The Daily Zeitgeist - Trump’s The Best Person He’s Ever Had Sex With; Ugh, Simpsons 4.12.18

Episode Date: April 13, 2018

In episode 125, Jack & Miles are joined by comedian Jono Zalay to discuss the bill that may protect Mueller, Steve Bannon's plan to time travel, Trump having more to lose in this trade war with Ch...ina, Trump's tabloid adventures, the fastball in baseball having reached peak velocity, The Simpson's response to the Apu documentary, a theory on why we haven't contacted aliens yet, & more!  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:06 Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 26, Episode 4 of Dead or Daily Zeitgeist! For April 12th, 2018, my name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Jim Jacksaw Duggan. That is a WrestleMania, a.k.a. courtesy of Gray Black, at Black of All Grays. And I am thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host mr miles gray can't keep running a gray can't keep running a gray that is a far side reference thank you so much to kellen t who's been hitting me with some really just great musical musical akas and you know i mean if i have a chance to do a j dilla produced track i will do it so thank you so much was that produced by j that is a j dilla produced how about that far
Starting point is 00:02:56 side i did not know that banger certified the akas have been coming in fast and thick since we shouted out chapman rice. People started getting competitive. They were like, oh shit, I didn't know. I mean, Chapman still got the throne, but you know what? Oh, for sure. We're seeing other people, they definitely want to play the Game of Thrones. You know what I mean? But also, if you like that song, check out the Stay and Get song that it's sampled from.
Starting point is 00:03:18 Well, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious stand-up comedian, Jono Zalay, a.k.a. the original Jay-Z. Don't anyone fact check that. Okay, we won't. I'm going to believe it. But he did get that shit from you. Let's face it. Yeah, back when he was in the Marcy Project.
Starting point is 00:03:38 Jono, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? One of my recent search history things is Desert Storm trading cards. Oh, hell yeah. Because- You got a Schwarzkopf? Oh, yeah. You got a Schwarzkopf rookie card?
Starting point is 00:03:54 The whole collection. Wow. You really do? Oh, I do. Yeah, I found it at a thrift store in Bloomington, Indiana when I was traveling, and it was such a great find. It was only like six bucks or something like that.
Starting point is 00:04:06 But yeah, there was like a whole, because it wasn't just people. There was like the generals and Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney at the time. Oh, wow. Look at all creepy. Was Colin Powell a card too? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:19 He was one of the big ones. The Commander-in-Chief, George H.W. Bush. Herbert Walker. But then they had a ton of random equipment cards. So there was one for like night vision goggles. Oh, wow. It was a baseball card for this war. This is something that we've been actually trying to figure out here in the Daily Zeitgeist studios.
Starting point is 00:04:41 Do night vision goggles actually make that high-pitched scream screech when you turn them on like they do in the movies in the early 90s? Oh, I want to know that. I bet it's for effect. Right, I bet it is too, but... Like when a flash would charge on a disposable camera, they're like, wee!
Starting point is 00:04:58 Yeah, or like any kind of space sound that they have like in Star Wars or anything like that because obviously there's no sound in space. But who knows? I mean, the reason we thought about that is because they're gonna remember the night vision goggles from Jurassic Park it was like cool night vision and the lawyer's like are they
Starting point is 00:05:12 heavy yeah then put them down they're expensive or then they're expensive put them back so that's coming back and that's when we thought do they really make the sound we don't know hey anyone with anybody who's active service military or you have experience with those headsets, let me know.
Starting point is 00:05:28 Do they make the sound? Do they not? Yeah. Let us know. Wait, hold on. I got to start. The best card, though. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:33 What's the best card? Stealth Bomber, right? Oh, that's certainly a good get, as they say. Probably among the most. You'd have to look at the Beckett on the description on trading cards. Hell yeah. I think Beckett had to go Beckett on the trading cards. Hell yeah. I think Beckett had to go online because nobody even bought... I mean, let's be real. Anytime I used it... For people who don't know, Beckett was like the stock market index for trading cards.
Starting point is 00:05:53 Market price. In the 90s. Yeah. So you knew what a card was worth. And if you ever were into card collecting, you would go to the card store and you would just look at the Beckett in the store and then leave. Yeah. Right. There was no need to buy it or take it. I still have most of my portfolio tied up in baseball cards. Oh, I'm 100% locked in and I have nothing now. Right.
Starting point is 00:06:12 I thought these Allen Iverson rookie cards would be worth something. Turns out, because everybody had that Ken Griffey Jr. rookie card, it's not worth as much as we thought it was worth. Except for the, I think the signed Shohei Otani card is worth like seven grand right now or something like that. Right now. Right now. And then when people realize, oh, everybody went out and bought that. Everybody had the same idea.
Starting point is 00:06:34 Were there alt decks for like the nasty people, like the Sadams? Oh, you know what? I don't think so. It was just the good, quote unquote, good guys. You know what? I think there was one for Saddam, I believe. Okay. Well, it should be.
Starting point is 00:06:47 Because I remember in Iraqi Freedom, they had the trading card deck. Oh, did they? Yeah. So everybody could identify the most wanted people. Interesting. Don't you remember that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The trading card deck for all the-
Starting point is 00:06:58 But that was for soldiers, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or was that something you could get back? It was, but then you could buy it. Oh, you mean like the playing card deck, not trade yeah playing card for like soldiers so they knew like how you know which so like the osama was like the ace of spades or whatever just a hierarchy or the joker depending on how you look at it am i right guys yeah they really did a good job branding that war though they really did so uh that's a period of time.
Starting point is 00:07:25 I don't know if that seems recent to people who aren't as old as me, but to me, I still remember going to elementary school and there being stealth bomber fruit snacks and fruit snacks that were the different weapon. That's how fun war was. If you got the Stealth Bomber, you would trade your entire dessert to get the Stealth Bomber fruit snack.
Starting point is 00:07:50 Yo, wait, what was that? What brand of fruit snack was that? I don't know. America? Yeah. Fucking America. I feel like they just tasted like shark. They took shark bites
Starting point is 00:08:01 and then made them into war shapes, basically. But yeah, so brief backstory on that war is that people thought George H.W. Bush was a wimp. That was like an actual media narrative. They were just like, eh, this guy seems like kind of a wuss. And so he, after going to that war, was, most people would say, justified because they had invaded Kuwait. But he then, like, had this huge military parade down the street, down the middle of the street. And, like, it was really some next level, like, World War II shit that happened not that long ago. Because I remember even fucking Ninja Turtle figures were not safe from this propaganda.
Starting point is 00:08:44 And there was a set of Ninja Turtles that was like, oh, Leonardo's an Air Force pilot. Or like Raphael is like an infantryman. And I was like, this is weird because they don't really fuck with guns. But also I was such a big Ninja Turtles fan. I was like, I need them. Wait, that really happened? Yeah, look them up. Shoot nunchucks at people?
Starting point is 00:09:01 No, like they full on had like weapons. Like it was crazy. That's very disturbing. Yeah. I also think that like, it's interesting the way that it mirrors the time that the different merchandise and propaganda, because like back in the early 90s,
Starting point is 00:09:13 that's when baseball cards were huge. Right. So they had trading cards. And then in the early 2000s, that's when the poker craze was going on. Right. So like, I wonder what the modern day North Korean war ramp up will be.
Starting point is 00:09:25 Right. A cryptocurrency. Tide pods. Tide pods. Kim Jong-un. Yeah. Uncoins. Uh,
Starting point is 00:09:31 we could talk about, uh, American wars forever, but, uh, Jono, what, what is something you think is underrated?
Starting point is 00:09:38 Underrated is, uh, YouTube tutorials. I, I had like one copy of my car key and car keys for whatever reason are ridiculously expensive to replace or like i just needed a backup essentially and everywhere you would call it like a locksmith or whatever it's like yeah it's 150 bucks or 200 but whatever like because it's not just the key like a house key where you just cut it
Starting point is 00:10:05 at Home Depot or whatever, you have to, you know, program it. Like, they have to, like, do a certain thing because there's, like, a transponder chip in every car key now to prevent theft. Oh, now? Yeah. Not in, like, my old 99 Prelude.
Starting point is 00:10:18 I mean, I think it was, like, around 2000 that they started doing this. Yeah, because I saw you start mine with a Leatherman. So, like, but the internet now a leather man uh so like but you the internet now like because like you don't have to go like you can find out everything although i thought it was like some specialty computer that they were programming right like no it's just like you do a certain combination of like sticking it in the uh ignition and opening doors a certain combination whoa so i just got a blank key, cut it at a Home Depot
Starting point is 00:10:45 and then programmed it myself based on YouTube videos and it was $20 instead of $200. Wow. Also, hey. It's a scam. Don't fall for the key thing. For my young miscreants who are listening, hey, if you're trying to boost a car, I think you should unlock the fucking matrix
Starting point is 00:11:02 where you look up the YouTube. You'd still have to steal someone's key and then copy it. Yeah, well, I'm saying, but it's your mom. You know what I mean? It's your mom's car key. Oh, yeah, sure. Who didn't drive illegally first in their parents' car? Come on, raise your hand.
Starting point is 00:11:13 No? I actually, I mean. Okay, thank you. I did not. Oh. Oh, I said who didn't. Yes. Never mind.
Starting point is 00:11:21 What's something you think is overrated? I'll say baseball. I mean, not like... Baseball is great in a historical standpoint, but I think it's reached a... I think it peaked almost last year in a modern sense. The series was great. It went seven games and all that stuff.
Starting point is 00:11:39 It was a little bit exciting. But that's as good as it can get without steroids. Right. little bit exciting but that's like as as good as it can get without steroids right and it's still like i'm still more excited this year about the nba playoffs yeah yeah yeah than anything in baseball but in you but you know people should know that you you've played baseball oh yeah hating on baseball i just feel like is it going to get any better than what it just was you know what i i sort of think of it the same way as The Simpsons or whatever. In my youth, it was great.
Starting point is 00:12:09 It's the greatest it's ever been. My favorite sport of all time, my favorite show of all time thing. But hey, it can go. So basically, that Dodgers-Astros World Series was when Principal Skinner became Armin Tamzarian. Jump the shark. Well, seriously, because I still don't understand how there were as many hits and home runs as there were last. It was vulgar.
Starting point is 00:12:30 It was crazy. Like, it was almost like a different sport had started being played. And it was right after the strike that the steroids era began to revitalize it. Yeah. That series was bonkers i i would love to hear conspiracy theories but yeah i like i've heard that the balls were too smooth and that's why they like couldn't get any movement on the pitches or something oh you're talking about this last year's last year last last year there are conspiracies about it i had that's what people
Starting point is 00:12:59 were trying to describe like why every game was like i shit, I'll jump on there as a Dodgers fan. Like, yeah, I think we should look into that, man. I feel like we were wrong. Houston having to do with outer space wasn't going to be the first conspiracy theory. Oh, for sure. You know? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:17 What about... It's all tied up with NASA. What about Shohei Otani? Doesn't he excite you at all? Just because he's starting to look like a pretty freakish player? You know, now— Or based off the first couple games. You know, like, the thing is I don't care enough to watch.
Starting point is 00:13:30 Yeah. Perfect. So, yeah. There it is. Yeah. Schrodinger's pitcher. Boom. There you go.
Starting point is 00:13:37 What is a myth? What's something that people think is true that you know to be false? That, like, laws work essentially that like everyone you know the rule of law has has become into question a lot in the last year because of our current administration and the laws they may or may not be following or have followed uh and like it really because a lot of people talking about like oh impeachment is a political process, not a law process. Because like you have the political will. It's not like he, you know, a court is finding him guilty or innocent of certain crimes and misdemeanors.
Starting point is 00:14:16 But like in a way, that's kind of the entire society. Like there's all laws require the political will to enforce them and like it you know it's gone back like as far as uh andrew jackson like was the supreme court ruled that he couldn't remove the cherokee nation from georgia but then he did then the trail of tears happened anyway i think his quote was just like john marshall the chief justice has made his decision now let's see him enforce it yeah right and so he just did it anyway and so like that is kind of the playbook that the Trump administration is going for. It's like, well, we're doing whatever. Try to stop us. And it also goes the other way, where it's like marijuana still is technically prohibited by the federal government, but states have legalized it.
Starting point is 00:14:57 And so it's just there's no political will in California to go bust pot smokers. Yeah. Well, because the state's making, you know, pot smokers. Yeah. And well, cause we're states making a lot of money off of that. Yeah, exactly. And that's the thing. Like if there's money involved,
Starting point is 00:15:11 like John Boehner just became a spokesman for marijuana. Meanwhile, they're still, you know, racially enforcing it to their, uh, ends in, you know,
Starting point is 00:15:20 the South or wherever. Yeah. Sessions, his whole career is based off of imprisoning black people. Yeah, for smoking jazz cigarettes. Yeah, I think that's definitely an interesting philosophical point at this point in our country's history
Starting point is 00:15:35 because a lot of the questions that I have when it's like, well, he can't get away with that is like, okay, so you're gonna stop him? And he does do the thing that like we're scared of him doing in a lot of cases it's like oh so you're just gonna like have a civil war like you don't write that nobody wants to go fuck yourself yeah you know that Hitler used that to his benefit a lot in the run-up to World War two you want to do another world war that was terrible yeah right just got kept doing i'm claiming this oh see what i'm doing this i'm just claiming my laban's realm you know that's what that is our living space that's what we're doing uh all right let's get into the stories since
Starting point is 00:16:17 we're already kind of talking about them uh so yesterday uh we mentioned that that it looked like there was a bill that was making its way through Congress that was going to protect Mueller from being fired. Now that's not seeming as certain. Right, Miles? Well, yes, there is a bill. So, I mean, the news was that for the first time there was like a bipartisan bill that they were saying, hey, here's something to protect muller that's great that was in the judiciary committee so what's gonna have to do it'll have to get out of committee which it probably will they're gonna i think vote on it next thursday or thursday after next uh and then obviously then mitch mcconnell he would have to bring it to the senate floor for a vote and So this is where it gets tricky, right? So McConnell has said that on, like, as early as, I think, Tuesday,
Starting point is 00:17:08 that he's like, I see no need for this kind of bill. That's pretty good, McConnell. Thank you very much. Anyway, and he felt like, whatever, we don't need it yet, maybe. So that makes you unsure of even if it gets out of committee, will it even get to the Senate? And then from there, will it get 60 votes? Will it get a veto proof two thirds?
Starting point is 00:17:29 Right. You know, like so there are many hoops. That's what it needs for Trump not to be. Yeah. Yeah. To be veto proof. And then it would have to get I mean, then in the House, like, what are they going to do? That thing is a headless fucking chicken right now.
Starting point is 00:17:39 And you actually have members in that body who are actively like burn the DOJ down. So that's going to be a weird sell in that house. But again, I mean, yes, it's great that there is a bill being introduced. How effective it could be is another thing that can be debated. But then I think from the other standpoint is, you know, what's the likelihood of this actually, you know, fully becoming ratified? So the thing that they're introducing would make it so that if Trump fired Mueller, it would be subject to judicial review. Yeah, exactly. And he could have basically people show the evidence or the basis to justify the firing. So it can't just be sort of like,
Starting point is 00:18:18 oh, well, I felt like it right now, which could happen. Well, I feel like it, so no. Right. So Bannon has come out with his own suggestions of how the president should handle this situation. It's actually exactly the story that made me think of, you know, well, so if he did that, wouldn't we just be in like a civil war? Yeah, like what the fuck would happen? A constitutional crisis. Yeah. So what's Bannon's plan? So Steve Bannon, okay, we all know that Steve B bannon he was a former you know advisor to the president uh
Starting point is 00:18:50 breitbart fucking mastermind right you know what i mean genius genius honestly his most genius move is getting residual money from seinfeld i think that is the smartest thing he ever did right uh but anyway that's a whole other story. So yeah, he apparently has been floating this idea. He's trying to tell people in the West Wing, like, yo, I got this plan to fucking cripple the Mueller investigation. Listen, okay, listen, bro. It's crazy.
Starting point is 00:19:15 Step one, fire Rod Rosenstein. Step two, tell Mueller to fuck right off and don't even cooperate with him. Why? Enter step three you will claim retroactive executive privilege to basically nullify everything muller has done so it can't be used as evidence or anything because nah we don't like it basically what he's saying is like the muller investigation should have never happened anyway therefore using executive privilege retroactively any any interviews he's had any evidence that he's collected is just null and void.
Starting point is 00:19:48 And, you know, hey, baby, we're all good now. Right. So it's not really a good plan. But basically time travel, I think, is his plan. I think Mueller would probably counter that with the constitutional power of no take backs. Yeah, right. No takesies backsies. Right.
Starting point is 00:20:05 Yeah. They've already like indicted people based on testimony. There's like, oh, sorry, we ignore all the things you definitely have heard and seen of evidence of crimes. It's one of those things that's very complex. But I guess the way Steve Bannon thinks, you know, because he's a legal genius, that this is like a good thing. You know, it's like the fact that he's trying to stonewall them.
Starting point is 00:20:27 And like, I'm surprised kind of that wasn't the strategy the whole time to just stonewall investigators. But it's also like tacitly admitting that like, oh yeah, crimes were committed. And they've got us like, if they were innocent, like the whole cooperation, like let's show everyone what we did and how it wasn't illegal is a decent like PR legal strategy. But now that they're getting caught, they're like, nope, let's show everyone what we did and how it wasn't illegal, is a decent PR legal strategy. But now that they're getting caught, they're like, nope, never mind.
Starting point is 00:20:50 We never cooperated and you can't use this against us. We have nothing to hide. And the way we define nothing is everything. But yeah, he did cooperate because his lawyers told him to cooperate from the start. I think under the assumption that they didn't do anything wrong. Right. But I don't think Trump necessarily would know if he had broken a law.
Starting point is 00:21:12 Yeah. Or care. Right. I mean, that was one of the things that I took away from the Slow Burn podcast about the Nixon Watergate situation was that he bluffed people saying he had nothing to do with it and that he was gonna you know cooperate up until then he like fired a bunch of people but in the end he like just turned over all these tapes that were like recordings of him being like so we're gonna break the law yeah right it was just like at a certain point he was just like
Starting point is 00:21:45 yeah here like you know there there was like nothing left for him to do and so he just i don't know there was like this weird cognitive dissonance like mental break where he was both like he chose to exist in a world where he hadn't done anything wrong and so he gave them the evidence that proved he had so i don't know maybe that's what's going on but at least trump he has the instincts to know when he's done something wrong and knows how to deal with it which is just you know threaten people and scream about it and blah blah blah you know i mean like i think his his legal strategy throughout his life is do whatever the fuck you want and then when people start being like uh you can't do that then just get some lawyers to do what they do have michael cohen pay him off right and then without knowing that michael cohen like i think one legal like like a
Starting point is 00:22:34 publication called the worst law school in america oh did he really he went to hollywood upstairs law school yeah he literally i think studied under Bob Loblaw. So I don't know what the deal is. Yeah. Yeah. I just read a quote from him that was like talking to a journalist, I think it's Slater Vox, who was going to write something critical of Trump during the election. And he was like, what I do to you is going to be fucking disgusting.
Starting point is 00:23:05 Yeah. Right. It was like so what I do to you is going to be fucking disgusting. Yeah, right. It was like so, it was really weird. You know, law talk. Yeah. Right. That's legal jargon. It's a great legal mind right there. All right.
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Starting point is 00:27:43 and pulled America out of it immediately. And this is actually, that wasn't super controversial. Hillary said she was not going to ratify it if she got elected. But this was something that he was dead set on. And now that he has taken the very early steps of starting a trade war with China, has taken the very early steps of starting a trade war with China, he's starting to go back on that firm stance. Come around. Yeah. He had a meeting with some of the staff and he was just like, get us back in TPP. Is TPP like every Asian country other than China? It does not include China. It includes like Vietnam, Australia.
Starting point is 00:28:26 Japan, right? The countries that are in the agreement is Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, Vietnam, and the US. Yeah. So that's most of them. Yeah. And I think maybe that Trump is realizing is if we're not in there, then that gives China the incentive to bully these other countries or be more of a powerhouse in this sector of global trade. So it's like the economic NATO to combat China, like the way that the European NATO is combating Russia. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I need that to make... Yeah. So he started a fight with a big
Starting point is 00:29:02 bully. He's like, everyone gather around me. Help me out. Someone hold me back. Hold me back. But yeah, exactly. So that's in place to keep China's influence at bay. But when Trump doesn't deal with facts or figures, it's hard to have a coherent policy. So you mean like his statement that TPP was bad? It was not specific enough? Very bad. Yeah. Bad deal.
Starting point is 00:29:25 I would do a better deal. Yeah. I think this entire section, a running theme is going to be Trump's inability to properly estimate the intelligence of just everyone else besides him. Because, you know, due to his level of intelligence, he only has a certain level that he can get to. And he assumes that's the level everyone else is at. And then lo and behold, it ends up being more complex. And people have reasons for doing the things they do or not doing the things,
Starting point is 00:29:57 like starting a trade war with China. I guess all you have to do is do the Obama test. Right. It was his idea. Right. Then bad. Yeah. Then go away forever.
Starting point is 00:30:06 So what is one of the consequences of him trying to, you know, start this trade war with Trump? Well, I mean, look, to start off, we should say that, you know, Trump was like, we're going to tariff the shit out of the Chinese or whatever. And the Chinese in turn were announcing tariffs. President Xi has like sort of opened up a little bit. He's not as hard line but also he's very clever and he's not trying to just push his chest on be like yeah let's throw the
Starting point is 00:30:29 whole fucking global economy into crisis they're down for a long game if they have to uh but before those developments this week he was talking spicy and he keeps talking about the export import disparity between the two countries because on its surface, the Chinese probably have more to lose because they sold us $506 billion in stuff. And we only sold $130 billion to the Chinese. But this trade war isn't really about that. It's about politics, really. And that's where Trump is at a disadvantage because he has things like midterms and elections, whereas Xi just made himself forever king of China. And he doesn't have those sort of the same forces at work that would inform his decision making.
Starting point is 00:31:11 Also, because the way the country is run, he can whip any industry into shape immediately. He can just say everybody's doing this or everybody's going to do this and they will fall in line immediately. Right. He also is sitting on three trillion dollars of surplus cash. So even if these tariffs started to affect consumers or manufacturers, he can be like, here, take this, ease that, keep the prices low, Poppy. We got this. We got this.
Starting point is 00:31:31 He can play the long game. We cannot. He could do a great leap forward and still be in power in a couple of years. So initially, we're announcing $ 50 billion worth of tariffs on China. Xi clapped back immediately. But, you know, that's not all China has in their like sort of bag of tricks. They can stop cooperating on the North Korea stuff. They could, you know, sell some of our debt off. Right.
Starting point is 00:31:56 You know, because they're one of the largest owners, I think the largest owner of our debt. Probably. So they have many ways to fuck back with us. But, you know, again, they're a little bit more clever and they're not just about like sort of these like this verbose grandstanding that Trump is about. And the other thing is that China also understands what they're doing by studying our electoral maps and saying, you know, let's turn the heat up on districts that are Trump friendly or have very powerful Republican congressmen or senators in there. So then they can also put pressure on the president because that will hurt them as well so you know it's a little tricky well there's like the Kentucky whiskey or whatever yeah urban where word McConnell is is from that'll do it yeah and I think is it Harley Davidson
Starting point is 00:32:40 Wisconsin yeah yeah all right who. Less. Saw that coming. Yeah. Like, I'm not even running anymore. You know what? Between that and everything. I'm fucking out of here. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, just remember,
Starting point is 00:32:53 like, this is no doubt a very complicated situation, but it's one that the president got himself into while saying, a trade war is going to be very easy to win. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:03 Trade wars are very easy. So this is the kind of continuing problem, is that he just cannot conceive of the complexity of very complex situations. He's throwing a rock and China has snipers. Yeah, and this new confident Trump is, I'm going to do something with my chest out, then the world is going to respond or reality responds, and then I'm going to immediately have to fall back.
Starting point is 00:33:24 Just like today when everyone was like, uh, what about you telling Russia to prepare for a missile attack? He's like, I didn't say when it could be very soon. It could be not very soon. And you're like, okay,
Starting point is 00:33:33 asshole. Like fucking everything is like, yeah, a trade war is easy to win. And then like, there's some blowback. Okay. Can we get back in TPP?
Starting point is 00:33:41 I've heard Trump supporters saying, ah, see, he's unpredictable, which is good. That's one way to look at it, and it can be good in very certain situations, but not just constant, absolute chaos. That's the exact strategy that Nixon used to win Vietnam. Right. It's the madman theory.
Starting point is 00:34:02 It's like, oh, we don't know. Is he going to use all these things i heard it compared to the madman theory and even there they were like the madman theory was like a single isolated situation where he like started acting erratically and everyone's like wait what the fuck like this is crazy whereas the baseline right now with america and america's policy is just complete and utter chaos right i think in way, though, like it's the opposite of Mad Men theory, whereas like Trump is so predictable based on everything that they've seen on his tweets. Like he's basically giving a like psychological evaluation of himself based on his moods.
Starting point is 00:34:37 And like they know exactly how he's going to react based on what is on Fox and Friends that morning. Right. And he's like, oh, they just saw a caravan of Hondurans walking through and they said that's bad. Guess what he's against now? Right. Right.
Starting point is 00:34:51 It's, I wonder, you know, like we were talking, we didn't bring it up on the show, but Jack, you were talking about how like Facebook was able to like use posting and likes to figure out if someone was going to have like some kind of psychological episode. Right. Like I feel like Trump is as transparent
Starting point is 00:35:04 that you could probably put his tweets through some sort of algorithmic, you know, analysis or whatever and be like, oh, you can actually completely fill out the profile because he is so transparent despite this unpredictability, quote unquote. He's just impulsive. Right. And then eventually has to like deal with a bunch of like rational human beings being like, what the fuck are you doing?
Starting point is 00:35:25 Right. Well, now that he's purging them, those would be like, yeah, dude, that was sick. Right. I mean, that is the thing is that, uh, I think, you know, 60% of the country is like, okay, this is predictably irrational. And then a big portion of the country is like, see, he's the man on our toes. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:49 He's like a fucking plastic bag in the wind, man. I know where i get him here's what i understood like all of trump's goods are made in china right like why doesn't china just say like all right well like we just don't make your goods anymore try making them well that's the thing that's why trump even these tariffs were half-assed because if he was really want to do it with his chest out he could have put tariffs on shit like shoes and clothing and trinkets, which are like most of the majority of the products we have in our fucking stores. Right. Oh, but, you know, don't worry. That would fuck up Ivanka's business.
Starting point is 00:36:14 Right. So we can't do that on the shoes, baby, you know, because we can't fuck up the family business. But we don't sell aluminum. Exactly. I bet, like, yeah, for sure if they went after specifically Ivanka's goods or whatever, they would just win right there. Yeah. Those kinds of goods. Yeah. Like, you know what? Actually, we're going to tax that shit from the China side. Like, yeah, how are you going to do this? So a slightly lower stakes, but more cartoonish example of Trump
Starting point is 00:36:40 underestimating the intelligence of literally everyone around him, and in this case, being correct. So there's this New York Post story that maybe moved some of the most copies that any New York Post headline has ever moved, where Marla Maples, President Trump's former wife, one of his former wives- Mother of Tiffany. Yeah, Tiffany's mother. The fun one. Came out and said, Trump is the best sex I've ever had. And that was blasted across the front page of the wildly conservative New York Post. With the smug ass Donald Trump.
Starting point is 00:37:16 The cover is so funny because he's just like, yeah, in big New York Post style, best sex ever had. And he's just grinning Trump next to it. Right. Not even Marla Maples. Right. So apparently the editor from that time has come out and said, you know, we actually
Starting point is 00:37:33 mostly thought that that was just Trump impersonating Marla Maples, impersonating his wife, which is a thing that he's been known to do. And actually, I think we have audio of him on a phone conversation with a different reporter where he is playing the role of his spokesman. John Miller, I think. John Miller, who is a recurring Trump spokesman who nobody can find any record of existing, but he would call up reporters and be like, yeah, I'm John Miller. I want to talk to you on behalf of Donald Trump.
Starting point is 00:38:10 The best is that he doesn't even try and do a voice. Yeah. I mean, maybe he's trying to do a voice. Or in his head, but if you were anyone who knew Donald Trump, you'd be like, yeah, okay, John Miller, how can I help you? So let's hear some clips of John Miller talking to a reporter. He gets called by everybody. He gets called by everybody. He gets called by everybody in the book in terms of women.
Starting point is 00:38:30 I know. Well, he gets called by a lot of people. Yeah. And what about, I mean, this is Carla Brady. How important is she right now? I think it's somebody that, you know, she's beautiful. I saw her once quickly, and she's beautiful and all. Somebody that, you know, she's a beautiful, I saw her once quickly, and she's beautiful and all, but I think that he's got an all-open field, really.
Starting point is 00:38:56 And actresses, people that you write about, just call to see if they can go out with him and thank them. I think that, I mean, he... He has a girlfriend. She lives in Canada, but she calls all the time. You wouldn't meet her because she lives out there. She's beautiful. She's beautiful. She's a model. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:10 Oh, man. That time-honored classic lie from junior high, the girlfriend in the other state. Oh, yeah. So why did he get away with this just doing voices? And the New York Post took him at his word. So the New York Post is a conservative tabloid. And we're finding out more and more that a big part of the Trump mythos is that he has good connections in the tabloid industry. And that seems to be very similar to the way that the New York Post got the quote the quote for their cover right because at the time this
Starting point is 00:39:46 is like in 1990 he was trying to divorce ivana trump uh and she was i guess regularly like just owning him in the tabloid like in the comms war about their divorce and so one day like something something came out he calls the new york post like editor of the new york post and this is a quote he says those fucking bitches i want a front page, and this is a quote. He says, those fucking bitches. I want a front page story tomorrow. This is what they're saying. It was an actual quote from him. And the editor told him, said the only way to get on the front page is if it has to do with sex, money, murder.
Starting point is 00:40:16 And he briefly considered murdering somebody. Not sex, money, murder. Let's bring back the Central Park Five. Yeah. Not the New York Blood Gang. Sex, money, murder. But those three topics. So Trump said, oh, well, you know, Marla says I'm like the best sex she's ever had. And the editor responded, well, do you have anyone that can corroborate this?
Starting point is 00:40:30 And so he's on the phone. He just is like, apparently this is how the conversation goes. He goes, hey, Marla, tell them about how you always say I'm the best at sex. Yes, Donald. Did you hear that? You see? So she said that and you should print that. And retrospectively, they're like, yeah, we always were a little doobie. Yes, Donald. Did you hear that? You see? So she said that and you should print that.
Starting point is 00:40:45 And they did. And retrospectively, they're like, yeah, we always were a little dubious about who may have been actually saying that on the back of the phone. Right. But, you know, when he has to change the narrative, he knows how to take his destiny into his own hands and just create realities. He finds people even dumber than him. Right. Gets them to report trash. Yeah. Or who are prone to being friendly dumber than him. Right. Gets them to report trash. Yeah. Or who are prone to being friendly to people like him.
Starting point is 00:41:10 The New York Post is just released a report saying that the National Enquirer paid $30,000 to kill a story about Trump having an illegitimate kid. anything saying that he did actually have an illegitimate kid, just that the National Enquirer paid $30,000 for that story and then just buried it, never published it. And this is a big deal because it establishes, you know, we've already seen that this company would do this for Trump with other stories of him having affairs. You know, they would do a catch and kill where they pay $80,000 for a story and then just completely kill it. And this is, by the way,
Starting point is 00:42:13 one of the most frugal media companies out there and they're just paying money just to... So as in like they wouldn't throw money at something if there wasn't a reason to bury it. As in like they're getting something more valuable from Donald Trump to keep this out of their magazine. And this particular story, the $30,000 paid to kill the story about him having an illegitimate child is significant because it establishes a pattern of buying and burying stories that could be damaging to the president during the campaign, which is against campaign finance. I mean, if you believe Fire and Fury, Steve Bannon was like, hey, Kazowitz was like the fucking fixer, man. Like, what are there, like 100 women?
Starting point is 00:42:56 There's like that quote about there being 100. I mean, I hope that's an exaggeration. But who knows? I mean, the way this fucking guy moves, I wouldn't put it past him. It reminds me, like in the Game of Thrones story where like Robert Baratheon has like 20 illegitimate children and all the Lannisters are like just trying to go around and kill all of them.
Starting point is 00:43:15 Instead of telling the story, they go around and kill actual people that might be the heir to the throne. They don't know. Yeah. Very similar. Better safe than sorry. Yeah, we're just doing that with people who had information.
Starting point is 00:43:27 So I just want to read from the New Yorker article because it's just interesting how this ties into some of the stuff we've been talking about. On a section of our podcast you wouldn't think
Starting point is 00:43:36 would be this relevant, but we do a Bloid Watch every Friday where we look at what's on the front page of the tabloids because people are looking at that, seeing that every time they go to the grocery store. And, you know, there's wild shit being published on those front pages.
Starting point is 00:43:54 And it always seems to be about the Clintons doing bad stuff or Obama, never about Trump. And that's because almost all of those tabloids are owned by this company, American Media Inc. They're kind of like the fake news before it went to the internet. Right. It's like just the tabloid news is just whatever makeup shit bad about someone. Exactly. It's your own purpose. American Media Inc. said that they think that the catch and kill operations basically cemented a partnership between Pecker, who's the head of AMI and Trump, and that people close to President Trump had subsequently introduced Pecker to potential sources of funding. And this ties back to that random magazine tabloid about MBS,
Starting point is 00:44:45 Mohammed bin Salman. Bin Salman, the crown prince. Yeah, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia. Suddenly there was just in everybody's grocery store aisle a giant tabloid about how rad that dude was. He's like, welcome to the kingdom, y'all. With no ads. Not an advertisement inside the magazine.
Starting point is 00:45:05 Really? Yeah, that's rare for any for any publication should raise a red flag right but one of the ami sources told the new yorker pecker's not going to take thirty thousand dollars from company funds to shut down a potentially damaging story uh without making sure it got back to him so he could get credit and then uh in 2017 his company began acquiring new publications, including Us Weekly, a men's journal. And this was right around the time that he started becoming friends with MBS and publishing stories friendly to MBS. So they think that basically MBS helped him fund those purchases
Starting point is 00:45:40 of those new magazines. Oh, wow. And it's all just a big jerk-off. You get more magazines, I get more press coverage. Yeah. So Trump, MBS. Yo, hey, if Mohammed bin Salman, you know, I'm working on a couple magazines too. Right.
Starting point is 00:45:57 It's called Getting High with Fidget Spinners if no ads needed. But it's funny. I mean, it's good to have someone like David Pecker. You know, it's like when, didn't Nike like scrub every photo of A-Rod's man boobs from his steroid induced like gynecomastia he got? Oh, is that right? You can't find a picture of it on the internet anymore. Like it's very hard to find like photos of a shirtless A-Rod during that time. Wow. Because Nike was like, no, no, no, no, no. We do not need this out. That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. All right, we're going to take a quick break.
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Starting point is 00:50:03 Listen to the Amber and Lacey, Lacey and Amber show on Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. Yeah, we were just talking about MBS is a whole different storyline that we'll get to later on. But he's this dude who was like swept to power in Saudi Arabia and has interesting relationships with the Trump clan and the Trump criminal empire. But he did literally say that Kushner was, quote, in his pocket. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:43 That's the kind of shit we're dealing with. And we'll get into that later. Yeah. So what's going on in the world of baseball miles I mean look I wanted to bring this story up because I'm really excited about Shohei Otani the Japanese baseball player who is fucking doing great uh and just really fun to watch because he's he can pitch he can hit he's throwingit fastballs. And there was an article that just popped up in Wired about how the fastball has probably hit peak velocity and probably has for the last 80 years. Like, no one has actually thrown a ball faster than a certain amount. And so they're saying that a decade ago, Major League pitchers threw a grand total of just 196 triple-digit fastballs in a single season. grand total of just 196 triple digit fastballs in a single season. Last year, 40 pitchers collectively threw 1,017 triple digit fastballs in the season. And so what they're saying is like,
Starting point is 00:51:32 sure, we're seeing more people being able to throw 100 plus mile an hour fastballs, but the velocity hasn't changed. It's just the number of people who have gotten to that level has. And because right now, I think the current recorded fastest pitch i think is from aroldis chapman was like 105 back in 2010 but they were saying that you know like nolan ryan was actually the first pitcher to be tracked by radar and his like fastball i think the fastest one they got was like 100.8 but back then they were measuring 100.8 miles per hour and that ain't shit back then they were measuring 100.8 miles per hour. And that ain't shit. Back then they were measuring that was the speed right before it crosses the plate. Whereas like Aroldis Chapman's was taken as it was leaving his hand. So they were saying that if you sort of reverse engineer this, those sort of numbers that
Starting point is 00:52:17 Nolan Ryan might have been throwing fastballs up upwards of 108 miles per hour. And they said they're even pictures from the 50s and 20s that they suspect probably had the same ability. So we're starting to see that our bodies are reaching a certain, I guess, peak level because, and I think the other thing they're doing is connecting this, like sort of a lot of the strain from fastball pitching to the huge jump in number of Tommy John surgeries people are getting. And if you don't know what Tommy John surgery is,
Starting point is 00:52:42 that's when a tendon in your elbow tears and surgeons replace it with a fresh one from your wrist or your forearm or your hamstring and they do all kinds of shit to reinforce that so that's not necessarily like making people faster pitchers but it's just giving them more years
Starting point is 00:52:58 yeah exactly it's longevity and they're saying because the amount of torque you're putting on your shoulder is like holding 5 12 pound bowling balls, like 60 pounds, like at its most intense moment. And that's just our bodies is, you know, not go for it. Yeah. So you can only throw a five ounce sphere about one hundred five miles. Yeah. Which kind of bums me out because I was always hoping, you know, people are running faster, jumping higher. You'd think that logic would apply to baseball. But it's interesting interesting to see that way maybe there is a limit to something like this yeah i guess that's
Starting point is 00:53:28 what's interesting about baseball or that's something baseball has that the other sports don't like basketball and football have gotten better faster stronger like more visibly you know impressive just in our lifetime like you can see see a change from when Jordan was playing versus when LeBron was playing. Right. In fact, there's an amazing super cut. Did you see that?
Starting point is 00:53:50 Yes. Of like Jordan playing against people and just the shitty defense that he faced. Oh, really? Right. And they're just like, LeBron would fucking destroy these people.
Starting point is 00:54:00 Cause Jordan's like scoring on like three white dudes who like look like me and are just, you know, basketball players weren't the physical specimens yeah yeah uh but baseball is you know and i guess this is why people you know legislated the shit out of the whole steroid thing is because baseball you can basically watch somebody today and think about how he compares statistically to the people who are playing in the 20s. And, you know, obviously they were working with a more limited talent pool
Starting point is 00:54:33 because it was a white-only sport back then. And a bunch of white fatties. Right. What position did you play, Jono? I was outfield. Did you know a lot of guys who were fucking up their arms from trying to throw the heat? I mean, I threw out my arms several times. Not like in a way of tearing ligaments or anything like that.
Starting point is 00:54:52 But yeah, it's not a natural motion. So you're definitely putting undue strain on your ligaments. Right. Because I've seen other people that have been pitching coaches who are trying to do other pitching motions that are less sort of strenuous on your body but look i'm just still holding out for some freak to be able to throw like 120 mile an hour fastball right a freak is going to be a cyborg yeah right exactly and then we're just playing base wars right old video game and it's just robots playing actually and we're not even dealing with humans if you guys don't think there
Starting point is 00:55:21 are cyborgs in the mlb already you're fool fooling yourself. Okay, here we go. Who? Mike Stanton? I can't get into this. I mean, Giancarlo Stanton? The MLB is always watching. So I want to get into the Simpsons controversy that is mostly over now. So the Simpsons addressed the complaint that Hari Kondabolu had in the problem with Apu in a way that wasn't great. Yeah, because the documentary is about sort of the portrayal of Apu and sort of like the larger sort of cultural ramifications of sort of representation like that, right? Right. And there's moments where different comedians, like I think Aziz Ansari and like a bunch of different comedians talk about how they were called a poo on the playground growing up.
Starting point is 00:56:06 Like it's a poo was used to tease them. So like that's why. You're a stereotypical version of your race. Right. Exactly. And so the Simpsons responded to this with this weird like Lisa monologue about how like we can't judge things from the past against like modern standards. And then like stared at the camera for a moment.
Starting point is 00:56:31 It was, it was very strange and totally insufficient, but something that I didn't realize is that Hank Azaria apparently claims that the script for the first appearance of a poo suggested that he should do like a cartoonish accent. Oh, like the most exaggerated ethnic accent. Right. To like take it off of him. And so back at Cracked, I interviewed two of the original Simpsons writers about the olden days. And one of their like fun stories about how, you know,
Starting point is 00:57:01 things are just found in the room and not the way you planned it was that Mike Reese was the original writer who, Jono, you were saying you heard speak. Yeah, he was the original staff writer of The Simpsons and I saw him speak in my freshman year of college about The Simpsons. It was very cool. Yeah, and he, as his bonus, got 1% of The Simpsons. So he's doing all right. Wow. But he, as his bonus, got 1% of the Simpsons. So he's doing all right.
Starting point is 00:57:26 But he said that the first appearance of Apu was in a script that he wrote, and he specifically had the note, do not do an Indian accent for this 7-Eleven guy. Right. Quickie mark. Right. Quickie mark. Because that would be hacky and offensive. And sure enough, during the table read, Hank Azaria did the Apu that we know today. And everyone laughed because, you know, that's just a cheap, easy laugh. Because ignorance. Right. And so I don't know Hank Azaria.
Starting point is 00:58:01 Yeah, trying to pass the buck on that one. It seems like because he is such a talented voice actor, he wanted to showcase his range. Put a little spin on it. Otherwise, just like a version of Moe he was going to do. Yeah, exactly. It's like if Jim Carrey got the note, just like, this pet detective you're playing,
Starting point is 00:58:17 he's like a very like moblin, classic noir detective who doesn't, he's like very subdued. Possibly Poirot-like. Yeah, so he's like very possibly Poirot yeah so she's like obviously this guy is very serious about the pets
Starting point is 00:58:29 he's not wacky at all right he's just like what well yeah and it's weird because Simpsons writing
Starting point is 00:58:35 was so good for a long time and this is like such a lame way to address a legitimate grievance people have about the legacy
Starting point is 00:58:43 of this character yeah and just be like oh political, political correctness, huh? Right. Was essentially how you could distill the response. Yeah. It was them shrugging their shoulders like, whatever. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:53 That was their response. It's like you're smart enough to have a reasonable answer and maybe make laughs too and not just be like, guys, shut up. Right. It's a complaint that like Dennis Miller would be on board with. Oh, yeah. PC police. Right. It's a complaint that like Dennis Miller would be on board with. Oh yeah. PC police. I think the only way that Simpsons can make it up to us now
Starting point is 00:59:10 is to end 15 years ago. Get the ban in time machine. Exactly. All the seasons after 12 are under executive privilege and can no longer be streamed. Is 12 your line? I would say like, I mean, I stopped watching or kind of disengaged after like season 11, I want to say.
Starting point is 00:59:30 Yeah, that's when, yeah. And then I have- After 2000, it's- Yeah, I have it like in little bits of memories of other episodes, but like I can quote everything I think up to 11 or like 10. Yeah, the canon seasons. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:59:43 Yeah, I still ride, I think I go a little later than most people. Really? Yeah, I think like 13, 14, 12 are good seasons. I mean, it's a slow progression. I mean, they don't drop off the cliff immediately, but they just have less and less classic episodes. Well, a lot of it also coincides with my drinking and drug use as a kid too. Because on Sundays, I would be home to watch The Simpsons.
Starting point is 01:00:05 Yeah. And then like as seasons 12, 13, I'm out of school and I'm just doing whatever the fuck I wanted. So I wasn't like, hey, you got to be home on Sunday night. Yeah. And that had a lot to do with it too.
Starting point is 01:00:15 Yeah. And I wasn't cool. Good point, Miles. All right. So, and then finally just- Just sitting in like your Simpsons jammies in front of the TV like, here we go, Sunday.
Starting point is 01:00:28 Hi, Simpsons, my only friends. And then finally, I just want to go out on a study that came out about why we haven't found aliens, why we haven't seen aliens or made official first contact. And the theory is basically that they might be in a form that we're not expecting which isn't like that profound of a that was a study to say that yeah so one thing they did to sort of back up this idea was they had people look at aerial maps to try and like identify these different things on an aerial map but they also put like actual photographs of gorillas on the aerial map like kind of small but you know so plainly visible and because people weren't looking for like a photograph
Starting point is 01:01:21 right it wasn't registering like nobody saw the gorillas and so their idea is like if the thing you see is not what you're looking for they call it like a photograph. Oh, right, it wasn't registering. Like nobody saw the gorillas. And so their idea is like, if the thing you see is not what you're looking for, they call it inattentional blindness. Right. And they think that a similar phenomenon might be happening with astronomers and the scientific community on a larger scale.
Starting point is 01:01:39 But, you know, we have been talking about the fact that there are all these examples of UFOs that haven't been explained, that, you know that there used to be a part of the Pentagon that was dedicated to kind of investigating them. And that department stopped getting funding. And now they're like their own organization, basically the private X-Files. Led by Tom DeLonge. Right. From Blink-182. Weirdly, partially funded by Tom DeLonge from Blink-Files. Yeah. Led by Tom DeLonge. Right. From Blink-182.
Starting point is 01:02:05 Weirdly, partially funded by Tom DeLonge from Blink-182. Wow. But yeah, I don't know. I think it could be a combination of things. Like we have seen these weird things. Like the thing that, the most compelling video that we saw
Starting point is 01:02:20 was of a tic-tac shaped thing just like speeding across the horizon right and these pilots are like what the like nothing can move at that speed and the way that that's moving so i mean they saw it but i mean if something is moving in a way that like nothing we've ever seen could move then you know it could be around us and you know the rest of us might not see it. It could be the angels in the outfield. Right. Oh, wow. Yes, go on.
Starting point is 01:02:48 Yeah, I mean, no one could see them except for the people who are in tuned. You think that's why the Sixers are doing so well? Definitely. They got aliens around them? Yeah. That's the process that we're trusting? I think they're wearing a cursed pair of sneakers. I think Ben Simmons has.
Starting point is 01:03:04 Like Mike. Yeah, those OG Mike sneakers. I think Ben Simmons has. Like Mike. Yeah, those OG Mike sneakers. It just also happened to make him 7'1". Yeah, exactly. A 7'1 point guard. I guess that helps. But yeah, I mean, the aliens, it's more than UFOs. I hope that it's just China and Russia are so ahead of us.
Starting point is 01:03:20 And that's how dumb we are. Or it's Wakanda. Yeah, or Wakanda. Okay. Whoa, Jono. Okay, way to get me on board with this theory i know but uh either one i almost prefer that it's that america is so far behind like technology i mean like the bullet trains that like they have in asia are vastly superior to our like amtrak yeah as you can tell you and i think also it's a function of us not wanting to spend money to implement this kind of technology.
Starting point is 01:03:46 You know what? I would actually think that technology would be the way to detect them. You're talking about if you're not looking for it, you're not going to be able to see it. I think the most famous example I've heard of that is when Columbus sailed to America or the West Indies, no one on those islands would have even thought to look for something on the horizon. So they didn't even see him coming until he was on their island right right and and so the uh like if if americans or whoever humans are looking for aliens using their plain eyeballs and what they assume would be the thing right you're not gonna do it but if you put ai in charge of finding aliens alan
Starting point is 01:04:20 iverson exactly he's gonna cross them over they'll be intimidated. They'll go right back to wherever they came from. They'll go right back to Virginia. Yeah. So it would be something like where you'd have to put a computer program. It was like any anomaly. Right. And the computer would find the little gorilla, essentially. Right.
Starting point is 01:04:35 In the skyline. Yeah. Are we going to have to trust Skynet to find our aliens? But that's the thing. If we put the AI in charge of it, they'll just team up with the aliens to defeat us. Like our two greatest enemies. The AI's like, look, bro, I know what you're up to, aliens, but look, I got a deal for you. Why don't we team up and fuck
Starting point is 01:04:50 these idiot humans up? Boom. Skynet. Collusion. Yeah, there it is. AI alien collusion. It looks like this study was conducted by every stoned college freshman ever. What if they're like not even people, man?
Starting point is 01:05:06 What if they're like a gas, bro? They're not like humanoids, bro. Just waves, man. Hey, did you see Arrival? Did you think those aliens looked whack or cool? You know what I mean? I thought they were cool because it's not like what I thought they would be.
Starting point is 01:05:19 Right. I did not expect them to be Jodie Foster's dad. Well, even like the Planet Earth thing, like they use so many different drones to film these animals, and the animals don't know that we're there. Right, exactly. Yeah, that's interesting,
Starting point is 01:05:32 because the way they get them used to it is like from birth, the animals have this annoying, loud motor next to them. Maybe we were all born next to aliens, and they just got us accustomed to seeing them. Who knows? Maybe if they throw over 105 miles per hour, that's how we're going to tell.
Starting point is 01:05:50 Exactly. This guy's not human. Yeah. Tawny's definitely an alien, right? We can all agree on that. The way the INS looks at him, yes, he is an alien. That's right. Jono, it has been a pleasure as always having you.
Starting point is 01:06:04 Where can people find you? On Twitter, at Jono it has been a pleasure as always having you where can people find you on Twitter at Jono Zalay and pretty much at Jono Zalay on every form of social media if you haven't deleted it yet
Starting point is 01:06:13 right yeah but yeah pretty easy to find in general because of my ridiculous name yes
Starting point is 01:06:20 wonderful J-O-N-O J-O-N-O and I should have said this up top but people might have seen you I I guess, earlier this year when you went viral for your driver's license pictures.
Starting point is 01:06:32 The most press I've ever had, which is very much an indictment of my career and society. Yeah. I have a driver's license running gag with the DMV where I just do characters every time I get a new driver's license. And this time I dyed my hair or bleached it and then also did the tips bright red and then put them into double Mohawk. Yeah. So I looked very much like the lead singer of the prodigy and then had like
Starting point is 01:06:54 several accessories, like a dog collar with spikes on it and a fake earring and nose rings and dangly stuff. So yeah, it's online. You can Google DMV driver or driver's license, troll, whatever. Yeah. Anything like like that you'll find it yeah you can see all the silly pictures i've had as a on my government identifications i'm sure this is like the question good morning america would
Starting point is 01:07:16 ask you but uh like have you ever like been pulled over and the cop looks at it and oh yeah i mean like anytime i would have noticed in my this is like a field study of like how people look at ids right like most people like at a bar when they check my id don't even look at my picture they look at the date and they're like yeah you're over 21 or whatever right um but people that are actually like it's their job to verify that this is you like tsa uh cops stuff like that they will definitely double take. Right. They will just be like, weird face, weird face. Most of them have a pretty decent sense of humor about it actually, but there's the occasional,
Starting point is 01:07:52 let me see a second form of ID scrutiny, like who is this asshole? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially because right now you got a pretty normal look going on, you got the mustache rocking, and they're like, I'm sorry. I did have to have like blonde tips for too long that I was comfortable with. So this is
Starting point is 01:08:07 actually like dyed back brown. Oh. Because I have natural brown hair, but I had to use like a Just For Men. Because I just had too many months in a hat. It looks so natural, no one can tell. Just For Men. This show is not brought to you by Just For Men also. But unless you work for them, you want to
Starting point is 01:08:23 slide us some dollars. I'm'm ready i'm not just a client i'm an advertiser yes miles where can people find you you can find me actually on a new episode of the bechdel cast yes jamie loftus and caitlin gerante's fucking amazing podcast where they talk about movies uh i got to sit down with them and we record an episode about the rock uh so it's a great episode. You're going to hear, I mean, it's me, Jamie, Caitlin doing what they do. But plus me, you'll love it. So check out the new episode of the Bechdelcast.
Starting point is 01:08:52 And if you're looking for me on Twitter and Instagram, well, then that's just at MilesOfGrey. You can find me at Jack underscore O'Brien on Twitter. You can find us at Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. Footnotes! We link off to the sources of the information in today's episode. Miles.
Starting point is 01:09:17 Yes. What are we going to ride out on today? You know, look, I don't assume that everyone that listens to The Daily Zeitgeist knows about hip-hop and knows about the songs you must know. But if you dig the music, you're going I don't assume that everyone that listens to the Daily Zeitgeist knows about hip hop and knows about the songs you must know. But if you dig the music, you're going to dig today's suggestion based off the AKA I got today, Run In by The Farside. Now, Farside is one of the great rap groups on the West Coast. And, you know, they've had some great production over the years. This in particular, you know, a lot of people know them for...
Starting point is 01:09:43 Boop, boop, boop. She keeps on passing me by. This in particular, you know, a lot of people know them for But this is more like a deep cut. This is the Farside Runnin' produced by J Dilla. And one of the reasons I also bring this up is because I love sample-based hip-hop and I love Brazilian music. I like, you know, Bossa Nova and all that. And this is just, it also samples a great Stan Getz track from back in the day, which is called Saudade Vem Co Handel. And yes, you can critique me on my Portuguese.
Starting point is 01:10:14 But yes, we will also link to that track too, because guys, a lot of this music is always, it has its roots back to even greater music. So please enjoy. All right. We're going to ride out on that. We will be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast. Talk to you guys music. So please enjoy. All right. We're going to ride out on that. We will be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast.
Starting point is 01:10:27 Talk to you guys then. Bye. Bye. Bye. Can't keep running away Can't keep running away Can't keep running away Can't keep running away I must have been on some occasions
Starting point is 01:11:06 I went out like a punk in a trunk Or a sucker or something to that effect Respect I used to never get Cause all I got was upset When niggas used to be like And try to sweat a nigga like the lip For no reason at all I carry cocker diggers
Starting point is 01:11:19 Roll a C's in my face Down the hall I'm kicking it in the back Of the school eating chicken at three Wondering why is everybody always pickin' on me? I tried to talk and tell him, chill, I didn't know if the two deserved this But when it didn't work, I wasn't scared, just real nervous and unprepared To do this rap, no doubt My pappy never told me how to knock a nigga out
Starting point is 01:11:36 But now we're 95, but we're survivors, a man on my own Fuck around with fat lip, yeah, shit get blown I'm not tryin' to show no macho or show But when it's on, when it's on, then it's on Can't keep running away One, two, shoeless in here There comes a time in every man's life When he's gotta handle shit up on his own Can't depend on friends to help you in a squeeze
Starting point is 01:12:20 Please, they got problems of their own Therefore they count on seven chicken shits Don't get to heaven till they face these fears And these fears don't just diggy-tag Back up in high school, I played it cool Just so some real shit won't get full-blown Being where I'm from, they let the smoke come quicker Than an evil redneck can link to helpless color figure
Starting point is 01:12:37 And as a victim, I invented low-key To the keyhole itself got lower than me So I stood up and let my free form fall free Said I'm gonna get something before they knockin' out me I don't sweat it, I let the bullshit blow in the breeze In other words, just to freeze Can't keep runnin' away Can't keep runnin' away
Starting point is 01:12:59 Can't keep runnin' away Can't keep running away Can't keep running away It's 1995 and now that I'm older Stress weighs on my shoulders, heavy as boulders But I told y'all, until the day that I die I still will be a soldier That's all I told ya, that's all I showed ya That's all I told ya
Starting point is 01:13:36 And all my celebrity is ripped of my sanity, can it be? That I'm a celebrity Now don't be wishing to'm switching any positions with me Cause when you in my position it ain't never easy To do any type of maintaining Cause all the gaming and training From entertaining is hella straining But I can't keep running I just gotta keep keening
Starting point is 01:13:57 Can't keep running away Can't keep running away Can't keep running away Can't keep running away Can't keep running away Can't keep running away Can't keep running away Thank you. I have no doubt that you'll be here I have no doubt that you'll be here
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