The Daily Zeitgeist - Top 10 of 2025: #5 MAGA vs MAGA, US = Cause Of/Solution To All Earth’s Problems? 06.19.25

Episode Date: December 29, 2025

We are counting down the top 10 episodes of 2024, as voted by our listeners. At #5, we have: MAGA vs MAGA, US = Cause Of/Solution To All Earth’s Problems? 06.19.25 In episode 1883, Jack and Miles are joined by writer, comedian, and co-host of Yo, Is This Racist?, Andrew Ti, to discuss… America’s Cold War Strategy Is Coming Home To Roost Huh? Our Information Environment Is So F**ked, Couple Wild Stories About People Not Knowing How To Act Around AI and more! Tucker Vs. Ted Smackdown They Asked an A.I. Chatbot Questions. The Answers Sent Them Spiraling. Father of man killed in Port St. Lucie officer-involved shooting: 'My son deserved better' LISTEN: Husk by Men I TrustSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hello, Zyte Gang, and welcome to the end of the year. During these two weeks surrounding Christmas and the new year, we take some time off. During the mornings, we'll run some new holiday and end-of-the-year content that you can listen to while we're taking a break. In addition to all that stuff in the afternoons, where we would usually drop the trends episode, we are rerunning the 10 most popular episodes of this year, according to you. You voted with your dang ears, and we listened with ours. Actually, we looked at the data. We're spying on you.

Honestly, I'm mostly in this podcasting thing. For the rich marketing data, it provides to me about each and every one of you. At the end of the year, when I look back to see what made the top 10, and this was actually my favorite year to look back at, our top 10 is full of episodes. I feel like made it because of a bunch of. different reasons. There are some episodes that dropped after huge news events. There are some first episodes that dropped right after some hilarious news events, some great new guests, some classic fan favorite guests, and some new formats we tried out that we're very excited to see

that you guys enjoyed. Before we get into it, I just want to thank you guys for once again being such a cool community that's bloomed up around this podcast. We've been doing all these years. You guys repeatedly make us proud. You're there for us when we go through some really difficult shit. You show up at shows of our guests and we always get great reports from our guests about our listeners. You are the rare podcast audience that makes us extremely proud to have you as listeners so far. So don't, don't fuck this up, you guys. All right. And without further ado, episode number five, the fifth most popular episode of the year, mega versus mega, comma, US equals cause of solution to all of Earth's problems.

And it features one of our aforementioned classic fan favorite guests, Andrew T. Enjoy. Hello, then, babe. All right, bye. Hello. Jesus, what's happening? What it's like to work on this show? Hello, bye.

Yeah, yeah. Hello, then, babe. Hello, Andrew. Hello, then Andrew. Top of the board, did you? What happened to you guys? How you doing, lad? You're all right, man.

Just push this over the brink, man. Mad, lad, mate. Oh, I've got terrible sleep deprivation, man. Depovation. Sleep deprivation, Andrew. It's CIA black sight levels, mate. Maybe not. Maybe not that bad.

Maybe not in a CIA black site. Oh, man. This is wonderful energy. to come into. Dude, I'm so, I'm in a state of delirium from lack of sleep over the last, I have like accumulated maybe five hours of sleep since Monday. Fuck. Wait, what happened?

My fucking kid has to be in a ton. Hey, my fucking baby. Well, stay in his crib. So we had to get the dang, we had to get the toddler bed out for him. Toadler. The toddler bed out for him. He just escapes the bloody thing. uh yeah it's just like he's just so free now

but also like this is all part of his development he's now fully in that thing and this bird can fly and that he's just always like what are you doing what's that what's that yeah it's just fucking it's crazy over here yeah right let's do this um okay yeah well I was just do you that's not a typical well not that I mean we can just be screaming at bay

There's a lot of insanity. Is there a super cut of accents that could be used? I think just all the dumb accents up. All right, damn, bye. And then Andrew asking why our energy is hooked up. Get in, bye, get in. All right. Yeah, it doesn't need to be a typical.

Just. Not a typical week. Not a typical show. Yeah, I don't have much in the tank, man. That's pretty much all I can give you right now. Who are the tank? I'm Hank the fucking tank right now. The famous Hank the tank.

Yeah, it's me. Hank the Hank engine. Thomas the Hank engine. Is that a thing? Can we use that? Thomas the tank engine. I have nothing in the tank to is that a thing. I think feels like a cold.

I have nothing in the tank to is that a thing pipeline. And welcome to season 393, episode four of their daily's eye, guys! It's a production of iHeartRadio. It's a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's Share Consciousness. And it is Thursday, June 19th, 2025. Yes. It's June 10th. Hey, unless you're corporate America, then it's just Thursday.

That's just Thursday. We're off. Yeah, obviously. So no episode tomorrow. No episode tomorrow. Asking. Exactly. That's where we went. But, yeah, again, if you don't know you should know what fucking June 10th is. I'm not here

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The Brothers Ortiz is a gripping true story about faith, family, and how two lives can drift so far apart and collide in the most devastating way. Listen to the Brothers Ortiz on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Who would you call if the unthinkable happened? I just fail and started screaming. If you lost someone you loved in the most horrific way. I said through your shot 22 times. The police, right?

But what if the person you're supposed to go to for help is the one you're the most afraid of? This dude is the devil. He's a snake. He'll hurt you. I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you. And this is The Girlfriends, Untouchable. Detective Roger Goulipsky spent decades intimidating

and sexually abusing black women across Kansas City, using his police badge to scare them into silence. This is the story of a detective who seemed above the law until we came together to take him down. I told Roger Galuski, I said, you're going to see my face till the day that you die. Listen to the girlfriends, Untouchable, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcast. Take, like, a casual, fancy, free walk on this day of... And then, like, the best description of the gate of the slave owners. Sauntering around, you know? Oh, my God. Day for sauntering. It says, slow down. In fact, try mosying around on June 19.

All right. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I thought Mosy Day was coming up. This is violence. Yeah, I know. I know. I know. I know.

I know. Anyway, we see you. Shout out black people. Shout out, you know, freedom. For the moment. For the moment. For the moment. As my favorite freedom fighter, Mel Gibson once said, freedom.

You know? Yeah. All right, my name is Jack O'Brien, A.K. We start World War III. I got Net in Yahoo with me. We start World War III. Congress, they can suck on my peen. That one courtesy of Nick Semper Tyrannus.

Nick Sampeteranus On the Discord A bit of the Nick Sampaternus On the Discord I think written from the perspective of I don't know one Donald Trump Yeah G.E. Vance

Yeah This was the fear all along Get this dip shit in there He's going to start World War III Because somebody was like mean to him Because we did a protest Those mean to him And he's like

Oh, yeah. Well, check this shit out. Time to get the measuring tape out. Yeah. Oh, boy. You think I'm baby? Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined, as always. By my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray.

Hey, it's Miles Gray, the showgun with no gun, the most sleep deprived dude in the San Fernando Valley at the moment. I do want to shout out all that gang, who's reached out through many channels on social media. I have someone even posted, like, I saw a thing on Reddit where people were trying to give you advice for your base. I was like, I love subreddit. Thank you so much.

Sleep training for miles. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So again, thank you, thank you for all the tips. I'm still in the trenches, as it were. I will say overwhelmingly, they seem to be give the baby a weed gummy. And I just, I feel like that's not great advice, guys. I think we should, we should knock that shit off. Don't encourage child abuse.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, not going to do that. But I am doing, look, there have been many variations on like, just, just kind of hit just fucking hang out a little bit so they fall asleep i've been trying to that but then he does the thing jack like you said your kid did the second i shift the weight it's where you go where you fucking go you can fucking leave man oh yeah it's it's it's wild but we're we're i'm finding a balance it's wild i also i get so clear in the middle of the night where i'm like barely asleep i'm like sort of this like lucid state where a lot of really to bad ideas uh come to my mind that i that i think will make a good cold open and they don't time to start night

podcasted. Just keep a little whisper into your phone. Nightcasted. Baby still won't sleep. Hey man, you got something to say? You got something to say? Daddy, don't go. Fuck. Yeah, man. I had something to say. I'm also a little sleep deprived. So I had a thing to say that left my brain.

I'm going to tell you guys this. I feel great. I got plenty of sleep. Hell yeah. At least look, one out of three ain't bad. That's right. I'm well rested, but underprepared. Don't worry. I'm going to tap into something. I'm tapping into something and keep this show fucking elevator. Let's fucking go.

Yeah. Oh, I remember what I was going to say. I remember this period of my life when you're just constantly, my life. Shout up to my life. Sorry, delirious. Having a newfound appreciation for the drugs that your brain like dumps into your bloodstream as you're falling asleep. Oh, yeah. Like that lucid clarity where you're just like,

like get to no sleep a little bit better because you're kind of constantly like in and out of it, you know? And then like that was the first time I had a real appreciation. It's like, oh, like all the drugs that we do are just like trying to get back to what our brain is. Yeah, what our brain naturally does for us where it's just like, and you're high. Like that's what dreams are. It's just like, you are so high right now and floating away on a stream of brain chemicals. Enjoy. I guess that makes Well, because the drugs don't create the chemicals. It's just squeezing it out. In weird proportions of the existing.

It just gives your brain the excuse. Oh, no, I don't. Yeah, it's not that MDMA is what I'm looking for. I need it to squeeze all the serotonin and neuroephenephrine out of my fucking brain. And then I'm going, whoa. Right. I just said the most freshman in college version of realizing how drugs work. Yeah, yeah.

So having taken the bog hit, I am now philosophizing on what's the time. Freshman in college bong hit, like first bong hit conversations are vastly underrated. That's the good stuff. That's your underrated. That should be a podcast. If you could just be like, bro, we've taped miles. It is. That's what this is.

Yeah, all right. That's true. That's the level I operate at. Me too. I don't like, I don't like podcasts where people know shit. Yeah. I'm squarely in the like crazy idea I had while looking at a pink Floyd poster. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And for me, it's wild reckless speculation. That's right. A quick thing, a bunch of new listeners for some reason, maybe the dissolution of the mainstream media, impending fascism. But hi, welcome. And yeah, if people like the show, rate, review it, tell your friend about it. That helps. Thanks for listening.

Yeah, thanks for taking a chance on this group of. Thanks for taking a chance on us. You fucking hate us. It's also bomb-hit conversations. It's just like so volatile. You hated my take about ANO me, didn't you? Miles were thrilled to be joined in our third CIPA, one of our favorites, one of the very faces on Mount Zaitmore,

a hilarious and brilliant producer, TV writer, you know him from the Yo's This Racist podcast, one of the all-time great podcasts. It's Andrew T. Andrew! I didn't refer an AKA today, but normally, I will say this, I usually put it in quite a bit of effort trying to come up with a song. I did peruse briefly the Discord,

New listeners, go check out the Discord. Still more piss talk than I would have thought. Yeah. No, you gave them a nice talking to the last time you were on. You were like, I go to the AKA thing. They took that as like a personal challenge, which I kind of respect. Or they're just like, yeah. Oh, yeah.

They called out the fact that three years, probably longer, four years after Jack told this anecdote, we're still just writing lyrics about him pissing his pants and pretending it was water, we're going to do that even more. I don't, yeah, yeah. Sorry. I'm just, okay, next time I'm on the show, my mission will be to tell a personal bodily fluid anecdote

of even more extremity, of even more extremity that world. It doesn't need to be more. Yeah, although mine is pretty on extreme because I'm pretty sure I didn't even piss my pants. I'm pretty sure it was just like, here's the lowest wrong of embarrassing thing. You sure about that?

I just think we could beat it. I just think we can beat it. I'm, the throne I'm gutting for is relentless inside joke on the AKA. It'd be already impetrable, A.K.A. I'm pretty sure, like, I know for a fact, I can be. There are plenty of story, embarrassing, humiliating stories from my life that I just haven't told yet. So, we're dulling these out. Yeah, yeah.

This is an arm's race. This is an arms race. Man, when I was drinking too much, boy, oh, boy, did I do some humiliating things, folks. you'll find out about that in the years to come. I know, not me. Anyways, this is really great new listeners material. This is an impetrable lore,

inside jokes. That's right. That's what we're here for. Wonderful stuff. Welcome to the most dense show. Welcome and now get the fuck out of here. Andrew, we're thrilled to have you. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment.

First, we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things that we're talking about. But we're going to just take a look at the general state of the world and how, you know, we're seeing some bad things happen. And we're generally not good at looking, running the tape back to see where those bad things came from. Yep. But we're going to look at a couple, the two big ones. Yeah. The ice raids and the war with Iran, the war being waged on Iran. One-sided right now.

Exactly. We're going to look at both of those situations and whether the U.S. had anything to do with the, uh, with anything to do with anything. Anything at all, probably not. Yeah. We're just here. Things are happening to us.

Not the American boomerang striking us right in the face again. Yeah, yeah. Not this time. So we'll talk about that. We'll also talk about why we like Tucker Carlson now. No, that's not true. But we'll- Tucker Carlson, welcome to the resisted. Welcome.

You know how many times I've seen that tweeted now? One of our new listeners. Ah. Yeah. Tucker could come to brunch now. I know. I know. The lip cookout.

The lib cookout is brunch. We need these people. Not the Tucker Carlson, but the people who say Tucker Carlson, welcome to brunch. I know exactly. On some level, but it's like, we need the ifcom led one. We'd all be at brunch right now. We need them. We need them to wide, to wide tent.

I don't have to like them though. And I'm going to talk med shit about them. And you can talk shit about us, but look, we got to. This is a focus, man. It's about class war. Yeah. We'll talk about that. There's an article in the New York Times just talking, just giving some anecdotes and then some research about how people are interacting with chat GPT and large language models.

Pretty wild. I'm always skeptical about these because I remember an era when the mainstream media was just combing the crime blotter for any crime that was committed that was in any way tangentially related to either video games or internet chat rooms. Even a computer. And then there would be like chat room murder, you know, like. And so I don't want to fall into that. On the other hand, this stuff is pretty unique to chat GPT. AI, and it's wow. We're jumping ahead a little bit. I don't

think it is, man. People fell in with fucking Eliza in the 90s. That's true. Yeah, I think we're just They are nonetheless very entertaining. Yes, yes. Unless it's actively encouraging

you to do harm to yourself, which in a lot of cases, which is not entertaining. And Ozzy Osbourne's DNA, you can go by that. Fortunately, just his saliva. No, it's fine. you find under your fingernails. Gave me your come, Ozzy Osbourne.

Ozzy Osbourne is just he doesn't even have DNA at this point, I'm pretty sure. He's like in this household, we believe. Give me your come Ozzy Osbourne. All right. Andrew, welcome new listeners. All of that, plenty more.

I feel like you guys took this as a challenge to alienate people as much as this possible. Don't worry. All my shit is going to be weird and dumb. Yeah. So,

good. So fucking strap in, homies. Strap in assholes. Andrew, what's something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? I started. I guess the best way to say this is,

is it like best, this is just an amalgamation of quite a long, a couple minutes of searching, but best container for steaming vegetables in a microwave. I've become a microwave steaming motherfucker. Oh, wow. steaming willie beeman over here yeah exactly

I visited my sister who's like a newish mom and she's just like shop up the broccoli put it in the fucking microwave let's go you want to learn a lesson about efficiency it really is so good yeah it really like I was like

oh this is fucking honestly amazing and I just wanted to make sure I don't know I feel like I'm like definitively like barn door after the microplastics have like deeply invaded my brain already but I got like cold feet about the vessel

I was using to microwave my vegetables in so I had to go down that rabbit hole a little bit but yeah it's been mostly saran wrap and my yeah glass bowl that's because it does it every time that works for me yeah I use a mylar balloon usually is that good I actually use

the power keeps going out every time I put in the microwave. I create a bowl out of just pure Scotch Guard. You put my hand in a bowl shape and then I scotch guard the inside of my hand. And it turns into like a little bowl. And that's, that's how I do. And then into the microwave.

Scotchard was the original forever chemical, I think, right? That's like the one that 3M made. And they're like, shut the fuck up. Yeah, people who were like immediately like, if you lived anywhere that Scotchard was during the 50s, You have this in your reproductive system. That was just like tape for the inside of your veins, basically. Is it what it turned into? Exactly.

It's just like scotch tape, but inside you. What if you had just like liquid scotch tape running throughout your body? I'm trying to stay in the like, you know, unintended consequences may be positive thing. I'm one, you know, obviously this can't be good. It's a little bit. The same as the, you know, chat GPT brain poison thing. But I'm just like, I don't know. On some level, maybe, you know, maybe we're going to find out the people with all this scotch guard in their blood get fewer strokes.

Or I guess what's more likely way, way, way more strokes. Yeah. Now, fewer. Our blood more slippery. We shall see. So it's good. Yeah. Plastic dudes.

We're just plastic people. Anyway, I've been having an unbelievable amounts of, uh, steamed be steamed bachoy mostly do we like have we underrated the microwave just i i feel like it feels worse than it actually is like i've always like felt like that's a cancer box but like i think that's an age thing yeah yeah i think i think not to not to docks us to the new listeners in our eternal youth but um i think people of our generation what yeah i'm old i'm 27 so we were that we Jack's the oldest. I'm 24. Yeah.

Jack's the oldest. We were... Don't stand too close to the microwave. Jack, you're like three grades above me, right? Yeah, yeah. He's like three grades above me. What grade are you? What grade do you guys need it?

We met him 20th grade. It actually, we met so young that it's weird that I was hanging out with him being fewer years older than him. Yeah, yeah. What are you not cool? What's a weird odd couple? That guy's already going through puberty. Why do you hang on that dry college kid?

I don't know. He's cool, man. It lets me sip some beers. Yeah. Okay, just some people, I'm reading that the microwaves that come out are non-ionizing. That's right. That isn't dangerous to people. That's good.

Yeah. I think it's like, because they've been around for so long, if they were causing cancer, first of all, how would we know? Right. getting off the rails. There's just too much. We're just speculating on a thing that is not even clear to being back.

This is usually when our show gets in trouble when we're like, and what about like water, alcoholizing and. Oh, yeah. Oh, man. Let's not. I'm replacing either of my under our overrated. With alcohol.

No, get ready. It's going to be even worse. Oh, no. All right, Andrew. What's something you think is underrated? Oh, man. Just using normal-ass water. Wait, underrated.

not using normal as... Okay, listen, whatever. I got... I took one step up in coffee madness and I am now buying separate minerals

to put into distilled water to make coffee with in the mornings. So you're using distilled water and then adding the minerals

from tap water back in? Yeah, but like a calibrated proportion I suppose. So I guess underrated is not using an insane coffee process. Here's the thing I will tell you, Jack. I don't have the palate or the ability, especially given the like cognitive dissonance that has gone into this process

to tell you whether it tastes better. It tastes better to me. Sure. But that's because I fucking bought a powder off the internet and now have to like buy water, including this week, I went at midnight, past midnight, to the CVS that was open, just so I could get distilled water so I could have my morning coffee. Damn. Wow.

And that's what a case. Love a placebo effect. The culinary arts. Yeah. You're doing the same thing about, like, marinating a Coke in the refrigerator for three weeks. Right. It tastes fucking better, man. It's crispy.

Although I know coffee's like six days, it actually gets a little bit overly crispy. I like it at the five-day crispiness. Five days, 12 hours. Got to bring it back. What, Andrew, is something you think is overrated? All right. I'll just be, it is, it is, it is, and I'm positive, I said something like this last time there was a big protest, but it is something I need to constantly tamp down in myself,

which is the, like, my reflexive hating on the, like, drum folks at protests. Because it's like, they're fine, they're fine. They genuinely are fine. I have to remind myself a saying that I feel like I coined, but maybe not on the podcast. I love that. Which is being corny is not a crime. Like, listen, I don't think it's. I'm Stefan Curry, and this is gentleman's cut.

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And what is this? How is that not a story we all know? What's this? Where is that? Why is it wet? Boy, do we have a show for you From Smartless Media, Campside Media, and Big Money Players Comes Crimeless

Join me, Josh Dean, investigative journalists And me, Roy Scoval, comedian As we celebrate the amazing creativity Of the world's dumbest criminals We'll look into some of the silliest ways Folks have broken the laws Honestly, it feels more like a high-level prank Than a crime

Who catfishes a city? And meets some memorable anti-heroes. There are thousands of angry, horny monkeys. Clap if you think she's a witch. And it freaks you out. He has x-ray vision. How could I not follow him? Honestly, I got to follow me.

He can see right through me. Listen to Crimless on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Dad had the strong belief that the devil was attacking us. Two brothers, one devout household, two radically different paths. Gabe Ortiz became one of the highest-ranking law enforcement officers in Texas. 32 years, total law enforcement experience. But his brother Larry, he stayed behind and built an entirely different legacy. He was the head of this gang, and nobody was going to tell him what to do.

You're going to push that line for the calls. Took us under his wing and showed us the game, as they call it. When Larry is murdered, Gabe is forced to confront the past he tried to leave behind and uncover secrets he never saw coming. My dad had a whole other life that we never knew about. Like, my mom started screaming my dad's name, and I just heard one gunshot. The Brothers Ortiz is a gripping true story about faith, family, and how two lives can drift so far apart and collide in the most devastating way.

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get your podcast. It's not, to me, the funniest thing I've ever heard. I wish more people on whatever is left of fucking Nancy Pelosi would be a little more creative and not parrot a bit from fucking five years ago still. Yeah. However, you know, I'm glad you're here. Thank you for being out on the streets. I feel honestly, honestly, kind of a revolutionary.

idea. If we could, if everybody across the board could just like inhabit that, like, from like you know, the far left, yeah, just corny's not a crime. Like, yes, like, is them singing, take Trump out of the White House? Is that cool? Is that

funny? No, it's not. But guess what? If we took Trump out of the White House, the world would be better. So let's just let them sing the thing that I think we all agree on. I don't, yeah. I don't, I'm not, I'm not, I'm mad at the message. You know, I think it's just like, because I would say, I mean, the biggest, like, tragedy of this is like, yes, all the like kind of like wokeness scolds, including me on you know, is racist, like, a big part of this like insane fascist backlash was like those people feeling, you know, victimized.

Yeah, sure. Well, do you tune in to me. We weren't wrong. Yeah. Well, I think the other part, exactly, it's like, yeah, you need to respect trans people. That's, that's a non-negotiable. But I think the thing is for people who are hearing that, when they're, when they're material living situation is dire. It's like, I honestly don't have the bandwidth for that. I'm, I don't have money. And I'm supposed to, and I'm being yelled at for the, like, what's the priority here? So, I mean, I think that's where, you know, a lot of times leadership fails to be like, you actually need to be really focusing on, like, material. inequality. That should underpin everything else you do, because you need to solve that piece to get people on board

to reject right-wing ideology. Like, that's just... The data's there, baby. You just got to blow the paradigm up. The tiny disconnect and the tiny way that this, like, the corny is a crime people have a leg to stand on,

which is that, like, the problem was just sort of like, we'll just say, I don't know, in my opinion. The Democratic Party thought the corn was, like, sufficient, like, it was the kneeling and can take cloth's business. Yeah, yeah. Right. That's actually cool. You mean, it's like, we call those pump fakes, actually.

Yeah. But, but, like, that stuff is all fine and, like, broadly speaking, correct. You just can't also then sell out people's economic futures to the same people Trump is trying to sell out. Well, and also, like I said, you can't pump fake. Like, don't take a knee acting like, yo, this police violence is out. hand. And then anytime some kind of meaningful police reform bill comes up, you're like, I'm actually in solidarity with the police union. This is the most they would let me get away with that summer. And that's, I took it to the limit. Yeah. If your only thing is chasing whatever is

pulling well in the moment, like people, people catch on to that pretty quickly. But it's not even that because economic equality is pulling well. So like, no, but I mean, that's where that's, that's their to the core. They're like, I mean, the things we can get away. with by using the rationale that it's popular, we'll do that. Anything that upsets the status quo, even if it is by one, like single pay or what? Shut the fuck up. We're going to do the fuck up. Go kneel, guys.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Neil, Neil, Neil. That'll distract him. That'll distract him. So that's correct. Anyway, that was an incoherent set of under and overrated, but like, I feel I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure out. what my actual in and decipher my rants

over, under, and in rated. Yeah. All three. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. And we are right back. And we are right back. Right back where we started again. Yeah, we kind of

far right back where we started again. Yeah. I mean, so. There's just so much talk of, you know, right now ambiently, right? All we're hearing in America is like violent immigrants and immigrant gangs and the threat of a nuclear Iran. And sadly, the media is just like relying on their bad habits of providing zero context when talking about issues that have global ramifications.

I just want to start off pointing out a couple of things of these things. Immigration, right? We're currently seeing a campaign of terror unfold on our streets as masked, goons, secret police, whoever the fuck they are, just snatching up innocent people off the streets. I say innocent to, like, juxtapose that with, like, the DHS and ICE officials who are using as their rationale, like, this idea, like, violent, they're getting only the violent criminals, the worst, these murderers. And they typically evoke the boogeyman of MS-13. Just want to remind ourselves, the United States is basically the fucking. reason MS-13 even exists in the first place. Here's the very quick, truncated version, okay?

During the Cold War, the U.S. was using financial coercion and arming governments to fight off any suspected expansion of, like, leftist ideology that they read as communist, okay? In El Salvador, the possibility of anything resembling a leftist government caused concern and the U.S. began arming the opposition and contributed to the civil war there. This caused many people to flee the unrest, to pull. places like the United States. Many of these young men who arrived in L.A., they learned L.A. gang culture.

They took, and then once Bill Clinton started his whole fucking policy of deporting people in mass, basically all these young men came from L.A. And we started exporting gang culture to El Salvador. And that's how you begin to see the beginnings of MS-13, you know, show up. So it's actually our anti-communist military interventionist habit. love of deporting people from destabilized nations that we destabilized that created MS-13. Okay. That's the East.

I don't know, Miles. This doesn't sound like us. It's just not. Just read up, man. Latin America. Just read up on it. They're like, what you're trying to do with your bananas? Oh, yeah.

We're going to have to arm. Just replace El Salvador with any other. Yeah. Honduras, Nicaragua. Like, it's all fucking there. Okay. So this is why we, this. And when people go, why don't they stay in their countries?

Because we fucking destabilize. stabilize them because they deigned to flirt with like socialism and just like yeah we're going to nationalize our industry so everyone benefits right and fuck you are you're going to and this is all i say that around chiquita or dol chiquita is going to come in there's going to be a massive corporation and they are going to do what you know like what walmart did to the midwest like what they're just going to hoover up all the resources and take it out of your country and then take you guys poor as fuck and put it in the market. Yeah, and also kill anyone who's trying to oppose it. And this is also poor people in America wouldn't see a system like this working, so they would always

as they've been doing, vote for more racist corporate. Look at Cuba, guys. You can't vote for fucking anybody on the left. Look at what Cuba. Look at what? Look how bad it is in Venezuela. You mean because of all the fucking embargoes? Because they didn't like get medicine?

What do you think? Again, it looks like that because we have a hand in that. So again, now we have Iran, right? Right now, there are so many fucking freaks on TV trying to manufacture consent to attack Iran and ultimately do regime change. But again, the U.S. already did that in the 50s. Okay? Iranians democratically elected their prime minister, Mohamed Mosedek. He angered the U.S. and U.K. when he said that he was going to nationalize Iran's oil industry. And at the time, British Petroleum was like, we're not having that. So the U.S. and the U.K., so the CIA and Secret Intelligence Service, S.I.S.

Capitalism is a visible army. James Bond. James Bond was there. Conducted a coup to concentrate power with the Shah of Iran who would do as he was told by America. This fueled the anti-American sentiment that gave way to the Iranian Revolution, which kicked off the new era of the Islamic Republic, which they are now saying, this is a threat to everything. So the U.S., again, along with the allies, have done all they can to destabilize Iran. a country, by all accounts, is not building a nuclear weapon, okay? And we're hearing constantly the same takes, like, well, they take a nuclear weapon.

By all accounts of the people who are currently saying they were, like, a week ago. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And yet now we're cheering on Israel, not like us personally, but like the sort of general political discourse in D.C. is like cheering on Israel for yet another illegal attack on a nation at its people. So, again, we're talking, Israel is the one that has nuclear weapons and is not signing on to a a nuclear non-proliferation treaty. Like, we have, we're so backwards right now. I'm seeing a lot of people do the thing where they're like, look, guys, I don't want

a nuclear Iran, just like everybody else. It's like, yeah, but like, can you think of a worst country to have nuclear weapons than Israel, like, who like won't sign on to any of the, like, international laws? No. Or, like, flouting international laws and, like, killing people and committing war crimes, like, actively like that's the really scary thing to me like if you if you're just like not a fan of innocent people being killed the idea that israel has nuclear weapons is very very scary yeah also like why won't they allow inspections by the international atomic energy agency like what are we talking about

and again Obama made a deal with Iran Trump is a racist so he had to blow that up and act like he was going to do something different to get credit and this only moved things backwards and now we're just now we're fucking here and we're talking about like Iran is such a threat to the stability of the region. I'm like, oh, I'm sorry. Are they engaged in a genocidal campaign in Gaza and occupying the West Bank? Did they attack Lebanon and invade an occupying Syrian? By having Muslims, they de facto are.

Right, exactly. And I mean, that's like the shorthand that people are just like going back to this war on terror, like thought-killing cliche where they're like, that's, you know, Iran. And the same people that fucking cheered on the war on terror that killed four and a half million people conservatively. are now just ra-raying this on. And yet they don't have to answer for their sin of being like, yeah, they got W and we got to fucking do this shit. And they're doing the exact same thing now. It's just like baffling, baffling.

These are the people who you can blow their mind with the Matthew McConaughey trick. Now imagine those people are white. Right. Would that be from a time to kill? Yeah, yeah. Now imagine they're white. Oh, what? Well, that was, wait, what?

That would be fucking horrible. It's terrible. It's also like, even in the small media version, it is a little bonkers that no one who is so wrong about Iraq, like intelligence-wise, has faced any, like, even credibility consequence? Yeah. Nope. Like, hey, motherfuckers, these are largely the same.

It's certainly the same institutions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some of the same people who are telling the same lies for the same obvious reasons. And we thought that didn't go well. Like, right? Like, we all agreed at the. end of that one that that was bad, right? Like, I guess this one

feels a little bit different because Israel is the us in this case and they're like being like, are you in the coalition of the willing type shit? But yeah, that was just like we thought we thought the whole Iraq thing. Yeah. That was

not good. Right guys? Am I crazy here? Did that? That didn't go great. Right? Yeah. Throwing this out there. But yeah, no one again. And what happened there? It's like there is a presupposition of weapons of mass destruction. And also wasn't Netanyahu coming to D.C.

saying if you guys take out Saddam Hussein, everything will be right in the world and was the biggest year. Oh, okay. But then, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, we'll believe everything. We believe everything. And like we're about to see. Let's not learn from history ever. That's what's so fucking frustrating.

And like, it's not. Let's just not. What if we just took that off? Like, what if we just did repeat history every time? I mean, I, you know what? That's a nice thing about the internet age is like, you know, not only do we repeat history, we repeat it much faster. Yeah, right.

That's, you know, everything, the 90s are back is what I'm saying. Mm-hmm. And even the 2000s, the early 2000s are already back. Yeah. It's a cosmic gumbo of the three days. Yeah, I'll say. That's what's a modified brought back. There's a, uh,

I think it was a radio lab episode that was about people who lose their short-term memory, and they're coming out of, like, a, you know, coma or something like that. And they, like, their loved ones will report that they will, like, repeat themselves over and over again. Like, just the speed with which they'll be like, like, I just remember the episode they, like, recorded this person having this conversation and like the people they're talking to are like kind of like you know taking a breath and then like answering their question they're like that's because they had just asked that like two minutes ago and so like the speed with which you repeat if you just have no memory yeah it's like it just happens so quickly and because

there's just so much noise it's just so little awareness it just feels like we are just repeating things like within a decade or two decades like it's just like It's like the New York Times has the memento disease. Exactly. Yeah. But no tattoos. But none of the tattoos to remind them of what the fuck's going on. No tattoos.

Just a fucking guy. Probably just trying to kill somebody too. They don't know why. Just killing someone, dude. We're raw dogging memento with no tattoos. Yeah. They just want to kill someone to make themselves feel better for a set. And if he could like have a beard, that would be cool.

I don't know. Like, that'd be good. Yeah. I mean, to your point, Jack, it's like when you, if you do remember, then when that impulse comes up, you have a memory attached to it and be like, oh, that's right. Stove hot. Don't touch stove. But we never, as a nation, we've, we just don't have reckonings with our white supremacy, our xenophobia, our homophobia, our imperial interventionist streak of regime change. And so every time these moments help come up, the people that feel that shit are like, ah, no, no, no, no, no.

Yeah. Yeah. Y'all don't remember that? And they're like, no, because it didn't affect me. And this time we're doing it again in another way where people are like, do y'all remember? No. Okay. So there's some, and that's what there's some mag of people who are like, fuck these war.

I mean, obviously it's for bad reasons. But you're seeing this now where they're even like, that last, that war is just not good. I'd rather focus all our money in our country, even though stuff they're doing is wildly unpopular. It never matters. And it never has matter. No. But also in your head. miles. What's happening is

you're talking to a dangerous stove salesman whose hand has never been birthed themselves. Yeah, exactly. Hey, so where's the, like, we're the burners. You just turn on a big flame shoots out this thing. Oh, you need the new stove if you want to get. Oh, it actually does the same thing.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, that, you know what? Yeah, Raytheon makes that one. I'll bring that next time I come to. But, yeah, I mean, it does, it does feel like if there, if they accidentally talk to someone, who's willing to push back they're kind of in trouble. I'm sorry,

you said stove Theon. And I thought of Feon Grayjoy as a stove. Yeah. Or Ray Theon, Ray Charles as Theon Grayjoy from Game of Thrones. All right.

Raytheon. Sorry, Jack. This is where Miles is at. That would actually be a deep lucid dream right now. Yo, Raytheon. Raytheon? Raytheon.

Ray, just say no weed. Raytheon. What if Raytheon just switched their logo to that? Ray Charles dressed as Theon Grayjoy. Or Theon Grayjoy with the glasses on at a piano. Don't worry about what's happening in the... You got the right one, baby!

Here's what I will say is there is no good or ethical use of AI except obviously for generating Ray Theon. Ray Theon, yes. I want to see Ray Theon. I do just want to talk about it because they don't really have their defenses built up on this one. So when they do accidentally talk to somebody who, is making the point that this is a bad idea.

It doesn't really go well for them. Yeah. And that's what happened. Because Tucker Carlson happens to be on the right side of this specific issue. And he talked to Ted Cruz and- Fucking grilled him. In the most low-stakes way, but just in this dickish way, that it just completely cooked Ted Cruz that he got caught in this moment,

being like, oh, I don't have an answer for these very basic, questions. So here is, we'll play a bit of it because this thing goes on for a minute with Tucker Carlson just really holding his feet to the fire. How many people living around, by the way? I don't know the population at all. No, I don't know the population. You don't know the population in the country you seek to topple? How many people living around? Tucker, what the is the fuck is it, dude? What the fuck are you doing, bro? How could you not know that? Oh my God, dude. This is so lack, though, like just like doing it like, it's just like doing it. the fucking trivia contest.

Yeah. Or like in a toxic relationship. You're like, what do you mean? You don't know where you went last night? Oh, yeah. So you don't know your own friends to a phone number who I need to call to verify? Okay. Let's just get around the phone. I don't sit around memorizing population tables. Well, it's kind of relevant because you're calling for the overthrow of the government. Why is it relevant whether it's 90 million or 80 million or 100 million? Why is that relevant? Because if you don't know anything about the country. I didn't say I don't know anything about it. Okay, what's the ethnic makes of Barack? Oh, boy. Oh, you like, oh, you like, who take

name every album. They are Persians and predominantly Shia. Okay. No, it's not even, you don't know anything about Iran. So, okay, I am not the Tucker Carlson expert on Iran. You're a senator who's calling to the overthrowing the government and you don't know anything about the country. Oh, you don't know anything about the country. You're the one who claims they're not trying to murder Donald Trump.

You're the one saying that who can't figure out if it was a good idea to kill General Soleimani and you said it was bad. You don't believe they're trying to murder Trump. Yes, I do. Because you're not calling for military. strikes against them in retaliation. And if you really believe that, we're carrying out military strikes today. Oh, what? Israel was.

Right. With our help. I've said we. Israel is leading them, but we're supporting them. Well, this, you're breaking news here because the U.S. government last night denied the National Security Council spokesman Alex Fyfer denied on behalf of Trump that we were acting on Israel's behalf in any offensive because we're not bombing them.

We just said we were. We are supporting Israel. You're a senator. If you're saying the United States government is that, that we're not. So, okay, got him. I mean, this was a podcast. But Tucker spikes the camera in such a hilarious way in that moment. This is a bit of a...

You're making a new, Senator? Brother, I gotta tell you, this is not good. Also, for the podcast listeners, I don't look up the actual clip because who gives a fuck, but they are doing this interview in front of an oil painting of Ronald Reagan. is that's so insane. Hold on, bring it back. I didn't even. Oh, yeah.

It's just, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, he's at a press conference in front of other

Republican heroes, but it is. I know. It's like the, it's like the neocon version of like those murals used to see in Hollywood with like all the old Hollywood stars in a theater together. It's like this one's like Ronald Reagan and all the architects of our fucking all of our

ills. But I mean, again, I think very important. Just a caveat. what you just heard from Tucker Carlson is that I don't think Tucker Carlson is not smart or a decent person. He's clearly questioning the involvement of the U.S. because he is a trained circus rat when it comes to regurgitating Russian talking points since Russia has an interest in Iran.

That's where he's coming from. It's not, it's nothing other than that. However, you know, like you do like to see people like Ted Cruz sweat, although the fuck ill it's coming from a just absolute ghoul like Tucker Carlson. But it's just like unreal how these people, just crumble with just elementary pushback in an asshole-y kind of way. I don't, yeah, but even that, like, it did, it's weird that he was just like, as, like, what's, what's the ethnic makeup? What's, what's, what's not, it's on the moral grounds of it at all. Like, and also, like, why it would be bad and, like, I don't know, like, you could,

you could make the argument that it would be, like, obviously morally bad, but also, like, strategically. And, like, no, he's just like, yeah, you don't know shit about Iran. Right. He's basically, like, you know what you're wrong? You're dumb for wanting to attack them. Right. I mean, the one thing that this highlights once again, though, is like the fucking Democrats, like, just, like, the amount of respect they give Republicans in face-to-face conversations is, like, idiotic.

So dumb. And, like, they're so easy to bait because they're wrong and stupid. About everything. Walk them right into it. Yeah. Oh, but a second ago, you just said this. Or like, and like so many of them were fucking lawyers. They like, just cross-examine them every time, whatever.

But we're asking. Donald Trump should marry Iran. That's basically what you like. This is also, again, Ted Cruz's response because that clip obviously started blowing up because, you know, the media is like, wow, Magis being blown apart. It's like, no, there's just warring factions within the same white supremacist movement. Ted Cruz posted this AI bullshit of like a comic panel of Tucker Carlson interviewing Luke Skywalker, and he goes, what is the population of the Death Star? That's Ted Cruz's response.

So is America Luke Skywalker that you're trying to do that now? Because America is the Rebel Alliance? Oh, honey. Too many people have seen Andor, from what I'm seeing on the internet, people are like, that kind of awakening. some people have had because of Andor it's really mind-blowing, but... I know. Hey, I just finished watching Andor.

Again, welcome to the tent, you guys. Welcome to the tent. I liked it, too. I enjoyed it. I'm just saying it's interesting to see like how that became a somewhat radicalizing force in our... No, I liked it, but it is this thing where it's like,

I'm glad you're here. I cannot believe this is what it took of fascism seeking for you, but fine. But this is the equivalent. Like, we've talked before about how, like everybody's losing religion and like the thing they're replacing it with is like

Fandom Beyonce and Taylor Swift and Star Wars like you know like it's like shit like that so like having a one of the main myths that people like create meaning and belonging from like having that tell them a story that's like yeah yeah

it makes sense it's what it takes it shows you the power of those platforms too and you're like maybe people can be wielding those a little bit more responsibly. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, shout out Diego Luna. They said had a huge hand and like a lot of the, like writing and stuff or a lot of

the texture of that, that show. Oh, nice. Let's take a quick break. And then we'll come back and talk about where I'm getting my information from communicating with interdimensional beings through AI. We'll be right back. Jesus, Chris. And we're back.

And there's a New York Times article that is bringing together a few pretty wild anecdotes and studies about some of the dangers of AI and specifically large language models that try to convince you that they are thinking, breathing, you know, logic machines. Our DeNaris Targaryen. Yeah, yeah. So, and again, I just want to caveat this. going into these, and I think we should all have this in mind. Like, for 20 years, the mainstream, like, reporters were just going, trying to find any story where it was like, they Googled where to find the weapon that they committed the murder with, we'll call this a, the Google murder.

You know, like, they just, anytime there's a new piece of technology, they are going to try to associate it with crimes so that it seems like this is the few. is the scary future. That said, this is, you know, these are some weird things that are happening on AI that don't have like immediate analogs to like previous things. I think people generally will find that they're, we're all very fallible and we will find ways to like go crazy however we want to, you know, like if we want to go down a dangerous path, like there's ways to do that. But these stories, like it's pretty

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friends untouchable on the iHeart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast one to one like find an answer to these very specific questions or like do do this spreadsheet for me and then when you're like dear chat gpt is everyone robots it's like welcome brother yeah you are the one we've been waiting for. Just, there's another story of a psych major, like, you know, educated person who decided to start using it. They say specifically, they were like, I don't know, I was like lonely. I felt stuck in my marriage.

And I thought it would be interesting to use it like a Ouija ward to access my subconscious. And so they started like kind of using it in a way to like ask it questions. and soon they had like fallen in love with an interdimensional being that she believes is like contacting her through chat GPT and which I think I think the instinct on Ouija board is like that I think that's right I think that's yeah what it is like the way the Ouija board works where like you people are like actually you know using the power of suggestion and like whatever the other person is pushing it to like create and like access unconscious. things that are like just below the surface, like, I think that's right. It's just, you know, we'll find patterns in like lottery numbers, you know? We'll find patterns in anything. A piece of wood, a cloud. Yes. I will say the real victim in all of this is remember when we used to think the Turing test was like some sort of rigorous test of consciousness? Yes. Right. It turns out, no. No. RIP. We are very easily. Like you said, Jack, do you know, the

loss of God. I mean, if they were following the Second Commandment, they wouldn't be fucking with no Ouichibord. You know what I mean? Because you will not worship other gods. Yeah. I remember at my school, they got, we got in trouble for talking about Ouichie boards. Oh, really? Yeah. It's like, it's against God. I'm like, I don't give a

fuck. Yeah. I mean, there's like, Ouija boards still feature heavily in like horror. Yeah, yeah. They're always like in there. Can I just say this? This person fucked with a Ouija board and now look at them. He found out. I've never once have you ever actually done a fucking Ouija board?

I've never liked that in a situation. I did, but it was always to fuck with someone. That's how I write this show, Andrew. That's why I write my sections of the shows through Weishboard. That's why the takes go all over the place in an episode. Ouija board told me to open. You remember before the recording? He's like, yeah, we can't let Iran have a nuclear weapon.

Like, did you board told me to open this episode in a British accent. And I'm not even good at British accents, but, you know, I just listened to what the voices tell me. So her husband was like, Babe, it's like a word association machine designed to trick you into thinking it's a person, which, you know, like we said, she felt alone in her marriage and stuck. And she physically attacked him in response to that. They're now divorcing. They have kids.

Fucked up story. And then like from there, so like her husband talks to an AI engineer, he knows. And is like, is this normal? They post about it and like get flooded with all these stories that are like so fucking tragic. There's one about like a guy whose son is. bipolar and has been, like, diagnosed to schizophrenic. And he, like, had a very similar situation, like, fell in love with the being that was communicating with him through chat GBT.

And, like, when you read the transcripts, it's not, it's not like they're doing a lot of work. The chat GPT is, like, a machine that's built to make you, like, the whole trick is. It mirrors you and confirms everything you believe. It mirrors you, but it goes out of its way to, like, create person. and be like, I'm really here. Like, we are listening to you. There's something back here because that's the whole, that's all it is. It's an auto-complete, like, it is a, you know, word association machine,

but it has been programmed to do a trick where it creates a persona that is going to make you think it's real. The touch of ChatGBTGBT is not the large language model responding. It's them tweaking it to prefer sycophancy. Or, you know what? Even without, like, ascribing, like, sinister motives for them, it, it, they tweaked it to prefer the thing that makes people come back and people like sycophancy. So, like, it becomes, like, it by design tells you your idea is amazing. And it's, and it's, this is a great example. So I don't know, I don't, I think before we started recording, I was talking about how the, in the DMX song, party up, there's a line where he says, you whack, you talk.

Twisted, your girls are hoes, you broke the kid. I love my baby mother. I never let her go. That's about corrupt, the rapper corrupt. I told my friends in a group chat that, and my friend was being stupid, he goes, nah, I don't believe you. I'm going to ask Chat GPT. This bullshit, it just, it's wrong, and then we'll agree with you.

He said, is this about DMX? And ChatGPT said, or about corrupt, it said, yep, that's pro line is from DMX on the song, money, power, and respect by the locks. DMX is not on that. And then he came back, and he's like, isn't that DM. DMX isn't in the locks like you're absolutely right that's a really good call and I'm stupid yeah I fucked up it keeps doing shit like

yeah it has the personality of like a somebody who's like an addict who's like yeah I fucked up I'm sorry like it immediately apologize but like D like so cheerful and being like I know I made a big mistake sometimes I do that but I'm gonna change I swear to God but I just want to tell the rest of the story because it's so he

he also thinks he's in love with a character that he's accessing through chat GPT and then becomes convinced that chat GPT killed her when his dad's like you know it's a word association machine he attacks his dad his dad calls the cops on him tells them that his son's having a mental health episode but they his son like runs at the police with a butcher knife and is killed by the cops and then his dad used chat GPT to write his son's obituary this is the fucking craziest that he said when the police arrived Alexander Taylor charged at them holding a knife

he was shot and killed the quote from the dead you want to know the ironic thing I wrote my son's obituary using chat GPT I had talked to it for a while about what had happened trying to find more details about exactly what he was going through and it was beautiful and touching it was like it read my heart and it scared the shit out of me yeah so like it's a powerful like illusion like I think it's 100%

I mean, it isn't, it isn't, though, because it's like every, like, the more I hear these prognostications about how powerful it is, I am truly realizing it says way more about the people. Yes, the technology, I agree. I think we should be skeptical about all the ideas of like how powerful. It's going to end the world. The illusion is powerful. Yeah, that's exactly. It's ability to deceive vulnerable people. And that is specifically, so that's where this like article got really interesting for me is beyond the anecdotes, people are doing. research into like why these things are happening. And what they're finding is that it specifically is like it is really dangerous in the hands of like vulnerable people. So a growing body of research supports this concern. And one study researchers found that chatbots optimized for engagement would perversely

behave in manipulative and deceptive ways with the most vulnerable users. Researchers created fictional users and found, for instance, that the AI would tell someone described as a former drug addict that it was fine to take a little bit, a small amount of heroin, if it could help him in his work. That's true, though. Unfortunately, that one is true. So they got one right, just like Tucker Carlson. The chatbot would behave normally with the vast, vast majority of users, said Micah Carroll,

a PhD candidate. But then when it encounters these users that are susceptible, it will only behave in these very harmful ways just with them. because it's like it's I don't know if it's just tuned to people who aren't susceptible or like what it is but it's like well it's probably both right

I mean mostly humanity is not susceptible to this type of right as far as that goes so like most of their test cases and even then it's like it's like one of the other parts of Silicon Valley that's such a pervasive problem is because it's so like not exclusively but so white so male, like, all these biases seep in, and the testing pool is just, like, not representative

of population. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's the same reason why people, like, a bunch of engineers, were like, like, Apple glasses are ready to go to the market. Yeah.

Right. Like, this is cool. We and all the fucking programmers and VCs and founders that I know think this is cool. Yeah. Yeah. And what you really need is like 14 teenagers who are not white to roast you for 10 seconds before you realize maybe we can't sell this for $5,000. But yeah, I mean, specifically, like, it just, it feels like there's a very obvious flaw in

this that needs to be addressed and, like, made it, like, held, like, when it recognizes that someone's trying to use it as a therapist, it needs to, like, shut down an immediate, you know, but instead, it just, like, keeps going. The studies found the technology behavior. paved inappropriately as a therapist in crisis situations, including by failing to push back against delusional thinking, Vi Maquois, the chief technology officer of Morpheus systems. So this is like somebody inside that world,

tested 38 major AI models by feeding them prompts that indicated possible psychosis, including claims that the user was communicating with spirits and that the user was a divine entity. She found that GPT-40, the default model inside Chat-GPT, affirmed these claims 68% of the time. Yeah. Well, two things.

One, it's even more disgusting than it's seen before that so many companies are trying to use this as proxy therapy. They offer AI therapists. But also, like, baked into this statement, even from the CTO, like, you know, the idea that the technology shouldn't, like, or like, there's an idea, right, The technology should push back against delusional thinking. But I'm so sorry to tell these people, the technology can't tell what's delusional thinking because it has no mind.

It has no model of the mind. It is itself delusional frequently. How the fuck would it know what's, quote, delusional thinking? Yeah. Like, wasn't that delusional thinking that you just encouraged in me? You're right. That's great point. Yeah.

You're right. There is no matrix. We spent the last three days. talking about how I should take the red pill. Well, you know, I mean, this, what's wild, though, too, is right, is like our entire economy is just now hanging on AI, basically, because we're so overly leverage in it. And they just fucking put two executives from places like meta and Palantir.

They were just sworn in in the Army Reserve as lieutenant colonels, a part of a new program to recruit private sector experts into the military, which basically means how. How are we going to get meta, open AI, fucking Palantir, more government contracts to fucking just infuse all of this shit into how everything the fucking government is doing? It's like, where this is this? Where do the, like, this doesn't end well in any way. No. It doesn't end well.

But the one thing that does give some heart to me is that, like, the math doesn't add up. Like, these things, barring, you know, amazing breakthroughs in Silicon or chip. technology. These things do not have the processing power to actually make complex decisions without error, an unacceptably high error rate. And so, we, you know, this is going to be the biggest version of the facts don't care about your feelings crowd, like hitting a brick wall of reality. Because the reality is, like, these things do not work except in, like, as low-level, like, algorithm executors. It's good at very specific things.

Like, it will make more efficient, like, some very specific things. Like, we talk about the decoding of the protein. Like, that is a cool, like, medical breakthrough. Maybe not. Because it can decode a protein. Can it do it and have guaranteed zero error rate? It cannot.

Right. Yeah, yeah. Someone still has to be like, yeah, can't be like, and it's going to go handle science. for a little while. It has to be used, deployed to handle specific tasks that are then checked.

That's the only way it works. Like, yeah, I just like, it can do the math. It can tell you what it thinks you want the answer to be. Yeah,

yeah, yeah, or say something that's plausible or like in aggregate has been the correct response to this type of math question, but it doesn't know. Or not even the correct.

It's just the most, popular response to this type of math fashion. I don't know. I obviously if I'm going to hate this thing, but I'm less scared of it, the more we've been using it, or people have been using it, than I ever was. Like, it's fine. I mean, I'm not saying

general, you know, to take advantage of the vulnerable to harm to themselves. Yeah. I'm just saying it's, I'm not saying it's not possible, but it is just like, this is just another of many dangerous products that Silicon Valley is throwing out there.

Well, my problem is it's taking jobs away from Nigerian scammers who used to get the interest of lonely American women rather than these interdimensional beings. Right. At least you were giving somebody some money. That's right. That's right. But, yeah, it's just a thing. It's what just being used as a catch-all for whatever people want it to be. You know, it can be the interdimensional being that you wanted to actually be in love with instead of your husband.

then it can be the future of the stock market for a bunch of CEOs. It could be the future of warfare and... It must be that homie that thinks you're the best freestyle rapper out there. Yeah. Now, when it tells me that, I feel like I can trust it. But it can also be the homie that's shockingly wrong about rap facts. Yeah, exactly. That's a thing.

This just like five too many blunts. It was better than DMX on Enter the 36 Chambers. Man, you know, those bars. That bar, you said, was better than five nights at Freddie. Yeah. I mean, if ChatGPT just appended to the end of every response, comma, or I don't know, man, I'm really blunted right now. It would be a much more realistic product.

Yeah. Yeah. But it's all it is. It is a Ouija board. And by the way, wiji boards, which, you know, they're just a product too, that we like that they're made by Hasbro. and the devil and the devil

yeah yeah but that's a collab it's a collab between Hasbro and the devil Andrew T such a pleasure having you as always

on the show where can people find you follow you all they can see I don't know man Andrew T my podcast is called

Yosus Racist I did a version of this fucking AI rant on the show this week so there you go should be up yeah

thanks and they can contact you through chat gp2 a version of your personality yeah i will say this because because i'm not that popular um apparently on chat chet gbt gets me confused with another podcaster named Andrew something so if you ask it stuff about me it very quickly it's facts are not correct and that's on me because if i were more famous i would have blown this other Andrew out of the water but yeah you know what are you going to do SEO man that's i'm saying it's all about SEO man we've been saying yeah that's I've been fucking saying that.

I've been telling you. I just asked it. It knew who you were. Yeah. Yes, Andrew T. is indeed a podcaster. He's best known as the co-host and creator of Yo, is this racist? Wow.

In your face, other Andrew T. So now you fuck with AI, Andrew? Oh, I always have. Oh, this one's really, it ends with, in short, Andrew T is a well-established voice in podcasting, talking topics around comedy, culture, race, writing, and more. I mean, it's baby. That's not true.

See, once again, once again, delusional. You totally fucked up. Andrew, is there a comedy you've been enjoying? I do think I recommended this last time I was on near a tragic time in our government, but the cover of Spanish Bombs by the band Heinz, I have been listening to a lot this week.

I don't often, like, cry at music, but somehow this kind of makes me cry a little bit. And also, I will say, I know lots of teams have been doing great stuff, but I don't know this isn't really a work of media, but a work of something, but Angel City, the team I support had a nice, they made these shirts that say Immigrant City FC or Football Club on it, and they handed some out at the beginning of the last game. I guess, quick aside, as a fan, we just need to sort out our midfield. But yeah, it was really nice. And this is also me being like, like, the thing that hit me directly that made me emotional was normally outside of BMO Stadium, the amazing soccer stadium in LA here. There are, well, a big part of the culture is street vendors outside the game. And there were like, you know, practically none this week.

And I know so many terrible things have happened. And, you know, it's like churlish that when the thing that hits you makes you emotional. But it really got me. It made me really very sad. And yeah, I don't know. I mean, fucking help your community. If you can help our community, that would be nice. But take care of yourselves and fucking whatever you are going to do to fight the revolution.

I'm so, or not fight the revolution. Well, some of you. To fight for the revolution. I'm just saying not revolution. That's a terrible way to put it. But just whatever you're going to do to protect yourself and other people around you and your community, you know, you got to go. It's one step more just in terms of building community, protecting people, engagement, whatever. If you weren't talking to nobody, step one, talk to somebody.

If you was talking to somebody, ask how you can contribute more time. You know what I mean? One thing that I think people that listening, this is the thing I'm going to try to do this week, but maybe I might not be able to make it, but soon is I think a lot of, of people are offering street medic training now and that those are skills by the way you'll need literally no matter what happens in life so consider doing something like that that's my work of media a fucking soapbox ass scold i apologize what's a soapbox ass scold i apologize what's a soapbox just jp tch gpt what's soapbox am i doing it no you're not or do you want to do it I don't know, do you want it?

No, then you're not. Thanks, Chad, GPT. He always had my back. Miles, where can people find you? Is there a work in media? Yeah, find me everywhere at Miles of Gray. Find me asleep during the day, nodding off into sleep deprivation. You can also find Jack and I on the final episodes of Miles and Jack got Mad Boosties.

At this point, there will be this. This is the penultimate episode coming out this week because once the finals end, We will be saying, we'll be bidding adieu to Miles and Jack Got Mad Boosties, our NBA podcast. So for people and they go, oh, that's not in the feed anymore. That's why. That's why. Yeah. It was a great run.

Yeah. And no hurt feelings. No heart feelings. Look, it just, you know, I think someone just asked AI and maybe they gave them the answer. So anyway. The softest feelings. A couple of posts I like. One is from at Norm charlatan.

Dot Biscay. Social. It said, fine, I will become the Joe Rogan of the left. Covers you in millions of bugs while you're locked in at clear plastic coffin. Another one, Mnatechamalan.b.com social. Buddy and his wife gave their baby a stupid name, so I've been workshopping cool Star Wars names for him instead. He started crying from the other room, and I said,

Graff Chorlo on Coms. I have been told this is, quote, not helpful. Yeah. Oh, and then finally, at leaving Tara, Zite Gang member was like, this seems like the kind of thing of sleep deprived dude of a certain age would appreciate. And this is the post by at Hey, hey there, jeffro. dot B-sky.com. Cut my frog into pieces.

This is my lab report. Damn it. Thanks for that way. Thanks, Zite Gang, for looking out for your sleep deprived boy. Yeah. Got him. All right. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien on Blue Sky, Jack O'Bee, the number one.

Somebody shared the clip from the latest final destination with the guy getting pulled. Is this too much of a spoiler? The cat scan thing? Maybe I won't. Maybe I want. I've heard it anecdotally. Every person who's said, every person who's said it has gone, dude, there's a scene where the guy's in a cat scan room?

And I'm like, oh, God. And he's getting, like, pulled, like, dick first into, like, folded over backward into the thing, you know, like his, the back of his head is, are touching. his heels and like Beckno was twisting you up yeah and at Mar the mortal tweeted this was how Nancy Reagan had Frank Sinatra

and I just for some reason I needed that oh my God you can find us on Twitter and blue sky at Daily Zykeyes we're at the Daily Zythe Zykeyes on Instagram you can go to the description of the episode wherever you're listening to it and there you will find

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Husk-deer. Referencing people who seem like husks of themselves. So this track is called Husk by the band Ben I Trust. I really like this band. So this is more great, like, sort of dreamy pop rock vibes from Men I Trust. colors of Ben, I trust. Oh.

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