The Daily Zeitgeist - Trend Simmons 2/4: Kanye, 'Euphoria', 'And Just Like That', Jim Jordan, 'Moonfall', Brie Larson, Lifetime

Episode Date: February 4, 2022

In this edition of Trend Simmons, Jack and super producer Joelle Monique discuss the Kim/Kanye divorce getting spicy, 'Euphoria' getting renewed for season 3, the 'And Just Like That' drama, Jim Jordan's call with Trump on Jan. 6th, the reviews of 'Moonfall', Brie Larson getting in on the NFT craze, and Netflix vs. Lifetime. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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in my book uh i am jack and i am joined by super producer joelle monique hi jack what's up well oh you know we've been on a zoom together for two hours. It's our girl time, Jack, and I really appreciate it. This has been really special. It is. No, it's always lovely recording with you. And the best way to start a Friday is hanging out with Joelle Monique, talking about some trends such as that Kanye West has called called out kim who called out kanye it's uh it's just like a very ugly divorce and this is now happening in public because kanye doesn't have the uh thickest filter working uh in the world and it's sad yeah i mean i really wish kanye west hadn't pushed everyone who

truly loves him away and it's i mean i listen his megaphone is large it reaches a lot of people and that makes some of his the things that he shares potentially dangerous and that's you know concerning and i think we do have to critique that. But I also have such a deep well of understanding in that he's battling a mental illness as somebody who has multiple mental illnesses. It's a lot. It's a lot to sort of figure out how you're going to navigate that when you're not fully in control of what's happening all of the time. And he's been very public before about how it scares him. But then, you know, I don't know. It's a lot. It's a struggle, especially because at the center of this,

they have four children. And that seems to be, and again, as we've seen with a lot of divorces, like, oh, we want what's best for our kids and we disagree on that. And so now we're fighting in public. And the root of that always is like, that's never the solution is to fight about what you're going to do in public on Instagram. It's messy and unnecessarily messy.

I think Kim is the person who at the very least appears in a better space mentally who no longer has to support a reality TV show. You could maybe circumvent a lot of this controversy by just not saying anything like you guys have lawyers so many lawyers who could just deal with this privately even if kanye is going off kim has all the power in the world to just remain silent and let her lawyers handle things um i think it's pretty clear that as far as like where is the most stable home for these kids is probably going to be with kim um i don't understand the need to address it again on instagram so strange place he he was calling kim out on ig for letting north post on tiktok is basically right which your kid has had access to social media for a long time

they've been sharing baby North since she was little. She was in the front row of fashion shows at like six months old. Like she's been around. She knows. I don't think it. I mean, I don't know. I'm not a parent. I don't deal with social media.

There's a lot of things to consider. And maybe you have a very valid point in being like, I don't want my very young daughter on TikTok. But again, I just don't think that trying to peer pressure your wife through Instagram is the way to go about getting the results you're hoping for. Yeah. It's all very sad. Hopefully they, you know, get through it. That he gets the help he needs. And that's really like there's not a whole lot to.

No blessings on them kids. I hope you're OK. And somebody is watching over you and protecting you from this because you shouldn't lot to say on that one. No, blessings on them, kids. I hope y'all are okay. Yeah, absolutely. And somebody that's watching over you and protecting you from this, because they shouldn't have to deal with that. You're babies. Euphoria has been renewed for season three. Congratulations to everybody who loves that show. You win.

I know. You can keep getting these outfits that slay. I really look forward to the manicure inspiration. Please tell me what I'm wearing next season. I love it. it's been some of the best social media content to show has delivered probably since insecure you know it really just came stepped up and filled in that void of like what mess are we collectively watching uh i'm happy for everybody but particularly zendaya who continues to reign over all of our hearts i I only watched the first two episodes. I only watched the first two seasons. Uh,

there's only two seasons. Uh, I only watched the first two episodes and I thought it was one of the best acting performances of somebody who's high that I've ever seen. Like it was just like, that's, I don't know. It was really,

really well done. Uh, apparently she gets sober and that's when people say she's really a great actor uh but man really nailed the drug yeah her banging on the door trying to get you know a fix from her dealer and then just turning into such a evil and sort of vindictive person when she's rejected i was like yeah having been around too many a drug in my youth i was like yeah having been around too many a drug addict in my youth i was like okay accuracy the research has been done staying in the world of hbo and just like that sarah just jessica parker doesn't want kim cattrall to come back that's a mistake sarah uh i know you don't like her i know y'all don't get along and that's fine you do not need to be friends but when I tell you what people want

is for y'all to be on screen together just suck it up listen listen models have been doing it for years okay they don't like each other they get booked on the same spread they do it anyway they figure it out Naomi Campbell and Tyra Banks infamously hate each other but you know what when they get together

on camera it's electric we love seeing it how are they handling it they handled it by not looking at each other and trying to outpose each other and i think you can do the same thing on this show why would you reject the money why would you reject the ratings okay we need her to come back please give kim a good storyline when she returns make it juicy okay i really want to see how she's evolved as a human being i think you could try should come back and not be interested in sex at all what happens when your like libido just dies out and that's how you've defined yourself for so long what else is there behind samantha sarah get over it like you have all the money in the world you want to

continue to be successful deal with this lady and give us what we've all been asking for it's interesting because it's one of those like public feuds where it really shows the limitations or like why why it's a bad idea to have a public feud because you know they say in like politics like a mudslinging they only remember the lie they don't remember like your correction that appears on page six of the newspaper the next day i'm like all all i've heard in like from this back and forth is just like it makes them both seem bad because you know whoever is right in the whole thing like it just the thing that sticks is like the mean things they're saying about each other yeah and is that doing and you're not getting any money off of it which is what confuses me like you don't have to i don't know like you don't have to be so steeped in in

why would you want your dirty laundry out there like this it doesn't hurt either of you're both still making money you're both still booked and busy what's the advantage of doing this publicly and the show suffers from it like that i've only watched the i only watched two episodes of every tv show i guess but i did only watch until uh the big spoiler alert thing happens on a peloton or post peloton but the show really like feels i mean the very first scene they're like and where is samantha but then so that makes sense that they would have to like you know uh from a story like a narrative perspective explain where she went but then there's like parts where everyone's favorite character chay has uh sir jessica parker on her podcast and is

like asking her questions that seem to be seem to have been designed for Samantha and then like Sarah Jessica Parker or Carrie like can't take the heat like can't do the Samantha of it all and it gets criticized for it so it's like there

it's on everybody's mind even like when it's not about Samantha it's still like man the on everybody's mind, even like when it's not about Samantha, it's still like, man, the show really misses Samantha, huh? Like is what is the thesis of like many of the scenes? And that'd be another person critiquing this show. But also like this is a woman who wrote very frequently about sex in the 90s. I feel like there's not much that character would be uncomfortable discussing on a podcast. It's bizarre. Yeah yeah the show season two hopefully we'll take some of the notes and evolve bring in some younger writers

if you want younger characters uh you know what i mean with i do the weed is not uh it's not how the people talk anymore uh i don't know if they ever spoke like that. Uh, we can get it together. We can fix it. Yeah. Like in retrospect, like that was among the like shows,

the, the experience of watching that show was very unpleasant in many ways. And I wish I hadn't, uh, which is not always the case for shows that I'm like, that's bad, but I'm glad I watched it. That one, that I'm like, that's bad, but I'm glad I watched it.

That one, I was just like, ah, man, I spiritually, this is doing harm to me. Um, uh, Jim Jordan, um, representative Jim Jordan, uh, according to phone records, had a nice long 10 minute, uh, phone call with Donald Trump the morning of January 6th. So that's that's a tough one. That's a that's a long call with somebody who is presumably pretty busy that day. I'm assuming y'all talked about something. But Jim Jordan has been very obstructionist when it comes to the investigation. So we'll see. Oh, I wonder why that could be. I wonder why he would not want additional investigations to be happening.

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And we're back. Joelle, you are, were a film critic. I don't know. Do you identify as still a film critic? I still, you know, pick up a pen, jot some things down, get it published every once in a while. So we, current. Yeah, you're a film critic.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You get it. You get the struggle of having to watch Moonfall. I think you mean the absolute pleasure and joy you get to watch. Listen, because sight unseen, I haven't seen the movie yet. But Moonfall is what cinema has been missing. Hear me out yeah sometimes you just want a ridiculous plot sometimes it's not necessary to take yourself

so seriously or to be any kind of grounded in reality like even superhero movies now are like they really want to have like a deeper and richer meaning and that's not a negative thing i think we're getting really beautiful superhero movies because of it but wow a moon falling the aliens taking over the moon and shooting it at the earth that sound like attack of the 50 foot woman kind of stuff like that's that's independence day level ridiculous drama it's fun i miss fun and i think that this movie has the potential to bring a lot of it it's got a stack i didn't know there were aliens i thought it was just falling down i'm pretty sure there's like some kind of weird alien or ghost some other thing that's causing the moon to uh rebel against the earth

the moon is haunted um i i'm for this this is the type of bad that feels like it won't do uh me spiritual harm but critics have pulled out a couple choice moments so overall it's sitting at a 38 on metacritic okay that seems appropriate and some critics have pointed out that there's a an exchange where hallie berry is trying to convince patrick wilson to come along on this mission to the moon patrick wilson says look i've got my own problems hallie berry says and the moon falling on Earth isn't one of them? Which a fair question. I just don't think Patrick Wilson would have said in the first place, look, I've got my own problems.

As a retort to, I need you to go to the moon to prevent the world from ending. And then there's also a point where we see graffiti that says fuck the moon and actually so it said that and then in order to get a pg-13 it said the moon saw they changed it to the moon sucks so i don't know uh first of all keep the f-bomb like it's not being said i don't think

it'll count the moon sucks is not um no one would ever graffiti that it's not powerful enough what are you doing i also like the idea feels a little bit i don't know we hate the moon now we can't live without the moon uh they already showed us it fell so i wonder what the end of that story is um is it uh seeking a friend for the end of the world which i mean it's a 12 year old movie but spoiler alert the world just ends at the end of that movie they're very clear about it in the title nothing else happened a friend yeah the end it was beautiful um or is it are do we just have half a moon now and the oceans rise we got to deal with that waves aren't working the right way anymore um i really look forward to what the

conclusion of this movie is I also like someone tweeted out that apparently someone gets a phone call in the middle of the night and it's from NASA and I just wonder if their caller ID was just NASA here's NASA calling me it's NASA NASA here

or is now a good time it's NASA the moon's falling so we really needed to be a good time please don't have other things to do today right i would have so much trouble sleeping if the moon was falling and the world was about to end and everyone's just doing drugs and partying or they're at church those are your two options speaking of seeking a friend for the end of the world isn't that the one where like, just like a middle-aged couple is like, I think I'm going to try heroin.

Like that was one of the things they did. I think so. Oh man. Well, Brie Larson is trending because she's part of the NFT world now. I really like, okay, so NFTs, I'm learning about them because I have to, you know, it's time I got to learn what they are and how they work and what's happening.

I'm confused. I don't have any solid opinions on them yet. Other than I know they're not good for the environment. And that is concerning because anything new that's not good for the environment must be stopped immediately. We've already done too much damage and we're not doing enough to stop it. So anything further harming it. Very bad but i will say that like most of the discourse i've seen around brie larson's nft is people don't like the design of it which i was like this just looks like regular art okay it's a lady her face is painted blue she's got um what i would describe as whipped cream hair you know it's it's white and kind of pillowy and it's up. There's some kind of flowers

growing out of that hair. She's wearing like a French pink ruffle collar. If you think of like a Marie Antoinette era, big that there's some gold beads, her blushes painted in pink triangles under her eyes. There's a gold bird.

Does it mean anything? Not that I can decipher. I'm not an art historian, you know, but I've seen a couple of pictures. I know art. I'm familiar. I've been to a museum or two in my time. It looks like art. OK, someone drew it.

It's got value. Yeah. People are like, it's but ugly and she has no taste. And now I think she's a horrible person. Does seem like a lot of people just want to hate Brie Larson, right? I guess. I don't know. I never knew people did not like her but apparently they do uh brie larson in my professional experience has been you know lovely she at tiff a couple years ago a bunch of black journalists were having a hard time entering some spaces and she personally invited them in so there was room

and space for them so um i value that in her uh beyond that i don't know about how she is as a person uh and i also think it's weird that brie is getting all the smoke when gwyneth paldro famously hated celebrity released an nft that seems to me to be from the same artist uh well maybe that is why brie larson they're like we thought you were better than this maybe yeah i personally did i like brie larson and're like we thought uh you were better than this maybe yeah i personally did i like brie larson and i but i i don't know everybody's doing the nft thing i think it's bullshit i did watch that two and a half hour uh youtube explainer the fact that it takes two and a half hours to explain what they are is part of the problem but uh it's also like there's not much that the two and a half hours leads you back to

the fact that there's not much there and yeah i don't know um it seems like a drawing seems like a yeah so yeah a fine piece of art varvara alay a r woman, graphic designer who's worked for a bunch of different places, did the design. I guess this is her foray into NFTs, which again, please stop hurting our planet. But yeah, I don't know. Brie, kudos to you for just keeping it up and being like, listen, this was a choice I made and I'm going to live with it. Mess. Let's talk about the Venn diagram of Netflix movies and Lifetime movies. I'm so excited because it's a topic I've wanted to talk about for a long time. It's one of those

things as a critic, sometimes you're just viewing something and then you have an idea that you haven't heard anyone else talk about, not saying that it hasn't happened, but it just feels very of your own and you're like, wow, we have to discuss. OK, I have a theory that Netflix is going to end Lifetime. I don't think they're doing it on purpose, but they are doing it to siphon a portion of that demographic to Netflix and keep them locked in place. OK, here's how Netflix works. It is a giant corporation constantly producing new content across the globe. So that's a ton of work and a ton of time. And in order to better organize that,

they've broken it down into categories. The romance is one of those categories. You also have a nerd category, you have a drama category, and then you have a category that does like acquisitions, a comedy category. If you you've searched you know um the romance category has really been in its bag with its lifetime style content okay their main feature shockingly is virgin river okay imagine a like 72 white cast with a bunch of people that are like this is my black friend and this is my gay friend. So, you know, middle America can be about it. They're like,

it's somewhat progressive. There was a black guy, he was a vet and he saved people. Also took the rap for a murder charge that he didn't do to protect the lady. You know, he's a good guy. It is low-level drama. not too much happens in that show uh she's

struggling with she lost her husband they're pregnant they lost the baby you know she's a young widow so she finds this and a nurse she finds a house in the middle of the woods and she starts falling in love with the guy who's hired to repair it and now she works with a curmudmudgeon-y old doctor who, without her, would have had to quit because he's old. And so he doesn't see so good anymore. Perfect lifetime content. So good. And we're seeing it with all kinds of shows, which is really, really exciting to me. Because Netflix is a premium streaming service.

We just have to acknowledge it. We have to come to this conclusion together as a people so that we can move on. Nobody else is giving you this many demographics at this base price. Your children can watch. Your parents can watch. Your little cousins can watch.

Everyone is covered. And I'm really excited. Sweet Magnolias is out right now. Is it quality content? No. But it's not designed to be, okay? It's designed to bring you in. All right, that's where I draw the line.

I need you to stop right there. Sweet Magnolia is this. I have watched the first two episodes of that. And now, yeah, it's. You like the recent divorcee drama? It's a lady starting her life over. Here she goes. Also, just the thing you mentioned about the finding a house in the middle of the woods

and like the love interest fixing it up so there was a movie called the lost husband that was all over uh netflix's uh like top five at various points starring josh d'amel and leslie bibb and it has that exact thing happen in it. Like she goes back home after her husband dies, I think. And like some hunk who works on the farm ends up being like the man she was always looking for. Maybe it's a divorce. But anyways. Oh, no, he died. They moved back to her aunt's farm in Texas with her kids.

Aunt's farm, that's right. Yep. And he gets fallen in love with country life too but yeah at one point she there's a house like on the farm there's a house in the woods that uh she decides to move into and he picks it up for her so that is they have just identified a weird like completely illogical fantasy that we all have that this is like this is gonna happen in a lot of shit guys i'm sorry they took romance novels and adapted them for film slightly larger budgets than you would typically see with like a lifetime show or even a hallmark which has a similar demographic to it

and then netflix said does what it always does which is they like their patented algorithm. What do you like? How many people can we get to watch this show and stay engaged for like longer than two episodes? Yeah, I was just going to say, like, you definitely hear a lot of people be like Netflix is taking over like this and that. But like, this is one you rarely hear people be like, and it's a good thing. Like, they're doing it better than the previous people.

Yeah, I'm mostly just impressed with their ability to continue to do it like it's in the same way that sometimes i'm just astonished at what like lucasfilm and disney is able to do like lucasfilm really built an entire room of video screens and said this is all of our sets or like 80 of our sets and we're gonna film an entire show in here and it's going to look amazing one day two two seasons and a half of a season of another show later and they've truly mastered how do you build depth in a flat circular space how do you build uh set props and designs to um give a sense of height and depth uh that sort of can it can trick the eye like you're able to see the screen less and less which is very impressive so their whole thing is like we will continue to push technology until it reaches the point we want to and we're fine

sticking with it even if you don't like it i think what netflix is saying is like we will continue to service you with television that you don't mind just having on at all times. Our goal is not basic. Now that everything has their own streaming service, they are trying to invest in more fulfilling shows, shows that have a longer memory, you know, in the population. I think so much of Netflix is consumed and then forgotten about. But I think that consumed and forgotten part is their baseline. You know what I mean? Some people, if you're like me,

I just like to have the TV on, not always watching it. You know, I'm doing a lot of things. I think it's perfectly serviceable for that. And every once in a while you get a gem and you're like, wow, great. It's totally worth $20 a month. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing,

but it's from a consumer standpoint is since we live in a capitalist society still, I value it. You were even saying that show you which was on netflix is like a big netflix hit and i had assumed was like prestige tv like on par with you know their other prestige shows that started as a lifetime tv yeah it had one season on lifetime did not do numbers got canceled uh then it went to netflix to be streamed as all shows do and it just picked up so much steam netflix was like okay we will just pick it up right i mean sarah gamble is an incredible showrunner uh she did magicians she's worked on on Supernatural and a bunch of other like television shows. And her writing skills are just so strong.

And they were like, hey, what else can you do with this? There's multiple books out. And she just picked up right where she left off with Lifetime. And because it was on Netflix and because it had a demographic larger than, again, what you would see on Lifetime. Some people are like Lifetime is what my mom or my grandma watches. Like I'm not right. You know, their ads are not catered to me, et cetera, et cetera. Netflix can sort of give a longer shelf life and a wider viewing than a lot of these other

channels are able to do. Yeah. Well, there it is. Well, Joelle, always such a pleasure having you. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? Yeah, thank you so much for having me back. Y'all know me. I'm Joelle Monique.

You can find me all over the internet at Joelle Monique. It's J-O-E-L-L-E-M-O-N-I-Q-U-E. All right. Well, that is going to do it for us for this week. We are back on Monday with the whole last episode of the show. We have a weekly Zeitgeist, which is the greatest hits of the week that comes out on Saturday. Until then, be kind to each other. Be kind to yourselves.

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