The Daily Zeitgeist - Trucker Convoy Reaches Mordor, Unlimited Growth = BAD??? 04.27.22

Episode Date: April 27, 2022

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there it's a lot of big day like you know normally know, normally, like, it'll be obscure things. Like, don't bang your pinky on the foot of a bed day type stuff. Well, this one is Stop Food Waste Day, Denim Day, Gummy Bear Day, National Babe Ruth Day, Devil Dog Day, Prime Rib Day. Devil Dog got top billing over Gummy Bear. Oh, shit. What the fuck is a Devil Dog? Yeah, I was looking that up uh mere moments ago uh it appears to be a dessert yeah okay fine fine and that's i'm gonna do a world war ii or some shit okay it all does doesn't it it all roads lead back to world war ii right number two right if we're not careful uh well my name is jack o'brien aka i got hollow fangs

i feel the straw and my teeth suck blood through my hollow fangs won't make a mess just two small holes that is courtesy of my brain can't stop thinking about those hollow fangs yeah um also i thought that was the dirty dancing song that was by patrick swayze um it is in fact by someone named eric some some guy named eric some eric carmen dude yeah to my hungry eyes yeah it was a jam shout out the god eric carmen i don't even know any other i don't i think i only remembered his name because that's my grandmother's name and i was like what how's this this last name is my grandma's first name names don't make sense well that was me at age six well i'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray.

It's Miles Gray, a.k.a. Biopic Me With Your Best Shot. Why, Biopic Me With Your Best Shot. Biopic Me With Your Best Shot. Biopic away. Okay, shout out to, who was that? Ruthie Fudge on Twitter. Yes, at Ruthless Fudge on twitter yes at ruthless fudge on twitter shout out patty b shout out myron grombacher uh the drummer of that band my homie's dad okay we got pat benatar look i'm forrest gump okay i know i know a little bit about everybody out here

um but yeah thank you for having fun with the pronunciation of biopic biopic yeah okay the whoever wins we all lose or the opposite it's fine i prefer to say biopic but i can't intellectually i really do understand that i think it probably should be pronounced biopic biopic because it's biography that's what i was yeah that's what i was i don know. I still can't get my mind around it. All right. That's fine. That's fine. Well, speaking of things we'll never get our mind around, today's guest. We are thrilled to be joined once again by one of the funniest writers and comedians

out here doing it. You've seen her on TV, on stages across this great land. She's written for Netflix's History of Swear Words. Yes. A local periodical called the new yorker uh she's at the point in her life where she's deeply calmed by miniatures uh welcome back to the show the hilarious and talented maggie may for me welcome welcome question biopic or biopic biopic but biopic sounds easier better because it's what you're trying to do yeah i think because biopic is it sounds like biopsy too i think that's what's throwing me off

too yeah um also second question do drac do vampires have hollow fangs that they use like straws to suck the blood out through their fangs. Or do they bite you and just bleed you out? In your mind, how do those fangs operate? So I thought they bit you with the fangs and got a good vein going and just sucked it out of you. Kind of like when you shotgun a beer. Right. They're just shotgunning blood out of you. Right.

But they're not doing it sloppy like it's your first shotgun. It's getting all over the place. You're like, I got all 12 ounces into my mouth. This isn't their first bloodbath. Right, right. Okay. I like that one. And that is the correct opinion.

I'm always amazed when I find other people like Miles and I who believed that they had straws in their fangs for some reason and that those fangs just extracted the blood through them. I used to believe that. Oh, you blood uh through them i used to believe that oh yeah i used to believe that but then i was just like wait a minute that looks familiar wait a minute i've tried it both ways and this way is much more efficient i like the shotgunning a beer that brings me back to the days of teen Wolf when he uses his fangs to shotgun a beer. And it immediately impresses the girl he's trying to impress. So by spraying beer foam all over her, which I quickly learned not as cool as Teen Wolf made it seem. Now imagine if Teen Wolf was a teen vampire and he was trying to impress somebody shotgunning beer out of their neck and they'd be like, this is a crime, but also kind of cool.

They're like, wow, he shotgunned the blood out of that cow. Not a drop left. So would the equivalent of like shotgunning, like shaking it up and shotgunning it, would the equivalent be just like having them do a quick workout? No. So the blood was like ready to just come? I think if you're hitting a main artery, there's enough arterial pressure to eject the blood at a velocity enough for a clean consumption. Maybe enough for you, but I'm talking about a party vampire.

I'm not here to make a show. I'm not sipping those coronita little corona beers okay family yeah yeah i'm drinking a heineken party keg of blood the best drinking like blood thin alcohol thins your blood right so he would want somebody who'd been drinking alcohol plus secondhand alcohol okay right so maybe uh but for your sobriety jack i would check on that you know what i mean you don't want to mess up. Yeah, what would that do? Yeah. Probably not okay.

That feels like a bit that would be in what we do in the shadows. I've been like, no, don't go after the bar patrons. You're sober now, and we know what you're doing. It's like when you stop drinking liquor, but you only start drinking IPA beers all the time. That's right. What's the alcohol content? What's that ABV abv on there all right that's like standing in front of the beer case just like reading all the labels that was me that was me dude that was ago that was a breathalyzer can i

eat you jack that that flavor doesn't sound appealing whoa what's wrong with butt water ipa it sounds good i'm like you're only doing it because of the ABV. No, I'm trying a new one now. That's not what you're talking about. I do not identify with that at all. I mean, look, I was the same. I've been in many positions too where I'd use the IPA hack to get drunk with somebody

who was drinking less. And you're like, oh yeah, I'm just having beer right now. I'm just going to have the most powerful beer at this bar many times over. But at least I'm not carrying a cocktail glass. But, Jack, in our defense, like we said, we were brought to the idea of the hollow fang myth because of imagery in the media. People weren't all bloody messes that allowed us to believe that blood was just spilling everywhere. And, again, I fall back to the rhesus

peanut butter cup commercial from the early 90s where they said how does a vampire eat his rhesus and it was just two holes in it and the shit was gone that's true that is true as a child as a youth and they're they are making a claim to truth in that ad by saying this is how a vampire it's not like just a thing that incidentally happens in the background they're they're saying hey we have some uh data for you uh for your young mind to just check out here this is actually how uh a vampire we tested it this is how they eat a so uh if only republicans knew how powerful commercials were they would just start they would just fully be out here yeah out here making you think that your blood can't really spray if you get your neck bit exactly

now maggie on twitter you're talking about you you are working on a project that involves miniatures so i don't want to i don't want to blow up anything but i am just like i want to hear you talk about miniatures. Do you want, do you promise to bring that up in your search history over? I will. Yeah. I found a way to bring it into my search history because I'm so excited about talking about it.

All right. Well, we are going to get to that in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about. We're going to talk about the truckers, the piss soaked truckers returned to California after their triumphant convoy about the nation saving lives. I don't know what the fuck they claim to have been doing,

but they're back, and they were ready to liberate Oakland, and Oakland was not ready to be liberated. No. We will talk about that very interesting decision a venue for them but okay you just heard about oakland okay uh we'll talk about cnn plus uh going down we'll talk about uh budgets for streaming shows going way up um and just like generally the the need for growth the addiction to growth um on like basically everything but media in particular it feels like you know a media thing has success and then wall street's like all right so how do we 10x this what what my how do we scale my blog right

yeah yeah i mean like i feel like we could get being three million people here this is a real specific thing about like the sickest ipas that's right to drink but um and we're gonna talk about uh mpr if we have time i want to i want to just ask you guys, have you listened to NPR lately? And do you realize how weird it is? All of that, plenty more. But first, Maggie, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? Okay. My search history, I looked up knee injury.

Because on Easter, actually um i hurt my knee playing hack uh yeah but it was worth it i was playing hacky sack hey all right and i did one of those cart wheels to kick the ball into play what yeah i love this what but i did not compensate for the fact that the ground was a little bit uneven so i landed kind of weird and my knee kind of snapped and then snapped back and uh yeah it just i i think it was a sprain but i have good knees i have like megan the stallion knees so i was like am I going to recover from this? Am I going to hurt feelings in the future? Right, right, right. Any soreness? How's your mobility now a few days after?

It's not bad. I took a walk today and it wasn't too bad. It was just probably a mile and a half round trip, not much. But like, yeah, I mean, I've been icing it. I've been taking ibuprofen. I've been doing everything that I can do right to get back to where i was that's the answer 99 of the time just ice it and put a take ibuprofen yeah yeah rice baby and you you got all this from just googling knee injury just the words knee injury yeah yeah well i mean i had to go to the er that

night because it was like really swollen and really hurting. And I was like, let me just double check, make sure I didn't break anything. So I didn't break anything. They're sending me to some specialist just in case. So I should be fine. But I was just like, oh, my goodness. Am I going to be able to show people what time it is in the future? Yeah. On the hacky sack pitch yeah i'll do it again i've learned zero lessons i will try it

again and i will you're an athlete you know one speed okay what do you mean doc thank you you're not gonna initiate this with a fucking signature cartwheel again exactly i need a new specialist am i gonna not do something badass at a easter party just come on man fuck i'm like yeah you're talking to like can i get to refer to someone who like knows what fucking time it is did they have do they have a haggisack specialist at the er or did you have to see them yeah dr feelgood was not working at the hour that I showed up. But her specialist did have dreadlocks and was a white guy.

So it felt appropriate. We're going to get you back out there. We're going to get you back out there. He said that I was doing really, yeah. That was my diagnosis. Cha, brah. He said cha when he was done. Cha, brah.

he said cha now haggisack is typically played there's no place that is typically played it's all over the place right so i mean i guess that is one of the hazards of of the game that you love is that you know sometimes the ground will be uneven yeah that's i mean and it'd been a while since i played and i was just getting so excited because we were having a lot of chatter not a lot of pancake batter uh okay so i i didn't really look what you know what was going on but i got it for next time i got it next time well please tell me that you were just ether in the field like everybody was like damn maggie came to fucking play i mean or were there other well-skilled hackers with you?

We were shot. No, I came to play. That was not my first play of the thing. I got it off my head. I think I did one of them body rolls where you kick it on the butt. Oh, no. You know what I did?

I took it and I did a spin and kicked it through the back. You know when you're facing them? You get it up in your feet and then you turn around and spin and kick it in. What the fuck? I did that several times. Oh how does uh so how i want i want to know like how does a hack come together like are you just walking down the street and people are hacky sacking or do you and you just jump in or like do is this a meetup where you guys are like yo let's go down to the park and

oh no it was like a easter party and we were playing and then there was like, oh, there's a hacky sack I want to play. There are a bunch of different games that we were doing, but if I walk up on a hacky sack game and I can get in, I'm going to get in. I'm going to get in, get one hack in and just make their whole day. Blow my knee out.

Holy shit. She just walked through and did that. Blow your knee out and then curse in front of a bunch of kids at Easter. You're still like, motherfucker, my fucking knee. It's bullshit. Your fucking yard is shit. I don't care, Carrie. I don't care if your child is three years old.

Fuck that. You're yelling at the people in his house. You better have an umbrella policy. Right. You better have an umbrella policy. Fucking joke. Fucking joke. Fuck out of here, man. You want to do your little kid game shit fucking what's the worst way you have you ever embarrassingly hurt your knee

jack uh no i i did hurt my back one time uh there was like a uh pretty woman who was like my friend and i were leaving a bar in New York City and she was like, hey, I'm trying to get this thing up these stairs, do you think you could help me? And I was like, sure, sure thing. Lowered my voice a couple octaves and was like, yeah, I got this, no problem. And she hadn't told us she was on the fourth floor

of a walk-up. I was pouring sweat when i got done she was like do you do you want money like do you want twenty dollars i was like no no like that that was nothing and then i got down and when i got to the street level i laid down on the um on the sidewalk and and could not get back up uh and then she walked by and i was like hey what's up just chilling yeah no no no it wasn't from it wasn't from lifting the thing it was uh nah it was nothing you know i'm big big mellow fan so i like to lay down on the court sometimes like mellow does off the baseline that's what i'm just tired oh yeah yeah that sucks that sucks that you even you had to even explain like afterwards like no i'm good on the 20 bucks if i can just lay in front of your building

for 20 minutes like just on the stoop that would be great she had to come down and be like i broke him yeah oh no and then she was like could you could you please get out from in front of my apartment do i have to call someone please do you need a ride somewhere yeah the worst i hurt my knee was on a gigantic slip and slide like yeah an inflatable one and it was on a fucking hill and it was basically it had like an inflatable backstop but i think i weighed more than like the people running it were like yeah go ahead man just like let it rip i have my leg straight out in front of me i hit that backstop and like my left knee just went and i was just like oh my god fucking slip and slide injury like when plateable

slip and slide injury and i had to walk that shit off i was like i'm good i'm good because other people like whoa whoa you came in a lot of speed and i really did the probably thing like you jack was like no i'm good i'm good and then i found like a corner and like like a hurt animal to like die in the bushes like away from everyone's view and i was like i just want to be alone i'm not hurt just on my phone man i'm just going through some stuff man my uncle passed recently man just leave me the fuck alone oh man that was like when i was uh dating this girl i had never kissed a girl before and like the whole night i was really nervous about like that i was gonna have my first kiss and like so

uh and she was like what's wrong with you i was like i just got a lot going on at home she dumped me the next day really serious and fucked up anyway did y'all kiss yeah yeah yeah oh but you. Oh, but you're like, I got a lot of shit going on now. Make with the kissies. All right. My mom's here. Got to go. A lot of tables.

All right. Mommy, I did the kiss. Good. Thank you. Thank you for kissing my son. What is something you think is overrated? Okay. So overrated. And let me preface this i like

this thing twitter is overrated yeah i like twitter i love twitter i'm on twitter currently i don't 46 billion dollars like twitter right i don't know anybody making money off of twitter right now like twitter i mean it's just fun and recreation. The fact that, you know, they didn't even verify me. So you want to buy a $46 billion entity that doesn't even recognize that I'm cool? Yeah. Big mistake. Musk.

Yeah. Honestly, it was one of those things, too. Like you said, I'm like, yeah, I like Twitter. I'm like, hmm. But if it starts going down, not that much. Like, cause I, I think a lot of people's concerns are like,

Oh, are we just going to go back to like 2015, 16 Twitter? Yeah. Where it was just an absolute pit fire. You know what I mean? Just like, and being like,

yeah, this is free speech. And I'm like, yeah, I'm good on that. I can, I'll use. The problem with Twitter is not that people don't have free speech like that's

not the issue no one can say like oh we can't say whatever i had a an account the name of the account was nigger cat and the bio of it said i meow at niggers i don't know if you guys can even play this or if you're gonna play a cat going meow when i say the word but um i like he just started meowing at me and i went looked at the account and he's just meowing at black people and i was like twitter uh hey this person who says that this is what they do is doing this and harassing me. Right. And Twitter was like, we see no problem. It has not got against our thing. And so one of my friends was like, oh, sometimes it takes somebody with like a blue checkmark to complain about something. So I had a few of my friends like and a few people like saw that and they were like, no.

And they all went and did that. And Twitter was just like, oh, well, we've decided of our own accord that we're going to remove this account. Oh, yeah, yeah. They're like, you're not black. You don't even have a blue checkmark. You're like, excuse me? That doesn't make my observation valid? Unfortunately, can't confirm, yeah.

Yeah, like, what the fuck are you talking about? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's, again, I mean, I think it's going to take a while to actually see what is going to be rolled out because there's still a lot of approvals to go through that that mega deal. But I mean, it's just it's it doesn't I'm not I'm not convinced that this guy is here to do the right thing. And also, I have feeling he's not going to be I don't think even he's ready to know what the fuck he's going to have to do running Twitter and dealing with the headache of content moderation and all that shit.

And like, how can you what do you think is going to make it better? Like, what in your mind is like, oh, Twitter is missing this. Twitter is missing, you know, an ice cream machine. Twitter is missing that. Like, what could you really add to Twitter that people are going to be like, yeah, okay, this is worth it. When people go to your profile page, we'll let a hit song play for the first 30 seconds. Like MySpace, remember that? With some glitter graphics on there. to your profile page we'll let a a hit song play for the first 30 seconds like myspace remember with some glitter graphics on there yeah really bring me my top 10 on twitter like let's just map

a bunch of facebook shit on there like let me do a bunch of wacky backgrounds i can just fuck up using code and be like yeah man your curse are gonna sparkle when you fucking come to my page uh but yeah it's i think i mean the biggest thing that i think that i've heard recently is that he your curse are going to sparkle when you fucking come to my page. But yeah, it's, I think, I mean, the biggest thing that I think that I've heard recently is that he wants to make sure that every person using it as a verified human being to get around

the bot issue. And I'm like, okay, if you think you know how to climb that fucking mountain. Yeah. I'm sure. But I have a feeling too, or it's going to turn into a thing where it's like any startup company where

it's like, let's try a bunch of terrible ideas. Yeah. And then we'll just cycle through them and like every day it's gonna be some weird shit and eventually people just I don't know go back to the AOL. Yeah I feel like it's gonna be all about free speech for him and other powerful people. Right. They're not going to be too worried about anybody who's not there. Buy my dog shit token, okay?

Dog shit token moon. Buy now. All right. Elon out. But yeah, it's going to be... That's what I'm curious, though, too, is to see when that happens, how people fuck with Elon to start posting shit

that's directly about him to like you know catalyze a response from twitter that's the thing it's like i'm pretty sure that you will stop like you will censor my eat the rich messages if they have really specific recipes and ideas like i'm sure that that's not something that you want that's not a hashtag you want circulate right like in the uprisings when people are like here's how you actually commandeer a military humvee you know what i mean when they're like you know how to turn on a military humvee because it's not the normal thing you need to turn it over once twice and then put it in gear like those tweets i was like i wonder if tweets like that are gonna cook on twitter uh when elon

is in charge or that one dude who's just tracking him yeah right yeah he offered five grand to thank if you offered him five grand and then was like all right i guess we'll go with the 41 billion then that's my other plan so plan a get this guy to stop following me but yeah uh what is something you think is underrated okay so uh this is where my miniatures project comes in i'm super excited about it um i'm obsessed with fashion dolls specifically black fashion dolls because growing up in south texas there weren't a lot of black people they didn't make a priority to have black dolls right so now that i'm an adult with all my own money and my own car to drive to the store I get as many black dolls as I can and I've been meaning to for a while make little doll scenes so they're now like I made a little brunch scene for some of them there's like a little kitchen scene where

they're cooking and then like there's a kid scene and then like I got a Bill Clinton doll he's peeking in at brunch it's like it's super cute you have a Bill Clinton fashion doll yeah my neighbor gave me like a Bill Clinton it's supposed to talk but it's like sealed from the 90s like no one's ever like opened it so it doesn't work anymore but it looks just like him and it's like it's super funny to have him just peeking in looking like what are you ladies having for brunch so like it's super cute so um with the kitchen scene I was making like you know pies and you know, like easy to make little things. I figured they needed a little bit of a more healthy situation. So I figured, let me go get those runs candies that we all had.

That's perfect. You know, that was the perfect candy to do, you know, for dolls. Right. They don't sell runs anymore. What? candy to do you know for dolls right they don't sell rents anymore what you can't go to a target or to cvs or like a walmart even and get like a like a a box of runts or anything like that you you have to buy it at uh amazon like you have to look it up like go to amazon there are places that'll sell you just a bag of the the bananas but they don't. So, runts are underrated because, like, you really think that they're always going to be there for you. Yeah.

You know, as a kid, you always think that's the healthiest candy out there. It's shaped like, you know, like you always. I took it for granted. And now that I can't get it, now I'm like, oh, it tasted good, too. It wasn't just a good display candy for dolls. It was also a delicious the red ones the green the green ones were good so uh that wasn't underrated a question about runts and how they fit into a miniature uh like scape that you're building because the the bananas

feel like they're the right size the orange looks like an orange compared to the bananas feel like they're the right size. The orange looks like an orange compared to the bananas. And then there's a giant purple, I don't know if that's, like I'm guessing it's grape, but that would be the biggest grape in the history of the world. The big purple balls. We going eggplant on that? Either that or I got a little tray-looking thing that I'm going to just put them in as some kind of a casserole.

Okay. Damn. That's clever. I mean, couldn't you get in with the fashion dolls? I know when I was a kid in Japan, there were always little, like, miniature restaurant things made for people to super turn up their scenes. I went to Daiso in Japan and bought a bunch of erasers that are perfect size. Oh, shit.

Okay. They look like real food. I got a bento box. I got sushi. I got sauce. Okay, okay. So we're international. I got a chips, you know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that. I got chips. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that. All kinds of stuff. But now I need to go get some more dolls because I got another scene planned after this one. Okay, okay, okay. Are those devil dogs? That was my Bill Clinton spying on your brunch scene. Those devil dogs.

Just a creep. I feel like having that, you can get so comedic just by throwing a Bill Clinton doll in the mix with a bunch of black women you know what I mean I don't know like a weird family circus cartoon strip where it's like you know girl hey y'all

hey sisters you want to help me get my reed wet so I can play sax y'all saw me on Arsenio, right? They're like, oh shit, Bill coming. Bill coming. Shut the fuck up. It's the comic strip where it sees Black Lemon and Bill Clinton is their roommate.

Just in a suit at all times. Yeah. Exactly. Doesn't this motherfucker got somewhere to go it's like well you know since hillary left his ass he's a fucking mess who want to watch live and single with me yeah exactly i mean sometimes i feel like i'm kind of maxine shaw they're like all right credit to you you fucking with maxine i guess yeah i'm just laughing at honestly i think i would watch a cartoon about bill clinton inconveniencing a bunch of people because he's their roommate and like de-grappling with the fact that it's bill clinton is that what your miniatures project is

hey i'm gonna send you some spec scripts for your miniatures i mean i love that you're working on a miniatures project because i feel like we have like the miniatures projects we get are all like you know wes anderson or wes anderson light like a there's a lot of uh that twee sensibility i want i want some new some new brains in the miniature world yeah i'm gonna take some pictures of them as soon as i'm done with this living room one but i'm super excited i'll just go and look at it sometimes and be like yeah they're so cute look i love that though that i mean and i love that you're capturing a thing from your childhood because that's so much about like it's a weird dimension of our personalities that we don't really indulge as much as adults like

we're like man i'm off that shit i don't really do that and i there's so many things like i've but i love doing as a kid i mean sneakers is like the thing that i couldn't afford as a kid that now i have my own money i'm like well now have you seen my doll collection my sneaker collection but even like with other stuff like like playing with like legos and shit i was like, man, I need to buy some fucking Legos. I fucking love Legos. I don't know why the fuck. The only reason I'm not playing with them is because I'm like, I've told myself I'm too old. But every time I'm with my nieces or nephews, I'm like, man, get them fucking Legos out.

Yeah. Get Legos out and get out of my way. Yeah. No, seriously. They're like, I wanted that piece. I'm like, you don't know what you're doing with this. You can barely use the Technic set. Bring that glue gun over here yeah there's a like when i when i lived in new york there was a

a museum exhibit that like came through uh that was this woman francis glessner lee have you heard of she like lived from 1878 to 1962 and like was just obsessed with creating like murder scenes like recreating real murder scenes uh with miniatures like it's just it was wild because it was like oh this is just like somebody's weird obsession but it just like kind of comes in and out of relevance and like said people are just like really fuck with it oh yeah yeah i highly recommend if anybody has a chance to look at you know i'm just thinking i fucking love i think reason two is i remember seeing model sets as a kid and being so wowed i'm like i'll never have the patience to make a like a scene like this using miniatures but i love to look at it because it's so clear like how difficult it is to make it so i don't know there's an energetic exchange uh when you look upon miniatures although

i was terrible making dioramas and that shit was terrible for me that shit was terrible terrible it was i see it's so oh my god it's just trailing off i think very specifically i had to make a like a representation of giza in Egypt. I fucking ripped up a shoebox in the middle of it because my pyramids were not looking right. I fucking, I like stole sand from the sandbox at my school because I'm like, I'm going to glue that to the bottom because it's a desert. Didn't know how to properly put sand in a fucking diorama. It just looked like dusty and shit. Anyway, I'm sorry. I have a lot of diorama based. Alright, let's take

a break. It'll sound like just a brief break to the listener. It'll probably be about a half hour while we work through this with Miles and then when we come back, we're going to talk about truckers. And I didn't have my mom help me. That's the fucking difference. These other motherfuckers came in with the glue gun shit. There's no glue gun trail.

Motherfucker. Liar liar fucking liars follow the glue gun yeah follow the glue straight to your mother's bedroom it's funny my mom would always say that shit because when i ripped mine up i was in tears she's like but that's good all these other american children they rely on their parents to do their work and you doing it on your own i was like but you can't help me i was like mom you help me put my stickers on she's like you will not be weak like these other motherfuckers i'm like my parents my parents never did projects for me hell no that was fucking that was so foreign to me when i saw somebody they were like yeah my mom

helped me do them like i know your mom fucking helped you it's so clear that somebody with nothing to do helped you do this shit with adult hands yeah this dude did a his dad did his whole thing he did a fiber optics thing and it was a giant tube he didn't even really know how it worked he was just like oh you shine a light on this end and then you'll see a light on the other end and i was like yeah that's how light works right like and then you couldn't even really see the light i was just like what is this and i was like just stand next to him right just stand next to him with a flashlight be like i just did the same shit and it was a lot easier see you can see the light right and i'm just turning it on and off so uh he couldn't even say what it was it's like like, what is your problem?

Fiber optics, you know. Can I call my dad real quick? Yeah, yeah. Put him on speaker. Sure thing, Elon. Go ahead. Go ahead, Elon. Let him know.

You got emeralds in your pockets too, motherfucker? Come up off them emeralds real quick. Dad helping with your projects and shit. Paying for a snack before school with emeralds like Elon Musk. Do you have change for an emerald someone needs to do a project on like boy genius elon musk and he's just a rich kid who just like pushes people around with emeralds all right i think every i think it's going to be incumbent on every comedian to have a pet project that tries to get you banned from Twitter because you're coming straight for Elon Musk's neck.

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Listen to Spiraled on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, we've been back for like five minutes now. All right. But we have not talked. We have not yet started talking about the number one story yes of the day um the trucker convoy has decided to liberate oakland and oakland said get the fuck out of here they said do you know where the fuck you are um so the trucker convoy i didn't know that they had continued to convoy it up well because they were just like all right that was an l in dc let's just head back they drove across not much going on

and now they're back in california because it started in california and then picked up all the detritus along the way to dc and now they're back and you know proven once again that american self-victimization is one of the saddest sights to behold and they've made okay so now they're in california they got a new tactic it's because there's not no real vaccine mandates and shit to push back on so now it's just stuff like driving to politicians houses and honking their horns because they don't agree with someone who thinks americans deserve body autonomy so they're like yeah that's a good that's a winning project this person wants to make contraception available to people fuck yeah let's just go to their neighborhood so what happens is

on friday they were taking a little trip they're in the bay area and they decided to go to oakland okay um and i guess they never heard of oakland or the bay area because they drove there they drove through there with the fucking energy of liberators like they were like waving out the car with like they're like you can take the mask off hooray and people were like flicking them off screaming shit i've never even heard before and they found out very quickly they were in fact driving through the oakland berkeley border okay i can't think of a bluer fucking spot to be uh in california than the the border of oakland and berkeley uh and they drive through look this is the other thing right like the bay area i thought like conservatives knew better like i thought that was more door to them where they're like we cannot go in there

fuck we can't go in there fucking lacking because these people do not want to hear what the fuck we have to say in fact it's the antithesis of everything we believe so as they creep through the streets they were met with a ton of eggs being thrown and like clockwork it seemed like shopkeepers just came out with like flats of eggs to like people on the street i'm like yeah man go ahead i got some fucking eggs go ahead fucking do your thing let's fuck these trucks up and then like some kind of epic game of thrones scene then like like a bunch of people showed up out of nowhere like as i call it the king's battalion of angry zoomer kids showed up like like just throwing their fucking eggs and turned it up

another notch. And I just want to, I want to play this one clip, right? Because there was this one old guy who clearly has never been around teens or teens of color for that matter, who just got out of school because that's an energy. Look as a millennial, I'm like, no, these kids are gonna fucking roast me. If I say some shit, I don't even want to make eye contact. Like I'm like, no, these kids are going to fucking roast me if I say some shit. I don't even want to make eye contact. I'm not ready for their witticisms. This guy fucking taunted them to throw an egg. And guess what? The kids did. They obliged.

Here, I'll play the audio just so you can see just the intensity of this just fantastic moment. In disbelief that these kids have rocked them with an egg. Egg hell! Egg hell! Look, he gets out thinking, what you gonna do 70 teenagers and he gets back in his mud-soaked truck and then he's like you're the coward so did you hear the laughter of those children the Oh, yeah. The laughter of like, I don't respect you or anything. Oh, yeah. You feel it in your soul.

100%. That kind of laughter. And the responses from the truckers, it really reveals this savior behavior mentality that they're stuck in. Yeah, victimization. This was our 9-11. No, 100%. They called the police. they called the police they called the police you know they they there's this uh image that you pulled of them like on tele talking about it on uh what is it on

on i think it's from their telegram channel telegram okay damn they somebody needs to tell them they'll be allowed back on twitter soon but they're saying how was it that the flats of eggs just happened to be or how convenient was it that the flats of eggs just happened to be, or how convenient was it that the flats of eggs just happened to be there? Like they think there is a conspiracy that involves people laying out flats of eggs. It's the 2020 uprising.

It's like, what are those bricks doing there type shit? Yeah, except it was. Except that one seemed a little bit more, but I'm like, there's not an active construction construction site here it looks like you left a lot of play toys for angry people to fuck with yeah and that's that is the nerf of like things that if anyone was doing that they were trying to protect you from getting the shit kicked out of you by like giving them something more fun to throw at you that would just like ruin your fucking paint job well you got off easy with those eggs this is berkeley you could get throw a wayward kombucha bottle and those are not easy to catch exactly what if somebody hits you with their

hydro flask that's a fucking brick right there and you're not really going into like oakland oakland you're lucky you're on the border of Berkeley. Okay. But yeah, it's just like the other things that we're saying that people were saying like, can't we put these people like and send them off to China? Like send these leftists off to China. This boils my blood that these people aren't worth even being saved. It's a shame that they hold normal Californians hostage to this culture. These people are literally insane.

Some should be charged with assault, but the lame DAs wouldn't do anything anyway. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Nobody asked you to come here. We're doing fine. These strange people who don't like people driving down their streets with massive trucks blaring their horns at all hours and saying the fuck you basically to you.

Yeah. They didn't like that. Yeah. Saying that we don't think you should be able to, you know, have what you want or have bodily autonomy. That's yeah. What is wrong with those people?

I don't know. And again, this is like, they said they called the cops and the cops said, we don't give it. They're like, all right, deal with it. Right.

They basically were like, we're not coming out there. You're not supposed to be there. Yeah. Right. They're like, I'm sorry. You do know about our rep? Even like we barely go out for anything. Right.

So we want to help you right now. No, we're good. We've been claiming we were defunded since before 2020. I'm sorry, we were defunded. Can we're gonna come help but we're the trucker convoy man man cuts both ways that's the shitty part you know what i mean so eat them eggs eat them up it is just that same shit that you see though like where um like during early part of the trump administration with liberals being like we just need to go to red uh states and like tell people the truth about trump like it's it's just a you know a function of these like algorithmically generated social

media bubbles where they think everybody agrees with them except for uh the person directly in front of them throwing an egg at their face because they fucking suck or if you're that interested in changing hearts and minds you can go about it in a way that puts a little more thought than being like i will invade their physical space and scream right and because it's funny because even like most people who are progressive liberal whatever they'll look at an area and be like i don't know if i need to be over there you know what i mean but like these people are so hopped up on their like American exceptionalism. They really think they're going to pull up to like the Berkeley, Oakland border area and like,

or just anywhere in California that's like a very blue community and think that suddenly that people aren't going to respond a certain way. At the very least, no one's going to agree with you. Now what happens beyond that terms and conditions apply to the area it's like a political missionary it seems like yeah like ain't nobody wants you here right well we don't open the door for the damn seventh day of venice or jehovah witnesses or whoever who and they're my neighbors exactly it makes you think we want to hear you driving down the street honking makes you think you we want to hear you

driving down the street honking your horn and then i want to hear you out yeah it has big energy of like the like that one christian missionary who's like this this tribe has never been contacted by outside cultures and this guy's like this is a perfect opportunity for christ's salvation uh cut to that person has vanished and was never seen again. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's like that's you at a certain point you have to you got to get out of your own headspace and actually be like, what does this look like to someone else?

But again, that's a that's a bridge too far for people who are already like, you know, caught up in this. Or when you ignore the warning shots. Right. Like they always will send you a warning shot. Didn't those people like shoot an arrow through his Bible the day before yeah right something wild like that and then he's like actually i'll bring another bible okay okay maybe they didn't like the color of that one i'll bring

my saint james edition okay i get it you didn't like a protestant bible okay i got the message loud and clear we don't need another great schism happening between us folks am i right anyway i brought the message bible this time right exactly uh christ christ gospel for kids all right let's take another quick break we'll come right back and talk about uh the american addiction to growth. Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high-control groups and interview dancers, church members, and others whose lives and careers have been impacted, just like mine.

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I mean, we mentioned that it failed in record time. The mainstream sort of digested version of this story seems to be like they fucked up. They didn't know what they were doing. This was a catastrophic failure, which I mean, I think all those things are true. But the thing that seems the most noteworthy to me about it is how quickly they gave up on this.

Like it was weeks later, they gave up on this like it was it was weeks later um you know into their their brilliant plan to just stick a plus sign next to your corporate name and make a streaming service which seems to be like well it worked for other people so apple did it let's give that a shot did it um so this was a i thought it was an app but it's a streaming service it's like a Netflix but they thought that they had enough see Maggie that's how good the marketing was you didn't even know what the fuck it was it was a straight up

streaming service they just paywalled a bunch of content that nobody wanted that no one wanted it lasted less than a sixth of Quibi's time on this earth oh come on jack don't evoke don't don't don't don't bring quibi's name in vain they'd already spent between 100 and 300 million dollars on the failed project i'm guessing towards the 300 side of that equations those are probably self um self-reported numbers uh but yeah i mean they

they tried they tried to bring a bunch of original shows and movies uh hired hundreds of people many of whom will now be laid off presumably um including chris wallace who they brought over from fox news uh ava longoria former nprie Cornish, whose show hadn't even debuted yet. Casey Hunt. Remember Casey Hunt? She was like, I'm leaving MSNBC for a very fantastic opportunity at CNN+. Yeah. And that was like, oh, Casey.

I mean, this is not abnormal in the world of television, but they just straight up copied Fox News' format. What do you mean? So Fox has the... What's Fox's streaming thing? It's not Fox Plus. It's like... Fox Nation, whatever.

Fox Nation streaming of freedom. No need to get the name accurate, but yeah, it's whatever their thing is. Streaming freedom. So they had Dana Perino's book club uh which is something that we all want to you know find out what absolutely what are they reading uh but uh so they brought jake tapper's book club um and yeah, so they shut it down so quickly. I think it's almost definitely because it was conceived by Jeff Zucker, who was just forced to resign. And it just feels like as much as, yeah, it's fun to point and laugh at CNN. It sucks that all these people lost their job.

uh and it's also just a yet another example of a bunch of people losing their job because of a decision made by someone who's probably like conservatively 30 layers of executives removed from the people who are actually losing their jobs um and it's also you know you you can't just be the thing you are in modern capitalism because Wall Street is just like, well, that's boring, so you won't show growth, and we got to see the line go up. And yeah, it's just... And so they convince you to constantly be trying to grow and be something that you are not in a lot of cases.

Yeah, that greed is really transparent here. It's just like, we're not going to actually put a thought into this. It's more, it sounds like this boardroom thing of like, well, we need to keep up. Like what's our product that we can get to market to open up another revenue stream without actually thinking of how that's going to be received.

You're just basically doing this thing like, well, people like jake tapper what if they had to pay six bucks a month to hear about a fucking book he didn't even read right i don't people don't give a fuck enough about jake tapper to do that like a lot of this shit that they put behind a paywall like and we talk about this too just in our experiences in digital media whether it's podcasting or video at a basic level most people who are making the content know, is somebody going to overcome a paywall to come get this content? Right. Most of the time, not.

Unless you have something really good. See, what I think is this CNN Plus was somebody's pet project because they had, maybe it's somebody's kid or whoever who's like, yo, what CNN really needs to do is get into like political sitcoms or left-leaning sitcoms there need to be some kind of a political show that people watch and it'd be hilarious they'll make fun of trump every app like exactly their idea was we need this streaming platform there have all these little shows and stuff that are like cnn but then there are going to be all of these new hard-hitting dramas and comedies that are politically leaned

and then they quickly found out that people would rather saw their toes off than watch such a thing well i mean if only they even put the thought into being like what about content they're like what about more news that anyone can get for free if they just wanted to but we just call it jake tapper's you know sock hop book report yeah yeah check out wolf blitzers favorite recipes it's like bro i don't give a fuck like even like when you look at like patreon when a when a show starts on patreon it's always like very slow steady growth like that's something that yeah i think they they i don't know they they can't get their mind around like that this is the sort of thing that doesn't happen on wall street's like timeline right but um you know this is the sort of project that like i i what when i my first uh media job was the abc news and like it was 2004

and they were like starting something called like abc news go that was basically this you know like their plus thing that was like uh you know a digital online version of whatever they were putting on TV. And it was a failure, but it was also like where the people who are now on the air, like got their start. And it's like, you take the pieces of this thing that doesn't work and you like build it into something else.

But in, in this case, because it's a CEO and because like when, you know, the CEO's primary like feedback is coming from wall street it's just like this narrative that's happening at the top that has nothing to do with the reality of what it's like to work there and the product that's being created um just gets spun off and like causes them to make these like big flashy decisions to

like create headlines it's like dude you just like made your whole company look like shit like what are you doing yeah hey man that that growth is addiction because it's just like you know i don't know if we'll get to this story but in general it at a certain point the solution is always just like, well, we need to spend more money than we ever have before to either differentiate, to be like, just so you know, we're spending way more money than we should be on a fucking hour piece of content over here. So maybe that'll be a draw without kind of getting to the basics of what makes people interested in a media platform or content. It's like, are you creating something that is interesting to someone? Don't get into like, well, how much are they spending? And who are the people involved? Are the names big enough? Just in general. But again, I think because so

much of the thinking is around marketing and again, the growth, that there can't be these moments where you have you know sort of laser guided victories we're like how about something like this how about we tell these stories rather than how many names can we attach together and then maybe put a price tag on it and see i don't know maybe we can trick some people into buying it yeah when i was a cracked like you know at a time when it was like you 10 people, when we went from five to 10 people, our traffic was shooting up. And that was bad because it got the attention of people who had higher pay grades and were like, how do we 10 do we 10x this man how do we uh how do we turn

turn cracked into the next facebook and it's like we fucking don't and that's a bad idea sir at that point like the you know it was like part of our part-time job became saying no to bad ideas from above because like that's that's what you have to do to stave that sort of shit off like that's just but that is that is always the immediate instinct because they're trying to it's not enough to have like a moderate success they're trying to have a you know a thing that is going to make them look like geniuses i guess right um it's just an odd you know we just always think it has to be growth has to be growth even if you like conceptualize all of this growth it's like you know there's not more space on earth right on the planet

so like are you expecting this shit like just to have earth have a bunch of shit jutting off of it because everything has to be growing at a certain point? You reach the limits of what can happen, and it collapses. That's just the nature of it. But we see this play out over and over and over again. And I think that's the terrible habit that it's hard to break as a society, apparently. Fly too close to the sun. Everyone does. No one ever thinks that they're the straw that's gonna break it right right i mean somebody's has got to right exactly and they're like no we can do this like

oh you want to be facebook and then have you know mark zuckerberg like lose a bunch of valuation because like the metaverse is everything and people like okay sir uh we're good on that but there are so few things that are just right sized and are like yeah we're gonna actually stay right sized and we're gonna you know like south park i feel like is one of those examples where by having a production like process that is in a place that has nothing to do with like any executives and by turning it in like an hour before it goes on the air like that's the way they've protected it for so long but like everything else gets fucking ruined uh in one way or another you know yeah and yeah i mean i don't like in japan right culturally everything there's a lot of emphasis on just doing something right

and just doing that over and over again. That's why the most businesses that are over 100 years old exist in Japan because this like growth isn't the main driver for like, you know, like a mom and shop business. Like we make these biscuits and we've been doing it for a hundred years and we just want to make sure these biscuits they're lit you know so when you come the biscuits are on point and that's enough to you know support the family our family has prospered but we're not trying to expand into multiple cities or whatever we do this thing really good here and that's giving us a life sounds like a loser mentality to me miles yeah it's loser shit. Yeah, man.

I want you to check the books real quick. Who won World War II? Okay. I'm like, yo, bro, that's kind of fucked up. But... Like, the whole story about Netflix being like, Netflix is fucked is because they didn't grow for like one quarter,

which makes sense because they're spending like they're growing, right? But like, that is the idea. It's just perpetual, constant growth. And the problem that Netflix hit is that other than competition, they also ran out of people on Earth, which is like, well, yeah, that's a problem. So us pulling out of Russia did end up actually having an effect on the number because we cut off an entire market.

And now we're like scrambling because it's just and I was reading a story about how a lot of the people who work at Netflix are demoralized. Like it's bad for people to work in a place like that when you're kind of watching a runaway train and be like, they're not thinking about anything. I don't think they're just like, what's the next big thing? What's like they're just like what's the next big thing what's the next big thing what's the next big thing and this happened to digital video because digital video ended up becoming like let's shoot tv quality shit for youtube right i'm like but the revenues aren't there for the budgets like this yeah that's why i like podcasting this shit is not suddenly going to be in dolby atmos and like like we're fucking up because we're like damn we took a big old swing on 9d audio like nah use the same fucking mics and shit over and over and you just gotta you know just bring it yeah the content you don't need fucking bells and whistles and the

shit that like actually succeeds is like squid game which costs two million dollars an episode meanwhile like the new amazonced Lord of the Rings show is going to cost $58 million per episode. Oh my God, that's 58? I thought the Game of Thrones numbers were high. I didn't know it was 58. Yeah, Game of Thrones prequel, which I don't know, man. I'm not feeling great about that,

but that's going to cost merely $20 million per episode. Lord of the Rings, which to me looked like a bunch of other... And the Lord of the Rings heads got mad at me for saying this, but that money doesn't show up on screen in a way that

is like... It's not like Avatar where all of a sudden it's like, wait, why is my television in three dimensions it's like right yo that just looks like a lot of other like really uh high quality fantasy shit um but they're paying 58 million dollars per episode um the new season of stranger things cost 30 million dollars per episode so you know they're i don't know how much it costs to cgi a few interdimensional monsters and cans of new coke into uh into a cabin in vermont but they're right they're testing the limits of that shit um but yeah i don't know and then bridgerton

like huge hit and cost nine million dollars per episode which still seems like a lot but it looked like looked like a million bucks um so yeah look hey little a good story and some diversity yeah a lot easier than spending fucking tens of millions of dollars to be like man how we make that person's ears look more pointy yeah come on now and and i don't and the thing is i love the genre too but i think it's just i think the part the only reason i'm like kind of animated about it all is because you see this again this pattern go like people are taking big swings where you don't need to take as big of a swing like you can you could probably get these shows done for certain amounts of money but then you bring into the other aspects of this like streaming and probably the money they're saving by not having

to honor certain union agreements because it's streaming especially on the back end and shit like that so it can be that's what i'm like that's a lot of money for a lot of people to not maybe be paid the same that they would be if this were a real like tv or film production very yeah i mean we're talking about it in media because that's an industry we're pretty familiar with but like this is the entire u.s economy is especially like the ones that are traded publicly so it's every everything you have to show a growth story like every three months which right seems uh you know not not like a a healthy way to i mean it's it's almost like if marx wrote a satire of what the future would look like it's like everyone is literally

addicted to growth and has to like prove that they're growing uh to a bunch of people who are like i don't i don't think they're growing enough like yeah yeah they're like but it makes 10 million dollars a year like clockwork right yeah well you can't get to an 11 you can't get to 11 next year and then maybe 12 the year after we're not even trying though how do we 10x that how do we 10x this i make i make like corrective posture braces for kids. Yeah. How do we grow that market? I've been more kids who need spinal injuries? Okay, thank you. Now we're talking.

Exactly. So let's introduce a bill. Let's introduce a bill that bans car seats for kids. They'll be more injured and they'll need more braces. We're 10Xing this shit. kids they'll be more injured and they'll need more braces we're 10xing this shit or you know on another path we could take is we start encouraging hacky sacking on less flat surfaces and we just see where it takes us you know we're putting you let a lot of dogs go loose and then you just see which one takes you to the promised land.

I can tell you that much. If I was wearing a child's back brace, I would have never sprained or hurt my foot playing hacky sack. You also wouldn't have made 20 people's day by the shit you were doing with that hacky sack. Exactly. You give some, you take some. But also, would you be willing to say that

in a film's testimonial for our product? If possible. Well, Maggie, it's such a pleasure, as always, having you. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? So I am on all of the socials and at Maggie Mae, ha ha, Mae is spelled M-A-Y-E. Yeah, it is. Ha ha is spelled normally-A-Y-E. Yeah, it is. Ha-ha spelled normally. Okay.

Ha-ha. And is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying? Yes. Yes. Let's see. The Senator Mallory McMorrow clapback that she did. Oh, yeah. Against the person who called her michigan yes the one who uh

she disagreed with something so her opponent was like okay well she's a groomer which is like i really hate how a lot of people have just adopted that word to like if you agree with them in any way it's because you're probably a groomer so like overnight this person's uh this woman's uh opponent had sent out a fundraising email about how she was clearly a groomer because she doesn't believe the same that we do and so oh man senator mcmorrow took the full strength of her white woman privilege and just let she was like, I am a straight, cis, Christian white woman. And I'm not about to sit here and let us. And I was just like, oh, like she was like, you can't go around and tell people that they can't do this and they can't do that.

And you can't do this and you can't just go and like label people for thinking differently than you think. And I loved it so much because I hate that whole idea that you can just throw around that kind of a thing because it hurts. And as she was calling out her, you know, the other state senator who was trying to fundraise off that, he's like, you can't just do that

and put Christian in your bio and then hide behind that. And then she's like, let me define Christianity for you. And then talked about her, you know, her actual idea christianity which is about being in service to people who are less fortunate um but yeah it is a it's it's a really there's been a lot of really fantastic you know uh speeches given from people across all the states that have

these fucked up you know homophobic bills popping up or they're pleading with people to just say like hey we are human. Also, even if you are not, uh, you know, homosexual, maybe you're not,

you don't know anybody who's trans. We can't just suddenly like inflict all this kind of damage on people. Cause it's obscure to you. Um, but yeah, also you got a show, you got any live shows coming up? You got it.

Where can people see you? Yes. Um, on May 2nd, I'm going to be doing the netflix is a joke festival uh i'm going to yeah i'm going to be doing seth rogan's table read of friday oh amazing wow do you know who you're gonna play uh somebody in the ensemble okay okay we'll keep that you know tbd um wait where is that happening in la

yeah it's at the harvard bowl right orpheum oh oh so it's is it all over like there's a ton of stuff happening it's it's all oh that makes sense because i see so many netflix is a joke things happening and i'm like everywhere they're everywhere they're i know they're a dynasty they're at like the hollywood bowl yeah they got yeah they're everywhere all right know they're at Dynasty. They're at like... The Hollywood Bowl. Yeah, they got it. Yeah, they're everywhere. Alright, y'all. We'll check Maggie out. And that sounds amazing. A Seth Rogen Friday table read with other fantastic comedians.

Hell excited. I'm just trying to picture Seth Rogen playing the Chris Tucker character. He's smoking? I hope that happens. You gotta knock the fuck out. Chris Tucker character. He's smoky? You gotta knock the fuck out. It's sick of weed.

Miles, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Good morning, Miss Parker. I'm gonna fuck Miss Parker. Oh, yeah. She's blacker than a motherfucker, too. I'm sorry. I'm thinking of all these lines that Chris Smoky said.

I'm sorry. You can find me at MilesOfGrey on Twitter and Instagram. Also, check out the other pods. MadBoosties, Jack and I's NBA podcast. Fantastic guest. Fantastic conversation. The playoffs are in full swing. You'll hear all about it. the other pods mad boosties uh jack and i's nba podcast uh fantastic guests fantastic conversation the playoffs are in full swing you're all about it uh as well as some pain from jack also uh the other podcast 420 day fiancee uh with sophia alexandra stopped by for that one um some tweets i like first one is uh i mean look this is gonna hurt a little bit it's referencing ben simmons but this

is from nba slime at terry franconia tweeted tiger woods nearly lost his leg in his life and has had several back surgeries and even he played sooner than ben simmons and that is some that is that's that's heavy that's heavy to think about uh and then sarah lazarus at sarah c lazarus tweeted uh do i love that Elon Musk owns Twitter? No. But do I respect him as a person? No. But do I think he's smarter than a box of rocks?

No. Forget where I was going with this one. There we go. All right. Tweet I've been enjoying. Well, first of all, I enjoyed a tweet from Jamie Loftus. We won a Webby this morning.

So incredible, well-deserved Lolita podcast. Yeah. And I heart holding it down, both the winner and the People's Voice winner. So shout out to Jamie. Shout out to the folks who made the mlk tapes which we talked about on this this very podcast good show um i enjoyed a tweet from ellie cremendall who tweeted uh you should be able to order a chocolate chip cookie medium rare that is true um and then shelby Wolstein, I really identified with this. I don't simply go through airport security.

I have a goal. I want everyone in line to be blown away by my efficiency. I want to be celebrated as I push my belongings across the table. I want TSA to offer me a job. I'll decline. I want people talking about me at their gate. Glory. I'll decline.

I want people talking about me at their gate. Glory. I always, just the efficiency that I strive for going through TSA is never matched by my actions, but you know. Do you ever prep ahead of time? Yeah. You're like, oh, I'm not tying my shoes. I'm wearing slip-ons. Yeah.

And then you have kids and it's all over. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Anyways, you can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes.

Footnotes. Where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. what song do we think people might enjoy today uh we are going to go a track from mansour brown i've played mansour brown before one of just a really fantastic like guitarist jazz guitarist from the uk um and this is a track called wait where is it the title Want You from the album Heiwa which means peace in Japanese

so yeah check out Mansur Brown and a lot of stuff that Mansur Brown does anything with Mansur Brown and Yusuf Dez who's a drummer is usually a really fantastic live performance so if you're really into technical drumming and jazz guitar check that out too

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