The Daily Zeitgeist - Tired Racism, FLAVORTOWN > Columbus 6.23.20

Episode Date: June 23, 2020

In episode 657, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Guy Montgomery to discuss Trump's Tulsa rally, a petition for the city of Columbus to change it's name to Flavortown, Scientology trying to use Covid-19 to recruit, and more!FOOTNOTES: How TikTok Users Targeted Trump Rally Organized TikTok campaigns jammed up Trump rally tickets by the hundreds Did TikTokers and K-pop fans foil Trump’s Tulsa rally? It’s complicated. Duval County, Florida Survey: A Survey of Duval County, FL Voters Goodbye, Columbus. Hello... Flavortown? Restaurants Have Accidentally Promoted Coronavirus Info From Scientologists Scientology volunteers spend R100m disinfecting buildings and taxis to fight Covid-19 We Asked the Church of Scientology How They’re Combatting Coronavirus. This Is Their Wild Response. WATCH: Classica Orchestra Afrobeat - Zombie Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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My name is Jack O'Brien A.K.A. No more Mr. Nice Guy Miles Gray Jack O'B On the Daily zeitgeist we say fuck trump he's obscene uh that is courtesy of wash your damn hands uh good good advice and i'm thrilled to be joined once again by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray.

So let's defund the cops, even if it takes all night. Let's defund the cops or abolish them outright. Okay, thank you so much to the one and only At Pink Politic, a Liverpool fan You know, a shout out to all Liverpool fans The Premier League started My life is a disaster since the Premier League started But that's okay Shout out to people doing okay

Thank you for that, aka I'm ready for the world I did see Arsenal trending And, like, I now get a pit in my stomach When I see Arsenal trending Because I'm like, damn, man. Like, it's just never good news for you. We're actually – we are a Simpsons bit.

You know, like, when Homer was in the ambulance and then hit a tree and he fell at the back of the ambulance and then fell down? There was a meme made of just since Wednesday what's happened. Our goalkeeper, who is by far one of our best players, horrifically injured his knee in a game that I saw live at seven in the morning I was like oh your leg shouldn't bend like that and then immediately I'm like why did this even start I didn't need this pain but hey people need distractions and I don't need this one well we are thrilled to be

joined in our third seat all the way from the the capital of the world i would say at this point the high point of civilization to heaven uh he is mr the talented the hilarious guy montgomery uh oh it's guy do do do. Back on the daily zeitgeist. Oh, whoa, whoa. A little hold of life right there. Yeah, that's right. Back on the daily zeitgeist. I got submitted that.

Because the last time I did this, I think I just made one up. And it wasn't up to standard, obviously. I should have gone for the falsetto. I've been wary of my singing volume, of course, because it is 6.42 a.m. Such is my thirst, my unquenchable appetite to discuss American current events. But I would like to say a huge thank you to Podge Moran

for submitting that. I think I complained last time and then they sent one in. They said, try this. And I had it saved. Podge Moran for submitting that. I think I complained last time, and then they sent one in. They said, try this. And I had it saved. That's Podge. And I really think I hit a home run there. Yeah. Wow.

I couldn't agree more. Nailing that Yankee talk, my man. Yeah. Yeah, that's not even a thing. We were hit for six on that one. Hey, that's cricket terminology. I actually, yesterday, I had to go to a toy store two days ago. We were hit for six on that one. Hey, that's cricket terminology. Actually, yesterday, I had to go to a toy store two days ago.

I was on my way to a fourth birthday party, and we went with my partner. Okay, stop throwing it in our face that you can go to a party where people congregate, and then you went to a store, like it's February 2020. Okay, go on. I'm sorry. That is actually, I am genuinely sorry about that. It didn't occur to me that this anecdote would be so illicit

It's very boring Anyway The long and short of it is I went back to the toy store the next day By myself The best way to shop at a toy store And I found a card game Which is a test cricket card game

Which is like baseball And you can play it as one player Isn't that great? your set like solitaire but very nice yeah but a sports card game i know i'm the coolest i'm the coolest dude in town we're in uh what city in new zealand are you in auckland auckland new zealand all right best known in california yeah best known for that hilarious full house episode where they were going to oakland but uh some of the kids accidentally got on a flight to auckland uh that happened and yeah i don't think they actually flew

the kids to auckland not unless the full house went way more method than we thought yeah oh man i don't remember that one. And I feel like there are only like five seasons of Full House. There's only three bits that every episode engaged in, so I don't remember that one. That seems like somewhat avant-garde for the Full House sense of humor.

Like it's really pushing boundaries. Yeah, they're counting on us to be like, oh, no, watch, they're going to go to Auckland, New Zealand, and then they're going on us to be like oh no that they oh watch they're gonna go to auckland new zealand then they're gonna be in trouble people like what the how do you spell why spell in oakland like that to acknowledge that there's a a country that's outside of the united states seems progressive do you know how ludicrous the the impact of american media is that even now when I watch television programs from any era or any moment or movies,

as soon as the characters say to each other, you know, they're always like, well, what are we going to do? Run away to New Zealand? I still go, I still will high five whoever I'm sitting with and I'll be like, yeah, they know we're out here.

It's insane. Put you guys on the map. Well, speaking of putting you guys on the map well speaking we we owe you a big time yeah you're welcome guy you're welcome uh i do want to say it's rare that i get to see like the seasons change uh in any way uh but i do notice that it's getting darker uh over the course of uh having you on the show uh over quarantine it's now it used to be like sort of hazy dusky morning glow in the background and now it is pitch dark but you know jack the second by the time we end though it always looks different remember what guy looks like now because like the sun's about to set and i'm always like then i feel like i'm getting out of a bar from like morning

drinking and i'm like exactly it's light out wow man he's surfing around and stuff yeah yeah um can i just say fellas lovely to see you yeah Yeah, man. And all my best wishes. I honestly was so excited when I saw that you were going to be on the show when I looked about a week ago because I was just reading all about New Zealand and how there was a full-on rugby match because you guys did the right thing, listen to experts. Granted, it's a much smaller smaller country but it was very heartening to see an example of like yeah listen to the experts and then we could very quickly go if you just we'll tell you how to get there yeah let's just do that and i was like man that's gotta feel

so good in new zealand right now to just like come out and just hug people and scream into each other's faces like there's no pandemic going on? Well, yeah, that was one of the big things we did is we followed the rules and now we sort of roam free. Yeah. I mean, call us crazy. So the secret is our government employs people called scientists and these guys, now these scientists, It's their job to do all the work Like from Star Trek

Scientists Oh you guys got those in New Zealand We sat in our house While the scientists all said Here's what we're going to do And then the scientists said It's good to go Scientists

You guys have got to look into this. That's the secret, yeah. Yeah, game changes. Get into this science thing, guys. Get into that. All right, Guy, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about. We, of course, have to talk about the Tulsa rally,

talking about. We, of course, have to talk about the Tulsa rally, the big Trump mega rally that wasn't a big Trump mega rally, really. It was like a small little gathering. We're going to talk about who was responsible for there being not such a massive rally this time around. I think they were expecting, they said, the lowest estimate heading into the mega rally was 60,000 people. They claimed that there were a million requests to reserve tickets, and they had 6,000 people, which you'll notice far lower than that. So we'll talk about that. We'll talk about just the general state of there are unsolved lynchings happening in America. The police are very petulant, going around harassing just communities of people. We're going to talk about fireworks also for some reason, because I don't know. I think it all ties in together about how we're

feeling um we'll talk about columbus we might change the name of columbus ohio uh and we'll talk about we might get to a trump movie that is premiering at con uh co-starring stormy daniels and scientology uh using-19 to recruit people. All of that, plenty more. But first, Guy, we'd like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? I've looked up, why is T-Rex the most famous dinosaur?

Mm. Mm-hmm. Do you guys, does that ever, you ever think about that? I didn't put it together until I had read Oedipus Rex, and then I was like, oh, that's what Rex means. And then, I don't know, do people just get lazy because they just bow to the monarchical structures or something? I guess, from what I could tell, from my limited research,

because I was looking up dinosaur names to try and learn how to spell them or to challenge other people to spell them. And it's widely regarded as the most famous dinosaur. This is partly because it was the very first large carnivorous dinosaur to be discovered and it was long believed to have been the largest that ever lived.

Another factor was that it was probably the fiercest meat eater that ever lived. And another reason is because possibly lived another factor was that it was probably the fiercest meat eater that ever lived and another reason is because possibly it was discovered in north america and its north american heritage may explain its position as the world's most famous dinosaur because you guys love crowing on about how you how you find dinosaurs and how great everything is yeah yeah well and also like you know the american empire is much more than the borders of the country like we make all we were making all nearly all the entertainment at one

point so like we got everybody on this diet of like yeah man like fucking america huh there's something up over there we just have we just have amazing pr uh you do you got a great pr machine although i will say the wheels do appear to be coming off slightly presently. They're loose. They're loose, guys. Yeah, what's the view from down there, mate? Honestly, when I watch the news in America, it looks like the country is at a point when what would traditionally happen when a country whips itself up into this kind of state is that america would say do you know what you guys need our military yeah yeah is it is the

coverage ever like from the news like in new zealand sort of saying things like you know because of america's rampant unchecked racism this is like a thing like what's the sort of presentation of the unrest from you know the the perspective of new zealand it's it's hard to say because our news you get you guys get some you know you get a bit of coverage but the news outlets from which i'm getting my information are global or often they are they remain american because they seem to be uh keyed in most of what's happening the coverage is sort of like my read on the coverage is sort of like oh boy i can't believe i left america in december 2019 talk about a stroke of luck uh that's sort of my spin on the coverage right right right because i've i you know i i came back independent of

anything that was happening and my friends would say wow is it tough do you do you regret it and i say do i regret leaving new york city in december 2019 i say no that's what i say the other thing that was cool to see was you know in all over the country or all over the world, there were countries having their own marches for like in solidarity of black lives and things like that. And I was very, very touching to see in New Zealand those happening. What is like what sort of the thing that motivates? You know, I think every country has an aspect of dealing with some kind of racism or whatever that essentially people were connecting to it at any point. some kind of racism or whatever that essentially people were connecting to it at any point. It wasn't just about narrowly this, but I think a lot of people felt connected of this feeling of, you know, oppression, colonization, things like that, slavery. Is there something like,

you know, put me on to sort of like what the temperature is in New Zealand that, you know, obviously because you guys have your heads on straight as people, like what else was kind of motivating people to go out there and show solidarity? on straight as people like what else was kind of motivating people to go out there and show solidarity the the marches initially were in sort of just total solidarity there was a big uh from the organizers specifically there was a a concerted effort to not shift focus or kind of um use it as a pivot point into uh local you know local oppression but um there is also there's like there's a there's a growing black community in new zealand and then also traditionally they're like i mean we suffer from many of the same problems on a much smaller scale in terms of systemic oppression and uh a

police force that you know disproportionately incarcerates pacifica and indigenous, like, Māori people in New Zealand. And so I think middle New Zealand and sort of, you know, we don't really have these polls in the way that America does politically, but middle to right skewing New Zealand, I think we have this very, we're quite proud of this lackadaisical, like, she'll be right, aren't we lucky we're here and not there sort of approach. And then beneath that, there's an undercurrent of people saying well it's very well for you to say that from inside of the status quo but this is not working for everyone and so i think it's just it's very clear even from here that this is a moment in history and it's sort of like you know if you ever wondered what you'd be doing when the worm turned it's pretty much what you're doing right now and so i think also because the um i mean i yeah i think also because of our relationship to covid19 and how we sort of

have given it a bit of a spanking uh people quite excitedly and confidently were like well what better way to fucking get out in the streets than a fantastic cause? Like on Sunday, two weeks ago, I went to the March, Black Lives March, which would have been about 6,000 people, and then to a sports game with 45,000 people. And I thought, gee whiz, aren't we living? Yeah. yeah man that's why they even think that uh new zealand march for black lives drew nearly as many people as you know kkk palooza and tulsa that was our big our big goal we all sort of had an email going around we said let's let's get more people than trump and tulsa were you on it with the k-pop fans and the um of course yeah teenagers on tiktok you guys that was a

that was a separate but equally important email thread i sort of spearheaded both of the threads nice i used i used that traditional chain mail approach where i say for this to 10 people or your crush won't like you back and you'll be surprised how that mobilizes people. How effective that still is. We need that NZDF to come through on the internet, man. Absolutely. Guy, what's something you think is underrated? Well, of course, I think it's the... I don't even know how to say this dinosaur, but it's the Compsognathus.

Everyone's going on about the T-Rex, but this is a little dinosaur. It's the size of a turkey, but it's got that beautiful, those beautiful raptor proportions. Yeah, that we know and love. They were the, yeah, they had their shine in that, what, second Jurassic Park movie? I think they did, yeah. But they were in the first book, and in fact, or in the book, and they killed the main bad, the main big bad.

Oh, yeah. John, what's his name yeah yeah hancock but the guy who built the the park he he got john hammond john hammond he got eaten by the copies in the first book and then in the second book he's back oh really well i don't know he's back in the i mean the movie just didn't kill him. Glossed over that, yeah. They didn't want him. And then he's back in Lost World for some reason. Why not? I just think these are great, sexy little dinosaurs. You know, everyone's going on about the big old T-Rex.

What about we give the compies some of your time, huh? Right. Yeah. What was your first interaction with a compy guy that led you down this road uh probably jurassic park but again it's i've just had my head in the dinosaur world lately and um i came across these guys and i saw a picture of them without scale and i thought how big is that and then i saw a picture of it with scale and it was uh next to a mouse and i was like that's pretty small i just i just i like it when um i'll you know this is why we like puppies and kittens like i like it when this the scale

who's small that's cool that's fine that's cool have you seen the puppy right those things are amazing it's like a tiny dog but it'll grow i'm just looking at the latin uh broken down compsos meaning elegant or dainty compsos nathus dainty jaw elegant jaw okay i like that great jawline on on the compi I don't know if you've seen that compy. Wow, chiseled jawline on that. Wilhelmino models, sign this compy. After all this is over, I can't wait to walk into a plastic surgery and say, give me a jawline like a compy. I want you to scale this operation down. You're like that one woman who's the cat woman,

that European woman. Yeah, guy just becomes comp usa uh guy what's something you think is overrated i think i might know where we're going here well what do you think what do you think i think is over i don't know we're here we're just here to be in awe of you guys so you just tell us man no i think um i think, um, I think that, uh, old, I think president Cheeto is actually a little bit overrated. That's what I call him. I think, uh,

I think he's, yep. I've said it on the podcast for us. Say it again. Yeah. This guy, you gotta get him out of there, but I did put the boot in cause he looks like a,

this guy looks like a fricking Cheeto. So true, man. So true. that's all we got that's where we're at yeah i yeah i was gonna say before when you're uh saying we're gonna get into a little bit of why the the trump was so poorly attended it's got to be because of all those uh late night talk show hosts who simply won't stop lacerating this guy with their wichita sides. Non-stop assault. Just pour him down, right?

Yeah. I mean, Colbert, can he say that? Sorry, as a quick question, I'm just curious. You were saying how polling is different in New Zealand or whatever. It's not like America's addicted to the polls because it's like this horse race thing like with jacinda like your prime minister is is polling something that comes out regularly about the prime minister's performance and i'm curious if like by comparison everyone's like we have the smartest leader on earth in our country i think it's it doesn't come out uh with the same frequency or intensity like we don't we don't treat it with quite the same level of spectacle but um yeah her approval

ratings are absolutely soaring right now and the the opposition who are called the national party uh they hit such a deep slump this is an election year we've got an election i'd say it's about 90 days away now uh they had such a big slump that the the leader of the opposition got rolled by uh this guy it was a guy called simon bridges who is this pugnacious guy whose whole tack was he'd come on and he'd say um like in the middle of the most phenomenal global response to covid19 he kept going on the news and saying ah we're caking it we're fucking it and um everyone's like no just just like i know it might not feel good but you just say well done and then you know hopefully there's a mistake down the line and anyway everyone got pissed off and so then this guy who's called Todd Muller, who just is the least inspiring thumb of a man,

he somehow got in. And yeah, I mean, it's, you know, we create our own little narratives and we have fun with our political system, but it's, it all see, I mean, you know, I don't want to be complacent, but we seem to be quite well positioned at the next election for the ones that I like to win.

Right. I think, yeah, everyone in the US just has like, we just like are like shipping ourselves in a relationship with New Zealand in a way. We're like, God, man, what the fuck? Like, I have dreams about being like President Jacinda. And I'm like, yes, yes, yes, yes. Go on, go on. It was quite a funny movement coming out of the UK

where it was like they were trying to declare war and immediately surrender. It was a pledge me or something. They were like, declare war and immediately surrender to New Zealand, which would mean that they cede governmental control to our government. Oh, that would be amazing. I would be totally... But I don't know that they went ahead with it. Finally, that would be amazing. I would be totally...

But I don't know that they went ahead with it. Finally, what is a myth? What's something people think is true, you know, to be false or vice versa? Well, from what I understand, people often think that the city of Athens was named such due to, you know, various different historical figures

deciding that this is what we're going to call it and scribes writing it down. What a lot of them might be shocked to hear is the naming of Athens, in the great words of T.S. Eliot and Andrew Lloyd Webber, is a curious matter. This isn't just one of your holiday games. No, pretty much there was just a competition between Athena and Poseidon.

And they were like, all right, you're going to name it after one of us. And the people were like, okay. They were pretty obliging. And what happened was that Poseidon showed up. And this guy is the king of the sea. He loves the sea. And he struck a rock with his trident, and all this water gushed forth,

and the big advertisement was meant to be, if you guys are worried about a drought, well, you don't got to worry about that anymore. Look at this. Yeah, a wall. And that's actually what sort of came back to nip him on the ass is everyone was like, dude, all this water is super salty. And he didn't really say anything.

And then Athena, she struck her spear on the ground and a bloody beautiful little olive tree cropped up. And the citizens were like, man, olive trees. We got food. We got oil. we got wood. And then they're like, we're going to call our city Athens. And then historians said, yeah, we are. Deal.

So I just wanted to clear that up. Yeah, no, thank you. A lot of people are, yeah, that's one that I think we busted way back in my time. It cracked, but that's a common misconception. Wow. All right. We do what little we can, Jake. Yeah, I just feel so foolish for even clinging to the words of Thucydides or Herodotus at this point.

Yeah. Don't be too hot on yourself. All right, guys, let's take a quick break, and we'll come back and talk about the Tulsa rally. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you. Come up here and document my project.

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And we're back. And the news media for most of last week was really looking forward to this Tulsa rally that Trump was going to stage. That was very controversial because so many people were going to show up, and his followers tend to think science is a myth, not be on board with those scientists

that a guy's country loves so much. Just let's tell them what to do. but a guy's country loves so much. Yeah. Just let's tell them what to do. So yeah, that was kind of the way the story was being covered, heading into basically the moment the rally started and the media looked around and they were like, there's only like 6,000 people here. 6,200 showed up, to be exact.

And the worst case scenario coming in, according to estimates heading in, was 60,000. They had been bragging that a million people were inquiring or registering to show up. were inquiring or registering to show up and people immediately you know fox news i think is uh immediately jumped on the fact that some teenagers on tiktok and some uh k-pop stands were saying that they had registered uh and then not attended the event, which was, you know, real switcheroo and unfair, not fair. And they're claiming that. But when you take into account that there were unlimited tickets, it wasn't like they were buying seats and then not attending those seats. It was an unlimited amount of people could register

and show up, and they had it planned that the overflow crowd would be outside, and Trump and Pence would address them afterwards. But they didn't even have enough to fill the inside. The outside was completely empty, and they had to cancel that second appearance. So it was just all around not a good look for Trump 2020. Oh, and Brad Parscale, I don't know how long he'll be campaign manager because all the reports were like when Trump realized how scant the crowd was, he lost it and you knew he was pissed because there's that video clip of him uh coming back to the white house in marine one on the helicopter and his ties undone and he's like the he's like hanging his head walking back like the like no one came

to his racist prom party at all yeah even though so many people rsvp'd mom and no one showed up the even the way parscale explains it is so bizarre. It's because it's almost like he's almost saying, like, don't give credit to the K-pop people for fucking this up. Like, we just, no one just, people just don't fuck with the president is how it sounds. Because he says, leftists, this is a quote from Brad Carr's Parscale. Leftists and online trolls doing a victory lap, thinking they somehow impacted rally attendance, don't know what they're talking about or how our rallies work. Reporters who wrote gleefully about TikTok and K-pop fans without contacting the campaign for comment behaved unprofessionally and were willing dupes to the charade. And he goes on to basically saying, like, even though people RSVP'd, they know how to get the bogus numbers out and they knew like we we had the right calculations so if

that's the case then you have to own now that your own people don't support you if it's not like yeah it wasn't because of that but then he wants yeah and then the same point of pride to be like no no we the calculations are good like what is what is left to grab onto at this point nothing and it's gotta suck because there were people in like one america news who were like like hyperventilating to the camera because they knew trump would watch there's like you know they said that there was probably only 6 000 people in there and i i like myself other people we were we were eyewitnesses in the building. I mean, there was the full half of the stadium was there. So if it's 19,000, it holds. And if there was a full half, then it can't just be 6,000.

It was like, whoa, why are you, A, miss, why are you breathing so hard like this? Right. Because you know, like you have to go out there and just pretend like that, that the brand that, you know, the brand of white supremacy isn't doing too good right now. I think that's another thing people should look at because a lot of people, I think on progressives were like, okay, so if progressives got out in the street and people willing to stand in solidarity for equality took the streets like this over the last couple of weeks, we're like, well, well, I guess we'll see what kind of racist,

you know, Kraken emerges from Tulsa. And you got 6,000 people. And a lot of people, even themselves, kind of saying like, I don't know, like even on Fox News, they're like, who thought it was a good idea to have 20,000 people with masks optional and enclosed space? It was weird how Fox turned on them today.

I think it looks like the answer to that question is roughly 6 000 people within driving distance yeah it's gonna be interesting to see how this affects like it obviously hurts his feelings but he's a you know a narcissist who takes all of his self-worth from outside indicators so So, and eventually he'll just be able to, you know, suck the oxygen out of the room enough to puff himself back up. But there is a thing that you notice throughout the 2016 and then throughout his presidency, the 2016 campaign and his presidency, where this was sort of a cool cool meme uh among kind of racist people where like showing

up to trump rallies like there was you know you heard it described as like being like a rock concert like everybody shows up they're wearing t-shirts they're lined up hours in advance they're meeting other fans and so like seeing that sort of pierced a little bit at the same time that yes uh white supremacy is is having just a a rough day in the media uh these past couple weeks uh i i do wonder if that's going to compound on itself or if there'll be some sort of like you know backlash to the backlash it does seem to be for for trump uh that or as we call him here at the zeitgeist uh president cheetah it does it does seem to be a bit of that a difficult second album uh about the whole yeah it's tough also though the the fear always right is that he's so good at whipping his

bands into a frenzy that you know this the spin on this is like now more than ever we need you guys to mobilize and energize and and make some noise i mean right it's like you know this is exactly it's it's the the fear that i you know i imagine is that this can lead to some version of complacency amongst Democratic voters. The entire campaign that's been wheeled out as the alternative is not, this is what you want. It's, you don't want the other thing. right and you know this sort of uh public humiliation especially this far out from the election is the sort of thing that can take seed and uh lead to well you know i'm just projecting but uh some sort of complacency or overconfidence or just not good things to be carrying towards the election it is funny it is it is also very funny though because um i don't know if you guys have

this but i'm against the guy. Yeah. I mean, he's going to have to come out with new hits, like you're saying. You know, the first album, MAGA, Volume 1, we had things like Lock Her Up, Build That Wall, USA. Yeah. And people can only sing the same hits over and over at these shows before they're like, yo, where's the new shit?

The only thing I heard that was kind of cool was uh rana romney mcdev the head of the rnc she was she called a biden's campaign biden seek and i was like hey that was clever but you know again if if you really think that these elections are won just on these witticisms then we have i mean we already have a problem but we have additional problems in this country and yeah on top of that trump's you know biden outraged trump by six million i think this last month so there's in the in the end you know what's clear is that just just in your face racism from 2017 is a huge risk in 2020 now, whether that's, you know, going out there and just being like, oh, man, now knowing like how this is framed, like now I've ran up. If you're somewhat if you were, I don't know, somehow a reasonable Trump supporter, you'd be like, I think I've run out of ways to say I'm not racist by being here. Yeah, I mean, it is that are going down.

by being here uh yeah i mean his numbers are going down so like that that's the thing is we there are these uh supporters that we see who are loud and like storming their state capital without masks and uh automatic weapons and like that's who we picture as all trump supporters but you know he is bleeding you know support in a in a small way so there there must be and also the low point like what you know people talk about him kind of saying racist things that get him pushback or misogynist things that get pushed back in the media and then his polling numbers go up but the low point of his approval rating in his presidency was after charlottesville so like after he said the the both sides thing so it does seem like there's a limit to that that like being openly uh you know courting white supremacists like open white supremacists does seem to be uh at least a uh possibly unpopular or less popular

than uh his sort of polite racism i think the other thing too is there is nothing that will have a white racist person reconsider their racism than another white person telling them that their racism is bullshit because it's easy to ignore you know non a non-white person telling them that their racism is bullshit because it's easy to ignore you know non a non-white person telling you you're racist but i think a lot of people like we've been saying if you the first step of beginning this work towards any kind of just world is to a let your values be known to other people because now if you were racist and you thought everybody was quiet because you felt the same way, and now you see the streets filled up

with people that look like you who are just with signs saying, you're going to begin guessing, or at least some people might take a second to think about it. But I think that's what's very powerful too is I feel like there are a decent amount of people I've seen too who are kind of also

trying to take a harder line within the spaces they are in as well to not abide by any kind of also trying to take a harder line within their the spaces they are in as well to not you know abide by any kind of racism or white supremacy yeah absolutely it's the it's the um yeah you I mean you you you gotta hope it's just it can be challenging to know because of the spaces we occupy online or even amongst our close circle of friends I i'm imagining uh it is limited to that the fear that we exist purely in an echo you know like i remember the last election on twitter even when brexit happened before because that was like the the brexit happened before trump got elected right yeah and i remember seeing that and being like well i didn't see that coming according to the you know

2 000 people i follow on Twitter or whatever. Wow, who thought that they weren't representative of the world? But certainly within the communities that I've noticed, there is a real assertion of correction and sort of the impact of what's happening globally is taking hold locally which is you know that's why we've got the march here it's why people are talking to their families here even though the conversation is different here it's like you know the impact of that is

reaching further afield which is cool right yeah yeah the one thing i think could you know i'm not now this is another thing that factored into it I think COVID does have a big thing probably played a big part of it because I'm sure there are people who are racist but also fear COVID-19 and we're kind of like yeah as much as I want to act like yeah fuck it I'll get COVID I think only 6,000 people were really truly willing to go that far uh because on some level because I don't think I'm not just going to say, you know, racism has become so unfashionable. Look at the rallies. I think there's definitely a group of people too, who are, you know, they are not willing to put their own safety at risk ever. So they'd rather be, you know, racist from the safety of their own home. Racist scientists, we call them.

Right. But then, so even like when you look at florida right the the republican national convention you know there's talks about having it in jacksonville uh because ronda santos the governor there's like covid what and i don't know what that yeah do whatever you want come on down but even when you look at there are some polls that came out from uh people in jacksonville and by like a 10 point margin even the voters voters in Jacksonville did not want a convention there because 61 percent of the people they polled were concerned about a virus outbreak. Even though like they're clearly based on the polling before about how favorable Donald Trump was like it was, you know, 41 in favor, 48 against. So, you know, pretty split. against. So it was pretty split. But even on these things, when it came down to the virus,

you were seeing these majorities bear out in the poll numbers. But there's got to be a part of... If somebody is saying, okay, I still support Trump because racism, misogyny, he's my guy guy but then you also are seeing that he's telling you it's okay to come out to this rally but you are afraid enough of the virus to know that's not true like doesn't that have to undercut some of their support like their belief that this person is like a good leader i just feel like there's not about but it's not about let's say i think it's not about leadership like these people are completely untethered from the concept of what a leader is. They just like the TV show where a white man is as cruel as possible to people that don't look like him or believe what he believes. That's what they're in for.

Like this show, because any person who has half a brain about how legislation works would probably be really concerned with half the stuff that's going on i mean i feel like the government now is just playing this game with the people of saying like i wonder how long till they realize we don't even give a fuck about the constitution but we'll let them sweat it out and pretend like it's a thing that because behind the scenes we're out here violating that you know what we call just you know might as well be a rolling paper yeah yeah i think uh the mental gymnastics is required to support this party in any respect it's so it's so great i think people aren't worried or even considering the contradictions that is required for them to pledge their support or

go out like you know these are the mental gymnastics means that we've got some mentally agile although albeit in the wrong ways, people. Yeah. Well, I think because in and of itself, right, the idea of to be racist, to hold those values in it, it's so absurd to begin with that the results are going to only be absurd as people have to begin, like, be pulled out of it. Because it's already absurd, the reasoning to stay in it

will be just as equally as absurd.'s already absurd the reasoning to stay in it will be just as equally as absurd there's not there's not anyone gonna be who's like i'm racist because it's good for the environment and i can point to it like no one no one has a reasoning like that it's just that i just think that's just the way it is and you know like white people built the world and also i'm not going to acknowledge that they wrote a racist history that was force-fed into my brain as a child so i only know the world through this perspective of white men but that's what i believe and that's that and other these people are unequal to me because of i don't know because that's what i've been told there's also an equal faction of those people who say no i like you know that i'm not they say i'm

not racist this is just what i think which is it seems to be a dividing point now amongst, uh, you know, acknowledgement that implicit racism exists in all of us because of the structures in which, you know, the, the world operates in the way that we're brought up and the fact that we're

all deprogramming and like dismantling this inherently racist system. And so the true racists are the ones who now say, no, I'm not racist. It's just that this is how it is and you know like the ability to acknowledge racism within yourself is a step towards trying to to heal it i guess and then you do have these freaky factions of people who are proudly racist yeah but then i think even those people who want to be intellectual about it

it's if they're those people are probably already trying to like operate in spaces where there are more reasonable people and then when someone would say that to me i'm like okay well i don't care what you think that's racist now get the fuck out my face bye right well let me i'm like that's not a debate and i think that's what's interesting now is like we're trying to be a little more you know uh objective even with the language we use when we talk about like, whether it's talking about comedians and like young women versus a child, you know what I mean? If someone is not an adult, they are a child, but we use these modifiers. Like we need to be a little more objective. Let's, let's call it what it is. And before it was very easy for people to be like, well, you know, that is just sort of what I'm looking at based on the data that this is why these people behave

like this in the country. Like now, rather than saying like racially charged remarks people need to be moving towards things of just being like no racist and it doesn't matter what their defense is because we have to sort of stand together as the you know reasonable community of people and say no that's that's racism and no matter you can tell your own audience so they can convince themselves but we will not be tricked by that and i think that's what we also have to do is not allow you know that kind of disingenuous discourse to happen in our presence either did you see the video of chris delia on a podcast finding out that you can save snapchat oh my god it's the whole thing is so dark oh it is so it is so crazy now because of podcasting and the fact that people are videoing

their podcasts just like the mountain of evidence the paper trail that these fucking like you know these pedophiles in essence or not even in essence are leaving behind you know yeah it's like who would have thought with video you'd get to literally watch him reckon with his actions and then also how long ago was that have no material impact on how he behaves right sociopath it if for people who don't know it's like a a podcast where they're talking about somebody getting caught because i think it was a teacher a woman teacher who had a relationship with a child and yeah she was sending snapchat messages to the child and the child uh the child's mom found them and you see crystal he's like yeah yeah man that's messed up and you can tell like he's not really like thinking about

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hometown of the great Cody Johnston of Ohio State University, three hours from the place I grew up, and named after Christopher Columbus. Oh, man. The director. Not the director of Goonies which is what i thought growing up i was like oh named after um that guy the lead singer of genocidal tendencies no the great explorer christopher columbus yes yes that's what i meant that was flippant

yeah there i mean it's interesting you know again the anti, again, the anti-colonizer slaver wave continues. The Teddy Roosevelt's white man on top statue is going to be taken down outside of the Natural History Museum, which is, you know, again, depending on what side of, whether or not you like racism, you'll have an opinion on that. But the statue itself, I remember seeing it was like, wait, it's like an indigenous person and a black person on either side of the horse and he's a, okay, well, that's an interesting message. So that statue has a planned retirement. And then even like the ice cream, the Eskimo pie

will no longer be branded as such. I think Dreyer's is the parent company. They're doing away with that. And if you want like a sports center style recap of white supremacy and full panic just watch fox news because like they almost kick off like every hour with like an eskimo pie now it's like they have like this like weird they always tune in with what what fucking company woke up today i guess uh sort of guffawing um and now you know columbus it's their turn uh for the woke armies of satan to put their attention upon this name but i think it's it's hard to say like

you're gonna just completely rename a city because it's the fucking capital it's like the largest city in the state man there's a yeah a lot of signs are gonna have to come down um but there is a petition right now to have the city renamed after a true son of columbus uh guy fieri but change the name to flavor town i mean i obviously that's a good call i think for now it's funny if it gets over the line right now because you know i mean that's good marketing isn't it everyone's going to want to go to flavor town and then yeah once it holds if it's a placeholder but somehow you know sometimes people name these interim things and then they don't get around to getting changed. 50, 60, 70, 80 years from now, you know, a whole new generation will get to learn that this place is called Flavortown because of the great Guy Fieri. Right.

Yeah. Absolutely, man. I don't know. I mean, again, this is a thing that we were talking about even last week when there were talks of like, what do you do with Nathaniel Bedford Forrest's statue in the Tennessee Capitol? Like, do you put up people like Dolly Parton? That's a Tennessean people can be proud of. But honestly, I think if you're going to be corrective, you need to put up representations of the antithesis of what that former offensive form stood for. of what that former offensive form stood for.

So if you have someone that is a colonizer, then you have to, you need to actually set that balance off by now enshrining somebody who is about liberation and things like that. I think just as a one-to-one, because it could be easy to just be like, yeah, that would be fun. Let's just replace it with something meaningless.

But I think just for the ability for a dominant culture to enshrine some of their worst people, and we're trying to actually have some kind of sea change, then do the right thing and actually let's celebrate people that are doing the things that are getting us towards the future

we're trying to envision. I would suggest naming it after a Native American word, but there's no American towns named after a Native American word. So that would be no American towns named after a Native American word. So that would be, I'm sure just all of them, all of them.

Like so many of them. Yeah. I would, I would agree. Was there, what, what's the plan for the statues? Are they going to get melted down?

Like the things I, I often wonder about is, is there a place for, you know, education through the horrors of the people who have been uh deified and put up in these statues is it worth creating essentially a you know a museum of horrors where you essentially advertise them with plaques which actually detail what they did instead of sort of you know like is there a revisionist history version of it where we say these the statues

this is what they actually like here's what they were represented as here's what they actually did instead of just trying to sort of instead of this erasure approach of saying no no no everything's been hunky-dory here since dot one i mean how do you how do you actually you know what's the proper course correction in terms of re-educating ourselves and future generations on this stuff i think that's sort of the you know long-term discussion about, clearly right now, what the last few weeks have established that there's an appetite for some level of equilibrium on some, whether that's, I think for people like us, we're talking about full on revamping, dismantling of these systems of oppression. That's the only way, I think, is the only way we can truly move

towards any semblance of equality. But again, this is a slow-moving machine. And I think those steps are going to have, they're going to take time, but we have to keep the pressure on. And essentially, yes, there is going to have to be some kind of like truth and reconciliation committee, something whereica as a whole like through our educations like that we are officially taking the time to like be like we really need to sit down with what happened

before you were born you know and remember what the momentum was your life carried into this moment because it's off the it's off the back of a lot of blood um and we were just we just did a really good job of doing the thing of like well let's not actually yes i think my parent sucks but i don't want to think about it because it's my parent you know and they gave me life or whatever but sometimes you have to be like yo this this parent is a straight up piece of shit um But it's okay because I'm not a piece of shit. And all I can do is at the very least acknowledge what a piece of shit looks like. So we no longer have more pieces of shit out here running things.

Yeah. I do really like the idea. all of the really rich, fascinating cultures and intricate histories that were just completely wiped out by these assholes. Like, you could fill every square foot of America with testaments to that stuff, and that is way more interesting than the version of history that they give kids

currently. Oh yeah. I mean like, it's almost like you could do a series and maybe we should not include this, but I honestly think if you did a podcast that was about your city and it was a true crime podcast of how fucked your city has been that you don't know about it, people would just have their minds blown

and people didn't know that like in pasadena like black people couldn't like own property there to like the 60s you know what i mean and then people look at pasadena now like oh it's so many like liberal you know white people but again we have to remember like what liberal means versus like progressive or leftist or someone who was actually fighting for equality because liberal just means like you're willing to stomach a certain level of white supremacy until a point. Well, guys, let's talk about Scientology. Let's just switch tracks.

Not really. So Scientology has been using the pandemic to recruit people. They've been giving out, in a really like kind of subtle way that suggests to me that they are bad at recruiting people because they're like in some cases they're handing out just pamphlets that are actual informational pamphlets about covet 19 that look almost exactly like the government issuedissued booklet. This is actually in New Zealand, Guy.

Oh, wow. On the back, there was a QR code that leads to the Church of Scientology website, which sounds like a very convoluted way of getting people to show up at your website and feel tricked at being there. But they were kind of flooding uh different restaurants and retailers uh in new zealand all those places that you are allowed to go uh that are but a distant memory for us

what also they were flooding the the timing of the release of these pamphlets is a touch off when curiosity about how do to protect ourselves against covet 19 it would be fair to say it's probably tapering off uh you know to read the whole booklet and then scan the qr code i need more can you imagine i don't think i've ever seen a single visit from that i've never scanned a fucking QR code unless it was for something I had to do in that moment to connect some piece of hardware to another thing. I've never been like,

damn, that was a good fucking soda. Hold on, let me scan this QR code on the back real quick because I must know more. I thought they were a total write-off, but QR codes have become very huge like especially because we had these uh phases of lockdown and when we eased into level two which meant that we were allowed to return to cafes and restaurants the contact tracing in new zealand in the everywhere you went every business had to have a qr code that you'd scan and you'd log your name and stuff

yeah it's known for the menu it's just it's literally so there's a data a working database but i was blown away i thought that these things were done but qr codes really to the fore so good on scientology for piggybacking on the movement i guess i like how next time in many respects as well i jumped to the assumption i'm like oh the qr code is to show you like a menu of things for you to consume you're like no for like to keep things like to trace things and make sure we know as much as possible i'm like what oh like so people are doing sacrifice so how do you buy it in the most minimal way their individual uh rights for the collective good that doesn't that doesn't yeah some some of us are doing

it begrudgingly i would imagine like you know there's always there's always pushback where people say i don't want the government to know where i went today it's like yeah you're not that interesting greg they're like man you're on facebook you're on facebook checking into supermarkets like yeah yeah okay um but i didn't i didn't i didn't know that it's amazing to think that the church of scientology's efforts have somehow registered in the the news cycle of america and yet in new zealand where they're targeting us i say that i mean maybe my friends have been quietly recruited they do keep encouraging they keep talking about diagnostics and they want to give me a personality test but i just figured they were goofing around yeah guy there appears to be an e-meter behind you in your

on your bookshelf nah you don't gotta worry about that that's uh that's just to make sure everything's uh yeah don't be a suppressive person, Jack. Right, my bad, my bad. Fucking SP. But, you know, David Miscavige, their kind of Scientology pope, in a memo in March called The Pandemic Hysteria. So we know where they ultimately stand,

even though they were giving out some helpful information with uh that was designed to bring people to their website there was that cruise too that remember that like the like a few ports rejected them because they're like this sounds like a covet boat uh that we aren't willing to deal with. Yeah, they treat their, like, Sea Org, I guess it is, the people who sign away their rights to the Church of Scientology for a billion years, they treat them very badly. The health care plan for the Sea Org, not great, it turns out. But just all around, you know, they've got to do something now that, you know, a long-term LAPD investigation into Danny Masterson's sexual assault of three women has now, you know, they've issued charges. was ultimately involved, it would appear, in kind of suppressing those accusations and pushing back.

And it seems like their influence and power in the United States might be on the way in. It feels like, slowly, if you put all of the news stories together, while it is an incredibly, you know, full on time to be alive, you know, Scientology is on the wane, white supremacy is on the wane.

What's all this? Right. I mean, Scientology, if they're smart, right. Cause like in LA, I get why some people fall into it because they can,

at the time in the nineties and early two thousands, you could go down a list of celebrities who were famous and make this weird connection that like oh okay if i do this then i can be as famous as this person but right like when you look at now how like young kids who they want to be it's not fucking movie stars they want to be like vloggers and tiktokers and shit so they need to get their ass over there and start recruiting those people or else you think you think you're gonna tell some 16 year old oh you want to be like old ass tom cruise right right or fucking john travolta they'll be like who the fuck is john travolta and they're like what is this movie with the old problematic

white men with dreadlocks and what is this shit john travolta of of gutty fame right exactly like that's probably what a kid is gonna remember him from they're like oh that that guy was in a movie before that remember like when you were a kid and some some there would be an old person in a movie and your parents would be like hyped and you're like who the fuck are you talking about and like when max von sidow was in like bill and ted and like as death and my mom was like wow he's back i'm like who is this old ass man and then you're like oh this man had a historic career but i'm young and i only know from this moment forward yeah it's like happy days jokes and like mash references and stuff

that i was just like i man i don't know what the fuck you're talking about. But as I became a fan of comedy, that was all over the place, like in The Simpsons and stuff like that. Anyways, Guy, it's been a pleasure having you. Where can people find you and follow you? You can find me at Guy underscore Mont on Twitter and Instagram. And I've got to tell you, sometimes I post content.

So if that's what you're after, I'm your dude. Nice. And is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying? I'm actually just finding the tweet. This one tickled me really well uh this is from someone called camilla blackett at camilla rd uh my gyno told me that in her 20 years of practice i have the strongest pelvic floor she's ever seen so if you feel a shift in energy when i enter the room, it's because this is the level of confidence I'm walking with now.

Miles, where can people find you and follow you? And what's a tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter, Instagram, PlayStation Network, Miles of Grey. Also, my other podcast, 420 Day Fiance. If you like 90 Day Fiance fiance check that show out um and a tweet i like is from at dr zoom uh and this is just kind of it's it's truly a snapshot of where we are he tweets breaking usa achieves 100 onion slash reality parody and the first uh thing is a is a headline from the washington post that says amid threats

and political pushback public health officials are leaving their posts this is a post from the onion in 1999 uh said nation's experts give up washington dc citing years of frustration over their advice being misunderstood misrepresented or simply ignored, America's foremost experts in every field collectively tendered their resignation Monday. And it's... Jesus. Yeah. You know. You can't say...

When you're watching a car crash in slow motion, you can't be surprised when it's ending in a crash. Right. Tweet I've been enjoying from SoulNate at MNnateshamalan tweeted me this is my invention I call it the q-tip marketing guy what's it for

me so many things just don't stick it in your ears marketing guy ears full of q-tips sorry what you can find me on twitter jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com,

where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as the song we ride out on. Miles, what are we riding into the week on today? I think this so on yesterday's episode we went out on a track by

Felicuti and I want to actually keep that momentum going this is a track from a group called Classica Orchestra Afrobeat and they use, it's very to I don't know, to me it's a very interesting conversation, you know, if I'm going to get deep with it, with classical

instruments coming from Europe and those are being brought by colonizers to Africa to then use those instruments to play African music, I think is an interesting conversation. And so this is their rendition of the iconic Fela Kuti track, Zombie. So this is Zombie by Classica Orchestra Africa.

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