The Daily Zeitgeist - They'll Tell the Story of Tozeit 7/14: Bari Weiss, LA Times, Blindings, The Donner Party

Episode Date: July 14, 2020

On this edition of They'll Tell the Story of Tozeit Jack and Miles discuss Bari Weiss leaving the New York Times, the LA Times is suggesting we find a new National Anthem, Police partially blinded 8 people so far in protests, and Rush Limbaugh suggests America "adapt" like the Donner Party did (?!?). Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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it's out of this world. Hello, the internet, and welcome to this episode of They'll Tell the Story of T'Zight. A little Hamilton reference, which I think I nailed. I think I nailed it. I'm Jack, that's Miles. Oh, yeah. Hi. O's Miles. Oh, yeah. Hi. O'Brien and Gray, respectively. O'Brien. Let's tell the people what's trending, shall we? We've been talking about one Bari Weiss all day.

Is that how we're pronouncing her? Yeah. Barry Bari, the opinion writer whose opinion I've never respected. No, her opinions stink. I mean, it's a lot of weird both sides thing that a lot of her opinion pieces are. And she has like a lot of bad faith arguments on like, you know, apartheid states and Zionism and things like that. of bad faith arguments on like you know apartheid states and dionism and things like that and i uh this resignation uh according to her letter is sort of about like i mean it's just the market of free ideas is completely gone in that place and democracy has died in that editorial realm

if it's not progressive like it's not worth talking it's like well certainly regressive is not good either because right the society we society it's all about improving things not arguing on behalf of archaic ideologies but go off yeah she she in her resignation letter said they have called me a Nazi and a

racist I have learned to brush off comments about how I'm quote writing about the Jews again so she's claiming that the people who call her a Nazi and a racist for being racist in her writing and also

being very you know militantly Zionist and pro you know apartheid state are also anti-semitic in there like it's just like such a bad faith argument right or like she's taking two quotes from clearly two separate sides and being like i mean these are criticisms of me uh and therefore uh fuck progressives and it's all part of cancel culture yeah i mean it's what's

weird for someone who like works with a reporter like nicole hannah jones you know who won like a pulitzer uh for her 1619 work and the shit that she would get from people and not you know not not taking her back on anything like that uh when there's like real people who are facing this kind of stuff and still continuing to act like you are in this like oppressive environment. You know, I guess, I mean, by definition, if you are spitting like weird conservative bullshit that is, you know, not inclusive and exclusionary and xenophobic and any other thing. Yeah, maybe that does feel hostile when you're room full of people who don't agree with that because it's objectively, it's not a winning hand. Yeah. It's also just morally wrong and tolerating it is morally wrong. It's not the right thing to do uh and she has been complaining that there's a civil war between 40 something white liberals and the younger uh wokes as she calls

them yeah which is basically a derogatory term for people who believe in progressive values one of the things she even got in a spat with uh nicole hannah jones over like this article about how you know there's like this about like there was this piece that vanity fair was describing jordan peterson as like a gateway drug to like the alt-right and going on and blah blah blah and she and brett stevens uh was also like in this you know conservative uh you know visionary brett stevens was also in this conservative visionary. Bret Stephens was also there in this article. But Bari Weiss, she quote tweeted this a few years ago. It was like, the gateway drug to those flirting with the alt-right are actually pieces like this.

That was mentioning that this is a tightrope that they're doing. And then Nicole Hannah-Jones was like, quote tweeted her. I remember saying like, this is what she said. According to the New York Times style, alt-right is to be described as a racist far-right fringe group. So you're saying pieces like this are the gateway to white people becoming white supremacists? That's your hot take? And she's like, hi there. What I'm saying is that failing to draw distinctions between people like Sam Harris and people like Richard Spencer strips the designation alt alt right of its power and meaning that has two main effects as i see it first and then it's just basically when people start caping like for the word play or a brown alt right that's when you're like okay

my antenna's gone up yeah my antenna's gone up yeah and gia tolentino in Trick Mirror writes about cancel culture as she deals with it. Gia Tolentino, which is like, she's an online writer. She has been criticized and shouted down for things that she's written before. And rather than just being defensive and ignoring the perspectives of the people who criticize her. She just listens to them and has a conversation and eventually, you know, figures out or adjusts her stance and has learned every time that something like that has happened and is actually a very, a great writer and a smart person. And Bari Weiss, it seems like her response is to just, you know, get defensive

and, you know, equivocate and fight anybody who wants to criticize her. And her career long, like the one thing that you can count on is that she is going to complain about people criticizing her, uh, which seems to be a, a strong,

uh, a strong tendency on the right. Uh, so, uh, I, I feel like I've been negligent and not opening some of our shows with fuck barry weiss uh but you know she kept her head down although on may 25th i remember when like george floyd

was killed there she had like a piece i was like joe rogan is the new mainstream media and she was like in like she was like in the studio uh and in a way i'm like yeah he definitely has a large uh you know uh audience that definitely listened to him but like the whole piece is like oh come on barry yeah uh the la times is trending uh they came out and said it's time to find a new national anthem canceled the uh star spangled banner oh yeah well i'm gonna add the best tweet you know what i'm about to cancel my subscription to the la times then that's what's gonna happen with I'm going to add the best tweet. You know, I'm about to cancel my subscription to the LA Times then. That's what's going to happen with me.

I'm going to stop reading the news. Do you even know who Francis Scott Key was? Did you know how wealthy his family was from slavery? Do you know how tight he was with Andrew Jackson? Do you know? Do you really? Okay. That guy was cool. And maybe the lyrics, yeah yeah we had to change a couple things around

but it's still i mean i don't know what i i'm trying to think of places other sporting events like only in the olympics do is my does do i have like a thing where i'm like okay i think there's a national anthem there for like international tournaments where like you're representing your country against another nation in competition yeah i'll see that like a rugby or for purposes of identification yeah but the in the like you know you don't go to japanese baseball game and they don't have like kimigayo like playing like over the loudspeaker before you start the game off or anything like that it's a very uh yeah i don't know yeah i think the only my only like my first thing is like oh can you do that but i'm almost but that's only because i'm like i've been 35 years on this planet just knowing that that's just like my pavlovian response like okay i'm at sport event because

i've heard like that was uh that song sucks um it's like sucks... That song sucks. That song sucks, dude. That song sucks, bro. What should we replace it with, though? What's a good song that gets at what's great about this here country? I'm taking submissions on Twitter. It should be something that's like been covered a lot i guess

right yeah i mean it's almost like do we have to sing you know i guess do we just can we just do international players anthem yeah that that would be good that will kind of get you you know even though that one goes for a little bit of time you know it's a bit of a time investment uh i'll sit i'll stick around for that just because when it gets going then you're like hey you got your you have your energy up and then it's a little sentimental and then you're like wait why were we here again oh that's right uh play ball here in a stadium full of nascar fans sing along to uh ug that would be great and people be hey, take your damn hat off, man. Fuck you, international player.

Anyways. Did you hear that? He CC'd every girl that he'd CC round town. God damn it. There are so many beautifully perfect, corny lines in Andre's verse on that. Oh, yeah. The spaceships don't come across the rearview mirrors. Yes.

Great. Yeah. Blindings. Police partially blinded eight people in a single day at George Floyd protests. This is... That behavior hasn't been explained hasn't been uh really addressed uh still continuing but the those videos that we've seen of police just straight up uh shooting at people uh shooting at uh local newscasters who are just standing there uh with with like full intent like you can see

them just like i'm going to aim at your head. Yeah, that hasn't been explained away. The police just feel like they, you know, the fact that we even get to question them is- That's a crime, actually. Yeah, that's a crime and not our right. And they just turn into petulant little babies. When you look at those, like any kind of police interaction that goes south, it's always when this typically weak-willed man

has been, like his authority has been denied by someone. And that's when it'll go, like, what dude? I'm a cop. It's really just sort of like, what dude? I'm a kid nobody listened to for their entire life. Then I got into this gig where if you fuck, oh yeah yeah fucking say you're not gonna listen to me because i can turn it up real quick and i have that on my side and

like that's the energy of a lot of these people you see when especially when people know their rights it's like even doubly infuriating to like some of these officers like oh okay it's your lord it's uh you know we gotta we have to really think about how we deal with crime and define crime i feel like i say this all the time is but there's so many quote-unquote crimes being committed which is really just our failure to take care of our our neighbors and our community uh and it's because people are desperate because there's this evil thing going around called crime except we're leaving people behind and like that's how some some people have to survive in ways that we've deemed illegal um yeah

oh man i got such a visceral like flashback to just like those bullying ass kids who i grew up with when you're doing that like what you're? You're not going to listen to me? I have to look those people. I moved around a lot, so I lost track of most of the kids I grew up with. But I'm going to look them up, see how many of them became cops. Wouldn't you know it? They're all cops. They're all cops.

By the way, speaking of bad cops, have you seen the show Unbelievable on Netflix? Unbelievable. The serial rapist. But it's got some really good performances. One of the girls from Booksmart is in it and is great. I still need to see that. Booksmart's really funny. It's because I don't want it to unseat cock blockers in my mind for teen comedy movies that I cherish. And I still need to see cock blockers.

So that's going to be our homework. Promise you'll see cock blockers and I'll see Booksmart. All right, deal. It's so funny. Her Majesty, she loves the movie too, that there's this one friend of ours who, as a bit, always sends her the DVD of blockers. She loves it so much. We got three fucking DVDvds in this house i think of that shit that's funny um and then finally the donner party is trending uh

have you seen this story about the donner party whoo yeah uh from history yeah raving the uh Braving the trail going westward? Yeah, so Rush Limbaugh, one of our honorary fuckers from the beginning of every day's show, just broke out the metaphor that America needs to start to adapt, just like the Donner Party adapted and started eating people. Wait, was he aware enough to be able to talk? Like, did he mention that, that we need to eat each other? Or that was just a nuance he completely missed because that's what most people think of what happened with the Donner party.

Yeah, no, I think he was saying like, hey, times are tough. We got to, you know, we got to start making some tough decisions. Let me read the direct quote it looks like the coronavirus is being weaponized as yet another element to bring down donald trump now i want to tell you the truth about the coronavirus the coronavirus is a comical okay now that was earlier and then he said americans should adapt to coronavirus like pioneers who had to turn to cannibalism so he didn't even mention don or party i guess he just said that we need to adapt like pioneers who turn to cannibalism

uh which as i mean it's a actually a really good metaphor uh as former guests i think she's been on zeitgeist maggie may, really funny, talented performer. But she pointed out Rush Limbaugh seems to not know that the only reason the Donner Party happened was because they followed a liar who made terrible decisions and wasted key time windows that would have prevented the entire disaster. And also, by the end, it was mostly kids eating old people,

which is all true and uh hell yeah but let's do what the donner party did seriously all right that those are four of the things that's trending today all right um that's gonna do it for this tuesday we hope you guys are well uh stay safe stay inside wash your hands be kind to each other, be kind to yourselves don't do nothing about white supremacy we'll be back tomorrow with a whole ass episode of the podcast

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