The Daily Zeitgeist - Trumpism Without Trump? Yellowjackets Theories! 1.19.22

Episode Date: January 19, 2022

In episode 1066, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Ever Mainard to discuss Jack’s prayers kind of answered with new ITV doc…also Ghislaine ready to talk?, Thought experiment - Does Trumpism continue without Trump?, Anna’s Streaming Corner: Yellowjackets and more! Jack’s prayers kind of answered with new ITV doc… Also Ghislaine ready to talk? Thought experiment - Does Trumpism continue without Trump? Who Is King of Florida? Tensions Rise Between Trump and a Former Acolyte. Listen: Autumn Antique by Teebs Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio apps, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 220 episode 2 of their daily zeitgeist it's a production of iheart radio this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into america's shared consciousness and it is wednesday january 19th 2022 which of course means that it is national popcorn day oh love popcorn. Love a popcorn. Just one, though. One and done.

One and done. But screw all that full bag night stuff. Yeah. Oh, man, I almost ate a whole bag of like Popcornopolis popcorn that I got at the supermarket. And I heard Matthew was looking at me like fool you are you are you joking with me or are you or yourself at this point you're eating so much popcorn like it's so good it's honey and butter i don't know why i didn't think of this sooner that shit the zebra or whatever the one with the chocolate oh good i mean that's just candy that's just candy. That's fine. It tastes just like candy. All right. Well, my name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a.

I'm gonna drink pee again. My throat has got a scratchy feeling. Not gonna get vaxxed, my friend. You know I'm not a fool. Should have known better than to pee and flush and waste this pee that I've been given. You know I'm going to drink pee again. And you should drink pee too. That is courtesy of Suburban Panic Attack.

And just my general self-care habits these days. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as as always by my co-host mr miles gray and darling i lost all our savings on nfts yeah but baby the market completely fell fell god please don't leave i'm just thinking about how people stay in love babe i'm begging please stay uh shout out to christy amaguchi made for that just wonderful ed sheeran uh inspired nft tribute because yes i i don't know if you've hacked my text messages, but I may have lost all of my savings on NFTs. Yeah, man. Which one was it? This one. You remember the basketball player Popeye Jones?

So I bought his whole set just out the gate. I dropped $16,000 on it. His whole set? I'm upside down on these Popeye Jones NFTs, man. He released an entire universe of NFTs? Not just... 42 different tokens, man. Popeye Jones. So basically, I gave Popeye Jones $16,000, and he's not giving any of that.

You just do what you want, Popeye. You casually have $16,000? Not anymore. Look, I'm going to be real, Everett. I'm mad. Sorry. Y'all haven't even introduced me yet. I said, I know. This is that.

Everett's coming for our heads today. This is how you get there. You have to tell your parents you need all kinds of medical procedures. Like, oh, my knee, man. I need to go see an orthopedic. And then they're like, they don't take my insurance. And you slowly start siphoning the money around from other people. And then you get to $16,000. and then you give it to Popeye Jones yeah yeah

maybe that's what I should do with all my top surge money but if I invest now I can get 18 top surgeries well miles anyway I'm cutting for you ronald jerome jones is that popeye miles yeah popeye is is it a coincidence that you gave all your money to someone named popeye on popcorn day or that this was just a build-up this yeah this was this was a kind of a long time coming got it yeah well miles we're thrilled to be joining our third seat by someone who has told us both to shut the fuck up more times than most

guests by this point in the recording. We had to edit them out. And been with both our moms. Yeah. Twice. She held my hand after. Oh my god. Ever. Intimate.

Bully. I'm so sorry. They are a hilarious and acclaimed comedian, actor, and podcast host. You know from Team Coco's Meet the Staff and the movie The Feels. That's one of your favorite guests. One of our favorite guests, the brilliant and talented Ever Maynor! It was so nice

to be here before I canceled myself. Man, we're just that pre-show energy, you know? I was a lot mad before I fact-checked your claims with my mom, and she was like, yeah, that's true. Fact-checked your claims with my mom. She was like, yeah. Go ahead, fact-check them. That's true.

Ever is a generous lover. What's good ever? I mean, gosh. Well, I really am. I leave and this comes out on the 19th. By then, I'll be having top surgery in nine days

so i know i can't i can't wait thank you so much but lately my days have been consisting y'all know y'all remember that movie like cock-a-doodle-doo where the rooster had like a little guitar i don't know what the fuck the name it was like turture like and the rooster wanted to be like a rock star okay okay oh rooster rock star basically i've just been like rock out with your cock out right yeah it's seven is it rock a doodle do yeah rock a doodle yeah rock a doodle more like cock a doodle what i'm sorry i've've been alone. I live alone now. It's unhealthy. But yeah, I've just been strutting around the apartment like honestly like Popeye or like SpongeBob just being like, yeah, I've been. Okay. I don't know if we're supposed to get to this yet about search histories, but I've been watching a lot of um peck workout videos nice to yeah but it's also like the most toxic dudes like this guy just being like you grip the two plates pussies and it's like okay yeah and then in between x every time you press out, just say your fucking stepdad's name.

Fucking Stewart. And you're in for a breath. You're like, what the? Stewart? Damn. What is this shit? And then sometimes they refer to their pecs as titties. And I'm like, this is interesting.

I was like, what is this? All right. Then you were fucked. Yeah, I remember. There are ones like they always the thumbnails are like this is the fucking secret to get your pecs fucking carved and then it's always just like i don't know do this do the same workout everyone else is saying but like some people are just like because my muscles are more apparent this will be a better sort of marketing job for you to click

the thumbnail yeah right it's always diamond push-ups. And I'm like, I don't have that strength. Get those wide grip, you know, those flies. Oh, yeah. I mean, there you're talking about tries. Dive bombers? Oh, maybe, yeah. Maybe I was giving the wrong advice.

Yeah, you got to go wide for the pecs. Yeah, speaking of two guys. Your mom goes wide for the pecs. for the for the packs yeah yes we get two your mom goes wide for the yeah two guys with the the most developed chests in the podcast game yeah people come for the weightlifting tips it's wild though because like you hear you hear people who are otherwise you know not toxic when like there's only one way to talk about like that weight lifting shit i feel like that they will just slide into the yeah so you want to get a good pump going and you want to like get real defined tonage and just like immediately i don't know if it's in my head

but i'm immediately like taken back to you know every shitty gym teacher, you know, trainer that I've ever hung out with, which is a lot. I think I was mostly training. Yeah, what are you doing just hanging out? Kind of my. They're all veiny, too. That's another. Escalarity. Like, just dehydrated.

I'm like, you're drinking too much salt, bud. Yeah. That low body fat, man. Just got veins on my abs, bro. Yeah. Nah, I'm good. All right. Well, Ever, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment.

I think your listeners know me. Yeah, but even better. Okay, here we go. Better maybe than they even want to, but they're going to get to know you real well. Maybe then they even want to, but they're going to get to know you real well. And before we get to that, though, let's talk about a few of the things we're talking about. Miles, in this headline, you said my prayers were kind of answered with this new ITV doc. Basically, people are starting to dig into the world behind the world of Prince Andrew. And it is so much sadder than like i expected to be sad yeah but

it's uh devastating so some of the shit like emotionally devastating just like the reality of what this grown man's life was right with regards to having his uh soft animals is that what they're called soft stuffies i think is what we call them these days yeah and it like even in fact like because you know i have a three-year-old and a five-year-old who have stuffed animals and now i feel weird about that oh like prince andrew has the concept yeah we'll ruin stuffed animals for everyone so we'll talk about that we'll talk about whether trumpism can continue without trump and you know v. DeSantis feud that is continuing to, you know, royal the worlds of, not that royal that we're talking about in the first story. But yeah, people are upset. They

don't know what to do. It's a mess in Mega World. Yeah. Who ends up on top? And like, It's a mess in Mega World. Yeah, who ends up on top? And what even is the metric for Trumpism? I think it's kind of what this feud sort of brings to the surface. I think Ever would say that my mom ends up on top. Trying to keep my mouth shut. But I was like, you guys are doing some business work. When you said, Ever, we're going to get to know you better in a minute.

I could have swore I saw Ever fight back, like, got to know your mom real good. I know. I was like, just get through the intro. We're on pins and needles, Amber. We're just on pins and needles constantly. Like, when's it coming? Don't. Don't.

Don't. Don't. We might get to some crypto bros who spent $3 million on a Dune book. What? I feel better now about the Popeye Jones. Yeah. And then it is the episode where we're going to do Anna's Streaming Corner about Yellow Jackets. It's, you know, last episode of season one of Yellow Jackets went last night, two nights ago, I guess.

Yeah. Three nights ago, actually. I just watched it last night. And so we're going to talk about it, even if you haven't watched it, if you don't mind spoilers, ever has not watched it. And, you know. Or at least saw the first episode, right? I saw the first episode. Okay, so enough to be thoroughly confused and just drawn in by this conversation.

Yeah, I like it. Yeah, yeah. All of that, plenty more. But first ever, we do like to ask our guests, is there anything in your search history besides Peck videos? Yeah, actually, I've been reading a lot of like gender studies and like LGBTQ history books. and like LGBTQ history books.

So it's like that, videos about with Susan Stryker and also just researching for Broncos. So I ordered one in 2020. I was going to say, this has been, yeah, I remember. Talk about a saga. Oh, and then CJ Toledano got one, right? Wasn't this, weren't we talking about this? Yes, and I'm like like how the fuck and then now

my friend got theirs showed up to my house last i was pit i was i'm happy for them but i'm like seething with jealousy i'm just like cool i'm so glad you got yours and then you know whatever i don't know oh so i've been like, this is the LT package. Great. Seats are so comfortable. I've been on like Reddit forums being like, I've got this code for my Ford Bronco. What does it mean? And they're like, stay out.

Is it a classic Ford Bronco? I think you told us. No, it's the brand new one. The brand new Ford Bronco. I can't even get that one out well it's first there's a chip shortage and then they couldn't get the roofs right so everything's on back order and then when when there is one on the lot most likely it's a soft top and i was like i don't have a project but now they're selling it for like 60 000 95 000

oh my god this is a 30 000 truck What's your evolution with, you know, getting into the Bronco? Like, did you used to have like back in the day, did your family ever have like that Bronco or it's always a car you were into because of OJ or what was it? Honestly, OJ is a, is a big inspiration. Shout out to OJ. Shout out to the families of OJ. Shout out to the Goldman family. No, I've always loved like classic trucks. And I think I was about to buy like an 80s. Like I was like, I'll never have money for a house in Los Angeles. So why not get like a classic truck? Live in a Bronco.

Yeah, why not live in a Bronco? But then I was like, oh, maybe I should actually just get top surgery and spend whatever money I was gonna get on a truck on that but growing up we had like I had like classic trucks throughout like high school and I say classic now because we were poor and uh that was the only thing available but I had like a 67 Ford short short bed with like a factory installed gun rack so yeah it was. Yeah, it was. I just hung my backpack on it, but looking back it's pretty fucked up.

Damn. Beep, beep. It's a gun rack, guys. You went to high school in Texas? Yeah. So they were like, okay. Right. Well, remember when, y'all remember when Columbine hit? 420. 420 Mm hmm. 420.

420. 1969. 420 hit differently. Yeah. Well, that's when like we would have like cops come in. Oh, something's going on in the hood. I don't know if y'all can hear the helicopters. But that's when we had like cops come in and like gun sniffing dogs.

That's when we had like cops come in and like gun sniffing dogs. And then everybody got pulled out of class because most of the kids went like dove hunting or deer hunting before school. Right. They were just covered in gunpowder. And everyone was like shaking. Right. They're like swab his hands for some gunshot residue. It's like we all. We all have guns.

You know this. Anyways. You're my dad. It's complicated. guns. You know this. Anyways. You're my dad. It's complicated. Yeah. You gave me the gun. But yeah, I just, I don't know. I've always wanted a truck and, you know, now I, I drive a Prius and it just, you know.

Yeah. Now you're ready. It's hard to feel tough when it's like. Was that you putting it in drive yes yep i know that sound now you want that like flow now you can put flow masters on i'm ready to spend a lot of money on gas right yeah fill her up exactly what i'm so sorry i pulled out a gun yeah so yeah harder to sneak up on people not that you'll need to because you can just run run them down why would i want to sneak up right what i'm so sorry guys i again have just it's been a long four-day weekend no three-day weekend who cares i live alone now

i'm not used to it i'm getting more used to it and when i don't talk out loud i was like yeah i get to talk and then it's just like guns kids your mom fuck i've just been taking you know like pre pre-workout supplements morning, noon, and night. I'm just like, ah. Yeah, I know. It's funny you mentioned that. I used to date somebody when I was in high school or just getting out of high school who had an early Prius. That's how she would sneak out of her house.

She was always like, it's the best. They never wear it when I get home or leave. I was like okay that's kind of put it in that ev mode yeah exactly just to get out and you're like that's how i have to sneak out on your mom there we go bring it back and sneaky what's something you think is overrated honestly wordle because i'm bad at spelling so i refuse to play it i'm an idiot you know like i'm trying to figure out how to spell

exercise and it's like excisors excisors exorcisors um so yeah what have y'all been playing exorcisors pizza i've been playing yeah i haven't been playing. I'm on a six streak. I had a six streak, lost and back on a six streak. What's that mean? Do you have a six streak? I just look up the answer every day and then put it in. It's pretty easy actually. I'm sorry. You're going to have to explain this to me. I don't play because I don't. Every day there's just a word that is just one word every day and it's five five letters every time and then you just put in a word to start and it tells you which of the letters it tells you if any of the letters in the word you put in are in the

final five letter word and if the letter you guessed is in the right place and then you just like kind of go down from there. Oh, interesting. Okay. And it also tells you the ones if. So by process of elimination, you know, the ones that you guessed were not in the word. And then so that helps.

Okay. Yeah. I'm very. What if this is the government's way to be like, we need, what are those like cryptologist or. Yeah. You know, code breakers? I'm sorry, guys. Yeah, yeah.

What if this is the government? I'm Joe Rogan. No, I'm not playing Wartle, man. You shouldn't be playing Wartle. They're recruiting you. No, I don't play Wartle. Exactly. Yeah.

There's definitely, I'd say, a not insignificant portion of the W Wordle playing population that has had that fantasy that like this is that they're going to be contacted by like the secret like CIA, like papal CIA or whatever the fuck Robert Langdon is. And those Nicholas Cage. What's that Nick Cage movie? American Treasure. U.S. National. That's that Nick Cage movie? American treasure. U.S. Treasure. Something like that. National treasure. National. That's the one.

So, yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's look, that's what I wake up every morning hoping. Check my inbox, hoping that the pope has reached out and let me know that they got some word word puzzles to solve. Latin. I mean, it should be no surprise that word will some word puzzles to solve. Latin. I mean, and it should be no surprise that Wordle also breaks down to Lord We. You know, so. Damn.

I mean. It's anywhere. Look, you can find them anywhere you look. You should be playing Wordle, man. That's pretty good. Yeah, man. There's no L in it. Yeah, there is.

Lord. Damn. Lord We. Damn, dude. Lord We covered you today. You should probably include my mind Damn, dude. Lord, we covered you today. Thank you. That's what I'm saying. Keep it focused on Christ.

We're reaching out to you. Bless us. Leonardo da Vinci did love word jumbles. That's the one thing we learned from the da Vinci code. It's like, get a life, dude. What are you trying to prove? Word jumbles. Yeah, Leonardo. Okay, Leonardo, get a life, dude. What are you trying to prove? Leonardo. Okay, Leonardo,

we get it. You're a genius. Hey, do something new. Yeah. What's something you think is underrated? Oh, shit. I really did think I had a really good underrated one. But again, I think just talking out loud is really underrated, guys. And carving out time to call your mom. both of your moms, as well as my own mom.

Like, this is unhealthy. I'm like, oh, I'm really enjoying this conversation. And it's like, wait, I'm a part of this conversation. Wait, so, wait, catch me up on what your last four days, like you like almost like an ascetic like a monk where you know like i i hang out i you know like i see friends and then the chat and then it's like oh it's real it gets real quiet i read a lot i've never like lived alone as an adult right from like i don't know when i was like 25 and. Recently, I was always either living with like a partner or a roommate. And now I'm like, at first it was fun.

It was like Home Alone or like whatever movie that. Risky Business. And I was like, yeah. And then now I'm like. You're like your mom. Yeah. The second I speak to someone. Yeah.

I guess I'll sneak into your mom's house. Maybe she'll make me some breakfast. You know what? I'm making your mother breakfast this week. There we go. That's right. There you go. Yeah.

So then I just dust. Right now, I just can't stop dusting. I'm like, well, I better dust. I'm going to spend an hour dusting. And then after that, I guess I'll sweep. There it is. Okay. I don't know. Just been, I've also,

I think that also like has sparked my interest in like learning about queer history because I've had time to think and then I was like, oh, I like learning this. Right. Underrated education. There it is. Yeah.

I mean, I do, it does feel like maybe I'm in a sad place in my life, but I have to tell you that I'm actually not sad. I'm just adjusting to living alone. No, I don't think that at all. Okay, tight. You seem great. Yeah, tight.

Well, yeah, I can only imagine, too. Like, I've never lived solo dolo. Like, I'm the same. It's roommates or a partner every time. But I don't know. Do you have siblings? I'm an only child, so I like i could probably like adapt to that but i think also it's i was like i've been like sometimes my roommates wouldn't be home and i was like why does now feel even more lonely we're not going out it's still

the pandemic but now i have young yeah we don't talk we we won't bring that up um it's pretty rough. Yeah. Yeah. But like, I think I was like, why does it feel so weird? And it's like,

Oh, I used to go to comedy shows every night or like hang out. And now it's like, I can't because if I go out and I get sick, well, yeah. It's all my NFT money down the drain. Right.

Did you really spend $16,000 on it? Fuck no. Okay. $16,000 on Popeye Jones. a drink did you really spend sixteen thousand dollars on fuck no okay sixteen thousand dollars i didn't get the joke and and i was really worried i was like wow but then i say things so straight faced a lot of the time that i do get tweets or people think i get times if they've never heard the show they're like dude you really think like trump was right and i'm like yes did you hear everything else i said on either side of that anyway i get it but and it was a compelling story it does feel like something that would happen you have people i wish i knew how to make them because now i'm seeing things like bill blah blah blah from idaho just made six million dollars you know just right making a jpeg

yeah i'm sorry those are few and far between so yeah but like to your point i mean with trump it's pretty pretty obvious and questionable if somebody thinks that you're uh you're team trump on on something but nfts you'll just hear like just hear the most people who otherwise seem very normal being like, no, but NFT's legit. That's the future of money and you need to get in the game. Like my good friend Reese Witherspoon. Have you guys met Reese? Are you prepared for the digital future? My soldiers, my crypto warriors. Crypto warriors! Lord, we come to you as your crypto warriors.

Lord, bless us and anoint us in your mercy as we fight on for crypto supremacy on your behalf, Christ. In the metaverse. I mean, have y'all been yet? This is how y'all find out I've just been living in the metaverse. Yeah. Yeah, I'm depressed, but I'm living in the metaverse. It's sick, though.

I could be anybody I want. I pretended to be Sam Kinison for 40 minutes and nobody knew. Nobody knows who that is anymore. I spent $16,000 on the metaverse. I got a great house. What is this? The metaverse? Ah! Ah! You're wearing

a beret. That was one of the best uses of a beret, I think. He really wore that well. Yeah. Was that because in the 80s, everyone needed a bit? They're like, Sam, you can't just be out there screaming with your long hair.

You need a beret also. He's French. He was. Yeah. No, I'm teasing. Hey, guys, I'm kidding. That's my sixteen thousand dollar on an nft joke yeah he's french i'm kidding you had me going there for a second i really did all right let's take a quick break we'll be back to talk about prince andrew Drew. feeling overwhelmed. Or can I negotiate a higher salary if this is my first real job? Girl, yes.

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This is Rip Current, available now with new episodes every Thursday. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. So, a little background. Last week, you know, a judge said Prince Andrew was going to be able to stand trial in New York. The queen promptly was like, well, he's going to be facing those charges as a private citizen and pulled all of his ceremonial military things. Yeah. Like best sweater person. Most sweat in the Royal Air Force or something like that. I think it's not silly that they're like, here like a i mean it's just on paper it's just right it's just a paper it's like i don't know i feel like that's kind of a slap in the face it's like when someone you know

it's like hollywood nepotism where like the kid or nephew or niece or some descendant family member of like someone at the top of the company comes in like yeah so they're going to be a producer now yeah and they're like i'm sorry what the title only but actually yeah right co-ep co-ep don't bother them yeah yeah so so i had said at the time i would i would love to see a documentary somebody needs to get in there and be like andy you need to tell your story because like what we've seen of him has been you know very just bumbling and he's been incapable of you know behaving as like like he is going through a you know the four-day weekend your weekend you're describing ever but like an entire lifetime of just being completely cut off from any normal human interaction for his entire lifetime. And apparently, asking you shall receive, ITV started dropping a documentary that is way sadder than I had expected when I said I wanted to see this.

I know. When I saw the headline, I was like, oh, OK, this might be something Jack might be interested. It's called the ITV documentary. It's called Ghislaine, Prince Andrew and the Pedophile. And it's about, you know, his relationship with Maxwell and also suggests that they potentially may have been lovers. But the thing that a lot of people are talking about, just sort of more as it relates to his sort of quirks as a royal baby man was this quote a laminated diagram was kept in a drawer in andrew's bedroom at buckingham palace showing exactly how his beloved soft toy collection should be arranged along with cushions emblazoned with words such as daddy ducks and prince so yes the placement of the royal dolls was apparently a potential

flashpoint for anyone who was working in buckingham palace and this comes from people that worked in the palace some point to this one guy paul page is like having like these other controversies but the the story was then you know backed up by another person as well. They're saying that it says when the Duke of York, is that his? Yes. She's the Duchess of York. I thought they were just calling him Doy. Yeah.

But it says when the DOI, the Duke of York, is staying overnight, place one small teddy and cushion in the turndown. When making the bed, place the teddy and cushion next to the teddy on the left-hand side with the necklaces on. I don't know what that means, but apparently... You know what that means. Yeah. We all get it. We know. We see you. We've all been there.

But apparently, if the shits were out of place, he would, quote, shout and scream. That truly... Think about the NDAs in that palace like i've been watching succession so that's i would love that bring it back but also like you know when you're like a pa have y'all ever been a pa where it's just like the dumbest shit and you can't say shit because like your boss is an an epitized ep or whatever right imagine that but like arranging the royal dolls like right you're just like motherfucker this piece of shit and i don't know just that feeling of like i don't give a fuck i don't give a fuck that you want this is how i'm like yeah i don't i can't swear right you guys bleep it out what

we just talked about okay well now see now i'm all in my head i'm like yeah i don't i can't swear right you guys bleep it out what we just talked about okay well now see now i'm all in my head i'm like fuck you and then fuck this you guys don't fucking swear right well just like imagine like being the person like dreading coming into work because you gotta like arrange some fucking dolls or some ding dong's gonna like scream it and it's just like just drink the coffee if you don't like the coffee, just get over it. I don't know. You'll die if they don't have the necklaces on. Yeah, I'm being triggered clearly as like a past PA. Just like, no, give it.

I don't care what Al Gore wants. Like, I worked on an Al Gore shoot for like, it was a 24 hour, whatever. He was a nice guy, I'll say that. But the production crew. But the people around them. Yeah. That's where you get it i was like slob on my knob motherfuckers like corn on the cob check in with me and do your job

and guess what al it's never gonna happen your presidential campaign and stopping climate change nobody nobody gives a fuck about your inconvenient truth asshole yeah you want to here's a here's an inconvenient truth for you back from the wilderness ever attacks but you know just alongside this story right like yes mummy took away his royal medals or whatever the fuck and you're being like okay you're on your own for this one because as you see uh this house this whole fucking family's already embroiled in so many controversies please get this shit away from me and if that wasn't bad enough we have also found out that Ghislaine Maxwell has apparently

signaled to her lawyers that she is willing to name the eight John Doe's, the people whose names were sealed from that prior case from the 2015 lawsuit that was brought by Virginia Giuffre, who that was the one where like part of the sort of settlement for the lawsuit that was actually settled in 2017, just kept these eight names from being put out in the public that they're sealed. Right right her lawyers are sort of just saying like well there's not much point like the trial's over so there's really you know she's got nothing less left to lose if you know she just wants to come out and have these things unsealed then that's what we're gonna do now the lawyer says quote the objections of these eight men

amounts to quote generalized aversion to embarrassment and negativity that may come from being associated with Epstein and Maxwell. And, quote, this is not enough to keep the information sealed. So. When are we going to get to see those names? As soon as Ghislaine Maxwell dies mysteriously. Right. I don't know. I I'm really curious what this means.

Like we were always trying to, you know, we're always curious what this means like we were always trying to you know we're always curious what other like names will be brought to light like in a very you know pointed way not just like looking at flight logs and things like that so i don't know that's it's very interesting i think for people who who have always been like more people need to be brought out into the light so things can be addressed yeah yeah and we'll see yeah as grotesque as like the revelations about this person being like so developmentally stunted that they have the stuffies that they demand like that this is still it would be one thing if they were kept in the palace to just you know do their own thing but they were shielded from consequences but then let left to go out and

you know cause immense amounts of damage so yeah you know that that is what why a docu-series you know where they're like andy tell us the truth man they're not gonna help you you got to get your side of the story out there would be valuable i think because this is like this is the reality of of celebrity and royalty and just all and inequality and all this shit yeah it's like and this is natural what it means, live in a reality where you've never heard the word no. Right. And quite literally, your wish is some lowly, you know, person's command. Like, put the necklaces on the stuffy next to daddy pillow.

Fuck. I mean, I don't know. Who do you guys think these other eight men are going to be, though? God, I hope it's just like Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, Bill Gates. Could you imagine, like, who do you think is going to die in a prison next? Also, do you guys think that he really is dead in a prison or do you think he got away? I love that version where it's like, no, dude, he's out. He got out.

They snuck him out. They were like, we got you, dog. Yeah. No, he's dead. He's dead. He's dead. He got out. They snuck him out. They were like, we got you, dog. Yeah. No, he's dead. He's dead. He's dead. He's dead. He's died.

My guesses are that, like, my hope is that there are people that are such elevated status that it truly will alter things. The fact that they are, like, vault like sealed like has to be like you know i don't know get some popcorn national popcorn day shit's about to pan we'll see what the judge does though you know and who knows what kind of external forces might be acting on the judge i know yeah keep keep your eyes peeled hey guys tune it watch this space watch this big news coming soon watch this space. Watch this pod. Big news coming soon. Watch this space, guys. Eight names. Drop it tomorrow. It was reported 36 hours ago.

Yeah, I know, but we're talking about right now. Yeah, but watch this space. But watch it. Watch it. Has anything happened with the juror that they got to claim, like, say all the things that would be necessary to overturn the conviction? Is that still... That felt like, OK, they realized you don't need to get to the juror before the trial.

You can get to them after and just have it overturned. Yeah, I haven't seen any movement on that. Oh, that sounds like me in an email. Hey, guys, I haven't seen any movement on that circling back. We'll check in later. I'm sorry. We'll check in later. Where am I with that retrial? in an email. Hey guys, haven't seen any movement on that. Circling back. We'll check in later. I'm sorry. We'll check in later. Where am I at with that retrial?

Yeah. Hey, I haven't seen any movement on this. So yeah, I'll, I'll follow up. Okay. Quick thought experiment.

Does Trumpism continue without Trump? What, what's going to happen with, you know, the number one, our number one guy, heir to the throne, Ron DeSantis and Trump feuding? Like, is there a possibility that this just becomes DeSantis's party because Trump has admitted like his ego won't let him become an anti-vaxxer because he claims that he invented vaccines, I think. Yeah. So it's it. The situation is really

interesting because we talked about how Trump called him DeSantis gutless for not saying whether or not he was boosted or vaccinated or whatever. And then a New York Times piece comes out and it's pretty much like, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, there's beef. There's real beef here because Trump basically is saying, like, I took you from obscure guy to like top gubernatorial candidate when i endorsed you now you're governor and you need to defer to me and it's interesting because if you look at like the conversation around vaccinations and being boosted trump you know has been fucking booed like multiple times when he's out loud been like i got the shot i've been boosted and i think people should too it's a person and then we were like like it's a personal decision it's a personal it's up to you it's up to you but i did it for me

whereas desantis almost like you know he gave like a gasp show of a speech a couple weeks ago where people were like is this guy sick with covet again but he again he won't give people the satisfaction of knowing whether or not he's like a lib that gets vaccines. So it's almost as if like DeSantis is sort of seeing an opportunity where that, OK, if I do if talking about vaccine efficacy or that it's good gets you booed, then why don't I try and fill that void by still playing being coy, still talking like you don't need masks or, you know, general precautions and things like that. And I don't't know it almost feels like he's gesturing to trump too i mean like yo this guy's slipping man like he's not even down

with the maga shit anymore but anyway like we'll see what what space that creates for him watch this space very closely he has uh recently said that backing Trump for president in 2024 is too much to ask after Trump attacked him. So he is not going to do it. He's also been talking shit about Trump behind the scenes and claiming that he's like lost the base or uncharacteristically is uncharacteristically out of step with the hard line elements of his party's base. out of step with the hardline elements of his party's base right and then says his biggest regret in office is not having been much louder and speaking out against trump's pandemic response i feel like he's just trying to reinvent himself to be less maga more moderate so then he can be like i've reformed my ways guess what i'm still a good guy but but I don't know. I think he's I think he's like a narcissistic manipulative ex, you know, who's always like, yeah, baby, I've changed. Watch. Right. Look, look at this picture. I am getting the vaccine. Thinking of you. Yeah. Thinking of you. With what Marjorie Greene Taylor and that other woman and this guy.

I don't know. Well, this is the thing. It's it. But no one can quite capture the crowd like Donald Trump does. That's like what's interesting is like he has there is this like weird thing where people he was able to very quickly alter reality for the base. And they're like, yep, a loss is a win. I guess that's true. But I think what goes along with that, too, is, is that rally he had in Arizona where he's like,

I'm not going to speak on the 6th. I'm going to have this big rally in Arizona. It seemed like even what he said wasn't new. The crowd wasn't really that into it. So a lot of people who were there were like, I don't know, man. The hits aren't quite resonating the same. And what does that mean for him now and is that creating an opportunity for somebody like yo if we're gonna keep these fucking ethno-nationalists plugged in like we need to we need a new album coming out because i don't know if people think trump's

gonna get the sophomore jinx or something where he's like okay this next time coming back again with like a weaker album and i think that's where people see the potential for desantis to try and to get in there but i don't know like what that means if it's desantis's version of just what this new form of you know conservativism is yeah it'll be interesting because this is the least confident i've been that he's going to be the president from 2024 to whenever he dies so he is running right is that oh yeah yeah've been that he's going to be the president from 2024 to whenever he dies. So he is running, right? Is that?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's going to be flanked on both sides in the primary, though, now by DeSantis. And then, you know, not that anybody's going to vote for Mike Pence, but like if Mike Pence is going to run. Yeah. I'm not even paying attention. I feel sad. And then I'm like, Joe Biden, what the fuck?

What the fuck are we doing? We're just I mean, the Wall Street I'm like, Joe Biden, what the fuck are we doing? I mean, the Wall Street Journal just put out an article that was like, there's a lot of rumbling that Pence is the one to beat. And he's the leading candidate. Could you imagine kissing him? Thin lips. Thin lip bimps. Just put two razor blades against your mouth.

And that's what it's like. But he you know, this would be the best chance at Trump not winning in 2028. I feel like. Well, yeah. And because you think there are people already like Trump. There is there's a section of QAnon. It's like Trump was using a body double at that rally. What? Well, didn't millennia millennia. Oh, oh my god i can't even remember her name millennium millenniums millenniums trump step into melania melania didn't melania have a few body doubles like there's some questionable photos really yeah yeah who knows but i mean yeah but it was millennium yeah that was that was will any body's name but yeah his uh like you know even then when you think of like the hard want hardcore elements of this party i don't know what you do to get those

people like trump's got to come out and fully embrace some conspiracy theory and be like exactly folks the adrenochrome is flowing on the hill and like, go there? Or to your point, Ever, like, does it make more sense to be like, I don't know, if you just say you fuck with vaccines, that might bring that might help your polling. But I think we're finding out where where the base is. Are they truly just there for Trump? Is it that they gave them a taste for this, you know, fascist American fantasy and it's going to keep moving

forward or what? When I went home for the holidays in like central Texas, I saw like an interesting thing where people either doubled down or they were like, we were wrong. Like my mom was like, more people voted for Biden than we thought they would around here, which was like a crazy thing. And a lot of people have taken down their Trump stuff. Like some of our neighbors have like removed the bumper sticker from the truck. And then on the other hand, people have really amped it up where it's like, it's Trump 2020, Trump won, Trump, Trump is our president. Like not like a little bit, but like car wrapping, getting their trucks wrapped with like just like a trunk tank.

I don't know how to explain it. It was weird. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so that's that's always, you know, that's like those moments you figure out what if you really down with the cult or not. Are you going to are you going to untether yourself from this fantasy or are you going to, your cognitive dissonance go to fucking 45,000 and then you go, no, doubling down. No, I'm not. I'm not.

I'll double down. They're like, drink your pee then. I will watch. Watch. No, not in front of me. And I meant like put it in a cup. That's like straight into your whatever. All right, man.

You know what? I do have a bone to pick right quick because okay this is gonna sound like a tangent but love it when you were like i was like oh like a hose you could just pee it in your mouth and then i remembered i almost caught my parents house on fire right i don't know if you guys have seen that video of you almost catching your parents house on fire yes so my mom and i were doing this video and this is completely unrelated but it did remind me of water hose and all these fuckers coming at me being like what other kind of hose is there bitch i don't know um i'm so sorry i i've become super aggressive um so basically i found okay, I was trying to do this funny video with my mom and I lit some stuff on fire and I used gasoline.

And then I thought I'll pour a little more gas to make a big flume. But then I didn't realize that the flame would follow up the gas. So I'm running around with a gas tank on fire, panicking. And then like the gas is pouring out but it's really just like flames of gas flame yeah and then i'm catching all the grass on fire and i'm running around the yard like i'm just like screaming at my mom to get a water hose and then everyone all the comments it's all dudes being like darwin's so mad it's finest you just gotta snuff out the gas what other kind of water like all these men are taking it

personally that i don't know what to do with a tank of gas it's on they're all guys with second degree burns on their face and no eyebrows they're like you gotta figure it out i've seen this a hundred times wow and these are registered voters you know like what come on man i made a mistake why are you taking it personally? Get that water hose out. Well, you know what? News for them because we have a pee hose at my house. Yeah, we got pee hoses over here, buckaroo.

I just fill up a poly tank on top of my roof every night. Y'all heard of Camelback? Or Camelback? This is piss back. Exactly. Find me. Come find me. Come find me. me pissback.com

totally different website last thought on the trump thing is i do so i do like the the reason i'm hopeful is not necessarily just the like i think de santas will like come in and beat him but like there's also the fact that Trump prepped for 2016 by like mainlining talk radio from the day that Obama like hurt his feelings at the White House press dinner, correspondence dinner or whatever the fuck it is. And like he actually, like, met people, and I feel like since then he's kind of been doing the same thing that all, like, really rich, famous people do, where they only see, like, other rich, famous people. Like, I don't feel like he's necessarily doing that same shit. Like, maybe there's something to DeSantis saying he's, like, out of touch with the main line shit, and then also you have like cognitive decline. So like, I don't know, combination of things is making me the most hopeful that it won't be Trump.

Not necessarily hopeful for the future of the country. Just some other racist. Yeah. Some other racist asshole will come in. Hopefully not more effective. Anyways, we do need to get to streaming corner. Let's take a quick break and we will be right back. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradenti. And we will be right back. Like, how do I speak up when I'm feeling overwhelmed? Or, can I negotiate a higher salary if this is my first real job?

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It was also just in the picture. And we were joined for a very special dish of Ana's Streaming Corner. Streaming Corner. Streaming Corner. We do need to get a theme song for that. We have one. Do we? Yeah, remember?

We haven't done it in a while. What does it go like? Hit me. Remember it was like... Oh, I think you sang it, right? 20 minutes later. Come on, Jack, this one. 35 minutes later.

Streaming corner. Wait, that's an hour and a half into it. Scrubbing forward. Wow, it's an hour and a half into it. Scrubbing forward and wow, it's still going. Alright, so, Anna, you were telling us about Yellow Jackets for a long time. Yep. Finally got on board about

five episodes into the season and just blew through them. It was a great season of TV, in my opinion. Last two two episodes thought they nailed the landing but why do you why do you bring us in why are we doing yellow jackets that's cruel to laura lee for you to say they nailed the landing well that is wasn't my favorite character so you know i one thing that i do love i didn't care for laura lee i. Did not care for Laura Lee. Did not care for basically any plot line that they've got going that I'm not crazy about.

Oh, also spoiler alert. Oh, yeah. This is going to be a massive spoiler. Just loads of them. But all the storylines that I was like, oh, this one's kind of dead or it feels kind of whack, like a non-prestige TV show, they murder those characters. I don't know if the writer's room is just like, yeah, no, this sucks, let's kill them off, or I don't know.

But yeah, so it's all killer, no filler, as far as I'm concerned, where we're at. They're set for a great second season. And for people who don't, maybe are on the fence or haven't seen it tell bring bring them in bring them in why and if they because they like spoilers and if you've already seen it prepare to hear why it's already a good show yeah so yellow jacket stars kevin cost i'm just joking what if i just described kevin cost Yellowstone? I would love it if it starred Kevin Costner. Well, you would love Yellowstone, which sucks. Okay, so Yellowjackets.

Please don't get my mentions about Yellowstone because I would destroy it. Yellowjackets. Isn't it like Sopranos, kind of? Just the same thing or succession? Yellowjackets? Yeah. No, Yellowstone. That's what somebody said to me when I said that Yellow Stone is bullshit.

All right. Go ahead. Yellow Jackets. So, Yellow Jackets, it's about, like, a championship-winning girls' soccer team that are, like, flying to their—I believe they're in Jersey. They're flying to Seattle area for a— The Nationals. The Nationals. Thank you.

They're flying to Seattle area for a channel. The Nationals. National. Thank you. And their plane crashes in like Canada, basically in the forests of Canada where they're like in very remote. No one can find them. One thing leads to another. They're stranded for 19 months and basically have to, within the confines of classic high school. What is it called when it's like all those things hierarchy hierarchy

you have to now create a society for yourself i felt you with those hand gestures this one then there's one higher than this one higher so they have to create a hierarchy or within the high school like hierarchy of like who's cool and who's not they have to create like a society to survive in the woods until you know a rescue team comes basically right uh which i guess doesn't happen for 19 months so yeah you know uh one thing leads to another they have to survive it's a very fascinating 100 yeah i mean it it goes places that like i wasn expecting. And it was such a joy to watch true prestige TV about, like, things that, like, I understood as, like, you know, at one point I was, in fact, a teenage girl. Sorry to break it to you. But it's just so good.

It's great writing. It's thrilling. It's, you know, I personally don't really like a lot of gore or yeah i hate gore anything too scary but this show like i can handle it because the writing was there for me and as you guys can see behind me my cork board with all the red string i'm very deep into theories yeah i have a couple fan theories for you right okay and the i think the thing that like really got me sold on it is that it's also the sort of like dual narratives of you're seeing them in 1996, like as teenagers alongside 25 years later, where you're sort of we see the gaps fill in on both sides by watching both sort of storylines play out. Very, very lost type thing. Yes.

I mean, the casting is incredible. Yes. Prestige casting, would you say so i have this thing called prestige casting where i tell you what is good casting uh and by good i mean prestige casting and i will never ever tell you my definitions so don't ever ask i decide what prestige casting is period and i just the bringing back juliet lete Lewis and casting her alongside Christina Ricci like that in my mind is prestige casting. Look, Melanie Lindsay is getting all the love and she deserves it. She's great. Coming back together to be in this show and play truly unwell people who've been traumatized by a plane crash, clearly.

And God knows what. Yeah. And I just think it's just such great casting. And the work they did to cast the younger versions and the older versions of themselves is also great. Like, they got people wearing contacts left and right. You can tell. Yeah. To, like, match them up.

I will say one thing I have noticed, Melanie Linsky's voice, it doesn't match up to her younger voice. Why would her voice get less deep, you know? It's like, that's not how aging works. Maybe. Yeah, maybe it's trauma. Yeah.

That is not my voice now. hmm maybe yeah maybe it's trauma yeah maybe maybe it's not actually maybe the shauna that came out of the woods was not the shauna that went into the woods oh literally so you're going there i'm going there so all right it does the show opens first i do want to ask, ever you've seen what? One episode. I saw the free episode. Perfect. Alright, so buckle up and prepare yourself for all kinds of wild theories. It cold opens and we watch a character fall

into a pit of spikes. It's the middle of the wilderness. A character is being chased and runs into a pit of spikes, falls down, is killed, and then consumed by a bunch of characters in, like, wolf and, like, buffalo hide, like, you know, sacramental costumes. So my first fan theory, you guys tell me what you think about this. It leads you to believe, based on a necklace, it never shows the character who's being consumed's face, but it leads you to believe, based on a necklace,

that that is this character, Jackie, who's the captain of the team. I don't think that was Jackie. Well, okay. I'm pretty clear by then. Okay. Right, because she dies in the 10th episode. Which one is Jackie?

Is that the one that was like, you can reunite the coach is like, come here in the first episode. Yeah, she's the leader. You can do it and then her friend is cheating on her. One more fan theory. Okay, go ahead. That altar that we reveal at

the end in Thais's house in the secret room with the dead dog's head. I think that was created by Thais. Okay. You know what, Jack, get out of here.

I'm sorry. You guys killed her on dog. Girl allowed to speak on Anna's streaming corner. We are officially removing him from this. Okay. Okay. First question. Serious question.

I want to ask. It's actually hosted by miles and Anna. Now, not Jack. Serious question I want to ask. It's actually hosted by Miles and Anna now, not Jack O'Brien. Call the Guardian. Call the Guardian. First real question is, what happened to Javi? Yeah, that's my number one. That was the first thing I Googled. What happened to Javi?

Can I give a quick rundown real quick? So throughout the season, a lot happens where it's going back and forth. We're cutting through time to see how they basically start to survive in the wilderness, which leads to them having to teach themselves to shoot guns. They find a cabin, an abandoned cabin with a corpse in it. So someone clearly lived there and died. They have weapons in there. They take those weapons.

Each of them, the strongest shooter, they take turns learning who's the strongest shooter. And the two who are the strongest shooter go out and basically hunt deer to feed them. So now they're starting to learn how to survive and then you know ever ever question i rose my hand because how do these fucks even know about parliamentary procedure this was the 80s right 30s nobody knew anything about parliamentary procedure i only know these kids don't know anyways whatever they find a gun it was an election year clinton's second run with them who's their two coaches came through one coach dies in the crash and then um the other coach is alive but leg has to be chopped off because it's crushed long that's but that is a do they do they do they show like a tourniquet oh yeah they show everything you you see you see

what a leg looks like when it's been pinned underneath an aircraft wing? You also see it being cauterized. It's graphic. This is. It's a gooey bone. Oh, I'm telling you, I've never seen broken, like, bodies like this. No. It was, I remember watching, I literally went, like, Adam Sandler and Billy Madison.

I was like, goo! It was so gooeyey I shrieked in my home yeah VFX is gonna get an Emmy on that yeah there are like really loud shriek parts and there are also just like very chilling parts like all the shit with Lottie and Taisa

like when they cut to her out in the woods doing her dirt thing. Like those are like genuinely haunting moments that like gave me chills and made me like that, like stuck, stuck with me. Yeah. So a lot of the characters are obviously traumatized because they just survived a plane crash an hour in the middle of nowhere. They had a black box, but one of the girls played by young Christina Ricci,

or the Christina Ricci character at a young age, destroys the black box because she likes being needed. It's got like Munchausen vibes in a way. She likes the idea that people, because she was originally just the team assistant who took care of everybody. And I think she was always kind of looked down upon in the hierarchy of school. So I think finally her skills are coming into play and all of a sudden she's needed. And I think she is thriving off that and has, you know, of course,

now destroyed the chances of these girls getting found and rescued by destroying the black box, which is giving a signal to anyone who would try and rescue them. So, you know, Lottie, one of the characters, based on what we're understanding, potentially took some sort of anti, I don't know, some sort of pills that were helping her mental health

that she has now run out of those pills and is now having visions and potentially I think is a medium of sorts. Yeah. Which in the early 90s, I think her parents thought was just psychosis of some kind and diagnosed it incorrectly i don't know that's why i'm going based off the scenes they give us very brief

ideas of what goes on in these characters upbringings i think that she's actually just a medium which is why she's able to see these sorts of things about to happen i think taissa who keeps eating dirt while she's sleepwalking is just having a very aggressive like traumatic stress response like i don't i mean personally i don't know where the eating dirt comes from but like i mean that's how you win state senate races by sacrificing your dog right when i so i have theories i was texting jack yesterday i don't really let jack sleep anymore ever since he started watching yellow jackets he has all my theories and if he doesn't respond i go to his house and knock on the door

that was also one of the really chilling parts was when i was watching the show and uh there's a knock on my window and anna was just hovering outside hello it's it's shedding its antlers yeah like. Dirt eating is part, like there's this thing called pica, I think, or it's called geophagia, but it is not like a made up thing. It's a thing that happens to people when they have certain events, psychological traumas. Yeah. Okay. I didn't know that.

But it's scary looking. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Especially when you're crouching down like some sort of creature of the night. You're like, hey, Tyson, what's up, bro? Like, what are you up to? Are you eating dirt? All you can eat, dirt buffet.

So, okay. Going into the end of this season, right, we begin to establish things. One, that Lottie may be alive. At least her name is evoked, which is an interesting one and leads people to think is she she's still in the woods alive or is she like i don't know she could be out she could be dead and maybe just some shit spun off from her cult of personality like where you know it's like they evoke her name the other potential thing i think is interesting is like where misty is in that space because you know clearly they were friends in the crash but misty is so hard to like

predict what her motives are all the time that it's it's a part i think some people were like so is she also if lottie's alive is she working with lottie i don't know there's just a lot of questions and you realize it warrants many seasons that's the theory that i found most compelling from like people writing about the finale is that misty is like at one point they open a scene and misty's like reading this book and it's like all this occult shit like that if you like google it there's like all these it's like a lot of the stuff that we associate with lottie aka the exorcism of winnie cooper from the wonder years like we think of lottie, aka the exorcism of Winnie Cooper from The Wonder Years. Like we think of Lottie as like sort of the leader of this,

but I think Misty might be kind of pulling the strings behind the scenes a little bit. Okay, I'm really far behind because I'm also Googling what the character. Oh, Misty is Christina Ricci. Christina Ricci. Yeah, who works at... I'm back. Yeah, I had to Google and be like, hang on. You're talking about Lottie.

You're talking about. Yeah, Christine, even that little weird ass character when she was like, I'll polish the balls. Like, weird, man. But so basically she works as like she her whole game this whole season. Let me guess. Is she pretends like I'm the caretaker, like kind of off to the back. So nobody suspects her, but she's really a freak. Like, she's a creepy one or what?

Oh, yeah. Is she like a dirt eater? Does she become one of them? No. Uh-uh. No. It's like somehow she has her shit together. She's almost like Locke from Lost where it's like, oh, you kind of showed up in a situation that you love.

Yeah. You're like, no, actually, I love it out here. Yeah. In the wilderness of Ontario. Like, that's what I think is interesting about Misty's character. The only thing I could not get past in the first episode, the only episode that I've seen of Yellow Jackets, I watched alone. You know, the survival show. I know how long it takes to dry out a carcass.

Now, I know how they would have had to have. How did they know how to make ceremonial masks? Where did they get this? The tools? How did they sew this? These are corny high school girls. They don't know what they're doing. They're girls from the 90s.

Girls from the 90s don't know shit. I'm just like talking shit. That's fine. Well, there's one clue. How do they know? How would they know? How would they skin it? And I'm just like talking shit. Well, there's one clue that. How do they know? How would they know? How would they skin it? And I'm sorry, I can't get past the time it would take to kill all these animals, dry them out, sew them together.

Within 19 months, you've established ritual? Yeah. Well, I think a lot of that. I think a lot of it relies on the fact that they found a cabin that has like a bunch of tools and materials and oh yeah you did mention that and then yes okay well i think they really rely on that i of course don't know how long it takes to dry out a carcass because why would that gang let us know is that realistic so within 19 months i'm yeah i guess i don't even know but i also think a lot of the ritual is established by

the fact that lottie keeps having visions thus creating like putting her in a position of power because she's able to kind of control these situations and people like look up to her because what else do they have you know right they're paying and there's yeah and there's clearly some kind of pre-existing culture religion because of all these like markings that exist in the place that they crash so yeah before like when like i think it's in the second episode episode as they're like running around in the aftermath of the crash you see one of these cult symbols on one of the trees so there's somebody either you know somebody a long time ago or somebody recently who is there who might be helping them along this path do y'all think

the cannibalism stuff is like kind of a misdirect thing like where yeah that may factor into it but this this whole thing is so much bigger than like did y'all eat each other out there yeah or like do you think that's gonna play a huge part like narratively i'm just i'm just thinking of like how important it is to the actual show for just, like, this thing that, you know, we speculate on or that's speculated within the show, but, you know, maybe just a much smaller thing and not

necessarily, like... I think it's a part of it. I don't think it's all about that. I think the fact that, like, they turned on each other is more important in that sense of, like, it's not like someone died, you know, accidentally and then you ate them because you had no choice it's like

if there is more running and there are traps created and a person I saw that trap and the spikes that's like that is purposeful that is you know that's there's a darkness in that in itself that it's like oh they're fully survival of the fittest.

If you're going to be an asshole, you're going to be a little, you know, like you're going to be like literally bad energy. Like, right. Fill your ass, honey. Yeah. It starts to get towards that. This is what it is now. We are full savage. And you're like, oh, OK, you better fall in line.

We're hungry. I thought they nailed the cannibalism the obsession that we have with cannibalism like the jeffrey dahmer story i always talk about the fact that like i suspect he wasn't even really like a cannibal in the sense that like he was made out to be like i think people think of him as like somebody who killed and ate people and it was more like he was somebody who killed and stored people's dead bodies all over the place and might have like eaten somebody at some point but it was like right as uh or eaten a part of somebody at some point but it was right as fucking silence of the lambs came out and there was like a an obsession with cannibalism and they created a cannibal in like in the media because like america just

fucking loves a cannibal so the idea that they would come back from that and the survivors would just be haunted by only like cannibalism shit right makes they're like folks if you knew about the the god of dirt and sky right um yeah is that in the show i gotta watch the show can i watch the show and then can we do another recap yeah with premiere oh yeah okay exactly because right now it's like does she call the reporter or not and is the reporter really a reporter is that somebody from the government trying to be like what's up oh look check that out those questions will be answered. Okay, well, y'all can tell me or I could Google.

No, so you want the answer? Yeah, I will take the answer because here's the deal. Whenever I read a book, I got to read the last page first. I get too anxious. Okay. Yeah, that person is a fixer who's working for Thaisa. Yeah. She is?

Okay. Yeah. Or are they? Was. Was. Oh, she died. They killed her? I don't know Or are they? Was. Was. Well, even then. Oh, she died. They killed her?

I don't know. May have smoked a weird cigarette. They killed her. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Can I give my full theories on everything? Yes.

Please. Here is what I believe went down. So, I believe they were rescued at some point. They finally found them. Mm-hmm. They all get out, but because of Lottie's, you know, mediumness and able to like tell the future and like predict things, a lot of these girls have, you know, just been deeply indoctrinated into Lottie's ways. And I

think it's very hard for them when they come back to just go back into normal life, which thus leads to like Elrond Lottie and she becomes i don't know like a potential safe spot for them so a lot of them join the cult of lottie which we kind of learned at the end of episode 10 that lottie matthews basically is running something because she potentially had what's his name travis killed and took all his money and then they kidnapped juliet lewis at the end who's about to basically blow her brains out because she's so you know fucked up from everything that's gone down yeah i agree with that and i believe that misty's probably still in the cult but probably not as active like doing her own thing because she seems like she really has found her

way into being um her own maniac sort of situation where she just like can do whatever because she's also a nurse and has access to like ketamine and drugs. You know, just like ability to like clean up situations like Misty's almost become like this fixer for the cult in a way. Yeah, I believe Melanie Linsky is too traumatized over the death of Jackie to really be involved in that because the death of jackie was so easily avoidable like it truly was over like a petty fight yeah how did jackie die she froze to death exposure outside oh they can so we know that that person they got into a fight is not her yeah so that's not jackie and i believe we know it's not lottie either thusly yeah it's definitely not the other brunette. And so now with Thaisa, I believe that, you know, she's having this sleepwalking issue that is being kind of coming back because of the stress of them being like blackmailed

for their like information. And I believe that stress is coming out in her sleepwalking and thus leading to her sacrificing her son's dog. I believe unconsciously, I don't believe in her right mind she would do that to her sacrificing her son's dog i believe unconsciously i don't believe in her right mind she would do that to her son who she loves so it lead to her led to her sacrificing a dog thus winning her senate election she was running for senate which by the way incredible to be like she survived a plane crash now she's our senator which i don't know how that would go on in real life maybe it would would be chill. I mean, we got Trump for president,

so you can't see that. I can see that. I can see that color. Like, I can't imagine we would let a woman of color do anything in this country, but, or with a background like that. But also I believe in that moment at the end when she smiles after realizing

that she has won. I think she, it is all kind of coming together for her that this dark side just helped her win her election because she sacrificed an animal. Yeah. In like this kind of, you know, ritualistic way and potentially helped her win. So I think she is starting to realize I don't believe she did it consciously, but I think she's being like, oh, shit. I think actually work for me. But then she has I believe in season two.

We'll see if she'll like reconcile. My theory is that she is not. She is aware of the shit that's going on she she's i can't imagine because her son like she loves her son but that's i think more than that rationally you're not thinking about it in her mind like someone who sacrificed a dog to win but there is this thing too that like they sort of they look back in her life and there she has had moments where she was intersecting with the supernatural as a child or like her grandmother was so i think they're they are seeding something for her to potentially also have some deeper connection that like you know rivals maybe lottie or just an understanding on

some level but yeah i don't know But her character storyline is she rejects it for the majority of her early days on that thing. So I don't know if she's just continuing to try and reject it and this is the moment she's like, well, fuck, this could actually work for me. Which will make a very entertaining second season for sure. And yes, no one knows where

the fuck Javi is. Which one is Javi? The little brother. Well, one of them's got him as a bargaining is. Which one is Javi? He's like. The little brother. Okay. Okay. I don't know. Well, one of them's got him as like a bargaining tool. You don't think that?

No, he disappeared when they were. They all. Okay. Well, you see that I'm really far behind. How many episodes are there? Friendly at this point to like,

so it would be weird if one of them like was holding them hostage. Although Misty would be the one candidate for that. But yeah, I think that's everybody's wondering if Javi's still alive because the last episode we saw, he didn't make it back to the cabin. They couldn't find him. And then Jackie spent the night outside the cabin and froze to death. So like it's it was not a night you survive without any help. Right. Out in the woods. I will say I don't think he's dead because Jackie. Definitely not.

Dying. I said in quotes because I don't really know. She has like almost a vision where they bring her back into the cabin and everyone tells her how much they love her. And she literally sees a rando dude in the cabin who's like, we're so happy you're here. And I believe that's the guy whose corpse they found originally in the cabin. Wait like we're so happy you're here and i believe that's the guy whose corpse they found originally in the cabin wait is this is this woman the medium no no this is a death vision who dies oh this is the captain okay like they say like you hallucinate in death like you start to like see things like i think in that moment she's her final like vision is everyone

telling her that they love her because she's but like she we don't see javi in that cabin right at the moment to me i'm like that's very telling like where's javi unless we did see him and i didn't see him so please maybe he died later but i don't javi might also be pulling some strings javi and misty because didn't he like carve a wolf and then the wolf like attacked Taisa's girlfriend? Van? Yeah. I don't know. I feel like Javi might there might be more to Javi than we

are seeing. You'd hope so or it's the worst writing ever. Oh shit he vanished after taking shrooms. Forgot to tie that part up. Never tie that one together. You ever write about Javi again? Freaking shrooms. Forgot to tie that part up. Never tie that one together. Yeah. For a write about hobby again.

Yeah. All right. So we will revisit Yellow Jackets the next time ever is on and get your thoughts on that ever. And then I'm going to pitch a segment to you that we could do on TDZ in the future that's just a special on a streaming corner where we throw various examples at you and you tell us if it's prestige casting or not. Prestige or not prestige. Yes, but I will tell you

there's no rhyme or reason. Right. And this is an exclusive segment to the Daily Zeitgeist brought to you by Rice-A-Roni. Prestige casting. Rice-A-Roni. Zatar of casting. Rice-A-Roni. Zatarain. Brought to you by Boss Water. Remember Zatarain?

Yeah. Zatarain! That's what your mom says when she comes. There it is. All right. Brought it right back. There's a button. There's our button on the show. I do not accept that, and I will kill you. You don't have to accept that.

I've watched Yellow Jackets, and now I will eat you. So, nice try. Now I know all the spoilers, and I know how to avert your moves. Also, speaking of nepotism with your casting, how might one get into a series series that Prestige is casting? How do I get cast? I don't cast anyone. I just tell you when you do

get cast if it was a Prestige move. No, I know that, but any angle would help me at this point. If you can help, yes. Any, I hate anything. Ever's got a lot to offer. Anything on paper. Tell me about the story about the goat person who lived behind your anything. Ever's got a lot to offer. Any, anything on paper. Tell me about the story about the, the goat person who lived behind your school. Everybody's going to.

Yeah. I can play the Billy goat. I can play. Yeah. I can play. Yeah. I'll play a Billy goat. Fuck it.

I don't care. I don't care. I got nothing to lose. I live alone. Ever. Such a pleasure having you as always. Where can people find you and follow you? You can find me on all the socials at Ever Maynard,

E-V-E-R, M-A-I-N-A-R-D. And if you come at me with what other kind of hose is there, I'm your new stepdad. I don't know what that means. You'll figure it out. You'll do some pec exercises. I'll do some pec exercises.

I'm going to, I'm going to just, that's my whole new Instagram personality is this pec workout person. It's like, hey guys, five tips for a bigger chest. Yeah, you can find me on social media at evermainer.com. There you go. Guys, I'm so sorry. I feel like I've tanked this whole episode.

No way. It's been a whirlwind. Is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying? Yes. Brian Bahi is a New York comic and he has been tweeting as

Che Diaz from the new and just like that Six in the City reboot and it's hysterical and have y'all been watching and just like that, Six in the City reboot. And it's hysterical. And have y'all been watching in just like that? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've watched like two episodes. The non-binary podcaster. Right.

So I can't, there's not one tweet that stands out because they're tweeting as Che Diaz, but also as saying the most ridiculous shit. And then I hate this character so much that I love these tweets because it's, I mean, that's prestige tweets, I would say. So go look up Brian Bahi right now,

go on this Che Diaz journey with us and then watch the next. And just like that. And I will say Brian Bahi will actually be on TVC this week. Oh my God. He's incredible. Yeah. That's awesome. Damn. That's prestige casting.

That's prestige casting. Boom. Super producer, Anna Hosni. Yeah, that's prestige. In a way, you have been prestige casting. Anyone who's casted on this show is automatically prestige casting because I cast them and I'm allowed to do that.

Super producer, Anna Hosni, where can people find you and what is the tweet you've been enjoying? I'm at prestige casting. Just joking. I'm at Anna Hosnier Where can people find you And what is the tweet you've been enjoying I'm at Prestige Casting Just joking I'm at Anna Hosnier on Twitter You might want to grab that No

You should I don't have my personality like some people Excuse you Don't come to Jack like that Oh yeah Jack got it in 2012 His mom got it in 2012. His mom got it in 2012. There we go.

I just want to shout out a tweet by at Drake Gatsby. John Drake. Every day, a new celebrity you thought was cool tweets positively about NFTs. But you can help make fun of them. There it is. Yeah, I love that one. Miles, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Make fun of them. There it is. Yeah, I love that one. Miles, where can people find you?

What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Oh, man, you can find me on Twitter and Instagram at milesofgray. Also, if you like 90 Day Fiancé or Married at First Sight, come check out the reality podcast for 20 Day Fiancé with Sophie Alexandra, where we talk about all them shows. The tweet I like is from at Dix Payton tweeted, if you like Euphoria, you will love therapy. And the second one I like is from at Kath Barbadoro tweeted, remember when the Game of Thrones guys

had all these contracts to make other stuff and then they gave one single interview where they were like, lol, we had no clue what we were doing, but our dads are hella rich and then they lost all the contracts whoops

they are still supposedly making the sci-fi trilogy of novels that i really like called the three body problem but it's like why would you give them that? From the people who said, we bullshitted our way through this. Yeah. And then tried to make a fucking movie about what if America was racist? What if? As an alternate history. What if the Confederacy won the Civil War? Codeine Fridge tweeted, I consider the second page of Google results the dark web.

That's facts. I'm not lying. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy uh miles what

song do we think people might enjoy i was just listening to some brain feeder uh over the weekend one of one of the great labels uh if you like beats and stuff like that uh and i just was listening again to teab's uh first album i believe it was his first album, Hard Work. And this is a Teab's track called Autumn Antique. And it's just a great, really kind of stripped-down beat. But I don't know. I love the percussion. I love the drum samples. And you will like it, too.

It will get your creative juices flowing. So this is Autumn Antique by Teab's. All right. Well, The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's going to do it for us this morning, but we're back this afternoon

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