The Daily Zeitgeist - Trendernational Womens' Day 3/8: Meghan/Harry, Allen v Farrow, Burger King, Supporting Women

Episode Date: March 9, 2021

On this very special International Women's Day edition Anna Hossnieh and Jamie Loftus discuss the Meghan/Harry interview with Oprah, the Allen v Farrow documentary series, Burger King's problematic tweets, and a discussion on the optics of supporting women vs. actually supporting women. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Trust us, it's out of this world. Hello, the internet. And welcome to a very special International Women's Zeit Day with Jamie and Anna. Here we are. Here we are. Representing women. That's right. They made a conscious choice to let us take over this trending episode for International Women's Day. That's right.

That's today, March 8th, 2021. How have you been celebrating International Women's Day today, Anna? Oh, you know what? Like any true oppressed woman, I have my fridge broke my period started and i have a migraine so my period started too wow what an amazing moment for us i um what did i do i got a happy meal i received some bad news. I got my period. And I watched Blackfish for some reason. I don't know why. I was like, the documentary?

Yeah, about the whale. Is this the first time you watched it? Yeah, I'm like eight years late to Blackfish. I don't know. Oh, no. So that's why I've been celebrating. You've heard about what's happening? That's going to be my new intro when I start talking to people.

I'm like, wait, do you guys know what's going on at SeaWorld? It's not good. But in all seriousness, it's not good. Anyways, I don't know why I did that. It was probably just to punish myself. Happy International Women's Day. Yes. Happy International Women's Day. Yes, happy International Women's Day. It wouldn't be a classic Women's Day unless we were somewhat suffering.

That's what women do, baby. We suffer. We're good at it. Yeah, and then we have to... I told Jack, I was like, how dare you make me work on international women's day but i was not able to advocate for myself in time to get out of this you know and that's and that is the the female experience i was actually i was going to advocate for myself but then um but then i you know it just uh such a risk it's just simply too much of a risk to advocate for myself at this time.

Yeah. Unfortunately, speaking out to be like, I don't want to blacklisted forever. That is what it is. Oh, here we are. Here we are.

We've got some trending topics. Yes, we do. We're going to talk about the Oprah and Meghan Markle interview because that is fresh in my mind. You have to. And you watched it this morning. Is that right? I did. Yeah, I watched the feature length interview this morning. And my, I mean, there's like, there's so much. Yeah, there's so much. Yeah, there's so much.

We're also going to talk about Alan V. Farrow, which I have been keeping up with and is a very important piece of work that is incredibly difficult to consume. That's why I haven't watched it yet, because I was waiting for you to just tell me what happened i'll tell you what i'll tell you what happened with all the appropriate trigger warnings it's it's tough but this this week's episode in particular i thought was like a really interesting uh slash bleak look into the way that um csa cases are like handled on the state level we've got uh oh we've got one of my favorite part of international women's day uh is when a corporation inevitably fucks it up so bad um and then so this year it's burger king and last burger king last year it was shell it you remember when Shell did just put an apostrophe between the E and the L and it's like, it's actually Sheil Gasoline and Petroleum. That's devastating. Well, I as a woman felt very seen by that.

Sheil. Speak for Sheil. So I love a misfired equality stunt. And this year it's Burger King. Yeah. Burger King, you know what? The king of burgers. You would think they could get it right.

But again, there's a correlation there. King, monarchy, racism. They don't fucking get it. It's all tied together. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I don't know what the Burger King's politics are, but I would to imagine that we're we're not aligned burger king have different views yeah and and then we're gonna we're gonna chat a little about uh brands that put out clothes like shirts that say like feminism af

or the future is female or you know i'm a feminist or I'm with feminist or whatever. And then, you know, all those shirts are made from like child labor. And yeah, majority women who are not being paid or treated well in the workplace. So we've got a bunch of fun woman stories for you today. They're, you know, we thought about covering a story with a man but then we got a strongly worded email i'm kidding and you can only talk about women yeah yeah well women are only um women only know enough to talk about women they don't know any other experience so it's true this is going well right i think we're killing it. I think we're actually honestly killing it. All right.

Well, let's you watch the Meghan Markle interview this morning. I watched it last night live. Were you live tweeting it? I logged out because I was like, I just want to consume it in one fell swoop. I didn't live tweet very. I think the only thing I tweeted was just like, I will fight a royal family member at this point because they just don't seem like good people. And just like the idea of just being so, so white and so cold. Like I felt like everyone is so cold in that family. from an immigrant family of Persians who are like truly the warmest most in your business trying to take care of you trying to feed you until you pass out sort of vibe like the idea so okay let's get into it so one of the things that stood out to me was the fact that they were going to take away

or they weren't going to offer Archie Megan and Harry's baby, biracial baby, a security detail. Because one, they were like, oh, it's too much money. There was a lot of excuses. And it's like, I'm sorry, aren't you literally paid for by the UK? I think there's money like the tax dollars pay for you. A lot of those arguments where it was like clearly just being discriminatory and then saying, just being discriminatory and then saying um actually it's not in the budget it's like just so absolutely bleak and just like clearly a lie too yeah i don't know and and megan i thought was like extremely like diplomatic in the way that she like presented that information because there's a world where you could just be like they're clearly lying like it's just garbage and it's like not protecting of a baby like it's refusing to protect a baby it's just like unconscionable and you know on top of that the

fact that they are literally we are watching what happened to princess diana with the tabloid storm the paparazzi storm happened again and harry basically says i watched this happen my mother died and then i was watching it happen again with megan and then for you guys to be like sorry you get your son your biracial son hey guys large racial undertones and overtones happening here they they're saying your son cannot have security which makes it with no real explanation other than one oh there's no money or two um don't worry about it that's just the way it goes and then basically saying they're going to change the law so archie doesn't get security yeah yeah and it's and i i think megan made this point at one point in the interview too but but it's just like the fact that he is, that Archie was being denied a, you know, a traditional title at all. Like, I understand that the title is not incredibly important to Megan, but she pointed out, she's like, but this is the only like biracial member of this family besides me so why wouldn't he like why wouldn't he get a title that is like a

legitimate question and denying security and safety on top of all of that it's just like just it's so because it's like whatever there's like two antagonists in this story where it's the media and it's the internal family like it's two different evils kind of being being fought out here yeah and based on my understanding if the queen dies they'll skip charles because the crown and it was because of the crown because they're like we've seen the crown charles does become the king i think they would based on my understanding they would skip him and give it to will at this point oh really i don't know anything so please don't take any of this at face value that's what i'm gonna say before don't take any of this at face value

but i do believe what i've read they would potentially skip charles and go straight to will i didn't know and then wouldn't technically harry and megan if they were still in the family, become the Duke and Duchess based on my understanding? I don't know. I think that would allow for the child to have some goddamn security. British Zeitgeist is flailing around like, please. I, you know, I honestly have no idea. I like I admire the hell out of the fact that I mean it is like the parallels are so clear here where it's like there were things that I I because I the only thing I

know about the monarchy because I'm a basic person uh in this regard is I've seen the crown and I listened to the the series on you're wrong about about princess Diana and so I like heard all these like interview clips with her recently and some of the things that she says and then what Megan says here it's like this they've learned nothing they're also just now making race an issue as well and they're also being racist on top of being sexist and on top of like fuck you as long as things are upheld in the most supremacy way we can possibly do it it's just i'm glad that harry got his family like that harry saw the you know urgency of the situation but it's just so awful i did like the line where he's like uh it doesn't take long to realize uh the blatant racial injustice going on yeah he literally just

was like yeah and then like megan sent me a link and i was like oh my god i know i also thought megan showed restraint and patience there. I was like, she had to send you a link. That's not ideal. She forwarded him a link. Also, one thing that really stood out to me was the fact that Megan Markle had suicidal ideations. She was not doing well mentally. They basically told her, hey, you know what?

Everyone goes through this. Shit sucks. Don't worry about it. We'll protect you. Don't worry. And then she basically asked to go into a program, some sort of hospital program for her mental health. And they told her, no, it's not possible. It'll look bad. And it's like, well, how? Okay, I'm sorry, what looks worse, a woman getting help for her mental illness or God forbid it getting to a point where she actually kills herself? That's, I guess that's, and it's again, it's like how many times does this, I don't even know what you call it, but like this organization, this institution need to learn that this is like that this lesson yeah and it it's just so vile i don't yeah god truly outdated thinking and the way that harry was even scared to talk about it to his family because he was like i don't even know how to approach this like it's so outdated like so many levels of outdated you're still treating a person of

color like shit okay it's like 20 you know at the time it was right like this is in the only in the last few years okay right like right and then on top of that you don't even know how to deal with mental health issues come on it's yeah one last thing i want to touch on the skin tone yes fuck yourself and you know they wouldn't they were protecting someone now in the morning they had one last thing I want to touch on the skin tone. Yes. Fuck yourself. And you know, they wouldn't, they were protecting someone. Now in the morning,

they had not. I know, but this is, these are my theories based off also what I've been reading online. Oprah this morning said that Harry wanted to make it very clear that it wasn't queen Elizabeth or Prince Philip who said the, um, line about the kids, Archie skin tone. No offense, but can Prince Philip even say anything no like

at this point he is the living dead yeah so I think because if it was either one of them it wouldn't be as shocking because you're like yeah these are very old people who grew up in a different time so it makes sense if they had certain comments like that. Sure. I think. Also based on what I'm reading. It's someone younger who said it. Which is why it was so damning that they said. We can't say this. Because it would be so detrimental to that person.

So it's got to be. It's either Charles. Which even Charles. I wouldn't be surprised if he said that. Or potentially William. So I think there is, and I, I think that goes along with the theory because they,

Harry at the end did say that him and William are taking some space. So I don't know. That's of course, I know nothing. Don't take anything. I say, but you're not a Buckingham palace insider. I'm actually one of those guards who only listens, takes in all the tea, but is never allowed to spill.

Oh, my God. I yeah, I mean, that anecdote alone. I mean, I respect that they chose to keep the identity secret. Like, you know, whoever said that deserves to fucking, you know, be publicly shamed for the extremely racist, horrible, just like, just bad in every way, you know, action and comment that that is. It's just. Yeah, that's terrible. Yeah. All right. That's just terrible.

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To remind. Yeah. Oh, God. I love to remember I exist by being sent a series of 10% off codes each and every year. I love it. I love it. I love it. It honestly would be very funny to me if this episode went up and people were like, you know, there's a lot of good content in there, but they really couldn't do the voices. The voices were just killing me. What is going on with those voices? Which let's touch on something. Something we have a problem with is women. Hey, I don't know if you guys noticed this, but people might hate women.

Hold on. Hold on. Unpack this for me. It feels now I hate to say it zeitgeist but there is a trend where women guests get a lot more heat on this show than male guests and i think that is just our natural bias towards women we can't help it we hate women there's there's so many levels to this i don't we don't even have time to unpack the levels to this it is and a lot of the time it does feel like um and i mean it's it's obviously it's like

not an issue specific to this show medium anything like it just happens all the time but the the i don't know like the the subtlety with which it will happen sometimes is just it's just slowly erodes away at your brain right we they people have had years to perfect the microaggression it's fascinating the work they've done the i truly the the work being done in the community of microaggressions um is really stunning there's just little i mean it's not always little things sometimes it's just aggressive like don't be like i hate her voice i don't like how her voice sounds or like sorry everyone but everyone's obsession with like uh zodiac signs don't exist is very bizarre to me uh if you feel that way it's fine but please don't scream at any person who just it's usually a woman who brings it up and it's like like just a just sniper attack of like just let people enjoy what they enjoy it's

not hurting anybody and it is like it's just disproportionately female guests who will bring it up even in passing and it just is like you know it's like it's not hurting you yeah why are you yelling at us i it's just it's it's it's little things but they do add up it does really um you know it's a part of it and i hate that it feels like it's that's a part of my you know that's a part of my job is to for people to be an asshole for no reason i mean it's unfortunate and it's why we don't go on sites like Reddit or basically mute everyone on Twitter. Yeah. We have to protect our own mental health while we're like putting ourselves out there.

Right. Because it can be very destructive if you let it sink in. Like I've let certain comments sink in and I'll spend the whole day like, what the fuck? And then I'll be like, it's not worth it. It's not worth it. It's not worth it. But of course, you know, you can get 10 people being like you're so great love you and then the one person who's like you dumb bitch you're like you don't know what you're talking about it's unfortunate but

yeah that's how we're built we're human it's frustrating sometimes you gotta take a second i to me you are superhuman therefore um everyone is allowed to be mean it's i just like it's so oh it's just i don't know it it's a it's a strange sensation and you're totally right where it's like you can let it roll off your shoulders this happens to you know this happens to everybody but it's it happens dream it was happening to megan markle like yeah yeah if that level of what was happening to megan markle happened to me honey i would not be here no more i would i that's it's like truly uh i'm glad that she was able to protect or like, you know, build a, you know, not, I guess for lack of a better phrase, bubble where that information, like not everything can get to you. Because I'm like, ooh, I'm a compulsive checker, baby.

And I find the mean stuff and I let it really just, I mean, it's just, yeah. And that, I mean, you can't even imagine that level. Jesus fucking Christ. And then you're just supposed to be alive. Like,

how does that work? That's the biggest joke. Then we just have to continue to exist. Oh God. Yeah. Yeah. That's my Seinfeld joke. What's the deal with having to exist after being constantly ripped apart to shreds?

It's so, and it's like, I'm glad. That's for the guys. That's for, I'm glad that it's like being discussed. I mean, there is kind of like another, it feels like moment taking place right now where it seems like this kind of retroactive evaluation of how women have been treated. It's like, I feel like the Free Britney movement is very intrinsically connected to like, look how we let adults like treat a child

in this really sexualized way and controlling behavior and all of that. It's good that this moment is happening, but then it's also behavior and all of that it's it's good that this moment is happening but then it's also like there are days where it's like god like how many times are people going to have to like put their absolute just trauma out on the line and at the end of the day it's just like nothing you know changes or the change like it's just so I think we just all need to become more cognizant of why we are attacking someone so like right before you send that tweet insulting Jamie and I later today or write that reddit post whatever right before think why am I upset about

this is there a specific thing they said? Is it the way like, just think about it? Because I think the more we think about these things, the better we just need to become more self aware of what we're doing and why. Because that's how you're going to learn. Oh, my aggression is towards this or my aggression is towards that. Like, why am I so angry about that? Am I asking you to go to therapy? Of course I am. Because that's the way you figure out why you're so mad at these people. I it's like, it's like, yeah, I mean, everyone needs to do that kind of gut check. Because sometimes I'll have a moment where I'm like, why am I upset? And then it's like, wait a second, this is not hurting me or anyone. Maybe I could chill the fuck out. You

know, 90% of those moments, I just need to eat. So I just said, I'm not has those moments i just need to eat so i just then i'm not as upset i just need to eat i just need to get a happy meal for you it's literally a happy meal it's like i will be happy after my happy meal after my happy meal um you know it's shamrock shake season there's no reason we should all be upset right now um you can literally get a shamrock shake season there's no reason we should all be upset right now um you can literally get a shamrock shake at any time of the day really and they're nearby they're nearby to everyone so that is international wednesday is brought to you by shamrock shake yes we are you know after all that we are sellouts so please just let us exist okay i just bought a mansion in the bahamas with all this uh shamrock money just to kind of pivot off how women are treated i think let's talk about um

pharaoh v woody woody v pharaoh uh and i think one thing that is what it's called it's woody v pharaoh yes no it's alan v. Farrow. Alan V. Farrow. You're right. Because Woody is his first name. Okay. We're all learning. Yeah. I just think the treatment of Mia Farrow in all of this has been very interesting because that's, I haven't watched the show. So Jamie's going to elaborate further on it. But one point I want to make is that from the start everyone painted pharaoh as this oh just bitter angry woman trying to get back at alan for do you know and it was never like well let's look at the facts i guess my yeah what i had to kind of about because it was like this was going on when I think we were like too young to interact with the story as it was like rolling out like uh but but I just was like trying to put myself back in like

I think as recently as five years ago I like knew people who were like, Woody Allen's a terrible person, but Mia Farrow, like two things can be true here. And there are cases where that's the case. I just, particularly after the way that this really well put together series is being laid out, this is not the case here. I mean, it's just, and it's so frustrating to me because what I didn't realize is that a lot of the, like truly the argument that's been laid out for Woody Allen for years and years, which is that this was a retaliation. And this was, and like, why would I just become a, you know, a molester at age 57?

That doesn't make any sense, which is the defenses that I've heard of him over the years. But these defenses literally came from Woody Allen. This is like his narrative was consistent from the beginning. He came up with what he was going to say, and then he said it, and it didn't matter how much evidence there was. It's just just it's so frustrating and and the most recent episode I thought was particularly kind of illustrated that because the the first two episodes I think that there's going to be four total um but um the first two episodes, um, you know, it's difficult stuff, but it gives you the background for, uh, Woody Allen's history for his relationship with Sunni Previn and the,. Just fast forward a couple of minutes and I won't get like specific or anything. But the third episode mostly starts to get into the criminal side of it,

of like it becomes public information. The media narrative was that Mia Farrow made this public accusation and that like she was kind of pulling the strings. I didn't realize that was not true. She told, you know, she brought her daughter Dylan to the doctor to say what had happened. And the doctor legally had to report it to the police. That was why this information became public is because if you tell a doctor that your child has been assaulted, they have to report it to the police that was why this information became public is because if you tell a doctor that your child has been assaulted they have to report it like that is why this existed in the first this whole case you know began the way it did and you're kind of following for the

whole episode the way that the case goes in new york you see basically just it's infuriating because I mean, much like elements of the Meghan Markle story with the Royals, it's all stuff we know, but just the insidiousness and like how it's just like devastating. They're talking to social workers in New York who like left their job over it because they were just like, you know, this man clearly thinks he can buy his way out of, you know, this crime that he is clearly committed. And he was successful in doing that. He was denied custody of his daughter,

which is the absolute least thing that can happen, but it is, you know, kind of follows you through how he, uh, managed to get, uh, his claws into some of the interviews that were being done and like, was able to get information that made him seem like he had been exonerated and then just had his legal team say, I've been exonerated, even though that wasn't true. And like, it's just so, and like it's just so it's so bleak there is one the hero of uh this episode i want to shout him out for some reason but this social worker named paul williams who um was one of the new york um social workers who had interviewed d, like believed her, found her to be very credible and consistent, which basically everyone has said was true. And that's a whole other issue of like how we interview and speak to children who have been abused.

But like he got fired over that. Like they called him insubordinate for believing an abused child. Like they called him insubordinate for believing an abused child. And he had to sue his place of work to be like, on what grounds am I insubordinate for doing my job correctly? And like, just the level of systemic, like we need to let, you know,

wealthy white auteur guy buy his way out of this, like, or the system ceases to function is basically what you're supposed to be taking away it's just oh i hate it but i'm very glad that it's being reported on the way it's out i gotta watch it now i feel like i always every time i read about it the way they would paint mia farrow um it was always so insidious to me that i'd be like this is a hit job like it always felt right so obviously like this is someone being attacked because oh maybe she had she had acted a certain way in the past but like you can't take it all

and throw it and use it against her and be like this is why you guys are lying because this great director writer would never and it's like you don't we have our whole lives we have watched people hiding in plain sight be like true monsters so like you can't really tell me you can't tell me shit it's also yeah over and over again. How many times do we need to learn the last? I mean, that's the thing is you just, you have the same situation and it's like, no one ever learns the lesson, I guess is, is the true issue. And there, I can like get, I, you should treat like, I do recommend this series if,

get i you should true like i i do recommend this series if um if you're able to to stomach it but it like the the amount of fuckery that was going on with there was this entire study or this entire report that was done on the allegations that um they threw away all of their notes they're like oh we threw away all of our notes and all evidence of uh having interviewed it um of having interviewed dylan and uh we just don't find her to be credible and it's like well i don't find this study to be credible and just all this shit it's just it's so bleak i hope i hope that this you know series will be able to accomplish something not just for this case but you know for outside of it as well i things are so things are so bad things are bad well that's why we have to keep talking about it uh before we go let's choice by burger king to put out an ad for women's day in it's basically

their their burger king foundation bk foundation they're launching a culinary scholarship program to bring more women sure into leadership positions in the culinary industry which is is an admirable goal right like sure that's not the issue here what the issue really stems around the fact that they put out an ad oh god that reads women belong in the kitchen oh i i mean this is genuinely really funny like what the fuck are you it's just the tweet is still up for some reason at burger king uk the uk first of all taking a lot of l's today women belong in the It's like the you could say any other word choice. I'm like blown away. Like looking at the tweet is so it's so stark. It's just right there.

Women belong in the kitchen period. They put out a tweet saying we hear you and we got our initial tweet wrong and we're sorry. We'll do better next time. Thank you. got our initial tweet wrong and we're sorry we'll do better next time there thank you i hope that the queen does like uh would it be funny if like the the royal family had to do like a no zap apology for this they're like um it's recently come to my attention that wait the tweet responding to the women belong in the kitchen they responded with if they want to of course it's like you're not helping happy international women's day i mean like we're not forcing you to like only if you want to but like we just think there should be more women in the kitchen but like not like that like like like just in the way that like i think that they should be cooking

for me i don't know it might not like for me but like for the world but like you know it's like what like for a reasonable wage i'm assuming i don't know uh but no but no no no we would pay them yeah to get in that kitchen there's like a good thing this is a good thing i just like what a spectacular way to undercut your own initiative like it's a so that's a solid premise for an initiative. It's like more women in culinary elite. Who was in the room for this decision? I just have some ideas. I feel like it's 40 men and a girl boss.

Social needs a meeting. Whatever agency they hired that pitched this idea, I would go back to them and kind of express why this is not a good idea um did you see that okay this is kind of an aside but there was a thing where people posted a video of megan markle when she was like 10 she wrote to uh a dishwashing liquid company because in their ad they literally say women need better whatever like need better grease oh you know whatever to clean these dishes so she wrote it like i don't

understand why they have to say women isn't it people and so she wrote a letter to this company and they changed the ad to say people and then she went on like a little news show she was like 10 okay oh my god i don't i just saw this on twitter and i was like that's like if 10 year old megan markle who is literally on her way to destroying the british monarchy yes was like guys in like probably early 90s like hey man it's not women okay we're not the only one who cook and clean like burger king come on i don't know probably like that's so funny that's so cool oh so well that yeah even the iron the irony's dead it's not even like ironically i was gonna say i was gonna say like my my my little pet theory with this is

it was written and intended to be inflammatory and get them a bunch of free press, which we are currently doing also. So I love the king. If so, you got our asses. You got it. Again, we got sold out. I just bought another mansion on that Burger King sellout money. It's just like you remember when Sonny D was having a mental health crisis and you're just like what is going on do you remember that no i don't unfortunately sunny d once said i'm not like that would be the weirdest joke ever but but it was just a thing that happened it was it was the weirdest joke ever it was just sunny d said like i can't do this anymore this is okay we don't even need to talk about we don't even need to talk brand twitter is too much it's gotta go let's let's end on this final story uh we went longer than we were supposed to but who

cares baby women be talking am i right yack yack yacking all day we're just monsters um yeah so something you might have noticed are t-shirts that say like feminist af the future is female uh girls do it better feminist that's how you pronounce all that not feminist yeah you know they're just companies making these shirts um uh-huh uh yeah but here's but here's the thing so this story uh was in euro news today uh there's been a number of stories over the years to this effect but it's just i think um a cleanly illustrated example of like the optics of supporting women versus the work of doing it. And it's like widely applicable to a lot of different things. But basically the story indicates, I want to make sure I'm getting the name of the company correct,

that this company, Pretty Little Thing, is currently under investigation for modern slavery in the way that they are running their manufacturing. Their employees are, by and large, women. They are not being paid anywhere near to enough because they're under investigation for modern slavery and it's employees like this and majority women making these girls support girls empowered women t-shirts while being treated subhuman and this is like i mean this is an issue that spans across fast fashion in general but i think that just this example in particular, it's exploiting women for profit. And, you know, when you buy a fast fashion shirt that says feminist, you're not doing anything is something to keep in mind. You're not, you've done nothing and you should maybe be... It's tricky because fast fashion is tied up in this entire industrial complex of the fact that the working class is not paid enough to be able to afford ethically made clothes all the time. And that's an entire issue um as well but it's it's basically just like okay um

you can't manufacture a shirt that says i support women when women are being oppressed in the making of that so it's a the classic no ethical consumption under capitalism um don't buy shirts like that if you want a shirt that it's and that's not even like buy a shirt that says feminist like you know live your life they're fun shirts uh but you know just just do some homework you know buy buy buy from companies that are treating their employees ethically um which even like a quick google search you can literally write the brand's name and then like controversy and like oh they'll tell you they'll tell you what they've been up to also another brand was boohoo boohoo was the big one which is like a big uh what is it called a

fast fashion oh sorry pretty little thing is of the Boohoo family. Boohoo's a big umbrella of fast fashion brands. Jeez. Okay. So yeah, I mean, when you buy from companies like that, especially when you think you're buying something with a progressive message, it's a slap in the face to the movement i also learned from this piece that uh there was a murder at an h&m supplier factory last month there's like oh yeah fast fashion is um a true societal evil wow so happy international women's day i it's again it's just like you know making responsible choices um and you know when and where you're able to have i shopped at forever 21 in the past yes uh it's it's not like a condemnation of anyone who has ever participated in fast fashion but it is like information that

you need to know and there are affordable alternatives that's correct thank you for joining me on this wonderful international women's day where both our periods started at the exact same time exact same minute exact same second exact same millisecond exact same minute, exact same second, exact same millisecond. Because that is all. And that is allyship. Yep, exactly. We are that deeply connected. And that's why we were chosen to take over today's Daily Zeitgeist Trends episode.

That's why it's 45 minutes long. It's 45 minutes out there because we really needed the time to free bleed, baby. Happy International Women's Day. It's 45 minutes out there because we really needed the time to free bleed, baby. Woo! Happy International Women's Day. Bye. Look out for your tweets. All right. Goodbye. Please do not add us as a gift.

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