The Daily Zeitgeist - Trump Drops New Jazz EP, Juries Say The Darndest Things 4.26.18

Episode Date: April 27, 2018

In episode 135, Jack & Miles are joined by comedian Andrew Ti to discuss Bill Cosby's guilty verdict and his outburst in court, another check-in with Kanye West and his defense by Chance The Rapper, Trump's call in to Fox & Friends, Dr. Ronny Jackson's years of inappropriate behavior, plus Ethnically Ambiguous's Shereen Younes and super producer Anna Hossnieh join to discuss the Supreme Court leaning towards allowing the travel ban to happen, & more.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 28, Episode 4 of The Daily Science, guys! For April 26th, 2018, my name is Jack O'Brien, aka, it's like the old saying goes, step on a jack, break your mama's jack. That one is courtesy of Walter Chestnut Jr., and I am thrilled to be joined, as always,

by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! Thank you so much. It is me, Kush Limbaugh, here to free y'all. Because you know what, everything, when I'm Kush Limbaugh, this is how I like to get down on the Daily Zeitgeist. So thank you so much to Christy Yamaguchi-Maine, again, for a trill ass AKA. If only Limbaugh was more into Kush, he would not have gotten hooked on those pain pills. Yeah. Would not have been driving around a pickup truck

with the bed entirely full of pain pills. He has a dope microphone. We should talk about that. I would love the golden microphone. Is that true? It's like fucking El Chapo had a fucking podcast. Just like all gold and shit. You guys don't subscribe

to the El Chapo podcast? I mean, not Chapo Chop House. The actual good podcast. But I would love to hear the El Chapo podcast i mean not chapo top house no actual good pocket yeah but i would love to hear the el chapo is not in the house yeah uh we speaking of we are thrilled to be joined by the host of the amazing podcast yo is this racist mr andrew t guys thank you for having me back uh can I just admit right off the top, even though I'm a long-time listener and have been on the show before, I am still amazed by the AKAs and kind of confused every time. Yeah. I remember I fucked one up because I forgot that I was supposed to do it one time when I was on.

Yeah. And Miles had to do it. Andre Le, Andre Le, mommy, T.I., T.I., uh-oh. No, I was confused. Straight up Miles had to do it. Andrew lay. Andrew lay. Mommy. T.I. T.I. Oh, no. I was nine. Confused. Straight up confused because I'm an idiot. No, no. It's because you're not overly Kevin.

And then in the native as I am right now, if there's cold. Andrew, I love this. It's so good to have you again. What is something from your search history? Oh, feeling about where you are as a person right now. I think I feel this is going to lose me points. The last thing I searched for was, are the Dodgers playing tonight?

Because I was having so much trouble parking in Echo Park. I was like, I just need to know if there's an explanation. I still couldn't do anything about it, but it took me 45 minutes to park out of something. I was already 10 minutes late. Where were you going? Just button mash this. Yeah.

Oh, of course. Cause that's right on sunset. Yeah. Yeah. If there is, it was, I may be the, the bar that has the closest physical proximity to Dodger stadium.

No, maybe shortstop, but it's on that strip. Literally the second closest bar to Dodger stadium. And for some reason I was going, did it actually take you 45 minutes to park? Yeah. It was terrible it was it was real real stupid of me and his button mash i've been in there i hear the food is the food good uh you're asian enough that the food oh it'll be like taco bell to me it's not good okay it's offensively expensive but it's fine oh yeah you

know what i'm saying yeah i do know what you're saying. Where I'm like, it's okay. It's not bad, but it is definitely white people charging $4 too much for everything. Goes to Singapore once. Yeah. Yeah. I learned so much cool stuff there. Yeah. It really is.

Have you ever had some ball? You know they have a cart with a Michelin star. Yeah, right, right. It's crazy. A cart? Yeah, it's five bucks. The first one, yeah, right? Yeah, yeah. You know they have a cart with a Michelin star. Yeah, right. It's crazy. A cart? Yeah, it's five bucks. The first one, yeah, right? Yeah.

You know what? I probably learned that from some white people. Oh, yeah. It's like every travel show goes to that dude. Yeah, like a food blogger of some kind. Yeah. Who knows? Anyway, I'm not a baseball fan.

I'm a baseball game fan because I'm a two hot dogs, three beers, and a sitting outside fan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah. I only like MMA, you guys. Wow. That's the only sport you care for? Yeah. Damn.

Just MMA. I guess soccer a little bit. What did you think of Conor McGregor while not on that bus? Oh, that was depressing, I think. I just saw the clip and I was like, man, whatever. I don't even really watch this shit anymore. I know. I thought it was cool to see him throw a fucking dolly through a window.

What I understood was he didn't expect it to break the window. That's not an excuse. No, no. I know. But I think he was just like, look, this is going to be theatrical. It's going to bounce off and then I can do a pro. It is a little bit like in pro wrestling. So like pro wrestlingwrestling. It is a little bit like in pro-wrestling.

So pro-wrestling is a work. It's theatrical and fake. But I think it's called a shoot when things kind of become real. And there's a couple of famous examples. Famous not to me because I don't have them on my head. They're mostly in Japan, I think, where two dudes clearly just roided out assholes kind of tough guys like it turned into a real fight right like one actually lands a slap and then it starts to be a fake right yeah okay you want to turn it oh so we're doing this now and then I'll hit you back and

then it just turned into a real fight oh hey hit me with links on twitter to those videos because that just reminds me of like some sibling type shit where you're like you play fight and then yeah yeah really rampant it up. Yeah. I could probably Google works that turned into a shoot. Works that turned into a shoot. Yeah. Maybe add wrestling to that. But yeah.

It's a real face, not a heel. I know all the wrestling lingo. Two heels. No, but that's my favorite shit when it was just like, yeah, let's do this. But I think that's what happened to Conor McGregor, which is he was like I'm doing a pro wrestling thing right and she got very real oh I cut the shit up out of that dude from the glass it was weird that he was followed around like there were cameras there so yeah like a normal assault where you try to make sure there aren't cameras right yeah so yeah I feel like it's whoever really the person to blame is whoever installed

that glass right yes that's that It's that person's fault. That's the real villain. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, but he like, what was that? Like four fights got called off?

So like eight people trained, cut weight. Right. Like, can you imagine? Yeah, that's got to be really frustrating. Spitting into a cup and then not being able to fight because you got a cut on your forehead from a bus fight? Yeah. that sucks. Andrew, what is something you think is underrated?

Underrated? Can I do my overrated first because they're related? Yes, please do. Podcasts. Wait, what? Podcasts are mad overrated. Damn, you're right, man. Turn this off right now if you're listening because you're a damn fool.

You're a sucker. You know what's underrated is going into an old hard drive and finding a bunch of mixtapes that you put on there. So I've been listening to an old Bun B mixtape and an old Zero mixtape instead of podcasts this week. Is the Bun B mixtape, is it chopped and screwed? Is it a chopped and screwed version? No, it's not the chopped and screwed version, but there are some. It's like the one he put out. I think it became Trill, but it is.

And for those who don't know, a Chopped and Screwed means when they slow the shit down super slow so it sounds like you fucked up on a lean. DJ Screw. That was DJ Screw who innovated. For anyone who wasn't lucky enough to be in the studio, Miles did just pantomime nodding off. Miles did just pantomime nodding off. Yeah. I listened to too much chopped and screwed music as a 20, early 20 something person. Really?

Where'd you grow up? Oh, I mean, that was in New York at the time. And you were just, I don't know. You had all those screwed mixtapes? Yeah. And I was not drinking codeine in any form. I would just walk around New York. I think I was real frustrated with my job, but I would just walk around New York. I think I was real frustrated with my job, but I would just walk around New York listening to just really slow, sickly, nauseating rap.

Wow. What were you doing at the time? I worked at Comedy Central. I was a digital media producer, so I would just walk around. Just getting your mind right. No, it's my soundtrack to Hate Walking Through Times Square.

I have a real weird, like, yeah, I don't know why I did that. You should put a Spotify playlist together called Hate Walking Through Times Square that people can jump on. Did you ever listen to DJ Low B, his mixtapes? No, I don't think so. Lil B, the bass guy? Low B. Oh, Low B.

Yeah. No. I can't even, like, find him on Google, but he had, like, these three guy? Low B. Oh, Low B. Yeah. No. I can't even find him on Google, but he had these three mixtapes. They were sort of girl talky, but better. Oh, like mashups and stuff? Yeah, they were like mashups, but I liked them a lot better than the girl talk. The girl talk? Okay.

Yeah, but they were circulating for a couple months, and me and my wife loved him, and then he just kind of dropped off, and I still can't like find him. He probably had a family or something. I'm going to say a thing that is ridiculous, I'm sure, but it feels like we're the last people that have music that you can't find anymore. Right.

From our childhood. Straight up you can't find. Right. And a lot of it you can find. And a lot of stuff that I thought in the past, like I own this record or whatever. No one, I'm cool. And some of that stuff is on the internet now. Right.

But there was some other stuff where I'm like, huh. Yeah. There are like a ton of like DJ Clue mixtapes and things that I have like on old hard drives that, especially mixtape world. Yeah. I mean, there are websites that do like sort of archive it, but that's like one thing that I do have on hard drive where I'm like, yo, I have like every DJ Clue mixtape world. Yeah. I mean, there are websites that do sort of archive it, but that's one thing that I do have on hard drive where I'm like, yo, I have every DJ Q mixtape. Whereas now, even if it's super obscure, it is at least still on SoundCloud.

Right. It's still there if you Google it. Right, right. Right, right. But it might not be good. It's probably bad. All the SoundCloud shit is bad. There's some good stuff, but yeah.

I'm just kidding. Am I kidding? I don't know. Andrew, what is a myth? What is something that most people think is true that you know to be false? Oh, man. I feel like this one is maybe too easy, but the Asian people are industrious thing or hardworking. I feel like, obviously, people have started pushing back on that myth, but I just want to truly highlight how incredibly lazy I am. I just think it's important. And you represent all Asian people.

No, well, I don't think I'm an outlier. I think that's the thing. Okay, here's a myth. The actual myth was that I more or less bought into that stuff until I moved. Even when I lived in New York, I kind of didn't think about that stuff but when I moved to LA where you actually meet a lot of different types of Asian Americans right where I was like oh yeah I really I love me some like Asian shithead teens right I love bad Asian teens because I'm like I did not get to see that when I was growing up right I needed that right I need it still. Agent teens, hit me up. Interesting. Yeah, hit up. Agent teens, hit Air Jiu-Jitsu up.

Also the police. Yeah. All right. We got a lot of news to get through today, guys. We are trying to take a sample of the global and national shared consciousness, what people are thinking and talking about right now, today, at the moment we record it, and at this moment, news has just broken within the past hour that Bill Cosby has been found guilty. We knew he was guilty, but he has been actually found guilty by a jury of his peers. Boom.

So yeah, we don't know if he's going to prison yet. He apparently left the courthouse not in handcuffs. Also left the courthouse not saying, hey, hey, hey, like he did last time, which was real cool. That may have affected how people saw him. But, yeah, so we're going to see the judge has still yet to sentence him. I don't think it's a great sign that Cosby stood up. So the prosecutor was saying that they wanted to remove the possibility of bail because Cosby had a personal private plane that he had access to. And Cosby, at that moment, stood up in court and

said, he does not have a private plane you asshole and the judge was just like yeah i don't think he has a private plane so the judge is like apparently just like okay with letting cosby just because yeah letting cosby riff you know i mean uh so yeah this is like the first person who's actually had a trial from like a lot of this Me Too celebrity shit. Wow. The man who had the famous quote, hey, don't put me on Me Too. Yeah, what the fuck?

He has been put on Me Too. Now you're learning how it works, Bill Cosby. For all time. Yeah, I'm curious to see how many other people are actually going to be facing like actual legal consequences for this kind of shit. Yeah feels like very few right yeah i mean does harvey weinstein have something bubbling up aren't aren't people trying to take him to new york was yeah new york was thinking about it right uh da in new york was like oh man we really fucked up and now people know about it right right right yeah so we got caught doing favors for rich people as we always do.

We're going to have to do what we call a judicial make good. Yeah. Got to make up that justice, all that justice. Well, good. Good first step, man. You got to fucking start putting people, they got to start facing actual consequences for their actions. Also, I thought he didn't swear, Cosby.

He called that guy an asshole. He's supposed to be the clean guy. Yeah. That's the biggest shock for me. for their actions. Also, I thought he didn't swear, Cosby. He called that guy an asshole? Oh, what is that? He's supposed to be the clean guy. Yeah. That's the biggest shock for me. You know, I mean, this whole thing caught me off surprise. He said, asshole? Wow.

Boy, howdy. All right, we want to do one more check-in with Mr. West. Oh, man. Mr. Kanye, because after we spoke yesterday, we might have talked about him specifically shouting out Trump and saying, I love Trump and mega, mega, mega. And then Trump retweeted him and was like, this is very cool, Kanye.

And Kanye retweeted that retweet and was like, yes. And just mutual admiration society going on. And then fucking Chance, like as if it wasn't bad enough already chance, the rapper got in and was like, Hey, Kanye is just being Kanye. Essentially. He's the same Kanye.

He's always been. and then, so that, that's fine. Like, he's just kind of being like, Hey, leave him alone.

Uh, you know, he's my friend, but then he was like, black people don't have to be Democrats. No. And that is not the issue, Chance the Rapper. Okay?

People are not upset because of partisanship. It's that people are upset with what this president represents. And for someone with as much influence in the community, for people of color, just in general, people look up to,

or looked up to Kanye West, to have him then co-sign that he can't connect what he is actually aligning himself with is what's the most upsetting to me and I don't really want to talk about him anymore because fuck this guy uh I don't care like at fucking best he's going through some kind of really terrible mental thing you know and that could explain one reason at worst he's just tro some kind of really terrible mental thing, you know? And that could explain one reason. At worst, he's just trolling people. Like some people say, no, I mean, he's just trying to get the hype up for the album,

or he's doing this consciously. That's actually worse to me. Because that actually suggests that you are so divorced from the reality of oppression in this country that you think you can put a MAGA hat on and not understand that people of color, like I have a visceral reaction to seeing people wear a MAGA hat. Not that I'm immediately like, oh, what the fuck is going on? But to me, it symbolizes a very dangerous mindset. And when you have like reports coming out that a lot of the hate crimes that have happened in the last year, people have been evoking Trump's name. That's just the kind of shit that, I don't know, it's just, it's really, it's frightening

to see. And I don't know if that's because younger people are not fully in tune with what is at stake exactly. So when people go, well, just let him have his opinion. This isn't about his opinion. That's fine. You can have an opinion about Donald Trump, but you also need to understand the nuances of saying like, oh yeah, man, MAGA all day or whatever.

You have to explain that a little bit further, you really are just saying yeah like whatever it's not a problem like racism doesn't exist to me or whatever and that's the world he's operating in i'd rather just know that that's what he's like he's just lives in that reality rather than trying to like straddle two worlds and be like i don't agree with his politics but also he's my brother dragon energy yeah that's been the main pitch is like confidence i guess like is that's the only thing they they claims that they have in common and that's right that they're seeing through the matrix them and the creator of dilbert they're like the three neos in our matrix world and they we're all just robots,

and they're the only ones who actually see through the Matrix. Scott Adams is one of those dudes who will come after almost anyone, too. Yeah. Have you guys talked about him on the show before? Yeah, we've talked about him. Yeah, yeah. Does he ever come after you? No.

No. We're not that big. God, please come after us, Scott Adams. No, that's what I'm saying. He'll go after, not that. He'll go after anyone. He'll go after fucking anyone. You're going to be seen as shitty Goebbels in the future in history books.

So please come after us. You're like the really, really shitty version of that. At least Goebbels was okay at his job. You fucking suck at everything. Come at me. Having an administration of like reality show Nazis in charge. It's like oops all Goebbels. Just everyone is like a propagandist.

That's exactly it. No one has any substance at all. Yeah. Move on. I don't want to talk about this. Somebody was talking about how they should have seen it coming because trump and kanye both have this same art form that is like the kanye rant and what we call trump jazz which is them just like standing in front of a crowd and just

like free associating shit about like just saying whatever the crowd wants to hear but it's almost like this weird like thing where they become symbiotic with the crowd and it made me think of uh this article uh i read about pedophiles actually uh in the aftermath of the sandusky scandal and how like everything about child predators their lives lives, their instincts, their careers, their hobbies, like everything they do is developed almost exclusively to just put them in a position to prey on children. And like if you're an addict, you know that you can find the drug dealer in the room. You know, like you just have this like innate sense because you need oxygen. Yeah, that's your oxygen. Your body like needs that or like you put

yourself in a position to be lucky a lot like you tiny probes tiny probes tiny probes almost instinctively and then you just get it and i think that's the same shit with trump and kanye they have like their whole being is just built around like getting just sucking in as much attention and adulation and drama as they possibly can to fill just this giant vortex of a fucking sucking wound where their soul should be and it we just can't like I think the one thing chance said that was right is that this is just Kanye being Kanye this is the same Kanye who you know jumped up on that stage and took the fucking mic out of Taylor Swift's hand and like said to give the award to Beyonce just because he was right that one time doesn't mean that like it wasn't coming from the same place. Now this side of him, this sort of need for attention has overtaken everything else. It's almost like the historical hypothetical is no longer he's the black beetle. It's more like, what if Hitler was a good artist instead of the world's shittiest watercolor painter?

If it's like Trump, right, those people don't even have opinions on politics either way no you know like and they'll just be like yeah whatever i'll say just for this the sake of positive validation or outrage or whatever like they just sort of talk in those terms yesterday i was fucking i could not believe what i was seeing and i was trying to wrap my head around what how someone who was so openly talking about the imbalance of power and justice in this country for people of color or something could suddenly just not understand what going on this. Like, look at my MAGA hat. Like, what that signals to people.

And now I'm just like, you know what? Just flame yourself out and just go talk whatever you need to. I don't know. I'm exhausted by it. And I don't know what to say anymore. Yeah. Can I ask a question? It's like taking Chance's statement at face value, which is like, this is Kanye's always been Kanye.

This is him. Does that. And obviously, Twitter in the last two days or day and a half has been an endless like separate the artist from the art, separate the artist from the art with more desperation than I've ever seen before. I've ever seen before. Right, right, right. But I kind of am thinking, like, this does change the art for me a little bit. I don't know.

I'm sorry, that what? Like, this kind of stuff. And when you kind of, like, merge the idea that this has always been Kanye, but, like, initially he could get attention by, you know, saying the right thing. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Like the way it's just like that double edged sword of that charisma and the artistry. Like when you see it bite the other way, then part of me is like, oh, well, then what the fuck was the other stuff? Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. I sort of agree that I don't think he's like, I mean, obviously he's changed because his situation has changed and like his peers have clearly changed.

But I don't know. Like part of me is like, okay, so what was all like, what was the past? Was it? Yeah. You're like, what was he talking then? Was that just? Yeah. Yeah.

Was that just similarly? Oh, I can get attention this way. And you're like, oh, that sucks. I don't know. It's, you know, and I think it's one of those things too is that, I don't know if I said this on the show, but that we sort of have this base assumption that people who become celebrities

are like meaning what they say or that they're fully lucid or like that they don't have any kind of personality deficiencies that would bring you to a moment like this. Because it's very possible that this was Kanye's mindset all the time, that he really didn't care about really anything about what he was rapping.

And it was just a means to an end of like, oh, this is popular. I'll do this. Yeah, sure. It's like at this point, I've spent too much energy trying to figure this out that I just need to move to the point to accept like, okay, you're in the sunken place. Figure yourself out. Talk later.

Bye. Just between Morrissey fans, Shania Twain fans, and Kanye fans. It's been a bad week. Everyone has, everyone's learned something about the people they like. And then Nas too.

We find out Nas, there was a report. Kalise was saying that he was abusing her too. Jesus. Like, God, what the fuck is going on? Yeah.

It almost like not like nas was a fucking the idyllic husband or whatever but still yeah i still ride for 18 year old nas and that's the only nas that's what everyone's going to be saying just the first albums of these artists yeah um yeah it's it's almost weird that hitler was such a bad artist because like these people know that like they need to fill that hole with fame. And so they just like Kanye talks about how he like spent a whole summer. Like while everybody was out, like being normal humans,

he was just like holed up in a basement somewhere making beats because he like knew that he had this need. He was like an incomplete human. And so, yeah, they do inform each other, unfortunately. Now, when you said he's like Hitler but was good at music, are you saying he is like Adolf Hitler or are you just saying?

Just that they're both pathological narcissists on the scale of... Like Bill Burr has a bit about how he heard Kanye speak and the hairs on the back of his neck stood up and he didn't know who was speaking he was just like oh that sounds like Hitler Mussolini like that sort of shit like the way he's talking just about himself and about the world his view on the world uh and I I just I think all of these people have like a megalomania and a narcissism that is just beyond, it's like next level shit. And that's like,

you need to fill the hole inside of you with all of the world. Right. And in some way, maybe his ego is actually what's truly powering his like creative ability too. It's not even that. It's like that.

He's like, no, I have to be creative to achieve the attention. Well, and also people respond to that. Like it's just like like confidence reflects that. I just think we're seeing a great example of systemic racism here because obviously if Kanye were white, he would be a dictator. Exactly. All he can do is have some sneakers and a bummy fashion show.

Yeah. So even at the top, don't think systemic racism doesn't hit at the top of sociopaths. All right. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. Hey, I'm Bruce Bozzi. On my podcast, Table for Two, we have unforgettable lunch after unforgettable lunch with the best guest you could possibly ask for.

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And we're back. And so it's been an eventful morning. Donald Trump, the president of the United States, called into his favorite talkie box program, Fox and Friends, and just like self-owned for about 29 minutes straight. True jazz solo. Yes, true Trump jazz solo. That might be a thing with him and Kanye. Like they make each other jealous. Like they're like, oh, this dude's got the spotlight for like the past 24 hours.

Now. Now, fuck that. I'm going to jump on that. They're like trading fourths. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, so Trump came on for a dope Trump jazz solo. And what did he do? First of all, this was like the kind of rant that reminded me of like golden era,

hip hop beef, where a rapper would call the radio station. Right. Like, nah, let me tell you about Ja Rule real quick. Right. This motherfucker.

When I see him, blah, blah, blah. That was the same energy that Donald Trump was calling into Fox and friends. And he had fucking heat for everybody. It was comb,

mower, fucking just air, anything. And it was combed fucking just air anything uh and it the best thing was seeing how uncomfortable the fox and friends hosts were i mean they got uncomfortable yeah because you know he came after everybody came after muller he came after the doj the fbi and then was like wait i'm the friend of the fbi he was it was just pure jazz so one of the first places he really uh sort of he sort sort of incriminated himself or self-owned, as we say, put himself in maybe a little spot of legal trouble is when he's talking about Michael

Cohen. So prior to this, the narrative was that President Donald Trump had nothing to do with the payment to Stormy Daniels to keep their affair private. Everyone has said that Michael Cohen did that. Michael Cohen even said, I did that unbeknownst to Trump. I was doing that because I'm the homie. Yes, I put another mortgage out of my home so I could pay this because that's how good of a friend I am, blah, blah, blah. And even on Air Force One, journalists asked Mr. Trump, hey, what's going on with this payment? He said, I don't know. I don't know anything about that. You have to talk to Michael Cohen. So then on Fox and Friends, he kind of basically completely contradicts that and sort of admits that he did in fact know about it, which is crazy prior to that this clip is going to start with him ranting about the doj

and surprisingly i think the fox and friends host knew that he or maybe they just had enough of this shit they kind of pushed back in a interesting way that i would not expect from fox and friends if we had a justice department that was doing their job instead of it's your justice mr president It's your Justice Department. Mr. President, Mr. President, you're the Republican in charge. You've got a Republican running it. I answer this all the time. Because of the fact that they have this witch hunt going on with people in the Justice Department that shouldn't be there, they have a witch hunt against the President of the United States going on.

I've taken the position, and I don't have to take this position, and maybe I'll change, that I will not be involved with the Justice Department. I will wait till this is over. It's a total, it's all lies, and it's a horrible thing that's going on, a horrible thing. And so I'm very disappointed in my Justice Department. But because of the fact that it's going on, and I think you'll understand this, I have decided that I won't be involved. I may change my mind at some point because what's going on is a disgrace. It's an absolute disgrace. And by the way, they walk into the DNC.

They're squirming. We're not giving you the service. OK, we'll leave. That's not the FBI. That's a fix. Let's talk about Michael Cohen. Yesterday, the attorney... Yeah, right, crazy asshole. What about Michael Cohen? ...the fifth. What's your reaction to that, being that you worked with him for a couple of decades as your attorney? I do. He's a good person. He's an extremely great guy.

What's at stake for you, Mr. President? Let me just tell you that Michael is really a businessman, a fairly big business as I understand it. I don't know his business. And they're looking at something having to do with his business. I have nothing to do with his business. I can tell you he's a good guy. But isn't his business your attorney, Mr. President? I have many, many, just so you understand, I have many attorneys.

I have attorneys. Sadly, I have so many attorneys you wouldn't even believe it. How much of your, Mr. President, how many attorneys is it? He said, how much legal work do I have to do? Well, it's a percentage of my overall legal work, a tiny, tiny little fraction. But Michael would represent me and represent me on some things. He represents me, like, with this crazy Stormy Daniels deal. He represented me like with this crazy Stormy Daniels deal. He represented me.

And, you know, from what I see, he did absolutely nothing wrong. There were no campaign funds going into this. Then why is he pleading with this? It would have been a problem because he's got other things. He's got businesses. And from what I understand, they're looking at his businesses. And I hope he's in great shape. But I'm not involved, and I'm not involved.

And I've been told I'm not involved. I've. But I'm not involved. And I'm not involved. And I've been told I'm not involved. I've been told I'm not involved. Wow. You can even tell they're like, oh, fuck, we're going to have to be the guardrails now for this thing. It's like having... They're like, oh, we're your lawyers now. It's like having when a sports talk radio show takes a caller and they're like, oh shit. They immediately realized the color is crazy.

And they're just like trying to like, they're like, wait, wait. Uh, yeah. Okay. So we,

what about this other thing to get you to stop blaming? As we were talking, like, just get it cut off with anyone else. They would have caught his mic. Yeah. Yeah. It just happens to be that that color is the president.

So you can't really cut them off. It's wild. Cause he just started off like, I don't know her about Michael Cohen. And then suddenly he's like, well, yeah, he represented me in that deal. Wait a second, my man. So that's a huge complication. And then later on, as his solo was moving along, he then put his crosshairs on James Comey because he was saying that James Comey lied or whatever about him. I guess in the memos that Comey lied about Trump saying that he didn't

spend the night in Moscow on the night of the P-tape. And this is another just interesting moment from the president, too. I went to Russia for a day or so, a day or two, because I own the Miss Universe pageant. So I went there to watch it because it was near Moscow. So I go to Russia. Now, I didn't go there. Everybody knows. The logs are there. The planes are there. He said, I didn't stay there at night. Of course I stayed

there. I stayed there a very short period of time, but of course I stayed. Well, his memo said I left immediately. I never said that. I never said I left immediately. Okay. Well, that's another weird thing because I think most people believe James Comey. Polling even shows that over the president. And yeah, what's interesting too is like, there's so much evidence that points to the fact that he was there, like Kurt Schiller,

his bodyguard was like, yeah, we stayed the night there. And then the flight logs are like, yeah, they didn't leave till the next day. And so i guess maybe he saw like oh shit okay this is not this is not vague enough for me to lie he's like yeah of course i was there right now james comey's lying that i was in there come on that i had said i was right yeah it gets very weird and what's crazy is like even the fox and friends people were just didn't know even know how to like do we question him like real journalists yeah i. I mean, not journalists. I don't even know. Whatever.

Wait, whoa. Weird word. Real political style entertainers. Like real Muppets? Or what do we do? And they were in a weird spot. They have the president live on the phone on their live TV show where the president is the most important person to anybody watching.

And he's so incoherent and so just clearly out of his fucking mind that they basically have to cut him off at the end. I think we have the end of the conversation. How would you grade yourself now? I would give myself an A+. Nobody has done what I've been able to do. And I did it despite the fact that I have a phony cloud over my head that doesn't exist. But does it make you want to talk to him and put an end to it?

Does it make you want to talk to him? Because that's what we're doing. And the problem is that it's such a it's such if you take a look, they're so conflicted. The people that are doing the investigation, you have 13 people that are Democrats. And by the way, you take a poll of the FBI. I love the FBI. The FBI loves me. But the top people in the FBI headed by Comey were crooked. And you look at the corruption at the top of the FBI.

It's a disgrace. And our Justice Department, which I try and stay away from, but at some point I won't. Our Justice Department should be looking at that kind of stuff, not the nonsense of collusion with Russia. There is no collusion with me and Russia. And everyone knows it. We could talk to you all day, but it looks like you have a million things to do. Oh, my God. I hope you can join us again, Mr. President.

Thank you so much for being with us. And, Anthony, good luck with your book. It's going to be a winner. Thank you so much. And happy birthday Mr. President. Thank you so much for being with us. And Anthony, good luck with your book. It's going to be a winner. Thank you so much. And happy birthday to Melania. Thank you very much. We'll see you next Thursday, Mr. President. All right.

Lines open. Call in again sometime. They're like, they keep trying to cut. They're like, uh. Yeah, the, okay. Okay. Just fucking hang up, man. So good.

You must be so busy. It's such an incredible. Well, he's like, we could talk to you all day. And he's like, I could. They were saying, but we could talk to you all day. He's like, I could. But you're busy. So we're going to give you that out.

The other thing that clearly happens is every time he calls in, they have to tell him to turn down Fox and Friends, the TV he's watching. Oh, like, yeah, someone on the radio. Yeah, yeah. For sure. They're like, we're getting a little feedback. Like, they have to build in. They're like, hey, Ma, turn your radio down a little bit. Okay, where are you calling from? He's like, what?

He has to get an aide to mute Fox and Friends. So sad. Yeah, it's all just very interesting. And the other thing, too, is what's amazing is Michael Avenatti I think immediately entered this call into evidence. So Michael Avenatti is Stormy Daniels' lawyer, who is the fucking, like, the lawyer who's been.

The troll troll. The real troll, amazingly. And also on Morning Joe, Michael Avenatti was on while this was happening and they were like laughing about it and he's like,

okay, this is the weird thing he said. He kind of got a little messy. He was basically saying that it's possible that the $1.6 million payment that Elliot Broidy, who was the fundraiser that had to resign, who was also one of Michael Cohen's quote unquote clients. Right.

There were three clients. There was Trump. There was Elliot Broidy and Sean Hannity. Elliot Broidy was the only one that we had like very specific details, right? That he paid a playmate $1.6 million to have an abortion. So it was, yeah, a $1.6 million dollars to have an abortion so it was yeah a 1.6 million dollar abortion payout uh and what michael avenatti says he goes mika you know like who are the three uh clients that like were michael cohen's that were named and stormy daniels lawyer is saying

is asking her the host one of the hosts of morning joe which is a thing he presumably knows yeah but you know he's trying to be a lawyer you know know what I mean? Right, lawyerly. He's a little Socratic and shit. So he's like, yo, so who are they? And she says, the president, Elliot Broidy, and Sean Hannity. He goes, no, see, you're making the same mistake everybody else is. Because Elliot Broidy was never actually named in open court as a client of Michael Cohen's. Those three entities were Donald Trump, the Trump enterprise, and Sean Hannity. the Trump enterprise and Sean Hannity.

So he was basically saying, we will find out soon if in fact this payment was made on behalf of Elliot Broidy. And then it was like, and I'm just leave it at that. So I don't know what he was trying to say, but he was basically hinting that maybe this payment had nothing to do with Elliot Broidy and maybe Elliot Broidy was being the fall guy for someone else.

So that was an interesting tidbit. Now that's just speculation, but Michael Avenatti, you know know he likes to be messy and that was clearly something he was trying to do to fuck around or rile some feathers or some shit okay but okay like in terms of embarrassment it's like this obviously there's no bottom for like trump's base no no no so like no just more like he paid somebody to have an abortion, that would alienate the like religious right? I don't think so. I don't think so anymore.

I don't know. There's nothing. He would just be like, I've sinned. And they'd be like, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Right. I mean, because it's like, those people should have been alienated if they were going to be alienated.

Yeah, that's true. I don't know. And they've been on board for everything. So yeah, like you said, I don't think there is a bomb. Then, not that this would be even more scandalous, but it's just an interesting tidbit of how just tangled and fucking wacky this whole relationship between Trump and Cohen is. And who knows where it will lead. All right. Let's move on to more messiness involving the Trump administration because his pick to lead the VA, a man with very little managerial experience,

Dr. Ronnie Jackson, a.k.a. Rom-Rom Jaxxie Babies, a.k.a. the funk doctor Mr. Punk Rocker, got the drug stock up in the lunchbox. Wow. We got Ari Melber over here? Yeah. So complaints started out with, you know, he handed out a couple Ambien on overseas flights to, you know, the president's staff, Obama and Bush's staff, and maybe a couple of provigil to help pet people up a little bit once they landed somewhere. And, you know, maybe he got a little too drunk on a couple of those trips and couldn't be resuscitated when he was needed to, like, do his job.

And so they had to take his credentials to another backup doctor. And, you know. What do you mean he couldn't be resuscitated when he was needed to do his job, and so they had to take his credentials to another backup doctor. Wait, what do you mean he couldn't be resuscitated? Or he couldn't be woken up. He was so drunk they couldn't wake him up. That's dope. That is so cool. pounding on a female subordinate's door trying to get her to let him in so he could presumably like sexually harass her before passing out on her floor you know that's not so bad happens to the best of us uh and the press tried to get like backup on a couple of those things and they were

like we're not getting anything from the you know obama officials. They're all saying he's the best guy. But it turns out stuff kept coming out. It turns out he not only got drunk on the road, he got so drunk at a Secret Service retirement party that he crashed a government car. He was frequently known to give and take prescription drugs like around just the office including controlled substances like Percocet yeah Ronnie Percocet a future Hendrix as they called him but yeah he was just like an all-around fuck-up which makes me wonder like I think those Obama administration officials that they were like trying to get back up like, no, man, he hooked it up. Well, exactly.

And the other thing, too, is most people were like, everyone was like, yo, it's very normal for them to hand you sleep aids and provisional on these trips. Because when you're doing diplomatic missions and shit, you're on a plane, you're in a completely different time zone, and then you've got to be ready, active to do the thing. So most people were kind of like, that's actually pretty normal yeah that's fine like it's a role that's needed in the government yeah he's writing like kind of on the fly prescriptions for people like the same way like provisional was invented to help fighter pilots like a lot of firefights stay awake while they're like fucking flying around the world to go do missions so it's not that big a deal if he's giving it to other people. But if he's prescribing himself Percocet.

Yeah. And then like popping pills in the office and like. Yeah. Also just the reports of like what it was like to work for him. Yeah. Like people use words like toxic, abusive, volatile, vindictive. Yeah. Toxic masculinity.

He kissed up and kicked down, they said. He was just a fucking awful, the shittiest guy you work with. That's why this shit isn't as crazy as the fact that the White House can't pick people that are appropriate for these jobs. Right. You could almost argue, okay, you almost need someone that's basically this guy to be the dark part of keeping the government running. You have to give people speed, evidently, to run the government. Oh, for sure.

If that's a given, then that doctor is going to end up being like this. You just don't promote him. Right, you just don't make him the head of the second largest... How many people? I think it's 300,000 employees. And it's not just about medical killer either.

It's like a financial body too, like of giving assistance to veterans. So he's just wholly unprepared and unqualified for this thing. And it's just, again, this method of hiring at the White House is like, yo, that dude's chill. Which cabinet should he run? Which department should he run? We can control this guy because we've seen him do as much yeah like we were saying other administrations would have vetted

him sniffed all this shit out like months in advance or weeks in advance uh but instead of doing that trump's method was to just be like yeah he seems like a good guy let's use him and then when the media revealed all this shit he was like you know if i were you i'd drop out that was an actual headline it's like bro you trump you gassed me up to get out there what the fuck yeah but now man i'm like yeah i wouldn't now it looks like a mistake my man right it's a no for me trump is that asshole cousin who like runs up to the edge of the pool and then stops and then you jump in wow Wow. Doesn't it feel, though, that, like, I genuinely think there's not that much artifice with these people.

They're like, they believe it. They're like, yeah, he's our boy. Yeah. He's our boy. We get to do what we want. And then they're like, oh, he's not our boy, I guess. Right. Hey, you should really drop out, my man.

Right, right. Yeah. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. They just don't know that there's any such thing as a more functional administration. They just think that everybody is as big a fuck up as them. So. Right.

And they also don't know any better doctors to be fair. Right. He's the best. I mean, Dr. Oz will probably be next. I mean, come on.

Anybody named Ronnie, Dr. Ronnie. I don't know. Sounds like a porn star. Dr. Ronnie, the drug dealing doctor.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. It does sound like the, the cool doctor who gets you drugs. All right. We're going to take a porn star. Dr. Ronnie the drug dealing doctor. Right. Yeah. Yeah, it does sound like the cool doctor who gets you drugs. All right, we're going to take a quick break. Hey, I'm Bruce Bozzi. On my podcast, Table for Two, we have unforgettable lunch after unforgettable lunch with the best

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Welcome, guys. Thanks. Ladies. Welcome. Yeah, thank you. I got in trouble for saying that. Fellas. Yeah, sorry.

That's why I say y'all for everyone. That's what I say. Yeah, me too. Welcome, y'all. What's up, y'all? Or yins. How yins doing? That's not a thing.

Yeah. Oh, it is. How yins doing? Pittsburgh? Yins? I heard it from not a thing. Yeah. Oh, it is. Oh, Yin's is doing. Pittsburgh? Yin's? I heard it from people from Pennsylvania, yeah. Anyway. Anyways.

We digress. You guys, this past week, had what I think is one of your finest episodes yet, talking about Syria and all the complexities surrounding the conflict there. Shereen, your family is from Syria. Correct. Oh, you knew that. Okay. I thought I was just the conflict there. Shereen, your family is from Syria. Correct. Oh, you knew that. Okay, I thought I was just breaking news there. What?

I feel like you gave people, you guys both gave people a great way into comprehending that conflict because I think a lot of what you guys deal with on your podcast is the fact that you live amongst Americans who are just like the Middle East. Yeah, I'm vaguely aware of that as a place where war is. But yeah.

So can you talk a little bit about like, is there any like one way that has been successful in like sort of getting people to understand and care about Syria? Damn. Thanks for having me. And thanks for that very heavy question. I mean, I think just being kind of the token Syrian in a lot of people's lives has made them at least be aware that Syria is like a place. And I mean, I went through a phase definitely where I was

like spamming my social media being like you have to care about this this is happening in your world but that doesn't really do anything productive I've learned and just being a human being and being someone kind and when someone hears the word Syrian or something they could be like oh I know someone that's dope and they're from Syria and I should maybe pay attention to this or like something I think that um I don't know I've I've I feel like having the podcast has given me an outlet to yeah just to be like if anyone wants to know how I feel just listen to this episode yeah right I don't feel like we can get you guys to condense what's so good about that episode down into like a single answer but I just put you on the spot and asked you to do that uh no i mean i i appreciate you thinking that was a good episode because i

i usually hate everything i do but i like that episode so i'm glad you liked it you got that imposter syndrome i got that imposter and also uh self-deprecating trash syndrome i feel like the best this is anna sorry i feel like the best way to get people to pay attention about anything going on in the Middle East is to give them an approachable, modern, millennial version of it. Because if you just show someone a photo of a bunch of women in hijab and or burqas, they're like, I don't understand. And this, to me, reminds me of 9-11. And nothing goes through their mind except for that. So I think our approach is always to be like, guys, we're cool. We're chill.

Look at us. We're just like you, which is as dumb as it sounds. You mean humans? Yeah. That's just how it goes. You really just gotta show them that. Just skateboard up and be like, hey. Flip millennials. Flip your hat around. Kickflip. Kickflip with a half-pipe and be like,

we're here. And break someone's fidget spinner and be like, yeah, we're here. But yeah, that's a whole other thing. We'll get into that in another segment called Fidget Spinner Justice. But I think it's true. You know, like I can totally see how for people not knowing anyone from Syria or Iran or whatever, it's abstract when you don't. And then it's easy to just, you know, have a pattern of thought as to what a person is like

or what an American who is Iranian American or Syrian American, what that's like. And I think, yeah, it's not even that you have by design or like, oh man, like let's, let's be super millennials, but you're just being authentically like, hi, I'm also in this country and I just came from this other place. So thank you. That's it. Get rid of all other preconceived ideas you had about people from my country because I'm also just like you. Yeah. Except I have a little bit more to deal with right now emotionally than most people do. Yeah, like I vape as well. Yeah.

And am vaping right now. We're just like you. Is that relatable? Totally. Middle Easterners. They're just like us. They're just like us. And Shireen, you're a sick rollerblader.

Am I? Yeah. I saw you do a soul grind on your way in here. Oh, yeah. Check my Instagram story. Yeah, it's on there. My favorite kind of improv is, oh, yeah, yeah yeah check my instagram story yeah it's on there my favorite kind of improv is oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah okay okay i guess we are so you guys are both uh or you guys both have families from countries that are listed in the president's ban. Anna, you were actually flying to Iran a week after the travel ban was announced,

but the Supreme Court just heard arguments on that travel ban yesterday. Do you guys have any sort of thoughts on, are you a fan of the travel ban? Oh, yeah, so I'm a huge fan. I'm so excited about it. Okay, great. I always say you haven't lived until you've been banned. Yeah. But no, I'm not a fan. I always say you haven't lived

until you've been banned but no I'm not a fan I think it's stupid it's totally a Muslim ban they just can't admit it like remember how like Trump went through and was like here's all my rhetoric anti-Muslim hate them they don't like us but Christians can come over here Christians are just good old

you know he did specifically say that I do think no one is very informed about what Islam is, because didn't one of his lawyers call it, like, the greatest country or something like that? Which is just like, okay. The inspector general talking to the Supreme Court as he was closing his argument, and he's like, you know, the president, yeah, he thinks Muslims are great Americans and are good people. And he's continuously said Islam is one of the greatest countries in the world.

Now we can give him the benefit of the doubt. That does feel like shade. Like, guess what he says. Right, right. Guess what he thinks. He's so dumb. He's like, no, I can't be. Well, Islam isn't on the travel ban list

because that's the greatest country. So how can it be a Muslim ban? But I think, you know, giving him the benefit of the doubt, he was maybe just sort of mentally exhausted as he said it. But part of me is also like, if you're arguing in front of the Supreme Court and you

can't even go back and be like, I'm sorry, I didn't mean country, I mean religion. If you don't have the respect to take a fucking pro-vigil before you step in front of the Supreme Court, wake up. You're called amphetamines, my man. Give him a shot. Even if he said that statement right, we're to believe that

Donald Trump said that Islam is one of the greatest religions in the world? Right. I don't think so. On the campaign trail he says Islam hates us. Yeah. It's like Islam don't give a fuck about you. His whole campaign was about fear and he chose Muslims to be the people to

be afraid of and me and Anna both know this but like immigrating to the United States from the Middle East especially Syria has always been really hard and I have uncles that have waited 10 years just like in the regular visa program just to be able to come here so the fact that there was a muslim ban made it even harder for anyone to leave i mean there's the travel ban i guess but it's a muslim ban yeah um but it's uh it's a little ridiculous because it's like we're just like stuck in this time warp where it's like there's always going to be one ethnicity or a group of people that is the go-to scapegoat.

Right, right. Whether it's Latino immigrants or black people or Japanese immigrants or Irish immigrants, Italian immigrants. Yeah, there's always been the immigrant group du jour that it's like, oh, let's point the finger and be scared of them now. Yeah. And it's like oh let's point the finger and be scared of them now yeah yeah and it's really frustrating i i feel like i have a lot of like actor friends and people in the entertainment industry and they'll look at me and be like whoa yeah like your type is really in right now because it's so like it's so like uh i don't know controversial so like right just like you know what like i would rather it not be because of that reason like I'd rather people think I'm interesting and not because I...

Because you're ethnic. Well, that's a very much, I think, white entertainer mindset of like, oh my God, you can get any role right now. Exactly. You have no idea how hard it is, you guys. Blonde hair and blue eyes. That whole shit is like, take that somewhere else. Also, that's a lie.

That's just a lie. Their agents told them because they didn't want to say they're not good enough. take that somewhere else. Also, that's a lie. That's a straight up lie. Yeah, it's a straight up lie. Their agents told them because they didn't want to say they're not good enough. Right, right. Actually, it's all about diversity right now. Like, guess what?

It's not. If you were Asian, oh my God. Literally, you're there. Look at TV and movies. It's not all about diversity. There are like three shows. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, Miles,

you were talking about past types of discrimination. Like one Yeah. I mean, miles, you were talking about past types of discrimination, like one of the precedents, like one of the only sort of standing laws that they have that relates to the travel ban and like it's standing in front of the Supreme court is the Japanese internment. And like the last time a president was like, yeah, no, let's get rid of all of these people.

Yeah, and the Supreme Court found in favor of that and that was seen as a huge... A dark moment. Yeah, one of the darkest moments in the history of the Supreme Court. It's still not overturned, right? No, it hasn't been overturned. No, it's still not formally been overturned.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And people who are arguing in favor of the travel ban have uh used it as precedent been like well as the supreme court said in this case yeah but also they were suppressing like evidence that showed japanese people weren't actively plotting against the united states like that shit was all fucking it was so much fuckery going on with that yeah and they've still the government still distances themselves from that because, again, it's the same pattern of saying,

let's discriminate against this group with the guise of national security. Yeah, because someone has to be feared because there has to be a good guy and a bad guy, and we're always the good guys. There's always someone out to get us. Right, and I guess a couple differences, just to point out, is obviously the Roosevelt thing was dealing with people that were living inside of the U.S. right like including people who were actual citizens so uh it's slightly different because Trump's executive order really applies to foreigners

living abroad so like the constitutionality of it is not necessarily one-to-one I think but I think it like seeps in because there's also like DACA and like all these things oh yeah not to say that getting deported I think it all kind of meshes together because that mentality of fear seeps into other parts of your life. Absolutely. And like people that have lived here for their whole life are now seen as less American or something. Yeah, no, I purely mean on the legal face of it.

Oh, for sure. Yeah. Obviously the sentiment is the exact same, which is just singling out a group for people to just basically discriminate. Right. And now the group is the people from these majority Muslim nations. Right.

And the fact that the people who support the ban are drawing the comparison proves that they are viewing it in the same way. They're viewing it as a way to just blanket ban a whole type of people. Well, and also they're at like the perfect time because it's like for racists, they were like,

well, we really hope Korematsu doesn't get overturned right right like so let's fucking reinforce this shit but i don't think anyone has quite brought it up yet i know that was a thing that many people were being like is someone actually going to bring this up like is one of the justices going to bring it up yeah i don't i don't know but here's here's to me the darkest possibility which is like it does get brought up and our conservative ass supreme Supreme Court is like, yeah, this is the law of the land. We can absolutely discriminate by race. And it's just proof we're living in the darkest timeline. Yeah. The darkest timeline.

It's just like – I just think that's a possibility, right? Like everyone sort of thinks the basic human decency of people like five Supreme Court justices is like – It's going to be whether or not they want to bury their head in the sand and act like this isn't about people who are Muslim. Just being like on the face of it, they're saying it's just these countries. I don't see that it's motivated by any kind of religious, irracial animus.

At every moment during this last two years, it's like the kind of like petty social things that we thought were holding the racist back from the worst of it have turned out to be remarkably flimsy like at every chance like all the social mores that you're like well they wouldn't do this and it's like oh they for sure will do this but their argument's also like you're gonna ban these people from these countries to protect the country because they're gonna do something bad here or something but when in reality the majority of terrorist acts or violence in this country are done

by white men. Yeah, right. And that's just that argument. I mean, people just forget about that because they're just like, well, those people had mental problems. Oh, yeah. It's just a narrative, though. It doesn't jibe with what a lot of these conservatives want to or the narrative that they want to

push, which is immigrants equal danger. Anyway, Shireen, thank you so much for joining us. Thanks, guys. Super producer Anna shireen thank you so much for joining us super producer anna hosney thank you so much for joining us uh where can people find you guys uh we have a uh website ethnicallyambiguouspod.com you can look at our episodes over there and all our footnotes and everything and um just look us up on Instagram, ethnicallyamb, I-G, and then Twitter, ethnicallyamb,

A-M-B, and we post some stuff over there, and you should follow us, and keep up. Yeah, and subscribe to the show. It's a fun time. Yeah,

we post a lot of news and stuff on our Twitter, and all that. And they'll occasionally take shots at me, and my high-pitched laugh, and things like that. Yeah, I didn't know it was your fidget spinner, too.

That's fine, you know, we didn't have to bring that up, but while we're here, I will't know it was your fidget spinner, too. That's fine. You know, we'd have to bring that up. But while we're here, we'll be seeking restitution. I'm still using it. It's still fine. It still spins. Thanks, Andrew. It still spins.

It's not how it used to be. It is. It's just ironic that it's an American flag. An American flag one, yeah. And it's funny because Her Majesty, my queen, purchased that in Washington, D.C. too. Oh, really? It's very American. No, I like it.

Also, though, it's broken in a specific way that you can see the inside of it. It's great. And it's hollow. So you're welcome. I like how it works. Oh, my goodness. Andrew. I dropped it on the ground.

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Actually, everyone in this room has been on the podcast. Jack and I have been on it. Those episodes. It was fantastic having all y'all. Most of the Culture Kings on there too, right? Yeah,'all. And you've had, I think, most of the Culture Kings on there, too, right? Yeah, all of them. Wow. I've had everyone I know here has been on the show.

Just spread love. It's the podcast. But we're making some changes. In fact, to everyone here, you guys might, if you want to hear a preview of the new theme song after we get off air. What? You can hear that shit. Okay.

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We have a Facebook fan page and a website daily DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as the song that we ride out on, which today, Miles, what is it? Okay, I can't listen to hip hop right now. I'm just trying to repair my brain cells. Last night, I'm not even joking, I listened to Scheher to shaharazad fucking like anyway cut to today's song uh just a nice cover of a rk fire song the suburbs uh by a group uh mr little jeans i just like this cover it's just soothing it's a little more on the electric side uh and it's just i just you know let's just think of easier times right now so we have a lot to get through yeah but my favorite tweet today by at scene boy varsity uh jaw rule

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