The Daily Zeitgeist - TV Star Vs Big Librarian, Can Saving Earth Be Fun? 05.18.23

Episode Date: May 18, 2023

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National HIV Vaccine Awareness Day National Visit Your Relatives Day HIV Vaccine Awareness Day yeah raising awareness that there is one or just Visit your relatives, Dave. HIV vaccine awareness stuff. Yeah. Raising awareness. That there is one?

Or just the... Who work together to find. Oh, okay. Got it. A safe. I like it. And vaccine. Yes. You know, it's all about research.

It's all about research. Do that research. All right. Well, my name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. We're going down, down in the second played round. And buddy, we're going down, down in the second played round. And, buddy, we're going down, sadly. That is courtesy of May Curie. Oh, yeah.

On the Discord. May Curie. Who said, I don't know enough about sports to take it further. But Jack talked about his sad NBA. Made me think of sugar. We're going down. His sad NBA is me think of Sugar We're Going Down. His sad NBA is my favorite description.

Are you talking about his sad NBA? Oh, man. Yeah. Yeah. I'm over it. You know, it's one of those breakups that we're just, we've tried too many times. Moving along. And I'm thrilled to be joined, joined as always by my co-host, Mr.

Miles Gray. Miles Gray, a.k.a. Fresh out of the deep fryer. Reaching temps that no one's seen. Fresh out the deep fryer Straight to the skin of your preteen Shout out to Rayzak on the Discord

Because, yeah, we're talking about those McDonald's nuggies Burning that child Yeah, four is, I guess, definitely preteen They're four-year-olds It's you gotta rhyme with no one's seen you know what are you gonna say preschool attendee i don't know i'm not here to workshop but i like that i like the original yeah i just refer to my kids as pre-teens no me too my baby and seven oh you got a kid yeah pre-teen really? Three and a half months. There you go.

Hey, it's technically true. Why do you want to know so much about my kid? Who's this guy? What are you, the cops? Get the fuck out of here. What are you, a fucking cop? What are you, a fucking cop? Asking about my kid? What his real age is? Don't worry, he's a preteen.

Move on. Miles, we are thrilled to be joined by an award-winning writer investigative journalist podcaster yes who you know from her peabody nominated work on this land her investigative climate podcast drilled please welcome back to the show on a four-year cycle it's amy westervelt thank you so much for that amazing intro but before we started recording we were talking about you were last on may 22nd 2019 crazy yeah yeah i can't believe it back you were like the olympics and presidential elections just every four years. And the World Cup. Drop some Westervelt on our ass.

Exactly. What's up? Hey, catch us up in the last four years. So things are good, right? Things have gone well? What's happened lately? I don't know. Anything new?

Oh, my God. Well, I guess the big new thing is that I live in Costa Rica now. Oh, shit. Pura vida. Yeah, man. Pura vida. Wait, where are you in CR? Guanacaste.

Oh, Guanacaste. Okay. Yeah. On the Pacific Coast. It's nice. Yes. I actually got married there. You did?

Where? Yeah. In Jaco. Oh, Jaco is really nice, too. In Punta Arenas. Nice. Yeah, in Acuanacaste. Nice.

In Punta Arenas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because my aunt is Costa Rican. So I've been going there since I was a kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've got a tica tia? Yeah, my tica tia. Shout out, Ruth.

Yeah. But she's from Limon. She's from the Atlantic side, you know, where the Black people are at. I still haven't been to Limon yet. I really want to go. Oh, it's dope. It's dope. It's so amazing. And the history is so interesting. And yeah, I just yeah, I want to go. Okay. Yes. Living there. Do you feel like you are 60% less stressed out? Yes.

Is that like that's how I feel every time I leave America. Yeah. Like I work on all the same stuff. I'm still immersed in all of the like crazy politics and climate stuff and all of it. But it's like the context really helps. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Especially in a country too, that is like trying to do right by their own and like part patch of earth. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Yeah. do right by their own and like part patch of earth you know what i mean yeah yeah definitely definitely yeah like my kids are in school here and they had they had like they had the day off a few months ago for the day that they celebrate getting rid of their military so they'd have money to pay for like health care and education and i love this place never mind i'm not i'm no longer

on board. No military. They'll send a doctor to you if you live in a remote place. They'll be like, hey, you doing all right? Yeah, what are they, coming to my house to get my guns, Miles? Come on, man. To force a vaccine on my throat? You think I'm going to fall for that shit, Jack? Get out of here.

Wow, that sounds nice. That sounds really nice. Like, I dream of leaving the U.S. And then part of me is like, yeah, but then you in college and like I just remember getting back and just like the ambient stress level of everybody in line at the airport oh yeah just like you can just like sense this yes silent invisible just like anger and energy and yeah totally I know like the longer I go without going back to the like when i when i have been here for like you know five or six months without going back to the u.s and i go back it's really noticeable it's really like oh my god why is everyone such an asshole to each other yes

so mean to each other so mean to each other i think it's just a reflection like when you're in a place where the government is actively telling you like we don't give a fuck about you or what happens to you everyone's just like fuck versus if there's just some semblance of like you know community or responsibility towards each other that's right just you're laid back a couple clicks it might not be as lit like with the consumer goods as maybe the u.s absolutely yeah that's like the biggest thing is you cannot like i went to okay so last year i was in guyana reporting a story and i uh hung out with this guy who's a like chef he you know used to live in new york for years and years and was from guyana moved back home and he and i were talking about the u.s

and he's like do you miss it like you've been gone for a while now. Do you miss anything about the U S? And I was like, you know, the only thing I miss sometimes is the, the way that America like makes it extremely easy to participate in capitalism. Right. Right. Like occasionally, yes. Like that convenience is missed, but otherwise not really. I mean, it's, it's, um, but yeah, I it's you know everybody is is kind of having put in the position of having to fight for scraps and it leads to yeah this really competitive

you know individualistic yeah that is like not healthy for any of us no i mean you gotta hustle to keep your health care that's right that does something to your central nervous system as a human being yeah but yeah yeah the the retail therapy is real like yes there's that scene in white noise like there's a scene in white noise where like the family just goes to the grocery store to like feel whole again look at the colors and like let them wash over them. And that is real to me. I love a trip to the grocery store. In Costa Rica, you go to Maso Menos and get it in there. Maso Menos.

Exactly. Maso Menos, Mega Super, whatever it is, go get it. They got it. They got it. But you can get really good food stuff here. I don't know. Whatever.

And yeah, you you just after a while even with my kids like i have my kids are seven and ten also preteens and um actual preteens yeah oh i think my three and a half month year old you know three and a half month year old is welcome my three and a half month year old also did you hear how judgy she was when she said actual our preteens really leaning in comparison to our preteens? Our preteens? Really leaning to actual. In comparison to our preteens? That's so weird. Your six and four preteens?

But you were saying, sorry. The first month or something, they were like, can't we just order it on Amazon and have it delivered tomorrow? And I'm like, yeah, not a thing here, guys. Sorry, they're used to it. But now it's like they don't, it doesn't come up. How old were they when you guys moved they were uh five and eight damn all right i still got time i could do it yeah it's quite easy to immigrate to costa rica i just put that out there there's a lot they

make it very easy in lots of different ways yeah so yeah yeah and look in the in pura vida you know that's the totally it you live that shit out there and it's funny too like every do i used to like back when i was like years ago my friends would be like oh can i go to costa rica like when you go i want to go with you every person that comes to me ruined they're ruined after i know i went to like i had to go to a conference uh last month in in the u.s and like i was on i was on a bunch of panels one of which was actually like a panel that i organized and i went to lunch beforehand and i was like i want to walk back from lunch it's a beautiful day and i totally put a vided my ass into being like 10 minutes late for my own panel

what the fuck were you doing man and i'm like i don't know i wanted to walk after lunch oh here's something you should learn yeah you should learn about me i'm on tico time just so you know i'm sorry yeah and when you were 10 minutes late for your own panel your life completely fell apart right and that was you know what irrevocable charming oh weird so that you can actually just have a good pace of life exactly yeah yeah not in my brain my brain would be like this is it this is the end of my life yeah might as well not even fucking show up all right amy we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about. We're going to talk about the 1.5 Celsius threshold of global warming, which we're going to be crossing in the coming days.

It'll be like that scene in the social network where they have the big numbers up on the board and then everybody celebrates and Mark Zuckerberg threatens to sue somebody. So we're just going to talk about the general state of climate with Amy. You know, Amy takes on the fossil fuel industry, tells difficult truths about them that they don't want told. Well, there's another David taking on Goliath by the name of Kirk Cameron, and he has decided to take on big librarian. So get ready for a sordid tale. All of that, plenty more. But first, Amy, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? Well, this morning I was looking up oil stock prices, which I feel like is very on brand. But like the less expected one from last night, which is embarrassing. I looked up how to make fried mac and cheese balls because I had a bunch of

leftover mac and cheese, which is both gross, but also delicious. Really good. Yes. So just breadcrumbs, basically? Just rolling breadcrumbs?

Okay, you roll them into balls and you freeze them. Like you roll leftovers into like little balls, freeze it, then you cover it in egg and breadcrumbs. Yeah. And then pop it in the air fryer. I'm going to need a little more cheese on that. Oh, got it, little balls, freeze it. Then you cover it in egg and breadcrumbs. Yeah.

And then pop it in the air fryer. I'm going to need a little more cheese on that. Oh, got it, got it, got it. I need a little more cheese coating that thing. Yeah, you could coat it with some cheese. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

I was thinking about that. Like, could I wrap a piece of cheese around this before I fry it? Right. Next time. Yeah. Yeah. Or use the egg as the glue that sticks the cheese to it i don't know yeah yeah and you were checking the oil stocks just to see how your polio was doing

yeah how are you doing yes yes are you diversified because i got x down i got bp shell baby i got them all so they're all there They're all there No I wanted to see If There was a really Big ruling In a Case I was following Against Exxon

And I wanted to see If It was The ruling came out Against Exxon And I wanted to see If it impacted their stock And it did

Oh Suck it Exxon That's why you weren't In Zurich this winter When I was looking For you on the slopes And I was like Where's Amy I'm like oh Must be the slopes. And I was like, where's Amy?

I'm like, oh, must be the stock price. Where is she? Ooh, excellent. God dang. Probably walking home. Ten minutes late to this skiing. What is something you think is overrated? Oh, Blue Sky.

The new social media app. No! Really? Yes. Go on. It's just old Twitter. It's old Twitter. It's 2008-ish Twitter.

And I feel like they're not doing anything that makes me think it will end up differently. So, yeah. Also, honestly, I feel like everyone should just take the opportunity to get the fuck off of social media like yeah it'll be okay it'll be okay and like we're all screwing around trying to find a cool replacement but like maybe it's just time to you know talk to people in real life touch grass as the youths like to say yeah so where do you find the strangers that you argue with do you just kind of find a stranger on the street and go up and just actually weird um weird little discovery about my corner of costa rica is that a whole bunch of really like random libertarians have moved here in the last few years including a lot of like alberta tar sands billionaires from canada so um so yes i i do come i come across strangers to argue with not on the street in in real life in my my neighborhood

sometimes yes that area is interesting because like flying out of san jose is very different than flying out of liberia oh yeah because yeah like the airport in Liberia feels like Florida yes like when I'm there I'm like all right I'm sorry where am I it's like so yeah yeah totally and then you know Tamarindo which is like the biggest kind of town outside from Liberia here is we everyone calls it Tamagringo because it is so, it's like the whitest town and yeah. Yes. Good sport fishing though.

That's what brings me down here. Great sport fishing. Yeah. So there are all these, these people and it's, I had a conversation just last week with someone who was saying they were from, they were from Alberta, Tarzan's guy. And he was like, I don't like it here because it's because of that freedom. And I was like, oh, you know what actually enables that freedom? The enormous social safety nets are a good day.

I'm like, how are you with all the vaccine passport stuff when Costa Rica was on top of that? Because they were on top of that. They were on top of it. And a bunch of those people just like couldn't leave the country for like a while because not only was Costa Rica on top of that they were on top of it and a bunch of those people just like couldn't leave the country for for like a while because not only was costa rica on top of it but also you know other countries were asking for for vaccine things too so yeah actually a bunch of those people were effectively housebound and that's the thing too they're like oh but i didn't get sick and i'm like yeah because the fucking rest of the country got vaccinated dude that's how it works right yeah anyway i think it's just safer here it's just like twitter but in real life

yeah you get to have the same arguments and then they aren't even made up people in your head while you're trying to go to sleep in the middle of the night exactly yeah what is uh what's something you think is underrated i'm so embarrassed to say this out loud birds i fucking love to watch birds go off bird queen what else amazing birds here i've heard of these things but i actually haven't so you're you've got a person who's underrating birds here i've heard of them but like i don't know i've heard a show of these birds they're little flying dinosaurs they're little flying dinosaurs how dare you yes no i yeah they're reading uh what's the book that's about like the evolution of how they became so beautiful oh i don't know yeah i weirdly i

have like i weirdly have an obsession withbs and yet know nothing about them. Like made it a point. Burbs. Burbs. That is much cuter. Oh, you heard that? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

The rise of burbs. I have an obsession with burbs. I need a t-shirt that says, I heart burbs now. Yes. Right, please. Anyway, yeah. I really like them. I like like watching them but i know almost nothing about them someone asked me like i had someone visiting the other day and i was like oh

look it's my favorite yellow bird and they're like you mean the blah blah blah i'm like i don't know what it's called it's like it's yellow yeah yeah i don't know yellow bird i don't know i love birds you know yeah and i'm picturing that conversation happening around Big Bird, by the way. You're like, I love yellow bird. And they're like, Big Bird. You're like, I don't know the technical name for it. Whatever you call him. I'm not going to hit you with a binomial nomenclature here, but I believe it's just yellow bird.

Ah, damn. My Google search, how birds got so pretty uh does not bring up the book that i was thinking of it's like the rise of birds evolution the evolution of birds by sarah hills how beauty is making science the rise of birds i'll figure it out by the end but i love that google search so it's good yeah it's all about just you know they they started it's been a steady arms race of like how to be most beautiful bird since they started evolving and it's like that like so humans won't kill them or is it some other no it's not like that's what i always assumed it was like there must be some, you know, survival of the fittest, like, kill or be killed thing to this. And it's just mating and trying to be the sexiest bird to other birds.

Amazing. Yeah. I love it. See? And it's all about, yeah, it's all about being hot. Right. And that's also why their songs are so beautiful. It has nothing to do with us.

They don't give a shit about us. I feel like you're just talking yourself into loving birds more right now no i i actually do i was i was playing playing character of a guy who's a bird hater yeah i love yeah i love birds too yeah it's the one i like with the bowerbird that builds that immaculate sex throne. Yes! The bowerbird goes around and gets all these shiny trinkets and different things. Like, hey.

It's like, hey, man. Check this out. This is an old plastic spoon. Some of the mating dances that they do, it's like four dudes will do a mating dance so that one of them can mate. And they are like elaborate. And that was my one of my favorite Planet Earth segments, too, was on the one from all the different birds and like how they were just all getting down. And then just watching like the disinterested female be like, just fly away. The man is crestfallen.

So sorry. The Evolution of Beauty, How Darwin's Forgotten Theory of Mate Choice Shapes the Animal World and Us by Richard O. Prum. Oh, wow. Didn't even have birds in the title. It has burbs.

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bummer but yeah man one and a half degrees celsius is like something that stressed me out since i first heard of like the concept you know that the earth is a degree and a half celsius warmer now than it was on the back end of the 19th century is sort of like a key indicator of potential runaway climate change which would lead to increased fires and drought and storms and heat waves and everything we've seen that has been so fucking horrific. And, you know, obviously the key number behind many climate summits and negotiations around emissions and researchers are now saying that they expect to see us pass this threshold within the next few years, like by 2027, they think it's going to happen. And they say there's still time. And that merely getting to one and a half degrees Celsius doesn't mean that

the Paris Agreement is completely futile. It would have to be sustained, a sustained sort of increase over 20 years for that to happen. But as someone who is constantly freaked the fuck out by the chances of, again, increased terrible weather events, it fills me with an impotent rage uh phrase we've been saying quite frequently on the show but yeah like amy as someone that's you're very dialed in on this and all of the machinations around uh climate change and climate denial aside from the fact that climate change denial is doing its job well how how are you feeling about this this sort of uh this news it's just it's really frustrating because I feel like, well, first of all, okay, I feel like we should say that a lot of, like a lot of the predictions around it happening in the next few years are also related to the El Nino weather stuff. So scientists are like, we'll probably cross it and then go back, which is good just to, you know, give people a very tiny sliver of a slight breath of the silver lining.

But yeah, I mean, aside from that, every single indication is that we are hurtling towards 1.5 degrees and beyond. I mean, since the Paris Climate Agreement, I don't think anyone has actually kept their commitments and we're going the opposite direction on oil and gas development. That's just the facts. So, I mean, I don't know. My personal opinion is that the international climate negotiations process has kind of been broken from the beginning.

I mean mean there were fossil fuel companies involved in that from the yeah jump i mean from you know even before the first they call them the conference of the parties cop which are these like annual global meetings where all of the leaders get together and they decide on an agreement before Before that, exactly, yeah. So before that, in 1992, there was the Rio Earth Summit, which is where they came up with the UN Framework for Climate Change

and how they were going to bring everyone together to do this. And there were oil guys all over that place. They helped to craft some of the language of the UN framing on climate change. And really with the idea of, we will voluntarily do X, Y, Z, so nobody has to regulate emissions. Nobody has to make emissions reductions mandatory, any of that. The closest that we ever got to doing something that had some real impact was probably the Kyoto Protocol in the mid-90s, which had binding emissions reductions where you had to actually, you had to actually do something.

Since then, everything's been voluntary. europe there are countries that are being sued for not regulating their oil and gas companies to keep them in line with the paris climate accord which is very interesting there was a case last year in the netherlands where a court ordered shell to like to to reduce their emissions they were like you guys actually have to reduce emissions across the board around the world from not just your own operations but also the use of your product by like 40 percent in the next 10 years or something like that so there are like things happening outside of the the global kind of negotiations but i don't know i just i feel like um i kind of think it's time you know to just kick the fossil fuel industry out of that whole process they've been there the whole time um you know

we're not getting any closer to actually doing something and and you know next year's cop is going to be held by the united arab emirates and is like jesus christ the most fossil fueled Arab Emirates and is like the most fossil fueled of these events to have happened. So it's getting worse now. It's covered like it's a solution, like it's a possible solution every year

and the people who are on the ground are like, it's a oil industry trade show. It is. It's exactly that. I always talk about too, like how outnumbered representatives from countries are versus the fossil fuel industry. And you're like,

there are more people here from the fossil fuel industry than like countries that are at like right now seeing the worst of climate change. Exactly. Exactly. But then you also have like, at the same time you have, I don't know, we just did this story in Guyana,

which has me thinking a lot about all of this stuff because they're global South country. They had no oil industry up until 2019. So actually, the last time I was here is when they started their oil industry. And what's happening in that time? Good news for them? They are now on track to be the number one production zone for ExxonMobil in the world. Jesus Christ. for it to happen that quickly is really unheard of and you know it's but it's really interesting to talk to some

of the politicians there because guyana was like a big conservation leader for a long time they were one of the first countries that was like paid by polluting countries to preserve their forests and stuff like that. And they're like a big ecotourism destination, all of this stuff. But they're like, we have 90% of our population on the coast. And it is that stretch of the coast where 90% of the population lives is going to be underwater by 2030. And we don't have the money to do anything about that. So we're getting into the oil business. And I was just like, man,

that is the biggest indictment of the international climate negotiation system that I can think of. Because we have put these countries in the position of being dependent on oil fucking companies to adapt to climate change. Yeah.

So anyway, I'm really fun at parties. And yeah, I mean, I think the thing with 1.5 is like just to, to give people again, like a tiny bit of, I don't, not necessarily hope,

but maybe like fuel to keep going. It's just that like, it's it, it, every percentage of a degree counts and everything that we do now will have an impact on the viability of the next generation. And we're not great as humans at thinking about, you know, being a good ancestor to future generations. But we need to be. Right.

Because we need to get there. I think other civilizations were good at that it's just this western hyper consumerist hyper capitalism version of humanity which is an aberration it's just a cancer that's taken over and spread but it's totally it is bad at that but there have been you know long surviving civilizations that were that were good at it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. The concept we have of being good ancestors like, well, I need to accumulate as much wealth now. Yes. To leave that maybe behind or maybe I die with it all in my coffin. I don't know. I don't know. But that's like the thinking that you think people do now is sort of like it's

it's a financial future. Yeah it's like it's anything else is too abstract it's not about like well i can make decisions now like to your point amy that could can reverberate on some level right but it's we don't think like that do we no no yeah exactly like a lot of a lot of indigenous cultures had that really baked into everything you know like totally how what we do now will impact this water source for future generations and this food source and all of that stuff. And I feel like, yeah, the world has gotten really far away from, weirdly, from the sorts of behaviors and practices that are conducive to the sustainability of human life. Like we talk about sustainability,

you know, and it's like, well, the environment or the trees or whatever. And yes, like all of that is very important. And we're part of that. But I don't understand the like the death wish thing. And I don't think that most humans have it. I think we're talking about a very specific group of people who make these decisions and who and, you know, people say things like, well, they're, you know, that's ridiculous because nobody can escape the impacts of climate change. I don't think that's actually true. I think, and I don't think that they think it's true.

I think that you have a bunch of people who are like, I'll just get my spaceship. Like fricking Elon Musk is on that tip now, you know, it's like Wally. Right. And like bunkers in New Zealand and Costa Rica. And they'll, you know. They're all buying up beach or like, you know.

And aquifers. Yeah. Yeah. So we've talked a little bit about like a couple of stories in the past few months that have made me feel somewhat optimistic are the the story of how the netherlands like made like cut emissions across their country by like getting rid of cars basically and a lot of their cities and it made their cities more pleasant too yes so that's what i wanted to ask you is like yeah these are i think the thing that appeals to me about these two stories like paris becoming this like amazing bikeable city the netherlands doing that after being like just traffic choked like the the worst versions of american cities you know very decade

within the past like 50 years and i think like i think a thing that a problem we have is like a lack of imagination of like what how yeah the solution to climate change could be cool and could like create a reality that actually you know captures your imagination and makes the world like a more fun place to be like they turned a highway into a river beach on the river sand like in amazing like that fucking rules yeah so like yeah and then there are things like like we i think we tend to hear a lot about the vicious cycles and not the virtuous cycles when it comes to climate so like i'm just curious curious, are there, are there other places where you see people like creating better, more sustainable futures that are actually like

more fun? Yes. Yeah. Honestly, I feel like every single place that has done that has, has created a like higher quality of living as a, as result um i mean i live in a country that very much did that like costa rica in the 70s you know decided not to industrialize well actually to undo a bunch of industrialization that had happened and to really prioritize protecting the ecosystem in a way it's and it's not at all like it forgets about humans or something i feel like that's a trope that you know a lot of a lot of people think is true that like you well a that humans aren't part of the environment and that and b that if you care about ecosystems you don't care about humans um but anyway like there's they did a really good job of

of you know talking to all of the good job of, of, you know, talking to all of the different types of stakeholders, farmers and, you know, fishermen and all of these people who depended on these resources and figuring out a way to protect them and to enable everyone to actually enjoy, you know, being in all of these beautiful natural places. And like, it's, it's a way better quality of life amazing like new zealand too we actually did a whole season on uh like a legal concept called rights of nature that comes from indigenous ideas about kind of how to value nature and how to think through any decision that you're making through the lens

of like what impacts it will have on the ecosystem including humans but you know kind of okay like let's take a holistic view of what it will mean to build this building or build this road or whatever and in New Zealand they have kind of baked that into like a sort of a land back movement with First Nations people there. It's fascinating. So they restored rights to like a sacred mountain to the Maori there. And they kind of gave, so the mountain has rights and then the Maori community has the ability to protect the mountain's rights. And so so because of that like they've turned what had been a national park that wasn't being looked after like it was full of trash and people were kind of dumping on it all the time into this really really beautiful place that has all of these you know cultural

centers and language learning classes and has just become like a, like a point of pride for the local community and also someplace for, you know, people in the country to come and visit. And like, I don't know, I just, I feel like there was a chapter in the most recent intergovernmental panel on climate change report, the IPCC report that was like the most wonky title i think it was called demand growth scenarios or something like that but the whole point of it was so boring but the whole point of it was like looking at these co-benefits of of like reducing consumption basically it was kind of radical for them to say this because it was like the most anti-capitalist like proposal from this panel of scientists and they were like actually if we just changed all of these behaviors that are pretty

basic it's like you know um making making it easier to get around cities on on public transport or walking or biking shifting diets not entirely getting rid of meat, but like just making them more plant-based. You know, like a lot of really basic things. They were like, we could actually reduce emissions from 40 to 70% by 2050, just doing those things, not deploying a new technology, not like waiting for someone to come up with a you know giant vacuum that sucks carbon out of the sky which just seems to be a lot of people's dream right now right um you know and and that it has all of these benefits for health for you know quality of life for economically for people it costs less to live in cities like that so yeah yeah, I just, I feel like there's this tendency for

the climate movement to kind of constantly just be reacting to the oil guys and their friends saying like, they want to take your hamburgers or like, they never want you to travel again or whatever. Instead of being like, no, we don't. I think that the climate people kind of need to be like, this is what we're talking about and just yeah they're framing all together more bikes more bikes yeah i feel like there's a lack of imagination for how good you know a more sustainable future can be and then there's a lack of imagination for how evil and cynical like things actually are on the corporate side like it's and there's like a an over emphasis of how great things are in this like hyper capitalism like right uh look around guys it's not good you know do you feel everyone i know in the u.s is super stressed out no one is

being made happier by you know the super fast, convenient capitalism that's provided. We're becoming more like isolated and cellularized. And the only thing it's good for is making consumerism like easier. It's not good for people. Hyper consumerism is the new opioid of the masses, basically. It doesn't even work. basically it doesn't even work and all we're doing is just fucking fiending for the next thing and we're like the fuck but yeah i have i actually have a proposal that can tackle uh climate change and gun control

because the netherlands you know it's a good juxtaposition they got more bikes than people over there yeah america got more guns than people what we need to do is convert these guns to bikes yes and now you're taking guns off the street and you turn them into bicycles i think it's win-win right there or you just have to like or like or we just have to market bikes to be like the new fucking pickup truck. Right. Just to be like, oh, you got a truck? Fat-ass tires with spikes on them. Yeah, exactly. And we just need a cool, you know, like Jack, you were referencing Fast and the Furious

sort of off mic about how that makes cars look cool. Yeah. Yes. The win-win is the cooler cities to exist in and they're more sustainable, like better quality of life and it's sustainable. Fast and the Furious would be like a win-lose where it's like, cool movie,

it does make gas-powered cars look really good. Fucking cool, yeah. It makes them look too damn cool. So we need more win-wins, like things that appeal to our imagination. And there's a bunch of them out there. It's not like we have to go create a bunch of new things. There's a whole bunch of stuff out there that already delivers multiple wins.

Our media does a terrible job of covering it. Right. It's so interesting, too. Terrible job of covering it. Right. It's also, it's so interesting too, like, if we just had protected bike lanes through intersections, like, that would even help. Like, I feel like, especially in LA. Yeah, because that's where people get hit.

Yeah. And all, I feel like, just incrementally be like, you know what, we're going to turn up the intersections a little bit so that the bike lanes are protected. I'm sure so many more people would ride bikes, like myself included, because in LA, intersections man you're just it's like it's a miracle how there's like just a rapidly increasing like number of fucked up bike v car accidents yeah london has like built a bunch of like separate bike paths like they're like completely separate and like go around infrastructure uh go around intersections and yeah they look cool and they're i don't know man yeah there there are we i just think there's a hopelessness because they we aren't given the proper like imaginative ballast to like create the solutions in our own minds. Yeah. And to think that the solutions are,

are like feasible. There's such a like defeatism, I think. Yeah. In the face of like, yeah, all of the corporate control and, you know,

corrupt government stuff and whatever, but you do see it like at the city and state level, you know, things can happen. And so, right. Yeah. Yeah.

Like Denver had a great, like e-bike program that was so popular and, you know things can happen and so right yeah yeah like denver had a great like e-bike program that was so popular and yeah you know that's been a boon for them and i just think like if you have to like even start smaller like during the like in the initial parts of the pandemic i was really into this web series called drum and bass on the bike and it was this guy who basically he's like a dj but rigged up speakers and like a turntable set up to his bicycle and just rode around blasting drum and bass. And it just grew to like hundreds of people all on bikes, just vibing out to music, but on bikes. I love it. Was that in LA?

No, it was in England. Like started off in London. And then he would be like, yo, I'm going to be in Brighton. I'm going to be in Manchester. I'm going to be in Brighton, I'm going to be in Manchester, I'm being Liverpool, whatever. And people just will come out just to like, first just kind of vibe because everybody felt so separated. But I was like, this is genius on another level, because it's not so much about like, we're doing the right thing by the environment or whatever. But like writing people really into the idea of like getting together being on bikes, and just having like a really good time

with that and i feel like that's kind of like my fast and furious of like biking that i've seen i'm like more of that yeah and i love that shit in l.a you can do that in so many cities second exactly and we need that like i i always um the whenever people ask me like about anything that gives me um like optimism on the climate, it's always a community stuff. It's always like, Oh, all any like community action, because like,

Hey, we need that as like in the U S in particular, like really needs to sort of like figure out community. And then, and then on top of that, it's also like, it's also how you're going to survive climate change. You know, like as, as we deal with more and more extreme weather events, like, you need to have neighbors that you can count on.

Like, you need to live in community with other people. And we have got to figure that shit out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think Americans tend to who haven't been through a crisis or a climate crisis or a hurricane, you know, glued to their screens watching the other people. And they're like, I bet there's looting crews going around. I would shoot them so hard. And then people who are actually in the crisis are like helping each other out. And like this was actually really cool. Like I learned a lot about my neighbors and like, I really respect them a lot more.

Yeah. Yeah. I just, I think it was a podcast that I was listening to that you were on the mentioned that Amy Coney Barrett's dad is a longtime shell. Yeah. Yep. So that's number two.

Like, so we learned that Brett Kavanaugh's dad was like the lobbyist who made it possible for Johnson and Johnson to continue to sell baby powder even though it was like obviously giving people cancer and right it's just yeah amazing Alito Justice Alito has stock in ConocoPhillips that's another one like do they pick these people out to be supreme court justices when they were kids are they just like yeah they got the they got the pedigree of like pro oil pro they find them when they're pre-teens yeah yeah it is cynical and complex and it's wild that like there there isn't more made of that also i know it's really it's the

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that you then like walk through to get through and i hate to be i hate to i hate to take it to bible school again like i did yesterday with the good samaritan thing but that's that's just a cross it's not a crucifix a crucifix yeah yeah depiction of christ on the cross i'm sorry and i'm sorry christ i'm sorry christ do not smite this podcast but it's just so impractical like it must be so hard to keep that like warm in the winter time it looks like if the kool-aid man was christian and he busted through your barn he's like oh yeah like the shape of It's just like a very geometric cross. It's like a two to three story tall hole in the side of his barn.

Yeah. But since the end of 2022, he has been actively promoting his new book As You Grow, which sounds harmless enough. I think we can give it a pass. But as that might indicate, this motherfucker is still using growing pains puns.

It's about a tree and how those of us who don't believe in God will burn for all eternity or something. Hell yeah. The description on Amazon boasts that it was written by the legendary kirk cameron okay sure legend legend legend oh my god fucking earth mate uh we've talked about the the publisher brave books before they're trying to like create a right-wing marvel cinematic universe for chill in like children books like all the books are set in a magical land of freedom island that is shockingly unfree you will be surprised to learn

their locations such as carl lago coast carl lago oh my god there's also a place called wigamore woods what's wigamore is that for like the white people who think they're black like all the wiggers hang out over there maybe they might have that in their books i don't know amazing some of us savanta all these names okay whatever cool let's go to freedom island but yeah there's talking animals and conservative buzzwords. Oh, good, good, good. And that seems to be about it. Oh, my God. So he was making headlines last year when his book launched, claiming that he has been banned from holding readings of his book by woke public libraries.

Because, first of all, is there anyone more victimized than white Christian former TV stars trying to promote their latest vanity project? Oh, absolutely. No. So hard for them. And also, is there a scarier villain than librarians? I mean, the U.N. Council on Human Rights talked about this. About how white Christian former TV stars are really, really, really... on uh human rights proct talked about this about how the problem with librarians white christian former tv stars are really really really need to bring more attention to their plight yeah they're

a protected group but his war with librarians mainly is him piggybacking on all the bigotry and hate directed at drag queen story hours using it to promote his book arguing that books featuring lgbtq plus characters are terrifying and a step towards totalitarianism wow accepting people not like not like um burning and banning books that's not a step towards i don't see any historical reference point for that that would make sense at all. That's what he's probably saying. Yeah.

Toward totalitarian acceptance. Yes. Wow. Denied that he's just trying to make headlines and sell his book and claimed that librarians were starting a war with him. Oh, really? What are you? Librarians said, who is kirk cameron yes what wait so how did they start this war because they people drove to his house and threw dog

shit on his door and said don't fuck with the library i mean the fact that the hole that his door is a giant cross-shaped hole would make it super easy to throw dog shit in there, but through it right through it. Yeah. He, so his version of Wade, them waging war on him is that he asked for, and he didn't just ask for like a slot to read his books to kids at the

libraries in his agency's email to libraries. They mentioned that Cameron also wanted to lecture children about the quote harmful effects of woke ideology specifically critical race theory and the transgender agenda or as i call it transgender yeah the transgender what the fuck it's like so it's so obvious like he's just drafting off of like the culture warship for his book. That letter was specifically written to like outrage the people who were getting it. Yeah, the Fox News set. Yeah.

And then there was libraries like one in Providence, Rhode Island, very politely declined the offer because they are, they were like were like hey we're like super queer friendly and right that like your messaging just like would not align with the community whoa and what so yeah what words of uh war i'm fighting words yeah messaging does not quite align is the library really called rochambeau yeah when i thought I was like, wow, I love that. That's amazing. Okay, so that was the

killing of the Archduke Franz Ferdinand by Gavrilo Princip. So then tell me how the rest of the invasion of Poland, I think I'm mixing my World War III eyes up. But another library received Cameron's request in new york uh and responded to the message by and like try try to remain calm as you hear this act of

aggression sending a link to the online application for presenting a library program what the fuck oh you want to read at our library? Oh, just like, here's where you apply for that. Which they do to every request of this type and the publisher did not submit an application. Oh, censorship! Yes. And then, so he sent

a letter about the transgender agenda. The transgender. Thank you, JFK. The transgender. letter about the transgender agenda the transgender and thank you thank you uh jfk the transgender and uh the library declined extremely politely and kirk cameron threatened legal action no and the library director directed them to a request for a room rental okay oh my god do it do it in fine you can have access to the library but just do it in your own little room of yes this is the thing that is like pissing me off the most about all of these these guys being like i'm my free speech rights are being you know curtailed or whatever like no one guarantees you an audience bro that is not what the first

amendment says free speech not free reach like get a grip i don't understand it i thought they all had pocket constitutions they should read them yeah but that is that's what they want that's what elon musk wants yes he'll fight keep firing people until he every one of his tweets gets to every Twitter user. More traction than the Super Bowl. Yeah. So he did, then booked the room, but then complained, and this is like a subtle form of warfare, complained

because his event wasn't on the website calendar, even though a Play-Doh play date was. Come on, Play-Doh play date is like a, it's like a headline event for a library. Yeah. That's the night of long knives.

I feel like that's like promoting the Play-Doh play date. So in March, he appeared at a brave books library reading with other illustrious children's authors, such as Jack Pasoviak, Sean Spicer, the lips of tiktok person and like 20 people showed up in crew and they were like apparently really embarrassed by that i'm like 20 people for a children's book wait when was the book reading i don't know it was like

looks like it was 10 30 a.m. On a Wednesday. Right. On a Wednesday morning. Yeah. Weren't they in school? Yeah. Children were in school, but they were taken out. 20 children and 25 adults showed up. What the fuck?

You can't even plan it? Do you even know the concept of your audience? Like, where are they? Or in their mind, they're all being homeschooled because they're not getting indoctrinated with the woke ideology in public schools or something. Sure. Great, great timing. Yeah. But again,

it's the free speech, not free reach point. That's a, that's a great saying, but they seem to be like, I just, I don't know. Every single time someone is like,

but my ideas should have a large audience. I'm like, what? Like, no, that's like saying people don't like them though yeah exactly exactly yeah your whole thing is you hate pizza right exactly like your audience you just i don't know who the fuck this appeals i'm being censored yeah i'm being suppressed yeah uh-huh yeah just because everything I'm saying is so wildly unpopular.

Why won't it catch on? Exactly. It worked for. And, but then it's like always funny. Cause you think these people were like, it worked for Hitler. Right.

Why can't it? Killing it. Oh God. Doing the same material right now. Yeah. No one likes it. What the fuck is this but it is true everybody has a persecution complex like including like nba players like everybody like thinks

because because it's like an optical illusion created by our attention economy where you like hear every bad thing that is ever said about you and right your brain only hears the bad things and not the good things and so everybody thinks they're being persecuted and yeah the right yes probably the biggest offender but yeah yeah good luck to you because they do actually suck as opposed to joel mb who a lot of people like but like one guy says he sucks and he's like, nobody believed in me from the jump. The right actually sucks at what they're doing. So they're probably hearing a lot more of it. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. Well, Amy, it's been such a pleasure having you on the Daily Zeitgeist. Thank you so much for having me again. I'll see you guys in four years. See you in four. See you in type four later where can people uh find you follow you all that good stuff i have let's see a bunch of stuff

on drilled.media that's where like the podcast and related writings and stuff are i also write regularly for the guardian and the intercept and then i I am on Twitter still at Amy Westervelt. There you go. And is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? Oh my God. Um, have you guys seen, I know that like,

uh, we were talking about the, the writer's strike and how, you know, it's a bummer that all the TV channels are, are switching to like non-scripted reality TV, but have you seen jury duty? Yes.

Oh my God. It's so good. I love it. Pauly Shore. No, no, not with Pauly Shore. Okay.

I was about to type five minutes about son-in-law too. Yeah. No, no. Army now, dude. Biodome. Yeah.

No, I'm sorry. Jury duty killed me. The, the streaming shows. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. It's so good. I thought it was so good. And also like, yeah, just just sort of like endearing and very watchful. So yeah, that's the thing I binged most recently. Miles, where can people find you? Is there a work of media you've been enjoying? Uh, at based websites at miles of gray if you like basketball

talk and you want to hear more about jack's sad nba check us out on our nba podcast miles and jack got mad boosties or sad boosties uh in this week's episode uh and if you like 90 day fiance catch me and sophie alexandra out on our 90 day show for 20 day fiance um let's see amazing couple tweets i like because we were talking about uh you know ai or and then the worker strike there's this one is from uh carl sharrow at carl remarks uh tweeted humans doing the hard jobs on minimum wage while the robots write poetry and paint is not the future I wanted. Yeah, that felt real, real. That was spot on. And then Taylor K.

Phillips at take K. Phillips tweeted. Literally, no one understands something more completely than a woman in the meeting who starts a question with. So just so I understand. Yeah, turns out. Yeah, she understands. Yeah, totally. Amazing. she understands yeah totally amazing you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien

tweet i've been enjoying uh at marxist in 513 is that date in ohio five the 513 okay tweeted uh just a screen cap of an article that said these entitled millennials are cheering for a housing market crash millennials are actually cheering for a housing market crash. Millennials are actually cheering for a housing market crash on Twitter so they can afford a home. It seems the very image of entitlement. And you just tweeted, gaslight me daddy. You're

entitled because you want to be able to afford a house at some point in your life. Uh-huh. This kind of goes in line with a lot of things. I've heard so many or read more articles like millennials are actually doing better than Gen X

and boomers. Yeah. And you're like, just because the dollar amounts are like higher in certain respects like, I'm sorry. Okay. Sure. Go on. At this stage after like a decade of like hyperinflation. Exactly.

I just have a chart that I have to show my boomer mom like once a year to remind her that like. Where we're at. Yeah, like cost of living and wages. I'm like, see that gap? See how the gap keeps growing? She's like, oh. Because every time I see her, she's like, I don't understand why people be raped. I'm like, ah.

It's time to get the fart out again. It almost seems like an unbelievable reality to be in, right? From your perspective. That's why. Yes. Yes. All right. Well, you can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien.

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Miles, is there a song that you think people might enjoy? Yeah, I was just listening to this rapper from the UK, bruv. Jambo. J-I-A-N-B-O. Chinese-Vietnamese-British rapper with like a rhyme style. It's dope.

This track is called Mongkok Madness. M-O-N-G-K-O-K Madness. And it's just dope. Get into it. Jambo. Coming at you. Well, The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio.

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