The Daily Zeitgeist - TikTok Discovers Sex Panther, Blue Checks (Still) For Sale 11.01.22

Episode Date: November 1, 2022

In episode 1363, Jack and Miles are joined by comedy writer, actor, and co-host of Quick Question, Soren Bowie, to discuss… Crowd Crushes Are Frustratingly Preventable But Media Narratives Don’t Help, Twitter’s Blue Check Marks Were Already For Sale, Pheromone Products Probably Aren’t Brainwashing TikTokers and more! Crowd Crushes Are Frustratingly Preventable But Media Narratives Don’t Help At Least 151 Killed in Halloween Crowd Surge in Seoul Twitter’s Blue Check Marks Were Already For Sale The black market for blue checks Twitter is planning to start charging $20 per month for verification Why Twitter Verifies Users: The History Behind the Blue Checkmark Tony La Russa Sues Twitter Over Alleged Fake Page Tony La Russa Twitter lawsuit settled Pheromone Products Probably Aren’t Brainwashing TikTokers AN HONEST REVIEW OF THE PHEROMONE PERFUME THAT’S ALL OVER TIKTOK Why you shouldn’t buy products with ‘pheromones’ in them to get a Valentine How one perfume company misled scientists into believing in human sex pheromones CAN PHEROMONES CONTROL SOMEONE'S MIND, LIKE IN BLACK WIDOW? THE SCIENCE BEHIND THE FICTION LISTEN: Poland by Lil YachtySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio apps, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 261, episode 2 of Dear Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it is, of course, Tuesday, November 1st, 2022. Miles is wearing a wig and nodding along. Not wearing a wig.

I told you I was getting that hair transplant and i kept it under wraps i was wearing the cap so i could do the big hit you all with the big reveal with my beautiful blonde hair it's an amazing look miles you know and just that what was it something that had had to do with your halloween costume last night and you're like yes yes i am still rocking it uh if you can tell i'm also wearing a shirt that says ethnically ambiguous get your ethnically ambiguous merch okay shout out the show uh but i realized when i wear the wig with it i look blonde wig yeah i look like filipino julian assange or something what is november 1st it's all saints day is that what we were all

aren't you a good catolica over there yes sir it is it. Is that what we were all celebrating? Aren't you a good Catholic over there? Yes, sir, it is. It's the day that we celebrate all of them. Every day, I'm celebrating my favorite top three saints, but this is the day for all of them. The deep cuts. My top three? Who are your top three saints? St. Francis of Assisi.

Oh, you love animals. John. St. John. You gotta be one of those. Hell yeah. And baptized our Savior, Jesus Christ. Who else? Who else you got? And Xavier, I think, is my...

What's it called? Francis Xavier? I mean, there's a few now. Francis Xavier is my dad's... Not confession name. What's it called? Confederate. The one that you get.

Confederate. It's your Confederate name. Francis Xavier Lee. His favorite Confederate general. called confederate confederate it's your confederate name francis xavier lee his favorite confederate general anyway those are my top three but today is the day for all the saints to party yeah my name is jack o'brien wait hold on there's more there's more than that there's so i just want to point out there are so many fucking they'reors Day, Biologic Coordinators Day, Calzone Day, Cinnamon Day, Deep Fried Clams Day, Family Literature. Dude, this is like it's an inexhaustible list right now. That's like half of them. Yeah.

They were all waiting to they were saving up because they didn't want to tangle with all hallowed Eve. Exactly. As we call it around here. All right. Well, shout out to authors, I guess. Yeah. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Dead Gray Toes O'Brien. A little leftover Treehouse of Horrors spare nickname.

Yes. Even if my toes were dead and gray, that would not be the thing that people noticed about them. They would instead be like like those are very long toes uh that that person has fingers at the tip of their feet and then they would be like oh yeah and they're clearly dead but you know uh anyways i'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host mr miles gray mr miles gray because when he walks by anybody They say, hey, hey, you, you Smell like blunts again A.K.A. Grayler Swift

Because with this blonde wig Our guest was like, hey, are you Taylor Swift? And I was like, you know what? Fuck it Sure That might work Let's do it Let me see where this goes

Yeah, for sure Shout out to Well, speaking of our guest Yeah We are thrilled to be joined in our third seat By a hilarious and talented comedy writer and actor who wrote some of my favorite comedy scripts I've ever read in his time

at Cracked. You may remember him as the handsome fellow from After Hours. He is currently writing for American Dad! You can hear him on the podcast he co-hosts with Daniel O'Brien. Quick question with Soren and Daniel. And you might have heard him on yesterday's episode of Trends. It's Soren Bowie!

Soren! Hello! That's like the first introduction, Jack, that you've ever given me that wasn't just, oh, and Soren's here. I know. I forgot that that used to be my bit. I fucked up. It's been too long, man. You gave me a genuine one. That was incredible. I know. It's been too long, and I'm actually excited to see you for once. And so it's just, you know, absence makes the heart grow fonder of a Soren Bowie. How are you, Soren?

I'm great. Well, so I got COVID for a while, and so I wasn't great for a little bit. And now I'm great. Because now I can go wherever I want. What do you mean you had COVID for a while like longer than you thought you should have oh okay I thought you meant like yeah I had it for like three months you know I was like oh I had like that the bad three days to start and then I had like that recovery period but you still can't go anywhere you can't be outside you can't I like I was wearing an n95 around my house yeah yeah yeah eating all my meals in a little dark room and stuff.

Yeah. And nobody else in my family got it. Oh, that's amazing. I know. It's incredible. Man, they're really good at avoiding you. Yeah. That's incredible.

It was the N95 probably, Jack. Come on. That's what did it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm avoiding him. Totally.

Totally. I've had a cold for like a week. It's like I'm taking like all these supplements, medicine and like doing doing the things I need to. But it's just instead of keeping me from having a cold, it's just made it like a very slow boil cold. And my voice sounds sounds like I have covid, which is not great because now everybody's just like, oh, you're the sick sounding guy. We're going to avoid the hell out of you. Yeah. How are your avocados? How are your avocados?

How are my avocados? No, Soren. Oh, yeah. Soren, you have an avocado tree. Well, so this is how long it has been, Jack. I've moved. I moved right before the pandemic. Wow.

Yeah. Oh, my God. We don't even know each other anymore. And so I don't have avocados anymore. Yeah. I've got. Oh, my God. I'm so sorry.

I just embarrassed myself. It also means we don't have rats, which is anymore. Yeah. I've got... Oh my God, I'm so sorry. I just embarrassed myself. It also means we don't have rats, which is great. Yeah, because you were fighting those off with avocados.

Get one with the other. It's true. Or you get to do the thing where you get all these half-nibbled avocados that fall down and you're like, oh, thanks,

local fucking rats. Anyone who has an avocado tree now, I'm like, oh, you poor, you poor asshole. Because they are so messy. They're so gross.

Like every time they fall, you get it in your grass. And then you've got also you got squirrels come along like nibble it. And they like to perch up on somewhere. So if you have any sort of patio furniture, a deck or anything, they just sit up there and just make a mess of it. And you can't get avocado off of anything. It's a bizarre texture. Yeah. You just have to buy everything avocado color, all your, all your furniture. Yeah. The, the squirrels, like I I've realized that I have done a bad job of setting boundaries with the squirrels that live around our house because they're just getting so aggressive. Like one earlier this year came into our house because they're just getting so aggressive like one earlier this year

came into our house wow just like walking around and like jumping on the furniture and and then just like got away we just like kind of shoot them out and now they're connor mcgregor walk like through just alphaing my ass you know and then now they're like we went through three rounds of pumpkins on our front porch and they don't they have no fear of me i guess like once they've like entered my home and i was just like oh yeah buddy why don't you get out of here they're not scared of me anymore that's's what you said? Yeah. You can't call them buddy. They're going to be wearing your pajamas and putting your kids to bed tonight.

Throwing the football on the lawn with my kids when I come home from work. Hey, listen, is your wife here? Great tight spiral, kid. So proud of you. Oh that jack yeah the squirrel was squirrel was chewing a hole in my pumpkin like scooping out the seeds like popped his head out when i came out realized it was me and then just like went back to work oh it's just you wow yeah it's just me yeah on our block we've seen the squirrels eat the faces off of a lot of the jack-o'-lanterns yeah yeah i live on a street now that doesn't have street lights it's like seeing the squirrels eat the faces off of a lot of the jack-o'-lanterns. Yeah. It's fucking metal. Good vibe.

But I live on a street now that doesn't have street lights. It's like this rare street that's very, very dark. We have owls that live on our street. And so the squirrels are terrified of the owls. We also have red-tailed hawks around us. And so the other day, Colleen, my wife, saw a hawk in the middle of the street with just like a squirrel pin under its talons in the middle of the street as cars are going by. And the hawk is just sort of sitting there,

like trying to decide what to do at this point. And you're like rooting for it. Like go hawk. Yeah. Go please. One less squirrel. Thank you. Yeah.

I can't wait to tell Jack. Do you know, do you know the staircase? Do you know the, of course. Yeah. Do you, what are you know the staircase? Do you know the, of course. Yeah. Do you, what are you a subscriber to the owl theory?

Oh, I love the owl theory. There are owl feathers in her hand. Yeah. There are owl feathers fucking everywhere. It's definitely the owl. There was also a neighbor said that there, they'd been attacked by an owl,

like not three days before. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Which is all to say, actually, I would be worried about anybody else in in that situation but i think owls know better than to fuck with an alpha like soren bull you know

we they're they're terrible it's not like a cute we have barn owls so they make that screech if you ever heard of barn owls before yeah it's uh there's a noise in the night that's like oh it's not i'm not going out there. Very spooky. Very appropriate for yesterday since this episode's coming out on November 1st. Yes. Hey, look, All Saints Day is also spooky. And again, shout out to Anna, whose theory about the staircase I subscribe to, which is he definitely killed that one woman in Germany. This one, he just got caught up. You know, and it was just a bad look.

See, he got away with the first one. And so karma had to do a make good and be like, hey, man, we got to get you know and it was just a bad look you see he got away with the first one and so karma had to do a make good and be like hey man we gotta get you this one yeah it's like one of those like stories from the beginning of magnolia where it's just the the guilt from the first one finally catches up to him right all right soren we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of things uh we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about today. We are talking about crowd crushes, unfortunately, because, you know, the standard narratives of it being a stampede have broken out. that killed over 150 people, I believe. And that's actually not what happened here, what tends to ever happen in big crowd deaths like this. So we're just going to talk about how those things happen and the media narrative that kind of misses the point.

We're going to talk about Twitter's blue check marks. That's on everyone's mind because they're apparently going to be for sale for the first time. Yay! Maybe not actually for the first time. And I think, I believe our guest today is a blue check mark. So we can talk to him about how he bought his, you know, when you're made of money, it's easy. We're going to talk about pheromone products because those are making a sweep through TikTok and are probably full of shit. All of that, plenty more. But first, Soram, we like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history?

I found this just this morning. I was like, oh, this is perfect. I, in my search history, I have morning finger pain. Morning finger pain. Describe the pain. Does this use some of your experiencing? It's like, yeah, in my middle finger, when I wake up in the morning, it feels like it's jammed almost. It feels like just like tensing it, flexing it hurts a little bit, relaxing it, even like getting it up to like that, that full stretch hurts.

And I was like, it was, wasn't going away. So it's like, you know, I'm 40, 40 years old now. And they're just saying that. So you admit it. You admit that though. I'm admitting. I mean, like you admit it. Look, it's okay to be 40.

You're right. And I, there's just like things, like I got a shoulder thing that I just sort of live with now. And I was like, oh, it's just another thing. And I was like, well, maybe I can look it up and see what it is. And so I'm trying, I was looking up morning finger finger pain just like i look up all my ailments and i'm it could be uh tendonitis yay you can fix that or it could be what's that thing called where your fingers get all old and and arthritis yeah could be arthritis like the old people thing yeah and then you're just done if you got arthritis. Wait, so but why the morning?

I don't know. Like what? Because it goes away throughout. It works itself out, basically. Oh, Miles. You're so young. So naive. Everything hurts in the morning once you hit 40, man.

It starts your whole body. Really? I threw my back out this morning just like making breakfast for my kids. Like it just like seized up. I was like, oh, no. Yeah. You're like greasing. The wheels get greased throughout the day somehow.

Yeah. Moving around. But in the morning, it's like super painful. So it could be those two things. Or if narratives from TV shows have taught me anything, there's probably an alternate personality that when you go to sleep takes over and starts doing things while you're asleep with your middle finger and shoulder. I don't know

exactly what it is, but it's spooky and scary and you should start videotaping yourself when you go to sleep. Oh, I do. I love watching those. And your kids are going to be like, the man in the tree came back last night to visit me and you're like what again is that just yellow jackets or is that

i feel like i've seen that other places where like a split i feel like it's a trope that's like yeah but the lady in the tree is definitely yellow jackets oh yeah yeah fight club yeah and that yeah uh we're just spoiling shit left and right. What is something you think is overrated, Soren? Jute rugs. Oh, yeah. You guys know jute rugs? Yeah, yeah.

Real sturdy. You could fucking... That's indoor, that's outdoor. Do it all. I hate them. Aesthetically, I get... If you look at through magazines and stuff where they've got like, hey, here's a good looking living room.

A lot of times they'll have a jute rug and it's basically a bunch of tied together old ropes. It's the most uncomfortable rug in the world. And you can't lie down on it. You can't, even walking on it is precarious. It's like walking around on wicker basically with bare feet. And I don't understand them. I don't like them. And I have one in my guest bedroom and I hate it.

Wow. So that's an act of hostility towards your guest immediately by having a jute rug in there. Good luck getting to the bed. Why don't you sit over there on the jute rug? They're like, yeah, walk on that with bare feet, tough guy. And Soren is an alpha, so he always makes people sit on the floor when they come over to visit him well he's but your rug's so bumpy oh your little butt can't handle it they're also very messy they like they shed if when you when you lift them up underneath them they're just like it's just yeah slivers of hair it's like i think the dog shaved that morning or

something the only context like it works is outside because you're like yeah like it's it's basically a bunch of hay so but like it has like a square as if it were a rug and you don't feel bad when like there's like dirt and leaves and shit on it because it already is dirt and leaves that's when i'm like okay you can't get mad at a jute rug outside getting destroyed but yeah inside walking on one is very like it's like walking on a loofah i i also i will add on to that any sort of pillows for couches that like look like they're wrapped in a burlap sack people try and get like a lot of different textures going on in a room and and they want like oh you can't have all the pillows be comfortable that's insane like some of them have to feel like like shit yeah i have to feel like it's a penance to

use them yeah i want to i want to evoke like people trying to do penance for their sins in the middle ages by wearing burlap sacks when you sit on my couch i can't force my guests to wear a hay shirt while we while we watch a movie all right well then how about this pillow instead yeah they'll exfoliate your whole back i feel like it's also part of the movement of people like serving drinks out of like those like jarring like the mason jars mason yeah mason jars yeah yeah yeah like that just that idea of like we're just humble farm folk around here it It's like, no, classes exist. I don't know where to put my lips with these ridges.

It's confusing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, love a mason jar. Yeah. It is also a good way to note your allegiance to the masons in a subtle way. You know, the pyramid with the eye above it, above your fireplace might not work. It used to be you had to just hide your hand in your shirt

pocket like that and photos to let people know you were amazing and now you can just bring out the jars yeah i didn't realize that was like a mason gang sign until recently it was put it put your just like when you see dudes like back in the day like if they wore a coat and it looked like they were reaching for something like just to have their hand half in there that was like yo i'm with the shits i'm with i'm a mason yeah one of my favorite jokes ever on cracked i think it was a photo caption written by jason pargin was of it was a painting of napoleon doing that and it was something to the effect of like napoleon was doing that because he had to hold his dick up like what is something that you think is underrated i don't do this as often anymore now that i have children but going to the bathroom

at a party okay i love stepping away from i guess i do like so with at kids parties where like i i can put somebody else in charge of my child and like, I'm alone. I just, like at a party, like a house party, when I would go to an adult, you step away from everything. You get to be alone for a second and you can kind of like check in. You've got your mirror. It's just you in the mirror.

And like, you can like see how drunk am I actually? Or like, how am I actually feeling? And you've got, and that time is yours. Like people have an expectation of how long it takes to go to the bathroom. And you, that's all yours. Like that's just, you have this cushion of time where like, everyone's like, yeah, he's got to go. You got to go.

Your hands are tied. Like you have to be in there. Yeah. And it's just your time. Oh, no matter how gross the bathroom is, it's just me. Oh, it's the best. Yeah. I have so many of like my my my memories of like my youth

partying so much of my memories like when i would just think back are being in the bathroom looking at a wall wobbling and be like oh yeah and i'm like oh no this countdown has begun to browning out it is it's like a a beta test of going to a second location you're walking into a new room that's like new lighting different music and you're like oh no things are worse things are worse here yeah yeah how long because my my concern is always that i'm gonna stay in too long enjoy enjoy the solitude too long and then people are like what the fuck is he doing in there yeah you just said that's your time what are the limits that you would define so and you're like that and that's yours like don't go by society's rules like three minutes is that's like okay that's a

so you've got i think you've got a big window between peeing and snooping through like medicine cabinets and stuff and then taking a shit oh yeah like that no, as long as you're not drifting into the shit territory like you are, you have that time where it's like, oh yeah, three minutes. It's just mine. And I like to go in there just to confuse people and turn the shower on just to know that is he taking a

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back and there was a tragedy in seoul korea a crowd crush 150 young people died and in the aftermath of these i feel like you know with the astroworld one it was i think that the bizarre conspiracy theories were extra quick and and they were like it had something to do with satan and satan worshiping but usually the thing you hear is that it's a stampede that people are like kind of trampled under a stampede and it's it's a really kind of consistent misunderstanding or like misreporting of what actually happens because it's, it almost always has to do with fluid dynamics and not anybody in the crowd doing something violent like that. So the, the New York times article about this on Sunday, like that was

in the print version, like they had a quote that was later a group of young men made a hard shove down the hill chanting push push and that was like kind of the it stands out because the only real description of anyone like doing anything other the all the other descriptions are people being like we don't know what happened we have no idea like no like nothing seemed off and then like there there was a some people were claiming there must have been a gas leak or something but first of all it's like weird a group of young like how did they source the fact that a group of young men like specifically in this massive like wave of people was doing anything in particular but the truth is that

generally these have more to do with fluid dynamics and like basically when crowd density rises above four people per square meter and especially two six or more people get pressed together so tightly that they begin to move together as one unit with waves of pressure and release yeah and it's scary like yeah i've been in a crowd like yeah yeah i've been in crowds that get like that and it'll be like as a show's about to start at a concert or getting out and people are trying like a festival you're trying to like just people trying to move very quickly from thing to thing and it always is the thing where when you're in it you'll be like damn like you're shoulder to shoulder and like you're saying you're almost like i'm moving because everything else is

moving not because i have the space to move or anything it's like i'm being pushed from behind and usually you'll hear people at one point go yo stop pushing stop pushing like you feel that there's always this thing where people feel that they're being pushed because of like you're saying this like it's like watching traffic of it like the pressure building up and releasing like an accordion kind of yeah it's it's definitely freaky when you're in a situation like that, but never like at the scale of, you know, hundreds of thousands of people. Yeah. Yeah. There's this Business Insider article that they released after using the word stampede in early reports, but they were like, yeah, no, we interviewed this person, Keith Still, a UK crowd science and risk analyst expert who said,

I've not seen any instances of the cause of mass fatalities being a stampede. People don't die because they panic. They panic because they're dying. So you might hear people scream like push, push, because they're like trying not to be like suffocated by the other side. But it's like the people in the back who are you know maybe hundreds of feet away from anyone who's in real danger might like just do a small shove to like keep their balance or something and that builds up this like wave of people that can like have a multiplying effect and it really just like comes down to the people who are involved are in a no win situation when you get that many people into that small space. And there's nothing that they

can do. But the way we try and make sense of it because of like how, you know, I've heard it explained as like America's individualistic. So we can't like make sense of anything that we can't like blame on an individual person. You could also like i've heard people say it's the english language and the way that the english language is structured like it makes it so that we there has to be someone doing an act there like we rarely just talk about something happening it's almost always like someone doing the thing but it's very misleading. And it also lets the organizers off the hook. Like the,

you know, when people try to sue over this, it's almost always thrown out because of this misconception. Did you guys watch the Woodstock documentary? Yeah, no, I didn't. Woodstock 99 one.

Yeah. They, in it, they talk about, it's like, it's called train wreck. And they, they talk about, uh, they, yeah, it's called train wreck. And they, they talk about,

uh, they interview somebody who was on stage and like somebody, people who like perform at these things, they see the, that like fluidity of the crowd. And they talk about how when crowds start to get like really riled up, you'll just see like a group of people in the crowd. All of a sudden,

the whole group just moves to the right six feet, like out of nowhere. And they don't know how it happened or anything but from the stage you can see it happen where it's just like everybody all of a sudden is over and they'll kind of get picked up essentially and push and sometimes i think people just get i don't know i i always picture it as like somebody getting stuck underneath and then getting trampled to death but i guess that's not really it i mean that that can happen too but i think

the real the real danger is when people get so compressed you literally are just being squeezed out like you're like you're just being compressed to the point you can't even breathe and then you're just stuck medieval war where like in the middle of it everybody is just that you can't even do anything right and you bring up the organizers too jack because like the cops were saying in seoul they were like they admitted that they there, but they weren't there for crowd control. Like the 130 some officers that were there were there just to look out for criminal activity. So they were like, yeah, I mean, we actually had no, we haven't, there's no real guidebook, like according to like the police force of like how to like what to do for crowd management because the other thing they point to or this is like an or their excuse was also like well there's also no clear organizer but the fact is you knew like this event has been growing over the last few years and this was like especially people were there because this is like the first time

there weren't any covid restrictions in place so it was going to be turn up city like and they they said that that sold that metro station 130 000 people like passed through there that night so a lot of people were like you could do so many things like have the have the like station of the that metro station closed so people have to go to the next one and like walk through rather than just like letting like hundreds of like a hundred thousand people just bleed out into this one very small area and yeah just be like yeah let's throw our hands up i don't know and see what happens yeah i mean it needs to be viewed like there is a wave of water like a i people have said like it's similar to a tsunami and like that's really how they need to treat if like

yeah if there are that many people going through a turnstile to an event in like a small location like that needs to be how it's treated because yeah like the the fluidity of it is is kind of mind-boggling but yeah people talk about like having shoes sucked off their feet because of like just how much pressure and movement and yes suddenly you're like 30 feet to your right and like you haven't done anything other than be like picked up off your feet right but yeah it it just needs to be a crowd control a like human engineering like issue and not treated as you know something where the cops are just there to prevent pickpocketers and like that there just need to be very clear rules in everybody's

mind of like okay this looks like it's going to be more than two to four people like per square meter let's like we need to just stop people from coming here yeah like set up a blockade or something I yeah I think about like early when I was a kid and I would go to

punk shows or something and I was like scared going in there but then you'd be in the crowd and like everyone would be like pushing each other and you get knocked down and other people would just pick you up and I was like oh it's safe like everybody has this figured out like this somehow the everyone who goes to these already knows how this all works and this it's just not true like the minute that you hit capacity no one's in control anymore right yeah right it was safe because there was space you know for there to be like a mosh pit and then if you needed to get out you could get

out too yeah and it wasn't just like uh you know just a compact space for people to go jack have you ever been somewhere with your child in a situation like that i was at a thing yesterday like to your point miles about it being like you know post pandemic there is a what's that yes acknowledging i'm sorry i'm pretty sure miles called it scamdemic didn't he yeah i was like speaking uh you say because things don't just happen people do them to us oh you check out my favorite tweet later sorry yes i and that's something that i need to be wary of because we're not post pandemic. We are post a lot of the things that were helping us fight the pandemic

and like post shutdowns. But we we went to a like fair in our neighborhood that was didn't happen for the last two years. And it was just absolutely like so jam packed in like all these people in a small setting, like everybody was miserable like we were walking up and like parents were like it's bad they're like good luck and i was like ah they're they're just being fun like and it was scary like we we left after like five minutes because yeah i think just a lot of people showing up at the same place and not a lot of, like, there's just not this idea that, okay, one person is in charge and if it hits this number, you're done. Like you, everybody has to like go home or like you just need to start turning people away. Yeah.

We went to, when my son was young enough that he was in a stroller, we went to the women's march and we were like out in the street corner, this intersection basically, where just people started to like swell from each side and it just sort of like pushed into the middle and it became packed enough that people couldn't see the stroller down low but everyone who's like looking for empty space all they see is like this empty space right everybody's trying to move to that space and then they see there's a stroller there so now it's just like denser and denser and then at a certain point they're like we're all gonna march now and i was like denser and denser. And then at a certain point, they're like, we're all going to march now. And I was like, that's a bad idea. Like, we should not even like, let's just all go our separate ways. Like, this is bad. And I, it was a situation I was helpless in.

And I was like, I shouldn't have brought him here. Like, this is a mistake. Yeah. That's really scary. Yeah. It just sounds like we have to move past like the idea of like, when there's a lot of people there, it's not like, and then some joker is gonna trigger a stampede it's that when there are so many people there it has to be like like a second nature they say well we

have to figure out how to like alleviate pressure from certain points so we don't have a crush because we know this tiny district or wherever this place is going to be that you figure out what to do for people's safety and like yeah in the you know i think in the cases of like astroworld and woodstock it was a lot of that stuff was clearly because of cost cutting just being like we don't want to pay that much for security and then this one seems like total just absolute lack of preparation from like the municipality to like understand what it means to have that many people in a space and then you know having a

tragedy like that right after yeah and even going to the explanation of the gas attack is like that because that's one of the things we can conceive of as like an invisible killer but like like like an astral world someone was injecting people right and they were going down in the crowd it's like yeah no people were suffocating or going into cardiac arrest because of this rush yeah all right let's talk twitter elon has taken over and apparently wants users with blue check marks to pay around 20 a month to keep their verification status lest they be cast aside to the faceless masses with us normies, the blue checks will allegedly have 90 days to subscribe. And the Twitter employees have until November 7th to figure this out or they will be fired. According to Elon Musk, he seems like a cool boss.

Great leader, great leader, great leader, great genius, genius, genius. Yeah, I guess they have a thing called Twitter Blue. Yeah. Which is like an optional $4.99 a month subscription that unlocks additional features and they're just going to transition that into a more expensive subscription i'm trying to think of what you possibly would pay for what is it what does twitter blue have delete or like i don't know if it has edit tweets yeah i don't i don't even know to the point where you're like i can't even right exactly like do i need to have twitter blue i don't think

so but i think it's just a way to be like it's premium and then if you're just addicted to that word you're like yeah yeah i got and i got the premium twitter or the paramount but i think i think the big thing too is just also seeing it's like oh right this because i think a lot of people like this guy doesn't really want twitter you know what i mean like he was really trying to avoid it and now it's like, okay, well now you got to have this thing be a money making thing. And like first step is all right, fire everybody. And then make blue check mark 20 bucks a month.

Yeah. Is that saving money? Yeah. Are you going to turn a profit like that? And so Twitter verification was supposed to be about security and rooting out fraud. Uh, it was introduced in 2009 and it came

after tony larusa sued the company after a tony larusa impersonator account made derogatory jokes about him and i think they got that scared them but so soaring you do have a blue check mark hell yeah and i did notice that like around the time that you got the blue checkmark, your appearance totally changed. And you just took over. I'd always assumed you just took over somebody else's account. And once they had the blue checkmark, it was you were just a new Soren Bui, right? Yeah. I mean, I felt like a new man as soon as I got it.

It's like my world changed. Things opened up for me. Yeah. I'll give you a peek in the back door here, Jack. Cause I mean, obviously then they didn't approve your check Mark. Uh,

it didn't approve mine. Cause I have been, I have asked since you got yours, you've applied so many times. Oh my God. So it's the things that are different are especially if you're a writer is that other writers like immediately will respond to you like other blue check other people who are they it's like this legitimacy that you have where they're like oh like if you if you

write something to somebody or a reply then they're like oh okay i'll play this game whereas before like you just ignore everybody else. And that was nice, but then it also made it so that I couldn't fight with anybody. It's really dangerous to really get into it with somebody because you're never the good guy in that situation. In any circumstance,

it's like, if you don't agree with somebody or you're going at it with somebody, eventually, inevitably, somebody you know will jump in and be like, hey man, that person's got 150 followers. Just chill out. You're verified. Why'd you do a deep dive into their YouTube channel

that you found of theirs? Just totally tore it apart, dude. We did it. But that is why I'm able to just talk shit about you flagrantly and you won't say anything back to me. I will never say a thing because I have to pretend I don't know who you are i don't remember you because and you won't admit to knowing me anywhere except this podcast which is can be a little unnerving it'd be a little frustrating and it does drive my mania to

get my blue check mark right approved but i do like that even like for you start it does feed the idea of like well i'm a blue check and how does that look as i a blue check kicking dirt on the downtrodden checklist yeah it's like you've been there before come on star-bellied speech man uh and i i will find though that there are people who like dan o'brien is a good friend of mine if dan tweets at me, I never see it. Like for whatever reason, they're like Twitter's like, this is the riffraff. Like he these people who are not blue check. You want like they just hide some shit that you don't ever see.

Is he not blue checkmarked? No, he insists on. Well, you know, he's like now I'm starting to think it's our last name. This is this is bullshit. Wow. Interesting. Interesting. Famously. Wow. Interesting. Interesting. Famously, yeah.

Most, like, McCallaghan, anything that's, like, slightly Irish, they're like, don't do it. Don't do it. Right. That's amazing. Yeah. I mean, so, obviously, like, the security measure part of it melted away. Like, the Tony La Russa thing, like like he had to throw his case out because the account that he was like they're trying to steal my identity was like named tony larusa like what's

it called i'm having like parody yeah it was called tony larusa parody account or like it said that on the bio so right he it was just old man not understanding internet basically but yeah it became status it became a thing where the blue checks wouldn't even respond to us and also it's like chester cheetah has a blue check mark right so like i i'm not sure who was trying to steal chester cheetah's account or maybe they were i don't know that that actually makes more sense well i mean when you look at that though too like because you're always like wait so how come like these peabody winning journalists will have blue checks and then a hot potato chip also has one and then you're like oh right you can like basically can buy your way there too yeah there's also these have already

been for sale twitter themselves have unofficially sold verified accounts to non-celebrities if they just spend fifteen thousand dollars over three months on advertising on Twitter. Well, which I think is a smaller amount of people than you would think since Twitter ads are bad. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But yeah, you're basically giving them fifteen grand for nothing. Oh, yeah. You're basically giving them 15 grand for nothing. Right. You don't behave in a hostile manner towards ads you see on Twitter. I'm like, get the fuck off.

Whenever I see them, I'm like, dude, I wouldn't even fucking pretend to look at that shit. But also, wow, this is really what Alex Mack, that person who played Alexlex mac looks like now okay i'll always hit those three buttons those little three dots at the top and be like hide right hide like why i don't know i just don't like ads get it out of here get out of my why why though yeah they also got in trouble when they verified one of the charlottesville nazis in 2017 whoops so that's but they just like don't have it's the same social media problem where they're too vast to police and the it just becomes a free-for-all and like there's no way for them to do a consistent policy without like hiring so many people that the site then becomes not profitable so it's just i'm fine

with them taking away the blue checks from everybody making it like egalitarian because nobody and what that's essentially what they're doing because nobody's gonna buy a $20 check and that's what most people are saying and if they do buy a $20 a month check mark like that fuck that person because then you're gonna look like it becomes like a sign that you're the worst because before you could you could have a blue it becomes like a sign that you're the worst because before you could you could have a blue check be like oh i don't know like i they said they offered it to me you know like back in the day they're like yeah like they started like my manager figured it out but now like when you have it they're like oh so you're paying 20 bucks to elon for that yeah

desperation is just reeking from it yeah and so and people know too are smart enough on twitter to know that if you look at somebody's account you look at how many followers they have versus how many they follow and that's like a good indication of whether this person is the right person like the person you're looking for right if you're has any ever a question about whether this is like a parody account yeah you just look at like oh okay how many people they following how many people are following right ah i see that that last number is higher than the first number that's a good sign the i think the the fucked up part about all this is that like so many people are not critical

enough in their analysis at looking at anything on the internet that they're just going to assume blue check equals truth and there's going to be a ton of bullshit out there from these blue checks that most of the time you'd be like what the how the fuck did this person get verified from the epic times whatever like what the fuck yeah like it's gonna be all like just just a ton of like misinformation fest i mean that's why like everyone's just looking at this now and be like wow okay like the use of racial slurs has exploded exponentially and he's spreading like fucking like these fucked up homophobic conspiracy theories and then deleting him he's like uh is it possible what i'm doing the blue check story is meant to

detract from that which is like a much bigger story which is that yeah twitter's way worse that he's also doing some really terrible he's tweeting some really terrible things about like nancy pelosi and shit like that on right i i think you just you know that he's also doing some really terrible he's tweeting some really terrible things about like Nancy Pelosi and shit like that on there right I think you just you know that everyone's going to talk about the blue check thing because the blue checks are going to influence everybody else on Twitter and that's all they want to talk about right but the one

thing I feel like all of the most news outlets have been pretty consistent with some version of like damn Elon's first week so fucking real fuck up or some version of that maybe not so aggressive but pointing out it's like he's like fired everyone as it stands right now it's like just announced that he fired the entire board and now it's just him right now as he figures out what to do with it so i think most things are pointing to like he's not sure what to do with it and he's

making things so much fucking worse right now but what I know hey Jack Dorsey's working on his own shit now blue sky whatever the fuck it's called so this guy whatever the fuck it's called canceling my application for the blue check thing let me just because you guys made some good points it'll be it'll just be like Facebook

I think like Facebook was a place where everybody left and the people who didn't leave thought that everyone was like everyone was still there. It was still there. Everyone just agrees with me all of a sudden. And that just became this weird chamber. And, you know, and what's going to happen is there's going to be like millennial grandpas. They're like, dude, my fucking dad's still on Twitter.

I know. They're like, what? In the in the year 2045? Yes, dude. It gets all this fucking news on there. That's going to be me. Yeah. I don't know.

I'm like, I can't give up these numbers. I'm like, you're just hating, son, because you ain't got these followers. It's the only social network I still use. And it's like, I'm going to keep doing jokes, man. That's all it's gonna be forever all right let's take a quick break we'll come back we'll talk pheromones I'm Jess Casavetto executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil the 7M TikTok cult and I'm Clea Gray former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church.

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And we're back and from one social media network that you can no longer trust to one that i think is pretty much infallible at this point oh yeah fully embraced tiktok hell yeah so right now tiktok in addition to things where they're like if you see a bag under your car that means you've been targeted for trafficking. TikTok is full of users praising the benefits of fragrances laced with pheromones. As of this month, the hashtag pheromone perfume has more than 54 million views. And the claims, like, they basically claim like pheromones really work. There's one person who claims that like their husband tricked them with pheromone. Oh, shit. Like that's the only way.

That's the only reason they're married. Because he was wearing, please her. I think it's supposed to be pleasure. A play on that. It's P-L-E-A-S and then all, H-E-R. Cologne. While they were dating. But it's just... What a terrible ad. Snake oil shit.

But this has been a thing people have thought was real for a long time. But go ahead. This is what the joke Sex Panther Cologne from Anchorman is based off of. Right. You know what I mean? The same dated ass thinking. It's like, no, man. There's something in this shit i spray on me that

allows a woman to lower their standards rapidly suddenly like no but again i think it's like our idea that of like you hear some science adjacent thing and you're like there it is that's what it fucking was we're all just robots right yeah i mean i think we wrote about on cracked at one point about people in relationships where a woman when she met her husband was on the pill already she had been taking it for a long time and then when she got off of it she was like i don't like the smell of my husband anymore right where that kind of thing happens where suddenly whatever you whatever odory as a person you were giving off was at one point

pleasing to somebody and then their chemistry changes and you're like no no more i don't like anyone yeah there's a lot of these like human behavior studies that suggest pheromones are a real thing that there's like the one where they smell the underarms of like t-shirts worn by those pheromone parties and then yeah yeah it's like a blind test and then they like meet the people and the or they see a picture of the people and the people they picked when they were just smelling and the people they picked based on photographs like matched up in some weird way i don't know like those soft sciences studies like like I've become increasingly skeptical of them. I think I edited that article you're talking about, Soren. And I don't think I would be as on board with some of

the claims in that article as I was at the time, just because it seems like there's, you can really like fudge a lot of it. But the main argument against pheromones is not that like there's no way that pheromones exist in human population there's definitely like something going on with smell and like our reaction to smell when in like contextual things it's like one of the best senses at triggering memories and stuff like that But this is to say that nobody has isolated either how pheromones work or what the pheromone is that works every time on everyone. Yeah, you can't synthesize something like that.

You're like, oh, this is the one that, it's the golden key. This is the one for everyone. Yeah, right. This is the MSG of sense. Yeah, exactly. But that's what people, that's the profitable thing.

So that's the version that's going to get spun out. But in 1991, a company called Aerox wanted to patent the chemicals, two words I'm not going to try to pronounce, and use it in perfume and cologne. And a study was published by two University of Utah psychiatrists about the chemicals. They were on the board of the company trying to make money off of this. Love that. Love the disingenuous medical study too. Oh yeah. I'm invested in that thing. I just took, nevermind, nevermind, nevermind. Oh, it's so disheartening to like know how often that happens to just know that if you dig into any study, you're like, well, who paid for the study? Cause they don't just have don't just have money oh cool it's the people who wanted to be one very specific outcome and it was that like the autism vaccine one where the guy basically was developing his own vaccine and was

just trying to throw dirt on the other one be like and that's why you want mine and it's like if you fuck you just okay yeah now people okay yeah now there's just no evidence no scientific evidence that wasn't produced by people trying to make money yeah that uh there's no evidence that pheromones are secreted by all men and women yeah i which would be the first requirement for a true pheromone i guess i'm getting choked up talking about that. I really, I know. So there was a while ago where I got really into vitamins where I was like, I fuck, I'm the healthiest person on the planet. I'm invincible. I'm taking everything. And I started taking fish oil. And my wife at one point was like, you just smell different. And I was like, do I smell like fish? And she's like,

no, it's just different. Like there was something I was like, it was changing something in my chemistry to a picture in the wrong direction where she was like, I don't know what it is. I just don't like it. Oh, it was a, you smell different and stop it. Yeah. It was like, please don't. Yeah. Please stop taking it.

And it bounced back. Yeah. Old Soren. Old Soren came shining through when I stopped taking it. Good old Soren smell. Yeah. Something was like somehow creeping into my pores from it. And it was grossing her out.

And I couldn't smell it, but she could. So much of like TikTok videos just feel like that first semester break of your freshman year of college. When kids come back from college and like, dude, you know what I fucking learned in my sociology class and you're like oh fuck fuck you know like so many videos like here's a half fact that i'm gonna just say really confidently like pheromones ever fucking heard of them and you're like jesus okay what'd you hear because we've been saying this for years and like there's so many things like that like so so much content like that, or whether it's like, and this is how you self diagnose for this entire list of like, mental, like, mental illnesses and things like that. And you're like, this is not how to do any of this. But yeah, that's always has big freshman year college energy from these like big like yeah you learn just enough to be dangerous yeah out in the world yeah right yeah you go on a date and you're like trying to explain like why you know it's how hard it is for women these days type shit like i get it man we live in a patriarchy patriarchy yeah

yeah patriarchy yes it's all smeared we live in a batriacha. A what? Oh, shit. Just I'm sweating through the date. A baste, my turkey. Let me get my backpack. My notes are there. By the way, the Plejher pheromone cocktail is made of the same chemicals as those Utah researchers did their research on. So, so great.

So they're back for another bite of that apple. Yeah. It's just, it's exactly what you said. College shit from the nineties. Right, right, right. It's all very, it feels like a cousin of aphrodisiacs too. Where like people, every once in a while, you get these researchers where people are like, no man, oysters make everyone want to fuck.

And you're like, I don't think that's true. Oh,'s true yeah oh they do that texture it's like wait it's the texture there's something in it that you're saying is an aphrodisiac ah who could say no yeah it is usually your cousin you mentioned cousin it is usually your cousin making those claims yeah uh becca in the chat was saying it does feel very similar to when tiktok was talking about vabbing which was about dabbing like vaginal secretions on your pulse. Like to be like just to set off my natural. What? Yes. Yes. Anyway, I don't listen to TikTok ever. Wow. Wait a second. I got to get on this. There's what now? That's horrifying. There's what now? That's horrifying.

Yeah. I mean, what's also interesting, right, too, is like there are all these like really short fixes to the like the problem that a lot of our like information age is exacerbating, which is our lack of human connection. So like now we're going like all in on weird shit. Like, hey, just you start babbing. You just got to get this pheromone stuff and then you can start like connecting to people again. It's like, I don't know, maybe like this, maybe we need to talk about how isolated we're starting to become and how lonely we're starting to become. Cause all we're talking about are like the most harebrained schemes on how to

just like connect with other humans to our humanity. Yeah. It's like a life hack approach to other humans where it's just merely dab this on your neck. Like pickup artistry too. And it's like, bro, this is not your neck. Like pick up artistry too. And it's like, bro, this is not the way. It's okay. Yeah, sure.

Do that. See what, see where that road leads you. Right. Watch my speed run of human interactions where I go through and have a positive interaction with nine people. Oh man. I met a woman who, oh, this was horrifying. So I met a woman at a work event and she, uh, was, she like let me into her system when she goes to network, when she like goes around and talks to people who are also in the industry. Let's her into your system.

What do you mean? She has a system. She goes around. So when she's at parties, uh, party where she feels like a network, she, uh, gives a credit or, or, uh, takes a credit. And that means that like she's either getting something from somebody but she as she's talking to them like they're giving her something it's information that she's interested in or it's like they have

a job that she's interested in like that that uh relationship is going to help her build towards whatever job she wants hard counting yeah and then she also or if she's in an interaction like that she's also offering something that she's giving something and it's such like a weird way of looking at human communication and just being at a party and talking to people she's it's all transactional in her mind we are networking we are networking and she's describing it as like this great breakthrough that she had where she's like this is what i do do. I give and I get. I take a credit, give a credit. I'm like, I don't think

we should keep talking. What do you give me? What do you give me? This is a great event, isn't it? No, me. Oh, fuck. Probably for people who understand,

they read things like networking is so important, you know? And like when the people who just do it naturally, they're just, I think naturally just curious people. And they're naturally just going to ask people and just have conversations. And yeah, I think for some people it's like, I really need a very structured way to sort of understand how to do this. Because I think some people just aren't, it reminds me of like when I, when I had to sell cars, it's terrible at selling cars because I don't have it in me to like convince somebody to like do some shit that I want them to do. Like in that sense,

be like, yo, you really want this Ram man with the new Hemi and dude and Cummins turbo diesel. You fucking love this dude. You got a boat. Like, I'm just not,

not like, Oh, natural salesperson like that to the point where like, I was like the sales people like, just try and hit these fucking benchmarks man like when you're walking through it. I mean in a professional setting I feel like I'll allow it more

because that is like a little bit more transactional if it's like just like meeting people and like how you're interacting with people yeah a little dark. I can see that but I mean i've been to events where there's networking happening and everyone sort of agreed that like this is going

to be weird and awkward but it doesn't have to be that weird everyone the way they treat it is rough yeah yeah so what do you do immediately even before you ask a name yeah right no what do you do i asked first you're like can we talk about something else and they're like no what the fuck what do you do right by the way the movie black widow one of the villains like couldn't be killed by scarlett johansson because he had a pheromone lock on her meaning that when he's in smelling range she can't pull the trigger so yes it seems like it'd be easy to get around. A smell shield. That's awesome. It is, I think, a scientific mystery because we have the parts of our body that would be used for pheromone reception. We've just never found evidence that humans use them or secrete them. And so it is a scientific mystery.

And so it is a scientific mystery. And the way we deal with scientific mysteries is by being like, all right, we'll use it as a villain thing to the Internet. The Internet is Ultron. Yeah. Pheromones, pheromones are used to as a body shield, essentially. Exactly. Soren, as always, truly a pleasure having you. can people find you follow you all that good stuff you can find me on twitter at soren underscore ltd and you can follow our podcast listen to our podcast uh this called quick question with soren and daniel in fact you know what just stop listening to this right now go find it go put that one on it's uh we've been called the voices of our generation you'd really enjoy it i think yeah i think you would but don't stop listening to this podcast i'm really impressed that that you've kept your wig on this entire this entire it's not a fucking wig horn it's not a fucking wig and is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying yeah so uh this is it turns out it's a little older than I thought, but it's you guys know who Ariel Dumas is.

She recently went through and started collecting all these tweets that she thought were great. Yeah. Yeah. And do you know Colin Crawford? He used to write for The Onion and he's worked on MODOK. He's got one that she really made me laugh out loud it says me and my friends would have killed et with hammers i can tell you that much yeah i had that one too that one's so good yeah like when i look at what i was like at that age

i was no elliot i can tell you that much I would not have been standing up to my older relatives being like, stop! Be nice to everything! Virtue was not my chief characteristic when I was that age. I had to build that. Miles, where can people find you? What is the tweet you've been enjoying? Find me on Twitter

and Instagram at Miles of Grey. Also on the Basketball Podcast, Miles and Jack Got mad boosties. New episode coming out Thursday. And then also, uh, Sophia, Alexandra and I talk 90 day fiance on the other show for 20 day

fiance. Uh, some tweets that I like. First one is from Zach Fox at Zach Fox tweeted. Nobody's going to pay to be verified, but I would definitely pay to have a dual feature where petty arguments get solved in a public roast where we can vote on who won and the loser gets a shit deleted permanently. I like that.

And then another one, Sydney Battle at Sydney Battle tweeted, the animal sanctuary account I follow just made a post about how one of the elephants had a quote. I didn't know I was pregnant type delivery. That was so shocking that when the baby just dropped out onto the ground, the other elephants ran away screaming. I can already see it. That's amazing. Hopefully someone got that on video for the sake of the internet. Let's see.

You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. Some tweets I've been enjoying. Mike Scullins tweeted, if Freddy Krueger can really enter dreams, he must be very sick of watching me dunk. And Henrik Blix tweeted, I don't usually brag on here, but I just got an email saying I have, and I quote,

an outstanding medical bill. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode,

as well as the song that we think you might enjoy. Myles, what song do we think people might enjoy? Oh, man. I've been just i've been annoying uh her majesty by just yelling the chorus to the lil yadi song poland over and over so if you want to hear what's just become like like the meme chorus of the year in a rap song, check out Lil Yachty's new track, Poland. Cause I took the walk to Poland. All right. Anyway. I'm immature. Thank you so much for that.

Blast that out of your car. Well, we will link off to that in the footnotes. The Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That is going to do it for us this morning. Back this afternoon to tell you what is trending and we will talk to you all then. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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