popular culture zeitgeist later in the 60s and so in that era you have like a lot of goofy criminals running around like you know we smash them into a giant pie or like you know batman has bat repellent but over the years they, they sort of evolve. You know, in the 90s, you get a much darker Batman thanks to Batman 89.

And so some of these villains become, you know, still sometimes comic relief, but more sinister, you know, until eventually we get to Heath Ledger's Joker. And this is sort of our first sinister look at a Riddler character. And I'm really excited about this movie. Yeah, I love a good Dan-o. And I'm really excited about this movie. Yeah. I love a good Dano. Paul Dano? Hell yeah. I like the tone that the movie seems to have in the trailer and the touch points.

It's gray, but there are colors. It's not just blue. Ooh, thrilling. I'm personally very excited about Colin Farrell. I think he's, for whatever reason, he just seems to be cursed to be in a lot of bad shit, but I think he's a very good actor, and I'm excited to see.

He's an actor who's got a 50-50 career. It's really a coin toss. Is this a great movie, or why are you like this? Yeah, what are you doing? So the villains will not be smashing people into pies in this one? Probably not. You know, maybe as a finale, it'll be very darkly like, you know, a Sweeney Todd version of making people into a pie.

Although, I will say that the touch points that people are using, they're saying it has more in common with Zodiac and Seven than other superhero movies. And what was John Doe from Seven but a real prankster? You know what I'm saying? Just a real goof. Right, who asks people questions. Dark sense of humor. He's just asking questions here. Right.

Like an installment of Jackass, if you will. Right. Yeah, yeah. Oh, no. Grim Jackass. A very, very dark alternate timeline. Anyways, I'm excited about it. But we're going to do a segment a little later on in the show that I just invented this morning called What's Making You Happy?

Not used by any other podcast. Not a show that Joelle regularly appears on. Wow. I'm going gonna hear about this if anything they stole it from me wow no you invented happiness right before now people were searching for a way to describe that feeling they were like what is it frivolity is it it's like it's the opposite of sad sometimes it it involves smiling. I just gotta... Back to the drawing board. What is this sensation?

I can't believe I didn't realize. Like I asked the question, did the Joker ever have any goofy things? I was raised on Adam West, Batman. I was gonna say. And even Jack Nicholson, Batman, like had the like... Didn't he have a flower that squirted something bad on people?

Acid sure did. Yeah, burn your face right up. I've been out of practice for far too long when it comes to consuming Batman. He had a whole dance scene to Prince in an art gallery. But that was sinister. That was creepy. Taking acid to the face was a real fear or maybe is still. That's of all the horrendous things that can happen to you.

And I think I speak for most human beings with flesh on their body. That's a real dark fear. I don't know if you guys remember. I feel like maybe I'm a little bit older. There was this very bad but compelling show called Divorce Court on television when I was growing up. But it was fake cases. Right. court on television when I was growing up. But it was fake cases, right? So unlike People's Court with Wapner, which were actual real cases, Divorce Court was scripted, but you couldn't

necessarily tell. Well, I just found out Cheaters was not real. And now I have to learn that Divorce Court was fake as well? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. My sick days are ruined. I know. What happened? So there was someone on the stand who, or no, maybe it, I can't remember which direction the vial of acid flew, whether it was thrown from the stand into like a, I think it was thrown toward the person's like on the witness stand. But anyway, during testimony, someone got a vial of acid thrown at his or her face. And it was very intense. But fake. That's more proof that it was fake.

But that happened during a case on divorce court. Truly horrifying. It haunted me almost as much as watching Fantasy Island. I get it. Well, we're going to talk about some other, some things happening in the court of public opinion with a divorce a little bit later on. We're also going to talk about so there's some developments in the January 6th case or sort of developments. Just it seems like they think they can refer Trump for a crime. Oh, my goodness. Fingers crossed. This is just it's feeling more and more like it might be the best chance we have at keeping him out of office in 2024. So I want to talk about that a little bit. We're going to talk about

briefly the two fronts of the war in Ukraine. You know, Russia is because they don't care about human life or, you know, they're just slowly bombing everything in their path moving forward. It seems like military people are like, it's a matter of when, not if, like they're just gonna do what they want because they are bombing civilians and civilians are gonna get the fuck out of the way. But then, you know, we're hearing more and more about the impact of the sanctions on Russia, the kind of next level economic warfare that's being waged on Russia, which sucks for Russians, is my read on the situation on the ground there. People are saying the last couple of days it has turned to like everybody just waiting in lines at ATMs trying to get money out and flee the country and then not being allowed to flee the country.

And so all bad things over there. So we're going to talk about all that upsetting shit. And then we're going to talk about some stuff that makes us making us happy. All of that. Plenty more. But first, Allison, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? I recently searched watermelon sheets because I have two little boys. I have a five-year-old and a three-year-old, and we recently bought them bunk beds, sort of out of a weird desperation because my five-year-old recently

decided he doesn't want to sleep in his room anymore. He's over his room. I think something spooked him. I know a lot of parents deal with their kids wanting to sleep in their bed a lot, and that becomes a whole thing. We really haven't dealt with that except lately that's been happening. So we've been thinking that if the two of them were sleeping in the same room, they would both enjoy that, and maybe that would be a solution to this so we went i went ahead bought the bunk beds and so elliot my five-year-old announced that he wants watermelon sheets and he thinks owen should have dinosaur sheets and if they don't have dinosaur sheets then owen should have backyard again sheets i don't know if you guys are familiar with backyard agains it's actually really good agains oh so good created by a black

woman love it owen is obsessed with it he has a little uniqua stuffed animal and a little tyrone stuffed animal uh it's all he wants to watch and he calls it back into guard agains um it's all he he went from watching a bunch of shows to uh it 24-7 back at a guard against he's obsessed with it he loves it so much i like the music too so it's actually works out pretty well but anyway really good on that one i we have not like gotten into watching it but the that is on some very early mixes that were in heavy rotation in my household. And those are the ones that I actually miss. It's preferable. There's some music that they can lock into, like Barney,

where you just want to jump out a window. So thankfully, this is pretty good. So anyway, I was trying to find watermelon sheets. I found some watermelon sheets where the watermelon, they're wearing sun. It looks like it's like the opening of saved by the bell like threw up on a bedspread so it's watermelons wearing sunglasses i told elliot about this he seemed excited he looked at it and this is not what he was imagining he told me he imagined round watermelons wearing sunglasses and the watermelons would have arms and

they were would be and this is a, but they would be like going like this. Right. Pointing the sunglasses. So back to the drawing board. So I've just been looking for variety of sheets with watermelons on them. Elliot has a vision and I love it. Yeah. Yeah.

I know our listeners somewhere. Someone knows where the hell these sheets are. Give them to elliot asap tweet at allison rosen yeah can we do the california raisin but just replace it with a watermelon because that seems like what we're looking for yes that would be not how has a better fruit not gone with that same strategy and just been like what if our fruit was really fucking cool like that yeah let's try that play jazz sex hell yeah do you have you ever had tim kalpakis on the show do you know who that is i know who it is i yeah and i am revealing a lot about how many episodes we've done how

broken my brain is that i don't know if we've had him on or not um i have i have people like that too where i'm like that too, where I'm like, that sounds familiar. And then I'll be like, oh, yes. And I talked to them in depth for an hour and a half. So I had them on the show. But anyway, his wife is also a podcaster and refers to herself as a fruit fluencer.

And I feel like she, if no one gets in contact having found these sheets, she might be a source I could go to because she is a fruit fluencer. So she might know. All right. So anyway, but it is a question when your five-year-old has a very specific vision,

how far do you go trying to find it? Cause I could also like, just get him some sheets. Yeah. Yeah. I'd be like, I don't know, man,

we spilled some watermelon juice on there. It's the best we could do but then you get to be the hero when you come home and you're like i discovered them like my mom used to sew my costumes when i was a kid and so she could make me like anything i wanted to be and it was way cooler than whatever like crap the store had yeah and it was awesome but now as an adult i'm like well i really worked her. Why? That's so cool. She spent $20. But instead, I got like a very elaborate little red riding hood with like eyelet lace around the hood.

And I wore that thing out. Yeah. He's already decided. So he's very into Adam's family. He's he's despite the brightness of the sheets that he wants. He's like a tiny goth child. So he already decided he wants to be cousin it for Halloween. wants he's like a tiny goth child so he already has decided he wants to be cousin it for halloween and he's working with grandma and she's already gotten him

the cousin it costume that he wants i mean we're in march now and he's already like every day talking to her about this cousin it costume so oh my god that's precious you're the coolest five year old i know ever that is so oh man that's dope busily're the coolest five-year-old ever. That is so, oh man, that's dope. I'm busily taking notes over here and I'm going to report to my five-year-old when he gets home what he needs to work on. What kind of sheets does he have? He has train sheets.

He's still like, he's not- Very basic, but he's- It's a classic. He's like a train obsessive, like from three through about five months ago. And the train sheets are mostly like just coasting on the inertia of his past obsession. Owen is also very into trains, specifically Thomas and Percy. Yeah.

His favorite thing to do would be watch like out of context shots of real trains just driving across the countryside. Oh yeah. Just not nonstop to the point that we had to like outlaw just, it's basically train porn. Like that's what it is. It's like out of context shots of trains moving. And yet it's not running a train.

Yeah, it's not that I know. I haven't watched all of them. Oh, no. What is something you think is overrated? Oh, okay. Listen, I don't know if I've done this one already on the show. I worry that I have because this is how intensely and passionately I feel it's overrated.

And yet I can't, I don't think I have. I think, and sorry to sound like Garfield, but I think mornings are overrated. And also I think getting into the shower immediately upon waking, which I know some people swear by, and I know that my not working early in the morning privilege is showing. Especially lately, I feel like getting in the shower right away in the morning, it's so violent. I feel like getting in the shower right away in the morning, it's so violent. It's so violently wet. I have to get up. I have to like shuffle around.

I have to drink coffee. I have to resent the fact that I'm awake because I do have to get up early because of my kids. But I'm like, I'm not committing to being awake. I am squinty. My feet are just like touching the, I'm just, I'm sliding around. I'm drinking coffee. I'm grunting. I'm sliding around. I'm drinking coffee. I'm grunting. I'm moaning. I'm resisting it. And I know that there's something so virtuous about mornings, but I don't think there should be. I don't get why morning is really any better than late at night. So I feel that mornings and earliness and all of that is overrated.

Okay. So I am with you on the virtuous aspect of things like i don't think one is necessarily better than the other and i love and understand people who are like no nighttime is great nighttime is great because no one is effing bothering you right the piece of trying to get things done at night i used to be the night person like i would get off work at like nine and then stay up to like four in the morning doing like my schoolwork. And that was very helpful because, again, nobody wants anything. So that when I start the day, everybody has what they need that they asked for yesterday. Now you have it now.

Please don't bother me. We're at peace. And then I'll get back to you late afternoon. And that's a good system to work on just as far as like getting things done and feeling organized. But the mornings. OK yes i understand like i'm gonna shower at night and be clean in the morning and that's fine but like it's just full of possibilities anything could happen it's morning it's so early like the nighttime you're only like oh my god here comes the sun it's coming hurry move quickly because the sun is coming up and we can't deal and then there's gonna be people and that's very anxiety inducing but in the morning oh my the whole day is ahead i love getting my planner out and be like what do i need

to do today i just go through my little checklist and then i open my emails and i work on the west coast so the east coast people have already like dropped all their requests and i just find it very peaceful especially since i started meditating in the morning. Now it's like, okay, I'm just going to breathe into this morning and it's going to be really great. And then by like, you know, I don't know, 1130, the glamour of that has worn off. But you did have a couple of very precious hours where you were like, man, I can do anything today. I'm not going to lie to you. But Allison, to me, that sounds like a real virtuous ass morning that joel is talking about that's oh yeah that's real morning person talk right there it was and and the tell

was that by 11 30 the glamour wore off because really what she was saying is by 11 30 the virtue wore off right yes yes i that's like i was that kid in school who there were like, it was like, I don't know if you guys have, I feel like it was called like SRA reading or something. It was like this thing that we were all doing together, but it was somehow outside of the curriculum where we were all reading books and it was somehow a competition. And as long as I was ahead of everyone, I was super into it. But once I fell behind, I was like, fuck this. And that's how I am with mornings. Like if I can wake up on some weird morning really early and I get all my shit done, then I'm into it. But once it's just regular

1130, nah, now I'm just tired. It's only fine when it's a competition there there are just back to the like bathing first thing like there are certain things that having kids has made me like appreciate with a fresh brain like bubbles are pretty cool it turns out like trains construction sites they're actually cooler than i was giving them credit for in my early 30s the getting into and out of a bathing apparatus and like changing your body temperature and like being dry, then like completely soaked, then like not soaked anymore is it's a big deal. We like we we get used to it. But that that is like a fight every single night with my kids. And I can't tell them like, no, it's going gonna be fine this time when you get out it won't be absolutely freezing and you won't be like kind of you know twitching all around because you're

cold and i'm like slipping on the ground and uh it sucks every time get them heated floors in the bathroom okay they're little toesies touch warm floors when they get out. I wish they had that so much. Big, giant, fluffy towels. You're good to go. That's how I get them ready for the cold world. Cold bathroom floors. What is something, Allison, you think is underrated? I think I'm already worried that I'm not going to articulate this as well as I'm imagining it in my head. going to articulate this as well as I'm imagining it in my head, but I think that kindness and stating something in a kind, gentle, direct way is underrated. I feel like, and this might be a

social media thing, but I feel like there's this premium placed on boundaries right now, which I agree with. Like, it's really good to have healthy boundaries. That is something I struggle with. And I think a lot of, just to make a gross generalization, a lot of women for sure struggle with boundaries. But I think that there's such a premium placed on boundaries that at least in social media, the way that it's discussed, that at least in social media, the way that it's discussed, it's like, here's what actual boundaries look like. And then they'll list these boundaries that to me, it comes off so harsh. And I actually made note of them. Like, you don't get to tell me how I feel. That wasn't funny. It was offensive. If I want your advice, I'll ask. You don't get to comment on what I eat. All of which I agree with the sentiment of them,

but I do, and if you're dealing with an asshole, fine. You know, that's great. Say something that's that direct. I just think with each of them, there is a way to say it that is a little bit gentler. I think that in real life, most people aren't trying to be awful. We could give people the benefit of the doubt.

Most people are just kind of bumbling about and they don't really mean to do so much harm. So I feel like in the service of self-care, sometimes we're actually being pretty mean to people. So I think what we might be losing speaking in i say yes let's speak in a direct manner but let's also try to be kind let's not yeah kind gentle direct yeah but but we can't throw out the direct part like right we shouldn't go so far to be kind that we're not saying what we mean because i know that i can definitely do that i can like just it's a fine line yeah indeed yeah yeah there's something to be said for like how am i communicating my needs to this person right am i communicating in a way that they feel they can come back to me again right and like have and like still do this conversation or am i shutting a door

sometimes i mean to shut that door um but not always. You know, sometimes, you know, I agree with you. For the most part, I think everyone's just doing their best and trying to be helpful and supportive and get through their day. And there's definitely ways we can have conversations. But yeah, directness is a challenge. Yeah. Right. I'm bad with boundaries. And one of the things that I find now that I have discovered boundaries are a thing and that I need to communicate them to other people, my own boundaries to other people, as someone who is just learning how to do that, I will do a bad job of it, get let the like, you know, idea of like, I got to set this boundary, like build up inside and then have a tendency to do just the

worst job of communicating that and and then like as you get better as i've gotten slightly better at doing it it's i found that like i i think i had my mind like boundary as like a single a singular like you just stepped on the line dude and now're fucked. And it's more like being good at communicating it like in a lot of ways over over time, which is a lot of work. But I think it's something you can practice and like get better at. Right. And maybe for people who have trouble communicating them, that sort of over-correction is necessary at the beginning. Yeah. I think kindness, being like kind, gentle, boundary setting is for people who are good at setting boundaries.

And it's something to aspire to. But definitely, you know, set the boundary instead of not. Yeah. That's why I say I think that in a way I might be directing this more at social media than at real life, because it's these TikToks and these, you know, things on Instagram that I find myself looking at where I get frustrated because it like, you know, just tons of things online where it's like, here's what actual boundaries look like. And I read it and it's like this is coming off so unnecessarily harsh to me. And again, that might be a me thing. Yeah, I think it's an everyone thing. But all right, let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about the news.

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So the January 6th commission in trying to get a look at like thousands of pages of emails between Trump and one of his advisors did kind of indicate that they think they will have an argument for criminal charges against Trump. And, you know, this is being treated as a big deal. I, like, it could be a very big deal if they can, like, make charges stick. I do always want to say, having, like, gotten swept up in the Russia stuff in the early days of the Trump administration, like, we're at the still very early stages and we're only hearing

from the people building the case and not from the, like, defense attorneys explaining why the case is going to be hard to make, which is what got us in trouble there. It's like, you just hear, like, people being like, well, it could be this, and then it gets this momentum. That said, an ongoing investigation of a thing we all know Trump was doing because he was doing it publicly, trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power, with occasional details, facts slipping out. lining up to be probably the biggest thing standing in the way of a Trump 2024 nomination or election, because what he did was illegal. Like, the intent was to overturn the results of an election and prevent the peaceful transfer of power. Like, we heard the calls with the Georgia election official where he's asking them to, find votes for him, like fucking boss tweet. So I don't know, like whatever the emails reveal, it just feels like as the way the timeline shaping

up and the pace of this, it's at least a major liability for his campaign and for the Republican Party to be dealing with. But are you thinking it's going to sway opinion about him or are you thinking logistically it's going to get in the way if he is put away? Because my feeling, well, first of all, let me say I have now come back to a place that didn't bring me happiness because I wasn't even and I don't know where I guess I had my head in the sand. I wasn't even thinking that he was, that he was like a real potential shoo-in to be back in office until I came on this very show and you, Jack and Miles were the ones who were like, oh yeah, we think it's going to happen. And I said, no, I have been trying to ignore the fact that my, cause my husband is like a real doomsday prophet about that kind of stuff too. And I just try to not

pay attention to it. And then I was like, now there's too many voices saying it. So anyway, I feel like the people that want him reelected, nothing is going to stop them from wanting him reelected. And I think that, you know, they love the fact that he doesn't follow the rules, that he's a real shitty guy, that he'll do whatever it takes. So I just don't think even irrevocable proof that he has broken the law. They're fine with that. They love that. You know, so I don't think that's going to be a problem. But logistically, if he, you know, if he is unable to be on the ticket because of convictions against him and stuff, that could be a good thing. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. that is like kind of cresting at this moment and i don't think the january 6th investigation is cresting necessarily but like the it does feel like people are kind of having second thoughts

on the whole authoritarianism thing that everybody seems so hot on during trump's administration on on that side of the uh political spectrum and like putin and now it's like you know china and india it's like that it's basically like dividing the world on on a axis of like authoritarianism versus not and you know trump still even though he has said a couple critical things about the invasion of Ukraine. It still feels like he, you know, his record kind of speaks for itself on that one. So I could also see that kind of coming into play on the public opinion side. But that said, I don't doubt that there's a massive kind of undercurrent of authoritarianism that is still there that the mainstream media is still unable to detect through polling and that will get him a shocking number of votes.

I want to be hopeful, but it just sort of like when you were talking about the, you know, original Russia stuff. It just I feel like Charlie Brown with the football. Like, I just feel like I'm not going to do it again. I'm not going to get my hopes up again about any of this shaking out the way it feels like it should. Yeah. Depending on how far

they get into actually prosecuting him, I wonder how long until he flees to Russia. I mean, there's one thing we know, like Trump is a coward. He's not marching with his people. He's not going to jail. So i think that'll be interesting to see a former president on the lam from the u.s government could be exciting yeah

it's a good reality show i feel like he would think he's above it because he has been to this point like he would think he's above it until he is handcuffed and in a prison cell. But I also feel like he probably is above it because of just how America operates. And he's oligarch and used to be president. He probably can pull a lot of strings to protect him. I just don't know if it will be enough to make it so that he is still a likely presidential candidate. But who the fuck knows? I've been surprised so many times.

I've also heard people talk about how the Russia invading after everyone was like, but it doesn't make sense that they would invade. Like, you can't. Like, no way they would. like you can't like no way they would like that it it kind of echoes or like rhymes with the 2016 election and just this world where like the wildest storyline like narrative that direction that things can go is what happens because i don't know yeah it's surreal to revisit that time and then like we were watching key and peel the other day and there's like they do a bit where it's surreal to revisit that time and then like we were watching key and peel the other day and there's like they do a bit where it's like hillary talking to obama and they're like salty with each other for you know obama basically quote stealing hillary's time in the office and

now she's like and now it's my turn and it was like there was no thought that Trump could win at all. And it is sort of weird to see people sort of still have that mindset of like, oh, but definitely not again now because we learned our lesson. It's like it has a lesson been learned or did a couple of people go to jail for a few months for trying to overthrow the government? I mean, I'm not calling that lesson learned. Yeah, no, definitely not. All right. And then just kind of the update, and this is kind of all over the place, but just to acknowledge it, like the thing that people seem to be saying about Russia's invasion of Ukraine is that like militarily, like it's going badly for them, but it's also like they don't give a fuck. They're just slowly rolling forward, doing war crimes to get everybody out of the way

by bombing civilian targets. And that has been their strategy in the past. And it's just a matter of time before they take over the entire country. So militarily, it's bleak. Over 1 million people have fled Ukraine, which that's a huge human rights travesty. There's also, we're hearing about this being a two-front war and then the economic sanctions being sort of the most drastic and impactful that we've ever seen in the modern world where they basically just like turned the

entire economy off like western powers did to to a certain degree their stock market still hasn't opened up they're like people have limits on the amount of money they can get out people are fleeing and being stopped at the border and there's like reporting i'll just just read from, I think it was an AP journalist was saying that like, yeah, so life in Russia is deteriorating extremely rapidly. So many of my friends are packing up and leaving the country. Their cards are blocking huge lines for ATMs, rumors that borders will close soon. What have we done? How did we not stop him earlier? stop him earlier. So it seems like, yeah, from inside the country, another quote, our economy is going to hell. So it does seem like it's, you know, we already spoke about the U.S. economic sanctions in countries like Afghanistan that are absolutely, you know, devastating and causing loss of human life. But this is sort of seeing that sort of sped up and made even more dramatic by just having the coordination of everybody in the world. So it's, and I think some people are looking at this and being like, you know, this is very drastic and concerned about like how Putin responds, which I feel like is a thing that is out there.

But I feel like we haven't really talked much about on the show, but it is does seem to be at the center of like the zeitgeist and how people are thinking about the world right now. It's just really awful that the people are caught in the middle, because as you've pointed out, he doesn't care about the world right now. It's just really awful that the people are caught in the middle, because as you've pointed out, he doesn't care about the people. He doesn't care about his people. So it's not what if it doesn't have the desired effect? Right. It's yeah. I mean, there's a lot. There's a long history of Putin and Russia historically being much more willing to let their people die and suffer in order to accomplish their overall objectives. Right. That's the military.

That seems to be their military strategy this time and always has been. Let me rephrase. I don't mean to say he doesn't care about his people, but maybe he doesn't. What I mean to say is the cost of human suffering, I don't feel, is top mind for him he's he's made peace with that yeah no i think you're absolutely right yeah i don't think yeah no he's not concerned with other people or yeah i mean because otherwise why would you just march into ukraine i also think that like revolution as we understand it is so different with um a nuclear option yeah uh hanging over i mean it's one thing for you know um an all-powerful ruler to move against the best needs of his people and and kind of go

on a conquering spree i mean history has thousands of those and we've seen sort of how we deal with that either a bunch of folks come together and tackle it or the people bring out the guillotines. It's an entirely different thing when he's got power to push a button. And technically, no one can object to that on his side. So it's so much to think about. I've caught myself having like the doomsday scenario. I mean, particularly living in like the economic heartbeat of America. It's not a great vibe. The doomsday scenario being World War III, like we all vaporize.

Yeah. I mean, just the nuclear option period. Like, I mean, yes, it's one thing to like, if we were to enter a technical like world war where we have multiple battles being fought across different countries, like that's awful. And the death tolls of those are just tremendous and unthinkable but the nuclear option i think just because it has such enduring effects on wherever that shit lands is i mean it's catastrophic it's all it literally scars and alters a place for infinity it's truly a horrifying thought that we have someone who might not be in full capacity of

their brain who is angry who is already making these what people thought would be impossible choices yeah that he that he can at any time just decide well if you guys then i'm just gonna take out a city yeah should we try to set some boundaries with him this is what happens yeah this is what happens when you don't set boundaries what do you guys think is his goal that's something that daniel my husband and i have talked about like does he want the old borders or is does he want to you know annex and accumulate and take over as much as he can? Does he want to take over the world? I mean, I think it's first restore Russia to a previous glory that he believes it once held

as from that includes lands and its finances that includes global power. And then I think at once, if he were to ever achieve just that goal, then yeah, I don't think there's any end to his wanton desire to rule and i think you know being a toxic man who runs the country i really think that his idea is just like i deserve to rule this and so i'll take it by force i mean i think he has more in common with trump than we like to imagine in terms of like his motivations i don't know if you've like watched the videos where he goes and like plays hockey against professional hockey players and like they're all like pretending to like not be able to stop him because he's like so good at hockey 70 year old man against a 19 year old they're like oh sir you're so strong yeah i think i think there's a lot of like you know individual shit

tied in i also don't want to make it seem like he is completely failing at his initial like crazy psychopathic mission because like as the producer justin just pointed out in the in the um producer justin just pointed out in the in the um chat chat you got it you got it long week uh as to producer justin just pointed out in the chat uh most russians still believe it's you know the u.s and nato they're causing this and it's you know the i i think in some ways a lot there's a lot of articles coming out today being like china's really regretting becoming like friends with Putin. But I think this also like they've also had to like, you know, starts to put, like, move things in a direction that is pretty terrifying and probably good for Russia in the long term. Wait, most Russians, okay, I haven't read this article. Most Russians believe it's the U.S.'s

fault still, according to New York Times. Most Russians believe it's our fault that there's a war with Ukraine, or they believe the sanctions are our fault i think that there's a war the war is caused by the u.s like trying to put ukraine in nato or bring ukraine into nato which is seen as like a military like a military affront to Russia, which, you know, like that's there's definitely. Which doesn't even that the fact that they would then invade Ukraine, because if I'm understanding correctly, because we refuse to say we're not we we're not going to bring them in. Like that doesn't even make sense as like, OK, then we're going to invade. That doesn't even like make it's not even logical right he needed a a thing that caused it right he needed like the inciting incident for the war

and he couldn't come up with one so he like did some like half-assed like yes nazi claiming they're nazis also he owns the media so he's like there's yeah he's good when the kremlin can just pump out a storyline repeatedly you know and you're not getting a lot of outside information you know you're gonna some people will believe what they're told and there's obviously a subsect in russia that is against this war that understands that it's not the logical choice moving forward but at the same time like there's just he's so much power and reach in his own country that it's kind of hard to combat that from an outsider perspective.

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in a lot of early parades that were anti-obama so you know here we are art and criticizing it and sort of trying to come to some conclusions about what it means if i separate the fact that pete davidson is a real person who's still in his 20s and just look at it as an art piece of like here's a guy who essentially blew up his own relationship is going through a lot with his baby mama and the kids and the incredible intensity that is fame who has bipolar and is you know either i'm not sure like what where he's at working on it i don't know what that is i do know mental illness is not an excuse for your actions you still have to be responsible for them um speaking of somebody with multiple mental illnesses that being said like the rage is palpable the art is good not morally but just not morally but just in a this black and white

claymation part claymation part live action video is interesting it evokes a very clear emotion it is i think the right just again just from an artistic perspective, like the rhyme scheme hits the visuals of what he's trying to depict works. On the flip side of that, there are like real people involved. And Kanye, like many celebrities of his ilk, I'll include a Taylor Swift in this, understands that when they say something about somebody,

their audience takes that to heart. Nicki Minaj fans are the same way. And as a celebrity, you have to be aware of like who are my fans and what are they capable of what have we seen them do before and I do think that Kanye is sort of spreading this message of like get Pete Davidson it's not direct it's not it's not it's not a direct message but it's definitely there subliminally and i think it can impact some of his younger more impressionable fans if i were kim i could see being afraid like this is we talked prior to recording if this were a private citizen like there would be a good

reason to call the police absolutely he's just posting pictures of like killing my new partner i don't understand what's happening. It's very frightening. We have children involved who, you know, don't need any of this in their life. Yeah. And so from that, it's hard to, I think on the one hand, like as a person, I'm pretty, I don't even want to say appalled because I've been in an emotional state where you're just like, ah, the rage. But I do wish that there was any kind of deeper thought than just here's my rage playing on the page you know if there was kanye's artistic depths are

very vast he has the capacity to sit down and fully articulate himself when he wants to and i think this is just reactionary and because of that i think it has the potential This is just reactionary. And because of that, I think it has the potential to be a dangerous message. I mean, yeah, it's yeah. I mean, I will say. And finally, just that the like decapitated image of Pete sometimes has like a cartoonish vibe where he's like sprinkling seeds over and growing roses that I then think he puts on Pete's own casket.

It's like very strange. But then there's other moments where the sculpture and the lighting, it looks pretty authentic. And that's, again, in the same way that I think there was like an uproar against Eminem when he was talking a lot about like making whole songs and very articulated audio designs of murdering his then wife. There comes a line where you're like, murdering his then wife there comes a line where you're like yeah there's just there's a point where you as a viewer like oh i don't wish death on this person and i don't want to be a part of anything that might lead to the death of an individual yeah at the same time like yeah artistic expression man it's it's a lot and i i shudder to like you know try to contain that in somebody but i don't know i mean what if baron trump sees this he's gonna be that's definitely what they said about kathy

he's gonna be so confused according to the talking points around the kathy griff one he's not he can't tell the difference between yeah yeah i haven't seen it the whole thing is claymation like there's no actual pictures some of it is i believe it's the game who is also on the song yeah his part is live action and then some parts like the actual parts with like the pete davidson head are all claymation what's interesting is to think and i have obviously haven't seen it yet what's interesting is to think and I obviously haven't seen it yet. What's interesting is to think about how many people were involved in the making of it and, you know, knew exactly what was was they were creating. And I wonder what their thoughts about it were. ago you might remember like he did a video with him in bed with a bunch of lookalikes of people he's had different types of interactions with so there's a taylor swift lookalike and there's a kim lookalike i'm pretty sure it's kim lookalike you're not actually kim and a bunch of other people and i like this his private and public life are not separate you know he's very he's become very

famous for just posting people's tweets which is like stop tweeting kanye he will just like Mm-hmm. There's such a visceral desire to consume that person's life and sort of live the secondhand existence next to them. Think about like an Andy Warhol type. Everybody wants to go be part of Andy Warhol's clan and like get painted by him or whatever. And somebody tried to assassinate him. Yeah. Yeah. Because it breeds obsession and if that line isn't blurred then there should be and i think probably made much worse by social media there's there's the line of

i'm an individual and you're an individual who do not actually know each other becomes so blurred particularly you know kanye courts his fans a lot in this like i would say like the third sort of act of his career as we know it so far he has like a lot of private events you can only listen to his album if you buy a specific device upon which you can listen to like it's very closed off and removed from everyone else and so it creates this sort of like cult-minded mentality and i don't think I'm being superfluous when I say that. I really think that if you look at the design of his clothes, all muted tones,

all one look like there isn't a lot of space for individuality, either you're a part of the Kanye train or you're not. And while that makes for extremely loyal fans and consistent revenue, I do think that there's an aspect of you that has to look at how you're influencing your fans and examining what they do and condemn when it's gone too far. And I don't think we'll ever see that out of Ye. And I also just don't think that he is fully

in his right mind now. And that's scary. Do you think he's endangering Pete Davidson and Kim? I do. I do. I do. I'm not saying that it's in the same way that I thought. It's hard, too, because I've gotten caught up in this before. I thought The Joker was an irresponsible movie when it first came out.

Now I just think it's kind of dumb and silly. But we were so heavy into the throes of Trump and that whole, like, Proud Boys era where it was just so intense and very scary you know I have friends in Los Angeles being assaulted at gas stations at the time because they looked Latinx like that's very intense but in the end of the day like it was a piece of art that didn't have much to say and nothing came out of it but did that take away from it i don't know if art is dangerous or if it's the interpretations and the actions people choose to come to you know there is there's kanye saying i want pete davidson dead which is you know a horrible thing to say and also smacks of um domestic abuse you know, a horrible thing to say. And also smacks of domestic abuse. You know, you can't, if somebody leaves you and goes out for someone else,

you can't attack the new person they're with. That's domestic violence. It's a terrible thing. It happens a lot and oftentimes escalates to violence against women. All of that is very scary, but it's not a direct threat. And therefore I'm not 100% comfortable saying, like, this is enacting violence. Because at this point in time, it's just an artistic expression. Right.

Yeah. I totally hear you. And the question of, like, with whom does the responsibility lie? Absolutely. And it's, like, so dangerous. I totally get what you're saying. Because it's so dangerous to want to contain art. But at the same... Yeah. I totally get what you're saying because it's so dangerous to want to contain art. But at the same, yeah, I totally get that.

But at the same time, like there's something more here that feels worrisome. Yeah, as a third party outside of all this, like I think at this point in time, my only goal is like I hope Kim is doing the right thing. She needs to protect herself and her children and as always i'm hoping there's somebody in connie's camp who really loves him who is like hey man like we can we can help get you like whatever you need you have all the access and money and funds like you don't have to be in this much pain as much pain as that song is conveying you don't have to live with that you could be doing other things with your time in your life it's precious it's minimal what would you like to live with that. You could be doing other things with your time and your life. It's precious.

It's minimal. What would you like to be doing? It can't just be chasing after Kim. That's got to be exhausting. So, yeah. All right. Should we close out with a couple things

that are making us happy? Oh, God, yeah. It's been a downer day. Sorry, listeners. So, Joelle, it's time to drag my ass. It's Batman time. Even though I'm also excited for it.

But no, you're excited. You feel good about the direction. Yeah, and I got a little time. So here we go. Okay, Batman. Some of you, if you followed me at all to other spaces, you understand, like, Batman is my earliest memory. The very earliest memory I can access is watching batman the animated series on the couch my dad and my brother and my mom i have been obsessed i too

allison was a dark goth child i really liked learning about like mummification and then somebody was like they had a whole bunch of instruments of torture back in the day and i was like i want to learn about all of them and Batman was like the first character who I was introduced to who experienced genuine angst right his parents were murdered and I really think that started my love of like Victorian literature and they're very obsessed with death I just like I loved that here was this guy who was channeling all of his hurt into trying to help but then like later as my love of Batman continued to evolve I was like oh he's really channeling all of his hurt into trying to help but then like later as my love of batman continues to evolve like oh he's really channeling his hurt into more hurt and then you get into the thought

process of like here's a billionaire with access to everything and he chooses to use his time punching people in dark alleys and then there's the idea of like oh vengeance and what does that mean and where does that become like a toxic trait and the more i think about batman and the way he's taken a tragedy and allowed it to consume himself i can't not love that character it's so dark it's so self-destructive and then he creates like a family around him i love my chosen family i have a have a very tight knit collection of people that I love who I spend holidays with and stuff. My actual blood family is great too. Love them.

But chosen family is so important that people choose to come and be with you and love you and see you through difficult times. And then on top of all of that, it's housed in Gotham. difficult times and then on top of all of that it's housed in gotham maybe the most epic it's like if chicago and new york became a hybrid city which is honestly where i would choose to live if it were a reality it's got blimps and l trains and it's dark but also very gothic in structure in the anime series it has a red sky it feels like it's on another planet and all of this essentially boils down into batman is a badass and he lives in the most badass city and now this movie comes along and they're like we're gonna add sex guys that is the best combination there's been a lot of talk marvel is a dominant cape and cowl

like space right now which is fair again as i always say disney has earned the praise they've done amazing no one's ever done this before that being said it's still disney and they got to be squeaky clean okay your cap is fine he got blue eyes he believes in truth justice in the american way kudos i don't want to see a guy who believes in blood on his fists okay i want to see villains that never pull their punches there's no altruism in any of these villains like we're not he's panos snaps because he was like well maybe i can make it better i'll just do a horrible thing and take that on my shoulders is that psychotic yes does he believe he has altruistic values he does okay fine i get it everyone's trying to do good again

what if we just came to a world where bad guys were just real bad people just awful to their core didn't i love living in the world of like i'm from chicago one of the most politically corrupt places in the world give us some political corruption beyond just oh like we're with hydra okay we get it nazis terrible i don't see the guy who's like yeah i did close down that orphanage so i could build a parking lot what of it they're on the street too bad kids should have kept your parents like ah i just it's it feels more fantastic at this point than aliens right it's it's both steeped in realism and so the extreme of what you can never no one is putting on a latex bat suit and going out to kick ass because it doesn't make sense.

But what if someone did? You would want to see how that played out. First of all, speak for yourself on no one going out and fighting crime in a latex bat suit. I forgot that you had the secret costume in your basement ready to go. That's my bad, Jack. We've seen that and the pirate costume

live right next to each other. But yeah, that and then casting Zoe. We have a black cat woman again. The world is right. Thank you. And they're going to fuck and it's going to be great. We need sex in superhero movies. Give it to us.

I just, I can't tell you. And I haven't been this buzzed. I was really excited for Spider-Man. Spider-Man. Spider-Man is, who doesn't love Peter Parker? So charming. Love that kid. But Batman's my guy.

And he ain't been done right in a long time. I'm sorry I'm not a Ben Affleck Batman stan. I get it. You guys love him. I'm happy that you have him. But it wasn't doing anything for me. I think Robert Pattinson could be my Batman. I'm looking forward to having him.

Yeah, just like real goth. Like like go real real hard goth on it you so you didn't like the sex scene from the spider-man with like all four spider-man and uh you know when it got to the dp scene i was like this is a little much uh i want disney to go back to the squeaky clean. Yeah. It used to be. I think this is going to work on a different level. Plus, it's got, oh my gosh, what can I think of his name? Andy Serkis in it. And whenever that guy shows up, amazing things happen. Yeah.

Has not been in a bad series yet. His selection choice is superior in Hollywood. I have nothing but faith. Allison, speaking of pee, your thing that you're excited about is Pam in Hollywood. I have nothing but faith. Allison, speaking of pee, your thing that you're excited about is Pam and Tommy. Oh, yes. I have been very into Pam and Tommy. I didn't watch this week's episode yet, but I watched the first episode and I was like, I'm so into this. And then I watched the second episode and I thought, I think I'm over this. And then every subsequent episode I've been, I'm like, no, I'm not. I can't, I cannot watch this fast enough. It's a real guilty pleasure. I, I, I have no attention span

these days except for this show. I think it might only be half an hour. It goes by very quickly. So it is a guilty pleasure in that I saw the headline of an article. I did not read the whole article. But I think the gist I'm getting is that because Pam, the real one, did not consent, did not give her a... Oh, wait, it's an hour, apparently. What show was I watching? Anyway, who cares? There's some show that I was like, I can't believe this is only half an hour. I'm getting 31 to 50 something.

Oh, it varies. It's a different length I was like, I can't believe this is on. I'm getting 31 to 50 something. Like each episode is a different length. 32 to 51 minutes is the running time. That's so odd. How poor dreaming. Why not? That is weird. Yeah. It's not like every chapter in a novel has to be the same length, you know?

I mean, just the magic trick that is transforming Lily James and Sebastian Stan into Pamela and Tommy is amazing because they do look like it's like spitting images. No more prosthetics. Yes. Yeah. It needed to be done. It's amazing. And I didn't know whatever I thought I knew about that story. I didn't know that many of the details.

Seth Rogen is great. And but anyway, the article so so the real Pamela Anderson did not consent to her life story being told. So I think that I think there's I feel like I read something about like, essentially, it's kind of re traumatizing her for this to be told. So really, we shouldn't be watching it. So I feel guilty about the fact that I'm watching it. like i said i only read the headline i didn't read the whole article so maybe it didn't even say that but i have mixed feelings about the fact that i'm enjoying it but i'm enjoying it nonetheless yeah so i recommend it that's kind of the gist some people the and i'm paraphrasing a quote right now but essentially that she was like shocked and a little disturbed that this whole thing was going to be rehashed yeah um i do sort of wish they had sent her the screeners before

they aired it because i think she might have been comforted by the fact that apparently at least it seems to a lot of reviewers that they're trying to make her out to be this like feminist icon and it's very sympathetic to her yeah it is very sympathetic to her she comes off well okay so producer justin is saying and i thought i saw something to this effect yesterday that now she's gonna tell the real story in a netflix documentary and i do enjoy the way netflix and hulu are like yeah they they are real uh they they really hate each other it seems uh no they love each other listen that's bolstering because they don't have a lead in the show that's like a network does yeah and so now i have to watch bullfire documentaries and if i

watch one i'm good how wrong did hulu get their pamela anderson story and in the that's true they do feed off each other. It's clarified or is this just pandering? Right. Yeah, they feed each other. But isn't the story that, like, somebody was doing, like, deck work for them or, like, construction work at their house?

Like, Tommy, like, stiffed them. And so as payback, he stole a safe? Yes. Yeah. So the Seth Rogen character, who's actually had been a porn star as well, he was doing construction work at their house. And then Tommy Lee like kept wanting to change what was being done and all of it. He hadn't paid for any of it, but he kept saying like, you know, I'm good for it. You know, I'm good for it. And then he wanted to change another thing and it was going to be like another bunch of money. And so the construction workers guys were having to front it with their own money. And they were like, look, we can do it,

but we're going to need the cash up front. And he refused. So then he like fired them, claiming they'd done shoddy work, which supposedly they had not done shoddy work. So then the Seth Rogen character came to, he realized he left his tools there and he came to pick up his tools. And Tommy was like, you're not taking your tools. Like I fired you. And then he left his tools there and he came to pick up his tools and tommy was like you're not taking your tools like i fired you and then he wanted his tools and then tommy pulled a gun on

him so he like in the i don't know if it's true but in the show he pissed he pissed himself was like completely emasculated left it was very sad uh he had a flashback to a sad thing from his childhood as well left and then decided he wanted revenge so he came back and stole a safe did not know what was going to be in the safe right but in the safe was a whole bunch of stuff including this tape that hiring a porn star to do construction on your house did not know he had been a porn star in the past okay i got it yeah interesting it does just seem like the setup of a porn. Like,

it's like, I forgot my tools. Is anyone home? I just forgot my tools. Yeah. And in the series, the way he remembers that he forgot his tools is he's at home

having a little wanking session watching porn. And in the porn he's watching, he sees a toolbox. And then he's like, he sees a toolbox. And then he's like, oh, oh.

All right. Well, I will talk about the thing that's making me happy on the trending episode, which actually dropped yesterday. So if you guys want to hear what what's making me happy, you can travel back in time and listen to that. But Allison, such a pleasure having you on TDZ. Where can people find you and follow you? Oh, please follow me on social media at Allison Rosen on Twitter and Instagram, A-L-I-S-O-N-R-O-S-E-N. And please listen to my podcast. Allison Rosen is your new best friend. I have Priyanka Wally, who is a doctor and a comedian on Monday's episode. She co-hosts Hypochondriac with Sean Hayes. And then I have the Doughboys, Nick and Mitch on the Thursday show. And then my lighthearted.

If you like this show and you want more news, although mine's more lighthearted, on Saturdays, Upworthy Weekly, and then Childish is on Wednesdays. Go check those out as well. Yeah, yeah. And is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying? Yes. Also a guilty pleasure. I just discovered Spencer Pratt from the Hills is on TikTok and is apparently, according to the comments, his NDA has expired. So he's like angry and unhinged in the best way so he is going

back and showing clips of the original hills and the current hills and pointing out all the the scenes that were scripted and the producers set up and like he'll show a phone conversation between him and Audrina and he's like this was this never happened in real life I was on the phone with Heidi the producers had were talking to Audrina they fed her the lines they made it look like we were talking there's an old scene where Heidi tells Spencer she took a pregnancy test and he's like think how fucked up that is that was you know 40 year old producers telling a 20 year old girl to pretend to pretend that she was having trouble with birth control that never happened like he's basically

just laying it all out and i cannot get enough of it that's on tiktok spencer pratt wow yeah amazing so good joelle truly a pleasure having you back guesting where can people find you and follow you and what's a tweet you've been enjoying? I'm Joelle Monique. You can find me all over the internet at Joelle Monique. That's J-O-E-L-L-E-M-O-N-I-Q-U-E at Solomon, Missouri posted photographs of a billboard from an insurance agency that say, show your mind, not your behind. It's images of a man sagging his pants and a woman with an a-plus posterior and some white booty shorts juxtaposed with those same people in graduation robes and the tweet says i'm gonna do both because i can do all things through christ who strengthens me and god bless get it you'll have an education and show your ass ain't no problems live your life

there you go insurance company what are you doing get out of here you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien some tweets i've been enjoying amber treadway tweeted where did scars accent come from did he study abroad at pilavi ganalan tweeted I had a friend who put a frozen burrito in the microwave and when it didn't heat up she threw the burrito away and tried heating up a different one and that's just such a good encapsulation of like my brain when I'm tired like and I just can't make decisions and I'm like on a weird autopilot that doesn't work so I appreciated that. Yeah. You can find us on Twitter at daily zeitgeist. We're at the daily zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook

fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes on our footnotes to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you should go check out. Justin, super producer, Justin, uh, what song do we think you should go check out? Justin, super producer Justin, what song do we think people should go check out? This is a very interesting track by a, I believe he's a UK artist. This song is called Underwaterfall, one word, by Bear Cubs.

Very interesting inspiration here. It sounds like a Future Garage, lo-fi, house-insp house inspired track but that doesn't describe it so well because it sounds like it's going to be one of the most fire rap beats you've ever heard and then he just goes into this droning sing-songy voice that's very hypnotizing and i i love it and when the uh the chorus comes, the song just expands to this huge soundscape that you can just get lost in. And then he goes right back to the simple keys

that you'll hear in the beginning. It sounds like a mix between a light sound pad and a steel drum. So you can check this out in the footnotes. That's Bear Cubs Under Waterfall. Awesome. All right. Well, go check that out.

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