The Daily Zeitgeist - Trump Flops, Olivia Rodrigo WINNING 5.25.21

Episode Date: May 25, 2021

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Yes, we know. It's the podcast. We take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It's Tuesday, May 25th 2021 my name is miles gray aka chuke guevara thank you so much to jpeg 2000 mafia for that one i'm still on the chuke train shout out to anna for my uh you know chuggy mug i will i will pose with it you will see it with me it wasn't just jack who has one and because it's just me hosting today that means we gotta tag someone in we need a co-host and i am thrilled to be joined by today's guest co-host uh you know somebody who is gonna drag me to the movie theaters for probably one of the most

memorable experiences of my life you may remember from the last time she was on but please welcome my co-host today the brilliant and talented hilarious joelle monique i am back on tbz all these new people are following me gonna try to be funny they say these fans are fucking sweet with jack on now it's up to me miles and i on a shoestring dz joelle's in here hey you probably don't know that song because it's brand new but i'm obsessed with it we're gonna going to talk about Olivia Rodrigo today. So I decided to do one of her songs and make some intro music. I have a whole new appreciation for the fans who write these because it was hard. It took time.

It was like an actual work ethic installed in this. And you're doing like custom content to like just dropped albums too. Yes. I'm trying to help, okay? I'm bringing the energy. I wasn't on the song track for a long time My brother shamed me He was like, you're not as good as Jamie

The bar has been set So I'm trying to meet it I'm trying to just be as good a co-host as Jamie You know what? That intro did not leave a sour taste in my mouth I'll tell you that Shout out to that album But first, we have to introduce our guest

This guest is just one of the absolute legends of the show I feel like I but first we have to introduce our guest this guest is just one of the absolute legends of the show i feel like i don't even have to say his name i should be like yo just start talking but i'm not going to do that i will give this person a proper intro this man is you know he's just he's near and dear to our hearts he's a brilliant comedian a wonderful musician uh and we'll get to actually talk about music today because when we're talking music, we got to have this man here. I am thrilled and we are thrilled to have our guest today, Mr. Chris Crofton. Hey, what's up? What's up, Miles?

Hi, Joel. I'm doing good. I'm doing pretty good. I'm doing pretty good. Nice. I mean, you know. Good to see you. Relative.

I got audio. I got audio. You sound butter, baby. I got audio. You sound butter, baby. Someone sent me a microphone. If you act helpless long enough, people will send you a clip. It's really true. It's a passive-aggressive way

to get through life. Finally, someone will be like, God damn it. Get out. Just here. Here, do this. Jesus. Wow. I've used that so long when i was in a band i could i don't know how to hook anything up so you stand there in just a big spaghetti pile of cords and then eventually someone will just have had enough and just come over and just say

give me these things yeah that's like how i never bought a pedal when i played like yeah i always have another guitar oh i would do the thing where I'm like, hold it up or plug it in backwards and then someone else will be like, give me that. I'll just ask a dude with a massive pedal board, what do you think I could throw on here to make it sound better? Oh, dude, dude, dude, dude. Oh, yeah.

And the next thing you know, I haven't paid for pedals. But I give them back. Either way, we digress. Chris, it's great to have you on. We've been saving so much we didn't even speak before we started recording because we had to save so much for the podcast we got to save it for the podcast which is now we're here it's the new talk to the hand i think it's better than chugi it's better than chugi come on chugi who invented that i don't know i'm so mad about chugi now we're getting i think this is going to require

like deeper analysis because i'm now i'm feeling a little dubious like where did this word come from who yeah is this a psyop from the fucking cia i don't know you know what i mean that thing's connected to the mainframe exactly but chris we're going to ask you a few more questions to learn even more about you. But first we've got to tell people what we're going to talk about first. We're going to talk about Maxine waters because you know, we've talked about Jim Clyburn and his, like what he was willing to negotiate with these police reform bills. It turns out Maxine waters is of the same belief.

We are thinking, what are you thinking? Jim Clyburn? No, we can't take qualified immunity off the table if we're looking for meaningful reform we'll check in with trump's little blog because it turns out it ain't shit um i know we've talked about some of the things that he's posted on his really cool word site but there's now the data that's looking at it and it's this is not great uh then we have to talk

we've convened just three great minds to discuss music and in particular the olivia rodrigo album sour which has taken over the internet has all this it's kicked off all kinds of intergenerational take warfare of like you think you didn't what do you mean there's no emo you don't know what look it's everything and nothing at the same time and this is probably the best three people to talk about this and chris you did actually you put your ear to that a little bit right i'm excited yeah i'm excited everybody needs a 52 year old white guy's perspective on olivia where you go yeah that's important this is and this is the place they're coming for it watch this number this episode is going to do numbers because they're they're gonna be like man i was checking out some of the bands that old white guy was trying to look they're coming for it. This episode is going to do numbers because they're going to be like,

man, I was checking out some of the bands that old white guy was trying to They're pretty good. It's hard to get their records. They're out of print and stuff. But there's going to be even more than that. But first, Chris, we got to ask you, our guest, our esteemed guest, what is something from your search history that is going to just show us even more of who you are

are you sure you want to ask of course you want to ask this question maybe yes well i mean i have this new podcast right so it's called cold brew got me like which is not surprising and a twitch show my yeah the twitch show thank. I'm not good at this. It's mostly actually a Twitch show. I'm like, it's the helpless thing. And I'm like, see, this guy's not even fucking promoting his Twitch show. And it's a Twitch show, right? I came on here specifically.

I said to Anna, can I get a Monday so I can say, because then the show goes on tomorrow, Tuesday. So then I can say, I can say, cold brew got me like tonight on Twitch at 630 Pacific. And guess what? I got to go to Disneyland tomorrow. So it's on Wednesday. There's a lot to break down there, Chris. We have to pause. Why do you have to go to Disney? What's going on?

It's a long story, but like a bunch of adult oh adult children that i'm friends with it's fine yeah la it's la i'll tell you why los angeles that's why it's like let's all go to disneyland when we're 40 and pretend i don't know pretend like 40 i thought you just said you're 52 chris don't start lying i'm not i am it even worse. But like the people who are mostly going are around 40. Sure. And they're going to do Acid. Yes.

Oh, Chris. You think that's good? Wait. Now everybody's going to be tuned into your social media. I want to go to Haunted Mansion on Acid. I would not like to ride the Guardians of the Galaxy, formerly Tower of Terror on Acid. That sounds like a freaking nightmare. Or it's a small world. i think please avoid those two rides you do not want to have someone have a breakdown there that's going to be a problem but but the jumbo ride on all the children

looking at you like you're nuts yeah fantastic anything that goes like we will feel really nice anything that's like what the fuck see joelle this is this is exciting for you because you're not 40 or 52 okay that's the thing is yeah for you to go i'm assuming you know you look like to me like you're 25 i'll take it chris thank you okay okay thank you so whatever you are you're certainly in the age group we're doing acid is you know maybe a fine decision yeah it's fun for me this would be the first time i if i decided to do acid it'd be the first time i did acid since 1991 i think if i'm gonna do that i might not want to jump right in at disneyland yeah yeah that's that's some security issues especially since and here's the thing that

surprises me is i don't understand how when you're and these people are my friends. They're nice people, but I don't know how they can go to something like Disneyland and like take acid and not like think about their credit rating and their relationship with their mom. And like Disney, you're an eternal child. I have seen full grown adults pop on somekey ears and take two drinks of whatever their liquor stuff is you like to drink at the tiki place before we get inside you know how i could see that acid hitting me in the way you're talking about chris is yes we're there in the happiest place and i've managed to avoid any like real thinking about maybe the ills of my life until you see like a 14 soda and then you're like yeah you'm about to pay for this. Yeah, or you see a family and I'm like, that's just like my family.

I can see their family dynamic. I feel for that teenager and then it's all over. Oh, right, right, right, right, right. You know what I mean? I'll be like, oh my God. You're like, I got to go talk to that young man. And everything will look like a cap, you know, every ride I'll be like, this is a capitalism robot hand.

This is a capitalism robot hand. You know, like that's my problem. Wake up, this is how you fucking end. Exactly. Yeah know, like, that's my problem. Wake up! This is hell, you fucking idiot! Exactly. Yeah, it's a small world after all. It's a capitalist world after all. More like, let me out of here. You know, and I'll ruin everybody's time.

You know, they'll be like, look at the pirates. And I'll be like, yeah, the pirates of the, you know, pirates of Amazon, pirates of Jeff Bezos. The pirates of American imperialism. Yeah, why don't they call every ride in here Jeff Bezos' anus? Wait, so Chris, are you playing babysitter to all of your 40-year-old acid-dropping friends? Well, this is the thing that, like, two years ago I did this already, but I had—I've only been one other time, and I had a friend with me who wasn't doing acid. So we could be like, it's okay, these people are, you know—I mean, I have a picture from all of us on Space Mountain, because, like, Space Mountain does those automatic pictures, you know i mean i have a picture from all of us on space mountain because like space mountain does those automatic pictures you know like and like you know i'm you know you can see the ass of

people because they're like yeah their eyes are like so much more out of this yeah you know what i mean i'm like this is a fun roller coaster and they're like i don't know i don't know what they're you know they're thinking about i guess aztecs or something like that. That's what it looked like in their eyes. You know, they're looking at it like they're like... They did spiritual shit. They were getting way more out of it. But they weren't getting like what I was... See, if I did acid, I swear I would ruin everybody's time because I would just be like,

this is the military industrial complex. I mean, that's all I would do. I seriously would be. I'd be like, Walt Disney was an anti-Semite. At least you know yourself well enough. Well, Hall of Presidents is another thing I think to avoid because the animatronics and that. I love that Joelle's like on her own.

Joelle's already there. Yeah, without being there, you're like, oh! Joelle's there right now already. Joelle's like looking around. No, I'm not going in there. I'm not going to the Hall of Presidents. Slavers! The lot of you! Slavers, I say! I like how you spent your whole day in there

teaching the children the real truth you're like we need one black people to be free just turn into a whole hotel the hall of residence is soaked in racist blood

I'm like oh this guy sucks they're like frontier land let's burn this shit down totally I mean seriously I would end up

in a straitjacket in the security office. They're like, sir, I'm sorry. He just read some Howard Zinn and did some acid. Yeah, yeah. Where's the Howard Zinn, Ryan? Fuck heads. All that to say, so what was in your search history, Chris?

Okay, well, what happened was since I've had this Cold Brew Got Me Like this week is on Wednesday on Twitch. That's tomorrow. If you're listening today on Tuesday, the show is on tomorrow on Twitch. It's called Cold Brew Got Me Like, and you go to Twitch at 630 Pacific, 730 Mountain, 830 Central, 930 Eastern, which is funny. Some people got mad. They're like, just don't put Pacific. How am I supposed to know when it is? And I'm like, fuck, Jesus.

They're like, I'm busy. I'm busy. So I said, save it for the podcast. And then I was like, get back to now. I don't have one. Doesn't matter. It's a metaphor. It's talk to the hand. It's not really about podcasts. Anyway, it's a metaphor exactly it's talk to the hand it's not really about podcasts anyway it's a long story i'm in prison now because i went to disneyland on acid when i was 52

it really doesn't matter political disney disney 20 years we're calling them just for getting so mad at the hall of presidents i didn't lie. What did I say was even a lie? Wouldn't that be so cool if you got like tased it, like it's a small world after all, like ruined everybody's day. You'd be the folk here.

I mean, honestly, Chris, you should launch your relaunch. Cold Brew got me like by getting, you know, in an altercation with Disney security for talking the truth in front of kids. Acid got me like, oh, that's a terrible idea. You guys should watch Song of the South before you get on Splash Mountain. Tell me what you think.

Sir. Am I lying? Oh, fucking hell, yeah. Am I wrong? Am I wrong? Am I wrong? All right, back off, guys. I'll settle down.

Hey, little kids kids you know what strange fruit is you know what nina simone was talking about in that song they're like what is he what is he doing this guy is not in the spirit of the park the spirit of this park is money and this is not part of it this is about money i don't know if this guy understands this um okay so cold brew got me like i have to find videos okay so we get it cold got me like you guys your twitch show you find your favorite youtube i find videos okay so my search history is me looking for videos now because i realized that i have like 15 videos that i like and then there's like a there's then

there's a big drop off like i have some classics like everybody's got a bunch of youtube videos they like you know and i have a bunch of weird ones that i like but now i've been kind of having to look a little deeper so my search history is getting weirder and weirder. I'm like, the weirdest thing I've put in is like, Diner Audio 1980. I have sort of fantasy things that'll never come up. You wish were there. Yeah, yeah. Diner Conversation 1980. Right, right, right. Tori Amos, 4K, 1992. That's what you look for? Yo, you know what's funny? That's so different than what I look for yo you know what's you know what's funny different than what

i look that's you know what though that's not a lie chris i know there is that's why it's you can watch a tori amos performance from the montreux jazz festival in like 1990 or some shit and these japanese people brought a fucking 4k camera there that Hell yeah, that's incredible. And shot, and it's the most surreal shit to see the Montreux Jazz Festival in the early 90s in fucking 4K. Because you're not, like, seeing, you know, that era in that kind of sort of digital resolution is jarring.

Anyway. Well, yeah, it's like watching, I know, I know. That was in Japan? That was in Japan? No, Montreux in switzerland oh but you said a japanese person brought the camera because like a japanese company at the time was testing like hd cameras there's a lot of experimental hd stuff like i've noticed at

the montreux jazz festival because i think japanese people love jazz oh yeah and jazz people are all yeah and i think technology if you're a jazz drummer also like you're most there's a like a one in three chance you're married to a japanese person that's just the law shout out to all my homies shout out to shout out to maya erskine and her father peter erskine you know legendary jazz drummer for weather report um oh weather report i love what you talk about you talk about weather report almost every show i feel like or at least everyone i'm on they come up which i think is so interesting they have to cut the parts out when i want to talk about joe's avenue that's all they do that's all they do to me yeah all those guys are probably amazing it guys they probably invented

4k when they were taking a break from playing jazz like jazz is very deeply tied into technology 100 so this is technically the best music this is technically the best music. This is technically the best music. That's what they say at the Montreux Jazz. So you're a German. Sorry, what else were you looking for? It's the most precise. It's the most precise. You have to say. That's what Germans say.

It's the most precise music. It is no room for error. Which is not true. Okay, so anyway, I just look up tons of videos. And I'll just tell you one of them I found recently is this guy named Super Joe Reed, who is a stunt. I really like Daredevils because I grew up. I was eight years old in 1977, which was prime time for Evil Knievel. So I like looking up. But there's other Daredevils, too.

You know, I found this guy named Super Joe Reeded which we talked about a couple shows ago and uh on cold brew got me like the uh twitch show and uh super joe reed is uh he's obsessed with jumping over helicopters that are running like with a motorcycle and he also but this this particular one i know we got a lot to get to so i won't do this too long so super joe reed uh had a motorcycle jump that someone videoed definitely not in 4k in like 1996 turns out the daredevils are lagging behind the jazz festivals not surprisingly yeah they're using a camcorder or whatever the hell it was full full size with a giant videotape in it super joe reed anyway jumped over a couple helicopters he hired some female daredevils which he was really into he was just like they're female he's like jumped over a couple of helicopters. He hired some female daredevils, which he was really into. He was just like, they're female.

He's like, there's a couple of females. They're going to jump this helicopter. You know, totally sexist. And why aren't they just regular motorcycle jumpers, Super Joe Reed? He's like, because it's 1996. So this guy jumped over these. He kept saying how there were no tricks. There were no tricks.

There's no tricks. Those are real helicopters. But my favorite thing. But the trick was that he dug a pit for the helicopter to fly through. So it's like basically almost underground so they could jump in. Okay. But he kept saying no tricks. So whenever, whenever anybody says no tricks, there's definitely tricks because if there's no tricks, you don't have to say no tricks.

You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying, Miles? Yeah. I mean, we just went through the Trump administration. We know. Yeah. We know what's going on. We went through. We're savvy Miles. Yeah, exactly. I mean, we just went through the Trump administration. Yeah, we know what's going on. We're savvy.

We're savvy now. So anyway, this guy, yeah, so it's funny that on video you can see that because you're like, how's he going to jump over a running helicopter? And the answer is you make the ramps go above the helicopter and the helicopter kind of goes through a gully. Anyway, so he kept going, no tricks, no tricks. And then the best part, part though is he yelled about permits forever he was like i don't even care if anyone could do this jump no one could do this jump first of all but second of all no one could do this jump because they wouldn't be able to get the permits you know how long it took me to get the permits you get a pilot a bonded pilot and

a license you get a military helicopter you get permissions for the canyon you get permissions for the desert you think so i just love the idea of a bunch of old daredevils sitting around being like you know what the real stunt is getting the permits the permits yeah i see you pull that off any asshole can kill themselves jumping over a helicopter he's like not only is this there's no trick to this i'm jumping over a helicopter with two females. But on top of that, you know, I'd like to even see you get the permits for this kind of jump. So the real stunt is the permits. I love it. Chris, what's something that you think is overrated? Celebrities.

Oh, wow. Yes. Even though you have a famous Twitch show, Cold Brew Got Me Like On Tuesdays. Even though I myself have wanted my whole life to be a celebrity because i thought it would solve all my problems my whole life i thought that i wanted to be a celebrity because it would give me love without me having to do any work right i have found out that also i used to be an alcoholic joel you don't know so as part of my alcoholism i was like what better way to be an alcoholic, Joelle. You don't know. So as part of my alcoholism, I was like, what better way to be an alcoholic than be a celebrity? Because then you have handlers.

You have like a team, you know, of enablers. R.E.J. met his wife that way. Who did? Robert Downey Jr.'s wife was his handler. There you go. And that's exactly right. Because I don't want to have to meet people. I don't want to have to like put myself out there.

I just want my handler to fall in love with me because I'm a celebrity. Done. That's exactly right. That's what I wanted. And I'll always have love and I'll never have to do any work. And no rejection.

No rejection. Who's going to leave that orbit? Everyone's favorite place on Earth. The land of no rejection and failure. Exactly. Also the land of no action as well. It's weird how that works. Right.

But I mean, no one's going to leave your orbit if you're a celebrity because it's unlimited snacks. Until your Twitch show Cold Brew Got Me Like doesn't start doing as well as it used to. Then you'll see who's your real friends.

There's always a cliff bar within reach when you're a celebrity for free. And that's enough to keep your significant other around, even if you're a monster. Even if you're a monster. Even if you're a monster. You're like, he freebases all the time, but I get free Clif bars. Yeah.

And these like backpacks we get for free. I don't know. Yeah. And free backpacks. We'll like cologne and stuff. And like free. You need it too? Holly was overrun with them.

Yeah. I have a coffee mug that you can charge your phone by plugging your phone into it. I got it. Amazing. I got it at the kids choice awards so anyway the idea that celebrities uh first of all yeah because as an addict you're thinking i used to honestly think that like listen if i get out of hand i can go to a you know a mud bath or whatever it promises yeah you know right and they'll just call it exhaustion right and then i can go back to my

other lifestyle so and they'll also like i can go to the doctor whenever I want. And they can check if I'm dying or whatever. And then they say, you're not dying. And then I can do coke. They'll also just fill out descriptions for you. Whatever pill you want. They got you. Yeah, you're not dying.

But your heart can't handle any kind of amphetamines. I will say that. You don't. Yeah, all right, doc. But I'm not dying. That's all I wanted to hear. Oh, right. It's not a deep.

No, it's not. It's a good idea. Any of it. None of it's a good idea at all. I mean's a terrible idea yeah that i'm gonna do coke and then find out if i'm still alive and then do coke again but i really wanted i thought figured if you're rich you could have a doctor in your house i mean look at michael jackson poor michael jackson and his own doctor who's like you know give me propofol and he's like i can't say no to the king of pop yeah what are What are we going to say no to someone? Yeah. I was like, put me to sleep, motherfucker. Say no at all. But yeah, put me to sleep.

What did you. So what happened? Did you come out the other side? What's your vision now that you have this take? So here's my take. My take is that it was seeing the it was seeing the Academy Awards and it was lovely because it looked ridiculous. It looked ridiculous. Everyone involved in it looked ridiculous it looked ridiculous everyone involved in it looked like an egomaniac no one wanted to see uh glenn close do the butt or

whatever the hell she was doing yeah it's because they're fools celebrities are nothing but the worst of us in a way i mean you know i'm not saying they're not talented some of my love but the culture is absurd and this pandemic revealed celebrities to be just what they are, which is completely narcissistic versions of ourselves. And once they were stuck at home, they just look like assholes because they were just top of the pandemic? That's exactly what I was thinking. In my head was Gal Gadot when I was thinking that shit right there. Yes. It's like this person just spends too much time on their makeup and their hair. This is not someone that should be my hero. They aren't even doing their own makeup and hair.

Listen, celebrities have far too much time because people will A, organize their life. B, they're the revenue stream for like at least six people once you're like at a certain level of celebrity and those people are gonna make sure you get to where you need to go so don't worry about driving anywhere they're gonna send a car for you uh your hair and makeup they'll do that if you haven't showered they might even scrub you or they'll just deal with your stink whatever is easiest for the general team right they're gonna pick up your clothes you don't have to worry about that people we talked about this the other day we were offended when a celebrity came to our office and had to pay for their own parking mortified we're like what's happening why did that happen

they can't pay they couldn't possibly this person exponentially wealthier than any of us and it's the whole world opens up to you and it's like on the one hand you don't want to feel bad for celebrity because they have all of the options right and so of course not but at the same time world opens up to you and it's like on the one hand you don't want to feel bad for a celebrity because they have all of the options right and so of course not but at the same time like that world is so preconditioned that once you like if you're even just a little bit talented and you somehow get swept up into this thing like that's it you're off the extra exceptional celebrity may be like you know what i don't like a shenado connor was like i was really smart to tear up that picture of the pope because i just got to go back home and show where that's where I like.

Yeah, that was interesting. Like I made a smarter decision for my career by stepping out of the spotlight. She got canceled so hard. She's like the only person who really got canceled in history. Well, there's a few articles. I saw that. I don't know if you remember Sinead O'Connor. That was a cancellation.

Oh, yeah. She got fucked just for ripping up picture of the pope which is completely righteous there's nothing wrong with I mean in retrospect it's like yeah and even at the time I was like who cares about the goddamn pope it's like tearing up a picture of Queen Elizabeth and now we have congress people who are like well they may have been 17 at the time I don't know is it trafficking and we're over here like I don't know yes no yes it is trafficking there's not debate for this but to your point about the celebrity thing yeah it's

you know on some level it's like sure the people themselves that they become whatever celebrity culture makes them right you know because it's not that they're like on some level yes some people who get reached that level of celebrity will begin to really i think switch gears into what they believe a celebrity is and then you always have to look for people who try and maintain their humanity through it oh yeah there are like versions where i'm surprised at how like humble some people are not to say that it's all varying depending on who you are but that there's also just like this thing that they also are uncomfortable with what celebrity culture is and what that means to other people where some like you know you'll meet people like nah i'm just i'm just a person thank you so much like i can get

that thanks no shout out to all the celebrities who refuse to show their kids uh i feel like that's mainly who we're talking about celebrities are like no my child is not a commodity it's a person can you please leave him alone? Let him develop in private. But I think we also are learning, like you're saying, Chris, too, that when we own egos that we wish to maybe be or can't be. Therefore, it's easy to be invested in this version of a person that we think, you know, it's. Also, to be sympathetic to them, the new media landscape has made it so like, say, the Oscars. It used to be like Best Picture. You really were often like, oh, wow, those people really did some work, you know?

And now Best Picture is like Mario Kart starring. You know what I mean? It's like Glenn Close. I don't even know why Glenn Close did Da Butt. I didn't even watch it, but I saw, you know, all the takes, of course, because I'm a take addict. She and Questlove are best friends, and he called her up, and he was like, yo, Glenn, please, please do this for the culture. Are they best friends? No, they're not.

I'm making this story up. I was like, that's a better version of Snoop and Martha. Glenn Close and Questlove. I'm like, that's kind of a very elevated duo there. I'm actually like, I want to see that dinner party. So anyway, my punchline that I wrote down was basically, during the pandemic, I found out that the real celebrities are deer and bears. Wait.

From hiking. From hiking. I was so much more excited. You know who's got more to offer? You know who's got more to offer than Glenn Close doing Da Butt? A deer. A real deer. In the forest so what

i'm saying is i just realized that the real celebrities are animals yeah like actual animals in nature birds and shit i'm so much more excited to see a bear i saw bears joel i went i went hiking a bunch during the pandemic for the first time and that was just a shift you know what i mean i mean my point my i guess my point was you know what i mean i mean my point my i guess my point was you know what who's not i don't want to see i love that i'm just making this all about glenn close doing i don't want to see i didn't i didn't even see it i just saw the takes i never see anything i just see the takes uh so i never watch anything anyway except for enough time except for i'm too busy looking for a diner audio from 1976 right man ordering

eggs 1974 rough audio raw raw footage of man ordering eggs so anyway i i just think that for me there was a shift toward like uh you know away from celebrity culture which i liked because i like celebrities too and i love pop culture but it just shifting to the woods, literally, you know, it was kind of fun. I'm waiting for the first bare Vogue cover. Exactly. I would vote for Christian Siriano to style it. Let's go.

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And we're back. Finally, Chris, what's something that you think is underrated? Underrated is abandoned mind videos um chris who's the goal today i'm not kidding so i started watching this is the other thing uh joelle's like during the uh pandemic like i'm always really deep into youtube because i'm sober and i really don't like like to leave the house anymore so i like watch youtube and then during the pandemic i got i used to watch mud larking that was my main thing that's in england the thames river the mud it's 2000 that's a 2000 year old city so the mud

of the thames river is just loaded with clay pipes yeah and and and and and it's mostly clay pipes they find just tremendous amounts of clay pipes and and i found out from when i broke my hip i broke my hip a couple years ago oh shit no i watched mudlarking a lot during that and so through this show nicola white mudlark who it turned out was like speaking of celebrities a fan of the daily zeitgeist like connected us on twitter and i about talk about celebrities i about had a heart attack anyway she's a mudlarker anyway so but i started watching abandoned mine videos which is where these people go in mines and there's a million mines i guess mining used to be a huge thing haha it was like a billion mines like the whole country was mining up until like they invented bitcoin or whatever so they yeah now it's like mining whatever virtual

mining and mario kart and everything and um so so wait for your crypto podcast mario coins or something. Everybody, now you can buy stuff with Mario Kart, which is bullshit. And that's what I was trying to explain to Disneyland before I got tased. So anyway, I've been really kind of into these Abandoned Mind videos. It's one of these things where I started watching them, like, look through Abandoned Minds. And I've talked about it on this show before. And in the beginning, I was like, this is bullshit. There's only like three things you can find in there like a old ore cart right you know

predictable or like a shovel or whatever and they're like it's a riveted shovel that means it's old i mean it's really just pointing at things and being like that's old that's old which is like what i like to do actually in real life i love old stuff and just being like that's old ah that's definitely old or maybe it's not oh yes Oh, yes, it is. So anyway, I've gotten really into abandoned mine videos to the point that I know every term for a mine. I could basically do everything in a mine except for actually mine. Oh, like if you had to be a spy, like go undercover, you're talking that talk, you're saying? I could do any of it. Hit me with a miner. Hit me with a miner. Like blend in right now.

Be like, hey, Chris, what kind of mines you work in before? Oh, just ones with lots of stopes. hit me with some hit me with a mic like linden right now i'll be like hey chris hey chris uh what kind of mines you working before oh just ones with lots of stopes i mean there's a tremendous amount of stopes and there's a winds and there's drifts uh and um you know what kind of equipment what kind of equipment you've been on pneumatic drills i mean pneumatic drills obviously uh you know there's a lot of pressurized air and uh um we're using you sometimes we uh sometimes we uh hey contact hey hey chris don't drift off man look me in the eyes man because we got a lot of spies coming in here to this mine the government's been trying to fuck up our operation and you know meet me at the winds

meet me at the winds and we'll talk about it we'll sneak up into a stope and we'll talk about it and anybody who knows about mines knows exactly what i'm saying yeah meet you in the stope behind the stall i mean i know every goddamn thing there is to know in a mine i know how old shit is like if you if i look at an ore car if it's riveted it's pre-1900 if it's not riveted it's welded it's a later one okay i mean what's the best if you want to get into mining videos where's the best place to start what videos should we be looking at i like western mind detective because he seems like he goes in there with very little equipment like there's some guys that go in there like they're like armed for you know they look like

spacemen when they go in there this guy kind of just goes in in a pair of shorts with a flashlight just starts running around oh yeah okay and i want to do it now and if anybody wants to once my podcast once my twitch cast gets to a million viewers we're going to start doing uh you know mindfulness mindfulness weekends in abandoned minds we got to get you an irl stream rig so you can go stream live from a mine shaft yeah and they can watch me go might go looking into abandoned mines that's the new cold brew got me like i want to do it that's nothing more cold brew than that and that's i relate to these people i mean they got nothing you know it's like they're looking for mystery they're hoping to find something but they found

an ore cart called pointing at stuff saying it's old yeah kind of show that's is that a skip car there's a something called the skip car too which looks like an orc cart and they love looking at those and being like, I think that's a skip car. I'm pretty sure that looks like an orc cart but I'm pretty sure that's a skip car. That is a skip car or it's maybe an orc cart. Hey, either way you gotta watch the videos to be able

to say it unequivocally. I just said, yeah, Western Mind Detective is the one I gave you know, all I can say is they have more to offer than they first if you just dipped your toe into abandoned mind videos and you're like ah this isn't for me go back again speaking of bygone structures that are abandoned and of little use let's talk about the congress um and specifically as it relates to police reform uh today is the anniversary of uh george George Floyd's killing.

And Joe Biden was really looking forward to signing a police reform bill, one that they passed in the House that had all kinds of reforms in it, including banning chokeholds, certain kinds of no knock warrants like the ones that led to the death of Breonna Taylor and even ending the practice or the doctrine of qualified immunity, which is a huge one. It's the reason why many police are able to get away with all the bullshit that they do is because they can never because of qualified immunity, they're protected from facing any kind of civil lawsuits and being financially liable. And we've seen what happens with when it comes to a criminal case. It rarely happens unless we have video of the entire thing, unfortunately, like in the case of George Floyd's death. So we talked recently about how Representative Jim Clyburn, who's just, again, a monster in the House of Representatives, one of the just legendary black congresspeople who, you know, has outsized influence in the House,

he went out and said that he was willing to negotiate qualified immunity, that that was on the table. Like more than chokeholds or anything qualified, like getting rid of qualified immunity is massively important. It completely changes the game in terms of what you can face. Now, a quick little refresher on qualified immunity. Now, a quick little refresher on qualified immunity. Now, this is actually coming out of 1871 civil rights law that made a first.

It made government officials. They were liable financially. If you violated someone's constitutional rights, you were on the hook for those kinds of offenses. But then in a series of rulings in the late 1960s. Oh, what timing? The late. What kind of the late and woodstock so the supreme court decided that an officer is immune from liability unless it can be shown that he or she broke quote clearly established law in the process this creates a world where all of the burden is on the plaintiff and if you don't have if a case wasn't tried with nearly identical sets of details, it would be easy for them to throw the case out.

So let's say there may have been a settled dispute where someone was tased while handcuffed. Let's say you were pepper sprayed while handcuffed. You couldn't point to that and say, well, in this case, it was decided because they'll say, well, this isn't the exact same set of circumstances. I know they may be similar, but unfortunately you cannot bring this case against this officer. And yeah, to your point, Joelle, yeah, the 60s, huh? So they needed to protect

the police so they could violate people's civil rights as they were fighting for their own civil right? America. Never before needed to protect cops like this you know it's a pretty it's a pretty even line before and now who you know black people are scary what's happening well now and you know this is the thing now we're living in a world where most decent people are looking at what's going on in this country and the world say how the fuck can a cop just get

away with this kind of shit like how you know, how, you know, like, that's actually a question. I was like, how is this possible? And a huge, huge factor in all that is because they won't face any kind of money trouble, any financial liability or being able to be taken to court for maiming or killing somebody. So this just brings me back to Clyburn. And I just got to say, Maxine Waters, she came out and she said i absolutely think it's not why would you come out and say that you're that's on the table how do you negotiate like that why are you saying this really important thing is up for discussion um and so i just want to play her

response because after a few other democrats have said well you know we don't want the perfect to be the enemy of the good i guess we could just pass it because you want to negotiate with Republicans. Here's Maxine Waters' response to all that. But I'm not giving up on qualified immunity. I do not want to send any message to anybody that I'm willing to support legislation that does not have it in it. I think we've got to be tough. We've got to be consistent and understand that we've got to hold police officers accountable. Even since the death of George Floyd, we've continued to have killings of black unarmed men in particular. And so these police officers know that they have the support of the police unions. They have the support of city council members who are

intimidated by the police unions, police chiefs who have read that if they don't go along, they can't be chief. And even some mayors. I'm so proud of those mayors that are willing to stand up and fight and for the police chiefs that are willing to stand up and fight. But history tells us that they have been intimidated too long, given in too much. And the police don't believe that they're going to be held accountable. That's why even after George Floyd, they continue to kill. And so I want qualified immunity out. There it is. Pretty clear. That's one of the reasons. So much damn emotion in her voice and it's so hard to

hear black elders like being emotional about this shit because you know that it's been going on like their whole life yeah and their parents whole life and they had and i think the 60s super poisonous and just in that like there was such like inspiration and chance for hope and like people really thought shit was gonna change and by the 80s it was just so very clear that it wasn't gonna change and then in the 90s there was like a resurgence and they were like okay for real this time though y'all for real and then uh you know it's still not happening and there's so many waves of just like how many times you have to go through this very basic shit before we could all just get on board and be like you know it's really not cool

for cops to just shoot people like that's it like that's the whole that's the length of the argument it's like it's like you can't be an executioner that's not your job your job is to kill like what the fuck and these are the i think the fractures in the party for democrats that just become clearer and clearer and clearer you know the progressive agenda isn't the, you know, for those pushing a progressive agenda, they're not as bashful as they used to be in recent years because it's easy to get silenced by the establishment wing of the party. Just be like, Oh, they're a fringe thing. Please don't. That's just a distraction.

Now people are coming out, you know, unequivocally about what are we doing? You know, because for the, for all of the, uh, incrementalism that politicians love in DC, all the incremental change, that glacial pace, every second that ticks by is a life that's potentially lost because we're not willing to just solve the problems that are so clear,

even to the point where we're like, why is this? How is this possible? What are we? Huh? And yeah, there's too many massive structures in place to to uh yeah so allow for that change that's what i'm thinking about like jim cliburn i was just reading a little bit about him about his positions in the past you know he he initially voted against gay marriage and then you know came around his position evolved uh there of all he's had evolving positions like every

senator and congressperson because they have to because they're part of the power structure and their the power structure is in place because of the police largely i mean the police are frightening and have been militarized and democrats and republicans have watched as military surplus military equipment was was transferred to the police i mean at a good rate at a good rate they got a good deal on that stuff though oh yeah i mean yeah so like you know like my hometown where there's no crime at all has like armored troop carriers and shit right and you know so i don't know you know i think jim clyburn just like with all of them are under background forces that are because it makes, of course, perfect sense to get rid of qualified immunity.

It's that's a deranged thing to have. I think, yeah. The other thing is just they don't understand what political capital they have. Like to even say, I think like to to them, they look at it like this is how it works in the Hill. You have a bill. You just kind of show your card to the media. You start working out, you know, you kind of got to give this up to get the other thing because then down the road you're going to make this ask or whatever but all of that triangulation is just so cynical it's just so slow moving that it doesn't allow for real substantive change because you're trying to do all this triangulation when you could just be like look this is the position if not well it would make sense in in a system that didn't have exclusively two parties specifically one of which is consistently

acts in bad faith like you can't it's it's wild to me when we hear democrats talk about like oh well we're gonna we're really working with republicans but the republicans aren't working with y'all like it's always a one-sided like we'll give a little here we'll give a little there i don't understand how especially when the data shows that the majority of americans period are interested in these kinds of reforms why they can't just stand in their truth on that like i don't understand because they're not going to ever come to your yeah i think it's the culture of politician and is changing that's why we see younger people entering the house who are more progressive are like they're just going to they're going to sign on to letters who are they're trying to be more vocal and things like that. Whereas many other people like, well, it's just you don't want to do too much too soon. And it's like this isn't that's not how it works.

Too many people are dying because too little is being done too late. So the Republicans are absolutely deranged. I mean, they've proved themselves. I don't even you can't I don't even call them up. It's not they don't deserve to be called a party anymore. I mean, honestly, absolutely not. They are. They are.

After the January 6th thing and them just trying to ignore that it happened. I mean, you know, this is and after they stoked it and then it happened and now they're just pretending it didn't happen at all as if i mean really an authoritarian like george orwell type it didn't happen like it just didn't happen the way you saw it but it's money in politics i mean jim cliburn like the rest of them need corporate money to get elected they need lots of it and that's underlying it all until the reason why these progressives can't be progressive is because until there is money out of politics in a significant way, we will never get anything different than this bullshit. It just because

these people are not until you need less than five hundred million dollars to get elected. You're never going to get people that you want in there who are really going to be able to make moves because they are beholden and i know that's nothing new to say but i mean it's like there's so much money in politics yeah there shouldn't be any money in politics i mean you look at the sums that are spent to just have joe biden in office for the little drips and drabs of progress you get you're like man and like imagine just one person one person gives you a million dollars and says my brother's a policeman i'll give you this money but you ever take away qualified immunity i mean and then you take

that voice and apply it to like dow chemical telling you that or you know being like listen we like our plants we We like our pipelines. We don't want people fucking with them. And police will not beat the fuck out of these people protesting the pipelines if there's no more qualified immunity. You know, there's and they have to consider that even if they don't want to and they know what's wrong. They have to or else they won't get elected.

And that's because of fucking money in politics. And I know that's not, you know, a wild take, but it's just like. No, but I think it goes it. It shows the absurdity of the system in general, you know a wild take but it's just like no but i think it goes it it shows the absurdity of the system in general you know that there are such simple things that can be done that could optimize it i mean but more than anything because of the like sort of capitalist class of people that are able to manipulate all of our policy because they have all this all these resources that's just that perversion isn't going to be able to give them explicit tools given

to them like dark money packs and things. I mean, they've made it easier and easier for people, even people from other countries or, you know, they say no foreign. I mean, there's no way to know who donates. Oh, no. Even with a 501 C4, by design,'re made they're made for people who hate who never want to have who love sadists who love to see police beat people donate to these packs yeah and there's a new there's there's been new analysis too of like what sort of the new conservative donor

looks like and it's like a lot of these like wealthy boomer business owner people who have a lot of money from their like own businesses small businesses but enough to give in the millions who are hell-bent on you know keeping their racist grandparents rants alive uh through who they put in office really quickly i just want to touch on a little bit of good news which is trump's's blog. It's an absolute fucking turd, failure, nonsense. It's like everything else he's ever done in life. It's a blog. Yeah.

It's completely, it has become irrelevant. I love that. They are looking at sort of what kind of mentions he used to get, right? And what the height was in the fucking 60 million numbers. it's it's ridiculous he's down to like basically beginnings of the 2016 presidential campaign levels of like

mentions uh it's like wonderful really really low and to the point where like there's people who this computer science professor uh megan squire the way she described it is he's whistling in the wind people just aren't people just aren't following him to his little desk platform and we can see that in the numbers the difference is ridiculous he doesn't have that same ability i hope the name of his blog is whistling in the wind yeah it's wrong whistling in the wind that's too smart you're giving too much credit he would never oh no uh but then he says he doesn't have the same ability anymore doesn't have the same ability to constantly put his content in people's faces the way he did before and it's like he's kind of panicking too because he doesn't know what to do because he knows

it's not hitting like he used to he can't even start to get arrested too he's got mounting legal fees and they're saying about to get arrested the one they point at look at all these other conservative platforms that were created you know a lot of conservatives like tried to create these alternative social media platforms because cancel culture and they tried to predict like oh if we can just get trump to use our product then we're gonna be fucking killing it but the thing is they keep asking him to endorse one of these and he won't because he looks at them as like lesser less than like sort of analogs to like twitter so he's like no it's like an off-brand twitter i'm not gonna do it like he he still gets that he wants to be on twitter and it doesn't matter even if they give him money they say that might change because to your point Chris legal fees

but at the moment he's like you know it's like when your parents like we have McDonald's at home he's like we don't have McDonald's at home we have parlor whatever the fuck it is it's not Twitter mom it's bullshit which is now his whole team is trying to work on

something they're calling Trump media group which they hope to launch in the summer. It will include a new social media platform. And they say they talk to Trump regularly about it and they're getting updates on it. But the final product is not ready yet. OK, several points. Why would anyone in their right mind try to launch a social media app this summer? We're going to be wilding.

Who the hell is looking for a new social media platform right now it's shot girl summer i love it i love joelle with the practical side of it just like first of all just a plain old business i'm gonna be chasing bears in the woods this is not the time to be launching an app what makes twitter great is the discourse and you're not going to bring liberals to a trump supported app it's just not going to happen and so it's going to be like when they put private servers up for like nazis on video games they're like nazism fine you go to that server with all the other nazis and live in that little hole and everybody else will leave you alone and it'll be great there's no way you're not going to get the discourse,

which is what makes social media juicy in the first place. Who's that for? Why are you doing this? I just, it's annoying to me that he can be so bad at business and get so many chances. I can be at least 15% better at business than Trump. I didn't go to business school.

I'm terrible with money. Give me some money. I will make a plan for you. It'll be better. Not much, but a little bit. It's amazing what- I love that. so interesting it's amazing what i love that you know the the right i love that right melanin levels and generational wealth can do for you you know i love that so much i love that that analysis because like this is the thing the funny thing about this is i've been thinking this but i didn't really

understand it's just because he's old like i love their launching this summer like just the whole idea that they're gonna need all that time like um like someone younger would have this would have had this thing up and running like the day he was out that or convinced him to pivot to something it's because they're using you know they're using their crony network of people's nephews and cousins to design this shit and it's gonna be a piece of shit and it's gonna take forever i just i'm just gonna love when they're like oh my god the maga world bled him dry like even the little bit of money he had like they completely just jason miller's son is really good at the internet so he's designing the new trump blog and he's like wait i'm just looking at the

accounting you gave that kid 30 million dollars to develop a fucking yeah a skin for a wordpress site oh and he's hanging out with Matt Gaetz? Oh, fuck, where did that money go? Yeah, it's... Anyway, let's wrap this section up and we'll come back for some riveting discourse on the music of our generation right after this. I've been thinking about you.

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You gotta watch us. No, you mean you have to listen to us. I mean, you can still watch us, but you gotta listen. Like, if you're watching us, you have to watch us. No, you mean you have to listen to us. I mean, you can still watch us, but you got to listen. Like if you're watching us, you have to tell us. Like if you're out the window, you have to say, hey, I'm watching you outside of the window. Just just you know what? Listen to the Amber and Lacey Lacey and Amber show on Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. and we're back i guess i will i will start off by talking about this new album from my perspective as a completely ignorant older millennial person i know that olivia rodrigo had an album come out called sour i saw the memes that said millennials

are feeling like little emo kids again and i said okay that's interesting i did hear i know of this song driver's license and that's all i knew prior to listening to this uh album because i just knew it was a you know that's what we do here on The Daily Zeitgeist. It's part of it. We gotta dabble in it. We gotta dip our toe in. So, Joelle, lead us in this discussion now of Olivia Rodrigo's Sal. Okay, listen. As we prepare to

enter a world determined to reestablish the status quo after we've learned so much how life can change and be better. As we enter a world where everyone is horny as bunnies and relationships are going to be mute for at least the next six months we could all use a heavy dose of teen angst and heartbreak hey olivia rodrigo is here to even the scales of whatever is about to be this summer okay famous for her turn on high school musical the musical the tv series one of

the greatest titles for a television show ever, and later for her whirlwind romance with co-star Joshua Bennett, allegedly but allegedly, which she allegedly chronicled in her first song, Driver's License, Olivia Rodrigo has one of the most epic introductions to pop stardom since Lady Gaga. Now, like Lady Gaga,

whose fabulously wealthy parents and connections in the industry didn't stop the world from viewing her as the hot new thing from out of nowhere rodrigo as olivia hornwright wrote for pitchfork has been on tv for roughly a third of her life and is signed with the biggest record company in the world and everyone views her as an underdog right so rodrigo is heavily inspired by taylor switch which you can hear all throughout Sour is about your first major heartbreak and all of the angst that comes with that. Mixes heavy guitars, orchestral strings, Rodrigo, and collaborative writer Daniel Negro. Intro of the album with one of my new favorite bangers, Brutal.

If you didn't catch it, that was my intro song. It was inspired by the song Brutal. If you've ever been a 17-year-old girl, I was, this album will shoot you back to your final year of high school where you were impatiently waiting for life to begin with lyrics like, I'm so insecure I think that I'll die before I drink and I'm so sick of 17, where's my fucking teenage dream? The anxious, hormone-riddled, insecure feelings come rushing back

but so does the power of the fuck it, the feeling that you'll never die and the whole world lays before you if only you could figure out where to start. The two minute and 23 second power jam blows out the eardrum and revives the inner brat, drama queen, jerk lover hiding beneath our practice manners and it's so, so,

so good. The album launched after Rodrigo dropped a music video for Good For You, which was directed by Petra Collins. DC fans already know my love for Hayiley from Paramore, and there's definitely inspiration laced throughout the song. Chia Leader Aesthetics, a la Nirvana's Teen Spirit, and Avril Lavigne's video is pop punk perfection. They light her bedroom on fire, and then they flood it at the same time.

Teens have so many emotions. Driver's License spent eight weeks at the top of Billboard's Hot 100. The piano-heavy power ballad is rumored to be about Rodrigo's relationship with Bennett, as I mentioned at the top, but that's not been confirmed. Online sleuths have been hard at work decoding old IG posts between the stars. We're going to leave speculation to the professionals, but what I love about this song is a feeling of driving melancholically through your hometown. Rodrigo said she wrote the song after driving around crying. I get it, girl. Destined to become an epic karaoke song

and probably a great stadium ballad, the best part is the bridge, which is designed to be sung with a heavily intoxicated crowd. Reminiscent of Maggie Rogers' Say It, Driver's License launches Rodrigo to global stardom. I'm curious about this album. Okay, is where i'm i'm i'm looking at

it through the lens of like some of the music like just the arrangements don't vibe with me but i'm thinking i was like but no there was a time when vanessa carlton got into my fucking mind even though it was the last shit i would put i'm be going to be like, bury me with my Vanessa Carlton LP. And I was trying to keep my heart open for this. And what I found was I liked the deep cuts. I liked one step forward, three steps back. I was feeling that one. Jealousy, jealousy.

I was digging that one too. But those felt like those are a little, I think it was because the production i could relate to a little bit more that's fair the angst though i was feeling the deja vu which said fucking strawberry ice cream malibu you know i mean with the fucking two spoons yeah i remember that too one spoon for two deja vu is my shit because i love a song that is about just jealousy and hating a bitch i can't hate outwardly it's really hard for me i'm very forgiving song but a song will get me there i'll be like you we did that first and every time you're with her deja vu whatever you're feeling for her you felt for me originally don't forget oh oh it gets under the skin it's good

listen this album bounces back and forth between a lot of like, there's obviously a lot of inspiration from like early 90s rock. But then the aughts like punk pop princess era. There's some new stuff. It's a very, very much a musical theater kids album in that it's very leading with either pianos, guitar or xylophone are kind of heavily featured instruments. And it's leading with her vocals. For me, it's an album her vocals it for me it's an album no skips i've listened to the whole album several times brutal is easily my favorite track off the album i think it is a 17 year old album and i think that's the difference for a lot

of people if you're like me and like 17 was like a very hard time for me like i didn't know which way it was up i didn't know what i wanted to to do. I sort of felt like a failure trying to get into college and it was an awful experience. It was a mess. And sometimes it's nice to revisit it, especially for a 17 year old who's got a lot of talent, who is sort of going through the basic emotional upheavals that I think, again,

as like a 30 year old, I can't publicly display any of that, but sometimes I still feel it on the inside. And it's cool to rock out with an album that's like expressing that. Right, right. A very specific heart. Chris, you know that feeling of going to Malibu, strawberry ice cream, spoons for two.

I grew up in Connecticut in the 1970s. What do you think? Okay, so let's see see what are the parallels here do you what did what was your first idea knowing like when i i i hit you up i said we're going to talk about this album is a sensation is for you know very emos gen z angst album what are you seeing from your from 52 000 feet okay i'm kind of kidding uh i mean i grew up in the 80s mostly i was born in 69 so all right uh but i was born in 69 so like you know 15 17 in 1986 right so for me this kind of stuff was like i don't bruce hornsby that's just the way it is some things will never change which of course

is sampled by like puff daddy i mean this or something like i mean that's not even how people will ever understand that song now they're like oh that's a sample oh yeah by tupac yeah i see no changes all i see is racist faces okay yeah yeah that's a good tupac's version is awesome but anyway i'm i'm a big pop music fan so i mean i i can i i right away like this but it also reminded me of so many other things it reminded me of lord sure like mostly like green light it sounds like the whole record to me i just skimmed it but it sounds like all sounds like green light by lord and also i don't this is this is the part where i'm just gonna be a crabby old here we go go it's not as good as gordon lightfoot no i just wanted to say that but i don't need any more 17 year old perspective and need neither neither does anyone else you know we have so many 17 year olds weighing in on being 17 which is like

the least consequential age everyone grows up past that unless you get run over by a truck. I mean, I'm just saying that the reason why teenagers are making all the music today, usually paired up with an older white guy, which is this Dan Nigro, who's listed as the principal songwriter on all these songs. It's another Jack Antonoff

kind of guy. It's like these white older guys telling 17-year-olds what olds what 17 year old angst sounds like for the consumption of the most people because old people and young people are the only ones who buy cds now these there are still idiots who buy cds and they're mostly coming back they're mostly children children still buy cds and so that's why music is mostly aimed at teenagers because they're the only ones who still spend money and so do old people old old people that's why like rod stewart was able to put out like 90 albums of standards right

right you know what i mean it's because old people don't know how to steal music and neither do 15 year olds so i'm just saying this and i'm not i'm not saying like joelle at all that i don't like it because i do i think no but i do i do like it but i am tired of like this is what life is i'm i'm like 17 i used to be a i mean 17 is is hard there's no doubt about it but you can get past it and i'd rather hear songs about that than hear about like more breakup songs from like 17 but sometimes a song is just about being in your feelings in that moment and i think that while i completely agree like i don't like my music for the past six years has all been at least women in their 30s right like you think about what's

happening not just in pop music but specifically like black pop music like for me it's like Solange SZA who I think is in her mid-20s uh then you have Cardi B and her and it's all these women who are like way past this like teenage phase and they're talking about grown woman shit which has been phenomenal like very grateful to have had these women in my life to get me through the last horrible couple of years but there's something I think particularly in the same way that i was really jazzed when willow started releasing music there's something about young women coming out and singing like just like these i just love a fuck it song i really really do and i feel like this whole album is basically like i'm so in my feelings and i'm so hurt and i don't know what to do about it that shit that you blast yeah you just got broken up with at a shake shack and you're driving home because the meal was ruined because you got broken up with and you're blasting this with tears coming down your face because that's what you need it for.

But my question is to you, Chris, have you ever listened to a track in this sense, like where you're like, I this was this is what I needed at my lowest. It helped bring this thing out of me sad songs i love breakup so what so what is that for you this is coming from a 50 oh i know i get that but that's what i'm trying to i'm trying to year old angst to me is like listen here's what you write a song about you write a song about how love isn't real and eventually you find out that the real thing is just looking at bears and deer so my perspective is love yeah sure i mean you can yell and scream about it but in the end it's just you know you're gonna get divorced and just you know get real and and and go on a diet

or whatever i mean you know go paleo what's a song what i mean is like from a 52 specifically to you what when you were 17 what's a song you listened to to feel all angsty and emotional? What was that song for you in that time? Get in your DeLorean, Chris, and tell me what you're listening to. I did. Oh, God, I wish I was rich enough to have a DeLorean. I would say, God, I listened to a lot of John Denver. Cat Stevens.

Right, right, right. Cat Stevens, the father and son song. What's that one? It's the one where the kid's going to leave home and his dad's like he's like i gotta go and his dad's like stay and and he's like i gotta be a man and right and uh you know it's interesting though how lyrics have like evolved right because you go from like this cat steven song father and son where it's just like there's so much you have to know find a girl settle down if you want you can marry look at me i'm old but i'm happy like if it felt very folksy then and then like there's like then i think of like what the angst was maybe around like like a fiona apple

title like her album title which is very poetic you know you know what i mean where she's like i've got my feet on the ground and i don't go to sleep to dream you know you're like oh shit and now we have like the lyrics of olivia rodrigo that are like so easy to like just to understand there's no ambiguity in the lyrics like we're talking about straight up jealousy we're talking about why are you comparing the relationships we're talking like quite literally I feel like a fucking loser you know what I mean and I think there's something to the directness that is very different to this style

of music or this genre of track where like we're now just being like yeah man I fucking hate my stepmom and it's fucking up my life you know without any poetry to it to your point of course you can get past 17 but there's some like but when you're 17 that's the hardest thing you've ever had to go through

right it's like like as older people we can obviously be like oh no like sweetheart this is this is gonna be fine you're gonna work this out give it like two years you're gonna be a totally different person don't even worry about that but there's something so distinct about like this is the hardest time i've ever known and it it's so challenging. And all I want to do is be better. And that, just that little kernel, I don't know if I'll ever get rid of that kernel. I just want to be a little better. It's weird. Yeah.

Because I used to have like albums I could listen to, like when I was in my most emotionally turbulent. Like that were these kinds of songs where I was like, fuck it, bro. Bodies by fucking Smashing Pumpkins. This is a much better choice. I will fucking listen to it. Or Billy Corgan is like, love is suicide. You're like, oh shit. You know what I mean?

Fucking feeling that shit. But I also, I've noticed as a person, I'm kind of like, as I become an elder washed person, I'm having trouble tapping into like that era of like the chaos. Like it's more nostalgic, more than like it, like they're like, it's still in there or something. I wonder if this is the last time I'll be able to feel this way about a person's album. Is it coming for me? It seems like though, maybe this album is having

that effect on people that thought they couldn't feel that anymore and they could you know i yeah i think i i bet you i used to listen to lord a lot i like pop music so i think it sounds good i'm just offering this like you know as a person who has uh just i you know being older like you know what i mean is like well here's the thing older music is failing it's not like this music is failing it's people who are my age that are failing they're writing i just wish lyrics for older people weren't all just broken poetry junk right like you know what i mean i feel like this this kind of lyrics this oliv Rodriguez is my... I like this. Rodrigo, I like this.

This sounds good to me. I like you calling it this Oliver Rodriguez, fella. I only found out about this. I saw your email. I saw your email 30 seconds before this show. I just think that actually it's more of a failure of music

being made by people my age, which is just sort of like REM-type lyrics, just like broken poetry forever. I want to hear— So, Chris— I just like lyrics that are about— So, okay, like I'm saying, Olivia Rodrigo is out here being like, fucking Deja, you did all this old shit. We did it, too. Fuck you talking about. So how would you write this more like direct blow nail on the head form of song lyric writing for your,

for your era, for your people right now? Cause you said, where's my album like that? Well, as I was saying, I just write about like heart health, getting your steps in,

um, you know, don't drink coffee too late. Oh yeah. Like you see a falling loves out of the question. Who cares anyway? I got no sex drive anymore. So you know don't drink coffee too late oh yeah falling loves out of the question who cares anyway i got no sex drive anymore so falling in love's out the question that's just such a powerful message for a song and it's just so literal yeah love is not you know love is not as important as

going to your therapist right i just wish there was more um there's just a lot of bourgeois adult pop music right now that's just about like i don't know fake spirituality and like but you know it's like i would say that the main topic of adult music now is like mindfulness or something whatever everyone became a buddhist in malibu or some shit i'm actually all about this stuff except i just wish there was more of it in a way like more i'm just tired of the breakup stuff that's all i mean i i love i mean we got taylor swift who does good stuff you know i'm also suspicious of these weasels these white weasels like whoever this antonoff and this nigro and who are these people and why are they somehow why are they in charge why is

nigro's name first and rodrigo's name second on all these songs? Because that is important in songwriting. That means Nigro's the main songwriter. So why are these weaselly white men involved in all these women? I mean, it's not just women. There's just weaselly white men with kind of like cute haircuts running around. And I'm suspicious of them. I love that.

As a bald 52-year-old, you're like, man, what's going on? Well, yeah and I'm suspicious of them. I love that as a bald 52 year old, you're like, man, well, yeah, I'm suspicious of these guys. It's cute haircuts. I'm doing my best to hang in there in this conversation,

but I really do dig that. I actually dig what she's doing. I just think that I can't relate. I don't think I like lyrics about fucking feelings. Yeah. No way was this conversation ever set up for everyone, anyone to, to disagree or anything like that. But I'm saying we're, we all have our perspectives. Yours is like, lyrics about fucking feelings yeah in no way was this conversation ever set up for everyone anyone to to disagree or anything like that but i'm saying we all have our perspectives yours is like

what i what i fucking more breakup songs i'm just like yeah get more literal you know because i like listening to the radio you know i just wish there were more songs actually about relationships but just different kinds there's just a lot of like relationship stuff about fuck that person and fuck that person and that person fucked me over and i also think that's like sort of you know just there's a lot of that i usually i found out almost every breakup was my fault you know not not you know i think everybody like when they're younger thinks the other person was totally at fault right i'm also tired of the tired of that you know because that's not true it's like when i go to aa and guys talk about their ex-wives as if their ex-wives like were a pre-existing thing that they had nothing to do with it they're like my fucking ex-wife right

right right you know like didn't you ask her to marry you you know what i mean at some point you were really into that person yeah uh i yeah i totally feel that especially on the the line of like there's more to life than relationships. Right. You're going to go through so many other different types of things that there are actually songs to write about that we need. We need guidance through, you know, like the Solange's A Seat at the Table really helps me get through all of the Trump presidency. I feel you. I feel you. There's there's more than just being in love or being fucked over. by the time that album comes out. And it'll be like, so again, it'll be like, guys, make sure you use Headspace to get yourself a little relief.

Is there a Headspace ad in here? Yeah, and you're like, what the fuck? How did they do this? And like, it's charting, yo! They've completely perverted it. I just think everybody should do a very deep investigation of why everybody, every pop musician over 30 is out in the

desert. That's what I want to know. Why is everybody out in Joshua Tree? What's happening in Joshua Tree? Yeah, I don't understand. They got to be in the woods with the deer and the bear. That's what I'm talking about. I think it's, I know why they want to be out of Joshua Tree

because there's nobody out there so they can feel like they're the king. know, the King man. Remember when Morrison went down to Mexico and 65, it's like that. Anyway, with that note, uh, we'll end the show right there.

Please y'all make sure you check out Chris's Twitch show, which is not going to be tonight. It will be tomorrow because he's going to be doing a huge publicity stunt at Disneyland on Tuesday. Um, but Chris, thanks so much for joining us, man. Where can people find you and follow you and watch you and all that? You can. Yeah.

Thank you. You do a better plug for my show than I do. It's it's called Cold Brew Got Me Like and it's on Twitch every Tuesday, usually, which would be tonight. But it's actually tomorrow this week because I'm going to disneyland and um it's on 6 30 uh pacific every tuesday night cold brew got me like except for wednesday this week and then i'm at the crofton show on twitter and at the crofton show on instagram and i write my advice column called the advice king and you can go listen to my first solo record hello it's me on all platforms. Yes.

Check out some of Chris's. And his hits like, got my back feeling like hell. Oh, yeah. You want to hear me? You want to hear my super... All my songs are about being broken up with. I can't believe it.

Oh, I'm going to be so fucking... Oh, I'm finished. Please use toilet bowl cleaner. I'm such a hypocrite. I'm such a hypocrite. All my songs are about being broken up Except That's the best

The only thing though I will say Is that I mostly blame myself I think that's the twist There's only one white guy involved in the writings of these songs And that's my guarantee No you Don't you hear what he's like Me and my brains Oh Miles You just fucking killed me right there oh there's only one white guy involved in these songs oh don't need any help okay

i'm done i'm done i'm done great chris is there a twitter or a social media post something you like that you want to shout out? Oh, fuck. I always forget this part. Oh, man. God damn it. Let's see where it is. Fuck. God damn it. I love... I say God damn it

like the oldest man in the world. Just in general, I'm just going to say I like Twitter. Oh, great. I love it. In general.

It's really good. Check it out. On brand endorsement for you, Chris. Thank you so much. Joelle, thank you for helping me host today. Where can people find you, follow you, just listen to you, read your takes, your musings,

like that wonderful perspective into the album. Sorry, that went on for five minutes. Definitely got a text from the editor. Passion. Passion. Like, so long. That's why I'm going to come here every time and just do a rant about something I'm passionate about.

Last time was movies. This time it's Olivia Rodrigo. You can find me all over the internet. At Joelle Monique. It's J-O-E-L-L-E-M-O-N-I-Q-U-E. One of the tweets I've really been digging. Film Updates Media posted four, count them, four separate photos of Taika Waititi, Tessa Thompson, and Ortiz. Oh, frick, I can't remember her first name.

Y'all, if you know you know Making out okay it's great Taika is shooting the next Thor Tessa's obviously in it Because she's great I think Taika and Ortiz are kind of connected romantically Anyway they're all making out together Oh you mean Rita Ora

Oh my god Anna bless you Rita Ora Rita Ora is there being a hot pop star i loved it and then at michelle tweeted tessa's phone right now 50 missed calls from brie larson this is the queer polyamorous content i am looking for okay i don't have time to break it all down what all of that means but it's beautiful my heart is full it's a gift from the pride gods okay this is what the gays are looking for this kind of content right here it's beautiful shout out to rita aura wow surprisingly i know what that is yes i've seen that picture of three-way kiss between that

old director and the beautiful handsome man and the gorgeous women. The bisexual energy is off the charts. Cute haircut, probably. Yeah. I remember the longest time I was like, man, like, when's Rita Ora going to talk about being black? I'm like, oh, she's Albanian? Okay. I feel that.

We were all there, Miles. We were all there. We're all like, she's funky. What's going on with Rita Ora? Is she light skin skin or what's happening hey but either way shout out to your rita we'd love to see it uh let's see some tweets that i like a couple tweets i like first one is from jessica ellis uh at baddest mama jamma she tweeted a good way to tell elder millennials from younger ones is to shriek saying beaches come saying, peaches come from a can, and then see what happens. Next one from Dana Donnelly, or yes, at Dana, D-O-N-L-Y, Dana Donnelly, tweeted, very on par with the discussion we just had.

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