The Daily Zeitgeist - Trump Immunity Goes POOF, Abolish Valentine’s Day Candy Chalk! 02.07.24

Episode Date: February 7, 2024

In episode 1620, Jack and Miles are joined by co-host of BFF: Black, Fat, Femme, Dr. Jon Paul Higgins, to discuss... Appeals Court Busts Trump’s Immunity Claim, Republicans Had The Border Bill They Wanted and Are Now Killing It… “Border Bill” Still Not Terrible Enough For GOP, The Most Popular VDay Candies by State…I Think Those Chalky Shits Need To Go, Mixed Reality Headsets Can Cause Funhouse Mirror Effects and more! Appeals Court Busts Trump’s Immunity Claim Appeals court denies Trump’s immunity claims in election interference case Senate releases $118 billion bipartisan aid proposal for Israel, Ukraine, border security What’s in the Senate’s Bipartisan Border-Security Bill and How It Would ‘Shut Down’ Illegal Crossings 'Even worse than we expected': House speaker reacts to bipartisan Senate immigration bill House GOP plans new Israel package in blow to Senate talks Detention and that border ‘shutdown’: What’s really in Biden’s bipartisan immigration deal ‘Dangerous’ aftereffects linked to using mixed reality headsets Seeing the World through Digital Prisms: Psychological Implications of Passthrough Video Usage in Mixed Reality LISTEN: Turquoise (1996 Digital Remaster) by Milt BucknerSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 324, Episode 3 of The Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it is Wednesday, February 7th, 2024. February 7th. It's National Girls and Women in Sports Day. National Periodic Table Day. Shout out to Valence Electrons.

National Fettuccine Alfredo Day. Okay. And National Send a Card to a Friend Day. You know? Comprende? What, Hallmark, it's not enough for you? You're a week out, and you're just like, yeah, get ready to give us your money.

We want an appetizer of your money. Send a card to a friend? I think it might be the whole federation of card makers. Excuse me, together, I'm burping, because I can't believe how uh how just how transformative this day is talking about it's it's an ancient tradition of sharing scraps of paper to communicate his leg at the end of the gist when he feels so fucked up about what's going what he's got or yeah the jinx yeah when he feels so fucked up about what he's holding down that he starts burping constantly you're just

so fucked up by national cards send a friend a card day i know oh man yeah it just says while our digital era may turn away from the flowery image language of greeting cards a surprising 80 percent of adults still purchase them yeah i mean like we gotta say thank you sometimes in a more formal way that a text can't quite achieve. So, yeah, I know that. You got to wish a four-year-old a happy birthday every once in a while, you know? Yeah, of course. Because you don't want to do that.

As much as I used to be like, man, just fold a piece of printer paper. Draw something on that. Yeah, my art skills are not good enough where it looks. I might as well just said, fuck you on the present. You know, the way a that is an option. Good artists always have straight. Fuck you. Fuck you.

But like really cool. Yeah. Beautiful, beautiful calligraphy. Well, my name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Squaring up on Sesame Street, taking bets on these Muppets. Got dragged on Twitter, now he's back on his feet. Just Elmo and his will to survive. It's the bird or the monster, it's an internet fight.

Rising up to a giant feathered rival. Rising up to a giant feathered rival. Will he go for the ankles or will he use a knife? And we're arguing over a bird or a monster. That is courtesy of Warren the Werebear on the Discord. Little Eye of the Tiger, you know. This is our rocky three the elmo the big bird by the way that song was a late replacement for you're the best around the the karate kid song the song at the end of karate kid that is just like an on the nose like you're the best you're gonna win this fight that one yeah that song was that song

was in rocky three and then they were like man this is a little too on the nose and also eye of the tiger came out and so they just swapped that shit out but now you're the best round doesn't really make sense for karate kid because right right it's like history repeats itself and it's like wait this isn't this isn't karate kid three what the fuck are you talking about no no this is his first win at the all valley karate tournament that i mean good for them because they have like a lot of like you know there's like that one the score to rocky that's in the victory beat you know on no way out you know there's like a lot of good there's like that one, the score to Rocky that's in the victory beat, you know, on No Way Out. You know, there's like a lot of good, some good things came out of there.

But to think that they could have messed that up with. You're the best. It takes a lot to fuck up a Rocky movie. Just look at the soundtrack from Rocky IV. There are some songs in that motherfucker. Some not keepers. Sylvester Stallone, did you write and perform this song?

Because this is just like a power ballad. Yeah. Don't I got rights? Quote my friend, Miles Gray. And speaking of which, I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! It's Miles Gray, a.k.a.

Lumping up that fucking beak. Big yellow bird gonna get wrecked. Elmo's a monster, leave you asleep in the street. Just a beast with a deep hidden rage. It's the monster named Elmo. He's gonna be big bird dead. Bert and Ernie better just sit this one out. It's the monster named Elmo. He's going to be Big Bird dead. Bert and Ernie better just sit this one out. Elmo is the last known survivor.

Stalking his prey in the night. Why the fuck do you think he is red? Elmo's a monster. Shout out to First Blood 522. Look, a lot of people with the fucking eye of the tiger first big bird theme we love the synergy red for bro yeah why the fuck do you think he's he's a monster damn yeah that both of those are are really good great job we'll take them hot damn and great job to you on the performance. And to you too.

And to you too, obviously. And with your spirit. You received my mother's plaudits in person. Yeah, I got to hang out with. Your singing is just... You've entered a new era with your singing. I was not expecting

a compliment about my vocals, but you know, I'll take know what shout out to my mom big fan of the show i know unbelievable that both of our moms still sticking with it even though they don't know what we're talking about most of the time is she doing the thing too she's like well it's nice to hear your voice yeah exactly yeah it's nice to hear your voice every once in a while well i don't get that but it's just like oh i like to hear your voice every once in a while. Well, I don't get that, but it's just like, oh, I like to hear your voice. It's always backhand, even though I don't know what the fuck you're talking about most of the time. Yeah, yeah.

I'm like, oh, well, that's just how the kids speak, Mom. Yeah. Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of our favorites, a brilliant writer, speaker, social justice educator, written for Ebony Complex. The Root appeared on NBC News, BuzzFeed, Vox, among many others there. They're also the host of the amazing podcast BFF, Black Fat Femme. Please welcome back to the show, Dr. John Paul Higgin! Dr. John!

Hello, hello, hello! Hello! So happy. Stomping through the doors. Stomping through the doors. Come it through the doors come on so you know what i was sitting here listening one screaming at the muppets reference but did you know that doesn't is it jean-claude van damme or who one of them have an album one of them it's either sylvester stallone or jean-claude they have a whole album you're giving so much class to jean-claude van damme's that

you're like jean-claude van damme whatever yeah well one of them somebody has it's never sounded more classy than it did when you just said it there i would be shocked if well so steven seagal had oh wait all three of them are the same person to me. Oh, yeah. I can't believe more of them did not have novelty rap albums during the 80s. They were reaching their peak at a time when novelty rap albums were a thing. But I guess Mr. T jumped on that before they could, or novelty rap songs. Do you? I feel like Schwarzenegger really should have had one he was so down for the goofiness you know what i mean that i feel like you'd be like yeah i like i like to rap now

have you seen just speaking of seagal's music there was one clip i remember i don't know if we ever i know i've shared it with people like off the show but there's a lyric of him singing on stage where he says, when you see my little girlfriend, you're going to wet yourself. This is Seagal. You see my little girlfriend, you're going to have to change your underwear. Okay, anyway.

When you see my little girlfriend, you're going to have to change your underwear. So that's the kind of lyrical stylings we're getting from Russian poet laureate Steven Seagal. My little girlfriend look look there's there's nothing but dark clouds that swirl around him goddamn yeah my little girlfriend's gonna make no producer justin just said he got a reggae song where he says me one de ponani oh no yes no yes yes yes wait for me to divert the conversation. Oh my God.

I am very much in the mind that he does have a whole song where he's singing in a Jamaican accent. That man, he was wild. The 90s were wild in general, but I think that that itself is what's giving me pause. He never recovered. No, he never did. He never did. Just disappeared into Russia. He never recovered. No, he never did. He never did. Just disappeared into Russia. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, man. Well, now he can wind upon the body in Russia. What a moment. Well, Dr. John, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things that we're talking about. An appeals court busted down Trump's immunity claim, which I guess that means things can move forward a little bit faster, but it still might not be as fast as it needs to for him to be convicted before he's president. So we'll talk about that. We'll talk about the Republicans

getting the border bill that they wanted and deciding to kill it. We'll talk about Valentine's Day candies. We'll talk about mixed reality headsets, all that, plenty more. But before we get to any of it, Dr. John Paul, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are. So speaking about virtual headsets, yes, I was one of the people who purchased on the very first day the Apple Vision Pro. And yeah, I've just been Googling a lot to see what people are doing with it, to see what people shouldn't be doing with it, i.e. people who are driving their Teslas while having one on, which I think is very silly. But yeah, I have not done any anything. I haven't done anything that I shouldn't be doing with it. But overall,

it has been a very, I don't know, it's peaceful. It's just really peaceful. Yeah, we were just talking about it. And it seems like one of those things I'm like, I don't know what you need it for. But I know if like, if I had one, I'd probably be watching a movie or doing that kind of stuff on there. I don't. Are you using it to like actually like do your minority report like air computing and shit like that? Yeah. So so the first day. So the first day I got it, I was just kind of playing and trying to learn it. The second day is when I was doing kind of like the minority report stuff.

So like one day I had the Twitter, my twitter thing open and then i was watching a movie and then on another side i had like some some other stuff that i was googling and kind of reading and doing and stuff and so it's cool because i'm one of those people who always tweets while i watch a movie like i'm always on my phone while movies and stuff are on so it makes it really nice to be able to kind of still be like in one eye watching the movie over here while on the other side of it, being able to actually see like my Twitter feed and being able to like jump between all the different apps and stuff. And then can you were you able to do that with a TV and a laptop? What do you mean? Like the same thing?

Could you like is it I'm I'm always just curious, like, cause I know like they're the, that like the fun of it, but what, I guess, what do you feel that it's quite Brown, like groundbreaking yet? Cause I know you're at, you love your Apple products. So I know it's like, okay, it doesn't surprise me that you have, that you had it. But what do you say to someone like me? Who's like, how, how do I like, is it indispensable yet? Or right now are you kind of in that place?

Like, it's fun. You know, for me, it's fun. I mean, you mean you know my partner's like you're never gonna use it and i'm like actually i i've already used it quite a few times but i think for me it's so i'm even with like my ipad i used to be that so i fly a lot you all know that i'm always on the road and so you're always on the road and so when when i'm flying oftentimes I'll still have my headphones in and I'll have my iPad and people will still try to talk to me. And so that's the thing that, no, people literally will try to get like, oh, what are you watching? What are you doing? It's like, dude, I'm not.

Hey, like, don't you see the AirPods in my ear? I don't want to talk to you. And it's no shade. It's just I'm not a travel person who likes to convene and converse with people when I'm traveling. I don't want to talk to you. I want to get to where I'm going, and I want to be able to, like, unpack the day and go on about my business. And so, it's nice because

the thing that sold me, outside of the immersive video, and I'm praying and I'm hoping that Beyonce will release Renaissance in immersive video, the immersive video is what sold me. I don't know if any of you know what the immersive video is, but it's literally like there's a there's a clip when you do the demo of Alicia Keys singing. And although your ears are bleeding, it is very much you're in the studio with her.

And it really feels like you're with her. And so I'm here for the immersive video part of it. But it was really cool. They have these backgrounds you can change. There's like 18 of them where you're like outside or you're like in the snow and you're in the mountains. You can turn that on while you're watching a movie. And it feels like you're outside watching a hundred foot, like, I mean, a hundred, whatever it is yeah yeah yeah gigantic screen right gigantic ass screen you know and the music and i mean all the stuff in your ear it's just it's like i said i bought it for the immersive video that's right that's like that to me was like the one thing i could be like oh i could get lost just being high shit and like watching for like some very effects heavy film or whatever just seeing anything that to me i was like it looks like a cool tv the computing stuff i'm like i don't know if i wouldn't i don't know if yeah i mean it has

it has really cool features but for me the biggest thing that sold me was i can put this on my eyes i can put my airpods on because people are like oh you can't really hear the sound but when i was in my living room my husband was like i can hear it and i was like okay bet so you can put your airpods in put it over your eyes and literally the whole entire flight. I don't have to be bothered. It's a really, really nice thing. So although I feel like a lot of people are going to be like, hey, man, is that cool? Is that Apple Vision Pro cool?

Oh, my God. What's that like? Hey, that Vision Pro, can I try it? No. Yeah. Are you fucking for real? I'm wearing the biggest headphones that are covering half my head plus goggles. You think I want to fucking like, that's what's so funny. Just imagining you getting interrupted with that shit on is like peeling off your headphone.

Then the lifting the fucking goggles to make eye contact. Like leave me the fuck alone. Gives you a lot of business to do like very aggravatedly. Like, yeah. It gives you a lot of business to do very aggravatedly. Yeah. Yeah. And I realize that I look foolish with them on.

I get it. I know there's been a lot of jokes that people have been cracking about the folks who have the pros on and are walking around and doing stuff. But what I will also say is that a lot of the videos that people are seeing about these things, they're fake. Because they're... It's very so the the people try to make it seem like it's so clear when you're walking it's actually not it's very i would say it's very pixelated but it is very much you're looking through a camera right when you're walking around and so the thought of walking day to day and then like trying to do all of the stuff that you're doing while you have it on your face it's impossible it's it's very much giving like driving feels like it should be illegal right

we have laws around like you can't drive drive while drunk for instance yeah so this this feels like a similar thing where it should be illegal yeah i've seen two i saw one video that was even designed to make it look like it was just spot somebody being spotted in the wild they stopped at a porta potty and then came out of the porta potty with the apple vision pro on and then like drove off with the pros on but like they also had toilet paper streaming out from their foot. And it just it felt like it was. Well, that's what we were saying in the weekend trends episode. Like a lot of the stuff we saw was because a lot of content makers got. Yeah.

Got the headsets. And we're from there being like, let's do bits because everyone's going to want to see what this looks like. So we'll get into what science has to say about the whole damn thing a little later on. Before we get to that, what is something you think is overrated? Overrated. Okay. So I am, I will just say this. I live in an area that is very much becoming heavily gentrified.

And they just put, and I still don't comprehend. And I guess, okay. So I understand why there's a Starbucks on every corner. However, they just put another Chick-fil-A on the other side of one of the streets. A Chick-fil-A? Yes. There's a Chick-fil-A right on one side when you get off on the freeway. Because I live near a freeway.

And then they just put another Chick-fil-A on the other side of another exit of a freeway. To catch traffic depending on which direction you're going in? Yeah. And I'm like, this is so stupid it is it's causing a lot of backup like the like one of the main streets that i used to get into my apartment complex is now like i'm having to go around or go through the back gate now because of how much traffic it is and it's just stupid and i guess my overrated to get to my point is the food is not that good i'm sorry i don't believe that i mean it's not even about the hate it's like the food is just not that good and the lines are

always so long and i'm like do people really like unseasoned food that much like because it's not seasoned well the oil is not good like there's nothing about chick-fil-a that's good i don't get it they don't even have soda they don't have soda no i think they only have tea and lemonade no they gotta have soda there's no way i have soda my husband said that they do not have soda and i am almost 100 they don't i don't think they carry soda that That's. Is that a crime against fast food? Yeah. They do. They have Coke.

I was going to say. Hold on. You can't. I was like, Dr. John, you cannot operate in the United States without offering Coke or Pepsi. I'm over here with all these fake news. Yeah. Or Mitch McConnell will come for you. Right.

But the food is still terrible. It's not. I mean, obviously, what we learned with the the chicken sandwich wars other people learned how to make a good chicken sandwich so you can no longer say that there's only one rightful heir to the chicken sandwich throne but yeah to your point i hate when it like every time a chick-fil-a opens up it the traffic it causes it's just like the same thing because for so long in the west coast people never had chick-fil-a and there's always things like when i go back used to visit my family or whatever like we go to chick-fil-a and now that it's here it becomes like they got all they got chick-fil-a and you got to line up and sure sure it's just same with in and out uh in and out is also

overrated it's good but it's overrated at least it's good like that i was just having that thought that like there there are these fast food restaurants that have ceased being fast food because they are so popular i think the two that jump out to me are chick-fil-a and in and out in and out though like once you're done you just feel like you've had like you you got what you came for whereas chick-fil-a i yeah i feel like it's it's just kind of coasting on reputation at this point and like be having been rolled out at a good speed where it like never got overexposed or something and that's why chick-fil-a like i feel like they did something smart along the way they like capitalized on some social contagion and now i think this is just like a very classically good overrated i think you're absolutely right the chick-fil-a is just you know

and i know we've mentioned it here before i've listened to the show daily and i know that it's been mentioned but i just had to go back on record and just say it's not worth the time it is not like even and i think to your point i think a lot of it has to do with those the quote-unquote christian values i think there's so many people who are like well because it's such a strong christian org that's why we support it because we're good christians and it's like baby you like there's better food out there like spend your money somewhere else someone just made a point about raising canes now i'm one of those clowns that will sit in line for raising canes real quick you're like now give me some fucking canes i'm a caniac

i have not had canes i've not had raising canes jack are you a christian you ain't been raising cane oh some days i wasn't able there was always always Cain. There is, baby. This might actually be the one, like I think this is maybe the 14th positive review I've heard of Raising Cain. So maybe this is the one that gets me there. And then think, remember in the rehearsal, Nathan built an entire Raising Cane's for that one guy to confront his brother. It's in the air. It's in the air. I am that girl that will pre-start i can pre-start my car from an app and i will pre-start my car to get in it

to go down to the raisin canes honey yes yeah i mean because also i mean if you oh yeah you put canes up against chick-fil-a i'm sorry chick-fil-a you have to go all the way to the back because the chick-fil-a sauce it ain'tA sauce, it's not the cane sauce. What's that other chicken place? Zaxby's is good, too. When I go back east, I always like Zaxby's. Zaxby's is really good. What is something that you think is underrated?

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that's actually the title of our episode this week lift every chair and swing we already know yes yes but then there's new like so are you doing the update too because i remember some people got charges other people didn't get charges i feel like we haven't done any updates okay yeah yeah because i remember there was some breaking stuff and oh it's like oh guess who didn't get charged and guess a lot of the black folks yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, lift every chair and swing. Check that episode out for sure. Yes, Kyle. There you go. All right.

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yep there is news that a federal appeals court just rejected his claim that he is immune from criminal charges for acts that he said fell within his duties as president and therefore can't be tried for plotting to overturn the 2020 election. Yeah. A three judge panel stated unanimously that the fuck out of here essentially i mean yeah you knew when when they first went to that court hearing and they were like so i'm sorry so so you could just like murder a political opponent and yeah it's all good yeah yeah what you're arguing is you can do assassinations is that yeah i mean that's not what i'm saying specifically here but i guess i would fall under

it if i if my client did have total immunity but yeah this is a moment of progress like we said i think last week when we're checking it with the pace of these cases i don't think there's any reason to think we're going to see anything happen by election day but the fact that this happened does make it we can get to the answer sooner, which is will the Supreme Court step in to help Donald Trump out? And we don't know quite yet. I mean, they could just outright be like, no, you know, sounds like it's been decided. We don't need it. We don't need to hear this.

And they're really putting him out there or the drama will continue. And they'll be like, well, you know, three of us did get this job because of him. So, I mean, like maybe we can, you know, hear what he has to say. because of him. So, I mean, like, maybe we can, you know, hear what he has to say. But that's what's interesting about this decision is that in this court ruling, they were using the words of the conservative justices to sort of like underline their point to be like, this is why there's no such thing as immunity. So, I mean, and in most universes, you would be like, well, I mean, if they use their own words against the people that may ultimately overturn it, that must be compelling for them to just sort of maintain what is happening here.

But not this one. Not these. Not these ones. So not these universes, baby. The next one. But, yeah, they were they pointed out that ruling in his in Trump's favor would neutralize the most fundamental check on executive power, the recognition and implementation of election results which seems pretty fair yeah that makes sense yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean but i guess that's the thing is like if the supreme court did rule that he could then does then joe byron be like

oh okay got you right watch if Is that how we're playing? Because I'm here now already. And Trump is a citizen. But unless he goes like, I am retroactively the president, so therefore I'm living here now. He's a squaddie. I don't know.

What about the Supreme Court? Have they ruled on whether he's allowed on the ballot, like the Colorado and whatever that other state was? Maine, was it, that ruled that he wasn't allowed on the ballot? There were like three of them. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think they have yet.

Okay. Yeah. They also pointed out that this position also contradicts Trump's previous defense in his 2021 impeachment trial, which I had totally forgotten about. I guess there is an impeachment trial for Trump in 2021, like after he was out of office. Yeah, that was like the one right after people were like, wasn't that bad on January 6th? Yeah. That's crazy that I totally forgot an impeachment trial. It was like a whole month.

It's a sophomore jinx, you know? The second album just doesn't hit as hard as the first time a lot of the time. But his lawyer argued at that time that the senate should acquit him because the justice department should decide if trump engaged in insurrection over the january 6th capital and so this is the justice department and he's like what's what's this shit no way yeah you're not allowed to do that. Well. So, I don't know. Let's try it. It still might not affect whether he gets elected and we might not, you know, if he does get elected, we might not see this case, you know, go through. Yeah.

Ever. Yeah. Because what? Does it, like, if he does get elected, not putting that out in the universe, if he does get elected, basically all this stuff will go away, right? Well, I mean, yeah. He would just basically tell the DOJ, like, he'll just lean on them to be like drop all these cases all the cases yeah goodbye that one and that one and double those cases against biden oh 90 of them yeah yeah

it's 91 counts okay it's 91 counts okay just they're spread out over a few you're like if he gets elected biden's probably going to jail like crazy to think but almost definitely that's what's gonna happen so you know biden's got a lot going on too people are always like trump's fighting for his life well guess what yeah so are we all so is fucking everybody and he's doing his best to be like how can i break up the coalition of voters that i had to get into office and still win yeah yeah all right uh border bill is a phrase i'm hearing a lot these days well i think yeah it's just another example of kind of like what the republicans are trying to do to help Donald Trump win at all costs.

So like, you know, for the last forever, fucking ever, they're like, you got these open borders. It's fucking war. There's an invasion. There's, you know, what do they say? Like the caravans, they're all coming. This is like the rhetoric that they always use constantly to talk about, like this border crisis. This is like the rhetoric that they always use constantly to talk about, like this border crisis. And so there was like a bipartisan bill that was put together in the Senate that like combined like aid packages, 60 billion for Ukraine, 14 billion for Israel and 20 billion for the border. I'm like, can we get some of this money?

I said that I said they're not. You know, I was I was very much in the mind when the student loans kicked back up in October. I was like, okay, I'm finally in a place as an adult where I can afford to pay my student loans back. So I'm going to go ahead and do it. And then I saw this last night before I went to bed and I said, they're not getting one red synonymy. I'm not paying none of my student loans back. i mean it's it's tough and i think when you see this amount of capital just flying towards right arms you're like well i mean i think it makes it pretty clear like what our priorities here it's called child poverty in the u.s doubled

last year right this is what we're spending what you need when i think yeah exactly and so anyway they put all this stuff together that way they the aid that needed to go to Ukraine and Israel was packaged and also that they could, quote unquote, solve this border crisis. And I mean, the optics were heavily in favor of the Republicans, more so in the sense that like Joe Biden is like, yeah, I mean, what am I going to be like more lenient? It's like, yeah, I mean, like, what am I going to be like more lenient? I mean, he's pretty conservative already when it comes to his immigration policies. But they dragged him further to the right in this bill. Like this is like money for more detention, more fucking boots on the ground, more border patrol funding, no fucking viable pathway to citizenship. Like it was basically the Republic, like the Republicans got what the fuck they wanted, like truly. Like it was basically the Republican like the Republicans got what the fuck they wanted, like truly.

And so and a lot of people are like, damn, I guess Biden is willing to do that just to sort of like end this argument, even though many people were like, that's not going to help with people that are like more your mainstream Democrats and more progressives and people further to the left are like, this is backwards. So anyway, the bill was their appeaser, not necessarily the great negotiator, but the great appeaser. Exactly. And appeasement has such a storied history of being successful when dealing with unreasonable characters. Every time. Every time. I mean, there's also like a recent thing in The Guardian that talked about how when, you know, like liberal governments or, you know, like begin to adopt more conservative policies to try and win votes it never fucking works you just put off the fucking people that wanted you there in the first place like what the fuck are these idiots doing like you're not

going to impress these right-wing people by doing that so anyway donald trump does not want the border anything solved so he basically told his little lackeys on the Hill to say, kill the bill. It can't get passed because he needs total fucking chaos at the border. And, you know, this bill was negotiated by Senator James Lankford from Oklahoma, who's not even close to being some kind of moderate. So, like, it's wild to see. Well, it's not wild.

This is just what happens like when you have donald trump really running it and it just makes them look even more ignorant power hungry nativist when they want to do all this stuff of being like it's it's like it's a war for the soul of our nation at the border but then you get a bill to solve it with all the shit that you want and then you're, it's dead on arrival. Yeah. With no explanation, really. No explanation. Yeah.

I mean, there was even this woman who went to the border in Texas because she was so hopped up on fucking MAGA nativist propaganda that she was like, I wanted to see this for myself to see what happened. She was even like, huh? I've been talking to these folks who have come from all over Texas, even other parts of the country to be here. And some of them, even though we are about a half hour from Eagle Pass, have driven down to Eagle Pass to try to actually see what's happening at the border. And I spoke to a number of people who said that they're a little surprised by what they're seeing here. I want to play a conversation with a woman, Misty. Take a

listen. It was it's pretty surreal. We actually made it into Eagle Pass and we went and saw Shelby Park. I was able to see some people actually trying to cross and stopped at the wire there. So it was, it's very eye-opening. And so, and tell me more about eye-opening. Is it what you expected? Is it better? Is it worse? It's not what I expected.

But then again, I don't know what I expected. I can tell you it's not as bad as what I thought. There's a lot of people, I mean, the general vibe down there, and this is based only on anecdotal eyewitness videos, but people seem to be turning on each other a little bit like everybody got down there in the caravan and they're like there's nothing to do here like but so they're like getting mad at each other like you're not christian enough for yeah or there's people just grifting like they're like just people who like do live streams and they're like these people don't

care about america they're like no shit yeah shit there's like a certain amount of people who are absolutely falling for it and believe that is the situation but a lot of people like now you know how you can get a lot of views just go down there and scream racist shit into the air but yeah i mean i think it's just i think it's important for people to understand like anything we have in politics when politicians have a chance to fucking solve and a problem and they don't that's by design it's because they would rather have that be an an issue they can continue to scream about and fear monger over and also helps people understand or makes people think that like these issues aren't necessarily solvable in a way that isn't rife with chaos so for republicans they they don't want to solve immigration because then you can be like, oh, there's a way to do this, like piecemeal maybe, and make this thing work.

And so they don't. They absolutely want to avoid that. It's either, you know, it's like an all or nothing situation for them. Or even like the Democrats are like, we're going to codify Roe. Maybe. Yeah. It's more, it's just, it's easier to have those kinds of issues that are motivators for people rather than actually you know solving it it reminds me of there's this historian

american historian who moved his family out of the u.s right when mitch mcconnell did the like obstructionist thing where he like wouldn't let obama get married Supreme Court yeah the Merrick Garland thing through I think that was it it might have been something even like before that but he and he or I think his wife was like wrote a column for the New Yorker talking about like returning or like viewing America falling apart from another country and like how just wait when you really like zoom out from that philosophy of just being obstructionist and not being willing to do the opposite of your job and right and instead of govern and make people's lives better try and sow chaos and create worse conditions so that your party can do better

like wait from that very initial like appearance of that philosophy they were like this is going in a fascist direction which right i i think even to me at the time i was like wow they're really like ahead of the like over their skis a little bit like but they i think that they were like as this is spread it has become increasingly yeah they just want to watch the world burn because watching the world burn it gives them an opportunity to grab more power and i think that's also like i feel like i'm seeing that philosophy on the side of like capitalism too, because now, you know, disaster capitalism is, is such a thing that people are, you know, view worse and worse conditions as money making opportunities. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I think, yeah, it always has, but I think it's at the time people were like, wow, the Republicans are being petty. Yeah. And maybe that's how the analysis starts out of there. Yeah. But when it's like when it's something like that, that's what turns into full blown. Yeah. All right. Round them up. Yeah. Don't like it no more. Yeah, exactly. Let me show you meanwhile we're all on land that we shouldn't be on anyway yeah we're continuing to say who can and can't be here that's oh god i love america yeah and

some of it's so much of the the the hysteria around the border is like you know just wrapped in this like great replacement theory nonsense they're like they just want these people to come in because those are joe byron voters right and you're like that's not want these people to come in because those are Joe Byron voters. Right. And you're like, that's not how any of it works. But just, yeah. Yeah. Well, let's take a quick break and come back and talk about Valentine's Day candy.

Yeah. And the Apple Vision Pro Plus. Is it Apple Vision Pro? Is that what it is? It's the Apple Vision Pro. All right. I got to get that. I got to get that into my brain because it is our new hardware's the apple vision pro all right i gotta get that i gotta get that into my brain because it is our new hardware or the name that's the problem it needs to be this has made me very

aware that like we just need the contact lens that's that's when it's gonna be good is when we can just be wearing it without people realizing can you imagine how bulky that first one's gonna be though the contact lens yeah your eye keeps drifting down yeah you look like those people that have that like condition where they can pop their eyes out who's like viral hits in the 90s like hey lady make your eyes pop out. Huh? These prices? They stayed working, though, in commercials. There's like a black woman and a black guy, I remember, who had the iBugout market cornered. Yeah. I was always impressed.

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know someone you knew someone personally i could do that i think i knew someone personally maybe i'm just like confusing reality it's so disgusting it's so gross yeah and also like how do you figure that out you sneeze and then it shuts you know what i mean out of your eyes yeah like someone like in your your family's like you know you come from a long line of milk party trickers that can make milk come out of our tear ducts yeah that was a survival that was how you survived that would be so weird though too to be like oh would you like some cream with your coffee yeah one second i know yeah your royal highness your royal highness your royal highness all right sorry all right it is that time of year once again for us to you got one week yeah one week left folks till it's time to just load them up with candy and uh cards and love and devotion

through consumerism you got to how will you know your partner loves you unless they buy you a rose made of chocolates or no i'm on my seat those heart-shaped candy chalks yeah sweet okay so there's so we're this you know every year there's a list most popular candy for me sorry i just i'm so over i'm so angry at the heart-shaped chalk i just i i'm really the reason i even want to talk about this so this the list comes out most popular candy, Valentine's candy by state, California, Alaska,

New York, a few, many places, chocolate, like those sweethearts, chalk heart things are like fucking number one. Although they're surprisingly a very high number of chocolates, which I think are more appropriate than those.

Yeah. surprisingly a very high number of chocolates which i think are more appropriate than those yeah the whole nation is a sea of chocolate except for fucking new york and california and alaska like fucking okay you want to call them flyover country at least they're not eating fucking chalk hearts but like it's, so this has me thinking right. Like about even Valentine's day. And if candies are even like the metric we should even be looking at. Cause that feels like the, like if you have put no thought into it,

you just like, yeah, here's the, here's some chocolates. I got it. The pharmacy at the last minute. Yeah. And I feel like the ultimate last minute,

like what, what is open in right in between me and their house and i'm only three blocks away from their house right and and they're out of old spaghetti factory gift cards so i don't know what i don't know what to get you but like i feel like i don't know when i in like the early days of a relationship and valentine's day came around like you're like okay like you know i've been lonely for a little bit and I got, now I got a little boot thing. I want to do something for Valentine's day. But like, as like even my own like relationship turned marriage now has progressed, we found other ways that like we show each other, like

our appreciation for each other that isn't so tied to Valentine's day. So I'm just even wondering, for the both of you who are happily booed up, are candies essential to this holiday? And B, is this holiday even essential to our relationship? Our relationship. My wife and my relationship fully built on a bedrock

of chalk hearts. That's the only way we communicate with one another she passed them into her mouth yes yuck how's your youngest son chalk heart doing i know you named your kids even after that no we yeah we used to go like even pretty deep into our relationship we would go out to dinner on Valentine's day at, you know, try and go to a good restaurant, get reservations well in advance. And we quickly noticed that you are getting a sub optimal experience at that

restaurant. Like you're getting the worst version of that restaurant. They're slammed. They've got like the, sometimes they'll do like a prefix menu. Like I've gone to restaurants that we loved and they've been terrible on Valentine's day. Right. I've gone to restaurants that we never went to again that other people love, you know, that recommended and they're, you know, just bad. It's bad situation.

So we generally don't do that much. Sometimes we'll do like a, I, I try and like think outside of the box. Like recently I was like, we're going to do a picnic and I put together a picnic and it was fucking freezing cold. Windy as hell because it is February, even in LA. Like you can't do a picnic and it was fucking freezing cold and windy as hell because it is february even in la

like yeah you can't do a picnic in february yeah what about you dr john yeah so i concur you know the first few years it was like oh i have to make sure that i make the best impression on valentine's day for my partner so i always try to do something the day leading up to Valentine's Day. So we're celebrating our Valentine's Day on Sunday. And for me, it's about making memories versus just giving my partner stuff. We are in a place now where we live in a two-bedroom, two-bathroom, and I'm looking around and I'm going, we have no more room for stuff. So I'm not going to buy you anything else to continue to,

that we have to figure out where are we going to put it or where are we, what are we going to do with it? So I like, you are looking around when you're making that decision. You're looking around through your Apple vision pro. Yes. Yes. And I'm going,

we do not need any more stuff. It turns out. Not on this top. Right, right, right, right. So as I,

as I shove it into my overly packed closet, but no, I will say, I think the biggest thing is about making memory. So as I as I shove it into my overly packed closet. But no, I will say I think the biggest thing is about making memory. So there I did plan something on Sunday for my partner. And we're going to do all of our stuff on Sunday. But yeah, I and then it's just about for me, it's tradition. I do sees for him every year. He knows it's just kind of something I do it for Valentine's Day and for Christmas. He gets he gets these, but it's mostly because I want to eat them. Yes. I buy him candy so I can eat them. I will also say, my wife grew up not having much sugar in her diet. Korean, her parents, the dessert was fruit. She just doesn't really fuck with candy. So any candy that comes into the household is eaten by me. Oh, she still has maintained the like.

She doesn't eat like candy. It's not necessary. Yeah, she doesn't hold the candy. Yo, because I had the same thing, like no soda. Like if I had juice, my mom was like, you want to juice this orange? Right. I'm like, fuck. But then I go to my friend's houses who had like the fucking spare fridge in the garage.

And I'm like, I will drink a 12 pack of cactus cooler fucking right now. Don't fuck me. Straight up. Oh my God. The friends who had the cooler in the garage or the fridge in the garage those garage fridges i never had it but like just a soda fridge just a soda fridge like what yo oh my god were you yeah that was always like how the fuck do you so where do y'all get all this soda like how many six and they're like

we go to smart and final or whatever i'm like what the fuck is that and they're like it's where you can buy fucking boxes of this shit costco high school who had parents that went to costco and would load up the the refrigerator and it was always like for me it was like in our house because we were so poor it was like you got one soda at dinner and that was it and if you wanted another one drink some water whereas like over their house it was like you want another soda right after you're finishing your soda you're like what yeah so yeah yeah yeah so i don't know i mean like i get i think that again we have so many That is crazy. So, yeah. Yeah. I'm right there with you. Yeah. So, I don't know.

I mean, like, I get, I think that we have so many of these holidays that are built around consuming. And, like, well, you have to consume to show your love of Christ and family for the holidays, like Christmas or whatever. And you can consume to show your love of your partner by buying pink shit at the store. But, I mean, like, yeah, I think to your point, memories are so much like those are longer lasting. I feel like if anything, I'm probably like, let's go bowling or some shit. Yeah. My wife and I are going bowling tonight.

You are? Yeah. I love that. Dude, date night, baby. I've been bowling more. It's weird. I think ever since we were talking about how like bowling used to be like the sort of cornerstone of like American socializing. I'm like trying to get people to bowl again

and i'm fucking terrible zeitgang yo if you know how to bowl well please hit me up i have no control no control and i don't want to use the bumpers and it's it fucks with me that i'm like how can i not roll ball straight down lane yeah they're so long those trying to keep my arms straight tell you every time i try and curve it i just gutter ball that shit yeah but i love it i love the one thing i also a request for zeitgang are you a fan of the chalky candy hearts like is do you exist because like i can't fathom eating one of those on purpose i i guess i i ate one when i was a child yeah when you're a kid yeah that was a mistake i didn't make again like right do you intentionally eat those yeah it's like who eats peeps

they come back around every year around March. And it's like, why are you still here? Every time I eat. In a pinch, as a sugar addict, I have eaten Peeps. I cannot bring myself to the chalkiness. Oh, wow. Even in that, even in your time of greatest need, you're like, I have standards. I'm addicted to sugar and I will not fuck with these like there's something

i don't i must be missing or like no maybe it's just something that like other people kind of fuck with and you raise the point in your notes about like why is it so big in california because californians are so fucking for i don't know in la people would be like scoff at you to be like you did what for home for valentine's day kind of shit yeah where i feel like my but every fucking year in school it was like the thing everyone just fucking brought i think it's about how many like kids there are in the like in your state that's what i was just thinking do kids love them or are they just convenient for school i'm just saying if texas is you know is, you know, someone's book policy is determined by them because of the sheer volume of books that are bought,

but their candy is Hershey's Kisses. Which is also a school-ass Valentine's Day candy. But hey, I'll take that. At least a Hershey's Kiss is a Hershey's Kiss from January through January. The difference between the candy heart and like every other candy, other than like the Necco wafers, which are basically candy hearts without writing on them. They're just stamped thin.

Yeah. Community for candy hearts. Like that. The difference between those candies and everything else is further than like any any other product that I can think of. Like any cereal. Like there's no cereal that's that far below all the other cereals. But this candy is just

an abomination. I don't know. And can you do anything with them? Am I missing something? Oh, actually, if you put them in a mortar and pestle, you can make a dust that you can disorient your enemies with. Last time I came with this strength of conviction

was for candy canes. Oh God, disgusting. People came through and were like, I love candy canes. You need to shut the fuck up. You talk too much about, you know, where you live and I'm coming for you, motherfucker. Hey, Chalkheart gang, how do you make them taste good?

Yeah, because like the candy cane people at least came and were like, hey, try plugging one of those into an orange and using it as a straw because the like acid will hollow out the inside of the candy cane and you'll be able to like drink orange juice through it and the orange juice will be like even sweeter. No. No. First of all, no. No? Let me just. drink orange juice through it and the orange juice will be like even sweeter and no but no first of all no no let me just but can i i have a candy heart option for that yeah i was gonna say

i have a theory because california and new york are one of the most expensive places and candy hearts are not that expensive yeah so probably because they're so cheap, that's why people like them because we only have money for candy hearts. But also because we're depressed. A lot of us in these areas are depressed because we have no monies. And so we like to eat candy hearts to kind of soften the depression. Deliver dopamine and little nice messages to us. To say, hey, keep your chin up. Save a little bit more and you

may be able to go in on a condo with three other people maybe yeah maybe i think i think we just need some new i feel like valentine's day just feels tired you know what i mean i just don't i don't know why this one just doesn't hit the same anymore and i feel like we could do something different that isn't just like here are your roses and other shit. And it just feels so like, obviously, you know, it's a steep in patriarchy, too. It's like, what are you getting the lady, man? What are you getting your old lady? Yeah. Like, what can what can we do?

Like, I like just being like this. It's memory day. Create a memory that will actually last longer than that janky ass box of Russell Stover's chocolate. Like, why hasn't Sweet Tart come through? And maybe they have, but, like, the message, like, candy stamped with message, good idea. Like, you know? But so many other candies could have messages on them

that don't taste like straight-up aspirin with a light dusting of sugar. You know? Yeah, these, though know there are sweet hearts they have they're called conversation hearts hearts yes yes and it just says cutie hug me i heart you xoxo and yes how have they not caught on more maybe because of the sick freaks we're about to hear from from zeitgang who are like no i actually like the absence of anything other than dry sweet it's like yeah it's like you know the shit that uh when you don't put a cap on a toothpaste and some of it gets hard around oh god that is the worst it's that or it's the best i actually just like take them like pills and then feel them just

dissolve in my chest. It's the same people who like to brush their teeth and drink orange juice. Yeah, exactly. No, no, no. All right. I do want to get to this mixed reality headset we're going to run a little bit over because we have Dr. John Paul Higgins with us, one of the early adopters of the Apple Vision Plus.

Pro. Pro. Jack, pro. I always want to call it plus. Because everything they did, everything they did was pro. It used to be everything they did was pro. Yeah.

And then they started doing everything plus. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Well, so Stanford is digging in. I don't think these studies were conducted on the Apple product. But overnight, we're seeing a lot of people using these in different scenarios. And even if the first ones are like viral stunts, that will mean that somebody else is going to do them, thinking those were real videos. So the complaints, concerns that the Stanford scientists had after testing what they're calling camera pass-through products, which is kind of the main technology here where you've got a headset on, you're using a camera to replace your vision. They're saying this could be a wave

of the future for sure. But despite the initial thrill, they quickly encountered drawbacks, including visual distortions, feelings of social disconnection and motion sickness. I feel like Apple is not going to put a product out there that's going to give you motion sickness. I feel like that's probably something that this product has cut down on. Did you experience any kind of queasiness or feeling of weird disconnect with your surroundings? No. So the visual distortion, possibly, like I said, because, again, you are watching a video of your surroundings. So it literally is like having a are watching a video of your surroundings. So it's like,

it literally is like having a video camera in front of your face. But what I will say about the social disconnection, I had, I can easily see like when I took mine off, even when I was in the store doing the demo, because when I purchased mine on Friday, they were basically saying, hey, it was recommended you do a demo before you purchase. Because I was one of those girls who was like, I just want it. And they were like, no, do a demo, make sure that you like it, make sure that it fits your face. I was like, okay, bet. So I stayed there for the extra 30 minutes, did the demo, took mine home. And when I took it off, I was thinking to myself, I could see people who are very much antisocial, who just really don't want to, who don't feel any reason or need to be connected to other people. I could see how someone would be disconnected and lose themselves in this. Like I could see it.

Right. Because it's offering you all these other experiences that are waves that are very vivid that yeah, just chilling at home or wherever you live obviously can't offer you. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Users reported difficulties with simple tasks like giving high fives okay that's a lot or eating i do just like the idea of watching somebody with one of those on just whiffing on a high five although i'll say i whiff on high fives all the time with without anything on my face so that is true yeah and even though i'm like right here jack right here right right here and you're pointing with your other hand at your palm it's still then it always ends with me grabbing your wrist and i'm like okay there we go yeah high five you did it yeah but the the one thing that i feel like could just generally like eat no matter how good the cameras get how smooth the technology

becomes they say there's like a even though what you're looking at is real it has a video game like otherness to it it does yeah which feels yeah i don't know it feels bad maybe i don't know man video games are pretty cool yeah also that there's like some after effects from having it on where the effect of like you know like one of the one of the tests they run is where you're able to like point to where you point to your nose and like sometimes people using these are not able to do that because they're nosy. I think your nose is actually larger than you expect it to be when you have the pass-through device on. Right, right, right.

And then some of that takes a little while to wear off. So even if you're like wearing it for three hours and then going out for a walk or a drive you still have like some weird visual psychological distortions that linger on which makes sense to me like just like playing like video games or like being on a boat or skiing like those three things like have like visual tracers that like you close your eyes after you're doing it like seven hours later and you can still feel it like your brain is still fucking around yeah when i used to play guitar hero heavy every time i close my eyes i just see the little shit's going it's like still just like my brain still sees them but i think you know this i wonder if someone's going to use the apple vision pro defense for like a dui when they're like all right

do the field sobriety test. I need you to close your eyes, get on one leg and touch your nose. And you just like completely fucking, like, Ocifer,

I know this sounds really fucking wild, dude, but that's how AlgoVision Pro has set on for the last four hours. So, you should read the study, man. It's harder to find your nose

bigger in person than in the Vision Pro. So, that's how I read my just going to use that for all my excuses now. Why were you late on this? Why were you late on this project? Well, the Apple Vision Pro threw off my... I couldn't find a less sympathetic excuse.

I'd be like, and? What are you talking about? It was out of my hands. Asshole! What the fuck fuck you want me to do with that yeah and it's so i can i say this i will say this on air yeah i have a heart i i also am feeling like like yay i have one but i also feel like i'm feeding into the elitism of those damn things so hey i'm kind of trying not to talk about it too much because people being like

who are you have 35 well actually it was four four it being like, you have $3,500. Well, actually, it was $4,500. You have $4,500 to throw away. People don't know. Or you could just be terrible with your money. Well, no. No. I'm actually terrible with my money.

So please don't come for me. I've been saving for it forever. And plus I have an Apple card. Well, Dr. John Paul Higgins, it's been such a pleasure having you, as always, I've been saving for it forever. And plus I have an Apple cart. So amazing. Well, Dr. John Paul Higgins, it's been such a pleasure having you as always on the daily zeitgeist. Where can people find you,

follow you, all that good stuff. Well, when I'm not standing in line at the Apple store for a drop, you can find me at Dr. John Paul everywhere. Also, you can find me every Tuesday at the Black Fat Femme Podcast on iHeart Media,

iHeart Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And yeah, my website, www.drjohnpaul.com. There you go. And is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? Yes.

So there is a, so I will say this. I am not an editor. I can edit. I actually think an edit. I can edit. I actually think I'm quite good at it. But people who can sit and make edits for a very, like, for a long period of time of things, I find them to be the people that, they're just amazing. So there's this person on Twitter, Clay Garcon, who has a, says, learn the alphabets with NeNe Leakes. And it is absolutely hilarious.

For every single alphabet letter, there's something NeNe Leakes has said. And I wish that she would come back to TV. I really like NeNe Leakes. Yeah. Oh, man. What happened? Didn't Greg pass away recently? Greg did.

I think Greg passed away two years ago. Oh, it was two years? That's how behind I am with my Real Housewives of Atlanta news. Wait, hold on. I just want to hear this video really quick. B is for Big No Charest. C is for Close Your Legs to Marry Me. D is for Donald Trump.

Yeah, NeNe's got some good ones. Got some good ones. Nene is just a gem. I love her. So where is your scooter? Where is your scooter? Where is it? Miles, where can people find you?

What's working media you've been enjoying? Find me on the at-based platforms at Miles of Grey. Find us on our basketball podcast, Miles and Jack got mad. Boosties. Find me on my 90 Day Fiance podcast for 20 Day Fiance. And if you want to hear some,

what else? No, hear some. If you want to know the tweet I like is from at prod by perfectly orchestrated quote tweeted this thing. It said from hear some if you want to want to know the tweet i like is from at prod by perfectly uh perfectly orchestrated uh quote tweeted this thing it said from from this from double xl magazine that said little john is coming out with a guided meditation album tmz reports the 10 track project is reportedly scheduled to drop on february 16th to which prod by perfectly uh produced by perfectly uh quote tweeted snap your fingers, take a breath,

go ahead, release that stress. I was like, yeah, what is a Lil Jon guided meditation album going to be like? I'm willing to try it. Amazing. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore

O'Brien. I was enjoying, somebody tweeted a video of the Trucker Convoy Magas Jack underscore O'Brien. I was enjoying somebody tweeted a video of the trucker convoy magas fighting each other and at Bobby Big Wheel replied, we put every guy in America who's been kicked out of a

t-ball game in one place. Anyway, hope it works out. Holy shit. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. We link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode,

as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song do you think people might enjoy? Just with the rainy weather that's going on like i wanted something cozy something that just makes you kind of feel like you did you know that being in out out of the rain is a good place to be which objectively is true you probably don't need music to feel that uh but there's this artist named milt buckner and he like plays like old school like hammond organ like Hammond organ from the early 20th century. And I like the sound of the Hammond organ, but done in a right way. It kind of gives you a little bit of ambiance that if you turn the lights low, it'll class the joint up.

And you'll feel like you're in some kind of bar or restaurant that people of color probably weren't allowed in. But now we are, and it's our own home. But anyway, this track is called Turquoise and is by Milt Buckner. So check that out. Just some good old Hammond lounge music for you. All right. We will link off to that in the footnotes. The Daily Zech is a production of iHeartRadio.

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