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Episode Date: September 23, 2022

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 255, episode 5 of Dirt Daily's Ike Ice Day production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness, and it's Thursday. Nope. And it's Friday, September 23rd, 2022. I'll read whatever's on the prompter, man. Yeah, whatever you want. Whatever you want.

Whatever you want. Shout out to my boy Chris. It's his birthday today. Also, it's Celebrate Bisexuality Day. Energize Day. National Gay Men's HIV AIDS Awareness Day. National Checkers Day. National Great American Pop Pie Day.

National Snack Stick Day. Teal Talk Day. Yeah. And Restless Legs Awareness Day. What's a snackstick? It's got to be Slim Jim's, right? Slim Jim's? Okay.

Oh, wow. The fucking promotional picture for this is like jerky sausages, but like ones that have been like baked in a puff, like a puff pastry spiral, like a pigs in blanket, fancy jerky sausage slices on Ritz crackers. Eggs and blanket fancy jerky sausage. Slices on Ritz crackers. So I feel like that's not the snack stick that we need to be honoring. You know, I think it's just good old fashioned.

Holding your hand, find pieces of it in your ashtray like two weeks after a road trip type snack stick is what I identify. Yeah, i think this is also just from the like horribly processed meats lobby being like we need a day too to celebrate things you should unless you want like seven years worth of sodium in two bites the pig anus lobby they're like yeah we gotta unload all these pig anuses the text for this is so like it you can tell it's written by the people who make the poison because it's primarily made with beef or pork. Snack sticks harken back to the days when families preserved quantities of beef, pork, and game full of family tradition. They made sausage through smoking and aging.

Developed generation after generation. The recipes used premium ingredients and an abundance of love or salt or nitrate, whatever. And an abundance of love or salt or nitrate, whatever. When frontier families would inject their beef leavings with nitrates to make them extra delicious. Yes, as they chased away the indigenous people. Yes, hearken back to a simpler time. All right. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. all the other kids know how to smile for pics but my sons make me frown what a disappointment

you heard it ramsey and beau you heard me sons uh that that is uh an aka courtesy of radio georgio in reference to the fact that my my kids are bad at school pictures their their smiles are their their way towards the bottom of the power rankings for best school pictures. Their smiles are way towards the bottom of the power rankings for best school pictures in the yearbook that I do every year and make them watch me and my explanation and

diagram everything out. Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! It's Miles Gray straight out the fucking shadows of North Hollywood. The Lord of Lancashire has appeared to continue his crusade against smiling in school photos. I 100% identify with your kids.

As somebody who has told the smile so fucking, full disclosure, my dad's a photographer, so he would want to take pictures of me. Other fucking photographer friends are like, hey, man like hey man smile i'm like fuck all this uh so that's why i'm not the best smiler so i feel that i feel that and they didn't ruin it if anything they're gonna have interesting pictures because they're gonna look back and they'll be like i remember this i hated fucking smiling and this is what came out no they are pretty funny we actually ordered one in particular because it was so much like yeah it was embarrassing it looked like my son was taking a

shit like kind of for some reason and he liked it too he was like yeah yeah so we went with we did two for that year holy anyways miles we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the bassist and organist and multi-instrumentalist from one of my favorite bands of all time the walkman he's a singer-songwriter whose third solo album flowers which i absolutely love drops today september 23rd it's peter matthew bauer what? Hey, how's it going? Welcome, man. Thank you for having me. Oh, it's good to have you. Pete, we've known each other.

This is, I think this is the longest I've ever known somebody who's been on the show. I used to house sit for you when I was in my early 20s. Your wife drove me to- Damn, that's right. I forgot about that. Your wife drove me to get my driver's test when I was 16 years old. What? Wait, okay. I mean, I knew his wife before I knew Pete. Oh, gotcha. got your wife drove me to get my driver's test when i was 16 years old so wait okay yeah well

i mean i knew his wife before i knew pete but oh god because you would always be like yeah i know i know pete from the walkman that's how you always used to talk about pete and then now knowing oh wait so you know his wife from what yeah back in kentucky yeah okay i'm guessing is your same age cohort giving you rides to school? Yeah. I mean, she was, she was in college and drove me to, she was my sister, my cool sister, Shannon's roommate, or like they were like next door neighbors, freshman year of college. And I don't know how she got roped into driving me to my driver's test, but she did. She probably wanted to. She's like really yeah driving

okay our whole family so and i and i fucked it up uh badly and and only passed my driver's test because the person the who gave me the test was the aunt of like one of my teammates on the basketball team wow whole conspiracy season there you go. Are you from D.C. also? Walkman is like a New York D.C. band, right? Was the origins? We all grew up in D.C. Got it. Yeah, we're all D.C. kids.

And then over the time, people moved to New York at different times. Got it. Like anyone in a band has to. Yeah. At that point, yeah. Well, I mean, you know, like a lot of the guys were a little older than me and the singer singer And so we thought it was like they went to New York and started a different band like did well and we're like that's amazing You can you know play to people so then we moved to New York after that. Yeah Like their little brothers. Yeah, the album is really fucking cool

And I really like both your solo albums, but this really I don't know I say I think Walkman fans particularly are going to absolutely love this album. It's, it's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's,

it's so good. It's really cool. Yeah. It'll give you a taste of one of my favorite. Thanks. I'm really. Oh, it's for the listener,

not for you, Peter. I'll give you a taste of a remix of one of your tracks. Try this one on Peter. You ever heard 21st Century Station? Yeah, pretty good. You might like it. Love.

I would love a remix. And we're actually going to sing over it if that's cool. Yeah. We've reworked the vocals to be about my kids' ineptness when it comes to school photos. And talk about it. That's totally fine. Yeah. when it comes to school photos and talk about with that that's totally fine yeah that song is actually includes my daughter and my wife singing and then the dog like walking around the background

you know yeah i love yeah some uh wild light from i forget is that your second off your second album yeah that's not the second one it's called mount cough yeah that's one of my kids favorite songs just across we we have a a mix made up of like every song they've liked since they started liking music. And that is always in heavy rotation. And I think that has your family singing on it too, right? I think it's definitely my wife on it. Yeah. She's usually, you know, she's upstairs.

So it's like, I need someone to sing on this yeah she's usually the you know she's upstairs so it's like i need someone to sing on this you know it's quick i don't like those records when everyone's got like features you know so i like i like just like everyone you know your family or whoever's around being on a record yeah it's weird to like have to go hit up you know and it sounds really good famous it makes it easier for the credits that's right yeah all right pete we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about we're gonna talk about miles you put this well we're at the you wouldn't punch a man with glasses stage of trump's defense yeah because he's just he's going for it he's going with props at this point he's just like i don't man. We're talking about bending like space time and reality with we'll get to it.

But yeah, it's truly a swing that I've not quite seen. We'll talk about TV versus TikTok, all of that. Plenty more. But first, Pete, we like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? Okay, yeah. So I tried to come up with something. So most of my search history, which I'd never really looked at, was about like things you can do with tahini. So that's not that interesting.

Like that's the most interesting thing I had. Or it's like, who's that guy on the TV show? That's basically all I use it for is like when I'm watching TV, I Google like, you know, who this character actor is. But my friend, so I was asking my friend last night and he's, he was like, well, you could tell him how much do you pee in your lifetime? That's something he Googled yesterday. This is a younger guy.

He's like 24. So he's into that sort of thing. And it turns out you pee about 18, 000 gallons over the course of your life your average person and that's about a half a swimming pool wow that was sort of wow so no matter how hard you try your whole life you could only fill half a swimming pool with your pee i mean you could probably like i feel like you know you could try harder and get up a little bit but your average user you know i don't know i'm like kind're an average user. I don't know why. I'm kind of crestfallen hearing that.

Yeah, that's not enough peak for me. I feel like I can do better than that. Is that an Olympic swimming pool? Well, there's an average swimming pool. I don't know what that means exactly. An average swimming pool is 35,000 gallons. I feel like I could fill the swimming pool by the end if I make it a long time. Yeah. If you work hard, hydrated continue there there is a power washer going in the background just for

added effect but your neighbor's trying to fill a pool right now yeah i'm almost there man i'm almost there i mean what because they say you do maybe you pee between four and ten times a day if everything's going right okay is that right that's what they say that feels like a lot four and 10 times a day if everything's going right okay is that right that's what they say that feels like a lot four and ten i guess ten feels like a lot four feels but maybe not but we all have different size bladders we have different you know our you know our peak we all come from different p backgrounds you know so sometimes you like to pee and then the minute you have a sensation other times you're working and you're like i think i get away with a couple more dance hours yeah just burst i like to it speeds if you've ever heard this show and been like are they on like 1.5 time like what why is this like double speed

that's you doing your about the show's about to rap p that's me that's me having to pee yeah but anyways fascinating stuff i figured i had to i figured that pete's gonna do something about how how much we pee in our lifetimes i just knew that you knew that coming in yeah i'm also curious what what can you do with tahini though i'm also interested in i mean i ate i started eating these, not because I'm a particularly healthy person at all, but I just started eating these macrobiotic lunches years ago that are just steamed vegetables and tofu and this tahini sauce. Everything else, you kind of get sleepy after lunch, and this would just feel like running through a wall.

And so, I don't know. Then I got obsessed with tahini. i could put tahini on anything like just you know so i'm always trying to figure out different versions of and again that's why i didn't choose it because it's kind of boring you know i just like i'm like can you put teeny instead of you know mustard on this thing and you know like just trying to come up with different dresses yeah yeah yeah no i love tahini and i when i remember when i found out it's like in desserts too i was like this thing is the most fucking malleable sauce i've ever seen they make a like a healthy nutella that my wife ordered but it's all it's all sesame tahini based and there's

like a little chocolate in it but it's great it's like it's amazing i gotta remember the brand name but i eat that like just out of the jar the chocolate hummus really fucks me up because it does taste so good but it's i don't know like my brain doesn't know what to do with it it's just like is that real are you making a joke yeah chocolate hummus is no no chocolate hummus is like something you can get at ralph's yeah yeah i remember the first time like we're doing too much trader joe's and then every listener was like you think it much trader joe's and then every listener was like you think it looks and sounds fucked up and then you'd eat it and then you realize you are fucked up and then you realize you are the one you are the fucked up one yeah

the other one the other reason i bring it up is the uh salt have you ever had like a millionaire bar with tahini and caramel that's like oh's not right though. Oh my god. You make your own salted caramel with like a cookie base and like this caramel tahini filling and it's like vegan excellent dessert. Wait, what do you mean you make your own? What is...

I've never bought a millionaire bar but someone like made it like a home recipe like they made it on their own and ever since then it's one of my favorite desserts that i've had involving tahini too all right i'm googling that right after yeah millionaire bars yeah yeah all right wow millionaire bar i'd never even heard of that yeah super easy to make too i maxed out at the hundred grand bar is that was it was that the name of a bar anyway 100 pete what's something you think is overrated i chose uh hippies i think hip like just hippies and hippie culture and the whole i live in laurel

canyon and there's like a lot of old hippies and they really just get my you know goat or whatever the saying is i just can't there's so many rules there's always rules with hippies and so that that was i thought that was overrated what are hippie rules what are hippie rules just like you know like the the thing about that bothers me with all things it's all like hey man like do whatever you want like you know like be free and everything but do it exactly like i want to be done you know like don't you know there's just a lot of like you know like there's a neighborhood facebook group on laurel canyon it's just like we're on it because you want to know if like the neighborhood's on fire so you can go down the hill.

But other than that, it's just, you know, it's like all these old hippies complaining about stuff. And I feel like that's always been true. Like as a touring musician, anytime you sort of run into like a hippie owned venue, there's always like a lot of rules that you can't stand over here.

You got to stand over there. You know, you can't eat. It's always, it's just, it's a, it's just a bullshit culture, I think, you know? And then eat it's always it's just it's a it's just a bullshit culture i think you know and then consequently i chose metal as underrated because i think because my son's been becoming

like a diehard like death metal guy right you know like oh really really deep into metal like he knows so much about mentalist so like a real uh victory for for fatherhood he he wants me to go to the shows with him it's like a mixed bag because i'm proud that he he wants me to go to the shows with him it's like a mixed bag because i'm proud that like my son's like yeah you want to come and i'm like yeah i do you know sort of but then i got actually you go to the show you know but i have been enjoying it a lot and like last night i went to uh the 1720 nightclub in downtown and saw blood incantation which i just would never think i'd string those words together but i did it you know and this is the second time i've actually seen blood incantation in about a month

so that fucking rules they never like fail to just absolutely nail the genre of like band name like it is always so on point like blood incantation i've never heard of them but that's that is if i they're fucking colorado yeah um but yeah he made me go to las vegas which is another thing i just like i would say is very overrated would be the city of las vegas it's just hell right and um and similarly it's like they're like hey anything goes like you know whatever stays in vegas blah blah blah but like they have so many rules for everything in Las Vegas that it's just insane. So how are you supposed to have fun if it's, I don't know, you know, it's like, you can only have this sort of one type of fun, which is like detrimental to you. Right? Yeah. It's funny how like that sort of evolution of like, yeah, man,

in the sixties, when I was young, I was like, fuck all this dumb shit. Then I realized I have assets and investments that I need to protect. And, you know, like HOA is actually a pretty good way to kind of keep, you know, take care of our property values. But yeah, man. Love a bit of love a linen shirt, though. Yeah, that's true. Do we think that hippies were there was something there to begin with in that generation that was like they were so anti-establishment because they wanted to make their own rules? Like, were they fucked to begin with? We want our own very rigid set of rules. rules or was it like that the cia and like nixon and reagan just like eventually wore them down with like all sorts of infiltration and like mind brainwashing and like the the incentives

of capitalism just like wore them down i don't know boomers call in yeah well that's a good question though because i want i always wonder like if those like that early generation were actually the same type of person as like what you would meet at in like 1999 and like a grateful dead concert or something like like are they the same personality type or was that like early thing like this kind of like revolutionary like crazy you know because it's just different people you know than like than they are now because i just i don't get it it's not it's just not yeah just let me put my garbage cans however the fuck i want to in front of my house yeah please don't have the handles the other way facing the street it's like what the fuck does it matter a metal claw comes and fucking grabs it and throws it in a truck

right i feel like i get an anonymous note like every month for about this my garbage cans they leave a little note on the garbage can i'm like man sleep it's crazy what are they what what are they criticizing about your garbage cans like your placement my recycling can doesn't have a lid on it and i like that because then i can add more recycling to it so i can pile it really high yeah right and also like i as someone who grew up in la and like knows how like the lifespan of those like city cans sometimes they just get bashed around so much the the lids just are a thing that doesn't exist on your can anymore yeah you know and like it

takes what are you gonna do dial 3-1-11 and wait for fucking weeks. I mean, sometimes they come pretty quickly. Other times I remember in North Hollywood, I asked for like fucking ages being like, man, this shit has a huge hole in the side. Yeah. Yeah. But if you have a lid on your recycling, you're not recycling enough is what I would say. You're not using that shit enough. You're not stacking it high enough. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Okay. So you not using that shit enough you're not stacking it high enough yeah yeah yeah wow okay yeah so you barely use that shit so uh are you gonna go to that mashuga show then with your son coming up you know i don't know if he's that into mashuga yet or not i don't know that that's not when we play in the car a lot we listen to a lot of uh like electric wizard which is like a doom metal band yeah yeah yeah well torch is opening for them and you know that bassist has the bomb note all right it's fun to experience in person because there you go make your stomach upset and i came to the baby shower for that song that you're talking about the most hungover i've ever been in my entire life i don't know if that was evident to you but yeah jack it was bad times for me but that's so cool that's so

cool to hear that he's like kind of into his own his own thing yeah and like wants you to come with him that's like that's the dream man that is really the dream that's so cool it is that's the cool thing right like you know like you you don't want to be like like like i'm very into that he's into this culture and i do like the subculture of it because i don't think there's that many subcultures left really everything feels very like you know just big world and metal at least like they you know it feels like everybody kind of knows each other or like supports each other right so i think it's great and then yeah i'm so happy that he he takes me along and like last night we me and him and then this this kid charlie who is one of the bands i managed called lily we all just went and it was fun you know it's like a good

how old is he oh my son is he's he's 17 and he's 63 now too yeah so is he 63 holy shit yeah wow so you're there yeah now you're at these shows like i ain't getting in the pit not with guys like you in there i got in the pit the other day and i forgot i also broke my toe the other day on like a pool chair like a like it's a total asshole just like walked into a pool chair and broke my toe and i totally forgotten because it was all taped up so it didn't hurt and then i went in the pit at this other show because they were like yeah you gotta come with me and i was like all right this will be funny and then this kid just stomped in my foot immediately right i was like i totally forgot you know that's only just sensed your weakness it was yeah this guy's taking him out yeah watch this shit

look at this tender-footed fuck trying to get in the pit and love someone all right yeah so how did you like what how because the the way i work around like my what my kids are into is just if they seem to like a song or if i hear a song that i like that reminds me of a song that they already like i'll like add it to their mix like how how did you go about like parenting from a music perspective? I actually think very similar. I mean, I think we turned Otis off for years cause he like went on tour with us when he was a little kid. Right.

And you know, so for a long time, like even when he was like 15, he was like, man, I don't really like music. Like I just, you know,

kind of cause it's what you, like what you were saying, miles, like I don't want my picture taken. Cause like, that's what your dad, you know? So, but then he kind of found his own way to i think it's similar like like i think you don't force it on people like it's kind of like oh this is what you like great

like my daughter is like loves musical theater so i had to learn a lot about musical theater which is not something i ever thought i'd do either but now i can totally get into that you know but it's kind of their it's like their own own, it's like their own path. Otherwise, it's like, I was at this wedding party this weekend, and there was this really, like, uppity lady telling us about how she drove her kids around, like, and made them listen to, like, the entire Beatles in the car. And, like, the entire discussion. I was like, man, that sounds like one,

that's the last thing I'd want to do is be in a car with you for, like, four hours,, like driving around listening to Beatles. But it's just the kids. I mean, it would just I guarantee you they will not like music later. That sort of thing, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I just love the wisdom of like any person like you as a musician who, you know, you probably look at your own evolution of like liking music.

It's more just like just get out the way. If kids like music, like they're going to figure just like just get out the way if kids like music like they're gonna they're gonna figure it like they'll find their own time and place and genre for it all but yeah being forced to listen to music was the thing i fucking hated as a kid like where my dad would be like oh you should try this album or my mom like oh this piece of music you'd really like but passively they were always playing all kinds of music that even the shit they wanted me to hear, I would listen to when I wasn't forced to listen to it because I was like, what's that play?

I'm like, oh, this is Debussy. Let's go on. Yeah, yeah. You do have to take your own agency and ownership of stuff like that. Otherwise, it's like, it doesn't make sense. It's weird, yeah. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll come back.

We'll talk some news. Yeah, we'll be right back i'm jess casaveto executive producer of the hit netflix documentary series dancing for the devil the 7m tiktok cult and i'm cleo gray former member of 7m films and shekinah church and we're the host of the new podcast forgive me Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members

for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high control groups and interview dancers, church members, and others whose lives and careers have been impacted, just like mine. Through powerful, in-depth interviews with former members and new, chilling firsthand accounts, the series will illuminate untold and extremely necessary perspectives. Forgive Me For I Have Followed will be more than an exploration.

It's a vital revelation aimed at ensuring these types of abuses never happen again. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts.

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And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better. This new season will cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. In 1982, Atari players had one thing on their minds, Sword Quest. This wasn't just a new game. Atari promised $150,000 in prizes to four finalists. But the prizes disappeared.

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for the industry and Atari itself in a way. Listen to The Legend of Sword Quest on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And things are not going well with Trump's defense against the document investigation. And it seems like desperate times happening right now with regards to like yeah it's a he's kind of fucked they they got to a level of judges that are not his cronies and the it's it doesn't look good yeah it's uh

there's just so much going on right now. Like, especially as it relates to the documents case, but it just reminds me of one of my favorite moments in the OG 1989 Batman is like, like when Batman is pummeling the Joker at the end and the Joker is trying everything he can to being like, avoid being absolutely just rocked off the side of this building where he's like you made me you got to remember like first he's getting angry and then he's like trying to pivot to something and then at the end nothing is connecting with the batman where he uses a bit

to try and save himself he produces a pair of eyeglasses puts them on and just goes you wouldn't you wouldn't hit a guy with glasses huh would you it would you way to be like shit i don't know how else to stop this beating and which batman replies with just knocking him the fuck out off the side of a building so the answer was yeah i would hit a guy with glasses because you're not a guy with glasses you just put fucking glasses on to try to make me i don't know what that was so it always made me laugh because just like, I just love how it was such a perfectly written last gasp effort. Yeah. Just desperation. Just as a kid, right? The idea that merely putting eyeglasses on has somehow exempted you from all of the other shit you've done. I was like, that's tidy. I like the logic of that joker. I'm also four years old. Uh, so, you know, maybe I can use better examples.

Anyway, so Trump is now in a pretty desperate place and he's trying to find a way to make his theft of classified material seem like normal and legal. And we touched on that this special master hearing that that occurred on Tuesday. The judge absolutely destroyed his lawyers by merely saying, look, if you can't prove these documents were declassified, then there's actually no reason for me to even look at them. Without looking, I know that classified documents are not the property of a private citizen. They are the government's property. So the only way that we can have anything move in your direction is if you start showing me how these documents were declassified. His lawyers tried to argue that they couldn't reveal any of that because it might be used as a defense later on if he's charged with a crime.

And the judge was like, okay, good for you, fam, but this isn't a criminal proceeding. So do you. However, you have to show me these these classification receipts or honestly i don't even have to look and i can just be like all right no i'm i'm really in favor with the doj because what are we talking about here so mostly legal observers agree that this has been a spectacular misstep for trump you know given that the judge was not some cultist willing to bend the law you know for you know like for whatever his desires were like the one like judge cannon in florida and because of like all the talk now about the special master and like oh this guy's i don't like how the how could he possibly come up with anything to save

his ass now he went to the safe soothing waters of sean hannity's show to talk about to get his big brain talking point out there that uh he did classify them gonna play this for you you you will hear in real time how even trump is like fuck man i don't know how to say this in a way that even makes sense but if i keep saying it maybe it will make sense so sean hannity has just set him up for dude dude, like, so here's the thing. Like, you know, like, tell us about classification. Like, how would this all work? Enter Mr. Worthsalad. If you're the president of the United States, you can declassify just by saying it's declassified,

even by thinking about it, because you're sending it to Mar-a-Lago or to wherever you're sending it. And there doesn't have to be a process. There can be a process, but there doesn't have to be. You're the president. You make that decision. So when you send it, it's declassified. I declassified everything.

Now, I declassified things, and we were having a lot of problems with NARA. You know, NARA is a radical left group of people running that thing. The National Archives? When you send documents over there, I would say there's a very good chance that a lot of those documents will never be seen again.

There's also a lot of speculation because of what they did, the severity of the FBI coming and raiding Mar-a-Lago. Were they looking for the Hillary Clinton emails? Okay, all right. Here we go. Whoa. We did a whole minute

to end up at hillary clinton wow i still think he's gonna get off though do you guys think that he's oh i always i'll never i'll never bet i would never put money that he's going on jail i would never bet money that he's going to jail no consequences ever like Like, for me, this is the moment that we get a surprise when you're like, really now? Wealthy, corrupt people do go to jail, do they? Aha. Okay. Maybe. But based on how he's talking and even just all like, you know, his other tactics, he's really good at all this civil shit.

You know, he's managed to like worm his way out of that and like, you know, delaying to the point that people just lose their appetite for this shit. But with this, he's just he's like stepping on like rake after rake and it's smashing him in the face that yeah, now he's really having to say, actually, I can merely with my mind declassify these very sensitive documents. Well, when you send them, Miles, when you send them, they're declassified. Tomorrow Logo. How much clearer do I have to make it? When you send it to Tomorrow Logo, declassified. It goes through the declassification magic tunnel. Send your screenplay to yourself in the mail. It's copywritten. Yeah, it feels like that.

Send keyword-coded classified documents to Tomorrow Logo, and they're declassified. It also reminded me of the when you're famous, they let you do a speech where he's like, when you're president, you can do whatever you want. I mean, that's what's wild about this, right, is that even his own fucking lawyers can't actually argue this in court because it's not real and it will cause consequences by just lying that they were they know they can't say that they were declassified because they can't prove that they were and they're not about to say that in court and we can't tell you the truth because that would be a spoiler for what we're gonna do in the big the big trial later on okay honestly like it's all fantasy my fucking the stupid bit i do where i'm saying

prince harry and i are related because we were born on the exact same day somehow is a more sound legal take sure yeah what donald trump is saying i think you have more standing yeah yeah 100 and you can just hear how much this guy is just grasping for something that like sounds like a real excuse i he even went on this other bit he goes on to say like that maybe the fbi planted evidence on him but i'm like first of all if the logic of having this planted on you is like well then are they declassified or because if if if they're if you're fine having them because they're declassified, then how could anyone plant anything on you? Right. Unless you're saying that these are the ones that he didn't.

He's just throwing all the excuses out at the same time, even though they contradict each other. Yeah, he's like, they probably planted something. And then Sean Hannity asked just like one question that completely implodes the logic of what he's saying. And it's kind of an amazing moment here this is him saying maybe the FBI planted something I do just want people to know that this is happening in like a golden like gilded room

with like it's a white walls with just all of the embossing and shit like painted in bright gold behind him I just think that's useful context like this is yeah i talked about home watching paths of glory and like the the speech or the scenes they have with the world war one generals it's like a little on the nose that it's happening in these like looks like

versailles where they're having the meetings where they're like we're gonna throw these people into the meat grinder because it'll get me an extra you know chevron on my well he's he's at the wawa version of versailles yeah he's at the wawa version but it is just like very very trumpy in and on the nose but here's it here's one of his last defenses where he goes when obviously the i can declassify them with my thoughts thing maybe sounds not as intelligent out loud he goes oh then maybe i just said it they're fighting over them or arguing over them the problem that you have is they go into rooms they won't let anybody near they wouldn't even let them in the same building did they drop anything into those piles or did they do it later there's no chain of custody here with them

wouldn't that be on videotape potentially? No, I don't think so. I mean, they're in a room. They're in a room. Nah, they're in a room. Yo, he gave up. You can only film outside, man. Sorry.

Right. He gave up on that shit so quick. Nah, that's probably not. All right. What else? What else? That's tough, man. up on that shit so quick nah that's probably not all right what else what else uh here you would sue a man with glasses would you he i don't know it's just it's wild so yeah there's there that that whole interview was chock full of really interesting stuff oh and just to add insult to injury the 11th circuit they agreed with the department of justice by saying, they're like, yeah, the stuff that like you recovered, you please continue your investigation with those materials. Like,

we don't know what the fuck this other judge is talking about. So he's not finding like not a single decision is going his way in a courtroom. That isn't someone who's like a total fan, which is funny because two of the three judges that sit on the 11th circuit were put in there by trump wow and they unanimously agreed they're like y'all like i get that he put me in but i know i know a little bit about how this works and i can't quite go there so we shall see see. But I mean, there's, there's, I mean, this judge candidate in Florida seems willing to do anything. So he at least has that card to still play.

We don't know where that'll end up though. Like you can't ride that all the way to the Supreme Court, right? Like, doesn't it get sidebarred? Like, like, isn't this a higher court that is saying, get the fuck out of here? And also like what he would try and appeal right now there's there's a lot of like legalese that i don't quite understand but with judge

cannon she she like had a new filing that took out the special master thing that she was like that she granted trump and essentially by doing that it like takes away trump's ability to appeal anything now too because she changed her thing it's an entire carnival of errors and i'm going to i will let everybody rely on actual legal experts to explain that suffice to say that things are not going well but also never never bet against trump seeing fucking consequences either yeah yeah i yeah it would be great if it really didn't go well but it's just it's so hard to believe and i just like like even as stupid as that interview is like i think if you looked at an interview in like 2018 he'd say something

just as crazy about something else so it's like he gets away with it every time i don't know just keeps one-upping himself and yeah not none of it matters no and it's also kind of an effective way for to just like grind us down to the point where like we've talked we've talked before about how hitler when he came to power was like front page news and then by the time or when when he first like came on the scene was front page news but like by the time he came to power people were just used to it and just being like i don't know like yeah we've what what's there left to say you know this guy's a fucking maniac and he keeps getting away with it and you know that's kind of what's happening here is just grinding, grinding us down. And if there's it does seem to be a culture, a society that we exist in that has figured out like the wealthy and powerful have figured out that they have no consequences.

Like that's not that's kind of the explanation for inflation that we'll probably get to on tomorrow's episode. But it's basically like, oh, yeah, we can just charge them however fucking much we want it doesn't matter like it nobody can do anything anymore to us so why would we not just do the thing that gives us the the biggest advantage over and over again yeah like yeah i mean they still have the confidence of honestly being like who's gonna fucking stop us exactly that's honestly you can just distill every meeting of uh you know movers of capital to something like who's gonna fucking stop us yeah and if they do we'll bust the we'll bust the unions okay yeah all right we got a fucking plan it's worked for over it's worked for centuries now but i don't know i think that is the that is the difference that I think not a lot of people are sensing is that a lot of people are outraged and are now being like, no, you know what, there might be something I can do about it. Not that it's happening in a widespread sort of pattern. But that sentiment is shifting where a lot of people are no longer interested in being like well what can you do about it right yeah i do think that like on my own life i've never just been so clear-eyed that like there's just no rules to anything if if you're well off whether

it's like whatever topic you're talking about you know and so maybe that's just a personal like personal interactions and readings of the news but like you know like i i started i run like a management company and a record label as i went my job and you just everyone you meet in the music industry i mean of course it's like full of you know grifters and sharks and con men but like that's the entirety of it there's nothing you know like there's just that there is no like you know leg to stand on to anything you know and i i don't know i do feel like that is in the air that like your average person probably recognizes that even more than they used to so maybe that's sure yes and that's why like there's no there's no energy for mainstream democrats and mainstream republicans

now it's like the status quo everyone's just like what the fuck like you guys don't stand for anything they're like yes we do what are you talking about look i'm at this rally no you don't fucking get it you're just you do that to appear that way we're looking for real shit oh really what about my achievements that i've uh very you know uh disingenuously pointed out with no context stanford harvard business school what about at this point like that shit really like i having those academic credentials i'm i'm like man you you are you are steeped in the shit you are like absolutely steeped in the shit right like of like private equity and all that shit well well but then they'll regroup with their like marketing team or whatever and oh hell yeah and then they'd

say hey you wouldn't hit a guy with glasses would you right except you wouldn't you wouldn't strike against a boss with glasses would you that's Right, exactly. You wouldn't strike against a boss with glasses, would you? That's pretty much where they can end up pretty soon. You wouldn't strike against a company that wears glasses, would you? Right. Yeah, they would. We will. All right, let's take a quick break.

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on tv and they were like tv huh oh for Oh, for real. Okay. I mean, you mean like that shit my aunt watches, but I mean, it really shows right. That like, it's the results aren't really surprising given how savvy, like younger people are. One of the biggest takeaways that they were talking about was that in terms of television content, they do not want to see aspirational shows. Less than 5% of the respondents in the survey said they were interested in shows about kids with like impossible, lavish lifestyles. Like, you know, like Gossip Girl Entourage type shit where it's like, whoa, oh my God, take me to your world of excess. Not really into that anymore. A whopping 21% want shows that deal with real world issues like family dynamics or social justice. They don't want sanitized portrayals of the world they're experiencing. Essentially,

they don't care to see these like very you know cookie cutter like sort of versions of what they see as like a world wrought with problems that need to actually be like wrangled with goes on to say quote hollywood has built its young adult content on the belief that teens want to see glamorous lifestyles and rich and famous characters but our research research suggests the opposite is true we We know from this and our race and class in teen TV study, the majority of teens feel isolated and upset when media lack accurate identity representations. Like they look at this and go, this is not real. Who is that? That's not a real person.

You know, nearly 27% wanted more black male heroes and 35% wanted more white male villains. And rather than aspirational stories, they want underdog stories about people beating the system or overcoming oppression. Like truly the status quo of like, and everyone lived happily ever after in their impossible apartments in the Upper West Side. Like that's not, that's not really moving the needle. And I think, I think a lot of like, I think young people have felt like this for a while. Millennials, we didn't really have any options. So we were always just like, I don't know what's on the big seven channels. Right. And we'll kind of take that for what it is.

But because of social media, it's offering a lot of people different options. Like 55 percent of these kids said that they prefer social media in approved by a 55-year-old white guy who's completely out of touch with fucking everything. Right. You know? Exactly. generation would be even more different for like in terms of their tastes and stuff given that like the information and entertainment environment like ecosystem that they grew up in is totally foreign from the one that people five years older from them grew up in right like you could go on you could go on tv and watch you know something on cnn where they're going to be talking about like well what really is on hunter biden's laptop or you can go on tiktok and like watch somebody

make a funny sketch about like american imperialism in asia right and you're like damn this shit's fucking true and funny and a topic that they won't discuss. Like it's just a, it's a subject matter. I won't see, or all kinds of like any other sort of interest you might have is sort of either you're going to get this really mainstream sanitized version on television, or it's just not there at all. Like you're not represented on television at all. So of course, you know, like as consumers, younger people are like, well, I don't, I'm not interested in this, like sort of, you know'm not interested in this like sort of you know

monotone version of what you know reality is based on hollywood development like meetings right yeah but the i guess the the problem i don't know what like people have argued that like tiktok is bad because it has like no fact checker working on it sure i think that's almost definitely true the problem with that is like like half the time like you know there's like the new york times doing something just absolutely terrible exactly you know so then i mean it kind of goes out the window i mean it is a huge problem you know you get kids get there like you know like my like my son is so like well you know versed in politics it's great like cutting and he's learned it all from social media you know i mean i think but and he's

definitely formulated pretty smart opinions i at least coming from my vantage point you know like where they're like they're nuanced and he's like yeah obviously i don't take it at you know base value what i'm seeing but but i don't know if it's any better than the new york times i mean yeah i was gonna say that like the tiktok at least is like just like firing random lies at the wall of all different going in all different directions will open new york the new york times misinformation is like coordinated and all going in the same direction to the to the point that you are like you could easily be mistaken into thinking mistaken to thinking like that is that's that's just reality yeah i mean just on paper they're they're both there are plenty of campaigns on like traditional media or social media that are made to create some sentiment that isn't there for sure but i think yeah it's like what what are you dealing with

that's different by looking at the two and i think you know one of the things that they just talk about is just if you are because i think most people are savvy like man i guess most people that i i know that are like younger and looking at tiktok seem to be pretty savvy where they're they don't always just accept everything they see as like gospel truth like that they are a little bit you know suspicious yeah well it's easier to be savvy with those two i mean like with the new york times for instance like when i read the new york times i still don't understand where they're coming from like you know like i don't like like what is the end goal with those guys like you know when it went like obviously do a lot of great reporting but like when there's one of these pieces that's like just absolutely

like pushing this like this agenda this new york times agenda we're all kind of like okay i know what this is like doing it again but then you're like who's doing this and like why and and i i don't even understand who these people like like there isn't like a a group of people who really support that other than the new york times. It's like, it's yeah, it's interesting. I was thinking about this with regards to inflation, right? Because I that was like a question that keeps occurring to me as they write about inflation. And the story they're telling is like not convincing, not interested, like it doesn't really hold together. And it's like based in this world of like supply and demand where like it's like this zero gravity theoretical world of you know

inflation and you know the rates and this and it's like it makes me wonder if they're pitching stories that are more grounded in reality and people's like day to day experiences and, you know, what you actually hear on earnings calls and like see companies doing. Like if they're pitching those stories and somebody at the editorial level is like, no, write about how it's because people ask for too much money in raises, you know, like, or or is it that all of these I think it probably is somewhere between that and all these New York Times journalists like went to these Ivy League schools that teach you that you are like a better person. you that you are like a better person you are a higher higher level of person because of these like technocratic truths that you are steeped in about like because you took econ from like somebody who is like a world striding fucking captain of industry and so you like you have very deep inside of you this connection between this overarching narrative that like it can all be explained with math and, you know, moving things around. And it is actually a meritocracy like that that kind of ties into your overall view of yourself and so like the at a cellular level at a like journalist by journalist level they are also like bought in to this idea of yeah and that makes sense like the self-confidence that just like this is the way the world is and i can't possibly see beyond that line right yeah i mean just hearing from like a multiple like journalists of color on twitter all

the time saying the same thing it's like they talk about the world through this worldview because the only people they recruit are coming from a similar worldview. So it doesn't even occur to question what their beliefs are. And on top of that, you're rewarded by the editor based on what your takes are. So if your take is a more employer friendly view of the economy and not a worker oriented view of the economy, an editor might reinforce that by being like, well, that person gets a lot of fucking work. Like they get in the paper a lot more than I do because they're talking this way. And it's like any job where you look at, oh, my boss likes this more than this. And to stay stable in in my job there is a certain amount of like tailoring i will do of my own personality or interests to stay in my job to get the plaudits that i want or the positive attention i want from my boss etc and it just kind of and it and it services itself because at the end of the day all of these people benefit from the status quo

and there's really like so yeah of course it bend bend over backwards trying to normalize like fascist people like in the u.s because like what are you gonna do have a like a real sober analysis on like what what like what the world looks like through the eyes of someone with less money because that doesn't really happen when we have people on here who like guests on on the show who are like journalists or like you know they're freelance journalists they're people who work like with mainstream media outlets to you know produce a podcast or something like they work in some way in the world of non-fiction a lot of times the sentiment like that they seem to give us after we

like hit stop on the recording is wow so you guys can just like tell the truth on here like that that's that's crazy like it like that they there's just an unspoken thing at a lot of the places that are like major media outlets that you have to sort of curb what you say like in order to get it published like you need you need to be sort of dancing on both sides of this thing instead of just being like no this is this is fucked i don't know why we've gotten away with it for so long but that it's crazy to me you do you know who i'm like yeah i know i'm talking about of course and i think that that shows right that in certain spaces like you're just conditioned to know that in a given industry certain topics are just like third rail issues right and not to say that

it's like third rail and that like it's you know a fatal mistake you'll make in your in your career but it's something that if you engage in has consequences on some level whether that means you're you may not get the kind of looks that you'd want to get into like a you know a maybe more mainstream publication or even if you're not even necessarily dealing with news that within a given field of study or whatever, things are just spoken about a certain way. And to, to run counter to that is like, you become a boat rocker. Right. And I think we still, like, there's still many areas where like boat rocking is absolutely like a no, no, you know, and there are other places where only recently it's like, okay, let's maybe, you know, let's not completely throw someone in the rubbish pile because they're pointing out systemic racism.

Like that used to be shit you couldn't really say. Yeah. Well, I mean, if you look at that, like that, I'm not well versed enough about this to talk in a recording because i can't remember that much but like that new yorker story where there was there was a new yorker journalist who i believe the woman i think she's a black woman who kind of called out the new yorker and i think new yorker is just such an example of like oh man like i you know do trust so many people like like uh steve cole or dexter filkins like There's some books of New Yorker writers that I'm like, oh, those are great. But everybody turned on her.

David Remnick turned on her. They just sold her out. I don't know if you guys know more about that story than I do. I just remember reading it on Twitter, and this is the most half-assed recital of it. This is in the last year. In the last three months, I think.

Yeah, she sent out a company memo or something and then just got like, right, just run out basically, you know, and it's like, that's like the place where you'd be like, that wouldn't happen because those people are smart and decent and wonderful. Or so that, you know, I mean, a lot of people would say that. So it's just a surprise, you know, there wasn't more backing for her, you know? Yeah. I love the New Yorker. I love telling people when I read an article in the New Yorker and talking about it and, you know, just practicing reading comprehension. So I look smart. But the but they like I've I've had my eye on them ever since ever since they covered Havana syndrome with just like perfect credulity and like basically cia

talking points i've been like huh like maybe maybe there's more there than me ci because they have great writers but like that doesn't stop them from having government contacts that they trade information for or you know but yeah that does any mainstream journalistic institution at this point i feel like is is probably you know prone to this sort of thing at least it's weird yeah well and i think i think the biggest like we just have this pattern in the world, especially in America, where like if there is a adjacent controversy to something that's like a truth, it's much easier to pour, you know, the effects of white supremacy in every industry, it became about white supremacy in policing. Right. And then companies were able to do this thing of like, yeah, and we're going to, and we're

getting into it too. Yeah. We're going to, we're going to check. Yeah. We're also going to really heavily invest in this without sincerely doing it. Many places have not sincerely do it because i think that there's just like this pattern of like well if you grapple enough with the adjacent thing you you can avoid having a real reckoning with your own shit but you better go all in on whatever

the scandal du jour is because if you don't put all your energy and critique into that then you will be seen as someone who's not taking a look at the truth here and we see this all the time it happened even with like the russian invasion of ukraine it was much easier for the media to be like i can't believe a country would invade another country that is absolute those are war crimes this guy this is unbelievable while avoiding our own history as a nation doing that many other controversies that are comparable but because they are not white faces we'll just ignore it so again adjacent controversy gave everybody the license to be like yeah and now everybody's feeling good about american foreign policy because of russia Russia. And we'll always see a thing.

It can be any sport or whatever. If there's something near the truth, just go all in on that because then you can avoid having to really look at your own shit and then you can continue down this blind path of repeating the same mistakes while feeling good about the little bit of attention you gave something for a couple weeks. Yeah. Well, Peteete truly a pleasure peter matthew bauer which is what i call you off mike i'm like hey peter matthew bauer how's

i did that family i did that like like when i put out my first record i was like trying to figure out a dumb name you know like a name and then i didn't realize like how that it comes comes off like a serial killer which i'm fine with that but then like you know you see these other people with like the three names and you're like what a dipshit and then i that and i wanted to change it but if you change it you lose like anyone no one will ever find your record so i'm stuck with it but i'm not proud right yeah yeah okay okay that's cool i i think it works and it does it does help for search engine optimization and it makes it easier to find your album, which everybody should go do right now because it's super dope. You did it with Matt, the drummer from The Walkman. He's on here and it fucking rips, man.

We produced it together. Yeah, it's so good. And I didn't read that until after i'd listened to it but i suspected that just listening to it it really reminded me like i don't know the the drums and then like some of the the flourishes really reminded me of like some of my favorite songs over the course of the of the walkman's history and really really highly recommend it. Well, thank you. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? I'm at PeterMatthewBauer on Instagram. And I can't remember my Twitter thing. But there, PeterMatthewBauer, B-A-U-E-R.

And I'm playing at, if you're in LA, I'm playing at Gold Diggers tonight, Friday night. Oh, nice. Yeah, so come on down. We're going to have a big party. And then my friend Lush Life is going to DJ till late. Yeah. Very cool. And is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying?

Oh yes. I chose one. I can describe it. How is that? Let's do that. The tweet is by something called a Scottish banter and it says just taking his fire for a walk. And it's a guy pushing a baby stroller down the street that's on fire.

And then they kind of pull over and it's just like this drunk Scottish guy with a baby stroller on fire. That's it. Very Scottish. Yeah, it was very Scottish. I love it. I liked it a lot. Yeah.

Nice. Miles, where can people find you? What is the tweet you've been enjoying? You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. If you like basketball, check out the latest episode of Miles and Jack Got Mad Boosties. We're getting closer to the season starting finally. And also check me out on 420 Day Fiance if you like trash reality shows. Some tweets I like. First one is from at Tyler Danucci. He texted, I have texted, quote, did you know Ron Paul delivered Selena

to maybe two dozen people today? I haven't known peace since I've learned this. Wait, what? Fucking Ron Paul. The politician. That's exactly. Like Ron Paul's dad. Ron Paul's

daddy is the one who delivered Selena Quintanilla. Okay. Like during birth, during childbirth. Yes. Yes. She was ushered into this universe by fucking Ron Paul. Wow.

Pulled Selena from the breach and onto physical life onto this plane on April 16th, 1971 at Freeport Community Hospital. Yeah. So, fucking wild. And then one more I like is from Layla at Laylogy, L-A-Y-L-O-L-O-G-Y.

Very hard to say that. Laylology tweeted, seeing a boyfriend's handwriting for the first time can be one of the most jarring experiences of a girl's life. And I honestly, it feels both. Anytime you see your partner's handwriting for the first time is definitely like it's like where the rubber meets the road, honestly. Because you kind of look at somebody and like, I's like where the rubber meets the road, honestly. Yeah. Because you kind of look at somebody and like, I bet they have this kind of vibe handwriting. And then you see it and you're like, oh, you a chicken scratcher. Oh my God, man.

I had that with, I've had that with some of the like best writers I've ever worked with, like back at Cracked and they're, they're young, you know? Right. And I'm not going to gonna name names but then i see them right in person for the first time like five years after i've seen them be like some of the best comedy writers uh you know just killing me i'm like how how are they so smart how are they so let me see the handwriting and then i see the handwriting it looks like it only belongs in crayon it only belongs in right and you have to hold it

truly the handwriting of a five-year-old right right you guys have like good handwriting no my handwriting sucks but it's like not this level i have decent handwriting okay i think it was like what they're of the generation that like never had to pick up a pen basically i get like tired like i get out of breath when i try to write my hand like you lose the ability to do it if you don't do it my hand stamina is different than like caught like senior year of college when you're like i will write five pages by hand right now in this fucking essay or whatever now i'm like i i fill out like a fucking rebate card and I'm like, get me my wrist guard, please. Some tweets.

I've been enjoying the moon's wife at bookish. See, which tweeted the Appalachian mountains are older than Saturn's rings. The Appalachian mountains are older than dinosaurs. The Appalachian mountains are older than trees. Appalachian mountains are literally older than bones. The Appalachian mountains should be regarded with pure terror i just appreciate that i think they should be regarded with pure terror for a number of reasons and then ollie at i don't know i'm not i'm just gonna say ollie i'll link off to the

tweet but they said adam levine's dms are no match for james joyce letters and if you haven't we'll link off to this in the footnotes but james joyce just writing to i think it was his wife about just the the dirtiest shit like that you've ever involving like let me find one sentence one sentence if i am delighted to see that you do like being fucked arseways oh my god james and that was like it gets like much dirtier and involves like farting that happens when he's fucking her arseways he's just like a queefs yeah does he call does he have a term for it a bug queefs i think are just farts miles oh okay but yeah it's does he have a term for it or no no he just describing it just like yeah just having having a blast yeah okay yeah good for james joyce you nasty man i knew. Yeah, it's good. And it really does put all the sexual tweets and DMs.

Somebody was resurfacing Tiger Woods' DMs with one of the many. They're just unimaginative, you know? Yeah. Well, because, right, you have James Joyce, you know, just a great author. Yeah. And there's no such thing as porn hub so yeah like the words are doing the lifting for you i guess right anyways check that out on the footnotes you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at

the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes on our footnotes, where we link off to the information we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. And Miles, what song should we ride out on today? You know, Pete, Matty Bauer. You heard this track before? 21st Century Station. I said, I put you on to something at the end of the show.

It's by this guy, Peter Matthew. Wait, what's you? I can't wait to hear this song. Oh, my God. I'm really curious. I love this song because I love anything with intentional distortion or things that are made to sound like they were on tape or playing stuff through a guitar amp or whatever. That's i really love like sonically what's happening on this track yeah

it it made me feel like if you like found a kids show theme song that was made in like the end of like in a post-apocalyptic world and someone came upon the tape and this is what it would sound like where there's equal parts happiness but also like remnants of an old world in it that's what i get when i that's not that far i mean my my thought the whole time writing it took a long time to write that song because i just like would bag it and come back to it but was there was the image i always had was was sort of like a like at the end of the world or something really bad's happening like there's a mob in the streets like right kind of setting fire to things and like there's a pa system like a nightclub pa system playing the song like if you were like running for the hills basically that this is what the

radio would be playing on the way out but it's trying to be happy but yeah i can feel like it sounds like a party but it does sound like a party that might be happening while some bad shit is going down exactly it's like you know you're trying to get out of town yeah and it's yeah yeah and that's the effect i'm glad it evoked that okay that's exactly what i was feeling when i listened to it and i think that's what's great about it's like you've both sides to the apocalypse really well yeah yeah there's still some good moments in the apocalypse you know absolutely it's worth being like ah like in it you're like man this is also comforting too uh so here it is peter matth Matthew Bauer with 21st Century Station. All right.

Well, we are going to ride out on that. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's going to do it for us this morning. Back this afternoon to tell you what's trending. And we will talk to you all then. Enjoy 21st century station go check out the album yeah yeah we'll talk to y'all later this afternoon bye One for song, the stereo To the ghost in the music

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