The Daily Zeitgeist - Trump Ain’t Goin To Jail, Peter Thiel’s Mutant Olympics 02.02.24

Episode Date: February 2, 2024

In episode 1618, Jack and Miles are joined by host of The Puzzler, A.J. Jacobs, to discuss… MOMMMMM IS TRUMP GONNA GO TO JAIL? Peter Thiel with another BANGER IDEA - Olympics with PEDs, Larry David Attacked Elmo On Live TV and more! MOMMMMM IS TRUMP GONNA GO TO JAIL? Trump spent more than he took in during 2023 Donald Trump Suffers Polling Blow Among Independents Trump Risks Losing More Than Half of Swing-State Voters If Found Guilty Peter Thiel with another BANGER IDEA - Olympics with PEDs Larry David Attacked Elmo On Live TV Larry David attacks Elmo on live TV (CLIP) ‘Today’ show hosts look on in horror as Larry David beats ‘the s–t’ out of Elmo: ‘Mr. Larry, Elmo liked you before’ LISTEN: Everything's Beautiful by Hiatus KaiyoteSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It is Friday, February 2nd, 2024. 2-2-2-4. Yep. Oh boy, you get ready because it's National Groundhog Day. It's National Bubblegum Day. Oh shit, it's Groundhog Day. Oh, is that what that means?

National Groundhog Day. I'm like, for groundhogs rather than, it's Groundhog Day. National Heavenly Hash Day, which is not something that I would use to prevent my dreams, but actually a wonderful chocolate and marshmallow confection. It looks like National Tater Tot Day.

And also, shout out to Elmo. But for any other people today, I better not be catching you wearing that flute because it's National Wear Red Day. One of my best friends from growing up just hit, like I don't usually do on the ground reporting on this podcast. like I don't usually do on the ground reporting on this podcast, but he hit me up and said that he has pretty good data suggesting that the groundhog thing is a myth and that whether or not the groundhog sees this shadow doesn't change whether there's two more weeks of winter. Nah, come on. That's not true.

It does. I mean, that's Chris, man. He's usually a pretty reliable source. So I don't know. I mean, that's Chris, man. He's usually a pretty reliable source, so I don't know. Remains to be seen. I fucking hate Chris, then. Because that just completely, that upends my whole understanding of the fucking planet. That's, I don't,

I'm not a flat earther. I am a groundhog earther, though. I do, this is the one anti-scientific belief that I hold, and everything else revolves around that, unfortunately. My name's Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Elmo Shot. Big Bird Dropped. Wet T-shirt contest pop.

Oh, no. Sesame Street's dark now, bro. That is courtesy of Rowdy Drummer on the Discord. Yeah, things have gotten bleak in the world of Sesame Street as we've just asked the innocent question, who between Elmo and Big Bird would survive a fight to the death? Just very innocent, straightforward question that everyone's taken to a really dark place.

It's activated. I don't know what's wrong with you guys. The listener. Shout out Zyke Gang because the things you're sending me and the AKs are wonderful. Rip his throat out. Yeah. Stomp his shit down. Oh, wow.

All right, man. I'm like, no, I agree. I agree. No, no. It's totally our fault. I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Miles Gray. You better run before I count up to three.

Don't want this monster smoke here up on Sesame. I'll kick you. I'll beat you. I'll rearrange your wings. So beat it. Get your beak out of my face. Just beat it. Beat it.

Beat it. Beat it. Elmo's two feet tall and heated. Your corny ass can't even take flight. I'll snap your legs and then turn out your lice just beat it okay so i mean scouting on the fucking discord with the gifts too with the fucking the the most intense knife fight we've ever seen in music video history from the beat it video yeah that's more like a west side story kind of choreographed dance with just light hands chained

together yeah knife fight is that a thing that actually happened like was that i bet it happened a side story kind of choreographed dance with just light. Hands chained together. Yeah. Knife fight. Is that a thing that actually happened? Like, was that a thing that happened after that? Right. Like let's bound our arms and knife fight.

Wouldn't you just stab the dude's arm a bunch? Cause you're like, what's up? What's up? What's up? What's right. Yeah. That's what you would think. But they,

anyway, wasn't that the other thing that i always heard about that was that they were actual like gangsters that they got like actual gangsters so my dad used to used to work for michael jackson as his photographer and he the last gig that he worked was on the set of beat it and they had straight up crips on that set and like my dad has a whole he took a bunch of pictures of the extras. One of the most gangster fucking photos. Are these dudes who are on the beat. It's set like wearing like leather fucking cowboy hats and trench.

It was a different time. A different. That is a different time. Yeah. That's wild. The leather cowboy hats was like the tough shit. I got it. If you see this picture, you're going to be like, who the fuck are these people?

Those are the gangsters that were on the beat. It's a. I love the idea. Like, that's what makes me love the idea that they're actual gangsters because then they ask them to do the most west side story ass thing in the video all right and now you're gonna just have a fight to the death but it's really about you know dancing and expressing yourself and they nail it like it really feels like uh well choreographed well there was the one dude who is from new york undercover uh like who was in that video too but like they were mostly just doing like they gangsters don't dance the real gangsters were in the background they were they were text filling out straight up texture yeah yeah miles we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a journalist

we've had new york times best-selling authors on before this guy's written for new york times best-selling books he's a podcast host now whose new show is the puzzler which is a daily wait a second this guy's coming for our fucking... Wait, what? Daily? Serves up fresh puzzles daily? No. All right. I mean... We're cannibalizing our own audience right now. Yeah.

We'll allow it. Please welcome to the show the brilliant, the talented, the puzzling... AJ Jacobs! AJ! Thank you. Thank you. Delighted to be here. And we are daily, but we're like eight minutes long. So I don't think we're much competition.

We don't even start talking about anything for eight minutes. We're just bullshit. Can I add to that bullshit with one of my favorite crazy Sesame Street fact? Yes. Which is, I looked up the history, for some reason it was some project, the history of Oscar the Grouch. And they introduced him, I think, in the 70s because they wanted some socioeconomic diversity. They felt that they wanted someone more impoverished. So they put him in a garbage can. That is just, to me, the craziest decision.

Like this is, here can you can relate to this he's in a garbage can yeah hey poor kids this is you exactly you live in a steel trash can you smell like shit anyway something like that just for more representation you make christmas ornaments out of fish skeletons poor kid i we get it we know how you are holy shit yeah i feel like that depiction of oscar the grouch as a child made me believe that it was possible to live in a garbage can you know what i mean that like well right if things are bad i guess that that could be a place that you might dwell yeah there you go it's it's comforting Or good. Things are good or bad. Yeah. Depends on your point of view. AJ, your show has what's been described as a Batman villain-ass name.

Have you considered taking a major city hostage using your puzzles or maybe a mayor or something to confuse the police and rob banks? Interesting. No, I haven't. Not until now. All right. I'm just putting it out there. I know that, yeah, podcasts need some monetization. So thank you. Yeah. It's a great idea. Yeah.

Pull the city of millions hostage. Yeah. I love the revenue. The puzzler. Come on. That's why you guys are so good. Yeah. That's why you've been around for so long.

That's right. We still haven't followed through with our plan to take an entire metropolitan area hostage. But, you know. The number of hostages who are just waiting around for the Daily Zeitgeist. Anyways, AJ, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about. Every once in a while, we like to check in with this Trump guy. You know, this guy's always in the news.

Things not going so great for him in the current news cycle. So we'll check in about that. Peter Thiel is, is bringing a banger idea. That's been kicked around by people like him for a while, but the idea of Olympics with PEDs, like just, you know,

this is the, the display of our greatest, like scientific advances. Look what we made in the lab, folks. Larry David attacked Elmo on live TV. We've got to cover that. So we have new data on the question of Big Bird v. Elmo. All of that, plenty more.

But first, AJ, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history i uh my favorite recent search was for the word spraint s-p-r-a-i-n-t which i had not heard of but it has its own wikipedia page and it is uh otter dung the the feces of the little cute water mammal otter. And I saw it because I was doing, we create puzzles for our guests, like you will get your own special puzzles. And this puzzle involved an otter. And I looked at their Wikipedia page and there was a link to Sprint. And yeah, it's the feces of otters honors but it's apparently like very special feces that

smells like what did they say freshly mown hay freshly really wow yeah i mean that is like sometimes you'll smell some horse shit that smells good actually like it actually smells good sometimes i smell a horse shit that like, that smells like oatmeal and it doesn't smell that bad. Sometimes I smell horseshit that smells like oatmeal. Sprint should actually be the past tense of sprint. There you go. Or sprained. I thought that was kind of like slang for

I sprained my ankle. Oh yeah, and taint. It reminded me of taint. Same general area. Exactly. So I love that. The sides me of taint. Same general area. Exactly. So I love that. The sides of the taint, the spraint. Just spray out from the taint and you get the spraint. I'm also like, it does seem special because I've never seen images of animal feces, but with so many people holding it in their bare hand.

Yeah, like it's a baby bird. You know what I mean, like, Ooh, I got a little sprint here for y'all. Check this out. They're holding the sprint. Like it's a baby bird.

Like that. Just a delicacy that they're going to tuck into. Yeah. Smelling. Is there, they're getting the essence, right? Are there any uses for it outside of just holding it?

I did not see that. That. Yeah. I think that's yeah, if you ever have me back on, I will do far more research on Sprint. Well, I'm definitely going to grab a handful of their shit. Yeah, I'm going to grab a handful of their shit.

Just to freak out. Their shit smells like freshly mown hay. Yeah, right. Just guys, get in close. AJ, what's something you think is overrated? All right. For this one, I decided to do the biggest argument I've had in my family in the last week, which was I was saying how much I enjoy watching movies on double speed.

And my wife and kids were just furious. So my overrated is watching movies at regular speed. And because, you know, I wanted to see Flowers of the Killer Moon, but I just did not want to spend four hours doing that. So I rented it on YouTube and you can put it on double speed. And it was fantastic. The way it was meant to be seen. By a white man at double speed. And it was fantastic. The way it was meant to be seen. By a white man at double speed. On my iPhone.

Yeah. On the toilet. Yes, I'm sorry. I know. And the experience was like. Well, I still felt emotions. I just felt them faster. I just, you know.

They're just flying at you. My argument is I still felt emotions. I just felt them faster. I just, you know, I mean, my argument is I'm a writer and I don't, I'm not going in and yelling at people who skim my books or say, yeah, I'm like, do what you want. Here's my book. Do what you want. Right, right, right. But yeah, I know that my filmmakers are on my family's side that this is a terrible thing. But I mean, no offense,

I listen to you on double speed. Yeah. And I enjoy it. Why not? I mean, I think it's, I do that with like, I watch a lot of reality TV and sometimes I can get through it faster

by watching it at one and a half X speed. Like, because there's so much dramatic pausing that when you actually condense the information down, you're like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, great. I got the gist of that inane content pretty quickly. Oh yeah. No, if you cut out the repeats and then say, and then let's remember what happened

before the commercial break. Like, yeah, there's literally like eight minutes. Ten minutes of actual new stuff. Right. That's right. That's that's I've never tried to watch a movie at 2x speed. I've listened to books at 2x speed and some of them I'm like, you know, flying through getting everything. And sometimes it's like too dense.

And I just do not like I'm i'm 30 minutes in and i'm like i don't know what the fuck just happened here like right well there are some shows and movies definitely you don't like veep i remember i tried to watch that at double speed and i was like what the hell is going on because they are so fast and witty but uh but yeah like a slow movie that's uh you know got lots of nature shots, like you mentioned. I can deal with that. That's probably some kind of like speed comprehension test is to like take like a Tina Fey written show or IP and watch that as like 3x speed to be like, did you catch all that? That's how she picks her writers.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Watch this episode of 30 Rock. 3x speed. and give me a summation yeah yeah terence malik 2x speed like probably just looks like a regular like an 80s movie exactly like oh this is this is normal well sometimes i think when i listen to npr normal speed i mean double speed it just sounds like normal talking people talking yeah yeah they're not like so they're they're there's not the pauses and the yeah that makes sense to me older movies i will say incredibly slow yeah just long periods with people being like all right we've got to head to

the store to like meet up for this package drop. And then watch them stand up from that table, walk to the car, get in the car, drive to the store. It's like, it's realistic. Then they're like, wait, hold on. I forgot my wallet. Okay, I'll turn around. Hey, make sure you hang your coat up before you go inside. I will.

There are shots in The Godfather of somebody just walking down a hallway for long periods. Great movie. And maybe at the time, people needed that breather or something, but it's just like, man, I don't know. And even old comedies, it's hilarious. I remember watching the Marx Brothers, and

they're doing their antic stuff, which is, it's not that antic compared to what happens now. But then they'll do a five minute harp solo. Like Harpo will come out and actually play the harp for five minutes in a comedy movie. And you're like, what the hell is going on? Well, I mean, that legacy kind of lived on in our 80s and 90s films where like some band inexplicably had a full-on song performance in the middle of a film when you're like what the fuck like why did they do the blues brothers is i mean i've always said

that john belushi is like a little bit puzzling to me because i think because he like chris farley's was my favorite like comedic figure growing up and his whole shtick was like kind of an evolutionary Belushi but yeah the Blues Brothers like when they just like break into long moments of them doing like white guy blues for you know I'm just like who is this

for other than you guys other than the performers who made this movie blame the cocaine man you don't be fucking sick dude and then we do like a harmonica but everybody fucking loves that shit guys other than the performers who made this movie blame the cocaine man blame the cocaine you don't be fucking sick dude and then we do like a harmonica but everybody fucking loves that shit like people i know so many people who are like oh have you seen the blues brothers though oh you like comedy who are you hanging around a bunch of cops yeah it's cops it's mostly cops the cops

that i play cards with what what aj is something you think is underrated? Well, this one, I'm going to go a little philosophical because a couple of days ago, I did a book event where I interviewed the author of a book called Uncertain or Uncertainty. Ironically, I'm uncertain about the title. That's pretty funny. But it was all about how, yeah, we've got to stop being so certain. And I just would love to see in a debate, like if someone asks Joe Biden something and he says, you know what? I'm not sure. I'm going to have to think about that. I'll get back to you.

I just feel that level of humility would be good for our society. I just feel that level of humility would be good for our society. Because there's also that phrase, deep-seated beliefs. That's like, oh, I have one deep-seated belief, which is don't be an asshole. Try to reduce suffering everywhere and increase happiness. Other than that, everything is shallow-seated. Shallow-seated? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I'm open to evidence. Blown away in the wind. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Yeah, mine is that, obviously, that if a groundhog sees it shallow-seated. That is my one belief. Because everything else-

Understood. That one is un-fucking-shakeable. Yeah. That makes sense. It's so deep, it's in the Earth's core. Hey, Chris, we're going to need better sourcing on this, man. Yeah, don't give me some science shit, because they're all in on the fucking hoax, man. Oh, yeah. Let me hear from a groundhog. I want to hear straight from the source.

Punxsutawney, Phil. The book looks like it's called Uncertain, the Wisdom and Wonder of Being Unsure by Maggie Jackson. Is that the one? Exactly. The sad part, though, about Biden doing that is that everyone would immediately go, look how fucking serious. Exactly. That is the problem. I'm not sure about that. Ah, you see? I'm actually not sure.

Could I get back to you after I consult with my staff? Get back to us? What do you mean? When you go to your hospital? That would not be a good strategy, I suppose, for being elected. That would not be a good strategy, I suppose, for being elected. But to your point, like, yeah, we are in such a world where everyone must know every single thing about every single thing at every moment that, yeah, we've always tried to say, like, just we got to normalize just saying, like, I don't I don't know. I can look into it, but I don't know. Yeah. And you mustn't know all those things like for, yeah. For the purposes of conversation, like people put a great emphasis on it,

but you don't, you don't need to know that shit. Just, I, yeah, I think I embodied that ethos when I was maybe my sophomore year of college that I knew every single thing about every topic that ever existed at every moment.

Very stressful coincided with probably my most uh severe use of drugs and alcohol there's just so much pressure man i gotta know anything how the fuck am i gonna read all these wikipedia articles like fucking 10 000 show up every goddamn day and that's why uh white houses need like a drug dealer on staff at all times as we learned earlier this week with the Trump White House having just nonstop prescription medication, just whatever, just a Willy Wonka's factory of whatever prescription medication you can imagine. Do you got the one that makes me like float to the top of the Oval Office? Oh, yeah. Fizzy lifting drink? Yeah, one second. Let me get that. All right. Well, let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about

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And we're back. We're so back. back so the headlines have turned less confident that donald trump is going to be the next president it would seem i've seen headlines saying like the polling's bad for him seeing headlines saying there's a lot there's a lot of polling suggesting that if he gets convicted, like, half of his support will dry up. Yeah. Which feels wrong to me. Totally wrong. Stick by your guy.

Double down. Yeah. Oh, he's gonna double down, and yeah, it just feels like this is yet another example of people waiting for the other shoe to drop with him, and then, like, he just uses the other shoe to drop with him and then like he just uses the other shoe to beat us up like that's just every time oh a shoe well surely now that we've seen him try to actually overthrow the government like if that if that doesn't do it like what is a conviction going to do we saw him like do a coup

live on tv like try to do a coup fail be like a sore loser about it on tv and then like nothing it hasn't changed shit yeah i remember when he was president i had every time a new scandal came up i would tweet i had it on like a cut and paste tweet like this is the 4378th straw that's going to break the camel's back that's right and then it never did and then i would put a nine on the end and yeah i mean i think the truest thing he ever said was he could shoot someone on fifth avenue and still be elected i think we're slowly moving towards that. But yeah, like again, like this last week, a lot has happened. We had like the monetary damages from the E.G. and Carol defamation case. That's like 83 million. Potentially we could see a decision about his business and the fines he's facing there, which could be upwards or near 370 million. That could

happen this week. It might happen next week. And then like, yeah, like you say, the polling. So there's like just a few other things that are a lot of people are talking about before we get to the conviction part is for so far he's already spent about 60 million on legal fees this last year and it's all coming from his donors you know what i mean and so there's a there's a reporting about legal for him to take money from donors unfortunately unfortunately it's legal it's like everything's more of like it just raises ethical questions i'm like yeah a lot of things raise ethical questions in our fucking world today and we just like leave it at that it's like well ethically but yeah financially he can just you know, rinsing his supporters for every little penny they have to, you know, pay his fees like like defending himself in court. And so the coffers seem to be emptying. And at the moment, it looks like he's spending more than he is raising. But before you go and put your party hat on and throw your Mueller time mugs in the air, just remember that this guy can raise mountains of cash at will. Like, I mean, even his stupid NFTs where people are buying. So as much as it's like, oh, it's he's outspending the pace

that he can raise. It's just it. I don't think that is that big of a deal. But again, shows just sort of how spread thin he is at the very least, where that money that could be going to the campaign is just going to legal fees. The NFT thing i feel called out by okay like that's i don't have to like his politics to have invested wisely yeah in the nfts like i didn't have to be a big ken griffey jr fan to like you know have his rookie card yeah i guess this was a sound investment okay yeah so you did you invested in the man i am upside down on these aj just so you know just for the record and i'm glad aj is here to see this you brought that up not me this time so i mean you kind of brought it up by being like some people

but here's the other thing. There's plenty of polling that shows Biden is not doing well in key swing states. So it's interesting to see the sort of inverse of that. So to be like, hallelujah, Trump's polling is starting to shift in the wrong direction. A lot of that is showing that independents are much like he's much to Biden, like by six points, like in sort of a generic race. And even like with five people in the race, Biden is still a few points above Trump. And also, like the one thing I think is true is that the gender gap is actually widening when it comes to between Biden and Trump, because obviously the Republicans are running on a campaign slogan of I am the manager of your uterus now. And that isn't quite bringing everybody to under the same tent. But yeah, this feels like the one true thing that like people can stand on,

like numbers being bad with women. It's like, yeah, yeah. Oh, shit. Yeah. They're like, oh, my thought. The problem, I think. Well, first of all, I like oh my thought the problem i think well first of all i like to hear about the money i'm one thing i would love to see is a public defender like if he has to just if you can't afford an attorney one yeah he just burns every bridge in manhattan like over the course of his career every lawyer he's been involved with he is like you know just burned that bridge like right ruined their life so like if he has just burned that bridge, ruined their life. So if he was just like, wait, what do you mean? We're out of attorneys in the whole city of New York?

And public defenders are pretty upstanding people. You know what I mean? That's such thankless work. But they've got it, yeah. Yeah, I know. Could you imagine one of those people? Like meth dealers and then Donald Trump is one of their 600 cases. But the other thing about polling is it makes me very nervous polling because the Trump base is so anti-authoritarian, so wary of establishment that if someone calls and says they're a pollster they're either going to

hang up or they're going to lie or they're going to tell them fuck you so i don't know maybe there's some stealth polling like you can like pretend you're not a pollster and be like isn't our trump great i'm going to vote for him right oh go undercover as one of their kids at the dinner table what do you think dad wait which one are you i'm i'm rick little ricky little ricky little ricky trump come on daddy what do you think uh what's your feeling on where the base is at but i think again the other thing that a lot of people are thinking about and to reference the the muller time coffee mugs the group of people who are like these are the things that will save us not just you know my first stupid investment creating laws that

may actually create you know stricter guidelines for that many people you know still hoping that the courts are going to get trump sass before the election but here's the thing. It is looking pretty unlikely that any of the trials of any kind of substantial consequence will start or end in time for a conviction to happen before election day. That's just that's just the state of things right now, as you look at it, like in Georgia, right? Fannie Willis is currently dealing with a scandal after one of the attorneys representing a defendant laid out these allegations of impropriety in her office, namely that she was like having a relationship with one of the special prosecutors who had like their relevant experience seemed not quite as substantial as it might need to be for something like this and is also being overpaid. And like many legal analysts don't

think that's enough for, you know, to really cast the sort of aspersions you need to be like, OK, well, they need to actually get rid of this prosecution team. But if the judge does decide to do that and another team of prosecutors would have to be brought in, there's a whole other process that would have to take place. And that is just going to cause massive delays. So we're still still unsure what's going on with that. So, we're still unsure what's going on with that. And as of this time, like Fonny Willis hasn't made really much direct comments about this. So, that's one thing that is like wobbling the timeline for the Georgia Rico case, which felt like that one was like every day we were like, woo, maybe this thing might do some shit. My, oh, sorry to interrupt, but my worry is that even a conviction, is that necessarily going to stop them? Because I remember researching this a little. I didn't do it deeply, but Eugene Debs ran for president while in jail. Yes.

And got like, whatever, 4% of the vote. So I don't know if a conviction is the way out i mean that's oh i mean like it would only be yeah i think it would just be one of those things that it would be so unprecedented that it would really cause the republican party to have questions be like how do you if the guy let's you know best case scenario he's convicted and has to go to prison like what happens from there and that just raises it would yeah like Like we have every day is an unprecedented. So it's like, yeah. And I think that's why the overall, it's not, this isn't the basket people need to be putting their eggs in. It's like the judicial route to sort of save us from the mess that

we've made in this country over the last few decades. And then in the Jack Smith DC case, things are slowing down because the higher courts are still trying to determine whether or not Trump has the immunity that he's fantasizing about. And from there, he can appeal that one decision, go to a higher court and then appeal again to the Supreme Court. So that could take very, it could take a really long time. Yeah. Like with that timeline, you can always delay, right? And in court, if you have the money, you can always delay, delay, delay. Yeah. And, but now looking at just sort of like

the questions that need to even be answered now and the courts that are determining those things, like we're just adding more complexity to this. And obviously in Florida, Judge Eileen Cannon is doing what any loyal lackey would do and has slowed the pace down to the point that people are like,

oh, is this thing like completely inert now? So not a lot to necessarily get excited about on the legal front. So, you know, I think just let's not hinge your hopes and dreams on Trump being convicted in time and just prepare for a messy election season. And, you know, that's the only people that are going to be able to do anything are, I don't know, whoever's voting, whoever's like, you know, counting votes and not doing the murky work that the Democrats are doing or some shit. Like, is this going to be a I don't know, it's just going to be we're stuck with this, guys. So get ready. Like, no, no court's going to save us from this.

And to your point about the polling, it doesn't like I feel like a lot of the time there's one of these pollsters who came on like on cnn or msnbc recently and was talking about the difficulty in talking with trump voters because like a lot of the time you don't know like sometimes they'll say what they think you want to hear or sometimes they'll say what they want people to think they are like they're like i'm not a depraved maga person of course i, I'm not going to back that. It's like because I'd rather say that to be like, I'm all in. So sure, it's a very the target is very it's up and down. The polling I'm seeing quoted everywhere is that, you know, Biden's now up six in a national poll, I think. But it's from Quinnipiac, which is the poll that even when I believed in polling like years ago was the one where I was like, oh, well, we throw Quinnipiac out.

Right. Quinnipiac doesn't mean shit like that. That one is always skewed in favor of the Democrats, just like Rasmussen is generally skewed in favor of the Republicans. So I don't know. Doesn't doesn't feel all that reassuring to me. So I don't know. Doesn't doesn't feel all that reassuring to me. And got polling is the opiate of the dum that's what it's i think is so hard difficult for many people too it's like we can be doing so much better and we're just offered like very nominal change if any at all like we're back to like even with the biden campaign just bro, man, remember that one I said four years ago? I'm using it again. Let's do something about it.

I feel like I try to remind myself that there are eight months and that just don't pay attention to the polls now. Maybe the polls will have something to say like a month out. But now it's like paying attention at like the few games of whatever, the NBA or something. Living and dying with opening day for the Dodgers. The first week of baseball season and you're like, oh, fuck, man. Fire the manager.

Yeah. But yeah, it's good. It's like worrying about the weather report three months out. Yeah. Truly, truly, truly, truly. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come Yeah. Truly. Truly. Truly. Truly. All right. Let's take a quick break.

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ready for serious backlash. Listen to Rebel Spirit on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. and we're back we're back and uh on wednesday uh press release came out announcing the formation of the enhanced games i love this this is the best i mean like is he gonna just go full mad like like again not to dr moreau talking about yeah but like batman villain shit like oh like yes we will celebrate true human excellence yeah rise my mutants and throw this javelin 700 meters oh my god but yeah so peter teal and a group of investors believe that the world is dying to see uh athletes on a bunch of PEDs. Yeah.

They're not wrong. Yeah. I would totally watch it. Like, that's not the problem. The problem is moral. Right. And the press release is interesting. It says, quote, just as the ancient Olympics were revived and renovated in 1896 for the Victorian world, the enhanced games is once again renovating the Olympic model for the 21st century. In the

era of accelerating technological and scientific change, the world needs a sporting event that embraces the future, particularly advances in medical science. Yeah. So like we're saying, this would be an athletic competition where the athletes are encouraged to dope, use stimulants and bang steroids in order to answer the question, how many people can we see have simultaneous heart attacks during a 200-meter sprint? And I think the odds are pretty good. And yeah, the rules that are currently being used are dumb

because fairness is for the weak. And also, who gives a fuck if they die? And they've said, hey, hey we get it this can be dangerous they said there will be quote health checks before and after competitions okay what i love is that if this goes like in five years it's just gonna be nuts because you'll have crisper and like you'll have right athletes with like cheetah legs but like you know that are like hinged differently too yeah like why not i mean right medicine is moving that fast it'll be wild and yeah i would totally watch it you know

ethically it's like bear baiting it's like about as uh yeah you know it's a horrible idea but but it is compelling yeah i like i remember daniel Tosh had a bit about this in one of his early specials about being like, yeah, let him fucking do all of the fucking enhancing drugs. Like, let's just see what the fuck that looks like. And so I think we all do have this like morbid fascination just to be like, yeah, how far can the human body go if you just open the door to all these enhancements? go if you just open the door to all these enhancements but i think it's just dumb of them to act like this is a noble pursuit when you like clearly with like people like peter teal involved they just want to cash in on a drug addled freak show where they can like basically use like their comp like pharmaceutical or medical companies to be like and look at team whatever company this is like look how fast their guys go off their phones. It would be like Team Pfizer,

Team... Team Balco, like in the powerlifting. Team USSR, just a team of scientists from the 1980s, USSR comes through. It's like the doctors behind Ivan Drago. I do remember I wrote

an article once about the history of the Olympics and early in the Olympics doping was not even an issue. And I remember the winner of the first modern marathon, I think it was 1896, stopped in the middle of the marathon to have a glass of wine and maybe a shot of whiskey or something. So, which I thought was like, that's the best. Like, that is the marathon I can deal with. But yeah, so maybe he's right. This is more

like the original. I mean, to that point though, too, I think I'd also enjoy watching an Olympics where people were absolutely fucked off their faces trying to compete, too. That's a good idea. Like drunk history, but for the Olympics. Yeah. Yeah, just totally. The opposite of enhanced.

Oh, yeah. Because that would be wild to see someone like in archery or some shit be like dude every day these people had to polish off like whatever like whatever drugs were giving them that completely fuck up their equilibrium and they're still hitting it then i would be like oh yeah but everybody has that friend who like is is a better like test taker when stoned you know like i feel like sometimes there would be like actual world records set by like one person yeah like an archery or like yeah dark someone or yeah you do it you do the sub two hour full marathon because you're just drunk and you're like just so like dissociated from your body like i don't know i got there yeah oh man it would just be it'd be so interesting to see what the upper limits were to see what like i one time i was watching an nfl game and there were before like during the

star spangled banner one of the players had these enormous tears pouring out of their eye. The size of the tears were enormous? The tears, like the drops. The droplets were massive. And then I read somewhere that that is one of the side effects of a type of performance enhancing

drug that people just aren't aware of. So it would just be interesting to see the side effects. I'd be like, oh, yeah, okay, I recognize this. This guy's crying one-gallon teardrops. Instead of the Gatorade dump, you could just do it. That guy just stands over you. But my question, was it because he was emotional?

Was that a side effect? That was the implication. But it was like it was very strange the amount and you know kind of stone-faced but just like giant tears pouring out of that is hilarious well i love it too because it's a it's a conversation i've had a hundred times with my friends like well let's have a major league where it's all in. Yeah. And then the other, the opposite conversation I've had with my friends is like, what if you had a league that was totally, the field was totally even. So, like, if you were born with a certain advantage, this would take it away. Like, you know, sandbags on horses.

So, if you're seven feet tall, you have like three pounds on your legs so that the five foot two guy can get in there and play against you and what would that look like not very popular i'm guessing that one would yeah that that would just be for like men in their 40s to watch like i could be out there man oh yeah if it's like this, dude, I got LeBron all day, dude. All fucking day, man. LeBron would still be so good. Like LeBron, like that's what we're seeing in his old age. Like he's still just like, you know, it doesn't matter.

He's just a basketball computer. I mean, for like the people that, you know, they're always doping scandals and things like that. I'm always curious, like just how far ahead would they really be outperforming athletes who are quote unquote clean? You know what I mean? Because what if the times were exactly the same as you just have mediocre athletes getting like within two 100, like five one hundredths of a second of Usain Bolt. And you're like, right. Okay. Well, one thing i remember 10 years ago you're however long it was when oscar petorius right convicted now he's a convicted murderer yeah so he he's out now isn't he yeah he's out yeah but he good for that guy free oscar man yeah

but i watched a ted talk right after him and the guy predicted that in 10 years, every runner in the Olympics would have artificial limbs because you can design them to be faster. Right. And that hasn't come true. But I wonder why not? Like, what is what happened? Is it just because there are not enough people doing it or is it that? Yeah. Yeah.

Maybe that level of body modification. Yeah, maybe that level of body modification. Some people like, you know, I don't mind not having a limb amputated for a carbon fiber blade leg. But who knows? Maybe you just need someone to really make that fashionable. I'm just I just feel like power lifting is probably where you're going to see the most like difference probably although i just saw like a video of this guy who's like a bodybuilder influencer who who had like a caffeine induced heart attack because like he's just doing so many crazy stimulants to train so it just this idea seems just so many things can go wrong just everyone looks like the liver king yeah but But if motherfuckers aren't jumping like nine feet in the air casually, then we're not really, you know, like I feel like it's not going to quite pay off on the promise of being like, what happens if everyone. Yeah, that's why you need the gene splicing. So they like like they look like alligators and things. So it's like really interesting to watch.

Otherwise, it's like, you know, otherwise it's like you know okay they ran five seconds faster right it's like mutant boy from florida with his croc tail uh like his gator tail is like just crushing the 100 meter freestyle uh yeah those are the things we want yeah all right well speaking of none of that i guess lar, Larry David attacked Elmo on live TV. Hey, mutant freaks, you know. Mutant freaks. Yeah. You know, performance enhancing.

We don't know what Elmo was on in this appearance, but, you know, we've been debating whether Elmo would win in a fight with Big Bird. would win in a fight with Big Bird. Elmo's eyes, you know, we talked about how Big Bird has eyes facing forward, so definitely a predator, but then Miles, you pointed out, Elmo's eyes are as close together as we've ever seen. And as forward as possible. As forward, yeah. So, like, Elmo is, you know, possibly an apex predator, possibly a super predator, but, yeah, just broadly,

this kind of has nothing to do with that but he made an appearance on the today show elmo did and man it just keeps raining shit on elmo this week guys because like yeah obviously this was that tweet that went viral about like hey just check it in with you guys how's everyone's existential dread and they're like whoa this was not the ratio i was seeking here on this tweet but yeah this is him on the today show talking about that tweet and then randomly larry david shows up to mush his face i don't know well you decide let's go over to alfred checking the weather wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait here comes larry david smushing his face he took a swipe at the dad

ask permission ask permission before you touch people did you hear his that was elmo's dad like an ass like like foghorn leghorn yeah yeah his dad his dad talks like this he's like kind of a southern fried jazz hippie. Which kind of fucked up how I view Elmo. Like when I saw that, I was like, man, I didn't want to see his dad. Like I didn't want to know that about his dad. Stand idly by? That his dad has like a soul patch, you know?

Yeah. His dad looks like the dad who wasn't really there for every birthday he's like hey elmo you get my columbia house uh cds that i sent you those were 12 cds i got for a penny that i thought you'd love his dad smells like sandalwood and weed for sure yeah like in a little bit of patchouli yeah yeah you can't have a soul patch and not be fucking with the patchouli but yeah like i like larry david at the end he just yelled off camera somebody had to do it and i'm like i wasn't sure what he meant was it that is larry david team big bird and he's just letting him know what time it is like he's like bro it's ugly for you every single time i see you uh because it's all day or is it that made up the big bird or like

that was just something molly overheard a parent talking to their kid about yes yes like it's not a national debate like no this is all stems from molly overhearing a father and daughter talk about this at a ramen shop she was at who could be elmo who would who would win in a fight yeah because well big bird was having like a big social media moment. This, like, very crafted Big Bird shrunk to small and, like, was like, how am I going to get back to being big? And, like, it was getting some traction, but not that much. Mostly from Nazis on Twitter. And then Elmo just drops in and is like, how's everybody doing?

And, like, everyone's like, oh, shit, Elmo. So, like, there's definitely some? And like, everyone's like, oh, shit, Elmo. So, like, there's definitely some tension there. Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think of it more like, you know, the thought experiments, like how many babies would it take to kill John Cena? Right. I think it would take a few Elmos to take down.

To take down Big Bird, right? Yeah, how many elmos would you need to swarm yeah yeah it's like 20 it's interesting though too like how people like the response to the clip wasn't necessarily like why would larry david do that some a lot of people were like why the fuck didn't elmo's dad do something this man just pulled up on your fucking child and mushed their motherfucking face in and he's just like hey hey hey now hey uh what the what the fuck was that so for me again another data point in the fight between elmo and big bird i mean i'm sorry like i think you know as a parent you grabbing my kid that's instant smoke for you yeah that's just that's guaranteed but man if elmo's own daddy ain't built for it yeah what else what chance to elmo got you know even if he's speaking in third person

so i don't know i don't i don't like how it looks i don't like how it looks for him well a lot of i mean the third person i've noticed is like elite athletes serial killers sometimes talking to third person so maybe that maybe and maybe maybe seeing his father be emasculated like that just on live television maybe just the thing that really pushes him over the line when the bell rings in that fight elmo looks like in the clip elmo looks a lot like i did it whenever anybody would, like, fuck with me as a kid. Like, just being like, what? What? What?

Yeah. It just, yeah, totally emasculated. And then wait to cry until your mom picked you up from school. Yes. Yeah. That's me. I wasn't. Ideally. You pushed my motherfucking face, mom.

Yeah. Just not saying anything because the very first word that comes out was going to be good. Yeah. Are you okay, Jack? Say something. No. Just run away. You say something.

Oh, my God. Yeah. I feel like Elmo, like me, not built for it. But I think Larry David needs to test Big Bird. You never know. You'd be surprised what people unleash when they have it bottled in for so long, too. That's true. It could come out and people would be like, oh my God, Elmo did not have to desecrate Big Bird's corpse like that.

Like when the bell rang, it was over. That was just a little bit. I didn't know he had that in him, but the darkness. Well, AJ Jacobs, it's been a real pleasure having you on the daily, daily zeitgeist. Where can people find you?

Follow you all that good stuff. Well, I loved it. Thank you so much for having me. You know, the usual stuff, AJ Jacobs on whatever toxic social media there still is. And yeah, the Puzzler.

That's what you should do is listen to The Puzzler on iHeartMedia. It's every day, but only eight minutes. So you can still listen to your Daily Zeitgeist before or after, whatever you prefer. And maybe Jack and I will be on and we'll not cry if we don't nail all the puzzles. I can't guarantee that. I can the puzzles. I can't guarantee the... I can't wait. I can't wait. Yeah, you've given us permission to be completely sadistic,

so this is very exciting. Jack, what'd you think of that puzzle? Can you call my mom? What happened? I rolled over my foot with my desk chair. Amazing. Is there a work of media you've been enjoying, AJ? You know what I like to watch nowadays is Netflix shows that are set in other countries, but they're only a little bit different.

Like I would watch, you know, an Italian show thinking like, oh, I'm going to learn about the culture. And like the only difference is the light switch is slightly different. And so it's a little sad because it's like it used to be that countries were completely different. But I guess there's something comforting about it as well. So yeah, there's one actually I did like an Italian Netflix show called The Law According to Lydia Poet, I think it was. I'm only 60% sure. But it was about the first Italian lawyer, first woman Italian lawyer, not the first Italian lawyer.

Very good. All right. Miles, where can people find you? Is there a work of media you've been enjoying? Let's see. You can find me on the at-based platforms at Miles of Grey. Let's see. You can find me on the at based platforms at miles of gray. Um, let's see. You can find Jack and I on our basketball podcast. Miles and Jack got mad boosties and you know, I'm watching, I'm watching that reality TV

at one and a half X, you know, cause I like, I respect the content, but then I recap it over on four 20 day fiance, uh, with Sophia Alexander. So come, come, come visit me over there. Will you Fiance with Sophia Alexander. So come visit me over there, will you? Some tweets I like. First one is from at site Chris that tweeted. Site Chris Hill? Site Chris Hill. Yeah, no. C-I-T-E. Site.

No, you know what it is? It could be Cite Chris. I don't know. With an H on the end. How people make fun of how Mancunians say Cite. But the tweet said, quote, Hey, sorry I didn't reply. My wife was making me watch our five-month-old for a bit, but I'm back now. You're

so hot, lol. Absurd tweet. And then open Mike Eagle past guest, front of the show, at Mike underscore Eagle tweeted, Taylor Swift should invite colin kaepernick to her super bowl suite for the added chaos that was one of mine i love that that's a great idea she should absolutely do that the right would actually someone would actually cease

to exist i think like the outrage would be so they somehow physically could not handle it just like turn into pink mist on the spot. Oof. A couple people on Twitter were retweeting this old performance by Radiohead on SNL. There's just like every once in a while there's an old SNL performance that I just can't stop watching. And this is Radiohead performing the National Anthem from Kid A. Tom York is really, you know know tom yorking it up so i enjoy that go seek it out zach pew was one of the people who tweeted it and then i also enjoyed this from eddie robson i felt called out by this one he said oh january has been going on so long when will it end

well now it has and what have we got? February. Well done, you idiots. Yeah. That's how I was feeling. You can find me enjoying tweets like that on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist

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And I've, and before that they're out, it took like six years for the, that album to come out. So we've been blessed with a new single called everything's beautiful. And this track is very beautiful. Just, just giving us,

giving, giving us that rhythm in, in, in odd meter. And Napalm's voice is fantastic. The bass playing and drumming is fantastic everything about this band is so dope uh and so i hope you enjoy this going into your weekend and hope that everything's beautiful because that's the name of this track by hiatus coyote all right we will link

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