The Daily Zeitgeist - Trump Is Unraveling And Stevie Wonder Is Faking 10.16.17

Episode Date: October 16, 2017

In episode 6, Jack & Miles are joined by Daily Zeitgeist writer Alison Zeidman the 25th Amendment, the weekly tabloids, Stevie Wonder is faking his blindness, & more. Plus producer Anna Hossni...eh gives a quick sexual harassment in Hollywood update. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:05 for monday october 16th 2017 episode 1 of season 2 my name is jack o'brien i am joined as always by my co-host mr miles gray hello and shout out to uh that one guy on twitter who said i was mad funny thank you so much uh you kept me from weeping last night. All right. And in our third seat today is Adam Rohn's Everything writer and a writer for The Daily Zeitgeist, Alison Zeidman. Hello. Hey.
Starting point is 00:02:36 What's up? How are you guys? I'm good. We're great. We're excited to have you. I'm excited to be here. Oh, wow. Isn't it nice when things just line up like that? It's just so great. You guys can't see, her eye contact game is on point right now.
Starting point is 00:02:51 We don't make eye contact in this studio. I'm sorry. I'll stop. No, no, it's something new. I'm just going to look at my cuticles for the rest of the show. Never looked at any of these people's faces before. Jack's not allowed to look at another woman
Starting point is 00:03:03 unless mother is in the room. That's right. Let's get into your over under what what's something you believe is overrated allison okay i'm gonna come out real real strong real hot um bacon ohrated. I will add that I've only ever eaten bacon once. Okay. It was not a great experience. Wait, so explain your relationship to pork with us, that you've only had bacon once. Okay. So I grew up Jewish, and we mostly kept kosher. And then as an adult, I'm pretty much a vegetarian, but I did try bacon once.
Starting point is 00:03:44 Some friends had some bacon. Now, was it crispy bacon or was it? I think it was pretty crispy. Okay. Yeah. Was it Applewood smoked? I don't know. It was probably like bodega bacon.
Starting point is 00:03:58 It was in New York. Bodega bacon. Okay. It's not that great. Well, we should have you back for maybe a bacon flight. Maybe a bacon. Yeah. Ooh, a bacon flight. Yeah. Yes. There are many. A flight Well, we should have you back for maybe a bacon flight. Maybe a bacon. Yeah. Ooh, a bacon flight.
Starting point is 00:04:06 Yeah. There are many. A flight of bacon. A flight of bacon. But that makes sense. I was just not impressed. All right. I can't get mad at that.
Starting point is 00:04:12 I've been told that I'm missing out all my life. If you're not a meat eater and then you try it, I can see how. But if you were like, yeah. It is the most meat. Yeah, exactly. It's peak meat. It is the most meat meat. Peak meat.
Starting point is 00:04:24 Yeah. I can't disagree uh but wait that bacon might have been overrated uh i still can't say it's over it i think it has it it's earned its spot is it your favorite bacon's incredible my favorite i don't think it's overrated though but i understand i i i understand where you're coming from so i can't really hate on that yeah all right what's underrated that was very that was very understanding of you guys okay um yeah we're not like the the internet that's like what you fucking say it is what i live for we're gonna get some angry tweets i hope so probably there's gonna be a whole thread about this yeah this feminist yeah it's big anti-bacon screed. Okay, what's...
Starting point is 00:05:05 Underrated. Underrated. Underrated. I would say celebrity gossip, which I know we're going to be talking about later on the show. Yeah, we are. And I love it. I can't get enough. I'm not really sure why.
Starting point is 00:05:17 I've tried to intellectualize it. There was someone who did this TED Talk about about how you know so the the tendency to engage in gossip in particular celebrity gossip it's like an anthropological lens for how we view society and how we relate to one another and it's like or i just like kind of can't get enough of the kardashians for some reason like the schadenfreude of it too it's like they're broke right love that tori spelling take. You thought you were successful. But you're saying underrated in that it's a value. Well, I think people don't take it seriously.
Starting point is 00:05:49 And I do kind of believe that it does, in some ways, start conversations about society and about how we relate to one another as human beings. Yeah. Especially as more gross stuff comes out. Right. stuff comes out. Right. Like, take the Kardashians. Like, Rob and Blac Chyna sparked some discussions about domestic violence that maybe people wouldn't have had otherwise.
Starting point is 00:06:12 Right. Or, like, revenge porn. Right. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So I guess... And from an anthropological standpoint, like, don't they think that gossip is, like, how human language evolved in the first place?
Starting point is 00:06:24 Yeah. Like, ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics, apparently a lot of it was like. This bitch. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, can you believe this? The pharaoh. Right.
Starting point is 00:06:34 This pharaoh was fucking with this pharaoh. Pharaoh-esque. I don't know. Yeah. I was like, yeah, that's what they were. Can you believe this snake, skarab, Anubis head? The first Us Weekly in Egypt. And then like the hieroglyphic for an air horn.
Starting point is 00:06:48 Right, right. All right. I forgot to ask you, what's the weirdest thing you've searched on Google on the past week? Oh, I should have looked. I should have checked about what I've been up to. It's probably some like dumb skincare thing. That's not weird. It's just like, why do you think about this so much?
Starting point is 00:07:05 Your skin looks great. Oh, really? Thank you. Wow. What's your regimen? What's your regimen? I'll do a little plug for The Ordinary. I'm a big fan of that line.
Starting point is 00:07:15 Well, your skin is anything but. It's cheap. Wow. Shout out to The Ordinary. You're being so nice. Hey, skincare, I think that's underrated. To all the listeners out there, I want you to know that I am an actual bridge troll, and Miles is being very kind.
Starting point is 00:07:28 She has a sheet over her head. That paper bag looks amazing on you. Is that recycled? Is that all post-consumer? Or maybe we could try the segment, whack as person in your social media, or weirdest person on your social media, if you have an example, which I know you do.
Starting point is 00:07:48 Yeah, we talked about this a little before, and I just want to reiterate that I'm not judging. I'm not shaming. I'm just fascinated. Yeah, we're not calling out names anymore. So there's someone that I know in real life and also follow on Twitter who a few months ago, me and a few friends started noticing that he was constantly tweeting about the new Planet of the Apes movie and retweeting like every piece of news, marketing promotions, everything about the movie. And it's like, what's going on? Like, is he working on this
Starting point is 00:08:25 film in some capacity, which I didn't think so? Is he friends with someone who works on the movie? Is he just that big a fan? And after, you know, some investigation, which is basically just like DMing other people that know this person on Twitter and be like, do you know what's up with this? And like, no, I've been trying to figure out too. Some people asked him directly and, uh, he just like evaded the question and was just like, ha ha. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:51 Who knows? It was just like, what? Like if you are like a big fan, just say, I don't know. So yeah. Or is he like one of these bots paid by the studio to
Starting point is 00:08:58 right. Well, that's like grassroots enthusiasm about the film. Yeah. Honestly, it looked like his account was hacked, but then like, so one of the people that I was, I was like dming with like three different people at the same
Starting point is 00:09:08 time all about this situation because i had tweeted like without like naming a name or anything i was just sort of like tweeting about how i wanted this is like the great mystery of my life and i feel like i want to know what's behind it um so someone sent me screenshots of like his facebook account where like people were asking like he's also posting the stuff on Facebook and people are asking like in the comments and he's engaging with them. So it seems like it's not just like an account hack or bots. He just is so down with the Planet of the Apes movie. Yeah. Has anybody tried trolling him and just being like, yo, that movie sucks.
Starting point is 00:09:41 Oh, I know what I'm doing this week. Yeah, you should. I mean, this week sucks, dude. Uh-oh. I know what I'm doing this weekend. Yeah, you should. You should. I mean, this week. You should. Well, because now he's added again. He's apparently added again because now it's coming out on DVD. So he was, like, tweeting about, like, how excited he is for the DVD. Yeah, only people who work for movie studios talk about DVD releases.
Starting point is 00:09:58 Exactly. Whoa, that's so true. But, like, he definitely doesn't. He definitely doesn't work. Right, right, right. Like, he's not even in – this isn't someone I Right, right, right. He's not even in... This isn't someone I know from LA. I'm not going to get too specific.
Starting point is 00:10:07 Because again, I don't... If on the off chance that they are listening, I'm not making fun of it. I'm just genuinely interested and want to know. Tweet for the job you want. Right. Maybe. That's what they always say. He wants to be an ape.
Starting point is 00:10:18 He wants to be a... Maybe. But it's true. Everyone... I know people who work at Universal and they're like, man, Fast Furious 8 DVD just came out. Can't wait. I'm like, motherfucker, are you serious? Do you even have a DVD player?
Starting point is 00:10:29 Yeah. What are you doing? Fucking Blu-ray? Like, okay, anyway. I found Andy Serkis' performance over the top and hammy as season. Excuse you? He touched my heart. But literally nobody got excited about that movie. It was in the 90s on Rotten Tomato, I think, or like 80s, 90s on Rotten Tomatoes.
Starting point is 00:10:51 By the way, we need to talk about my Rotten Tomatoes conspiracy theory at some point. Oh, you can't just tease that. Jack's conspiracy theme song. That's my conspiracy theory theme song. That's how excited everybody on the show gets about it. I find it weird. Like, it seems arbitrary at certain points, whether they give something a rotten or a fresh. Like, when you look down to the individual reviews, like, sometimes it'll seem like a negative review, and it'll get a fresh and sometimes it'll seem like a positive review and i'll get a rotten and so i think there must be like some payment going on like because and also like when you compare metacritic scores to rotten tomato scores like there'll be movies that are like in the 90s on rotten tomato that when you actually look at the metacritic score which is more detailed and takes the actual like
Starting point is 00:11:41 star ratings and like number ratings into account. Like it's way lower. So I just think I think something's going on there. I want to know. Something's definitely going on there. Yeah, you should follow this thread for sure. I want to know what the process is for determining. What's going on at Big Tomato.
Starting point is 00:11:58 Whether like a two and a half to three star review gets a rotten or a fresh. I'm coming for you. I'm going to go undercover. I'm going to try to get hired there. But let's move to less important things like potential nuclear war that we're all facing. LOL. LOL. LOL.
Starting point is 00:12:17 LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL.
Starting point is 00:12:19 LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL.
Starting point is 00:12:20 LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:13:07 Yeah, exactly. So I did want to talk about the fact that the fate and Mattis are have probably had conversations about, you know, whether they would physically tackle and physically restrain Trump were he to try and like take the nuclear football and I don't know how nuclear footballs work, but I'm pretty sure they just have the launch codes, right? So there are four things in the football. There's the black book containing the retaliatory options, a book listing classified site locations, a manila folder with eight or 10 pages stapled together, giving a description of procedures for the emergency alert system and a three by five inch card with the authentication codes. OK, so knowing all that now, I feel fine because Trump's not going to read that much. He's not he's he can't read. He can't he can't read.
Starting point is 00:13:39 He doesn't like reading. We know that his aides have to give him like tweet length, lots of pictures, one sheets every day. He'll get bored halfway through and just give up. So just to give some historical context, President John F. Kennedy, when he got into office, he found that the generals, the people who we're currently counting on to restore order and rein Trump in, those people during his administration were constantly pushing him to start a nuclear war with Russia. It didn't matter any chance they got, especially during the Cuban Missile Crisis in particular.
Starting point is 00:14:27 But they they were basically furious that America hadn't used our nuclear weapons in the Korean War. They were like, how how could we not win that war? We had nuclear weapons. And so like he basically it was like him versus versus a room full of generals during the cuba missile crisis and he was like the only one being like no we're not like dropping bombs on cuba and they're like go get your dad's gun we want to see it we just shoot it really quick right um so yeah it's that's how presidencies usually work and now we're at a place where we're counting on those guys to stand in between Trump and, you know, bombing North Korea to distract people from the investigation and Russian meddling. Which is what you're referring to is that uh uk think tank
Starting point is 00:15:26 right a uk think tank says that they think that uh the natural next sort of step in the trump administration's actions is uh to start a war with korea in order to distract from the muller investigation cool cool, all right. Yeah. Where are we all moving to, to avoid the black rain? Any ideas? No? Everyone's just kind of sad. Everyone's resigned to the fact, like, I guess I'll just melt here.
Starting point is 00:15:53 I guess Russia, it sounds like they won't have their eye there. Right. Probably the safest place to be. Yeah, maybe Russia is the safest place to be. Can you imagine an influx of illegal American immigrants into Russia? Right. So, I guess the next question is, how do we get out of this situation? And Steve Bannon, Trump's best pal, confided in somebody that he thinks Trump only has a 30 percent chance of getting through his entire first term. chance of getting through his entire first term, which I think is most Americans dream at this point is that he either, you know, gets impeached or they use the 25th Amendment
Starting point is 00:16:35 to, you know, declare him unfit for office. Which Trump doesn't even know what the 25th or maybe he does now, but he reportedly didn't know what the 25th or maybe he does now, but he didn't really didn't know what the 25th Amendment was. Right. Is that so? Bannon said, I you need to watch out for the 25th Amendment. And he said, what's that? Yeah. Like I think the 25th Amendment. I think it was something more like I think Trump was worried about impeachment or talking about impeachment, impeachment, impeachment. And Bannon was like, you should also probably be more worried about the 25th Amendment. Right. And he's like the 21 who? Yeah. And that's how we know that Trump doesn't watch the West Wing.
Starting point is 00:17:08 Right. Because that's how I learned about the 25th Amendment. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, man. You know what? Maybe I shouldn't have admitted that. No, hey, I know many people who love the show.
Starting point is 00:17:18 I learned it in my years of constitutional study. Right, right. Exactly. Not from studying Sorkinisms. Right. Right. Right. And there's some people who think that Kelly promoted his longtime lieutenant, Christian Nielsen, to Homeland Security head to, like, build numbers toward a 25th Amendment move. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:17:39 Yeah. So when you look at the 25th Amendment, basically what it takes is the vice president plus a majority of the cabinet. So that means 13 of the 24 cabinet members have to declare the president unfit to invoke the 25th Amendment. But Trump can basically push back and say, like, no, I disagree. I should still be president. And if that's the case, then they would need a supermajority from Congress in both houses to actually uphold the vice president and cabinet's. What's a supermajority? So that means over, I believe, two thirds or three fourths.
Starting point is 00:18:14 Hold on. Two thirds. So, yeah, a supermajority would mean two thirds of of all House and Senate members. So which is what they would inevitably need, because Trump has never thought himself unfit for anything. Kelly's making some moves. Did you guys see that the White House press conference, Sarah Huckabee basically started the press conference, turned it over to him, said something about like, I always love to have Marines as guests on our press conference. It was very strange. I guess it was a very strange
Starting point is 00:18:46 setup it was like why are you doing this and then he he wasn't even really taking questions he just starts delivering this monologue about how you know oh we're everybody's writing about how i'm here to control the president and control his tweets and i'm not here to control him at all but then like also detailed all these ways that he basically is you know orchestrating things and trying to control the president so it's like he's saying what trump wants to hear because that's specific we know trump gets stuck on specific words um right uh you know and wants to shift away from that narrative uh but then basically but i keep going back and forth between you, being worried that we're underestimating him, and then like reading these things coming out of the White House. And yeah, like that,
Starting point is 00:19:35 that press conference, it was clear that he was saying the thing, like his subject line was like, I am not controlling the president. And he knew the president was going to like stop there. Right. And like and then everything he said underneath it was like trying to calm the public. Yeah. Like because another story that came out of the White House about Trump out of that same Vanity Fair article. Apparently, I've only read one article in the last month.
Starting point is 00:20:06 that same vanity fair article apparently i've only read one article in the last month uh another story about trump was that he was just shouting i hate everyone in the white house like it's just like a like a fucking emo teen yeah yeah yeah like including himself you know it's right it got really dark it started with him looking in the mirror and screaming. Yeah. And then, of course, Corker last week described it as an adult daycare, which we had a segment about that in season one of The Daily Zeitgeist last week that Allison wrote. But all right. I think we're going to go to a break. And when we come back, we're going to get into the Bloids, you guys.
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Starting point is 00:25:26 than most people here at the daily zeitgeist uh the tabloids have had scoops uh they were the first publications to uh report that john edwards was cheating on his wife and and had a love child with the witch who – I'm not saying that as an insult. She was a self-professed witch. She was an actual witch. Yeah. She was like, I use Wiccan powers to snag people. And I found her case pretty convincing that she was an actual witch. Did she snag John Edwards?
Starting point is 00:26:05 Oh, hell yeah, she did. Yeah, well, his wife was on her deathbed. Right. Cool. Cool move. Cool move, witch. They were among the first people to know that Steve Jobs was dying. They reported that they solved Enos Cosby's murder.
Starting point is 00:26:24 They solved a key point in the OJ case. Oh, yeah, he was wearing Bruno Magli shoes or something. Right. They were the first people to know that Swayze was dying. They apparently knew early last year that Val Kilmer had cancer, which I didn't even realize that. They were just bragging about that in the edition that we were looking through. I think they knew it before Val Kilmer knew it.
Starting point is 00:26:53 But, yeah, they have the jump on a lot of stories. So, yeah, we want to go through the tabloids and see what we can find. to go through the tabloids and see what we can find. And so I get to go into our local grocery store once a week and buy all the tabloids off the shelves. And look like a total insane person. Look like a complete lunatic. But, you know, in addition to being occasionally right and knowing things before anyone else, I also think that they are underrated in terms of being a zeitgeist influencer.
Starting point is 00:27:33 They get tons and tons of eyeballs. Like, that's the one thing. No matter how much technology changes, people still go to the grocery store and are still passing by these headlines. And that's significant because Trump is really tight with the publisher who owns basically all – the same company owns the National Enquirer, the Globe, Us Weekly. Star Magazine. Star. OK. National Examiner. Also Muscle and, Us Weekly. Star Magazine. Star. OK. National Examiner.
Starting point is 00:28:06 Also, Muscle and Fitness. Right. Not People. No, they don't own People. People still belongs to the people. People is still of the people for the people. Right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:16 But yeah, that company. By the people. By the people for the people. People is the FUBU of tabloid magazines. But yeah, they're all owned by that American Media Inc. So the guy's name is David Pecker, who owns all of these. And he's just he's from Manhattan and like is the one person from Manhattan who was cool with Trump prior to him running for president and was pro Trump the whole time. That's why you see all these like just horrible pictures of Hillary on the front page of all these.
Starting point is 00:28:44 Also, we've noticed a strange anti-Steven Tyler bias in the Enquirer. Yes, the Enquirer and other tabloids by David Pecker. And we were wondering why that might be like last week. We noticed that they were making fun of how ugly his feet are, which, by the way, his feet are fucking. They look. Yeah, his feet are fucking. They look. Yeah. His toes are throwing up gang signs. Straight up gang signs.
Starting point is 00:29:07 That was a story that needed to be told. His toes look like gang signs. They're throwing up gang signs. That's fucking crazy. That's just good journalism. Letting the people know that that's what he's up to. But like they also have a thing like sicko Steven cuts and runs that all that's about is that like he had to cut a vacation short because he had a medical procedure right and like they don't say what the medical procedure is but they just use the fact
Starting point is 00:29:30 that he had to have a medical procedure to be like uh the sicko steven was on drugs all throughout the 80s and just like bring up his i don't understand are they mad at him for ending a vacation? So, no, no, no. Miles has a theory on it all stems back because Donald Trump was using dream on at his rallies. And Steven Tyler was like, yo, do not do not use my music at your at your at your fucking crazy white nationalist bullshit rallies and hit him with a cease and desist. So, yeah, i think that made him salty and then all trump's got to do is be like hey this is john miller uh calling i think uh steven tyler is a piece of shit right uh which is he has been known to do do we actually have that audio of him uh so this is donald trump calling so trump has a a relationship not just to David Pecker, but he he loves tabloids. He used to call the tabloids as himself and plant, you know, different like tips about him cheating on his wife. a person who was claiming to be Donald Trump's associate. Right.
Starting point is 00:30:45 Named John Miller. Named John Miller. And somebody recorded that. This is him pretending to not be himself. Harry, what's your name again? John Miller. John Miller. Can you sort of, I guess we're going to try and put a story together.
Starting point is 00:30:58 We have a deadline today. He's coming out of a marriage and he's starting to do tremendously well financially. Tremendously. There's a real estate depression in the United States, and he's probably doing as well as anybody there is. And frankly, he wants to keep it that way. And he just thought it was too soon to make any commitment to anybody. But he treated his wife well, and he will treat Marla well. And he's somebody that has a lot of options,
Starting point is 00:31:25 and frankly, you know, he gets called by everybody. He gets called by everybody in the book in terms of women. Why not? Well, he gets called by a lot of people. Yeah. Well, what about, I mean, this is Carla Brady. How important is she right now? Is she not?
Starting point is 00:31:39 Well, I think it's somebody that, you know, she's beautiful. I saw her once quickly, and she's beautiful and all, but I think that he's... I think. I think he... Real smooth, John Miller. I mean, he saw her. He saw her once. John Miller, eh?
Starting point is 00:31:56 Yeah. So, guys, what scoops did you find? Okay, well, I was going through Us Weekly. See, and guys, this is a tool for you guys, so you don't have to embarrass yourselves by buying these. Let us buy them and then just tell you the weirdest shit that we read. One of my favorite things was Loose Talk, where they just take quotes from celebrities, where Kim Kardashian says, this is a quote on meeting husband Kanye West, he was asking his friends, who is this Kim Kardashian?
Starting point is 00:32:23 He didn't know what my name was. Wow. So that's a good way to always start. Big scoop. That's cool that you should buy the tabloids in the stores, though, because I guess they have this thing where you can open it up and you hear the celebrities' voices now. Yeah, exactly. That wasn't a Miles impression. That was just, that was Kim.
Starting point is 00:32:40 That was Kim in the studio, it felt like. What do you got? Oh, wait, hold on. I got a couple of really stupid ones. They were also talking about a lot of celebrities having kids. And one was Spencer and Heidi Pratt from the Hills. Remember them? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:58 So when he was interviewed, he said that on the birth of their son, Gunnar, he said, officially the most lit day of my life. Oh, my gosh. Wow. This issue that I have is actually the cover story is Heidi and Spencer's Spidey, for those in the know. Their miracle baby. Let's also point out that they named their kid Gunner. Gunner with an E.
Starting point is 00:33:21 Was it the day of or the day after? Holy shit. First of all, why are you naming your kid that to begin with? But what poor timing and poor taste. I mean, as an Arsenal fan, I like the name Gunner because of our nickname, the Gunners. But yeah, I think it should be with an AR. Right. Ooh, that's another weird thing when you say AR with a Gunner.
Starting point is 00:33:41 Anyway, levels. There's levels. There's levels. Yeah, I have Spencer Pratt's dead eyes staring at me right now on the cover of this magazine uh i am so over it he's just like really are we doing this i'm looking at the mansion that oj simpson has holed up in uh apparently having sex with a prostitute that looks exactly like Nicole, which is weird. Wait, they have a photo of the prostitute? Yes.
Starting point is 00:34:09 How do they know she's a prostitute? Because I guess she works for the Bunny Ranch, I think. Oh, so he's in Nevada? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, he's still in Nevada. I think his parole might keep him from crossing state lines.
Starting point is 00:34:28 He did get an iPhone, though, which was something that I was excited about because he's been away from the outside world since before iPhones were a thing. So when OJ went in, there was just flip phones. Ben Affleck
Starting point is 00:34:43 is spiraling, you guys. Deservedly so, I think, as we've seen in recent days. Yeah. Wait, spiraling in what way? I mean, it's such an easy thing to say. Someone's spiraling. He's living on the street. He's literally spinning.
Starting point is 00:35:00 He's just spinning in circles. So he was in rehab earlier this year and has been seen like drinking and all hours of the night. Recently, his face looks very puffy. He's got that puffy face that we have when we're, you know, when things aren't going so good. And Jen, Jennifer Gardner, is now demanding that he get drug tested before having visitation with their kids. Well, I mean, he definitely needs help. And I feel for him in that aspect that, you know, anyone dealing with addiction, it's a very serious issue. And but, yeah, the last last few days what we've learned about um his inappropriate to say the least behavior around women and also the the apology that he
Starting point is 00:35:52 tweeted to that like former mtv vj tweeted yeah tweeted apology he tweeted it was the equivalent of just being like my bad it didn't even hit the character limit you know i couldn't even open the notes app yeah right and just do a screenshot like an image yeah no punctuation barely a sentence well you know it could be a lot of guilt off the fact that he him and matt damon know that uh they didn't write goodwill hunting right jack that's that's that you what that sound means? It's conspiracy corner. Yes, I believe that they did not write Good Will Hunting. They wrote a draft of Good Will Hunting that was a spy thriller in which, you know, that part where they were the Jason Bourne movies. Well, that's right.
Starting point is 00:36:39 So that part where he's going around getting interviewed by like different think tanks and spy agencies, he takes one of those jobs that spy bullshit and just focus on the guy in Southie being a genius amongst his friends, and that's enough movie. I think that he did more than just give them that one sentence piece of advice. And my logic is that, first of all, Matt Damon's movies all seem to have this like the roles he picks seem to have this like uh inner angst about being a fraud uh like his first the first big role he picked coming out of goodwill hunting he could have picked any role and he chose the town of mr ripley in which he's uh pretending to be a better person than he really is. You know, the Bourne movies, he's like trying to forget a past in which he did something bad.
Starting point is 00:37:52 These dots are really connected for me. I don't know about anyone else listening. And the other, the main piece of evidence I'd say is Good Will Hunting is a great, great script. William Goldman has written Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, Princess Bride. He's a great writer who was like somehow involved in claims. He wasn't paid millions of dollars to rewrite it and then pretend he didn't. Matt Damon has written what since Good Will Hunting?
Starting point is 00:38:21 His name on checks and that's it. No, he has people to do that. Come on. Right. But he, yeah, it's just weird that a guy who writes an incredible screenplay would just be like, yeah, yeah, that was fun. Now that I've proved to you guys
Starting point is 00:38:37 that I know how to write, I don't have to do that shit anymore because you already saw what happened, so don't ask me. Do you think people that work for Matt Damon are sitting around like, has anyone seen him write? Right.
Starting point is 00:38:48 Has anyone seen him hold a pen? Have you seen his signature? It's a smiley face. It's just an X. What other goss you got in there? What other conspiracies? That is not in the tabloid. I love celebrity conspiracy theories.
Starting point is 00:39:01 Thank you for sharing that, Chad. Well, speaking of celebrity conspiracy theories, one of the stranger ones that I discovered in – this is in the National Enquirer – is that Stevie Wonder can see. They believe that Stevie Wonder can see. What evidence do they have that Stevie Wonder can see? He's – in one video, he's reaching out to embrace somebody, and they're like, no way he would be able to do that. At another point, he snatches a falling microphone midair they're like enough evidence yeah but daredevil can do that shit right he's legit blind exactly well so this is a thing that uh we discovered back at cracked we had this uh section of the site personal experiences where we would like talk to people who had different interesting life experiences.
Starting point is 00:39:46 We talked to a blind guy who had a congenital condition that made him blind. He was saying that a thing that he and his uncles who were blind and his father who were blind all dealt with is people thinking that they were fakers.
Starting point is 00:40:03 That's a thing that blind people deal with. Like punking them like yeah like you're letting them see if they punch what he was like my father had a co-worker who would always rearrange the stuff on his desk to try and like prove that he was uh he wasn't actually blind and was faking and uh italy had like a whole like run of this where they like italians were all like trying to prove that their blind neighbors were just collecting a check and weren't really blind. There were national opinion pieces being written at the time about how Italians need to get over their suspicion of blind people. So that's a weird thing. Can you imagine public service posters on a subway or something?
Starting point is 00:40:50 Like, please just believe the blind people. Can you just leave them alone? Yeah, they're just hating because to say you're visually impaired or blind is the easiest one because it's like you're saying you are and you get to wear sunglasses all day. Right. So I guess if you were salty that you're working and you're like, this he acted like he blind man i could do that too watch i'm blind and i guess that fuels like their suspicion i mean again not to seem insensitive but you know what i mean like it well now you've got me thinking about would it be the easiest one because like if you pretend to
Starting point is 00:41:18 be paralyzed you just have to sit all the time yeah but you could tickle you i could tickle you and then you'd be like, ah, stop replaying. And then I'm like, gotcha. You're not paralyzed. I think for any of these, if you were to pretend to be impaired somehow, you can rely on the fact that most people don't know that much about medical science. And they just be like, well, I'm, you know, have 70%. This is so offensive. I should just stop probably.
Starting point is 00:41:41 Your impression of paralyzed people is just so offensive. Yeah, my impression of paralyzed people sounds just so offensive. Yeah, my impression of paralyzed people sounds remarkably like Miles' impression of Kim Kardashian. Kardashian? That's what you put. Just closing things out on the celebrity death watch.
Starting point is 00:41:58 They think Robert Redford is not looking good. Cher also not looking good. How much of these are just guesses, though? I think they're guesses. But yeah, I mean, they're guesses, but then we'll eventually pan out and then that's when they take credit. See, I told you Cher would die.
Starting point is 00:42:13 Yeah, like when Brad and Angelina broke up and was like, we called it. It's like you've been saying that for a decade. Right, right, right. And also Cher, that seems like a pretty easy choice based on her ongoing Twitter feud with Donald Trump that they'd be like, yeah, Cher's dying. She's dead. She's dying all the time. And not to pull a card out of the Enquirer's book, but I – one of my conspiracy theories that I told you guys about. I knew – I've been saying that Dolly Parton is tatted up, sleeved up, and she finally admitted to having tattoos, I think, many years ago.
Starting point is 00:42:48 And I just didn't notice. Very old article. You thought that you were someone that had this suspicion? You didn't know that she just did have all these tattoos? Yeah. It was my story. My scoop. Self-created.
Starting point is 00:43:04 Self-perpetuated. That's why she wears long-sleeve shirts is to hide her tattoos. And also she wears a weird little fingerless skin-colored glove because she's hiding her hand tattoos, I assume. Well, yeah, and she said she has keloid tissue from scars, which is why she even gets the tattoos. She said not because she's trying to flex on people and be like, yeah, I'm this tatted up crazy person. She just wanted to cover up some scars. Yeah. Likely story.
Starting point is 00:43:31 Now she's covering up the cover ups. What else is she covering up? What else does Dolly Parton have to hide? I bet she's behind Rotten Tomatoes. This goes deep. We'll connect those dots at a later episode. And we'll be right back after these messages Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th 2017
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Starting point is 00:47:46 And we're back. We don't have a lot of time left. But in that time, I did want to bring on our Harvey Weinstein expert, Anna Hosniak. You never have time for me. You never have time for me. Anna, so you've been following the Weinstein story and the fallout and sort of the, yeah, the chain reaction that this has caused in Hollywood. Yeah, I've gone very deep into sexual harassment claims. And now I'm following everyone. And I'm going to start smoking people out myself.
Starting point is 00:48:24 Oh, yeah. You smoked me out this morning. Yeah, I did. I owe you a blunt. Yeah. Yeah. No. In my research, you know, I looked really deep into Alfred Hitchcock and Tippi Hendrix.
Starting point is 00:48:36 Alfred Hitchcock? I'm sorry. Excuse me. Alfred Hitchcock? Yeah. Alfred Hitchcock. You said Alfred Hitchcock. Hitchcock. He's changing. Alfred Hitchcock? Yeah. Who said Alfred Hitchcock? He's changing.
Starting point is 00:48:48 Alfred Hitchcock. He was really terrible to the women in his movies. Yeah, and Tippi Hedren. I say with a smile in my voice for some reason. He was like the best at just being terrible. God, what a classic. You know, what a Hollywood classic. Ledge.
Starting point is 00:49:01 A terrifying movie. Yeah. God, what a classic. You know, what a Hollywood classic. Ledge. Yeah, apparently one of the shots in the birds, the way he got it, was by tying an actual bird to her face, and the bird just scratched the shit out of her. And apparently that was because Tippy turned him down the night before. He tried to kiss her or something like that.
Starting point is 00:49:23 Oh, no. And he's like, Then you'll kiss these birds. And he's like, good evening. You won't kiss me, you'll kiss my birds. You'll kiss these birds then. I mean, how do you even tie a bird to someone's face? Also, what are the mechanics? With wire?
Starting point is 00:49:37 Movie magic. Yeah. Yeah, why is no one talking about the abuse towards the bird? Come on. Whoa, birds rights. Birds rights. Birds rights activist. Yeah, an Amazon Studios head was just put on leave. Abuse towards the bird. Come on. Whoa. Birds rights. Birds rights. Birds rights activist. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:45 And Amazon Studios head was just put on leave, Mr. Roy Price, for making inappropriate comments to a TV producer of The Man in the High Castle. And this woman came out about it in the summer and they didn't do anything. So she came out again when the Weinstein stuff happened and was finally like, oh, maybe they'll take me seriously. People are noticing this stuff now. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:06 So zero tolerance is starting to become a thing now that Weinstein has been ousted. Yeah. And I think I mean, I think we're seeing, you know, there was the O'Reilly thing. There have been rumors about him for a long time. And then finally, like he was like there was enough smoke and also people boycotted the advertisers enough that they finally fired him and then ales came right behind him. So, like, I do think that there's sort of a snowball effect where these predators are being kind of smoked out. Yeah. And to add to a little bit of that Bloyd news, I was reading something about Holly Madison, a former bunny who was on the Girls Next Door show, talked recently a lot about how abusive Hugh Hefner was like mentally and what a rough time she had living in the mansion. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:03 The Hefner legacy is sorted. the mansion. Yeah. Yeah. The Hefner legacy is... Sorted. Sorted. Yeah. That, uh, I've been to the mansion a few times, and you can just, like, the energy in certain places is just, like, fucking bad. It's weird. It's like, like, there's, like, a game room where, like, there's a bunch of arcade machines,
Starting point is 00:51:18 and then, like, there's this other side room that has a, like, a Tempur-Pedic floor, essentially, with, like, mirrors all around. And, like, we were shooting aedic floor essentially with like mirrors all around and like we were shooting a video and they like had to set up like some gear in there and I was like this just yeah miles used to work for playboy for
Starting point is 00:51:34 the boy as a model as a model yep yeah and they told me I was too thick so I you have to tell that story that I was too thick yeah guys yeah my Instagram story that i was too thick yeah uh guys yeah on my instagram uh not much of a story miles is just too thick yeah just too thick yeah if you just check out check out my body um yeah on instagram i posted a picture like where like it was a bit i did on
Starting point is 00:51:56 some some videos i had like goth makeup on and my mom texts me and she's like oh i saw it and i'm not being this is my mom japanese like, I saw a picture of you with makeup on. You look pretty. I say, yeah, I'm experimenting with my sexuality. Her response is, ha ha ha, you're too thick. So, I guess my mom's saying I'm too thick-bodied
Starting point is 00:52:18 to even experiment with my sexuality. I don't know. To attract men. Yeah. Shout out to Spooky Yuki. Is that your nickname for? Yeah, we call her Spooky Yuki. Is that your nickname for? Yeah, we call her Spooky Yuki. Her name is Yuki, but we like to. It sounds like a slur. No, it's fun.
Starting point is 00:52:31 It's funny because I used to live in the back house of like the little guest house and like where my mom's house. Because you're too thick to fit in the doors of the regular house. Yeah, she was like, you're too thick to live in the house. Go to the back. Everyone would just be like, I don't know, smoking weed back there, playing video games. And sometimes my mom's just a fucking ninja dude. Like it's creepy.
Starting point is 00:52:48 And just like, what are you doing in there? And we're like, Oh shit. Spooked us out. So spooks, spooks to the ukes. It's a term of endearment.
Starting point is 00:52:55 I love you, mom. Uh, yeah. So anyway, it's a good time for women to start coming out about sexual abusers and hopefully more people in power who have been, uh,
Starting point is 00:53:04 abusing their power if you will the real test will be when we see it happening to people that are universally liked um i mean it took years for anything to stick with cosby and then even like when he was finally on trial you have these depositions where he's being like basically being like yeah i did it and then the jury's like and then yeah then there's a mistrial so i feel like i yeah i i feel like it's kind of i don't know like i'm glad that this is happening but it's also kind of like you get a little bit of a piling on because like nobody really liked harvey weinstein and was just like afraid to say it so it's like in some ways now it's like publicly okay to shit
Starting point is 00:53:46 on harvey weinstein i think like you know i don't know when we find out that someone that we all love is a huge monster it's more like oh i can't i i maybe we should hear both sides like i feel like that'll be the real test right now roker well it's interesting it's purely speculated that there's no uh allegedly, don't sue me. Allegedly. Not even allegedly. Not even allegedly. I'm just saying, just calling out names.
Starting point is 00:54:09 That was an example. This podcast where they're telling us to shut it down right now. I know. People are still defending Hitchcock. They won't give in to that. They won't. They claim Tippy's lying. I mean, well, yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:19 And look at Woody Allen and Roman Polanski. It's just like, well, you know, all these people that still do Woody Allen movies and are just like, oh, I separate the art from the artist. And it's just like, yeah, well. I don't know if those women can separate the assault from the artist. Right. Well, thank you, Anna, for coming on. No problem. Our Harvey Weinstein, everybody.
Starting point is 00:54:44 The expert. Don't sue me. Oh, uh, all right. We're going to go out on, uh, just a happy story. Uh,
Starting point is 00:54:52 these, this couple who, uh, got released by the Taliban. Um, and apparently had three kids while in captivity. That is, how the fuck are you going to have three, you're in a Taliban cave prison and
Starting point is 00:55:08 you're like, you know, I can't imagine how that's an environment where you're thinking like, when are we going to get out? And he's like, hey, you trying to fuck? Hey, it's a good distraction. Just get my mind off some shit. But that poor woman, like, I can't believe the stressful environment of being a Taliban prisoner and you're pregnant on top of that maybe she's into it don't you know you don't victimize her when she's i mean she's
Starting point is 00:55:30 a victim of the taliban but like in terms of her relationship yeah maybe some people have their like five-year plan and it's like i got i got this window a prime childbearing years we're not gonna let a little kidnapping get in the way of my biological clock is ticking i don't care where we are yeah they probably you know they asked the taliban like can we like fry you guys mind like just like freezing our eggs while we're here yeah they're just like nope they're like all right i guess we'll fuck they're like we actually have a fertility clinic uh and a great prenatal care too the taliban little no tell your friends that you know that that story doesn't get out enough about us, the Taliban.
Starting point is 00:56:06 Great prenatal care. Uh, all right. That's going to do it for us for episode one of season two. Season two. Season two coming at you. Uh, Alison,
Starting point is 00:56:17 thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me. Where can people find you? Um, you can find me on Twitter at Alison L. Seidman. And, uh, uh yeah that's enough probably okay miles where can people find you uh you can find me uh probably a chick-fil-a uh no wait yeah maybe it's if the chicken is really good y'all i'm not gonna lie and you can find me at jack underscore o'brien you can follow the podcast at Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter. You can follow us on Instagram at The Daily Zeitgeist.
Starting point is 00:56:50 And we have a Facebook page, too. So go there. Like us. We are still working on getting the website up and running so that we can get you guys footnotes. Yeah, these aren't just lies that we're trying to push. Right. Exactly. Most of this is based on facts.
Starting point is 00:57:06 See our sourcing. All right. Until tomorrow. Wow. Defne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th, 2017, was assassinated. Crooks Everywhere unearthed the plot to murder a one-woman WikiLeaks. She exposed the culture of crime and corruption
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