The Daily Zeitgeist - TikTok Is A Bad Detective, Movies Are Horny Again! 12.13.21

Episode Date: December 13, 2021

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consciousness, and it is Monday, December 13th, 2021, which of course means it's National Horse Day, National Ice Cream Day, and most importantly, my little sister Caitlin's birthday. Happy birthday, Caitlin. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. 1, 2, 3, and to the 4. A hot doggy dog is just bologna at its core. If you're in a hurry, you don't have to heat it up. You just gotta dip it in ketchup. That is courtesy of Chris Mackling.

He said crazy facts for your AKA. I just loved the elementary school science teacher vibe of that. I'm surprised it didn't come from Jamie Loftus. I feel like it was maybe done in her honor. Yeah. Man, really she's got me thinking about hot dogs. And reasonably considering calling them glizzies, which is still the worst word ever invented. Glizzies?

Glizzies. Glizzies, yeah, yeah. I don't like it. Yeah, that's it. So we were talking about how in elementary school I had a friend who would just house raw hot dogs for lunch. It was disturbing, but I started doing it because I thought he was cool. It was disturbing, but I started doing it because I thought he was cool. He was a year older than me.

Oh, no, Jerry! But then I was like, do I have like, is most of my body E. coli at this point? Because I did that for such a long period of my life. But turns out, courtesy of Chris Mackling, you're alright. You don't have to cook them.

You can just eat a raw hot dog. In the same way that I feel like you should never boil a hot dog. I don't think you should ever eat one raw, but you can when it's gross. So you're not a boiled hot dog? Oh, hell no. White people introduced me to that. And I was like, I don't understand why you're doing this. Because you could pan fry it right like the way you slice them and then you press them through the pan to

get like a little crisp on the outside and listen I'm not about boiling 85 percent of meats fire is where meats live not in water that's weird that that is generously assuming hot dogs are meat. You know, they are more of a slurry in a very specific shape. But I always... In lieu of a song, I brought this hot dog conversation today. So you're welcome, listeners. Yes. Because I... So I associated pan-fried hot dogs with homemade hot dogs and then boiled hot dogs with the

street, like New York street hot dogs, like street like new york street hot dogs like where they're just like pull it out of like a a vat of water where it'd been like warmed for a couple weeks and they're always we don't have these carts in the midwest chicago had big cities sometimes i have hot dog carts you know chicago loves a hot dog. I grew up in the country and in the corn and the most like social hot dog eating I did was like, where you just shove the hot dog on a stick and then stick it in a fire around a campfire. That's how we did hot dogs.

That's the best way to eat hot dogs. So good. When they're like blistered and like kind of exploding. One part of them starts like bubbling. That's when you know they're ready. And the char. It's like violent. Yeah. It is. It is. And you can of them starts like bubbling. That's when you know they're ready. And the char. It's like violent. Yeah. It is. It is.

And you can do it at like five. No skills. At five you can just be like, jam, go. I'm cooking with fire. You feel like primitive and alive. Then you use the same stick for a marshmallow. Of course. You don't need a second stick. No.

Just use the opposite end Really Or the same end and get a little bit of Meaty savoriness Nami marshmallow Perfect Alright, well, you've already heard From both of them, but

I am thrilled to be joined by a very special Guest co-host Who you know from Fake Doctors Real Friends She's a fabulous writer who you can read at Vulture, The A.V. Club, Teen Vogue, Pace, The Advocate, many more. She is the brilliant and talented Joelle Moniz! Hey, what's up? Coming back to be Marvel Defender once again.

I hope y'all took my 90s nostalgia movie advice from last time and weren't caught up with Hawkeye because it is good oh yeah so good yeah oh dude and getting better in Vera Farmiga as like a covert villain cast her in this role more often so good yeah I'm glad to be back okay uh we are always thrilled to have you and Joelle we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the creator of Red Dot Comics. She describes her work well on her Twitter bio as finessed impropriety. I highly recommend you go to her Patreon right now to support, to patronize, and gain access to the relatable, the fantastic, and at times tastefully inappropriate work. Please welcome Kim Winder! So enticing. Yes. Hello. That was a very nice intro. Thank you.

Oh, thanks for being here, Kim. Did I pronounce your last name right this time? And it's like a, I always get it exactly wrong. Like, and you tell me and then I'm like, okay, I'm going to remember that. And then I remember the opposite. Is it Winder or Winder? It's Winder. You got it right. Yes. Yeah. Like in my mind, it's always been winder. Like there's no other way to pronounce it.

But literally everyone in my life, it's winder. And then I have to correct it. Yeah. I am that person. So I apologize. Winder is a much nicer sounding name. So I'm glad. I don't whine all the time. Well, I do whine, but not like emotionally.

I drink it. Right. Yeah. I was thinking winder, like sidewinder. It was giving snake. Yeah. Yes. which is kind of cool actually i just want to put that out there it's not not the worst thing you know i should get

like the lower back tattoo of a giant there it is then we'll change it yeah very yeah yeah kim how have you been what's going on uh i'm good i'm doing the comics full time now finally congratulations thank you that's awesome it's it's been like kind of jarring because it's still new like a month in and so i wake up and like oh shit i'm late to work i'm like oh no i fuck that i oh i'm not late i will never be late for work again exactly that's wonderful and the last time you were on i believe your husband was ill right and he has recovered and is doing better and has a glorious mustache as far as i can tell. Someone called him the sexy Ned Flanders a few weeks ago

and he... God damn it. I can't not see it. Is he saying diddly a lot? He's diddling something, I'll tell you that. All right. That compliment assumes that Ned Flanders isn't sexy.

I was going to say, too. He is. He's a hottie. Marge is clearly sexually attracted to Ned Flanders. I just need to stay away from T-shirt cannons. Yeah, there you go. That's right. You should be fine. That's right. All right, Kim, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about. We're going to be talking about another one of those. Would you date somebody who voted for the other party polls, which were relevant, I guess, in the 80s, maybe like before before the Republican Party were Nazis. But now they keep them coming. The results keep being bad for the Republicans. and they're mad. They're like, I thought you guys were nice. So we're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about the return of the erotic thriller. Erotic thriller movies are making a comeback. And our writer, JM, had some thoughts on why that might be.

I have some thoughts on why that might be. So, yeah, we'll get into that. I'm sure you guys do, too. We're going to talk about TikTok's Couch Guy. He wrote an op-ed about what it's like being sleuthed on the Internet. And it's actually very thoughtful and well written. And even though he's a college student, it's not written in like the five paragraph thesis at the end of the intro paragraph format. Does it begin with the definition from the dictionary? The definition of sleuthing, according to Merriam-Webster.

We'll get to all that. So much to unpack. Plenty more. But first, Kim, we do like to ask our guests what is something from your search history monte cristo balls so disneyland a few years ago had these like little snack size monte cristo balls so essentially ham cheese breaded fried and then you would dip it in the jam. So like the sandwich, but molded into a ball? Yeah, and they were tiny.

It was beautiful. I'm glad that was your take. Exactly. Monte Cristos are just so heavy. I can't eat the sandwich. But in the ball size, they're perfect. But they did it for one year haven't done it again so i'm taking it upon myself to find a recipe and make it just for the hell of it so i don't

i don't usually fry a lot of foods deep fry so i'm just kind of figuring out like okay should i have bread should it be like rolled in bread crumbs that just how to go about it and have none of the disney moms posted a recipe yet there's so many of them doing like they make the like disney mickey mouse ice cream bars at home now i'm like y'all are real inventive they they are crazy like i actually try to stay away from the Disney mommy blogs just because as crazy, inventive, and cool it is, it's also so toxic. It's very scary. Yeah. What's toxic about it? They just get all high school-y, club-y.

Like, oh, you allow your kids to do this in the park? And I would never go there. I'm done with that it's also a level of obsessiveness that is sometimes scary like did you see the lady who every detail of her house is a disney replication yeah her tip like the bathroom yeah yeah yes and she's like and these are the sons from tangled and you can see i painted them here along the wall i'm like ma'am there's literally nothing in here is not a disney reference and that's really concerning to me because you should have other things like as a comic book stand as a fan but like diversify the portfolio just a little bit get like two other fandoms in there maybe like the obsessiveness i i love disney i don't have any decor in my house just because like

it gives off murder vibes like yes so obsessed with something that oh lord yeah i i love it but i have to walk away here's my test do they reject the genius of the Minions because they're not Disney? Will they not let a Minion in their house or have Minion art in their house because it's not Disney? They're definitely not mixing and matching. On the extreme level, no. There's, again, literally nothing but Disney. I would say it's probably like 20 you know pier one 50 disney merchandise and then i don't know like world market for the rest like that's that's the breakdown

of and they only go to like world market to get something all for a like commitment to an aesthetic and like being into like you know childhood whimsy and like art that you really liked as a kid but like to be like nah fuck anything that wasn't made by this one particular company because they happened to acquire it instead of like some other company. It just seems. I don't know. It's like the people who felt betrayed. They couldn't go to Disney. Like at the start of the pandemic.

And it's like okay. You have to calm down. You have to take a deep breath. Because literally death and children. Shouldn't be a combination we're like aspiring to. That's really terrifying. I have a friend who like she didn't have stable housing as a kid but her parents were always able to grab enough money

to go to disneyland and so now disneyland's the most consistent memory from her like childhood to adult years and she loves it but there's still boundaries and other fandoms so i'm just saying it's the layer of obsessiveness that we really have to divorce ourselves from. It's too much ladies and gentlemen who are into it. The dad who costumes all the dresses. Right. Oh, daddy designer? Designer daddy? Something like that?

He has three kids. That sounds right. And a wife that looks like a Disney princess. Yes. Awesome work, though. Listen, the mascot skills! Dude! For real! But he skills! Dude, for real. When he made the changing dress for Belle, I was like, the daughter just spins,

and it's her regular peasant dress to the ball gown. It unfolds into the ball gown. The skills are off of the charts, but again, I worry. I mean, that person actually sounds more talented than Walt Disney. Like, it sounds like they have surpassed Walt Disney.

He was not so in dresses. Yeah. Right. What is something you think is overrated, Kim? Employers. Right. I'm a big fan of the subreddit anti-work. And I just love seeing, like, the attraction and movement with especially millennials realizing

oh they really don't give a shit about us like and that's not carte blanche every single boss in the world but just the thought of we're a family in the office but fuck you your kid's sick i need you to come in i just think the whole concept of the employer co-worker or employee is overrated it needs to change it all needs to be tossed out and we need to fix it because it's i find getting the idea of like what you've done so uh inspiring slash terrifying as somebody who's formerly like worked freelance i i the freedom was great like i really really enjoyed being like and i wake up on my own schedule and i'll go down on my own schedule and i'll be able to like focus you know in the early hours like what it's beautiful but then i was like i have to actually run the business side of things too whoa and at the time

I had undiagnosed ADD and it was like it was a it was struggle city out there but I do think that it's kind of cool the way the landscape of what a job looks like and how people are interacting with it is really fascinating I love it I love like people doing a side hustle in a healthy way. And then being able to branch off, kind of like what I did. And I've always wanted to be an animator since I was a kid. Just amazing, cool stuff. And now I fucking made an animation this week. And I'm being paid for it.

It's great. Literally the dream. That's so cool. Yeah, I'm very happy. Congratulations. That's very cool. I do feel like that is a trend that we're seeing with a lot of our guests as they're coming in and being like, managed to like put put aside enough money to like try and you know go go it without a full-time employer and my life has improved like 90 percent and it's happening on a much

larger scale too because the unemployment rates are at the lowest they've been since what like 65 or something crazy like that and then on top of of that, there's a quote unquote worker shortage. It's clear a lot of people are like, I can just do this from home or on my own or work in tandem with my partner and or partners to like, you know, get enough income to cover all of us. And I, man, I really feel like the pandemic made us more community oriented as a people. We were like, what if we just took care of each other and figured that out first and i think that's so beautiful any place that says they have a worker shortage i believe it's terrible management and a toxic environment so i've just adapted not to go to those places any place that has a sign says we're incredibly short-staffed they don't even have to be pissy about it i just know

people don't want to work there because of the people that are running the business i do love the pissy signs though like we don't want any cry babies has no personal issues would never take a phone call even an emergency a thousand percent dedicated to this minimum wage job like right you gotta chill you gotta it's you're paying minimum wage like you know what you're getting you know what's happening here these people are just came here for this little bit of money and to survive to the next day leave them alone seriously yeah and i also feel like it is uh it's being underrated as people think about what's happening with worker shortages, that people are like now capitalism and market forces have invaded every single aspect of our life. I think this is the third time I've talked about this in like four episodes.

But it just like you hear so many complaints of people like what social media, what our phones like do to us. And I do think like that is all connected, like the fact that we are constantly in a market based like where our attention has been monetized and turned into like a capitalist like property and then we like our interactions with our loved ones have been like are being mediated by like these multi-billion dollar corporations and manipulated like intentionally by these multi-billion dollar corporations like i think that is like when you don't have the humane and like actually human context of life that we had for so long it becomes unbearable to like put up with a lot of the shit that people were putting up with for a long time in america yeah it it reminds me of like early on in the pandemic when you saw all these commercials from big companies saying we care we're in it together. Now more than ever. It's so stupid.

Yeah. What is something you think is underrated? You can tell something's been on my mind, but telling off an asshole. I think everyone deserves a moment in their life, in person, to say to someone's face, you're a jerk, you deserve what's on your plate, Deserves a moment in their life. In person. To say to someone's face.

You're a jerk. You deserve what's on your plate. And I'm sick of it. And that's how I got fired. That's the story of how I got fired. What are you wondering how I got here? Yeah. Record scratch. Record scratch.

But yeah. My ex-boss he he was a total jerk for years and it got worse and just being yelled at i told him you can't treat me like an idiot and this is why you can't hire anyone and this is why no one will come back to work. And he said he professionally cannot move on from that conversation. So I'm like, do we have the same boss? Oh, my God. Listen, before I found Jack over here, it was the worst. I can't work with men in their 40s who haven't achieved what they hoped to achieve. Oh, my God. Maybe we did. Right. It's so hard, especially when day after day, you're giving everything you can to try to make it work.

And the constant response is, your ideas suck. I'm doing a lot of work outside of this space where all of this is quote unquote good enough. They had to come back and face this person daily who then feels the need to not only dislike your work, but then belittle you for it. Exactly. Yeah, it's very satisfying to be like, never again, bro. Never. I'm going to tell you all of the things you are. I didn't mind in a text message.

I'm not as brave as you yet. It's hard for me to say things. Oh, no, I I'm a very quiet person like around people. So when this happened, I literally texted my husband. I'm like, I think I might get fired. I just stood up to him and it it's just so relieving. But like I stayed there because, Jack, when you mentioned my husband was sick,

we relied on my health insurance. My husband almost died of COVID eight months ago. So I stayed and dealt with that bullshit because literally our lives were on the line. And fortunately, we worked out health insurance with me doing the comic but it's just insane what people have to go through and having that moment of like fuck you fuck the man i'm out peace it's great so everyone deserves it at one point in their lives yeah we've we've mentioned before that the theory that that isn't a theory. It's the fact that the reason that the Democrats would never give Americans universal health not being able to, you know, getting put into bankruptcy because of an illness like that.

That's part of the system. And that's like part of the the way that America like extracts inhumane amounts of work from people who just want to live. I would totally buy into that conspiracy. Like it just it makes total sense yeah keeping people under under their foot basically yeah yeah what a brutal reality we're living through wow right right all right well let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about uh why nobody wants to fuck Republicans. MTV's official challenge podcast is back for another season. That's right.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And so ever since Trump's election, there's been a lot of polling around quantifying the percentage of people who would or would not have sex with a Republican. are not as likely to want to be with someone that has a antithetical worldview, while conservatives are willing to like bang anyone, I guess, is like the general thesis here is that like, yeah, sure, fuck it. Like, which I don't know, the Republicans seem to think that this makes them more accepting and like open minded, which kind of misunderstands the the whole situation i have so many questions starting with what conversation leads to these studies no brockett totally banging democrats like you couldn't they just wouldn't have sex with you okay but i would okay but your choice too doesn't negate their willingness to you know right it

seems a foolish question i i don't i don't because i don't understand the bottom line results of this like what are we supposed to do with this information and also anyone with a brain could have told you that because most i feel like i feel confident in saying most democratic women would not sleep with a republican man because they don't want to die right this is pretty much the beginning middle and end of it like i just don't want to die i wouldn't be welcomed here you would want to get into some weird racist kink that i don't want to engage in like it's one of those like situations it's weird to me that the republicans don't recognize that yet they don't think they're racist so i don't know much about anything i think

it's honestly for democratic women like if i was to fuck a republican i have to actively recognize that oh he thinks lesser of me and i'm being used it's an act of self-hate to a republican yeah right but in doing that you're being closed-minded to his point of view my willingness to have sex with you isn't the same as my willingness to engage in conversation with you. It's weird to me. Like, you won't let me be intimate with you. It's like, you're terrifying.

Right. You would force me to carry that baby to full term, you jerk. Get out of here. I have dildos more politically correct than most republicans listen so the latest poll was released over at axios it polled 850 college students nationwide in november of this year and this is all being framed as, I thought the left was tolerant, which ignores that tolerance means that you express your openness through not discriminating, which is, discrimination is the very basis of the entire modern and historic Republican point of view since, you know, for most of the 20th century. But yeah, so women are more likely than men to take a strong partisan stance

in their personal choices. I wonder if it has anything to do with what you guys were just mentioning about, you know, differences of opinion around, you know, your right to have a say of what you do with your own body. They found 41% of women would go on a date with someone who voted for the opposing candidate compared to 67% of men. 76% of women would date with someone who voted for the opposing candidate compared to 67% of men. 76% of women would work for someone who voted for the other candidate versus 86% of men. And just 68% of women compared to 84% of men would shop at or support the business of someone of the other party. I feel like that's convoluted because you don't know everyone you're buying. Stop it.

If their opinions were publicly displayed and were, I don't know, actively harming a community and you were very aware of it, yes, of course you would not shop there. But otherwise you're just trying to get whatever it is you're trying to get and get on with your day. But I also feel this is, from the perspective

of the way Republicans are sort of projecting themselves into media right now there's this idea of like we're being left out we can't be in the mainstream i don't understand how you can be i'm against government and frankly individual liberties and i want everyone to carry a gun i don't care whether you feel safe but also please include me in all of your activities why am i not invited to the picnic why are you afraid of me there's such a boil the hot dogs damn it what'd you say we boil what boiled the hot dogs they boiled the hot dogs and it's nasty and foul you did not use the correct seasoning.

All of your best recipes come from the Black people you used to own. Like, it's weird. Get out of here. Yeah, I don't, I truly do not understand how you can want to be so antisocial, but also be involved in the culture at the same time. Like, lines have to be drawn somewhere. It's almost like they're wildly entitled and have no sense of uh the fucking damage and harm that their horrifying beliefs cause i just read a article that was all about what it was like inside germany after they lost world war ii

and just like the you know coming to coming to terms with themselves as Nazis. And it was a very slow process that involved a lot of cognitive dissonance and people just not being willing to recognize what they did. Kind of the same way we did with slavery. I really feel like it's exactly the same. Still do with slavery. Yeah. Sure. There was like, but if you think about everything that happens before the launch of jim crow it's like oh black people are free that's sort of

terrifying um keep them in their own communities just we'll just like gently exclude them from everything and uh you know what you can pay them two dollars it's fine like really really lower that minimum wage so that we can keep them at reasonable prices and we don't tank our economy and then it was like oh my god they're accumulating wealth cannot have we do not like them living better than us put on your hoods burn their towns down get rid of it oh crap the law people don't like that we are breaking the law got it jim crow laws now now it's legal and it's fine the racism is over what are you talking about it's such a weird, I guess we as people, and I just mean human beings in general, just are not comfortable accepting our roles

in awful things. And our best defense to quote unquote protect ourselves is just distance yourself as much as possible, as quickly as possible from what you've done. But also don't change anything because we sort of like how things are there was a a twitter thread i want to say yesterday or maybe a few days ago where a black family was selling their home in san francisco and they got appraised and it came in super low

but they had a odd feeling about it so they had their white friend step in and redecorate a little bit by changing photos had it reappraised again went up like doubled essentially yeah and a lot of black people are doing this now just call a white friend you should everyone should have one you need one good white friend they can come bail you out when things are sticky i like to keep white ladies around particularly ones that can cry on cue um those tears ready for me honey like let's do it and she's a good person we don't hurt her um so i feel safe in large spaces yeah that's it's it's trippy there's a different article today about a woman who can pass she doesn't try she just can people don't recognize that she's black and she lives in an affluent

white neighborhood and she just wrote like talked about all the things people have said to her because they don't know she's black and like my favorite one is like why do you have a black lives matter sign like that you're just out here killing themselves like a man wow ma'am so fucked in the head. It's exhausting. Jesus Christ. Exhausting. What a great time to be alive. Truly. Truly. Yeah. I mean, America's been bad.

A bad place to be alive for a lot of people. It's just like, I think we're now coming to terms with it. I just think every generation has to continually come to terms with it, though. Right? Absolutely. Especially because we do a lot to shield our children from terrible things for good reasons you should be able to have a childhood and not have to deal with the stuff then suddenly it's like okay so we're just gonna talk about slavery they did what to my ancestors i would be there crap that sucks okay now we're gonna talk to you about how we tried to extinguish an entire like race of people when we first got here.

What? That's awful. I thought we enjoyed Thanksgiving. That's not how that actually went down. We have to constantly go through this process of unlearning things that we've learned. And I think it's valid because it's the only way it can stay fresh and it's uncomfortable.

Like Barry Jenkins just did this great series on Amazon called Underground. And he spoke a lot about how he was like, I didn't want to dwell in it. lot about how he's like I didn't want to dwell in it but at the same time I can't ignore sleep I can't not look it in the face and address it directly healing my ancestors survived that I have to go look at it and stay in these places and try to feel and come to terms with what happened I think it sucks it really sucks but i also think it's vital yeah yeah i mean so this article germany went from their kind of national like the zeitgeist opinion was that

like their loss in world war ii and all the you know revelations around the Holocaust were a part of a Jewish conspiracy. They called it American financial interests had like put together this conspiracy. But as we talked about on an episode last week, like Germany has become, you know, not they're not perfect, but they are a model of like a nation that has actually accounted for, like come to terms with at least and is trying to pay reparations and like do actual things to to deal with their past uh so there there is a a path to it it's just a long and painful and fucking brutal one but like that the work needs to be done my roommate uh well she actually just moved back to germany her grandfather was literally a nazi whoa and the way she talked to me about it they they say we not you never talk about the individual families because there

is that great shame about just the involvement. So it is talked and still uncomfortable. But it's like, we all fucked up. And we're going to talk about it. And it was more of a community change. And you just don't talk about the individuals. Because it's just, she said it ate her up inside. Like, how could my grandfather be such such a terrible human you know um i wonder if america could ever get to that i feel like no i don't want to believe but i

also feel like we are again just as a country just like especially last year was any indication you know there was that giant swell of like we are not gonna let this happen anymore and we're gonna hire so many black people and we are going to like put some respect on indigenous people's names and it's going to be changed forever and then this year you see a ton of black freelancers talking about how projects that got picked up suddenly dropped agents just not calling back like it was just a complete abandonment within a year. And I think that's sort of our future trajectory is just kind of like these small swells of like, oh, we don't want to be that, but we're legitimately never going to change anything.

But please don't think of us that way. It's just, I think we prefer that contradictory state of existence. Yeah. I mean, something will have to change because to this point, it's been just a steady rhythm of people coming up against the reality of America's history and the reality of America's president. And then there is a white backlash. And, you know, we're seeing that. We saw that on January 6th. We'll see that probably in the 2024 election, which I'm certainly I'm as pessimistic about as I think I've ever been. And yeah, I just don't. So something will need to change. All right. Just real quick. Well, we'll dig in a little bit more on the Kellogg's and the details. Just don't eat any fucking Kellogg's. Don't buy anything from Kellogg's. They're the fucking worst. They forced their workers to endure 72 to 84 hour work weeks

and overtime was mandated and employees struggled to even get time off for funerals. Some of them working up to 120 days without a day off. Their CEO makes $12 million a year. Their CEO makes $12 million. They fired literally everybody who was striking, which is not only illegal, but just morally reprehensible. We've already gone through this with factories before. It's completely unnecessary. You guys can afford to pay workers. And I think that's really the thing we want to drive home today. They can afford it. This is not going to bankrupt kellogg's they will

be okay the price of your cereal doesn't even need to change that much you can still afford these not too expensive but sort of overpriced if you've ever looked at a brand name like these taste the same oh it's ridiculous it's been evil since day one like well like corn Flakes were supposed to cure the masturbation urges of people. It'll be so bland you won't want to have sex. Where is the logic, sir? Evil day one. This is even worse. Just one person's diseased brain that just fucking exploded all over like our entire uh grocery store shelves

and just like the entire history of the 20th century these bottom of the barrel fucks they gave their workers cookies they gave their workers during a pandemic they're like good job guys have a cookie that you probably made they're probably cookies no oh man but to your point joelle they made four billion dollars in profits last year profit not like they made four million billion dollars in revenue and like are struggling to stay but they made four billion dollars in profits this goes back to you know that everybody's talking about inflation and how like inflation's out of control and they're blaming these like economic indicators as though like paying people or like people getting money from the government. They're like, well, that's what it is. As if first of all, as if economics is not a complete bullshit social science, but also as if like the economy is like some physics based formula that can't be affected.

And the truth is, these corporations are making larger profits than they've ever made. You are seeing that in the way that the stock market is reacting. The stock market is doing great because they have just changed what people are willing to accept. They're realizing, oh shit we can like raise the prices and that's gonna be really good for our profits and therefore our stock prices and then they get this shit covered in the mainstream media as if it's the fucking striking workers fault and like that is the narrative that you hear that it's like the fault of the labor class for prices going up and it's like how how the fuck are are we like regurgitating

this bullshit well okay so circling back to hot dogs okay yes take us there the whole point of the book the jungle i think exposed today on uh workers just like losing limbs to meat grinders at this meat factory and there was outroar not because the workers were being maimed it was because i got a finger in my fucking hot dog like right and that until the public as a whole as us us as a community, really get pissed off, it's just going to keep going. And I think it's happening slowly, mostly because you're seeing it across multiple different types of what's we're looking for different types of workers. Essentially, you have farm workers, factory workers. You can look at the entertainment field. You can look at even sports. Like those guys are constantly trying to make sure you see what the WNBA is trying to achieve in a lot of their contract negotiations and things like that. I think as a whole, we're sort of come to this

conclusion, particularly coming off of essentially 20 years of corporations just being too big to fail. And like, you know, we have CEOs screwing us over and then getting the lightest of sentences and parachute salaries to see them out the door. I think people are getting there, but in America, we're not taught what powers we have early enough. And by the time you need to use those powers it almost seems like a fever dream you're like how would that even work it's so foreign to me i've never witnessed anyone doing it don't have a history of my family trying to achieve these

things i think where we've seen a lot of worker organization are things that don't exist anymore we think a lot about like rail workers and coal workers and pipe fitters and all those guys are sort of locked in and good to go and still you know bringing in family it's a smaller subsect so i i think we're gonna see it happen especially the more people like kellogg's decide to do things like hire an entire new tier of people without the ability to ever advance in the company they're essentially hiring people now i mean like you'll be a factory worker for life never expect to see management never a raise for what come in here work till you drop in and leave we see it in the um what's going on with like uh chicken farms and stuff the way those

guys are treated and literally peeing in bottles next to the food they're slaughtering it's dangerous covet is rampant there i really do feel like we're on a wave of worker action right now and they are like you said i mean i they're the reason that that is going to happen because prices every every economic indicator has gone up except for wages. Like wages have stayed stagnant for fucking like 25 years now. Like minimum wage has stayed stagnant for like decades. And they're just basically, you know, riding it until the wheels fall off. They're just like, yeah, we're going to see how far we can push this thing. And as the 2008 economic crisis showed us,

we're not the ones who are going to get left holding the bag. So we'll just keep on abusing the system until it spits out its last fucking, you know, chunk of change for us. And then we'll, you know, go live on our Island in the Pacific that we bought.

You want to know my, okay, so here's my theory. They're just waiting for the robot labor force they're waiting for technology to catch up to it and i really do think they're like just keep costs down as much as possible we will buy an entire robot labor force it's a one-time game with some technical updates here and there and we'll be good for at least the next what 20 years you could probably run on that tech depending on where you're at and how tactile

the robotic structure is. Whatever you need to do, how fast is it working, how quickly does it break down. Hopefully it's not a McDonald's... Trevor, what's the name of the ice cream machine that McDonald's is breaking down? Which honestly, I really feel like if we want to get tech people, listen up.

Get an eye on this theory right now. Just start making terrible machines for these companies so that they have no choice and and and make sure you write your contracts you can't use anyone else and we're the only ones who can fix it and then hire a bunch of workers you know and that's how we're gonna that's how we beat the corporations yeah and that is literally what the what that company did who made their who made their ice cream machines but unfortunately they like somebody else made a thing to fix it and they sued that company they're like no no no

no you can't yeah so i don't know i think they were like making billions though as depressing as it all is i'm i don't think i'm jaded enough yet because I do think we're on the cusp of a revolution or change with workers, especially Gen Z. They do not take shit from anyone. I love those kids. I love them to death. I was at Starbucks this morning and this kid, he had to be like 19, just goes in with roller skates. He got his one earring in just no fucks given love him and i just they i think they're paying attention and listening and they're

not going to let themselves be treated like trash anymore yeah so i i'm really hoping that before the robots come in we get gen z to either hack the system and overhaul it. Because, yeah, I think it's all bullshit. I feel like it's going to take all of us. I don't want to leave it to just the kids. We're all here. We're all doing it. That's true.

Yes. Kids, you inspire me so much. Thank you for being your beautiful, unique selves and not taking shit. Thank you for reminding me that I don't need to take shit, but also super here with you. Just ready to fight the good fight because it's going to be a doozy of an effort. Oh yeah. A doozy.

I mean, it's also as the baby boomers and silent generation, I guess, and Joe Biden and Donald Trump's case, like mercifully die off. Hopefully there will be a dual action of younger pro-socialist generations taking over as like this just wildly out of touch and pathologically selfish generation disappears that is my hope to believe but i see so many another brand of the same use just being like oh that seems like the life right there. I'm going to emulate that to a T.

We got to switch those guys' minds before they get too old and too in power. Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back and talk about Couch Guy. Hopefully get to talk about some erotic thrillers. MTV's official challenge podcast is back for another season. That's right.

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where his girlfriend came to surprise him, his long-distance girlfriend came to surprise him at college. The video showed her showing up, him being surprised, getting up from the couch and giving her a hug. And this kicked off a level of just analysis, And this kicked off a level of just analysis, frame by frame, just deep diving into, you know, body language expert analysis, which is a made up thing that the mainstream media loves to pretend exists. of this couch guy because he did not seem excited enough to see his girlfriend his long distance girlfriend in the 10 seconds i think it was like one of the shortest i i couldn't believe when i finally saw the video that everybody was talking about it was insane like a lot and it was just like two weeks of couch guy content honestly to me he just he looked stoned that was the whole reason why he was slow to get up but it just all the videos on tiktok like it was a vile hashtag and she even made merch the girlfriend it it was crazy yeah make that money while you can you know this is gonna last 10 seconds you said let me get some coin real quick that's a vacation i love

entrepreneurship it's beautiful i wonder how much britney spears case has to do with this sort of surge we've seen in internet sleuthing because i don't know if you guys remember or for the sinners who maybe don't know like a fan was like brit Brittany if you're not okay wear a yellow t-shirt and the next day she's wearing a yellow t-shirt on her Instagram and be really like bold about it like yo this is my yellow shirt haha and then it sort of devolves like Brittany's really in trouble we have to help her and Brittany was in trouble she was not in a good way and she really did need help and I think it's interesting I just wonder that and George and Karen for my favorite murder or the serial podcast has really brought this boom in true crime there's even a game now that you can play which I forget the name of it right now but essentially it allows you to play being a detective but all the

money you put into this game goes into trying to solve cold cases and there's a lot of people who feel empowered around this idea of like oh as like again as a community we can connect do what the police who a lot of us are against can't do and solve these crimes but i do think that people have to keep in mind that they're amateurs and that i'm for there are other real people on the other sides of these questions and you could do a ton of damage digging through someone's personal life try or blowing them up like they did couch guy or you know like basically trying to sick eventually the the only goal is like oh well we'll send the police in because we don't have any power in this situation. And you've never met these people and you're not an actual detective.

If you don't really know what you're doing, it's very messy. Yeah, there are these examples that kind of pick up speed, like cause this trend to pick up speed. Like Gabby Petito was also one. I hadn't realized this but our producer Becca new producer shout out new producer Becca Ramos put this story and was pointing out that like that was an example where people were like something's wrong here when she went missing and were like analyzing the previous videos and something was wrong but then there are examples like Sabrina Prater, who is a 34-year-old contractor and trans woman who went viral in November after posting a video of herself dancing in a basement

that was mid-renovation. And people jumped on it and were like, bad vibes. There were like these transphobic comparisons to Buffalo Bill from The Silence of the Lambs. And people started to speculate that she was a serial killer. And just it got very, like, dark and was based on nothing. The couch guy thing, you know, this guy writes pretty well, either because he's telling the truth or he's a master manipulator. We don't know. He has a great editor. Yeah, I think that's probably the answer is that he has a great editor.

But, you know, where these things just get away, like they take on a life of their own. There were people like waiting outside of his room. There were people like sliding notes under his door. Oh, hell no. There were. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was very scary like yeah like i understand the community wanting to help solve like britney uh being in trouble or

a murdered instagrammer but the dude the speculation was literally he might be cheating on his girlfriend that right it does not need that kind of focus. That does not require your assistance. Yeah. Right. Or comments. That's not your business. Yeah. Take it to a group chat, people.

Seriously. Talk it out there. Yeah. Giving the internet, it's a wild tool. We're still reining it in. We're still figuring out how to use it for its best intentions. And this is, this like goes back, this has long been one of humanity's like biggest kind of misconceptions

and like blind spots when it comes to how we interact with crime is, you know, the police will disregard someone's testimony, will be like, ah, she's making it up. If they're not like like if they're not playing the role that they have seen in movies of the victim of this crime like i was just listening the last podcast on the left show was like doing the lizzie borden with an ax. Gave her mother 40 whacks. For sure. For sure. Yeah. It was only 19 whacks, first of all.

But the police, because she was so distraught, shot her up with morphine and then gave her powdered caffeine before questioning her about it. And then we're like, she was so, like, flat. We, like, don't trust her. Which she probably did like flat. We like don't trust her, which she probably did do it. But like, still it's like this, this thing, like it's happened with sexual assault victims.

There was a serial rapist who was getting away with it for a long time because a young woman who like reported it, her, even her mom was like, uh, I think she's making it up because she's not like crying enough. And then finally, like the DNA proved she wasn't making it up. But it's we just really need to like take our personal like expectations out of it when it comes to like we are not good at judging.

Like the whole thing of like instinct and like I have like I have an internal lie detector. You do not like you do not have that. You know, the best police officers in the world do not have a real guy. So, you know, you trust your instincts, like, to let you know if you're in danger and, like, always be safe. But when it comes to, like, I've caught this person or I think this person's lying, you're do not do not trust your instincts you're you don't know shit i think it's concise yes all right do you want to talk erotic thrillers i do want to we're at an hour though okay i'm so torn do it do we want to get it? What do you guys think? I think we have to. All right.

Well, we can keep it short. We can keep it short. Yeah. Okay. So listen, Ben Affleck and Anita Armas, they had a new movie called Deepwater Coming Out. It was scheduled for release in January, which if you know anything about movies, you understand immediately means it might not be so great. Yes. This may not be a movie of quality quality that's where we dump our bad movies

january february and we might sprinkle one in march if we have too many movies slated for the year that's that's literally how hollywood has worked since the dawn of the summer blockbuster okay randos on the internet are concerned that j-lo has used her her incredible powers and connections throughout the universe essentially to kill this movie because yes anna and ben dated i think this is going to probably get pushed back maybe there are so many streaming services it'll probably pop up there because people are going to want to see ben and anna in a movie where she might be, you know, playing a crazy person. It's a psychological thriller. It's directed by a woman. It's set in like 1950s. People will watch just to hate watch. I think they're just trying to figure out where to put it. Everyone's going to be fine and make

money. So it's about an open marriage where she doesn't like him anymore. He's like, all right, you can have as many lovers as you want. And then like those lovers start ending up dead. So I think the plot is like that he might be a cold blooded serial killer. Or maybe, you know, you might be right. But that that is the first read that I've gotten like the summary. That is the first read that I've gotten, like, the summary. It seems like it might be... Okay, erotic thrillers are trying to make a comeback right now. Paul Verhoeven, who did Basic Instinct and is a pig, decides, like, listen, I'm going to make some movies. If you guys don't know the story, there's a famous scene in that movie where... There's a famous scene where Sharon Stone uncrosses her legs.

You can see her vagina. Right. This is basic instinct. Yes. It was supposed to be a shot where it was more suggestive. So she wore white panties, which would essentially allow for either a blending into the skirt or create a line with the camera that's like, OK, we shouldn't we need to push up a little bit. You weren't supposed to see anything. She didn know but he was like yo can you please take off your underwear why i don't need to he was like take them off it'll be fine i promise we won't show anything she found out in the middle of a premiere in the middle of the premiere watching with an audience a full audience that her genitals were now going to be distributed

A full audience that her genitals were now going to be distributed globally. Yeah. Pig. So now they're saying erotic thrillers are going to come back. I have a lot of feelings about this. I think it comes off the back of movies like Gone Girl. Excellent film. Sort of throwing the erotic thriller on its head because, one, it's the woman. And instead of going directly after her husband, it's become more of a mystery and consuming and bringing him back to her in a way that is so scary and manipulative. But actually chooses to dissect what it is to be in a marriage of not love, but kind of just being trapped, I guess.

I'm not married. That was the sense I got from it. And it said, don't get married. I think that erotic thrillers have a horrible, horrible history of becoming real world spaces for sexual assault and or rape. Many of them, which made it to the final film, which is deeply disturbing.

Also, I wonder if they have a place if you watch a lot of older erotic thrillers particularly ones from the 70s and 80s i don't know how well these translate to our modern times to this modern era i don't know what do you think jack i so i think that first of all so the pa Paul Verhoeven story that you told with Sharon Stone, that is sexual assault like that is. Yeah, he should be in jail for that. Instead, he is part of this like new wave of like he's making a erotic thriller and people are like this might be a new kind of era of erotic thrillers i feel i don't think that's going to happen with movies made by him or the guy who made fatal attraction is also coming back but i do wonder right yeah yeah okay yeah yeah and i do wonder if like i think there is the common ground for erotic thrillers to come back because I do think that because of like social media and porn and just like I feel like there's less closeness and people are more strangers to each other than ever before now and like people are more alone than ever before i do think there's probably like

added anxieties around like erotic and romantic vulnerability i think there's probably going to be movies that deal with that in really provocative ways i think they will be made by young people who have grown up in the era of social media and like with those realities present i don't think they're going to be made by fucking paul verhoeven but i also think that like some of the ideas around this being like a new wave of erotic thrillers some of these analyses are pulling in 365 days which was just i feel like so we covered that last year like it was the number one movie on netflix for a lot of the year. It was just soft porn that people felt comfortable consuming as a date night thriller because it was number one on Netflix. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, but I'm going to reject it because it doesn't fit into my big theory that I just said. It's an outlier. Get rid of it.

doesn't fit into my big theory that i just said it's an outlier get rid of it richardton richardton was a huge hit this year and after like episode eight it was just them fucking like yeah yeah but not any more than like game of thrones i think true and and and not with the with less of the like violence and chance for murder than like your typical erotic thriller has yeah there's definitely a hole to be filled like with true crime like coming into the main zeitgeist nowadays like uh murders only in the building or murder in the building with yeah only murders in the building yeah that's great i I love that. And then you got Bridgerton, Game of Thrones, and all these sexy type of films coming in. It makes sense that people want to combine them. But like he said, Jack, just finding the right voice, like white men, they got a point of view. And we've clearly seen it for most of movie history. They got a point of view and we've clearly seen it for most of movie history. Throw a woman in there.

Yeah. Hey, white guys, let's maybe set this one out. Let's see what other people have to say about this one. The Fast and Furious series? That's great. Just keep on going. The Fast and Furious series is for everyone. Yeah. We're family.

We have Bond. Let's go with james bond okay anyways it has been such a pleasure talking to both of you about all of this kim where can people find you and follow you and subscribe and join your patreon i'm mainly on Instagram, Twitter, at the double underscore red dot. I'm also on Reddit and Facebook. My Patreon, it's at the double underscore red dot. So I post pretty much every day, either an animation or a comic. And yeah, I'm fun.

Yeah, I'm fun. And is there a tweet or some work of social media you've been enjoying? I had a tweet, but given how heavy we've been talking, it was kind of depressive. So I would rather promote some comic artist. One of my favorites. Yeah. Alex Smith draws. He's the only comic.

I even have a tweet about that he's the only comic artist that i actively quote almost every day because he has like these animations and parodies of like lord of the rings that just it had me crying the first time i saw it great guy great art oh martin roser hot Comics, he's always great. Very positive. Great stuff. Just anyone on my Twitter that I follow comic-wise, they're amazing. And they're happy. So, just go cheer yourself up that way.

Yeah. Unlike this show. You know, find a more healthy outlet and, you know, before you go check any of them out, go check out the double underscore red dot. All right, Joelle, where can people find you and follow you? I'm Joelle Monique.

You can find me all over the internet at Joelle Monique. It's J-O-E-L-L-E-M-O-N-I-Q-U-E. I have two very quick tweets. The first one is at Rose Domu. It's the picture of the sex of the city ladies. And it says the fourth character is New York, but it's the picture of the sex of the city ladies and it says the fourth character is new york but it's new york pollard it fills my heart with so much joy it's so silly but i love it the other one is a request to fans if you can find this pin i will i don't know we can negotiate on

what it is you need in life i will try to make make it happen. I'll retweet you. I will send you a little video. It's a little pin, which I collect like an enamel pin. It's like a newspaper and it says the Black Times and underneath it is like a sub headline. It says, I love being Black. Shit kind of dangerous,

but it's lit. I need it. I have to have it. It's adorable and horrifying and funny. It's all things in one enamel pin. So if you know where to buy that, find me on the internet and tell me about it. That's great. All right.

You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. One tweet that are just bringing up a Bridgerton reminded me of and T Donahue tweeted, no. And then it's attributed to me being challenged to a duel. I feel like that would solve a lot of problems. Then we would have the great musical Hamilton. Okay. Like that was the detail of that. Then I was just like, what the fuck is this guy's problem?

With his kid too, his kid. He's like, all right, son son here's what you gotta do you gotta yeah i was just like okay uh and then rose dom you tweeted uh i wonder if carrie wrote about the insurrection in reference to uh the new sex in the city and then uh a friend of mine some guy named john which is his name on Twitter, just gave us a sample. And as I watched the QAnon shaman smear feces on the walls of the Capitol, I couldn't help but wonder, was my marriage the real big lie? Stop it. And he capitalized big.

So it actually, John's a very funny writer. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. Footnotes! Where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy.

And today, Miles is not here. So we're going to throw to super producer Justin Smith. Justin, tell the people what they should go listen to right now. Okay, well, in light of Kim being able to move on to better, greener pastures and being able to have the dream and say, fuck you, I'm going on to better, greener pastures and being able to, you know, have the dream and say, fuck you, I'm going on to something greater. There's a song called I Got Money Now with Deontay Hitchcock and Jid. It's great.

I, my sister, Joelle Monique, loves this track. She plays it all the time. It's mostly like I, when I first played it, I was like, what's going on here? Because it starts off with the little twangy guitar. And as a black man, I'm very's mostly like I when I first played it, I was like, what's going on here? Because it starts off with the little twangy guitar. And as a black man, I'm very suspicious of that. And then but then this driving bass line comes in and plays off the percussion so well. And then the first words are I got money now. And the hook, the refrain that it keeps coming back to is I got money now, bitch.

And he's telling this to someone to, you know, to put a fine point on it. The lyricism, the last per second, if you're really listening to the punchlines, they're every line just about it's a funny song. It's lighthearted. Even if you're down bad right now and you don't have that much money in your bank account, everyone loves to fantasize. This is how hip hop got started. The rags to riches story. So it's Deontay Hitchcock, D-E-A-N-T-E, Hitchcock,

featuring JID. You guys will love it. And you can check that out in the foot loop. Damn. All right. That's amazing. I just looked up the lyrics. I love it already.

Yeah. Also, just a quick pickup. Shout out to Rose. She's got, both Jackie and I shouted out her tweets. She's got a new show right here on iHeart Called Like a Virgin It is super funny I'm really enjoying it so check it out

Shout out to Justin Coming strong with the Great song recommendation Alright Well that is going to do it for us The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, you can visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's going to do it for us

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