The Daily Zeitgeist - Tragic Kingdom, Millionaires To The Rescue? 7.14.20

Episode Date: July 14, 2020

In episode 671, Jack and Miles are joined by the Forgotten: Women of Juárez's cohost Oz Woloshyn to discuss Disney re-opening this past weekend, white supremacy terrorism watch, millionaires begging to be taxed, and more!FOOTNOTES: Proposed Asylum Rule- Public Comment Resources Florida shatters single-day infection record with 15,300 new cases Disney World Reopening Gets Mixed First Reactions As Fans Give Park’s Welcome Back Videos Horror Treatment Walt Disney World employees petition to delay reopening as coronavirus cases surge in Florida Disney World Draws Excitement and Incredulity as Reopening Nears Actors’ Equity Says Walt Disney World “Retaliating” Over Coronavirus Testing Demand; Disney Says Park Protocols Accepted By Other Unions – Update Mandatory masks, Mickey at a distance as Walt Disney World reopens ‘Inviting Disaster’: Disney World Reopening Inspires Worry From Health Experts, Optimism From Some Workers BREAKING: Hong Kong Disneyland to Close Again Due to Slight Rise in COVID-19 Cases 'We don't want to die': Father livestreams multi-town police chase with 5 kids in van Racist Flat-Earther Caught With 30 Bombs Trying To Blow Up Building Protesters hit by cars recently highlight a dangerous far-right trend in America Millionaires For Humanity WATCH: Dinner Party - First Responders Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Tucker Carlson, who was busted writing racist stuff on a... Had the gig of his dreams. And let it get right through his racist little fingertips. Yeah. Fuck Zuckerberg. Fuck Jeff Bezos.

And fuck J.K. Rowling. It's Tuesday, July 14th, 2020. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. I was the clear crack knight. A mere white dude. Jack O'Bee was on the street trying to consume some tent for the eve so the cokes could go get fucked just talking on the mic potting all alone then i hit up my friend her majesty on a mission trying to find mr miles of g with hose nie every day all week

all you hoes know what's up with tZ. That is courtesy of Walter Chestnut. And I am thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! Do-do-do-do-do. Do-do-do-do. Do-do-do-do. Do-do-do-do-do. Yes, I want tuna subs. A sub made of fish is a foot long just for me.

Hanging out the subway all day. Tuna all day. Bring that tuna to me. Okay, so thank you so much to Walter Chestnut, Water Chestnut, at Water Chestnut on Twitter. You know who you are for that scrubs inspired. Oh, that was all the way from Vancouver, British Columbia, come those twin AKAs.

Miles, how you doing? Good. Hydrating. How's this week kicking off for you? Yeah. Oh, you know, California's shut back up, baby. Yeah, yeah. Shut her down.

That's really the, I don't know. I mean, I don't think I was really living as if it were open anyway. But more just like at the absolute... This is the waking nightmare of 2020 America. Yeah, yeah. Well, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the very talented Mr. Oz Woloshin. Rather Mr. Oz Woloshin than the talented Mr. Oz Woloshin. Rather Mr.

Oz Woloshin than the talented Mr. Ripley, but thank you for having me on. Thanks for being here, man. I'm about as well as can be, as you guys were mentioning. It's obviously a rather difficult time

in lots of ways for lots of people, so I'm feeling grateful but also tired yeah yeah where are you where are you uh broadcasting to us from at the moment i'm broadcasting to you from continental europe um but i yeah i i left the states about two months ago so um oh wow what happened well funny enough, my girlfriend and family are here. And you know what? It really, it's strange being a kind of insider outsider and somebody who moved to the States 10 years ago

and always somebody who's had so much admiration for the States and jumped through quite a lot of hoops, frankly, to be able to stay there for 10 years. Now, why did you use the past tense when you said had a lot of admiration for the states well it's a it's a difficult moment he figured it out jack i mean they figured it out i think i think a lot of the a lot of the hypocrisy and violence that has been required to keep the american dream alive is is being very radically exposed for better but these these revolutions in in consciousness and perhaps more than consciousness don't tend to go off too easily and i think in the background as well is

the fact that there's any way this america chinaina power shift going on, which kind of exacerbates this authoritarian tendencies and neurosis about status. And I think it's just a very difficult cocktail of things right now in the land of the free and the home of the brave. Yes, and we use the air quotes for free and brave and land. That was kind of beautiful we should ask uh people who aren't panicking in the middle of the uh apocalypse to describe what they see from a distance more often because that was uh that was well put um

yeah it's always like nice to hear because it's so eloquent and accurate. And I'm like, yeah, man. And then I'm like, oh, fuck. I'm there right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right, right. OK, so we've got to open our eyes a little bit. That's the reason I'll come back, though, is because you get way too much credit, even now, in the States for being British.

So that's an irresistible inducement to come back. All right. Well, we are going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about today. One thing we're talking about is one location in these United States where everything is just A-OK, and that is Disney World. Just the happiest place on Earth. Everybody's smiling, wearing their masks, social distancing.

They opened up this weekend. And yeah, it looks good from where I'm sitting. So we're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about just a bunch of racist shit there is a a white supremacist who was found with uh guns and bombs in their car uh one of those news stories that were at any other ideology would have been a big news story we're going to talk about car rammings uh which is a form of terrorism that is seeing a spike We're going to talk about car rammings, which is a form of terrorism that is seeing a spike. We're going to talk about millionaires begging to be taxed. We're going

to get our white supremacy fuckery roundup. And if we have time, we're going to talk about lead poisoning, the lead poisoning theory of crime in these United States. And I'm going to ask the question, is it just crime? Are there other things that were caused by the fact that the baby boomers grew up in a lead-poisoned environment? All of that, plenty more. But first, Oz, we like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? Well, I am working on a podcast at the moment called Forgotten, the Women of Juarez, about this string of unsolved murders in Juarez, right across the border from El Paso, Texas. And I have a reporting partner called Monica, who is from El Paso and has spent 15 years reporting on the story.

And one of the interesting things about El Paso is that Spanglish is the language of the town. So people start their sentences in English and end them in Spanish or vice versa. And I have a rather rudimentary command of Spanish, but I've been taking Spanish lessons on Skype once a week to try and improve my grasp and try and understand a bit more about what's going on. And so one word in particular I googled is metido. And metido means involved or trapped. And it's an important word in Juarez because it signifies how organized crime, the cartel, and other powerful interests keep people silent and keep people complicit in all kinds of crimes. And so I think the phrase I was more familiar with before was plata o plomo from Pablo Escobar, meaning silver or lead,

the bullet or the bribe. But metido is what happens after that, and the consequences in a society are rather horrific. So they get the, you mean, once they take the bribe, they're sort of involved and complicit, and therefore they just, it's sort of a sunk cost where they feel like they can't turn around? Exactly. And I think there's a tendency, a psychological tendency, of doubling down and down and down and down. So, you know, it might start with, hey, can you watch this corner? Or, you know, hey, can you smuggle this package?

But once you have a connection with the beast of organized crime in Juarez, the logic of it tends to be, you know, deathly, literally. And so, you know, it's interesting to, you know, we think about people in the cartel or an organized crime who, you know, are of inherent evil. And certainly when we see some of the things they do, that's what it looks like. And for some, they probably are psychopaths, but there's also this sort of social consequence of violence the normalization of violence and the small steps towards violence which um have been going on horrifically in juarez for for many years but which uh also for some kind of warning i think

there was a journalist who called juarez a postcard from the future or a laboratory of our future in 1995 and uh and so that's one of the subtexts of the podcast is what happens when things are allowed to go to hell, when the judiciary is no longer independent, when journalists are murdered, and you end up seeing the most vulnerable people in society being murdered. Wow.

That show is up. People can go listen to it right now, right? That's right, yes. We're on episode 8 of 10 so the mystery is unraveling yeah it's pretty mind-blowing and you guys are great storytellers uh what is something you think is underrated i think 1984 by george orwell is underrated uh and i'm only saying that because i'm reading it for the first time right now having used the word orwellian and the phrase 1984 for the last 20 years i thought it was time to time

to read that book and it is phenomenally prescient it's a book written in 1949 which talks about telescreens these screens that are with us all the time which which basically monitor us and send propaganda our way. I mean, this was before Orwell had probably even seen a television that he'd basically predicted cell phones. And secondly, you know, unfortunately, sorry to be a bit bleak again, but this critique of what happens when a society becomes authoritarian, when, you know, we lose the freedom of expression and even of thought, how difficult it is to resist. And also how it's like the frog in the pot. You don't realize how hot it is until it's too late to jump out.

Yeah, I think right now it's happening where people are looking at a TV screen where a president who's by most measurable standards not fucking here uh is like laughing as hundreds of thousands of people die and everyone's just kind of like mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm like the reaction is just sort of this this nihilistic acceptance of it power it's like it's a very unique thing especially when you take a second to really kind of like read out loud or think out loud what like the sort of statistics we're looking at day by day and what the behavior is of the supposed leadership in the country and the past it's hard i mean it's hard to know you know how to be a citizen obviously in the immediate term protest is is is very

important and achieving great things. But what is the, you know, is there a revolution coming? I mean, let's say, let's say the best case scenario in the 2020 election is Joe Biden becoming president. Is he and his cabinet going to address the fundamental structural issues that have got us here? I mean, he's described himself as a transition candidate, but we could do, I think, with something more powerful than transition or stability to rally around right now. Absolutely.

Yeah, a lot of people were pointing out to me on Twitter just in response to kind of some of the conversations we were having about the United States and United States being very capitalistic and sort of drenched in this capitalistic ideal. But a lot of the things that we're talking about that currently exist in the U.S. are more either authoritarian or oligarchical institutions that aren't capitalistic. Because a capitalistic system of government or society is meritocratic, and we just don't have that even remotely right now.

No, it's extraordinary that the social mean, the social mobility in the US is historical lows, the accumulation of wealth amongst the richest people at historical highs. I mean, I was thinking about the end of the Soviet Union in 1991, because there's this extraordinary story about the last cosmonaut who went up to space when it was still the Soviet Union, and then couldn't come back because there was no more soviet union to bring him home so he was circling around until finally germany paid for him to come home to a different world and i was thinking about the space race because we just had you know spacex sent two nasa scientists into the into orbit and it's like you know that was a great

moment for trump and pence and they talked space, but they were standing there gloating over the outsourcing of NASA to private industry. And it's like, how can this be something to celebrate? Yeah. Well, I think that's sort of what it's all been. Like all of these great programs that were built up are slowly just get sort of privatized essentially. So like this fire sale of infrastructure.

Right. What is something you think is overrated? Well, funny you mentioned the rich people begging to pay more taxes at the beginning of the show. I've been thinking a lot about, you know, rich people doing good things as being overrated. I mean, there's been all these conspiracies about Bill Gates, which obviously I don't buy.

And I celebrate what the Gates Foundation does and I'm impressed by his work. But the real conspiracy is that you have someone who has tens of billions of dollars in the first place and can run some kind of shadow mixture of the World Health Organization and the State Department. It's like, I'm glad he's doing it because in the abdication of everybody else doing this it's good that it's happening but like

how could it not be how can it be that you know the united states this incredibly rich and powerful country has basically let an oligarchy as you mentioned take control of the functions of the state i mean it's no it's no surprise that that people are so angry yeah i mean he has lobbied his company has lobbied all like people who are billionaires have chosen to be billionaires um and they are choosing that and the solutions of them you know being basically oligarchs who solve other people's problems over you know having a healthy social safety net uh in in its place um one way or another you know um obviously bill gates can't snap his fingers and suddenly we have a great social safety net but uh along the way he's made lots of decisions that you know are are are counter to a strong social safety net.

I also think it's unreasonable to expect people to act strongly against their own interests. I mean, that's why we have a state in the first place. It's supposed to balance the wealth of society in a fair way. And so the idea that it's a solution to have people who are grossly enriched themselves volunteer to de-enrich themselves, I mean, it seems to be a little bit pie in the sky. So... I wonder if those are like the wealthy people there.

They seem to be all the wealthy people who didn't manage to get their hands into politics or like get them there. They're like, I mean, I could have done it like the other wealthy people which is to just you know blow out the house and senate with their money and and get their jollies off like that fuck the cocks yeah and finally what is a myth what's something people think is true you know to be false or vice versa well um i'm sorry again i'm mixture of the times and the topic of my of my podcast it's another heavy one but um but border violence uh beginning with donald trump is is something of

a myth i mean trump has been extraordinarily uh horrific i think with the encouragement of stephen miller his policy advisor on policies like family separation, which was actually piloted. It's extraordinary you would pilot a program like that, but piloted in El Paso to test how it worked. Did it put people off from coming? But to focus on Trump as the source of all malfeasance at the US-Mexico border is probably wrong. And in fact, if you go back to 1992, under President Clinton, there was something called Operation Hold the Line, which was one of the first efforts to militarize the border after a former cartel lookout who became the US congressman in El Paso before Beto O'Rourke

encouraged his border patrol agents to form a human wall along the border to try and demonstrate how understrained border patrol was and how much they needed more resources, which indeed came from the federal government. Reports suggest it was spent on the construction of some physical barriers by a company belonging to a family member of the congressman. Now, I'm not sure if that's true, but that's the report. And going back to the 60s, actually, after the Second World War, there was a shortage of laborers in America, agricultural laborers, industrial laborers industrial laborers and so the states basically said to mexico send us your single men you know we'll let them work and we'll send them back at the end of the season with money in their pockets and this went on till the 60s at which point there was political pressure saying you know mexicans taking our jobs send them back so millions of these men basically were were sort of

not not exactly deported but sent back to the border and across the border. So the history of the US-Mexico border has been of desire for Mexican labor, but disclaiming of responsibility. And it has a lot of parallels with the United States' relationship with the African-American community as well. Yeah, the whole finger pointing of like yes the business owners would like the laborers the laborers to come there and then when you know as things become more uh spread out around the country and they're like oh well maybe we move

our operations they're reverting to this thing like well that's who's taking the jobs you know it wasn't me deciding that i would make way more money not paying y'all like regular money i can go over here where the wages are far more depressed and my margins blow up now and yeah i think it is this it's it's interesting to watch how it evolves because i think initially like the first border patrol was about like finding like illegal chinese immigrants uh so it's always like you see these sort of uh these organizations or these bureaucracies within the government that are also there to like help sustain certain narratives too of like the like who's the reason for a disenfranchisement that we can point to exactly uh all right guys let's take a quick break and

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And so is Disney World. Back open without a hitch. So that's that story. Moving on to the next. Nothing to see. Nothing to see here. Good news. So over the weekend on Sunday, Florida broke the national record for the most new covid

cases in a single state on a single day uh over 15 000 uh that beats even new york uh at the height of their pandemic and this is the same weekend that disney world decided to open back up. A lot of people saw the video last week where they were like, hey, everything's cool. A bunch of their workers or cast members, quote. Loving it. Yeah, loving it. Just wearing masks and smizing through the masks with the empty park behind them. through the masks with the empty park behind them um and just like really giving this like empty eyed reassurance gestures of reassurance uh that were incredibly easy for people to uh re-edit into horror movie trailers uh just just by changing the soundtrack uh the power of music though

yeah but very very creepy so anyways they went through with it uh they opened over the weekend uh had most you know uh most cast members were back about 750 park employees uh weren't there for the opening uh these were the stage performers who aren't allowed to wear masks because they're i don't't know, like Snow White or, you know, playing some character who doesn't have a COVID mask. Or it'd be like the like the stunt shows and like people who like do real like performance performance because they're under actors equity union. That's why they're not there. Got it. performance because they're under actors equity union that's why they're not there got it and they wanted just better testing for you know because their union was like hey if you want

these people to go as a union we're we're negotiating for these people for our members to step foot on your property to work that there should be you know regular testing at the very least so people know, get some rapid answers so you can get treatment as quickly as possible, quarantine. And it was like, yeah, sorry. I guess you guys just don't have to come back then. So Disney didn't want to give the test because they're too expensive

or because it was too much of a hassle or because they're worried about the knowledge amongst the workforce. And what was the reason well as one thing that you might have missed uh not being in the united states but tests are actually bad because they tell you who has it and then your numbers go up and therefore then people start to panic and uh you just don't want that sort of thing that's the sad yeah and then the but the people i i also read that the people who are in the suits are actually

under in the teamsters union so like the big mickey suit people those are teamsters like some of the performers that's actors equity and yeah they all had you know their own needs some were met and some clearly were not by the park uh in their rush to begin generating revenue there was a every video i saw come out of there over the weekend was nightmarish the first video i saw was what could go wrong if i let a balloon like just let go of my balloon on main street right and it was like uh i don't know forgive me disney hive i don't know the the main character with the really long red hair with the green dress but she was on a horse and this person's loose balloon like the little plastic mickey weight that sort of keeps the balloon from

like destroying a child's day fully like got wrapped around the horse's ankle and it starts like bucking and it's like you're just like oh no no no like this is the first thing i'm seeing and then then there was that obviously those two women who became the bells of the ball this weekend. What were they doing? They were refusing to wear the mask. They were streamers who this woman said she was having straight up COVID. First, she said, I'm violently vomiting. My blood pressure was 170 over.

It was something so bad, but one woman was dismissing it as like a nut allergy. And many people were like- Don't worry, you're just going into anaphylactic shock. Yeah, but then that was the thing. So they went to go see like the first aid, like sort of hut or whatever. And the woman didn't use her like EpiPen.

So it wasn't like that bad. So also figured apparently some people were arguing now this is all anecdotal that like if you had any kind of incident that would have required an epi pen like disney will just call an ambulance because they don't want any fucking thing to do with someone having some kind of allergic reaction that goes completely left which i believe like because a lot of people in the comments saying like that's bullshit like the second you say you have a nut allergy people get really really interested especially at restaurants at disney whatever either way it was clear that if even if this woman had a nut allergy with the things she was saying like she was in really bad shape and probably should have just left because a that could suppress your immune system this that and the other whatever but it became this whole thing where then these women

came back and were like there's just haters on the internet they edited it so it like didn't actually tell the full story it was a nut allergy but when you watch the whole thing it either way i don't have like a judgment on whether they did or did not. But if you were like in any situation where your health seemed iffy at all, given the pandemic, you don't want to be at Disney World. Right. And they kind of went back and kind of caped for Disney.

It was like, no, no, no, nothing to see here, basically, with their follow-up video. Yeah. And just saying that the other thing is bullshit just because I said she's so sick, like really sick, y'all like vomiting everywhere sick that doesn't mean covid okay and yes we have sore throats but it's not

that right it's just i think there's something particularly perverse about this uh incident unfolding at disney one of the other things that we sort of look at from uh from across the pond when we think about the states is this idea of utopian communities and the idea of America itself partly as a utopian community at the great cost obviously of the original inhabitants. But Disney is this kind of symbol of a constructed paradise and sort of its descent into a hellscape uh this this weekend with what you guys are describing is is quite allegorical i think for for many reasons nothing like so much of the writing of reality for the past month has just been so on the nose that it's just like all

right come on man like this is this is ridiculous But yeah, Disney being the capital of, you know, just all the things that are ailing our COVID-19 response is unbelievable. And yet so believable. The other place that had to stay open was the factories in Juarez, which manufacture things like medical gloves and blood pressure cuffs and pivoted to

trying to make ventilators. And the workers who, many of whom, these murders that are covered in my podcast were for a while called the Maculadora murders, because so many of the victims worked in these factories or Maculadoras, which actually American owned more than 50%. Anyway, so during COVID, these factories, you know, the workers obviously didn't want to show up for work because the caseload was getting going through the roof. But the American ambassador to Mexico called the president and said, please don't shut down the maquilas slash don't shut down the maquilas because we need the essential goods for our patients and healthcare system so these workers had to continue going to their jobs to produce goods for the US

to use in its own fight against COVID and I think it's that same sort of extremely unpleasant sort of irony that you get with with the Disney World workers who are risking their lives to get sick to create this sort of, to create this paradise, but really to create shareholder value. But the workers in Juarez, it's even like more insidious because in a way it's like, hey, we need more gear because we've only been exacerbating our own problem with our, you know, straight up ignorance

and willful ignorance around this because we didn't want to lose too much money. And even at some point, if the objective is clear enough to not lose as much money, at that point, don't you sit down and go through all the different permutations of how this goes economically and say, okay, this start-stop version actually is the worst, is going to cost the most money. So we shouldn't do that.

But even then, there's this pathological urge to see revenue being generated that even to stop it is too shocking, I think, for these business owners. I think Britain and the US have had amongst the very worst responses exactly that start stop thing that you mentioned where you don't commit to one way or the other and i was thinking about it earlier i mean it's also interesting those are the two countries where cambridge analytica had a very demonstrable role in in the election of trump in america and in brexit in britain and uh and going back to the gates conspiracy theories as well you have to wonder if there's

something in the anglosphere liberal culture which makes it particularly susceptible to this utter disturbance of truth and people and when you see people fighting in the supermarket you know one wearing a mask and the other saying that their constitutional rights are being perverted by being asked to wear a mask, I mean, it's like, this is almost like a parody of the kind of informed debate that the framers would have wanted. And yet it's hard to know, how do we, I want to know, how do we come back from this? How did these divisions and extraordinary bifurcated view of the world in the same country, in the same supermarket, how do we possibly get past this?

I think it's just levels of denial. I think for Americans, especially for people in their 50s, they have only known prosperity. Only. Even when it was bad, it wasn't like the depression where their parents maybe knew that uh and you it's because you almost see like the thing that americans don't want to accept is that things are so bad that they actually have to cease their normal way of living yeah and that i think that's just been the hardest pill for some people to swallow i think that's why there's this insistence on like being served again i mean whether you want to take out the

racial dynamics of that or not but if you just go completely to this like moneyed consumer mindset it's just like i normal is me going out normal is me going here to give someone money normal is me going there to pay someone money and And then I get this thing. And then I just spend my money at all these places. And that's what is, that makes me feel normal. And I think when you're confronted with a thing of like, wait, hold on. My government is actually the most backwards thing on the planet right now. Wait, a lot of the history I've been taught is a lie. Wait, some people, depending on how much they're engaging

they could have their realities broken on like 50 different dimensions simultaneously and i think that may for some person be like ah no this is a hoax i'm not even gonna get close to thinking something is wrong in my like very very comfortable existence yeah yeah i don't know if it's like that with england because i know like because i think world war ii the u.s comes back and everyone's like yeah man fucking the u.s fucking did that man you're welcome earth and i think that that attitude just is like we're we're a lot of people are still riding that wave uh like in terms of nationalism and i think like well in england like it was different like england was in the war, you know, the U S aside from Pearl Harbor there, this, it

didn't come to the mainland's doorstep where people go, whoa, the place I thought was like, like the sanctity of my land had been violated by what has not happened. So there's, I think that's another big thing to get over is that that's even a situation that's possible in your existence as an American. Well, it's funny. I mean, the cliche when I was growing up in England was always that Americans don't have a sense of humor, which I think your show definitively proves is not the case. But I mean, in a sense, what you're saying is really interesting because, you know, we we we i mean i hardly count myself as we after after living for a decade abroad but british people have been accustomed to the idea of the

british empire in terminal decline for more than 100 years and so our national mentality is one of black humor and irony gallows humor making fun of ourselves mean, it was so hard for me moving to the States to learn like the skills of self-presentation and not telling everyone when I, as soon as I met them that I was completely imbecilic and incompetent. But, you know, I think it's interesting. I mean, it's a moment of humility on many fronts for the US. And it's really, really hard to know how to stomach that and how to respond. I think anger and denial is obviously kind of a human response, but it's not a sustainable one.

Yeah. And to that point, like you said, the tone of the UK is sort of, yeah, hey, that empire, baby, it baby it's coming down huh it was a good run whereas like in the u.s man there's still this fucking like they think it's 1945 or some shit it's really this we've dominated the whole earth because like you even hear how other people will even not like a separate from this pandemic and everything how just americans very flippantly and this happens in every country but you see americans immediately talk like if it's a country they've never heard of it's just like oh yeah that's got

to be horrible and awful and blah blah blah right and it's almost like when without even thinking it just like goes on this solo of about like because everything's better here and so that i think that frantic like proving of like why usa number one anytime that comes into question that's that's a real that that's too disruptive for certain americans entire sort of you know self-created like value that of like what it means to be american well we'll see what it means to be american because disney world has now been open for a while we've seen the videos come out showing the social distancing rules all being followed 100 percent uh fully everybody's now everybody's crowding and uh not always wearing masks and sometimes it rains and everybody has to get

underneath the same tarp or whatever. But just the day after Disney World's reopening weekend, we learned that Hong Kong Disneyland would be closing again because there are 52 new cases of COVID there. Because they're in the country or in hong kong disney i think hong kong disney wow oh maybe maybe it's let me check actually no it's probably it was probably just hong kong because they're doing the right thing by saying oh wait new cases cut to florida 15 300 yeah it was just in the whole country it was was in Hong Kong? It was in the whole country, yeah. So. This is.

Oh, man. We learned that Hong Kong. It's just so. Yeah, go. Like, what do we do, right? You know, like, it's just such a. It only ends with the car fully crashing into the wall. Like, and right now, it's going so slow that, like, the bumper is starting to crumple against the wall like and right now it's going so slow that like the bumper is starting

to crumple against the wall right but the car crash is we are fully engaged in the car crash uh and i think a lot of people are in the back seat and because the shock wave has not reached them back there too it's also like obscure you're kind of like whoa that wall is pretty close it's it's really dark and when you see this kind of decision making like it's hard to ever think that there's any way to be optimistic about this unless like people really are just like you know have the discipline to say i'm not leaving until scientists are telling me they're like effective fully effective treatments or a vaccine or something because this other stuff is just so grim and it's just like people apparently too many people don't trust the leadership enough to say like or use the apply the thinking of like well why would it be

open if it wasn't safe right yeah i mean it's interesting the comparison with hong kong which obviously has just gone through its own, you know, terrible political crisis where its political system was basically cancelled by China and is now, you know, a crime punishable by years and years of imprisonment on the mainland to produce the party. And so, you know, but when you look at China and you look at how, you know, apparently, who knows about the beginning of the virus, but the response more recently, like it's a strong central authoritarian country. And as a result, like its ability to impose order on its citizens is greater than, you know, federal Republican United States. federal republican uh united states um and it's hard to know i mean it's what scares me is that people will start to look with envy at these more authoritarian systems and say well you know they got it right on on covid or they have social order and that's a really slippery slope so i mean i i'm

really hopeful but also not knowing what the path is to maintain what's good about, you know, liberal democracy, at the same time as getting past this mentality of like totally disputing objective facts, dismissing all experts, crushing some groups at the expense of others. I mean, it's really, it is a scarily unstable moment and also america is losing its moral authority there was mike pompeo from the state department was criticizing china's policy towards hong kong and one of the deputy chinese foreign ministers tweeted i can't breathe uh right yeah so yeah now what what do you do and what yeah, the president's strategy for dealing with this spike in coronavirus cases and deaths seems to be to talk shit about Dr. Fauci. That seems to be what he's kind of going hard towards.

He sent out an oppo research packet to various journalists about that over the over the weekend so i did see on twitter apparently he's he's golfed more than he's met with fauci since march which doesn't seem like most uh well he's a shitty golfer oz the guy the guy sucks at golfing so what do you expect him to do you should have seen him he grabbed a sand wedge when we were teeing off i was was like, what the fuck is this? What the fuck is that? He's a fucking clown. One of the only things to like about Mike Bloomberg's presidential candidacy was that, I'm sure you guys saw that video of Donald Trump

crawling around on all fours trying to get the golf ball. And anyway, it was a very amusing takedown. I actually didn't see that. I will go look that up. That might have been banned from us here in the US. The premise is that Trump says, one of Trump's attack lines on Bloomberg

is that Bloomberg asked Trump to build some golf course in New York or something, and then Bloomberg said, and that was the only thing we'd ever ask him to build. And there's a picture of him crawling around trying to retrieve this golf ball,

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want to call them ideologies uh so yeah this guy uh you know we've seen a lot of these far right people particularly who get caught up in some of the conspiratorial stuff, really making good on threats they make online. You know, there's like a woman who like, and they live stream this stuff too, because they want to show everybody else. There's like a woman who was live streaming her driving to like take out Joe Biden.

And she got like arrested. I think she had a bunch of knives or something. And then there was like a dad, I believe in Massachusetts or somewhere. He had his kids in the car and was in a high speed chase with the police because he had believed the president was trying to communicate to him through the radio and was saying that like he really needed a miracle. President Trump, like, well, you know, beyond driving record, like like over 100 miles an hour type shit at certain points. an hour type shit at certain points. So this guy, you know, so I think there's in certain circles, people seem to be very serious when they're when they're talking about whatever their worldview is or who they believe the villains are in this. There is a man, 32 year old guy from Pennsylvania

who has now been arrested. He was making threats about talking about uh like attacking a treasury building in harrisburg and then going to dc to shoot up the cia headquarters and like take as many of them out before i'm gunned down essentially uh the police spotted his car uh and pulled him over and he said he had guns and supplies to make m80 type fireworks but they found you know ammonium nitrate urea nitrate like shit to make bombs uh and he was headed to it seems like to make good on this promise um and this is just sort of part of this uh this sort of these actions that are really happening in in physical space now. And I mean,

this guy was already online saying things, taking shots at like black lives matter, black people, you know, scientists, anyone against Trump. So it was one of these things where, you know,

I think we also have a pattern. I think to the point you're making on is about Cambridge Analytica, where that there, I'm sure there's tremendous overlap with the Facebook being the really great breeding ground for a lot of these ways of seeing the world that are compelling people to try and commit violent acts or actually commit violent acts. Yeah. And also coming back to the idea of the oligarchy, I mean, And also coming back to the idea of the oligarchy, I mean, Facebook and YouTube have all but replaced the media.

I mean, we in the podcasting the history of of the world let alone media make billions and billions of dollars from advertisements against the content they host and continue to be able to claim that they don't have any responsibility for what happens on their platforms and i mean i find it pretty close to sickening actually which is like you know i mean the argument would be oh if you regulate what's on these platforms you know you confess that they're publishers and then you take responsibility for their content and if you take responsibility for the content you're no longer a platform and that makes free speech much harder and in fact maybe you never would have had a an arab spring or

the beginning of you know the black lives Matter protests on social media if these platforms had to take responsibility for all of the content that they host. So it's not like a straightforward, easy answer. the richest people in society who own these companies not making some kind of sacrifices to ensure that you know this this mass brainwashing and violence i mean as you say like there i'm sure in fact we know there's a hardcore of violent white supremacists neo-nazi extremists but i think there's also a bunch of these mildly unhinged tragic characters who find something to believe in and get seduced and behave in ways which are completely alien even to them and I think it's really really perverse and toxic and yet another thing I don't really see any any particular way out of for the time being. Yeah I mean we talked about a an article last week that was really, like, in a very serious way threatening, claiming civil war was inevitable and just like all these different scenarios where after the 2020 election, they just see one side or the other. It was pretty terrifying. It was a right wing news outlet.

news outlet um and well in el paso the walmart shooter i mean it's no coincidence that trump chose el paso to basically kick off his reelection reelection campaign a couple of years ago and then shortly after that this uh this shooter drove eight hours from uh from somewhere near dallas to go and kill people at the at the walmart in el Paso, which is largely frequented by Hispanic people and daytrippers from Juarez. And it's this language of the great replacement and all of this sort of online hate, which manifests itself. And people in Juarez, who had always seen El Paso on the other side of this fence as a place of safety and respite. 50 people have been murdered this month in July in Juarez, by the way. They were so horrified, apparently,

by what happened in El Paso because it was like, even there, even this US, this shining city across the fence where with all its problems, basically you're safe from arbitrary violence and death as you go about your business you know is under attack from from crazed shooters and uh yeah it's distressing but i think the internet plays a plays a big role in it unregulated internet yeah well i think it's

like yeah the the the propaganda highs this pr propaganda high is wearing off. Yeah. Where to anyone's point, you, Oz, or someone in Mexico, the perception of this country has been so carefully manufactured and built on the backs of great media offerings that creates this whole perception. But we're getting to that point where the real problems have gone unaddressed for so long that that veneer has just worn completely down. And I think that's also one of the reasons why some people even on the right are also just as incensed by everything because they probably also are slowly being like, but I

thought everything was okay here and everything was going be okay here and hardship is something i would never know for a very specific group of americans because that's most people don't think like exactly that but there is that thing too where you're looking at it like hold on a second if i'm on paper if i'm willing to not think that the cdc is lying about this information and deaths, I would find myself supporting a party that is completely lost it. And I'm only now coming around to it. Yeah, I think there's, again, many truths are becoming clear too, but there's also that piece that I think many of us buy into the idea of the exceptional American existence. Yeah, American exceptionalism is... Yeah, just with regards to the tactics of the right

and there being this massive double standard, it does seem like... I noticed during the Black Lives Matter protests, and particularly a couple of the days when local Los Angeles media was actually paying attention to them, there was a guy who drove through a crowd in a Mini Cooper, but there's video of it happening live and he misses a four-year-old girl by like an an inch legitimately and you know the they chased him down they put him in handcuffs but like you never really heard

anything else about that and there's just all sorts of car ramming uh instances and videos and um this is one of those things that seems like it's an open like on the right so uh in january 2017 the daily caller shared a video of several vehicle rammings writing, study the technique. It may prove useful in the next four years. And that was shared by Fox Nation. The GOP proposed bills to make it possible to shield drivers who hit protesters from charges. So it just seems like it's-

That was in 2017. Wow. So- After was in 2017 wow so after charlottesville when was yeah after charlottesville yeah um so it's just it's one of those none are law though none of those are law no no they were proposed but it but the intent is clearly there because it's another way of de-racializing, you know, racial violence and like making that law. Yeah. Um, so I don't know. It just kind of goes with this.

Uh, the right is either planning like this is something that is imminent that they're going to, you know, stage some large scale attack or, you know, already in the early stages of that and we're just kind of holding them to a different standard because i don't know because we always have held

white supremacists to a lower standard than other forms of terrorists like you know the oklahoma city bombing which killed a bunch of children in a in a daycare center and people you know there was there wasn't some like massive war on white supremacy uh after after that or on right-wing homegrown terror cells uh it was just kind of you know a thing that came and went and they caught timothy mcveigh and executed him and all good uh well it's the preservation of the like the concept of being exceptional you know like if too much attention is paid to that then everyone has to accept that america has a problem with white supremacist terror like really accept that and i think law enforcement knows that legislators know that activists know

that most people who have engaged with all kinds of human beings on this in this country have been like no that that's probably real uh but it's there there is this you know by not confronting these things we can pretend everything's okay and now we're like playing we're playing this same uh pattern of behavior out to its worst possible degree now, because it's like rather than accepting that the this government has completely failed its response. And now it's time for serious, serious action to correct that because the last attempt was a failure. was a failure uh we just but we're not we're not approaching things like that it's like no nothing's wrong even if everything is quite you know literally dying uh before your eyes i watched a documentary a few days ago called the uh the newberg sting i don't know if you guys have seen it but it was basically about a an fbi operation in 2009 in New in Newburgh New York which is one of uh you know one of the state's

most impoverished um cities and uh and largely African-American and the FBI ran a sting operation there where they sent a uh a confidential informant who was originally from pakistan to go to the mosque and recruit men into an islamic terror plot to bomb a synagogue in uh in riverdale and you know the guy was offering these guys i think two hundred thousand dollars each you know these are these are men who you know don't know where they're where they're where their next rent check is coming from one of them was in fact i think basically homeless only one of the four had ever even been to the mosque but this guy you know told me he's going to get two hundred thousand dollars and they showed up to do the plot the fbi swooped in with a hundred officers arrested them and said they'd interrupted

a serious al-qaeda cell in the u.s I mean, it was so obviously confected. So obviously it's almost like, talked about Orwell, but there's like McCarthyism when it comes to like radical Islam in the US. And on the other hand, as you guys say, when it comes to white supremacy in the far right, which I know is something that, you know,

Robert Evans and behind the bastards and behind the police looks at, you know, it's this absolute denial of the interconnectedness of these networks it's always a lone wolf it's always somebody with mental health issues always a one-off well it's not and why don't we why don't we want to confess that because it pulls at the edifice of this like fair racially equal society that you know that is obviously a fiction yeah and i mean the ideology that underlies you know the the things we're talking about on the right is also you know as behind the police the robert evans mini-series with prop talked about is also the ideology that a lot of American police

forces were, was founded on and, you know, is still far more prevalent than I think a lot of people realized prior to this year. But it wasn't all bad. I mean, the founding fathers,

I just saw that musical Hamilton. They sound, they seem like a really cool bunch. Very diverse. Something went, something went something went wrong between then and now because i'm pretty sure they were we were on the right track yeah let's always remember the founding uh slavers fathers right right one of the other things i always think is interesting is is is what are the unintended consequences of the absolutely vast military industrial complex in the US.

And one of the consequences, obviously, tactical gear, armored vehicles, all kinds of extremely over-the-top equipment making it into the hands of local police forces because it needs to be sold on after the military no longer require it or its surplus. So there are all these, like, there's the structural racism and then there are all these like there's a structural racism and then there's all these trends around it around like militarization and other forces where you just have this sort of whirlpool of of of hell coming together and i mean not like in britain i mean there have been terrible cases of of racism in the police and and and and you know police malfeasance.

But in the States, when you go to a protest or whatever it is, you have this constant sense of being, even as a white man, in opposition to the police or a potential suspect or a potential criminal. And I've never really encountered that anywhere else in the world except, I guess, for China. But it's a weird feeling that the police aren't part of the citizenry it's like it's just strange it's strange to see even after 10 years like this tightening of the chest you get from seeing like another citizen who happens to wear a uniform like this not a good feeling yep yeah

not a good feeling tightening of the chest alright well let's talk about the millionaires who are going to save us all no that's I mean this is kind of the oligarchy thing we were talking about but some

millionaires are begging to be taxed more to help out the the poors um it's called millionaires for humanity uh it's a new group of concerned wealthy people uh it's i mean at least it acknowledges that these millionaires giving a portion of their wealth is not the answer and that they like that there needs to be structural and permanent taxation the way this letter is written though it's a brilliant pr because it's also a very fancy please don't look up pdf schematics on how to build guillotines with, you know, things you can buy at Home Depot. But this also sounds like a really fun way to say, like,

we hear you guys. We hear you. We hear you. We hear you. We have way too much money. We have way too much money. Want to give you some of that money? Because we realize we have a lot of money.

So it's saying, as COVID-19 strikes the world, millionaires like us. I'm already laughing. That's very good. I'm already fucking, this is i'm this is verbatim what is it millionaires like us have a critical role to play in healing our world no we are not the ones caring for the sick and intensive care wards we are not driving the ambulances that will bring the ill to hospitals we are not restocking grocery store shelves or delivering food door to door but we do have money lots of money that is dead yes i'm not joking this is this is straight up money lots lots of it money that is desperately needed now and will continue to be needed in the years ahead as our world

recovers from this crisis today we understand today we the undersigned millionaires ask our governments to raise taxes on people like us immediately substantially permanently and you know the letter goes on to say that like they get it man like look we get it we get it bro hey there's there's no fucking net out there these people that are actually the way i'm passively making my money off of their labor like i realize okay maybe there's a way to give some of this back uh and i don't know who many of these people are the fact that i didn't recognize many of the signed millionaires bums me out because you're like you're hoping it's the people with like the a lot of money like the where's the billionaires for humanity not to shade the millionaires you know all love to millionaires and anybody with means wanting to help. But there's also, I'm like,

I'm not seeing some bigger names on here. What was very interesting was saying, we owe a huge debt to the people working on the front lines of this global battle. Most essential workers are grossly underpaid for the burden they carry. They get that part. And then what they say to sign off, our interconnectedness has never been more clear. We must rebalance our world before it is too late. There will not be another chance to get this right i feel like that's true yeah i think they just saw the lorax because that is uh right there you know they they nailed it um what's the lorax it's a dr seuss book i mean i know but what's the like what there's there's literally like it ends with them being like unless you make a change right now the the problem

cue fat boy slim right here right now you know right here because right now tax me right now um you guys are gonna be noticing a lot of children's movies bleeding into my into my references over the next uh month i love it i mean look now i now i'm not gonna look foolish at my dr seuss dinner parties i go to i don't know i do think this i don't know what to i mean i like the momentum that of they're trying to add to this movement because yes this this is actually one of the biggest things that needs to be addressed right now there are many things that are just so easy to be like yeah we got to change that right away like you know i talked about the last show like if you

make more money on unemployment than you do employment then there's no reason to have a job unless it is going to make you something that feels like a living wage so like what that should that should be the easiest thing but again it requires a lot of people to go into their pockets i guess the billionaires for humanity who aren't signed definitely better than the uh celebrities that led by gal godot seeing imagine yeah or that monologue i I'm responsible. Oh, God, that was something else. Give it to me one more time. It's clear that you're reading. Could you not move your eyes?

Okay, how about this? First take, best take. I'm responsible. That was very good. Those performances were so good. Oh, my God. But how do you, like a famous or rich person who like genuinely doesn't suffer these like terrible social ills that most people are encountering

right now like how do you say something without coming off like a terrible hypocrite like what who's have you guys seen any examples of people who've like done a good job of it uh i mean i don't know. I think it's merely, it's all about how loud you are about it. Because I think there are many ways for you to be philanthropic and be anonymous and be effective.

And if you actually had the means, you could probably put together some pretty brilliant people to figure out how to do something like that and say like, I'm about to put $8 billion into this. Yeah. But like,

how do we do this? And I don't want anyone to know or whatever. Not that it's impossible, but I think, I think when it, when you sign on it and it's like, do we have so much money? Like we gotta help.

I mean, that feels, that feels like a cool scene in a Disney movie. Like when you're like, like you're turning the second act. But I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure what to even do because really it's going to take the legislators to even create those laws. And there can be a ton of people who are like, it's almost like, well, I want to give them money anyway, but they won't take it.

And I'm not going to figure out what to do with it beyond that. I could pay people who work for me more as a way to do that immediate, but I don't, I'd rather just get taxed, you know? And that's why I signed this letter. Yeah. So it's hard to know what,

you know, cause like you could do better if you just said it was a, you know, a policy of the, all the companies that fall under your multinational conglomerate to pay living wages and be like, Hey, sorry, sorry to the stockholders,holders but this we're not running it like this anymore as it has been a pleasure having you on the daily zeitgeist uh where can people find you follow you

hear you all that good stuff well thank you so much for having me i really enjoyed it um i have a newly minted twitter handle and uh and me and monica are doing a reddit ama on r slash podcasts on wednesday at noon est to talk about what we learned in forgotten uh about what's happening to the women in Juarez. And honestly, you know, their fate connects in so many ways to all the things we've been talking about, impunity, structural violence. And, you know, in particular,

what happens when you keep a group of people poor because it suits you to have their cheap labor and uh and then don't do anything to protect them and it's not necessarily you know it's also a true crime podcast so we take you through a mystery and we have fbi agents and da agents and activists and we talk to some of the victims families which are very profound but but the take home of the conversation is really a mirror to the us from from a city which is less than a mile away, but which kind of is the logical conclusion of all the bad behavior I think that we've been discussing today. And is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying? Yes, actually, my dear friend and co-host of Sleepwalkers,

my other podcast that I do on the iHeart Podcast Network, which is about technology, added a very amusing, I thought, tweet, which is also quite apropos of what we've been discussing, where she said, drumroll, nobody.everybrand, in times like these. Drumroll. Nobody. Dot. Every brand. Colon. In times like these. Which I thought was very apt in terms of the hypocrisy of corporate activism. In times like these.

In times of record corporate profits. Yeah, exactly. No hero bonuses, though. No hero bonuses. Miles, where can people... Fuck a hero straight in their dumb hero face uh i'm sorry yes me so before uh i give all that information where you can find me i do i do want to uh raise something super producer anna hosnay uh was putting me onto it and everybody who listens to the show should as well um You know, the Trump administration, I don't know if you've heard this, but they had they proposed some pretty awful regulations to the asylum system in this country where, you know, vulnerable people, people in the LGBTQIA community, people with HIV AIDS, all kinds of vulnerable people try and enter this country because the living situation where they are is too violent. And unfortunately, it's an unten the living situation where they are is too violent. And

unfortunately, it's an untenable living situation for them. These regulations that the Trump administration have proposed are essentially rip out the entire concept of people being able to seek asylum in this country. And because there's been a lot of lawsuits around this to try and keep this from happening, but there is one way that people can help in a very easy way. You can submit a comment to the administration that when there are these regulations that are happening, that the government, like sort of the policy that they read and respond to comments that are made, if they are unique. And that's where the difference here. What we need is people to go to this website, to leave a comment. It's very easy. We'll leave all this information in the footnotes. The the comment the better but it's like anything just

like with members of congress when they start seeing form comments that are copy and pasted from other things they don't think it's real they just think it's a email spam campaign so please type anything as long as it's truthful about what your feelings are and giving comment on your you know opposition to these regulations would be great because that could actually help buy people some serious serious time so please do that and check the footnotes for how you can get involved with that me uh twitter instagram uh even hey even playstation network maybe you'll catch me on fifa or or pes who knows uh miles of gray uh and let's see some tweets oh also my other podcast, 420 Day Fiance, where I take a break from the ills of our reality

and I dive into trash reality television, 90 Day Fiance specifically. Some tweets I like. First one is from at the Deserina, from Deserina Boscovich says, her tweet is, match your wear a damn mask energy with pay people to stay home energy and cancel rent energy.

Because that's really, yes. I think that's many people are just limiting it to are thinking of wear a mask. But we're always saying like, we need a fucking safety net though too. That's how that works with all the banks and people would be like the rainy day the landlord argument that we've seen time and time and again not being asked of banks or these companies when they're asking for bailouts i think that's another another more energy we need to keep going another one is just this ridiculous video it's from at baker bone it says just when you thought things couldn't get any worse 2020 top bears how to use nunchucks and it's like a bear at a zoo,

but it is just swinging these nunchucks around and it's, it's getting, it's doing a little bit of nunchuckery on it. I'm not going to lie. So it gave me a laugh. So shout out. Yeah. Yeah.

The, the thing with, um, cancel rent and, you know, the unemployment is going to stop. I think in August or late late july like yeah if they don't a lot of states they don't put another bill forward like that and i think the gop is like pushing to do that to just let it happen and like there's already like record long lines at uh food banks like that's going to keep happening uh it's going

to get really really bad if well and then because the u.s also has a really great habit of calling uh people's lack of access and lack of safety net and i'm calling that crime yeah you know rather than acknowledging people's desperation that i'm sure that could that could fit into some kind of narrative going into the election too if you just have more destitute people doing things and trying to weave that into and i mean i don't know what we can do i mean trump's trump's the guy man law and order law and order because he's screaming that shit like it's going out of style um some tweets i've been enjoying solomon giorgio, tweeted, I pretended to wash my hands until I was 10 years old and I was in the gifted program.

We shouldn't reopen schools during a pandemic. It is, kids, I remember that, like just running my hands underwater sometimes, just letting the water run near my hands for no reason other than laziness of, I didn't want to dry them off. The other thing was hand washing was incentivized. So it was never because it was good habits.

It was because I would get some shit. I have to drag my kids kicking and screaming to wash their hands after and before meals. You know what changed it for me? They have visible dirt on their hands. Yeah. Right. Just like earthworms crawling over their palms like yo this is a joke now you got worms in your fingers this is you got dirt hands what yeah the uh foaming

soap the foaming soap is great i hated a little bit more yeah i hated touching a bar of soap as a kid i just remember that and then whenever i would travel to japan and like back when the the first automated soap dispensers came out in the late 80s and shit, I remember foam came out. I was like, yo, I will wash my hands like this. Fuck a bar. I do remember being grossed out by the bar as well. Yeah. The cracked bar with grime in it.

I was like, that can't be a better option. Which is so weird because then we're here. Clearly, we like things that are clean, but're like i don't know though washing my hands with that a bridge too far when there's actual visible dirt on the soap it does seem like i got into arguing with my dad about that because i was like but it's dirty and he's like it's soap i'm like then why is there dirt on it and he's like because it could and i just could i was too dumb to like engage him on a like a one level up intellectually so i just kept going well if it's soap and it's clean why is it dirty the defense rests your honor it's true you were actually right i think because it's not like soap just kills germs soap Soap just makes germs slip off your hands.

It gets them slippery. Shout out to all emulsifiers out there. Yeah, yeah. Also, Charlene de Guzman tweeted, at the end of every night, there's the disappointing moment where I'm just like, well, I guess that was the day then. Damn. That's real. So real.

Well, you're almost like, was that the day? Was that a day? She's really funny. Char Starling. You can find me on Twitter, Jack underscore O'Brien.

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