The Daily Zeitgeist - UFOs On Capitol Hill, GOP Grifters Meet Consequences 07.27.23

Episode Date: July 27, 2023

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Chili Dogs. Jersey. You know? Yeah, yeah. I love a Chili Dog. They designed all the national days around it being my birthday. Is it your birthday today? It's my birthday.

Thursday, July 27th, 2023. Oh, shit. Look at us. Oh, look at us. Look at us. Happy birthday to Jackie boy. I'm sorry I didn't even. I like how you brought that up real casual and then I felt like an asshole.

I'm like, oh, shit. It's your birthday, son. That's go the reason i ever bring it up is i bring it up at the end of a conversation okay to make the person feel bad let me see what i got here for your birthday son you know i didn't forget about you how about um toothbrush how about oh this this av display cleaner for your monitor and this micro cloth i'm to send that over to you. Well, my name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. She put the rock in the cookie dough and bake them all up. She put the

stones in the cookies. Now your teeth are not together. Put the stone in the cookie. Now you got a tooth gap. Put the stone in the cookie. Now call the dentist. Woke him up and said dentist ain't there nothing i can take i said dentist for pebble chip cookie break that is courtesy of blinky hack on the discord the idea of pebbles being in my cookies has permanently fucked up cookies for me

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I believe from Houston who pulled up to me at the Arsenal event last night and you're like hey man I'm psyched, I'm like oh shit good to see you, thank you for that you were in an Arsenal event last night? yeah they're in town, My boys are in town. You know, there was a little, there was a supporters party. Yeah.

So I got to, I got to meet some of the players like from retired players. Yeah. Yeah. I met Romford, the Romford Pele. Is that because you're... Edu Gaspar, Gilberto Silva. Is that because you're a personality, an influencer, or is that because you're like number one on the fan club?

It's more like I've been part of like the LA arsenal scene for a long time so you know that's pretty cool man i got my ear to the streets congratulations we do fun things well miles we are absolutely thrilled and blessed to be joined by a brilliant director actor one of the hosts of the podcast fraudsters on the last podcast network it's cena guzman oh my god thank you thank you thank you for joining us oh my god please pardon my small dog that's losing his mind from someone ringing the doorbell oh no and don't mind i have a pregnant wife so at any moment she could go to labor oh really, really? Just chaos. And you're also balancing a giant layer cake, like a five layer cake on your hand? How long do you have after the water breaks? Three hours?

How long is the show? I think we'll be fine. Yeah, no, you're fine. That's overrated how big a deal that shit is. How uncomfortable childbirth is. Bro. Come on. We're not really labor.

We're all guys here. We can talk. It doesn't look that bad, right? You're laying down the whole time. You're laying down the whole time. Wow. Wait, so are you, birth is imminent? Labor is imminent?

Birth is imminent. We are at term now for our second son, and he is a masculine child. Yes. And so we're very excited. any moment now but uh we'll see maybe the chest hair shows up on the scan oh my god the hair does show up my my wife is japanese and i'm uh iranian american and lordy this will be the hairiest japanese boy anyone has ever seen or the japaneseness couldn't i'm half japanese too uh famously can't grow a beard so we'll see where that goes it's funny there's famously the the

japanese iranian mix is not rare it's like yeah i've heard about it it's to people it might sound like but as a japanese person i'm like i know that there's a lot of iranians in japan and like yeah i'm thinking about you darvish the pitcher also Iranian Japanese, you know, we're out here. Great culture. Japanese cause great culture. I don't know how rare the, uh, my wife is Korean. I don't know how rare the Irish Korean is.

I feel like. I think, I think, I think you may be okay. Okay. You think there's others? I think there's other Irish Korean people out there. I just feel koreans would rarely stoop to our irish level but maybe but there are such things as military bases yeah you know there's a list sir there's a lot of guys a lot of sure isn't like because karen

oh from the yeah yeah yeahs i believe she's polish american and korean okay i think that was potentially like a you know a military love thing so i don't know anyway all that to say all the permutations are out mazel sir thank you yeah but dude maybe the same birthday as you jack you don't yeah look at that yeah so when's your birthday today july what 27th. Happy birthday! Incredible! Thank you. Thank you so much. The birth of your child would overshadow that immediately. Yeah, absolutely.

We'll get the plot. Hold it. Hold. Both names on the sheet cake. Yeah, for sure. All right, Sina, we're going to get to know you a little bit better. Let's do it. First, we're going to tell our listeners just a couple of things we're talking about. Your show is Fraudsters. We're going to kick off know you a little bit better. Let's do it. First, we're going to tell our listeners just a couple of things we're talking about. You know, your show is fraudsters.

We're going to talk. We're going to kick off with a fraudster, the border wall fundraising grifter who just got five years for, you know, they weren't the mastermind, but they put in work and made quite a bit of money off of the border wall grift. We are going to talk about it being firing time at the Florida Fash Factory. Miles, wonderful headline. Great alliteration love it trump is now begging congress to help him you pointed out in your write-up of this that like the his seeming uncomfortable is the thing like that that's the thing that is like oh so maybe this is real that's the only thing I can make sense of. Because other than that, like for me, you could say like, he got 5,700 indictments. I'm like, I don't care.

I don't know where that's going. But he's sweating? He's sweating? He seems to be sweating. Yeah. Losing the minimal amount of sleep that he gets. Right. And Fulton seems imminent.

Seems like it's going to be August-ish. And Fulton looks bad. well we'll talk about all that and then we'll get into well i'm gonna just fucking jam through those ones because i want to get to the ufo hearings because yeah that's all i care about to be honest just just reading when they released his opening statement yesterday and just reading the text, I got goosebumps. Yeah. And he's also saying, yeah, I know exactly where these crafts are. I know their locations. It's pretty cool.

But there's also some weird congressional, I don't know, one like started questioning him i was like so you're saying that like funds you that we earmarked for weapons are being used for other things like it's like the most boring approach to right like you know just the congressional what about our interviewing it's like they're interviewing a ghost and like asking if it is aware its chain rattling was violating sound ordinances. You get a ticket for that. There's a fucking ghost in front of you. That is like... Well, no, no, hold on. He's not dressed properly to address the Congress. Excuse me, sir.

All of that. Plenty more. But, Sina, before we get to any of that bullshit, we do need to know what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? Oh, Lord. This is know what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are oh lord this is very this is very vulnerable very vulnerable inducing that's why we ask it so the other day i googled matthew lillard hackers because i don't know if you guys know the movie hackers from the

90s and joe lee matthew lard. So my production company is called Zero Cool and I've always been obsessed with that movie and Zero Cool is like, you know, the handle of the main character there. And this coming weekend on July 29th,

Last Podcast Network is launching their Twitch stream and we're doing a grind house. So we're like, the MTV's the grind. We're doing a whole 12-hour sub-a-thon thing. And because I'm about

to have a child, they were like, Sina, you get 30 minutes. What do you want to do? And there's a green screen there, and I'm going to do a mixed reality session. So people are going to come in and do VR, and we're going to film it, and it's going to be this third-person thing. But the character I'm going to play is like Matthew

Lillard from Hackers. Because I'm obsessed with that kind of cyberpunk approach and that aesthetic. And so I was trying to research that. And so I don't know what I'm going to do. I don't do, you know, uppers anymore that make me look like I'm cracked out all the time. Because that's what he looks like in that. Yeah.

To get that look. Yeah. Yeah. It's tough. Remind me. Obviously, I'm very intimately familiar with matthew lillard and hackers as everyone listening but remind me what what's his whole deal he's like kind of on uppers yeah he is just yeah if the friend the friend that just got out of the bathroom

after ripping lines and they're just teeth are big and his eyes are big he's got these tiny little sunglasses yeah impossibly small sunglasses yeah yeah that i knew so we did a live show for the year 2000 with friend of the show jamie loftus and she wore tiny little hacker sunglasses and i was like i know that's a reference that i get i just can't remember the specific character. And then, yeah, it's Matthew Lillard. And those are hard to find. Yeah. Yeah. Those specific ones are. Turns out. Yeah. And then what are you going to do? Contact. You do those little braids

that he had to. Well, that's the thing. I mean, I'd have to probably do some cornrows, which, you know, that's problematic these days for a person. You know, may just do a wig, but I could do, you know, some exposed chest thing with some weird leathers and straps. Maybe wear some rollerblades.

Who knows? Yeah. Yeah. What is... Rollerblades are coming back in a huge way, I feel like, after Barbie's dominance at the box office. Did you guys go to rollerblade parties

or, like, skating parties when you were a kid? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I went to roller skating parties or like skating parties when you were a kid oh yeah oh yeah i went to roller skating parties and fell repeatedly because that was the only time i ever roller skated i ended up with like a giant like breast on one of my arms from falling over and over and like there's it's still discolored to this day like yeah 30 years later yeah it was like a giant like filled like just welt that was the size of a breast like it was crazy yeah wow okay i mean my parents always tried you know they're immigrants

and stuff like that so they're trying to like get you to know all the american things total blind spot never knew that i had to like learn how to skate or anything like that and so my first every skating party was a complete disaster for me. I was just clinging to that wall. Miles was out there doing work. Miles was out there getting loose. I'm sorry. I'd be like, oh, Cena June, did you fall down, baby?

Because I'm skating backwards in this shit. Because I play hockey, motherfucker. I'm out here. Yeah, I'm insufferable. I was insufferable at them parties. Yeah, I loveiktok videos of the roll bounce guys though they're like all like in their mid 40s or 50s and they're just kind of in seg doing that's beautiful i can not me never yeah never ever what's something that you think

is overrated diy projects do you ever watch those youtube videos and it's like the guy does doing backyard work and he's like i'm just gonna level the sand out with a couple of PVC pipes, and so two by four, and then I'm just going to wrap it up for the day and then come back in. They never show you what happens afterward. They didn't show you the couples therapy that that man had to go into after he ignored his wife for two days. And so my wife looks at these, and we try to do a backyard project and it's not the same. I looked at these. It looks so easy. All of a sudden,

it's like 105 degrees. I'm holding like a 50 pound two by two concrete paver. And I'm like, I don't know how to level this sand. This was a total mistake. She's pregnant. She doesn't,

she can't, she literally can't help. And so she's just trying to tell me what to do. I was like, you don't know how hard this is and then cut to we're trying carrying something heavy around for a long period of time i have no idea what this is like and then cut to we're like yelling at our couples therapist like you don't even know what's going on in this backyard it's like it almost ruined us just

this one tiny backyard project i was like these diy videos are all scams they don't show you the editing they don't show you anything else that happens how many takes did he have to do to get that level sand i don't know yeah they also don't show the decades of work and repetitions these people put in to make it look so fucking easy like well that guy just did it in one thing it's like but he's doing all these computations as he does it that he's not even describing in the video because i feel like all the time I'm like, oh, this should be easy if I had actual carpentry skills.

It's not just like a master or apprentice of some kind. I didn't know any of this stuff. I went to law school. I can write. I can pinch zoom on a touch screen. I can do that very well. I mean, that's a max out. We were told one of the best. Can we see that index and thumb?

Look at that. Dramatic. You're not going to see a snap like that anyway. That's the hand? That's the hand you used. He just snapped on that Zoom screen. Yeah, man. Every DIY project, every cooking thing takes me three times

as much as the time estimate. i i don't know what's wrong with me but i i am just so slow i have to like watch it watch it again i'm old i think is possibly what it is but even like i have a a bolognese recipe that is i'm pretty good at i've been making it since you know i was in my early 20s and it doesn't get any faster it's just three hours all right this is what we're doing all afternoon just don't come in the kitchen because i'm going to be in there being very slow i also like listen to like i don't i don't ever want to focus on the diy product i'm doing. You know, I want to like listen to a book. I want to like, you know, like catch up on some emails that I miss.

That's probably the problem, right? The information age has given us this false sense of, yes, the information is out there. And that means you can achieve whatever it's kind of conveying to you. And that's not true. Like you shouldn't be doing these things. Like, I can't do a wall installment of a cabinetry thing just because they did, like, an eight-minute YouTube video about it. No, don't do that.

Why should I do that? It's not the right thing for me to do. What's something that you think is underrated? Okay, here we go. Oh, speaking of here we go. Wow, we got a baby. The Geist Child cometh. How old is that baby?

Oh, he's about to be six months. Oh, so cute. Yeah. Hey, buddy. What's up, man? Hi. Look at those cheeks. Look at this question, Jew.

That baby. Oh, my God. What? I mean, truly the most beautiful baby. He's like a Pixar little baby. He is like a little Pixar baby. He has like big, like goofy animated eyes. He's just beautiful, wide open, attentive eyes.

Okay, you be quiet. Here, take that. Take that. Take that. Cena, what is something that you think is underrated okay here we go here um targeted instagram ads we we say all these negative things about our privacy about how we're giving the billionaires everything but i and i'm so happy we're talking about the stuff we're having today because i wore my ufo slippers that i got on instagram that are so comfortable so amazing immediately downloaded

or immediately uh bought them with like three taps of my thumb i i think they're they just know instagram just knows and i hate it that they know. I hate that Mark Zuckerberg is responsible in some form for all this stuff. Michelle adds, Senator. It's like, they're good. They get me. Clothes, shoes, you know, how-tos.

I spend very little time on Instagram and they're pretty good already. Like, I can't imagine. Well, it's also probably because they have access to all information across everything that I'm doing. But yeah, they're pretty good. Whenever I'm impressed, they're like, hey, you like

old rap and basketball, don't you? And I'm like, yes. They're like, check this t-shirt out that's combining these aesthetics. And I'm like, go on. It's truly, yeah, it is a little little i get angry though too because i'm like a part of me wants to feel like some sense of pride as if like i could shake the algorithms or something oh that just don't mind that that's the guy's child just cooing because he also agrees that 90s basketball and hip-hop go hand in hand but yeah

like sometimes i'm like maybe i should just look at weird shit to throw the algorithm off so it can stop giving me such just oddly specific advertisements. But yeah. Yeah. And then they were saying like, we don't listen. And now there's like a setting on your iPhone to make it literally stop listening.

And so there's, so now it's like, well, they, it's all out now. It's all just be honest. We're listing. And you know what?

You like it when we listen, you may say you don't listing. And you know what? You like it when we listen. You may say you don't like it when we listen, but you like it when we listen. We serve you up that wonderful tailored wooden spoon that you've been waiting to get. Yeah. Tailored wooden spoon. Maybe I need to spend more time on Instagram. It sounds like. Yeah.

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pulled it off are are now facing jail time one of the we build the wall fundraising campaign hucksters just received the highest sentence yet for the scheme uh he's going to spend over five years in jail this is timothy shea of castle rock colorado which makes him one of the most notorious castle rock residents not created by stephen king and uh other defendants had previously pled guilty and received three years and four years steve bannon meanwhile pled not guilty and is awaiting trial so that worms my heart a little bit to imagine him reading this headline today yeah fuck fuck fuck he went down to him yeah yeah i mean it's uh i shouldn't be a surprise considering that this was such a clear fucking scam from the beginning yeah but i'm again surprised that this ended up

with people having to answer for their crimes yeah pleasantly surprised by that he pocketed approximately 180 000 and was you know it was a scheme to defraud hundreds of thousands of donors so small donations from people who couldn't afford it. And he was just like, yoink, yes, thank you. He also helped launder the money through various shell companies so he knew what he was doing and did it badly.

So congratulations to him. Is this one of the fraudsters you're covering? You guys cover? Well, we covered a little bit of this. In between the seasons, we do these fraud wires, which are news stories that come similar to this. We did it when it kind of like the earlier criminal complaints came down for this story. And I love it because it relates to a lot of other things that we've covered. We actually did last season.

We started with campaign fraudsters and Trump was one of them. And one of the things that I think. Wait, Donald. I know. I know. Do we need a pregnant pause on the show just a moment yeah let me just go listen to that that's a baseless accusation do we need a disclaimer i don't want to get you guys in legal trouble here yeah but the thing is

you know i think the corporate media has done a disservice to us to a certain extent because they've chased everything but they kind of don't talk about the boring stuff that's actually illegal. And so this is a great example of this was a slam dunk from the beginning. You invited people to donate to something that was supposed to be a nonprofit and all this stuff. And then they didn't even try to hide it. They funneled this money out to a for-profit enterprise within seconds. It was like someone was hitting the mouse immediately as the donations were coming in just to get them out of the account. There was another great example of Donald Trump during the Herschel Walker,

Raphael Warnock runoff. And Trump would send out these emails to raise money for Herschel Walker. You'd be subscribed to the Trump campaign. You'd get an email, raise money for Herschel Walker. You'd be subscribed to the Trump campaign. You'd get an email, raise money for Herschel Walker. Let's do it. And so you'd click like, donate to Herschel Walker. You'd go to a page. It would talk about Trump. It would talk about Herschel Walker and say, do you want to donate?

Absolutely. All right. So you hit one click on your thumb, right? Two clicks on your thumb. You're at the donation page. And what does it have? It has two fields. One is donate to the Donald Trump campaign. Two clicks on your thumb. You're at the donation page. And what does it have? It has two fields.

One is donate to the Donald Trump campaign and then a field with you could put in a number. And then below is a field for, oh, donate to the Herschel Walker campaign. But in the two fields where you put in the dollar amount, it's pre-populated in the Donald Trump field with $100 and nothing in the Herschel Walker field. in the Donald Trump field with $100 and nothing in the Herschel Walker field. So you're just, they know people are just going to be slapping their thumbs just like I do on my targeted Instagram ads. They're just slapping their thumbs really quickly and they're just going to scam their way

into donating to Donald Trump instead. Instead of getting a cool pair of UFO slippers, they get nothing. They get to give their money to donate to Donald Trump. Or a Wu-Tang Clan Knicks jersey. Oh, did you really? Oh, yeah. We did that in person.

We did that in person, but I'm not going to lie. I saw those. The OutKast one got served to me on the internet, and I was like, between Jack and I, we honored our 90s rap basketball love simultaneously. At the end of the day, like i i between jack and i we honored our 90s rap basketball love yes that's right at the end of the day do you there's a part of me that does feel our show is all about vulnerable populations that get taken advantage of financially and you can't i mean this is going to sound

terrible but the trump supporters are a vulnerable population and they've been scammed and they've been taken advantage of yes they're racist yes they're programmed to hate people and stuff like that for Fox News and stuff. But they are a susceptible group of people to influence and they have gotten scammed over and over and over again. There's just 74 million of them, unfortunately. Yeah, yeah. You hate to see it. You just don't hate to see it quite as much as you do with other vulnerable populations.

Yeah. In my case. Well, speaking of vulnerable populations, the fascists who are for Ron DeSantis, the job security is not great. No. At this moment. Yeah. It turns out it's, like I said, like you said at the top, it's a little firing time down at the Florida Fash Factory. down at the florida fash factory because you know recently earlier this week desantis assured supporters and donors he's like okay look i'm firing a third of my staff because it's part of

a retooling a great reset if you will uh to make my campaign leaner and meaner to be this like insurgent campaign to defeat donald trump yeah okay whatever but anyway one of the people who got caught up in the layoffs was his speechwriter this guy named nate hockman and at first you're like okay fine a speechwriter got laid off sure uh but if you look deeper you realize that this guy was a fucking nazi fanboy on the payroll who contributed a ton of articles to the national review was like you know talking all the time about like how dope nick fuentes is and like other groiper bullshit uh and also got semi-famous for gushing over how tucker carlson like called him once because he's having a bad time i think because he was like outed as a nazi and it's also

becoming clear that this guy was the one who not only shared a video that came out recently with a fucking son and rad or sunwheel which is like a huge part of like Nazi white supremacist iconography that had DeSantis like super imposed on it. This guy is the fucking person who made it. At first they made it seem like they were just sharing something from a fan, but now we find out it was coming from inside the house. And it's not clear if it's the same dude behind the other weird ass videos we've seen come out of Ron DeSantis's campaign yeah but i bet there's a very graphic yeah yeah just

completely off the wall like weird covers of kate bush running up the hill like just all kinds of weird like last couple videos have been really weird too but i have a feeling it probably a good chance it may have been this guy too because, because of the Groyper aesthetic and just like the sort of shit posty vibe of all the videos. And, you know, it's not good news for Ron right now. He seems pretty fucked, like pretty well fucked, like every mainstream media, every every outlet has just agreed that he's fucked, which might be the best thing for him. has just agreed that he's fucked, which might be the best thing for him. I still don't think he's going to succeed, but probably needs to completely retool or do something to,

to change the trajectory. I think the biggest problem being that he's just a fucking, he's just the least charismatic human being you've ever seen. Yeah. Trying to communicate. Somehow the least charismatic Nazi. Oh yeah. Yeah. How they're usually really animated but yeah i think i think it's yeah again it's it's having like the charisma of like a manila envelope and also just having no one on your staff who has like any kind of real campaign experience from what like i've heard there's not he's like hired people who

say things that are not yes you know basically and so i think he probably saw this you know this young guy and he's like hey you're a young can you make some cool videos that will resonate but little did he realize like this guy this kid is just like a like a 4chan shit poster type mentality so you know the videos that come out were only really resonating with other racist weirdos and not so much expanding a base i would say nice guy nate are you kidding me nice guy nate he did this oh nice nice guy nate what are you talking about you know the ron desantis is like there's this i can't remember where i read it was like this chart of like his likability

after the first time you meet him and then it just like plummets after that because like in the news you see him do this thing like he's going after disney and there's a certain part of the population it's like oh yeah and then you like me you're like this guy kind of blows uh he's so boring and then if you even see all the videos i normally i'm not like okay if they don't have a professionally run campaign they're toast right we got donald trump because of that but he's good at the media this guy is awful every video you see of him he's got this weird robot laugh he's like staring his eyes are looking too big you know you can see the whites of people's eyes too much that's like a huge flag you like it's just he's looking too intensely at people

much that's like a huge flag you like it's just he's looking too intensely at people and no one can like connect with them i haven't seen him kiss one baby either which i think is another flag one thing i've seen him is wipe snot on a guy's shoulder like there's a video of him at a fundraiser he like wipes his nose like aggressively and then just like pats this guy who's sitting down on the shoulder like you just okay sir all. It'll be the most normal thing he's done. Watching him try and like pal around with people in diners is worth, like it's just him showing up at a diner and just, yeah. Laughing way too hard at like nothing and just freaking out, like not being able to eat any of the food because he's on like some strict

Hollywood diet, but he's like trying to be like man to the people. I didn't eat pudding, man. Sugar, man. Yeah. Give me that cheeseburger. Okay.

Where's my spit bag? You like peppers in your home fries? Yeah. No onions, no onions in my, in my home fries, please. I can't handle it.

The acid is too much for me. And no potatoes either. Wait, what? What do you want? Like the red? Yeah, just the green bell pepper. Just salt and pepper. Yeah.

Wait, what do you have? A warm bowl, one ladle of chicken broth, and cumin. He spices it up a little bit. I bet he's hung out with gwyneth paltrow before maybe yeah i mean he has i i i would sooner believe that rather than ron de santis being in some kind of like hollywood goop scenario that gwyneth paltrow would have been at guantanamo bay for some secret weapon yeah like that's where they hung out like or she's like oh yeah this is giving me a lot.

I love the aesthetic here. Those prisoners need to moisturize. Yeah. She actually uses tears as moisture. It's like there's something about the content of torture tears that she uses. And then she just enters the room and all the moisture gets sucked out of them and goes under her body. Oh, wait, I've got this great idea for a new baby shampoo. Guan-tier-no-mores shampoo. goes under her body oh wait i've got this great idea for a new baby a baby shampoo guantir no more

oh shit trademark that just trademark that a baby shampoo baby shampoo uh all right and then trump seems uncomfortable yeah a lot of people over on the right seeming uncomfortable i feel like we're it's always a big news story like especially when the democrats aren't in the white house the like democrats in disarray they're like freaking out and like wondering what to do and no candidate is coming forward and pulling it together I feel like we're getting the Republicans in disarray folks I mean it's yeah it's kind of freak out mode. It took a lot to get the

media there but I think they're kind of also being like these guys kind of stink. Yeah it wasn't the part where they were talking about how they thought Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene were going to start fist fighting at any moment you think everything's all good over there but yeah last time we checked with trump he was screaming on truth social or rather like uploading full p like three-page pdf rants about his legal issues again that's the guy's say hello hi hi hey there he goes wow there he is capture that it's a drop i'm teaching i'm

teaching everybody about the shitty former president so right now you know like he was talking about we we felt that okay there's obviously an indictment coming based on how much screaming he's doing on on social and whether that's the dc like overturning the election case or the rico in fulton county georgia yet to be seen but he's clearly in give me attention and money mode right now which makes perfect sense because a lot of the reporting suggests all these cases not even you can just imagine all these cases require a lot of expensive lawyers, especially the ones that have like specific purity clearances and can deal with the kinds of issues that Trump has. So that's one issue for him. And also like these semi veiled threats he's been making the last

couple of weeks as it relates to his supporters, and they're very passionate and I'd hate for something bad to happen. I know you would hate for something bad to happen. There doesn't seem to be like that groundswell of the MAGA freakouts that we had leading up to January 6th, although he's trying desperately to try and create that atmosphere. So now he is asking Congress to please help me. And I'm just going to play this clip that he uploaded. Sorry, and I do just want to acknowledge that, I mean, that was crazy.

So when Miles was doing the Trump impression, he just held the Geist child up and the Trump voice came out of the Geist. Yeah, it is an amazing impression. How'd you do that? Resonant voice. You're truly my boy. You love that, don't you, folks? He's really good. You hear that? He's working. He's doing a lot better. He's doing vocal warm-ups. Here's Trump begging Congress because he's V-comfortable, V-confident. Nothing's going on. But you tell me if this sounds like somebody who's doing okay. This is direct-to-camera in front of conservatively 14 American flags. Yeah. He's crammed 70,000 flags into one frame somehow. Congress, if you will, please investigate the political witch hunts against me currently being brought by the corrupt DOJ and FBI, who are totally out of control.

They're going after Biden with all of his corruption, the most corrupt president in history. But they keep coming after me from the day I came down the escalator, all failures. This continuing saga is retribution against me for winning and even more importantly to them election and then he goes on he's they're trying to fuck up about 2024 this is their version of stealing the vote i just love the the energy that it starts off with i'm just gonna play it again uh because he's like congress if you will please congress if you will, please. Congress, if you will. Someone was like, why don't you just don't sound so desperate right now? Yeah. Congress, if you will, please.

He's reading off a prompter. Like you can tell he's very, he's one of the easiest people to tell the difference. And he's very, he's way less effective as a communicator when he's reading off a prompter. When he's off the prompter, he does that shoulder pivot. Like he changes his shoulder angle. His shoulders, yeah. He does that rocking. Just imagine the number of people that have had to learn to write in his voice.

Yeah. Congress, if you're listening. Yeah. Well, I'm sure he has notes, but I feel like he probably writes a little bit differently than he speaks. No, fewer words. Trim that down. More caps.

More caps. but it does feel like weirdly formal like he's like okay i'm doing the thing the big like plan you know defcon 5 i'm going to ask congress to help me yeah i don't know what he thinks is gonna happen to the escalator speech which was the the one where he called a whole country rapist. I mean, it's like, this is the one, this is the image you want to bring back. I guess that was like a great dividing line in our country. Because some people watch that and were like, wow, this man's a maniac. Other people were like, you know what, this guy makes a lot of sense.

Hey, man. Hey, I'm Kermit. Kermit the Frog. I'm Kermit. Kermit the Frog. My Kermit. Wet sash. Man, this is what having a kid does to you. It's like I just go into some weird Elmo Kermit voice thing. Well, he's all about green grievance politics.

You know? Where it's not easy being green. Everyone's. Anyways. Elmo believes that white men are being punished. Men are the the sin of existing what the fuck Elmo again the Geist Trial

what yeah incredible work we don't like those takes white men are not being punished merely for the crime of existing hold on is that the groundlings

what is happening but yeah like so this is just one of those Elmo's dad does have a big soul patch by the way does he oh yeah he is like one of those

he has like a Muppet soul patch yeah yeah way just does he oh yeah he is like one of those he has like a muppet soul patch yeah yeah yeah i don't know what i think about that he could have been in january 6th yeah oh absolutely uh but the thing is like we've talked about this in the past with all these stories like i get i get it he's being indicted but like also i don't have faith in the legal system to actually dole out justice in the way that like we see it, you know, be heavy handed for many other people. So the only thing that really makes me feel that this is somewhat real is just that Trump is clearly uncomfortable. Yes. And I don't want to say scared because I think that's too powerful of a word. And I honestly, I'm not sure he's capable of the sensation of fear as it relates to legal issues because this man has been able to skirt

sidestep juke dodge whatever spin out of all kinds of legal issues that i think for him is just more like oh shit they might okay you gotta do your thing now more than like dude please yeah although it's weird he brings the energy of an infomercial to this plea to congress to like yeah democracy he had it's the same energy he has when he's like selling trump water and trump steaks he's just like all right this is my next venture i'm gonna talk to congress and it's i i something's going like the the fulton what what do we call the the fulton indictment is that oh this like the fulton county yeah yeah county case the fulton county charges seem like they're coming yeah and they seem like they're the i mean they're the ones we know the most about right because it was so out in the open

well yeah he we've heard recordings of him trying to pressure the state's top election official to find 11,780 votes to flip the results. His campaign recruited fake electors who signed off on a failed bid to eventually replace the real ones in Congress to like overthrow the election. A local Republican snuck into a County election office to tamper with voting equipment. That's, those are all like, those are pretty big.

And they're all talking too none of them are like it ain't some omerta shit where they're like yeah nice try i ain't saying nothing i'll do a fucking 10 10 10 year stretch on my head no they are talking and again like like we said the second brad raffensperger came out from uh like georgia to be like uh i don't know if y'all know what this guy just tried to make me pull i was like wellia to be like uh i don't know if y'all know what this guy just tried to make me pull i was like well yeah i don't know i don't know what else yeah i don't know what other investigating will need to be done but hey here we are the thing that i think always he gets like exonerated on all the times in some of these cases is like his mental state and what he was

doing were different he didn't intend on doing any of these things. Like I think the January 6th thing, he may be able to get off for inciting violence because he's like, I'm just talking. But these other things where it's like the classified document where they now have him on recording saying this is a classified document that I'm not allowed to declassify. This recording where he's talking directly saying, I don't think this was right. You should do this. These all speak to like his intention and what he wants someone to do. And then the act is the act. Everyone gets it. And so that, I think, gives me faith in the judicial process when it comes to this kind of stuff where I don't have faith in. It's like when there's a jury that can be

influenced by a narrative in a very clear way right like he was just motivating people to use their powers of peaceful protest yeah i can see a jury just being like whoa you know and it's all kermits and so yeah all juries are kermits and so yeah that's why i think these ones are interesting and i like how they waited at least a while to come down with these indictments you gotta really get dialed in if you're going to do this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's like with you could already see just sort of with Judge Cannon in, you know, South Florida, how she's already beginning to influence things with her, you know, love of Trump. But yeah, like it's these other cases that seem again, where it has much less

wiggle room, especially again, like for this Fulton case where like most people saw this without having to like, you know, go through the process of like discovery or investigating or anything. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that. I remember hearing that.

I remember seeing that. Sure. Not going to lie. A lot of people saw that. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll be back. We'll talk UFO hearings.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. and we're back and so the the ufo hearings are being covered like live with live updates by a kooky ufologist website called the hill info wait no the hill yeah but just like the texture of the whole thing, it's like this weird combination of like boring congressional political procedure and these super qualified like intelligence officials saying the wildest shit that's ever been said in front of Congress. But I don't know. So, I mean, the opening statement that we had access to yesterday or two days days ago, has this quote, Miles, that you pulled. Yeah, from David Grush. Yeah, from David Grush. I was informed in the course of my official duties of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program to which I was denied access to those additional read-ons.

Hold on. denied access to those additional read-ons and hold on again just to say this is the guy saying i was made aware of a fucking program where we were scooping up spaceships and then trying to figure out how they were working was that who were you working for fucking x files oh the pentagon the pentagon okay oh. He also today said they were asking him, like, do you believe that the U.S. government is in possession of UAPs? And his answer to that was, absolutely,

based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over four years. And then he added that he knows the exact locations of where this technology is, and those locations were provided to the Inspector General, and some of which to the intelligence committee. Drop a pin, Davey. Let's go, baby.

Come on there. I know to their drop a pin, send a location. I'm going to pull up in that bulletproof spaceship. That's how 2 Chainz song went. I mean, it feels so. I mean mean seriously please where is it can we see this I mean so seeing as somebody who covers fraudsters and you know people who scam other people like yeah that that's been my the thing that I've had a hard time getting my head around is if this isn't true, then these have to be like people who are trying to scam us into believing this for some reason and just like

completely lighting their careers and credibility on fire in the process. Like, have you thought about it from that perspective? Like what, what would motivation be? Like if if this isn't true, like what are why are they doing? So there's two there's like one variable that I think makes me feel like this is accurate. Normally, when I hear something so absurd, when people say something like you just did, right, this is so absurd. Why would they lie? If they lied, their whole career would be over. That's usually a red flag that they are actually lying. They are actually scamming you. And because they, so many of the fraudsters we've covered, all of the victims have been like,

surely this person can't be doing a billion dollar insurance fraud. Surely they can't be doing all of these things. That can't be possible. But this though, when someone's been working on something and they haven't been famous or haven't been making a lot of money for decades they're kind of sticking to the same thing over and over and over again for me it's it rings true

because a lot of these fraudsters need to make a buck they need to get something out of it at the end of the day or they're just insane but this guy i mean i don't think so right yeah i mean i i don't i guess i don't see the end game for him and for all these other officials who came are coming forward who who were you know in in position to learn about this, they put whistleblower protections in place and suddenly there were multiple witnesses coming out being like, alright, yeah, I've seen enough

weird shit that I want to speak on it. I think the closing part of his opening statement does, he kind of sets it out, like sort of what he feels the stakes are, which he's saying, you know, we need a democratic process to like evaluate this data.

And it's our collective responsibility to ensure that public involvement is encouraged and respected. Indeed, the future of our civilization and our comprehension of humanity's place on earth and in the cosmos depends on the success of this very process it is my hope that the revelations we unearth through the investigations of the non-human reverse engineering programs i have reported will act as an ontological earth shattering shock a catalyst for a global reassessment of our priorities yeah also i'm i'm sending i'm also got a crypto coin i'm launching too right uh uap coin that's what i'm waiting for that's what i'm waiting for exactly right it's like get in early do these nfts

man like the first couple nfts will have little pieces of where you can find some of these uaps dude so i i do feel like that's a really like... I mean, it's very grandiose, obviously, but I'm also glad that he said it because those are the stakes. First of all, we face an existential challenge at the moment. If we gain access to some superior technology, maybe we can reverse engineer our way

into not having to rely on smoking dinosaur bone juice that is like turning the oceans 101 degrees Fahrenheit. Right. And also just the getting us out of like a realist military colonial mindset that has been like kind of pervasive for hundreds of years now. But like it is the most consistent driver of years now, but like the, it is the most consistent driver of how money is spent over the last hundred years. Like the argument that you need to invest in technology because the people with superior technology will always use it to assert their will on you.

Like that, if you don't have the best weapons, then the other people who have the best weapons are going to invade and, you know, bend you to their will. Uh, the, the U S does that and like fully embodies that ideal.

And then to like that, that's always struck me as an important idea that is like hidden behind all of this is that there is this superior technology that's just chilling like they've known about us for a long time and they are just chilling as of right now like they haven't decided to come in and just harm harm people and it's just i don't know the i i feel like it could upset like that ideal that underwrites all of the military spending and all of the like military superiority so that's it is kind of why i find it significant that the military is the source of a lot of this information is like they they've been the ones who are like no i mean we have to get the best technology so that we can fight and be violently superior to everyone.

And this would suggest to me at least that that mindset that the current violent colonialist realist ideal might just be an aberration or a nasty phase that certain like go through on their way to becoming more enlightened and advanced because that whatever this is has much better technology than us and hasn't decided to kill anyone with it and it's just like you know observing which i don't know maybe maybe that's scary too but i think it's actually like shows that you don't just advance to being like like the the movies assume that once you get perfect technology or like this like crazy intergalactic traveling technology you are going to come and just destroy everything just like start using humans as target practice for your laser weapons. And like this would complete, and like every movie has assumed that, you know, like it's like almost every single movie.

Well, because it all has that sort of subconsciousness of just imperial activity. Yeah, that's what we do. From colonizing civilizations. It's just been like, and that's, and it's just that fear turned back around, which is like, but then they, because just like how we had guns and they did it when we pulled up on boats hundreds of years ago.

It's like the same version, man. Like then what? Then what? Yeah. Have you guys read the three body problem or the dark forest or any, any of the books in that series? Yeah. I've read the first two.

Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean that concept of like, we're in a dark forest and the universe. And if like we see a light and I think they the aliens are just they know we're here and they got to make sure that we're not the violent ones. They're going to come after them. Yeah. With the advent of technologies and AI, I'm sure things will speed up over the next 30, 40, 50, if not 100 years. Definitely that we'll be able to get out there and start exploring.

And what if we find something? What if we're the colonial ones and they have to be afraid of what we're going to do? So they're just kind of like checking us and making sure like, oh, they're still fighting about elections. They're still smoking dinosaur juice down there. They're way behind. We're good.

We're good. We're good. There's so many sightings of them like checking out our nuclear weapons and like our nuclear power plants and i think it's just like they're trying i i don't think they're like you know wow look at this cool technology let's learn about it i think i if if all of this is true i think they're like are these fucking idiots gonna blow themselves up like let's just that's my general opinion too yeah they have just they're like, are these fucking idiots going to blow themselves up? Like, let's just. That's my general opinion, too. They have just they're just we are a laughable group of like Viking esque people that still are wildly violent.

And if the only thing they're worried about is what happens when these people get smart enough, are they going to try to kill us because they don't understand that the universe is infinite? I still don't know what's going on. us because they don't understand that the universe is infinite right you still don't know what's going on they're gonna be like when they ruin their planet with the bone juice smoking they're gonna fucking try and come after our shit so yeah let's fucking try and get them to figure shit out so they stay on their little marble but yeah it's it's wild and again just reading that statement is fucking mind-blowing to me that the guy's like a decades-long pro multi-decade uap crash retrieval and reverse engineering program yeah that that's just like that's just out like you know now i'm just i have a million thoughts going through my head and then to also learn that like half of

these military budgets are going to like people who are like hey Hey man, I found some shit. If you often, if you want to buy it off of me, because like there are private companies who are selling this shit to the government as well. Why do you guys think it's, this isn't like the media loves crazy news, right? We love things that are sensational.

It's drives clicks. This feels like the most sensational possible story of our lifetime. And we're still talking about what, you know, Twitter is changing the name to X. It's like, give me aliens. 24 hours a day. We are hearing from C-SPAN is covering. This should be pumped in to mainstream everywhere all the time. Right.

Instead, we're hearing about how Joe Biden's dog Major gets real bitey with people. That is important. It suggests that things are not as they seem in the White House. He should be impeached. He should be impeached if his dog is biting people. Not my president. Yeah.

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Jim trafficant, who was this Ohio Congressman. That was crazy. He also said, beam me up all the time in his congressional, uh, speeches all the time, which is,

uh, parking back to star Trek. So he's pretty cool that's cool and is there a work of media that you've been enjoying yeah actually um i wanted to share one of the pieces from our cold open on jim trafficking where he's uh it's like a highlight clips of some of the stuff they said and he's absolutely insane and a lot of people don't know about him because he was from like the 80s and 90s and so yeah i mean he's he's he'd be huge today he'd be like a million plus followers on social media easily

amazing all right we will link off to that in the footnotes miles where can people find you is there work in media you've been enjoying uh yeah you can find me at miles of gray at all at based life forms oh wow just see i've got all the uap talk in my brain at based social media platforms uh also check out the new podcast the good thief uh talking about the greek robin hood and our hunt to find this man his name is vasily spalio costas who was kidnapping millionaires and then giving money away to the poor mountain people he grew up with in greece uh it's a really dope story so please check that show out. And also, if you want to hear basketball talk,

check out Miles and Jack out. Matt Boosties. That's our NBA podcast. And then, obviously, you know about 420 Day Fiance, where I talk about trash reality. A piece of media that I've been enjoying. Honestly, it's a lot of this, the UAP hearings. Just, again, to see something come out of

the House Oversight Committee's official website and have all this stuff up there, it's really just kind of... It's doing my head in a bit. A lot of existential questions about it. So, yeah, check that out. Alright, you can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien, on threads at

Jack underscore O underscore O'Brien. Work of media, I've been enjoying my friend Chris forwarded me this tweet from at Datakin tweeted. I'm going to be honest with you for a period of time in the 90s. I frequently wore a t-shirt that said no fear, but there was some fear

and I identify with that and he knew me in the 90s and saw all my no Fear gear. You were rocking a lot of No Fear? No. Big Dogs? Did you rock Big Dogs? I think I had a Big Johnson shirt when I was like 11. You had a Big Johnson?

You were rocking Big... My mom wouldn't let me buy Big Johnson. I think I had one. Actually, that might be a false memory. I had a lot of Farside t-shirts that was like my equivalent of the kids who wore Big Johnson shirts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But look at the wry humor of Gary Larson.

Yeah. This child is pushing on the door that says pull, and he's a gifted student apparently. Anyways, you can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and our website, dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. Footnotes. Where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode,

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