The Daily Zeitgeist - Tiger King Thoughts, Testing IS Best Thing? 3.30.20

Episode Date: March 30, 2020

In episode 597, Jack, Miles, and Jamie are joined by new quar-bae and The Women's War host Robert Evans to discuss Stanford professors views on the coronavirus, the NYU Tisch dean sending out a video of herself dancing, Trump breaking up with Dr. Fauci, internet slowing down, the NextDoor app, Bob Dylan's new hot track, Tiger King, and more!FOOTNOTES: Adam White and I disagree, and how. Will the curve bend back and when. Sooner than later say I, and the some movement to roll back the blockade is necessary. Firm and individual responses will work better. Coronavirus Overreaction Two Stanford Professors of Medicine say COVID is no worse than the flu The next frontier in coronavirus testing: Identifying the full scope of the pandemic, not just individual infections NYU Tisch Students Demand Tuition Back, Dean Responds With Dance Video As Trump signals readiness to break with experts, his online base assails Fauci Surging Traffic Is Slowing Down Our Internet Suddenly Nextdoor is filled with kind neighbors. But also new kinds of shaming. Bob Dylan Releases 17-Minute Song About JFK Assassination WATCH: Everything in Its Right Place - Brad Mehldau Trio Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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it's monday is that right yeah monday march 30th 2020 my name is jack o'brien aka ooh switch get one and play get one and play switch get let's go and play i was courtesy of christian and i'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host mr miles i won't deny it i'm a straight virus you don't want to fuck with me get the pussy at cd CDC Fuck around and get quarantined Hey, ladies and gentlemen Okay, thank you to Crispy Yamaguchi, man Crispy Meme Donut, Crispy whatever we're calling y'all today

For that Tupac-inspired AK And we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat By Lil' Lam herself, Jamie Loftus! Before I start my AKA, I would just like to say now more than ever, amid the coronavirus panic, I would like to pronounce myself the most cursed guest in Daily Zeitgeist history. And I would just like to say, I mean, the knock-on effects of you coming on the show have been felt far and wide. I mean, now more than ever, we need more knock-on effects. As cursed as they may be.

Absolutely. As cursed as they may be. Are we trolling people who gave us negative feedback? What? Negative feedback for me? For me? Right. feedback for me for me right on the daily side we quarantine while we record wash our hands thoroughly till they get kind of sore

Dinosaur Petit bro without a role Petit B has become white gold Until the hoarder share I still Need a face mask Stay inside inside please don't go inside quarantine and social distancing wash your freaking hair don't go near your ground ground. Love this gray tag teaming AK. Wow.

Oh my god. Now that was impressive, but are you ready for my 17 minute solo about JFK? JFK assassination. We're thrilled to be joined in our fourth seat. Yeah, that's right right fourth seat motherfuckers

it's robert evans jack i enjoy your commitment to still calling it a seat even though we are all thousands of miles apart and new flung across the globe yes yeah uh for he is the fourth meal of guests robert evans what's going on man the taco bell yes uh you know like like no one else in america i am sitting at home and drinking probably more than i ought to yeah attaboy uh quick does okay what's the what's the feeling on if you finish a box of franzia yourself, but it takes two weeks. It's okay, right? Yeah.

Two weeks. I mean, it's not okay that it took that long. A box of Franzia, you really want to get that done in the first night. Otherwise, it's going to go bad. Yeah. That's true. It's a very... Okay.

I was just checking. I was... Jettison all space bags within 24 hours of opening. That's fair. Yeah. Okay. That's basic science. I just drank some orange juice that had gone bad, so I got that going on.

Well, this is the R.I.P. Jack episode. We're all... Now I'm going to vomit. Give him a good send off. All right, Robert, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a few of the things we're talking about. We're going to talk about the Dean of Tisch with a very...

I don't know if this is normal for Tisch, if this is how people who go to and work at Tisch communicate, but she did an interpretive dance video to Losing My Religion, which was... Instead of refunding her which was truly cursed. We're going to talk about the idea that the deadliness of COVID-19 may be overstated, but that we don't know until we start doing antibody testing. We're going to talk about how the right is getting mad at uh fauci or is that how he says his name fauci fauci the internet is slowing down we were right so we're going to talk about that we're going to talk about how the next door app is getting nicer hand sanitizer made in prison

the major league baseball uniform manufacturers uh pivoting to making masks and gowns baseball uniform manufacturers pivoting to making masks and gowns. Bob Dylan's 17-minute song on the JFK assassination. And we will close out with our thoughts on Tiger King. Robert, have you watched Tiger King? No, I don't believe in tigers or kings. Okay. Fair, fair.

Fair. What is something from your search history, sir, that is revealing about who you are? Can you give horses COVID-19? And I wasn't looking for a medical guide. I was looking for more of a practical guide on how to give horses COVID-19. How to do it, yeah. You're very anti-horse.

I am, and while we're... This is the time to strike. I feel like if we're going to win what I call the long war, then now is the moment. Now is the time to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat and finally overwhelm the horses when they think they've won. Yeah.

Just rest ourselves free from under the mighty hoof of our equine oppressors. Yeah. Do not spread the COVID-19 unless it is to a horse. Is the long war a comment on face length? Is that like a backhanded insult? No, but it should have been.

Yeah. That's good. That's some real good horse shade, Jack. Yeah. Horse shade is kind of my specialty. Yes, it is. I would think that this would actually be a time when the horses might get the upper hand because yep we're not out i know that's why we have to be taking back the power that's the focus of wild horses galloping down

my street uh on a regular basis listen to the documentary album Heavy Horses. It will let you know the danger we face. I was listening to a podcast recently that had to do with horse crimes. I don't know. It gave me empathy for horses that I wasn't expecting to have.

I regret it. See, I would argue that the life of any horse is a crime, but I guess that's open to interpretation. Robert's the only person who's at the Triple Crown cheering when he hears a gunshot ring out after a horse falls down. Yeah, I bring my own bullets just as like an offering, you know? Yeah, yeah. Jamie, it was a podcast about crimes against horses crimes against horses not

crimes that horses have committed i believe that's a different podcast yeah that is that is the show that i keep trying to launch yeah a horse bank heist none of it crimes against horse manatee this was an episode of how has anyone ever listened to swindled it was an episode of that i don't listen to other podcasts i think this is the only podcast you're right you're right you know what you're right the only one i i mean yet again twice in one morning i've been fucking canceled yet again the only podcast i need is the daily zeitgeist and re-listening to bob dylan's 17 minute song about the jfk assassination that. That's it for my content

needs. I can't wait. The comedian John Daly was like, the new Bob Dylan song is a podcast. It really is. John Daly's a best. Robert, what is something you think is underrated? I'm going to

throw some shade on myself for this one. I have realized throughout this quarantine how underrated movie theaters are. And I am not normally a movie theater guy. I go maybe once a year. I went more when I lived with our friend David Bell because he's super fun to go to the movies with. But I just don't care normally. I've gone a year or more at a time without going into a movie theater. And now all I can think about

is going to a movie theater and how nice it would be. So I have accepted that I have been unfairly maligning theaters for years now as a result of this quarantine. I miss my Stubbs membership. Yeah, oh my gosh. Did they halt that?

Yeah, they were good about it. Usually they're assholes, but they they just froze everybody's membership and now i have like regrets of i wonder if anyone else has been feeling like this of like things that i could have done and then i'm like i don't know if i should do it and then i didn't and then everything closed i'm like fuck i should have just gone and seen emma when i had a chance like shit like yeah is there anything else like i'm severely missing uh hoops right now just it being the time that we would normally be having march madness and the nba playoffs

or the nba season like i am in a severe basketball withdrawal is there anything else you guys are find yourself missing thing you more than you expected I live near a bus stop and the buses are still going, but they're empty. And I am missing buses having people in them, as weird as that sounds, because there's just something so unwholesome about empty buses passing each other at like three in the afternoon. It's just like, oh, that's not a great sign. It's just like, oh, that's not a great sign. It's so funny because there was a journalist who lived in China and was living in this place that had been fully quarantined, was writing about how they lived overlooking the subway,

and it was empty. And I was like, man, that's so dystopian, like two weeks ago. And now that's our reality. Yeah,'s so dystopian, like two weeks ago. And now that's like, that's our reality. Yeah, it is dystopian. Yeah. What is something you think is overrated? Man, you know, I'm going to have to say fucking. Oh, yeah.

Sorry. Juice bars. Now that we don't have the opportunity to go out and get nice, fresh, fancy $11 squeeze juice. I've just been smashing oranges with the butt of a rifle. And it turns out that's as good a way to get your vitamin C fix, your adaptogens, all of the things you can get from a moon juice or another high-end fruit juice. You can just get by smashing fruit with the butt of a rifle on your kitchen table. So

try it out at home, folks. It really works. Yeah, I'm glad you've actually found a way to adapt because we all know you loved your overpriced juices. I'm a big juice guy. That was you pre-quar. You were like, oh, here comes Robert Juice Evans. It was annoying, yeah.

Robert had me picking up Moon Juice orders and I had to mail them to him. It was like... They're like, you know they're going to spill in the box. He I had to mail them to him. It was like... They're like, you know they're going to spill in the box. He's like, mail them. And then he would have me communicate messages to his favorite employees

at Moon Juice too. He'd be like, hi, I'm here to pick up an order for Robert Evans. He wants to say hi to Luna. It was horrible. Well, the thing is, I never wanted any of them to meet me in person because I felt like that might spoil the purity of the juice slash juice buyer transaction.

Right, right. But there's no greater purity than just hitting an orange with the butt of a rifle. And I found that thanks to the quarantine. And where does the juice go when you just put a piece of fruit on your kitchen table? It goes all over the place. When you just lick it off the table or something?

Yeah. Keeps your table clean. Keeps your tongue clean. You get a lot of vitamin C. Is that how you normally drink juice? You just pour it on your table and lap it up? Normally, I just pour it out of the sodden envelopes that Jamie sends me. This is not

as big a change as it might seem. He's just wringing cardboard over his own mouth. Oh, God. Which I understand is not safe anymore now that we're in quarantine. You should not. Yeah. And finally, Robert, what is a myth?

What is this virus going to take from us? I know. What is a myth? What's something people think is true, you know, to be false? That the solution to all of the horrible problems we're having as a result of this virus

is something that will be settled in the halls of Congress. Like at the end of the day, if we're going to get anything that like resembles justice, it's going to be as something that starts from the bottom up, like this rent strike stuff that's going on right now um i think there's more of an opportunity in that to secure

some sort of long-term like lasting remedy to the the shit that's got millions of people wondering if they're going to be out on the street in two or three weeks than anything that like a republican or a democratic congress is actually going to vote on. I just launched a podcast this week, The Women's War. What? Yes, yes. This is my very subtle plug. It's a great podcast.

It's a hit. People are loving this thing, Robert. Yeah, we're going to kick the shit out of, I don't know who's a person. Other podcasts. Swindled. Have you heard about this one?

Yeah, we're going to fuck up Lou Dobbs. We're going to fuck Lou Dobbs right up. Who are you threatening online, Robert? Krista Tippett? Yeah, I mean, I threatened Krista Tippett online every day of my life. Yeah, I'd like to I'd like to extend that threat to Doy parton's america yeah absolutely fuck all of them um this but we're taking them all yeah can you explain uh where the women's war came from what it's about well yeah it does kind of tie into what i was saying because there's this the women's war is about this specific little chunk of um of syria

in the northeast that back in 2012 like the government starts fighting the civil war and they just kind of leave like they all pack up and get the fuck out of there uh in short and so all these people are like what do we do now uh and they they like i think like the the the term you usually hear for like when order collapses, like it's going to be anarchy. And it was, to some extent, anarchy in northeast Syria. But that wound up being not a terrible thing because what people did was organize into local councils and like this like interlocking network of communes and militia groups. And they built a world that was a lot better than the one they'd had before the government left.

You know, one without, like, secret police arresting people, one with, like, a lot less of a disparity between rich and poor, and one that was able to, like, actually defend people from ISIS. And it was a really neat to go see it in person. And it was based off of, like, the philosophies

of this american anarchist from like fucking vermont um that these these syrians just like came across this guy's books and were like i guess we'll try that now and then like four million people wound up living that way um so it's more progressive than anything that america has ever come close to approximating in anywhere yeah what was really interesting to me was that um they uh there was this like conscious understanding that um because i talked to a lot of women who were like doing things like running women's economic development clinics and stuff where they were like helping like these women who'd grown up in like these rural villages who like in a lot of cases weren't even weren't literate um help them like learn how to start and like run businesses and get jobs but the focus was on they were like really conscious of we don't

just want to like make women equally good at making money um like that's not our goal here our goal here is to kind of fundamentally change the relationship between people and the state. And the way that we've decided to do that is to start with trying to eliminate the disparities between men and women in our culture. Because what we need to have in order to not go back into this authoritarian nightmare that we came from is like equality between people. And the way to actually make that happen is to uh basically like the ideology this place is based on is that um the the core root of authoritarianism of fascism of like all of this bullshit that that syrians have been dealing with for a long time but people all over the world have

been dealing with with forever is um the domination and oppression of women by men and so if you're going to if you're going to fix society yeah yeah and so like if you're gonna fix society it's you it's not enough to just like okay we need to make sure women get get paid equally it's we need to like completely revamp the way people um interact with each other in society and part of it was like trying to make society less transactional so that like there's you don't have one of the cool things about their system is that people don't get to make decisions for groups of people that that that aren't close to them. Right. Like everything, all government starts at the neighborhood level. So the only people making calls on like what actually happens on the streets where you live are the people that you live in and around.

It's this direct democracy thing. It's neat. It's really cool. Let's do that, in other words. Let's do that once this whole thing is a shambles. So the guy, Murray Bookchin, who's that anarchist who came up with the system they use over there he's again an american and he made the he came up with the system by looking at like

how fucked the american political system was and looking at the way states and municipalities already kind of work here and was like well what system could we build that might work for americans that that is different from everybody getting really angry at each other once every four years, and then trying to fuck over the people who live as far away from them as possible because they're pissed whenever they wind up winning an election. Right. Could we do better than that?

I don't know. Maybe we can. No way. That's the best. Well, we all remain negative. Yeah. who knows? All right.

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day for the past couple days we'll link off to this forum where they just stole the whole article and repasted it but the premise is actually pretty interesting and like their thesis is definitely worth investigating and seems to overlap with some of the libertarian bullshit so let me just say that the thesis which is that more people have had covet 19 than we think and that means that it's more communicable and more common than we realize right now, but it's actually less deadly because 2% to 4% of the people who test positive are dying. But if 3% to 10% times that number of people have had it or will have had it and go untested,

it's actually far less deadly than people realize, way easier to catch and pass on. But a lot of libertarians are using that as a way to argue that we shouldn't be doing social distancing, and that's actually completely wrong. That sounds like a dangerous precedent to set. Yeah, exactly. I agree. The science is important and the study should be carried out, actually yeah completely wrong like a dangerous precedent to set yeah exactly i agree like the science is important and the study should be carried out but this is like one of the very

first things i ever heard about covet 19 was like people talking about like oh there's probably been like 10 times as many people in china and you know the places it's spread to so far that have it and it's just really mild and that's kind of part of why i was like okay maybe this won't be all that big a deal but right the thing i really wasn't thinking about yeah like it the the different the danger obviously isn't how many people die it's how many people get it and how many of those need medical care and how few fucking doctors and nurses exist in the world that's right like that's the problem yeah the it's spreading through communities really fast it's overwhelming medical systems and people are can't get medical care and when you have pneumonia and can't get medical care you basically drowning your own lungs which is not not a great way to go. And I just wanted to bring it up.

And this is from Jack, who's been pro-drowning a lot. Yeah, I am typically pro-drowning, but not in your own lungs. That's an important distinction that I do want to make. No, but I did want to bring this up because I don't want it, like if this turns out to be the case, the more people have had it than we think. I don't want it to be like, well, the conservatives were right and the media, it was like a mass media panic, because that's kind of how I'm seeing it covered in some places, or at least

how I see people responding to it, is that if it's more widespread and less deadly than people think, then therefore people were right to say we shouldn't be worrying about it. And the point that it's actually just a matter of it's spreading so fast that it's overwhelming healthcare systems makes it still just as dangerous and makes social distancing still just as important. Yeah.

A lot of people, I think, I mean, some people will look very narrowly and hear, oh, they're saying it's just as bad as the flu. But again, we don't test enough people. We don't know what the percentage of people are who develop antibodies to it. And we don't know. There's so much we just don't know. And we've yet to actually fully know about the virus itself. So that's what adds to the danger of it is like, well, we know what it is, but we still don't have quite the specific treatments to like treat it directly. And, and there's also a lot of like reporting too, that there's a, there's also trouble with being able to accurately report COVID-19 deaths too, which is another story that you see coming out of like places like Michigan or New York or

California where or if they don't have the capacity to test and someone dies from some type of respiratory condition that they suspect is COVID, they can't even do a postmortem test to then say that was actually what it is. So there's even we just have such a problem with testing like we can't we don't even know what solid ground is yet. And there's going to be a massive cover-up action against the actual death toll.

It's not going to be like hiding the bodies or whatever. It's going to be making very certain that when somebody gets into a car accident and there is not the bandwidth for enough EMTs to arrive on scene soon enough or there's not the open space in the hospital to care for that person quickly and they die, that that does not go down as a death

that's in any way related to this pandemic. I've been interviewing doctors and nurses. Well, it's exact math they used in Puerto Rico. Yeah. With the hurricane. It's just like, oh yeah, we're not going to tell you about the fact the total infrastructural collapse

and lack of electricity for people that caused deaths, you know, and that's what we're already kind of seeing. Yeah, it's like the line that I keep hearing from medical professionals I've been interviewing all week is our variance of don't go to the hospital for the next couple of months. Like do whatever you can to not need medical attention in the next couple of months,

which obviously isn't an option for a lot of people, but is like the scariest thing about this. Right, like it's not an option for you not to play with knives is like the scariest thing about this right like it's not an option for you not to play with knives like that's kind of no no no i'm i'm going to do nighttime knife juggling um it's just night night the only one that keeps me going yeah yeah i saw what this piece was saying i just the the tone of it uh it wasn't crazy about just because like i understand why people are trying to diffuse panic and it does seem very possible i mean like we've talked about this in the past couple of weeks of

like people who are like oh i had a really bad like flu in january and i wasn't but i tested negative for a flu test like that very well may be true but the bigger issue like robert was saying is like the the flaws within our health system and how we're ill-equipped to deal with it so i don't like yeah i don't see how arguing against social distancing right now is is a productive thing to do yeah i guess i'm saying that like the the idea that that could be true and that some of the people who had a flu in january and february uh that might have been COVID-19. That isn't an argument against social distancing, actually.

It's not a valid argument against social distancing. Yeah. Yep. All right. Let's talk about the Dean of Tish. Dude, what's the dish on Tish? Okay. Here's the dish on Tish, gang.

One of the hardest videos to watch I've ever seen i have not gotten through it my myself no it's impossible i think i do think it's impossible to get through so it could like redeem itself at the end but nobody would know um but basically students i hope it's a jump scare at the end students at tish uh the n NYU School of the Arts, wanted some of their tuition money back because the virtual classes sucked and aren't what they paid for. And instead of addressing that situation, the school's dean sent them a video

of herself dancing to REM's Losing My Religion that is about what, it's as awful as that suggests like picturing a dean of a school dancing interpretively to losing my religion it's too on the nose it's like it's one of my favorite comedians friends tweeters just tweeted out the tish dean is camp and i have to agree yeah if you haven't seen the tish dean video it is like the cringiest thing ever it's students at an incredibly overpriced art school rightfully asking for their money that they're being charged way too much back they're just not even like she wrote something in the email as a response being like hey sorry

that's not going to be possible and then just attach this fucking photo booth video of her. She looks like shit. Just saying, let's dance. Let's just dance this thing out together. She would fail a performance art class with that. Yeah. But it's, you know. You know, I think I have a scorching take.

I got, there was something arousing about her dancing. Oh, you're horny? I don't know. I don't know if I was horny, but I felt the call of something arousing about her dancing. Oh, you're horny? I don't know. I don't know if I was horny, but I felt the call of the animal as I watched it. And it was because she felt like it was like a scene in a movie, like a road trip type movie where like the old trippy white like theater teacher is like seducing me with her bad dancing. And you're like, I don't know, dude.

I just, the way she moves her hands. I would love to see- We watched really different movies, Miles. I would love to see this- Oh yeah, I watched Trash. I'd love to see this part, played by Alice and Janney. Oh, yes.

There was some talk on the Reddit about casting Tiger King, which we'll talk about in a bit. But the Tishish dean she's trash i've been like i i was in the middle of like because i went to like an overpriced art school that ruined my fucking life as well not this one but a different one and i've been like trying to help students out and like advocating for them to get a refund and there's these i mean the schools are fucking horrible they're they're nightmare fuel

they're like oh no you have to take like you have to take an acting class on skype which doesn't make any fucking sense and uh and yeah it's bad but that said high camp high camp hope she's fired though yeah at the same time i feel like she won't. I feel like that is the spirit of an art school. That is the most art school thing I've ever seen. Yeah. Why is art school? Yes. Why is art school is a great question.

Well put. Hear, hear. It's a waste of fucking time. I would recommend it to exactly zero people. Anytime I'm advising a student, I'm like, you literally can drop out right now and your life will be no different. You know, Jamie, I've had so many friends, some of whom are great artists who went to art school and all of them have variants of the response you just gave me.

Yeah. Usually after. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. have variants of the response you just gave me yeah usually after yeah cool yeah well really briefly just uh kind of going back to covering the coverage of uh covet 19 the right specifically lou dobbs and then a bunch of more kind of right-wing blogs like uh the daily wire are uh taking aim at fauci and claiming that he like is clashing with trump and is therefore a deep state plant yeah the daily wire is really coming hard for the one competent person in the federal government right now yeah yeah the gateway Pundit cited an email where he complimented Hillary Clinton on her stamina during the Benghazi hearings. Deep state.

Yeah, Gateway Pundit replied, it's no surprise that he was encouraging her because he's also crashing economies and playing down hopes for a possible coronavirus treatment so they're specifically talking about trump arguing that there is like these experimental cures that that like are not medically advisable should be like tried and are like going to work it's just like it's straight up snake oil shit and as we're just talking there my connection to you guys was uh lagging and that ties into our next story because the internet is slowing down just across the board i mean yeah did we even really need this like files did we did we need to study this like everyone in the country is video chatting at the same time forever now. Of course, the internet slowed down. Yeah.

I like that. Yeah. Anna sent us a great meme last night. It was, oh, good. I'm going to describe a meme. But it was like the Scooby-Doo meme where it's like, let's see who's behind COVID-19. And then they pull off the mask and it's Zoom. Zoom?

Zoom all along. Dude, there's a whole new thing that happened that teachers, I don't know if teachers or people in academia are calling Zoom bombing, where people are like pulling up to digital lectures and like throwing up porn or like misogynistic or racist troll shit. Oh, that part's not as good yeah so it runs the gamut from light-hearted to awful racist evil shit but like they're like oh we don't know what to do and like zoom is sort of telling people it's like you know you can change some of the options so not everyone can have their display video on the screen or can hijack your lecture or play pornography

and like they're these these professors are like, I'm so sorry for the Zoom bombing that had occurred in the lecture. It was really upsetting. And students are like, no, it's not your fault. It's not your fault. But it's like the new pranking. Have you seen the video of the woman who's very responsible seeming, having a very competent conversation in Spanish, like a work Zoom conversation.

Her boyfriend walks by in the background with just underwear and a soccer jersey on. And then realizes what's happening and tries to run out of frame, but runs into a wall. frame but like runs into a wall I am excited for the inevitable conclusion because like one thing we should all be aware of at this point is that like whenever these weird things happen they never just stop happening they always explode into

something even weirder and my prediction is that in two years when all business and government is done over zoom anyone who starts delivering a lecture or a speech, be they the president or a college professor, will just throw some porn up behind them on the screen so that there's no point in

Zoom bombing them. That is going to be the new norm. I am calling it now. Pre-Zoom bombing. Preemptive Zooming. I forget who was telling me this, but someone was saying that students already know how to fuck around with Zoom, obviously, because kids are better at the internet than us. But they already know how to manipulate Zoom so that it makes it look like they're sitting and paying attention when really their video is off and they're doing other shit.

Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. I mean, you gotta. Yeah. It would just be a matter of putting a picture as as the background that is you paying attention and then just like leaving the frame yeah just print it out it can be grainy as fuck just frame it up in front of your camera bung bung and then if you say and then if you're like i'm sorry my internet connection is laggy i have to turn off my video that's what i would do if i

was in school right now i'd be like sorry my's really slow. I had to turn off my video. And then I would just be nude and watching television. What you don't know is I am nude and watching television as you teach. The joke's on you, sir. I do hope that this all helps to normalize workplace nudity. That's really, if we can have one good long-term effect it's that we all just go back to just everyone pajamas pantsless like let's just bring that back into the world when was a lot of people using the bathroom in their meetings oh yeah yeah fuck it

no more boundaries that's that let that be the the they, oh, you don't like it? Then turn your video off. Then just mute my video screen. You ain't paying for this. You're describing my literal nightmare. Let's talk about the Nextdoor app, which we've talked about before on this show. It's kind of usually a nightmare. That and Neighbors or any of those apps attached to RingCam or whatever

where it's basically like, oh my God, did you see there was someone who was not white walking on the sidewalk today? Or I think there's homeless people, blah, blah. It's a mixture of usually really bad takes on race or just straight up racism or poverty and things like that mixed with

kind of neighborly shit. But the company that like makes next door specifically said there's been like an 80% increase in the number of people using it. And a lot of the anecdotes about it are actually less about like people being completely awful and like sort of setting up what resemble kind of functioning mutual aid networks where people have like a help map in their neighborhood and they can say i live here and i'm willing to get groceries i'm willing to walk a dog i can do this other people may say i need help doing this and people are using the app to sort of communicate uh like in oakland there's a guy who was posting an update of like what was in stock at the like grocery store that's like immediately in his neighborhood and then along with messages from the owner that said hey hey, if you need to

buy anything on credit, let me know and we can work something out. Or people just saying, hey, let's all sing out of our windows in this apartment complex, shit like that. But then there's also a decent amount of narking too, where people are like, I don't know if you saw these people that were walking way too close to each other

or this person was like, I think this delivery person coughed on the mailbox or whatever but you know it's it's always gonna be cops are you know they're funny but they're but shut up yeah uh social distance pd so yeah this is the fucking social distance neighborhood watch it's ridiculous the uh i i have i have a a fun update that because just because i've been talking about it in for the past couple ridiculous the uh i i have i have a a fun update that because just because i've been talking about it in for the past couple weeks the uh the city of los angeles actually did something they they put uh i know we went to check on the encampment near our apartment yesterday and they had put in a hand washing station and some bathrooms. They gave some basic services.

Yeah, now we just need the city council to freeze the fucking rent. There's good news there too, though. As of this recording, they're actually going to have a meeting about it. Will they make the right decision? Probably not. Oh, was it after those people went to the councilman's house and started screaming outside? And then responsibly protesting it was amazing these people were demonstrating and social distancing outside

of his house and being like it was hey calm the fuck out yeah yeah and then it was like thousands of you whatever calls and emails because they were just like intentionally pushing the meeting past april so that they wouldn't have to deal with anyone's like rent issues uh but they're having the meeting i mean as of this recording it hasn't happened yet so we'll see don't you miss la robert i do there's actually some really cool stuff going on there like the group reclaiming uh our houses who is like busting into normal houses that are just owned by the the city or the state for whatever reason and opening them up to people who don't have homes,

that's a good thing to be doing and a great way to make use of, say, your bolt cutters. I was there last weekend. They're doing amazing work. Yeah, it's a really important thing to be doing. In general, so is the... If California and a number of other states or if the federal government gets a good rent freeze going on, then that's great.

And I will eat my words. But I suspect that if we want to stop a huge number of people from winding up on the street, the answer is for massive numbers of us to just stop paying rent and be like, what are you going to do? How many cops you got? Yeah.'s the other how many cops you got the and the focus really like it's easy to just sort of like keep it nebulous and be like don't pay your rent but the whole suction of these funds going up to people it's like the reason your landlord has to ask you for your money is because he has to pay he or she or they have to pay the bank for their creditors and so like when we're not properly talking about that too like i think especially in the media being like what's being done there rather than keeping it obscure and be like what do people do about rent it's like well how big of a hit are the banks willing to take here like what are they willing to do to ease this because ultimately

they're the ones being like hey we keep pumping money into those banks so maybe yeah as we know the government is never like above giving a shitload of money to banks so maybe yeah as we know the government is never like above giving a shit load of money to banks so we might as well fuck the banks over but that that is a good point that we hadn't discussed yet was like yeah that landlords are you know they're responsible to the banks most of them especially like small smaller landlords and yeah but that also includes like a lot of people who were in the middle of these really weird gaming the system things where they would have like 30 leases and would be operating

like a string of Airbnbs or a string of like sublease departments or they would have like managed to qualify for 6 to 10 mortgages and they would just be juggling that in the hopes that like after 20 years they could pay off their houses and it's like if you're I have had good landlords who were lovely people and who cared and in one case a landlord who like

had built several houses with her and her husband and they loved those houses and took great care of their tenants most of the landlords i've had have been literal criminals um and i think most of the landlords most people i know have had have been literal criminals and they were often doing something like that where because they had they were always juggling mortgage payments, they would nickel and dime you every way they could, jack the price up every way they could, and avoid basic maintenance every way they could. And I don't care about what happens to those folks. I don't think they should lose their homes that they live in, but I don't care if they lose their 30 rental properties. The people in those properties are who I care about.

And on an unrelated note, the city in the United States with the most police officers per 10,000 citizens is Atlantic City, New Jersey, which has just 70.9 cops per 10,000 people. Can't evict everybody. Not with 70. Yeah. You certainly cannot. It's lower wherever you are if you don't live in Atlantic City.

38 cops per 10,000 people in fucking St. Louis. Like, we got them, Missourians. And if we're talking mutual aid and people are like, well, I feel like, it's like, if you can pay your rent,

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So there's this popular Virginia pastor, a 66-year-old musical evangelist, who on March 13th shared a meme to his many followers that compared coronavirus deaths to swine flu deaths, like a lot of people are doing, and said that the media was trying to drum up fear about this pandemic just to hurt Trump, and stated that the media is pumping out fear and doing more harm than good. He also posted another video that day about a missionary from South Africa who protected himself from the bubonic plague with the spirit of God, and quoted in the post, said, as long as I walk in the light of the law, no germ will attach itself to me. Now, about four days after this, he went to New Orleans with his wife to evangelize and he caught the coronavirus and died. And oh, yeah.

So, yeah. How am I allowed to react to this? Because I don't think he was a monster and you shouldn't cheer when a monster doesn't die. But also he was being like, this is total bullshit. And then it proved that it wasn't with his horrible death. That kind of reminds me of a story that I think happened less than a month ago,

but feels like five years ago, where that flat earther tried to launch yes yeah he sure did he sure feels like that feels like that i mean it's like one of those things where you just say you know they died how they lived you know yeah and you know that's just what happened the guy who tried to shoot himself into space wouldn't have made it through COVID-19. I think we can all agree on that, right? Would you imagine the knock-on effect of his death?

He actually was also working on a cure, but he had tragically died in that spaceship accident before. Oddly enough, the cure was also based around a steam engine. Yeah. I mean, we all get that it's all fear

based. Yeah. I don't know. It's just like, okay. It's okay to be glad that a terrible person who kills a bunch of people when they get taken out because it's like, well, they were hurting a bunch of people. What about someone who's just going to hurt a bunch of people

through disinformation by urging them to all go to church services in the middle of a pandemic, and then that person gets the disease? How am I allowed to feel about this? In the privacy of your own home, flex that First Amendment all you want. Yeah. I feel like I'm not not gonna even think about it uh i will not spend any time mourning that person i'll just now more than ever now more than ever i don't have time i'm playing

overcooked and i got i got sushi i gotta make in this kitchen i'm getting swamped with orders man i wish i had orders man i'm black i'm black black swanning. I made a finsta for my dancing and y'all will never find it. Okay. We'll see about that. It's like, gang, I defy you to find my dancing finsta. You'll never find it.

But they're doing this thing where the principal dancers at all these ballets are giving lessons and then you post videos of you doing the lessons and then they give you notes. It's cool. Whoa.

Yeah. Very cool. Have you been getting notes? I got a note from Tyler Peck, who's one of the principal dancers at one of the big New York ballet companies. I've been taking her class every morning, and I was freaking out. It was exciting. Holy shit.

Wow. Please don't look for my dance class. Complimentary? Well, no. I have freaking out. It was exciting. Holy shit. Please don't look for my dance. Complimentary? Well, no. I have bad turnout. What is turnout? Turnout is in ballet the angle your foot is supposed to be at

when you're in the various positions. I knew this already because for all the nice Zyking people that are like, wow, you don't suck. I did it for 15 years. So hopefully, so I shouldn't totally suck, but it's just the angle that your foot's supposed to be turned out at when you're doing, you know, points, tendus, all that shit, all that French shit.

Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. Well, speaking of turning out, Bob Dylan is turning up. Oh, here we go. Here we fucking go. That finally tells the truth about the JFK assassination. Hey.

No, it's just a weird rambling 17-minute poem about- Did you listen to the whole thing? Epic. I listened to the whole thing a couple of times, actually. Oh, of course. Guys, that's okay. Well, what's the news? I like Bob Dylan, so that's-

I know you do. And you love JFK. The least interesting thing about me. Isaac and I were doing impressions of you this morning of you waking up out of a cold sleep because you could sense that Bob Dylan had dropped new music. That doesn't happen to everyone else. His wife's like, oh no, did Bob Dylan make new music, honey?

Yeah, she knows exactly. She knows exactly just by the way he wakes up. For an example of how perfect the writing in this song is, it includes the line. And Jack, get some tissues ready, because this one's going to tear into your heartstrings. Rub-a-dub-dub, it's a murder most foul. Rub-a-dub-dub, it's a murder most foul.

Rub-a-dub-dub. Oh, Bob. It's almost as good as Hear Kitty Kitty that's my top song from Tiger King Bob Dylan is like the artist with the greatest amount of lines that can like bring me to tears

and also lines that like you wrote this while shitting Bob you just wrote this while taking a shit and never thought about it again uh yeah what a great artist well and and uh i mean i would be remiss if i didn't pipe in and let everyone know that uh renner dropped some new heat today as well oh shit oh fuck too let you took a shit what there i mean i think that i don't even think jeremy renner has written a song i think he mostly just like uses like lyrics generators uh but he he dropped a new so the same we talked about uh last god it's called

the medicine yeah it's called the medicine robert what Yeah, the same week that Jeremy... Oh, no! Fucking thing, Robert. The same week... The fucking album art? It's very similar to his other album art. It's very high saturation. Like, you can't fully see him.

It could be a body double. The lyric video, the font they're using, I have no idea what it is. It is the medicine as made clear by the album art is jeremy renner playing the piano because it's just a picture of him in front of a piano wearing what has to be a latex blazer and now you're gone you can see like the the contours of his of his trapezius muscles underneath the latex blazer. Trying to believe when your mind's made up.

Because it's not a, yeah, that's amazing. Running like a fool when you're out of touch. Like all of his, like just a machine comes up with these lyrics. Running like a fool when you're out of touch. Looking for a lie that could be a rush. We all gotta feed our sins with the medicine. It's good shit.

Can we spend about 20 minutes or so analyzing the Twitter, the language of the post he made announcing this album because I need help with this too. Okay. Okay. First sentence, two clauses. Common ground can be hard to find

in today's world, comma, but music has remained a constant for me. Now, it seems to me that he's starting out by talking about the difficulty of finding common ground and then specifically saying, I, Jeremy Renner, like this thing, which seems like it's completely off topic. He's not saying music is common ground for him. It's always in his life.

And also common ground is hard to find. Those are two unrelated clauses, really. Yeah. I think you're under thinking it. I think that Jeremy's part of it. But see what you're failing to realize is that music is the medicine, Robert. Oh, wait, wait.

Music is the medicine. Is it possible that music is a constant common ground for him because Jeremy Renner himself contains multitudes all united by the lyric system? He clearly does contain multitudes. The fact that this, I mean, the poetry of the fact that this gorgeous heat dropped the same week that Jeremy Renner insisted on paying less alimony is just i mean what else are we even talking about you know jamie i'm glad that you bring up the fact that jeremy renner has used the covet 19 epidemic to try to that jeremy renner millionaire has used the covet 19 epidemic to try to avoid paying child support because i think it ties in with the second sentence of his Twitter post. Oh, go ahead. To feel deeply, to dance fervently,

and live together is more present now than ever. Mm-hmm. To feel deeply. More present now? Is more present, yeah. Is more present. What could be more present now than ever? People are dancing fervently and living together now more presently than ever before that's

up guys I want to I want to spend the rest of the show on this however I think our listeners are going to be mad if we don't talk Tiger King yes they have been frothing we did promise them Tiger King we promised them a whole episode of behind the bastards

on this Twitter yeah just do cover it. Jeremy Renner, Behind the Bastards. I really hope he does a concert on Zoom. I'm tweeting at him right now. Tiger King, guys. What can be said about Tiger King? A friend of mine was saying today, my friend John was saying that it's a great representation of the Trump administration because just when you think it can't get any weirder

or more unhinged, something happens that makes you forget everything that happened before. And it also is driven primarily by a meth-fueled narcissist, which I think... I mean, there's so many. Everyone on Tiger King is a't narcissist i'll be honest i have not seen the last two episodes i got through a lot of it last night but i'm i'm down to be spoiled i mean there's not like much to be spoiled it's more like

how once they fully tell the story you're kind of left with what your opinion is of the entire situation i think by by those first five episodes you see a lot of what's going on and you're kind of like, wait, is this guy for real? Is this woman actually innocent? Is this guy grooming women to be like sex slaves? Like what is happening? For sure he is. Yes, he is.

I think that, first of all, I love the only character, I mean, I do love Joe Exotic. He's a problematic icon. We love him. Problematic guy. Yeah. I liked Barbara, the ex-Tiger wife. I was here for Barb.

And Carol, for sure, killed her husband. Sorry. Oh, yeah. Yes. 100%. We can all agree that Carol killed her husband, for sure. 100%. Well, that whole episode plays like a Dateline episode

where it's clear that the spouse probably murdered their spouse, their other spouse, and all the details are so murky. It's like he didn't have a plane that could fly the distance that supposedly he would have gone. He was telling everybody he was going to leave her. Then there's no trace. And you got a tiger farm. Yeah.

And he had gone to the police with a restraining order being like, she's going to kill me. That's always what happens right before they actually get killed. Right before people get killed. Yeah. You do that right before you frame your ex-wife. If anything happens to me carol killed me i've seen a lot of i've seen a lot of people like comparing everyone in this

documentary to like it's like play as like a christopher guest movie and i couldn't agree more it feels like yeah a christopher guest movie that people would call a bit much i love it like yeah a christopher guest movie that people would call a bit much i love it now y'all i have not seen this and i have not read about what it is i have one of two guesses as to i have two guesses as to what the show is about one of them is a weird documentary about some corner of the american population and the other is a tv a fictional tv series starring danny mcbride uh yes from the vague things i've heard it has to be one of those two danny i think someone on the zeitgeist reddit was saying that uh danny mcbride should play doc which i agree with uh as long as i can play a tiger wife or woody harrelson would be a good doc. Woody Harrelson, super producer Anna Hosnia was saying Woody Harrelson would be good as

the guy who opened that tiger farm with Jeff Lowe at the end. Oh, I haven't seen that one. Tim Stark. Oh, right. Yeah, he has big Woody Harrelson energy, but deranged Woody Harrelson energy. But Robert, we specifically were saying in a recent episode that what is unique about these characters, it takes place in the South of America.

I know, absolutely. If it involves tigers and is a real news story, it happens somewhere in the South. Robert, this is the sort of thing where I feel like you would watch it and be like, oh, I know someone who knows someone who knows the lady who had her wife. Wait, John Finley? I know John Finley.

Yeah, you're like, holy shit. Johnny? I have known three different people in three different states who kept big cats as pets. And it was never like a thing that i ran into because we were going to go see their big cat it was always just like oh yes this person also owns a tiger this person also owns incidental tiger ownership yeah you just learn about it as you're hanging out with them the so that's a thing that i I guess the main takeaway for me was that there is this allure of tigers,

lions, and big cats in general that I am totally disconnected and unfamiliar with. That is about as like it's the best testament to the power of culture and how disconnected you can be from another human being based on like having a totally different background because they're like people go and like in one case there's a guy who just has a cult of like sex slaves uh that are basically there just because he has access to exotic pets. And in the case of Joe Exotic, he's convinced two young straight men to marry him because of his access to cats. Cats are amazing, Jack.

The bigger they are, the more amazing they are. I was trying to figure out, okay, so for those of us who have seen it, if you were a character or let's say a real person that allegedly exists in this documentary, who would you be? Because I told Isaac, I told my boyfriend that he has big Travis energy

who is just like someone who, everyone's nodding. Okay. The hot second husband. I'm trying to put it together. I'm like, well, he's big, like I know he's a big weed smoker. Well, and just like someone who's like, hey, I just moved here. I'm really enthusiastic.

I'm really excited. And then fast forward two months, he's in like a tiger throuple. And he's like, oh, shit. Like, what's happening? Does this documentary talk about how many tigers there are in Texas? No. No, but they do have a map where you start seeing like where the concentrations are of like big cat owners. And it's definitely like in the south, southeast. cat owners and it's definitely like in the south southeast i just i want to clarify how big a deal this is in texas because the humane society of the united states estimates that there are more tigers

living in captivity in the state of texas than live in the wild on the rest of the planet there are there are so many more tigers in texas than you would guess if you have not spent a lot of time in Texas. Show us your tiger selfies, Texas. Yeah, I've never had a tiger. If you had to be in quarantine with a single character on Tiger King, who would it be and who would your last choice be? Oh, I think I would be with Finlay. I think he's like Johnny.

I think he seems like a nice guy. I think he's like, Johnny, I think he seems like a nice guy. Yeah, he seems like a chill dude. That or the woman who had her arm bitten off. See, I think she needs to love herself more. I was worried about her. I'm just more like for quarantine though, she'd be like more of like a quiet person where like I'm kind of like to myself too.

I'm like, yeah, I don't know. She's doing her thing in her room. I don't know. I feel like she'd like share her snacks and stuff i mean she's clearly a very she has a very generous spirit given that she was at work five days after her amputation yeah i just i want her to get a good just because she didn't want people to get the wrong idea i know oh there was a time in my life where i was that person where you're like oh you it's okay that's fine that's fine i said actually i don't want to like make a Actually, I don't want to make a scene

or I don't want to make a big deal out of things. I actually don't need my arm and I'll see you on Monday. That might be the greatest testament of all to the devotion people feel to big cats and the people who own them is that she was just like, I don't want to fuck the private zoo up

just because this one tiger bit my fucking arm off. God, cats are so cool. I totally get it. I would be in a cult if I got to hang out with big cats all the time. Yeah, I mean, there's this one character who just talks about how amazing it was that he got to walk these big cats,

and it sounds like he's talking about having the power of the universe coursing through his veins. If you've ever walked a tiger on a leash, man, yeah, that's right. I think it'll be a few years before we really get a good handle on like what it is cats do to people's brains like dogs every our devotion to dogs makes sense because they're like

these loyal bodyguards that we breed that will die for us and are just like filled with nothing but love and dedication. They're the greatest tool that humanity has ever devised. Yeah. Cats, no one really

knows what cats are. We're devoted to cats. Yeah, and for forever, people have just had this thing where we see them walking by and we're like, hey, look at that. The cats are just the emotionally unavailable father that most of us had i love there's been like i mean this has been a massive year for cats of all sorts in pop culture i mean

we like had cats which that was the best thing that happened to cats since Egypt. We had cats. Big capital C cats. Yeah. Which, if no one has seen Maggie Mayfish's new video about cats and T.S. Elliott, highly recommend. It's really good. And then we had Don't Fuck With Cats. Now we have Tiger King. Great documentary.

Don't Fuck With Cats. I mean, we talked about that as well, but that fucked me up at the time. Yeah, I mean, I think this is all the work of the nefarious industry, big, big cat, just trying to infiltrate our minds, really. It's a full court press. Release the butthole cut, of course.

Absolutely. Right. I mean, as soon as I, I remember, I grew up in Oklahoma, which is, and the place I grew up in is Choctaw County, and I spent a lot of time at the local. There was a museum that was like a Native American museum. And they had this big, beautiful brass sculpture of like the universe as it was envisioned by members of the tribe way back in the day. And it was like this big turtle with like the earth sitting on its back.

And the instant I saw it, I was like, if that's the way the universe is, there's a big cat out there looking to knock that fucking thing off the turtle's back just to fuck it up. And, yeah. Yeah, this takes place, by the way, this movie takes place

almost totally in Oklahoma. Oklahoma. Winnie Wood. Yeah, you need to watch it. That absolutely scans. Yeah, okay. That tracks. Yeah, that's...

Well, Robert, it's been a pleasure having you. Well, thank you, Jack. It has been a pleasure being had. Where can people find you, follow you? I'm not on the internet ever. I've never used the internet, so they cannot.

Sorry to hear that. Seems like you'd be a lot of fun. Yeah, it does. I hear that. Can. Seems like you'd be a lot of fun. Yeah, it does. I hear that. Can people hear you on your new podcast? Yeah, I've mailed a bunch of things that I recorded into a handheld device to you, Jack,

and now there's a podcast, I'm told, by other people who use the internet. And if you find The Woman's War on Spotify, iTunes, the iHeartRadio app, all of those, just type it into Google you'll figure out how to listen to it we all know how to use it, I mean theoretically

you do, I don't and is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying there man, yes I keep watching like various clips of The Simpsons because i've watched the simpsons too many times to re-watch whole episodes now that i'm in quarantine but uh i like watching

little bitty gifs that people throw up on twitter and i'm watching the bart simpson one where he's got his leg broken and he's sitting up in a room slowly going crazy and looking out the window like, what was that fucking movie that that horrible person made? Rear Window? Rear Window, yeah. I feel the energy of that scene very much. So that's my favorite tweet, Jack.

Jamie, it's been a pleasure having you as well. Where can people find you and follow you? You can find me on twitter.com at jamieloftishelp or on Instagram at jamiechristsuperstar. I promised this a couple days ago and then I

didn't know how to do it. Now I figured it out, but I set up a cameo account where all the money is going to COVID, COVID, whatever the fuck. COVID19 relief. This week all the money is going to COVID, COVID, whatever the fuck. It's going to COVID-19 relief. This week, all the money is going to the National Domestic Workers Alliance.

So if you get one, it's 15 bucks, and then I'll write a short play where I'm the hero and you're the villain. And you can do that and listen. And then I'm making a little soap opera thing on Tuesdays and Thursdays. So that's what I'm doing with my time. Thanks for listening. And now more than ever,

cursed. Thank you. Was that the tweet you've been enjoying or did you? Yeah, that's the thing online i've been enjoying is uh very specific gripes on reddit honestly moi chef's kiss i'd like some more and and i'll shout out george severis which is uh george c-i-v-e-r-i-s saying tish dean is camp he is also just like one of the funniest people on the planet, has been coming up with a lot of Fiona Apple coronavirus crossover jokes. I can't fully explain it.

Just follow him. Well, because we got that incredible interview with her right as the coronavirus was lacking us all in our homes. Now more than ever, Jack. Now more than ever, Miles. Where can people find you and follow you? Oh, wow. you can find me you can follow me on twitter and instagram playstation network at miles of gray and also

my other podcast 420 day fiance where we talk about 90 day fiance it's another podcast it's not just a thing i say at the end of the show so check that out um a tweet that i like two from reductress uh you know there's so much there's so much good vibes going on with people going out on their balconies and, like, gathering together. This Reductress tweet said, aw, these people all went out on their balconies at the same time and masturbated to each other. And there's one more from Reductress because their website also has great, Reductress.com has great Quarkon content. This one is just sort of this headline who knew jigsaw puzzles were so fun says wild-eyed roommate moving dried beans around a table oh shit reductress is the new onion oh god uh some tweets i've been enjoying uh john preston ford on twitter uh is friends with uh the lead animator on the most recent version of thomas the tank engine

and posed the question to the lead animator that we were asking, why are there drivers, but the trains, the tank engines, seem to be autonomous. And they said, hmm, I would deny any notion that the trains are projections of the drivers, which was my theory.

As for free will, well, it must not be all or nothing because in the nights or mornings when the engines are in their sheds the drivers don't need to be around and they still converse and such but when it comes to them actually being able to move along a track then their drivers are required to be inside and they said so they're like wheelchair pushers or like servant uh litter bears and he said honestly i think those are both very apt descriptions so that has been solved for us by the authority

and then Drake Gatsby tweeted yo mama is so old I hope she is taking the proper steps to ensure she is safe from infection during this frightening time you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at

daily zeitgeist we're Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. We're going to link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as the song we ride out on. Miles, what's that going to be? Let's do, you know, just easy, like things that are good for your environment.

And I was just listening to jazz covers of Radiohead. I feel like I'm maybe in the most annoying coffee shop ever when I play it, but there's something comforting about hearing like familiar arrangements, but done with new instruments. So this is a cover of Everything in Its Right Place by the Brad Meldow Trio. And, you know, I think this song actually lends itself really well to a jazz cover. So, you know, just pour yourself a latte, you know what I mean? And then kick back with a nice book about Eames chairs and then just let your worries melt away.

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