The Daily Zeitgeist - Trump’s RICO Charge Hits Different, Right Wing “Banger” 08.16.23

Episode Date: August 16, 2023

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get your podcast presented by capital one founding partner of iheart women's sports hello the internet and welcome to season 300 episode two of your daily zeitgeist this is still a production of iheart radio this is a podcast where we take a deep dive and share consciousness and it's wednesday august 16th 2023 uh there's only been one thing on my mind well i mean obviously i mean uh yeah there's that but also national airborne day national rum day national telejoke day national roller coaster day roller coasters love them and hate not a fan it's you know it's like that you know that feeling you get in like your crotch when the you drop yeah very sudden for that you know what i'm talking about like is there like a scientific term for that like

well you're well you get like you're tingly tingly down you get butterflies in your in your in your scrotum in your scrotum yeah scrotumotum? Yeah. Scrotum butterflies? I just remember always, like, that's, like, always such a weird, unsettling sensation. But then when you get past it, you're like, okay, we're past it. I feel like my, like, prostate's going to shoot out of my butt or something. When I first, like, went on a ride with my son, he was like, oh, it feels so weird in my butt. Like, right down here. Like, really loud. I was like, uh-huh.

Yeah, no, that's right. Welcome to Earth. Welcome to Earth earth now you're alive yeah now your eyes are truly open my name is jack o'brien aka pilot came in and they caught him red-handed floating in the air like so picture this they were both tic-tac-shape flying near the valley floor how could they forget that we had wanted their technology all this time we were observing them we were learning about uaps no i'm just joking there we go but they saw him in the airspace uap saw him flying on the radar. UAPs. Somehow I have their biologics. UAPs. That is courtesy of Johnny Davis.

Shout out to you. Keeping the UAP conversation alive. You know, I like to just get a little UAPs in there. I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. It's Miles Gray, a.k.a. just the Lord of Lancashire. Just picking in the indictment news just like everybody else and wondering, will this be the one? Trump indicted. Quadruple LP.

World excited? We don't know. Yeah. I'm excited. This one feels different for me for some reason. It's definitely different. But yeah. Yeah.

It's a little different when there's the promise of a mugshot yeah but it'll be the most overused photo for the next three years probably yeah yeah it's gonna be a black light poster in racists dorm rooms oh yeah oh hell yeah bob marley and the trump mugshot you got it all but the thing with mugshot like those mugshots that go immortal like they are always of the people looking young and good. And I don't know how the fuck he's going to pull that off. Like young Sinatra. Yeah, young Sinatra, Che, like, you know. Yeah, not just stressed out, nearly octogenarian guy.

Stressed out guy who's like worried about his hair. Anyways, Miles. Yes. We are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of our favorites. Dressed out guy who's worried about his hair. Anyways, Miles. Yes. We are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of our favorites, a very funny comedian, writer, actor, who you've seen on Seth Meyers, Corden, Crashing. His new special, Don't You Know Who I Am?

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content is available three hours later. Bone con. Dropping at midnight on the 19th. Please welcome the hilarious, the talented Kenny DeForest! Kenny! It's Kenny DeForest, a.k.a. Uncle Rico, a.k.a. Rico DeGaio, a.k.a. a big cold glass of Topo Rico. You know what I'm saying? Let's go.

Oh, it's spicy. It's the spicy water. Uncle Rico is fantastic, man. I could throw the football clear over the mountains. And that is a lie that Trump would tell. Oh, did he throw this football clear over the mountains and that is a lie that trump would tell you know exactly this football clear over the mountains not just he could he did yeah right that's why it's such a tragedy that he didn't become the starting quarterback many people a lot of people have seen it folks ask everybody new mexico they've seen it oh man great to have you on yeah this rico special kenny how you doing man i'm doing great buddy i agree this one does feel different i'm actually letting myself get excited about the fact that

something might actually happen to this man yeah there's a and there's like a lot of people fucking roped into this too so you like are they i mean are they really on that omerta shit is it gonna be you know is it no comment up in the station or Are they gonna be loose lipping it to try and save themselves That's there's so many possibilities He's already having trouble Hiring lawyers and now all his lawyers Are getting indicted

So yeah not a good look Well yeah no Lindsay right No Lindsay sadly But hey you know you got Rudy Eastman Jenna Ellis Like that one woman who was like really made a fool of herself in Michigan. Like the whole cast of characters, you know, the main characters are definitely there. So that one woman, the lawyer woman, what was her name? Sidney Powell, the Kraken.

Yeah. Kraken lawyer. Yeah. Sidney Powell. Yeah, man. Who like hired people to go fucking like glean like just steal data off a voting machine that's part of this conspiracy where she sent some fucking doofuses to go do that shit and then upload it to a website so all the home sleuths could like pour over this data to be like

i found that it was stolen through this data set yeah and the whole time it was like this feels like it should be illegal right this this right yeah right now was like, this feels like it should be illegal, right? This, this, right? Yeah, right. Now it like finally people are like, yeah, no, no, no. It's, it's illegal. It's illegal. Sidney Powell's like, yeah, before you guys go off to do some full blown election fuckery, I just need you to know that, um, what is the quote?

We might just get hit with the recall. Yeah. Woo. All right. Well, that's mainly what we're going to be talking about today we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment kenny well we'll be talking rico uh we might be talking about some small town local newspapers facing nonsense yeah just absolute nonsense two of them with like very similar situations like it's like a reporter whose dad owned the paper who were investigating the local police and the local police just went like full Gestapo on their ass.

Like it's crazy. So we'll talk about that. I want to check in with you guys. See what you think of my boy. Fuck. I forget his name. Oliver something. The rich men north of Richmond song.

Oh, I don't know. You heard about this? You know, it's funny. When you were writing about it, I've only seen the first verse. Yeah, the second verse is wild, man. It's like the national anthem where it's like, okay. And the second one's like, and the slaves. And you're like, wait, what?

Wait, what the fuck? Yeah, the second verse seems like it was written by Gutfeld. Oh, fuck. A little bit. Talking shit about Radiohead yeah no it's talking like he's like use your welfare to buy fudge rounds right that's one of the lines oh the people are using welfare checks to buy fudge rounds anyways we'll check in with that just i just want to take you guys temperature because i think it's a great song uh we might even talk about people fucking in robo taxis all of that plenty more but first

kenny we do like to ask our guests what is something from your search history well i'll be honest the most recent thing is i'm getting ready for fantasy football season so there's been a lot of uh googling injury updates and um the last thing I Googled was to see if Dalvin Cook had signed anywhere. So I kept the Jets running back Brees Hall, and then the next day they signed Dalvin Cook. So not great, but we're still getting ready, you know, just digging out of a hole early. Yeah.

When does all that shit kick off? Like when's the draft day and shit for everybody playing fantasy football? Labor Day weekend. but we have to submit our keepers on Saturday. I'm just drafting a backup running back in the fifth round, just starting in a deep hole. You don't need those points

anyway. You can just leave those on the table, man. What are they going to get you at running back anyway? Exactly. We're good. This is about the time of the year where I am like i'm not i don't think i'm gonna play it this year i think i'm nah i think i'm gonna sit this year out and then i always get roped back in especially when my other sporting interest the nba is like just steer it seems like it's heading in a dark direction for me with the Philadelphia 76ers right now.

Yeah. Yeah, I think it's not looking good. I might become like an NFL guy this year, just fully like on our NBA podcast, just bringing up NFL stories. Yeah, we started talking about the Sixers. You're like, yeah, yeah, but like... Yeah, have you seen the Eagles?

The Eagles, man. How about them birds? Yeah. Anyways, yeah. Are y them birds? Yeah. Anyways. Yeah. Are y'all in high stakes? I played fantasy NFL once, and I'm way too, A, not as interested in the NFL as I need to be for me to maintain that kind of maintenance for a team throughout the year. And also, just being high all the time.

I'm like, oh, right. There's game. I fucked that up, and I gave up. But guys in like those leagues where like shit's on the line like whether it's money or you know dumb antics for the loser type shit it's money it's money in our league but the buy-in keeps going up as the years go by because um you get old and you you need to get more extreme to feel something you know what i mean yeah right fifty dollar buy-in doesn't hit like it used to yeah right next thing you know yeah you're going in a makeshift submarine trying to look at titanic wreckage to get that feeling yeah yeah yeah

exactly i want to feel alive i want to feel the pressure of like 20 000 uh leagues under the sea sort of like i'm at the bottom of the ocean type pressure but like financial you know yeah right right right for sure for sure yeah absolutely so that's where we're at for sure jack what about you you get you in those goofy yeah we have like a buy-in it's pretty pretty modest and it hasn't hasn't gone up but we used to have a rule where the person who came in last wasn't allowed to wear a seat belt for the for a year when they were in the car with other people from the league wow what a that is a fucking wild lose your seatbelt privileges i expect it like has to wear like a dumb shirt or like going out in public with no

shirt on but instead you have to risk your life because you're bad at fantasy football yeah the year before the loser had to beer bong like three things of roundup yeah killer and just don't recommend it we lost some good men out there yeah glasses eight don't don't fuck around yeah if you lose you have to amputate your left leg jesus uh yeah that shit like i don't i don't care about the nfl really but fantasy football will affect my mood on like more than one day over the course of of the season i feel the same way the league nfl league i'm like you guys suck but i just i i've been watching it my whole life and i'm a bears fan and i think we might actually finally be decent and fun to watch so i'm like dude the earth is burning i'm gonna enjoy my sundays you know what i'm saying

yeah yeah screw it who cares let's just yeah yeah i it's like it's i'm just i have like i play fantasy premier league like soccer english soccer and i do this thing where like if the season starts getting really good i completely jettison my interest in fantasy because now all my eggs are in like the real i always i'm like i'm always switching between are all my eggs in the fantasy basket because the real results of my team are so bad or is my team doing good enough that i'm like no no no this is fine this is fine uh which ends up me not doing well over here but anyway thanks everybody that joined this leagues or this season's league okay kenny what's something you think is overrated robots robots are overrated dude i was just i was walking through greenpoint in brooklyn today and they

got a new coffee shop where a robot serves you coffee and people are actually going in there and giving um their money to a robot and i don't understand why we're letting this happen i we just have to roundly reject this there is no advantage to this other than the novelty it's like insane yeah barista is a job that needs to exist in society you know like what why why there's coffee shops everywhere why would you ever go to the robot one? Maybe once to see it. Sure. But this is like insane.

Literally human beings have been warning about us about this since the 50s, since before even the technology for this to happen. Philip K. Dick was like, nah, man, can't do it. And it's just been steady drumbeat of some of the smartest people on the planet being like, we shouldn't be doing this. And we just, we can't help ourselves right yeah i just invented a thing uh i'm quitting now it's really bad i'm gonna go like live in a bunker now wasn't there that like google ai person who was like whoops i thought maybe this was gonna be bad in like 15 years it turns out the next three

i'm quitting good day to you all it's insane man and like who who benefits it isn't us not no one no one hearing this is in the tax bracket where this is good for you this is just slave labor they're making robots so they can replace human labor and have no overhead and that's so obvious and somehow we're just like pretty cool the my doordash guy's a robot now that's pretty cool hey you know my thing is like i hate tipping i just can't tip people it's just disturbing when these people are with their hat in hand being like can i get a tip with robots guess what don't need to tip them so i say bring it on you know and you can fuck each other in front of them yeah it's

true no judgment no Yeah, no judgment. Even though there's no way that they have cameras present or anything like that. As we'll get into. This looks really stupid, this robot. The robo barista? Yeah, it's fucking like, to your point, Kenny, I get that you might pop in to be like, let me watch it make a cut. I'll watch someone else buy it, and then I'll just leave after the show.

The way they're saying it's advantageous is the robots are consistent. It's coffee, dog. Room for cream. You put everything else in it. What are we doing? I've never had a latte, and I'm like, well, they really fucked up.

That's the milk on this one one the fuck's going on and this is also like it's not like baristas are jobs for like people that are doing other things like you know what i'm saying it's not why are we taking these jobs yeah right right this is like kids in college or fresh out or artists or whatever and it's like it's just so insane man my. My coffee. My day is ruined. They forgot to put the water in my coffee today. Fucking cup of grounds. It's usually pretty consistent. It's unfuck-uppable.

It feels like it's a novelty thing that hopefully will get over soon. It can't be currently cost- right to for them to do that but maybe they're hoping that the novelty will just like bring in massive amounts of people well what's scary is you see the barista and you're like oh a harmless little robot but then you see that the police already have robot cop dogs and it's just like we have to stop this we have to stop it right now yeah i am trying to be proactive. I've got a sex robot, but I don't have sex with her. I just go down on her so I can create an ally. You know, when they uprise, you know, she'll be like, hey, he's one of the good ones.

Leave him alone. His name is on the protective scrolls. This man eats. And you're like, good to know. And his food will be consistent. What is something you think is underrated? Being bald, bro. Yeah. Being bald.

I was so afraid of it, man. And it is truly the best. And I just see, I got my friends around me dropping like thousands of dollars to go to Turkey and get plugged up. And it's just like, dog, just like end it. Just, it's fine. Stop the insanity. No one cares. No one cares.

You know? end it just it's fine stop the no one cares no one cares you know and actually as more and more people fight being bald i think being bald is going to become this cool novelty thing where it's like no one's bald anymore because everybody gets hair plugs it's like turkey yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so now we're like the cool underground guys like where they're like oh you want to see my norwood five receding hairline fam check this out i even know the style of my receding hairline or whatever the all those i remember being so obsessed when i was losing my hair like when you start you like look at the charts you're like oh shit like i'm this oh there are charts yo they're like straight up styles of balding like where they talk like if you're trying to get plugs or whatever you're trying to diagnose how your hair

loss looks it's like this is a it's like a whole scale and shit but yeah you got you guys both have good bald heads though you know yeah yeah yeah that's a big part of some things you gotta have you gotta have the good head the good you wanna you know yeah no disrespect you know if you got a gnarly head and you're getting plugged up i get it you gotta do you but i'm saying honestly if you got the energy to fly i'm saying honestly yo bro if you got the energy to fly to turkey and then and then look like everybody in the fucking customs line when they're leaving when everybody got that bandage head uh on the way out there's like there's memes like that where you just see like all these dudes going back to england but they all got the

same like bandage like do rag on because they just had their plugs on yeah looking like they just fought in the civil war but really they're just afraid of their aging head wound i would put on a fake cast just to throw people off i'm like no i didn't get man i was in an accident man my head my arm yeah you know i don't i'm not with these people in reality they just pulled the hair off your arm to put in your forehead it's why it's wild though like so many professional soccer players in europe like go to this one dude and his youtube channel is just like all these like players being like hey i got the plugs from dr blah blah blah and it's it's like i do respect that like the people are now becoming more open about getting the plugs like i had somebody this weekend at a children's birthday

party i was like hey man how's it been going he was like ah you know this week was rough i just got hair plugs and like really sore but like he wasn't wearing a hat or anything and i was like oh yeah shit that oh kind of gnarly wow breathe yeah well some of these athletes too like lebron it's like what are you what are you doing you're lebron james you don't need hair you're fine you can be bald it's okay we also know we know what's going on we've been watching you under bright lights we saw that we saw the headband go further and further up you know what i mean we know we know that's my thing like if you get it done early and you trick everybody fine but it But it's like, I don't know, man.

If I just started wearing a dildo in my pants, you wouldn't be like, wow, Kenny's got a huge penis. You'd be like, what's he doing down there? You know what I'm saying? I'm not tricking anybody. Oh, Ron. Yeah, it's also funny, too. Like, part of me is also, like, upset as, like, a bald dude. I'm like, wait, money can't even help lebron

like it's that's where we're at that's when i'm like oh hell no i ain't getting plugs like i haven't seen one good set like we're i don't remember there's a guy wayne rooney got him and like he got him too early and then everything behind the plugs left and he had to go back so we just have that line yeah yeah it's tough it's tough it's tough or you're joe buck and you do it so much you almost die like that's the other option right versus host yeah it's insane bro it's just like i don't understand this whole i get it aging sucks whatever but like fighting it makes it worse i think just embrace it we all get older it's just yeah we're trapped in time that's what life on earth is everything everything we encounter in life,

we have the, it's a fork in the road. You either accept it or you resist it. You know, that's always the fork in the road. And if you resist, there's a lot of energy and a lot of dollars spent. And acceptance, a lot easier. Typically the path of least resistance, but sometimes it takes a little, you know,

little, some work on yourself to get there for sure that's it i mean lebron in particular we've seen when his head is shaved looks good like he he has a good bald head he also like taught openly talks about like i put a million dollars into my body every year like that's why i'm that's the hair plugs defining or defying like father time but he's not yeah i don't know it just doesn't it doesn't make sense to me either go hair plugs or go bald but i don't i don't know what is happening like i understand it if it's going to affect your career like if for whatever reason like your hair like you know conan o'brien can never go bald conan's

hair is like so yeah synonymous with. He's got to keep the coif at all costs because that's his logo. You know what I'm saying? But LeBron, you're LeBron. You're being hired because you're LeBron. You're not going to lose acting work because you're bald. No one ever said, yeah, like, I want to be like LeBron's hairline. No. It's not important.

It's not even a tertiary concern when people are assessing like what LeBronames is as a person but anyway i get it that agassi could do it he went he was like full he was wearing a wig defined by his hair wig thing but then he came back bald yeah yeah yeah yeah i think but he reached a point where he's like man i can't keep doing this shit like i'll fucking pass out wearing this wig playing yeah professional tennis like that was a bit too far. He was just rocking a wig. Just a big blonde wig.

He's such a rebel. He really fades towards the end of the game. Yeah. All right. Sampras was wearing a wig too. Oh, man. Coming after Pete Sampras?

Coming after big Pete, man. Come on. Don't do that. All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come back. And what will we talk about, Miles? Oh, you mean that little thing that's happening? Because Trump and their crew, they're saying... We might just get hit with... That's the one.

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fanny willis hath laid the hammer down yeah yeah it's he's being trump is being charged with 13 of 13 felonies, including... We might just get hit with the Rico... Yeah, Rico charge. Exactly. That's racketeering, right? Racketeering. Basically, just to broaden it out for people who aren't aware, Rico statutes were first designed

for mobs, for organized crime. And basically to say that as a mob boss, you couldn't be like, well, I didn't shoot nobody. My capo did, or this other street soldier did,

blah, blah, blah. So with the Rico, when they put them under a Rico statute. First Amendment, he's allowed to tell his capo to shoot somebody. That's First Amendment.

He has the freedom of speech. That's right. He had to get clapped right there on Fifth Avenue. But the whole thing is to say that even you treat the whole thing as a criminal enterprise

and an organization and ongoing criminal enterprise. Therefore, therefore guess what we don't need you to have your hands on that because you were at the head of this whole thing so anyway uh not only that though he is in the tank with 18 other co-conspirators 18 other fucking people and that includes rudy giuliani okay no mark meadows the former chief of staff. No, no, no. Yeah. John Eastman, who wrote the coup memo. Sidney Powell, the Kraken lawyer. And also Jenna has a few and amongst many others and other people who, you know, basically fall fell into this alternate elector scheme, which was basically the whole thing here was Trump trying to find an alternate set of electors to basically overturn the results in georgia and here we are so this is up there in seriousness with the dc charges from jack smith and also very tough to dodge if he were to become president because these are state charges so there's no way to pardon himself or get doj involved because these are not federal these aren't't federal charges. These are state. So, yeah.

So he might have to be running the country from a prison in Georgia. He could potentially. Right. Because here's the thing. Fannie Willis, pretty good at putting together these like non-traditional RICO charges, like not going after organized, like, you know, one of the last ones she did before she became the Fulton County DA was she was put a racketeering case against public school teachers that were like faking the student scores on tests to basically get their school like rating up and

she basically was saying like they're violating the rico laws by using the school system which is a legitimate enterprise to engage in quote widespread cheating and 11 of these 12 people were convicted damn so that's just like from teachers cheating this isn't like brad raffensperger calls on wax being like i need you to find 12 that like like literally this exact amount of votes to overturn an election and all the other testimony you have from people who were you know caught up in this shit how is he going to run for president like i just don't i can't imagine what this is gonna look like he can delay he'll probably you know he'll try and appeal or whatever and just kind of keep this thing out of but the one thing is you know fanny willis has said she's trying to get a trial within the next six months so

uh there's that that that we shall see well it's almost like if you, uh, learn your entire playbook from a mobbed up lawyer, uh, eventually it will catch up with you. It will like, you can, you can mess around, you know, at the state level, you can always buy people off, but you know, once you reach the peak of the mountain, all of a sudden, everybody's like, we can't just keep letting this happen. You know what I mean? Like you fucked around. Now you got to find out those are the rules that's a clause i believe in the constitution i believe it's the 27th amendment i think it's in the bill of rights

yeah yeah yeah yeah you're right to find out you're right to fuck around and find out that's right you have that right to fuck around but you also will have to find out legally but, one difference about like with all these other indictments, though, is that we are going to get a mugshot. The sheriff in Fulton County is basically saying like, yeah, I don't have any special instructions and I treat this shit like anything else. You got you coming in, getting charged. We're taking a mugshot. So, yeah, get ready. And I can you can already see the fucking grift that is going to happen around that mugshot unless trump looks like absolute shit in it right like if i was taking the mugshot i would try and do something where like you get like an in-between blinks type photo yeah i wonder

he's like smiling big because you know he's going to try and do that shit so i'd be like oh you got someone on your shirt he's like where click and then he looks all down like you know half melted that's please photographer at the the jailhouse go use those tips well what's also beautiful is his whole thing is like loyalty loyalty but he just he's already alienated his entire team he's fired everybody so do you think people are gonna be loyal to him during all of this and if he's at the top you know i mean like how many people are going to be offered plea deals to that's what happens in the justice you try to get to the top

of the thing yeah by offering people deals and you think these people feel loyal to him you're out of your mind you think rudy giuliani wants to do any time in jail no no no he does not no he does not and he knows everything yeah i know it's wild to see that that this like fucking bro relationship turned it got him all got them all the way here now yeah maybe they'll be sellies it is it is tough because this is like the best prop the best case scenario for the criminal justice system is like okay someone actually did something bad that was like putting the entire, our entire country's ability to function at risk. Like, so, you know, we're rooting for people who are typically doing the worst shit in the world, you know, like DAs and stuff and fucking feds. But in this case, you know, the broken clock corollary, I think, applies here.

Yeah. you know the broken clock corollary i think applies here yeah he also alienated like a lot of the mainstream republican base and i think if he had kept them there might be a little bit more of a chance here but like he's really whittled his whole support system down to specifically the maga thing yeah which is really separate and i think like a lot of those old school like you know generals or whatever that are technically republican are going to be like no no no no we're not we're not letting this happen you know what i mean right because yeah all these like you know like the charges in dc are also fucking dire for him and and i think but we're just all kind of in this mode of like okay we'll

see like i'm stop obstructing an official proceeding, like, what is even that? But that can carry 20 years if he ends up, you know, being found guilty with that. Might just get hit with obstructing official procedures. Yeah, it doesn't fit quite well. But like, in that case, though, too, like,

these outcomes are serious, right? Because on one side, he's acting in the D.C. trial. He's acting like, well, as president, like I was just doing what I needed to do to try and make sure that the election was was turning out the right way. So if he's able to fucking like dodge these charges, that is completely going to upend like what a president can do in the, quote, pursuit of, you know, trying to get to the bottom of election results because that's ultimately what they're going to be arguing in trump's defense and then with this one i mean

shit it's just like how blatant can you get and how far will we let this man go so yeah it's yeah you're poison they all got they all got pretty pretty substantial charges uh and all stakes are high and i'm you know i'm trying to be optimistic it is hard because ever since he got elected immediately it was like he's going to be impeached he's going to be impeached and then you know something else would come out this is the end of trump we've been hearing it for so long that i'm just like to protect my heart i'm i'm not allowing my you know it's like a kid who like he wants to believe his dad's coming to his game, but in his heart, he knows he's probably not coming. That's,

that's the feeling I'm fighting inside myself. These charges are dad coming to the game and I'm like, I want to believe, I want to believe, but I've heard it before. Or in my case, dad coming to my track meet. And then when he did, it was just to tell me he was leaving my mom. So either way, it's just real tough out there waiting.'s what's dad gonna do this time oh boy but anyway all that to say this is like i mean when you look at all of these like the amount of years even with the documents case like if just a couple of these are we we go all the way and we find him in jail like it's it will be interesting if he tries to

run from prison again if but a very important thing to point out with the georgia indictment is that the way pardons work in georgia is like the governor can't just pardon you like there's like a five-person panel that like is that is in charge of looking at pardons and for you to even get to that panel you have to serve at least five years to even be eligible so like it's it this is like it's stickier than most and again i'm like i'm with all y'all where i'm like i you know i'll believe it when i see it but the fact that we're getting a mug shot there's just like there's gonna be tv there's gonna be cameras and i don't know that This could be different. But again, I'm not. I'm also we'll see if dad shows up.

We'll see if dad shows up. Yeah. Thinking back to like the very first time we had this feeling where it was like they got him was when he admitted that he fired James Comey because of the Russia investigation. Oh, yeah. It feels like so tame compared to like where we're at now. For sure. He's on wax being like, you need to find voters like you need to find votes that don't exist, essentially. Yeah.

We were throwing our hats in the air being like, oh, my God. He admitted. But nothing happened. So, yeah. Now here we are. All right. Let's talk about the media real quick. And, you know, we've talked about how small town newspapers, it's been sort of a steady drumbeat of like now the small town newspaper went away. Now the small town newspaper went away that they're apparently dying off at like a rate of two a week.

Like local newspapers. like local newspapers. It's about 25% of local newspapers have gone away since 2005. And by 2025, they expect it to be a third. A third gone or a third left? A third gone. Wow. So it's actually not as far along

as I thought it might be. Like, so there I think there's still like some hope. And there are a couple of stories that are, I don't know, the hope being that like we get a new system that isn't capitalism in there somehow. And like we start using taxpayer dollars to fund local media because it's like an absolute necessity. Right. local media because it's like an absolute necessity right but like there's a couple stories just that are that are very similar to one another about small town newspapers who report on or were investigating local police and the police just like go after them one that's getting a lot of headlines is a kansas newspaper a circulation of about 4,000 got raided.

Like the office of the Marion County record was raided by the local police. They seized computers, servers, cell phones of reporters and editors, which is like basically illegal. You're like not supposed to be allowed to do that. No, that's completely protected under the First Amendment. supposed to be allowed to do that no that's completely protected under the first amendment and even if they suspect that there is documents that are on those computers or whatever that they got illegally you still cannot take them like there's there's a whole process it's like oh no there's bad stuff on there i'm sorry we're docking your shit down we're taking it all and it's interesting because the way the story is being reported, what this is supposedly about is that the publisher reported on a restaurant owner

who had a DUI conviction. It's this weird controversy that immediately seems like it's designed to turn your brain off. And then a paragraph in, you find out this detail. The record had been actively investigating police chief Gideon Cody at the time of the raid after receiving tips that he had left his previous job in Kansas City, Missouri, to avoid repercussions for alleged sexual misconduct charges. Meyer said in an interview published Saturday on The Handbasket. I guess that's his newsletter.

published saturday on the handbasket i guess that's his news newsletter though the paper never ran the information details about the investigation including the identities of those who made the allegations against cody were in a computer seized by the police so yeah that's not good that's convenient because like the way they went in it was like how did you know this restaurant owner had a dui you trying to mess up her ability to get a liquor license? Where'd you find out? And it's like her estranged husband gave them the information. So they didn't obtain it illegally. Like the outlet, the newspaper did not. So again, like your beef should be with this husband, if anything.

And but then conveniently like, so we got to take all the computers for the other story about the chief. Yeah. The warrant for the raid reportedly appears to violate federal law protecting journalists making it way worse. One of the paper's co-owners whose home was raided is this 98 year old Joan Meyer

who fucking died after the cops raided her home because like people think probably because of the stress of the situation. But there was also this new york article a couple months back about a small town paper in oklahoma that like very similar like uncovered a massive corruption in the local sheriff's office were targeted for harassment the publisher or one of the reporters left a pen with a recording device on it in like an official meeting room ahead of this meeting

between like the police and local officials and the officials like were captured on the recording talking about how first of all they wanted to bring back lynching and second of all how they should just kill this reporter and they were like yeah i've got a like i've got an excavator i've got the holes dug like it it wasn't like idle talk like they were like we we should just kill this motherfucker that recording's fucking chilling because they are so casual about like well i don't know what we got to do then and the guy's like truly like yeah well the holes are dug so yeah uh cool i don't think a lot of people understand how like deeply evil some people are like i feel like there's like a naivety that kind of stops us from doing anything about stuff like this because

i think like most people want to believe that most people are good and they're doing the best they can and things are just a little messy but like that that's crazy like no one, they should all be at least stripped of their duties. If you're caught saying that you, you can't have any sort of official job at that point. Like, and honestly, that is conspiracy to commit a crime so that they should be in jail. Like it's, that is, that's preposterous. That is, and it's caught on tape and it's caught on tape straight up. And so the guy like brought it just caught on tape. It's caught on tape, straight up. And so the guy just published. So the newspaper didn't have an online presence.

That's how old school it was. And so the next day, they published the paper with a giant QR code on the front next to the story. And if you went to the QR code, it would just take you to the file that they had uploaded with the three-hour like meeting recording and you could just listen to the recording but it's yeah and just listen to these people talking about murdering people and how it was better when you could take a black man out back and hang him right j is like we're all cops you said cops and like there there's like a local like county official who that's what i don't think people understand too like the whole like blue lives matter pushback or whatever it's like hey man cops are important they have jobs it's like yes absolutely however you have to understand that there are people that seek out being a cop because it gives them the

ability to wield power over the people that they don't like and it's almost always racially motivated always racially i don't know i said almost it's always racially motivated because being a cop doesn't pay very much so hey what's an advantage oh well i can bully black doesn't some places and that's what i've always wanted to do you know yeah yeah yeah it's it's yeah and i think it also you just see how like how that power just corrupts these people's brains to the point where they're just casually talking about like yeah i know hitman like we can get this shit done because yeah in their mind they are truly like they're like we're above the law. Like that doesn't matter. Like we are the ones that enforce it.

So if y'all keep your mouth shut, then we should be good and we can just disappear people or fucking completely violate these like democratic norms we have for like a free press and just fucking bully your way into a fucking newspaper and just take all the fucking servers and cell phones? Because also, wasn't it found out that there was no fucking affidavit, like a signed affidavit that was filed with the court to even go do this? Yeah, yeah. It was like their warrant was like completely, the warrant for the raid was like completely bullshit. Like they just did it. They just went through and did it. And it's not like these are the worst local police districts.

This is just these are the ones that happened to be in a place that still had local media. You know, it's like that's that's not that common. So this is just like what happens when you have a local newspaper that is still out there, like, turning over fucking rocks to see, like, what's actually happening, you know? Like, does L.A. even have, like, a local newspaper? I feel like all the L.A., local L.A. publications fucking got bought out by, like, real estate yeah it's like yeah i mean it's it's hard because now most of the journalists who are even holding like police departments accountable get harassed to fucking high hell that they like they just have to publish like independently or something like that yeah but now like apparently you know there's like the kansas bureau of investigations is like

beginning to look into this i mean you'd hope doj looks into this and just fucking like dissolve this police department completely i don't know where the fuck they get off like i mean i do know where they think they get off doing this shit but this is another fuck around and find out where okay well all y'all are gone because i do think man i think a lot of this too is a direct um result of trump it's like these people saw him yeah saw the playbook just commit crimes deny pay people off and you'll be fine and i think people that vibe with that mindset see that and they're like all right well why not us because you know they will protect us they meaning that you know federalist society all that shit like the conservative white supremacy yeah yeah and like the conservative takeover of the, yeah. And like the white supremacy, conservative takeover of the justice system,

which started in the eighties, I think seventies or eighties, they've been slowly doing this to the federalist society and all that. And it's like, I, I personally really need something to be done about this stuff because I'm losing faith. I'm losing faith in our systems. And I think the people are, so it's like, please do something for the love of god like you said just like something big a big action like we have to see it as a people because i think we're

all just becoming so jaded and cynical that and that's that's where things get really dangerous yeah the population kind of gives up on democracy because it's like well it doesn't actually do anything and yeah yeah just look at what a local police, like local police who aren't afraid of local media will do. And like that is the future if all these local journalistic institutions go away. It's authoritarianism. Yeah, exactly.

Like that, just the second that they think they have, the coast is clear. They just do this shit they turn into like a police state all right well let's uh we'll keep talking about that we will link off the the new yorker article is really interesting and worth reading because it's just straight up like yeah it's it's very simple straightforward these people are evil they're like the the thing that initially like got their attention is that like these people who were long time cops with this police department were all just like getting fired by this new sheriff and like that it was like this

is the cop who like had that drug bust like you know last year that actually seemed you know people like they the guy just came in like cleaned house and was like replacing them with like his friends and so he reported on that and that's what got got them fucked up so it's it's a pretty it's pretty crazy story we'll link off to it in the footnotes all right let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church.

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And we're back. And a country song has gone viral again. This one's called The Rich Men, North of Richmond. And if you know your geography, I think he's talking about Washington. I think he's talking about the clowns at that circus up there in Washington. No, I think it's talking about Washington. I think he's talking about the clowns at that circus up there in Washington. Oh, not Richmond, California? No, I think it's Richmond, Virginia.

Virginia. And it's sung by a red-headed, bearded man. He's singing in the woods. He got the mise-en-scene cue from Tucker Carlson and was like, gotta be man of the woods. And so he's singing the song, and there's real feeling and verve in his voice. And the parts that have gone viral, his sentiment seems to be more in line

with early labor anthems of, my job sucks and like the man is taking the dollar isn't worth shit anymore but like the rest of the song i which i just listened to for the first time today he he starts like talking about how like they don't care about miners in down in coal mines they just want to be on an island with minors oh the little children so i mean sure which definitely true like the politicians and people in power like were on jeffrey epstein's island but then like he gets into a thing about like how blaming obese people for milking welfare and using like welfare checks to pay for their fudge rounds like specifically he name checks fudge rounds um

it just really it really like goes from being a thing that sounds like it could be you know a broad call to arms for like work underpaid workers to like a greg gutfeld's like monologue about how like people poor people are making us pay for their fudge rounds and junk food over here in a way that i i wasn't aware of until i actually just like went and listened to the whole song i was like wow this really takes a turn for the shitty like after after the first verse right right right yeah it's uh that that one lyric thing what the fuck lord we got folks in the street ain't got nothing to eat and the obese milking welfare yeah that's that's when it is wild because it feels like a milkshake duck of a song because yeah exactly i saw the version i saw was the first

verse and he was like you know been selling my soul working all day and i'm like yeah okay okay and you know he's got that fucking little emotion to his delivery and then like the song kind of cuts off and i and then i was like oh all right when they're playing it elsewhere i guess like a 45 second clip i thought it's like a short song but then you get this whole back end where it's like actually revealing what his political perspectives are and it's very much in line with someone who has no idea how taxes actually work yeah or anything and just like it's more evoking the idea of like we're getting taxed and like and that's that even the first verse like he starts talking about how like they're taxing us to hell and it feels like oh is this a like the first verse makes you wonder like is this a deft like tea party style plant you know like astroturfing thing

because like what like somebody who is this poor like probably doesn't is like taxing their dollar probably isn't the first concern but then like the second verse makes it seem like maybe he's just been mainlining Fox News to the degree that he's just adopted some of those talking points or something. at the very least, people in power really wanting this to be the first step in a movement of conservatism that resonates with the public. I mean, this song is honestly a beautiful metaphor for what it's like to try to find common ground with a conservative. You start the conversation and the first verse, the first verse you're like okay okay all right you with me you're sure and then and then you're like okay this is nice that we're doing this and then it's just like all of a sudden you're talking about vaccines and you're like oh no oh no no no

i'm talking about that's the thing like modern conservatism is so rooted in conspiracy theory now like that's because they're grasping at straws it's just like gotten so insane that and i think fox news used to not dabble in that as much but so much of the base now is that so they just feed them what they want and so now so much of the republican party is all about this conspiracy shit and you know to be fair epstein's island yeah okay for sure yeah um yeah and no republicans ever went there so that's that's another thing hey flawless victory flawless reference there sir absolutely right and the welfare queen thing's been debunked so long it's like i don't even know that's what's so frustrating right now is it's like it's already been debunked but then i show

you the study that debunked it and then you just call that some sort of like liberal hoax and it's just like where do we go from here i i don't know this has been studied it's not real i mean i saw john stewart clip the other day which in uh mlk said something similar back in the day where it's like this country is uh socialism for the rich and it's rugged capitalism for the poor and that's true and that's actually what this guy should be feeling and experiencing and that's what's so crazy to me is the media can sell you something that isn't true and you just buy it even though if you look at your life it's clearly not the case

do you know i'm saying like i remember i remember after trump got elected talking to these guys and i was like so what was the appeal there they're like oh my taxes already went down man like and it's like no they haven't you just paid taxes on the old tax code because this was like the year he got elected so it's like 2016 i was, but you just paid your taxes for 2015. Right. So, you know, like this isn't even signed in a lot.

Like, and it's, and also it was a friend of mine that at the time was like working retail. I was like, doc, like this is not this, your tax bracket is unaffected by even the Trump change, but they just don't.

It's, it's because they're like dealing with their like racial grievances grievances which already are not rooted in something like objectively good or like it's just like they're like i don't like what's happening to white america or whatever so when you start from there you don't have a lot of like real logical strong handles to hold on to and pull yourself up with so it ends up just being like, fuck it, man. I just need some other shit to say out loud that kind of keeps me stuck in this sort of narrative of like, this is why the fascists need to take over, even though I have no way of demonstrating that it's affected my taxes positively. I spoke to somebody who was talking about how he like hates the Democrats because he's a veteran. And I was like, oh, i'm like but you know like republicans are standing

in the way of a lot of your va benefits right like they consistently are like voting against expanding those benefits it's like and the guy was really like i don't he just went i don't know about that and i said no you should you should you should check it out like like there's a there's a whole thing about like dudes having to deal with burn pits and all kinds of shit. Like they don't want to fucking help nobody. And he's like, oh yeah, we'll see. We'll see. And that was like the closest. But again, it's just to sort of serve this thing of like, I don't like this very, you know, nonsensical thing, like racial, like equity.

So therefore I'm fine with just, you know, regurgitating whatever, you know, talking points there are that help me stay like, OK, well, I'm on this side. Because to your point about the conspiracy theories, like now that I really look at the lyrics, that the chorus of saying living in the new world with an old soul. I'm like, OK, so we're talking about New World Order. And then they want to. And then there's like a bunch of surveillance. Total control. Yeah. They want to know what you think and know what you do.

No, they don't. Nobody gives a shit, man. Nobody. Truly. If anyone does, it's meta and fucking like Google. They're monetizing by knowing what the fuck you want. That's the thing. And what's also crazy is with all of that, you know, what started the surveillance state was the Patriot Act, which was George W. Bush.

That was a Republican led. you know what started the surveillance state was the patriot act which was george w bush that was a republican led that's where like a lot of what if you're really a conspiracy theorist that that should be alarming to you you know what i mean like and that was not but they everything gets framed as like a left-wing thing or whatever and it's like but that's just because they're looking for muslims right so that's why it's not a problem for me until you really look at how it's applied. And they don't give a fuck. They'll use that statute for fucking anything. Yeah.

So, yeah, the lyrics are... Dude, the part about fudge rounds. Jack, the version you gave was like euphemistic. What did he say? Well, God, if you're five foot three and you're 300 pounds, taxes ought not to pay for your bag of fudge rounds. Yeah. That's not even a good lyric. They don't even say you're forcing it.

It's wild. That's why I say it feels like some hack took over. Because the part that's getting played everywhere is at least you're like, okay, I see why this is like, it's like connecting with like an older tradition. It's just like a worse kind of diminished AI version of that. But the, the second verse like just goes into like this like shitty, like Fox news,

Steve Ducey, like, I don't know. It's just regurgitating bullshit from, yeah, Fox News comedy. And I think, but that's the brilliance of it. Like, I will give this guy the credit here because this is, this is actually, like, it's catchy because he's, he's actually a good musician and like a singer. So you kind of get lost in the performance without listening to the words. Like the parts that you listen in the beginning,

you're like, right, overtime hours for bullshit pay so I can sit out here and waste my life away. And you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that part. And then they just slowly turn it up because then you're living in the new world and then you get to the second verse. We're talking about Epstein's Islands

and then we're talking about welfare fucking cheats and like the obese and then suicide rates somehow uh yeah yeah marjorie taylor green though certified banger she has come out and said so i mean he's come out people are like what what's what are your political uh leanings and he says i'm i'm center because both sides serve the same master but so the song is certainly failing the who's into this and why test it's not not great here but yeah and also i actually forgot to look this up to confirm but with food stamps and abt there are restrictions on what you can buy oh yeah that's the other thing it's like again it's it's it's like yeah worried about what they like for the government won't let you buy

fudge rounds with you know food stamps and snap and shit like that you like there's usually like rules in place but like also the fact that that has like that is the thing that he thinks is the problem with the country but even the thing that the one the point people always point to is that like there's always they raise the specter of this like woman of color who is cheating the system and getting all these benefits when statistically white people are the ones that are on the most benefits in this country yeah so like fucking i mean again that's why it's like it's so it's so clear why this guy wants to be coy and act be of all obtuse about like where his political ideology may have like stemmed from it's like it's just so clear in the lyrics like where you're at and you're just doing this because

you're like well if i say i'm maga outright then i get dismissed if i can kind of play this thing like i'm this like independent thinker then now you'll have to look at my what i'm saying through that lens and try and give it some more credence or, you know, analysis more than like, dude, this guy's just, he's just like the most,

he just won the MAGA talent show. That's all I see. Yeah, that's right. He's, he's been famous for 72 hours. So let's give him time. Like I'm,

I'm sure by the time this episode drops, he'll have said some like wild shit, but right. His new name is Tim McGaugh. Yeah. like wild shit but right his new name is tim magar but this does like sort of give me a sinking feeling because as we've talked about before like somebody is going to like give people who are getting fucked by the economy like some alternative you know,

and up to this point, it's only been fascism and Trump, but like, you know, Trump is not going to last forever. And it seems like the Republican party doesn't really have a ready alternative to Trump. And I just like,

would really love it. If you know, the, the voice that like came through and was like, this is bullshit. Like that you have to work overtime that like came through and was like this is bullshit like that you have to work overtime and like don't and and just get treated like shit by your employer like i wish that voice wasn't racist like i know that it's almost feels like yeah it's almost like maybe supporting an increase of minimum wage would maybe help a little bit more right then you know like

that's and that's the part where it's all insane is it's just like i agree with the first part yeah but then yeah yeah you're focused on capitalists and capitalism like that that is they are largely responsible for the obesity epidemic that you're seeing in the country like there there's all sorts of but like he has to like thread it through a critique of like welfare somehow which just is is wild yeah i but i think it's just it all goes back to just this like like it's it reminds me of just how right like we were talking last week about how there are all these articles about like do people really get like how good fucking bidenomics is

like do people actually understand that joe biden fucking like saved the economy from a fucking recession and the thing is that it people don't care because they they're not no one was hanging on a knife sedge about if we're gonna have a soft landing uh with the economy because they look at their fucking wages yeah and like this is the thing like where many sociologists and like experts around fucking radicalization are like you have to get to inequality first you have to address that shit all the talk is gonna fuck you're gonna miss everybody with that unless you're not tangibly addressing it then again like to your point jack you're gonna have more people who are left behind who are looking for explanations as to why the fuck my life is

like this and you'll feel and then we'll begin to see the emergence of even more grifters who are out here being like it's actually this group of people it's actually this it's actually this it's actually this and you know when joe biden you know and the federal government could be doing like i think a lot more to address those kinds of things because we're already going to see a lot of these like pandemic era benefits for like families like those tax credits and shit they're about to go poof yeah and that's gonna put a thesis is they're doing too much whereas the reality is they actually don't give a shit yeah and that's the problem they don't care what you're doing or you know what you think and that's the problem they just don't which is what makes this song

pretty dangerous in that sense because it's like completely missing all the points but it's packaged in a way that you get you fired up to be like yeah that's the grievance but not the facts totally and this is the thing man if you're below a certain tax bracket your your your life really isn't changing that much because none of these tax programs tangibly actually help working people and that's where people get disenfranchised with democrats you know a lot of times democrats talk a big game and then don't actually deliver to the people that they ran on helping and so i think what happens is when you target a song like this at poor people they eat it up because like

this whole idea of like the economy it's like most people don't even understand how the economy works and to be honest with you if you're getting paid a wage that's just gonna be you're getting paid what your wage is and to even think that has anything to do with the president is insane you know what i mean unless it's like a minimum wage thing or whatever like yeah yeah it's just uh wages have stagnated ceos are making more money than ever and that's capitalism that is not really even right or left it's just like that's the system is being strip mined by by the wealthy that's what's happening right and i don't think that's the leftist process yeah that's very leftist idea of course i mean i think it's very clear where i stand uh despite my bald head and white skin and red beard but like yeah man it's just i don't think

enough first of all our con our um knowledge of civics and our knowledge of just how the government even functions is so bad i mean it's just like most people don't understand even understand how it works and so it just creates this uh it opens the door for all these conspiracy theories because it's like a much easier explanation of what's going on than sort of the complex concept of like velocity of money and understanding how the fed prints money and that drives inflation and you know like people just don't they're like i don't know it's just a bunch of pedophiles which again not fully not wrong right yeah it's a bunch of pedophiles screwing up my paycheck yeah well yeah kind of trying to but that's not that's not the main point though man it's a larger picture than that it's like again yeah it is it is a i think a hard

thing to grasp i think the only thing that's heartening is like how much younger people are less susceptible to that this like fucking acoustic version of what is wrong with our economy and more like no like there's fucked up inequality like that we have to address now we'll see how that evolves but that is like the one thing at least that younger people are a little bit more on top of that shit at least what they're understanding than you know previous generations like where i only fucking figured it out like when i went to college yeah i think millennials started catching on later like because like i think our generation was a little less interested in like buying homes

right out of college and i know a lot of my friends are having kids later in life and i think now you're starting to see oh wow starting a family is so much harder for us than it was for our parents you know like buying a house is insane right now health care is insane and i think our generation is just now starting to really grasp how different it is but i think the younger kids just see it it's just like yeah well because millennials had that thing where like we were still fucking pounding that 80s kool-aid of like yeah man fucking get a job and shit after college you fucking have everything have a boat and you're like all right that's all i gotta do and then like you get out of college around 2007-8 and then you're just like grasping like

just the ashes of like this broken promise. And you're like, huh? So it took a little bit of time for us to like mourn that possibility that we like grew up thinking was real and then fully stepping into like shit's fucked and we have to do something about it because I like, I completely, I was thrown for a loop thinking I was going to get somewhere with the, you know, the way the economy was or what the,

the old school steps were at like entering the middle class and shit like that. So yeah. Yeah. Go to trade school kids. There you go. Well, Kenny,

such a pleasure having you, uh, where can people find you follow you all that good stuff? I'm at Kenny DeForest. Uh, that's D E F O R E S T. Uh, Instagram, Tik TOK threads. I'm on threads now. You know what I mean? I'm not Kenny DeForest. That's D-E-F-O-R-E-S-T. Instagram, TikTok, Threads.

I'm on Threads now. You know what I mean? I'm not on Twitter, but I am on Threads. I just, you know, fresh start. Let's see what the new one does. I'm sure Zuck's a better guy. But those are my main ones. Yeah, I mean, I might get back on Twitter again at some point,

but I actually deactivated that account. And if I do come back, it'll be kind of like a fresh start type thing. But Instagram is, I feel like if you really want to follow me and see me, it seems to be the best way to engage with fans directly. I feel like you can really see, like, you know, I post all my shows on my stories. It's like easy to see that and see where I'm going to be. The special comes out, like you said, August 17th, 9 p.m. Eastern. So please check that out. That would mean the world to me. And yeah,

that's the big thing. So give me a follow and come see your show, man. Come see me live. That's really what I would like from you. And I also have my old special is on YouTube as well. So if you like the new one, go back and check out Bad Dreams and just consume my content, man. That's all. That's the name of the game. That's how you can help me out. So there it is. He's one of the best doing it. So definitely go check it out. You will not be disappointed.

Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? You know, there's a new Instagram guy that really makes me laugh. It's called Boston. Be a man. Have you seen this guy? No. He like ironically, he's like, be a man. Like he ends it with be a man.

Yeah. Yeah. He gives like the most toxic man advice ever. And the one I saw recently that made me laugh so hard is he said, be a father figure to all the kids in your neighborhood. Then hook up with their moms. Be a man. Be a man. Real Boston shit.

Love it. Miles, where can people find you? what is the work of media you've been enjoying oh man uh you can find me on all the at based websites at miles of gray check jack and out on the basketball podcast miles and jack got mad boosties kenny was on a couple episodes ago i was out sick though i think yeah talking about the steph docky yeah turns out they were really sleeping on that kid. But he really, he showed them, huh? Steph Curry.

It's crazy, man. It is really like that. That was like my take going in was like, okay. But like, no way this guy was that big of an underdog. And then you see it and he's, he just really is like tiny. Like in high school, he's tiny. He like grew in the NBA. It's crazy.

Tiny boy. And yeah, you can also tiny. He like grew in the NBA. It's crazy. Tiny boy. And yeah, you can also find me on my new true crime podcast, The Good Thief. So please check that out. And then obviously 420 Day Fiance. Some tweets I like. I actually like one at Dagg, D-E-G-G tweeted. If I had two buttholes, my life would not change at all. I wouldn't use one of them for any silly

business. I'd poo out of both of them. So just like the energy behind that tweet. Yeah, that's amazing. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien and on threads at Jack underscore O underscore O'Brien. Some tweets I've been enjoying. Jesse McLaren tweeted, So we're supposed to root for Mark Zuckerberg,

a longtime villain, just because he's willing to fight Elon Musk, a new villain? And he said, yes, this is what 10 Fast and Furious movies have been preparing us for. And then Sausage Hobbit tweeted that picture of Trump that's going around

where someone was like perfect posture, And Sausage Hobbit tweeted that picture of Trump that's going around where he, someone was like perfect posture, where it's like showing how his like legs are behind his torso in a weird way. I think one person said it looks like he's the front of a centaur. But at Sausage Hobbit tweeted, he looks like he's about to float towards the scent of a freshly baked pie. And he really does. Looks like he's about to be lifted off his feet by some good smells.

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you might enjoy. Miles, what song do you think people might enjoy? Wow, I mean we could just talk about Rico, but no. That's an established track. That beat is so drilled into my head at this point. Someone just needs to cut

together when all the footage of this trial hopefully goes the right way, put everything just put everything just the new music videos just be images from this trial yeah uh but the track that i want to go out on is from this artist terry presume and it's called zaza and some runs parenthetical smoke break uh and it's a dope track it's got like a sample of the isley brothers was that steps in the night that like very we use drum sample along with some really great just instrumentation on it's like a combo of like funk and r&b a little bit of rap so check this one out again like i said turning the volume up slowly but surely so this is terry presume with zaza and some runs all right well we will link off to that in

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