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Episode Date: April 4, 2025

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Like Jeremy Allen White and people like that are always hanging around and it's like, not me Googling Jeremy Allen White. Oh, that guy. Okay. Okay. Bear guy, Bear Grylls. Bear, Mr. Bear. Mr. Bear.

Not the Paddington Bear. Thank you. I was going to say, the only bear that matters, Paddington. Thank you. Thank you for finally acknowledging that after all these years. Wait, until he does a full spread in his underwear. No, just kidding.

That's true. Would you be, I mean, yeah, where's the line for you with Paddington AI images? You know, like, would you care if someone did a Calvin Klein Paddington bear? I would be furious. That's disturbing, no. Because first of all, Paddington-

I didn't ask you, Justin. He's a child. Pad a child, a small boy. Canonically, how old is Paddington? We just don't know about that because Barry years and human years. I'm not sure. Not to be a fucking creep, not to be a creep. So we don't know for sure. We don't know for sure.

But, but even, okay, let's say Paddington is a full adult. He is asexual. So we don't need to be sexualizing him and putting him in. Shout out to the ace community. Exactly. So... Anyway, June. Hi, June.

Hello. Hi, June. How's it going? Good to see you, June. Good to see you too. This is Kaitlyn Durante, who's guest co-hosting today. Hi, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too.

She co-hosts the Bechdel cast with Jamie Loftus and is like also a great comedian. Oh for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, we, I feel like we'll all get along swimmingly. We were just talking about Paddington and just a bunch of Paddington stuff. Anyway, I'm not gonna get into that. Is that new movie coming out soon? Are you talking about like Paddington, like the movie? The movie? Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, yeah. I brought up Jeremy Allen White from The Bear and Caitlin's like, who? And I'm like the movie the movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah We're I brought up Jeremy Allen white from the bear and Caitlin's like who and I'm like the guy from the bear She's like the only bear is Paddington and then that Would you what do you think of sexualized images of Paddington made by made with AI and that was definitely Anyway, he's just a baby. He's a

He's a pure child I know and I had to play shitty online devil's advocate of my wood. Is that art actually articulated? And I'm like, okay, it's like there's bear years I'm like and I'm not trying to be a person on a Jubilee video where I'm like, so there is no objective fact We are making Paddington bear porn to make a very important point. Yeah We are making Paddington Bear porn to make a very important point. Yeah, I don't know. It was the... We have yet to discover what that point is. Are your money skills total trash?

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Hello the internet and welcome to season 382 episode 5 of the Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. Look, this, this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And oh, what a day to be looking into America's shared consciousness because we've got a little bit of everything. It is Friday! Thank fuck, it's Friday, April 4th. That means it's National Vitamin C Day, not the band. It's Jeep 4x4 Day, National Chicken Court on Blue Day, National School Librarian Day. Shout out to Miss Barkley, my school librarian when I was just a young, a youth, you know, in kindergarten and put me on to the power of books. She said, maybe you like Peewee Scouts. And I did love Peewee Scouts. And then my love of books began from there. And then I only

started reading nonfiction. It became a weirdo. Anyway, it's also National Walk Around Things Day. I don't, that doesn't make sense. Walk around things Around Things? Yeah, fuck it. It had like an image of like a traffic cone with like a bunch of lumber in the road as an obstruction. Doesn't seem like a good thing to celebrate. Librarians and Chicken Court on Blue though? Yes, I'm there. Who am I? I'm Miles Gray, aka the Lord of Lakersham, the North Hollywood showgun with no gun, because like you got guns, you're gonna have gun problems and also uh experimental black and these artists your boy Kusama and I am thrilled to be joined today by my guest co-host a brilliant comedian a brilliant teacher a brilliant lover of cinema how well just check their fucking master's degree in film that's how you'll know they respect the art they respect the medium if you

need help with an idea comedic writing otherwise, I would say to hit this person up because they offer that kind of support. And guess what they also host a tremendous podcast that you already know called the Bechdel cast and as Jack always says our favorite anagrammable name. Right? Right. I know the most stand up, grimble name in the English language. Yes. How I would say qualifies it. It could be Latin dancer UTI. It could be nine tit Dracula. Oh, it can be Caitlin D Titanic. Wait, Lauren Lauren D Titanic.

All of these are encapsulate the same person who contains multitude. Please welcome my guest co-host. Caitlin Durante. Wee woo wee woo. And speaking of Titanic, I just have to throw a quick plug in here at the very top because I am hosting a Titanic themed standup comedy show

in New York City. Ever fucking heard of that? I'm gonna look it up right now though, hold on. It's on April 15th. Why? Because that's the day Titanic sank. And is that morbid to like commemorate that with a comedy show? Maybe. I don't care. I love Titanic.

So, uh, any people in the New York area, or hey, travel to New York, if you must, come see me do stand up, and there's gonna be Titanic trivia and Titanic bits and jokes and all kinds of stuff, uh, April 15th at Union Hall in Brooklyn. Then also when I'm on the East Coast, I'm going to be doing shows in State College, Pennsylvania. Why? Because that's where my family lives,

and I'm going to be there. Just trying to kill two birds with one stone. Exactly. I thought for a second, isn't there a bar in Long Island City that has an out of nowhere Titanic bathroom? Yes. It is called, fuck I forget what the bar is called. It's called like the Baroness or something and Blake Wexler. And okay, I fucking posted videos of that bathroom first. Oh, fuck my bad. Where's the credit? Where's the credit?

No, but yes, another white guy skating on, yeah. Tell me about it. Anyway, so yes, I'm gonna be on the East Coast in April doing shows in State College in New York and I need everyone to come to those places. Thank you. And you know, you asked me if I ever heard of New York. I had it, I just Googled it. Oh, okay, what'd you find? That's where they did 9-11.

Oh. That's crazy. I didn't know that. This is the stuff you miss in history class. You know what I mean? Yeah, well, revisionist history taught in American schools that's crazy. I didn't know this is just stuff you miss in history class. You know what I mean? Yeah, well revisionist history taught in American schools. I write. Yeah, let me know what you thought of loose change. I'm curious what you thought about that documentary. Anyway, yeah, Caitlin, we are thrilled to be joined. I am especially thrilled to be joined by somebody you looked this is the beauty about being a cool person on the internet. Sometimes you meet other cool people from the internet and you only know their account and then you meet them

in real life and you go I love this fucking person they have the best energy is like it's even better than what I thought it would be. Look, most of you probably know her from maybe her podcast hosting the podcast Western Kabuki. Maybe you know her from you know her fucking fire social media accounts. I think most people probably do. If you don't, you should learn up and we will get to that handle at the end of the show.

Or look, you might know her as the social media manager for the onion. All I have to say is, this person is very special and the first time guest, please welcome to the show, June. Wee woo, wee June! Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited. What's up? It was just so wild I couldn't believe how quick how easily I fanned out on you when we met in Austin but I did when I was like wait June and then I was like wait Juniper? Yes! Yes! Yes! Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had never, so I don't like know if this

is like a video podcast normally, but I don't like watch podcasts. I'm not one of those people that- No, no, this isn't. No, this is not a video podcast. No. So I'm not like a video podcast watcher and like, you know, I know the Daily Zeitgeist, so when I heard that, like, you guys, I was like, oh shit, like you, you both, because I met you and Jack Yeah, yeah, no that was we had so much fun Jack and I was so geeked out after Like super tasting and oh, I know you about that Yeah, I know I and I honestly thought I was like she may have some kind of genetic superpower where she has a super palette that Food companies pay her for rather than a skill that can be developed almost like a trade.

Anyway, June, thank you so much for joining us. We are going to get to know you a little bit better. But first, usually I'm going to run down some of the stories that are so fucking painful that it's probably easier just to tell people the headlines. And if you want to do some like psychic damage to yourself, you can look into it. But you know what? There's only one huge story to really talk about today. That's taking up all of the air.

And those are these motherfucking tariffs that Trump just dropped on our asses on Tuesday or the world's are sorry, Wednesday. And we're now starting to come in. Things are coming into focus. Some think it's stupid. Most people think it's stupid. Others would be like, no, this is very intentional. And I can, we can tell you why.

So I think we're going to touch on that. We'll also touch in with maybe Bill Burr. He was recently, someone tried to kind of gotcha him at a recent appearance at the Mark Twain Prize event where Conan received something at the Kennedy Center. He just kind of wasn't having it in typical Bill Burr fashion. And we'll also talk about a trailer for a new movie because you know what movies about nom need?

Fucking dinosaurs. Yeah. They've gotten too boring. Yeah. That's the thing I learned in school in my master's program. Like history is boring. They got to sit up a little bit like they need,

AI is going to take over. We're not going to have actual like school soon the way like the Department of Education is going. So what better way to teach people than like sprinkling in some like fiction, you know, it's more exciting. It's way more fun. Don't don't don't think about the fucking spread of communism with a panic attack the fucking US had no no, it were fucking dinosaur. I also I also love that this could be a version of history where people like exactly man, that's why we lost Nam because the fucking US had no no it were fucking dinosaur I also I also love that this could be a version of history where people like exactly man that's why we

lost Nam because the fucking Vietcong had goddamn velociraptor that's why we didn't discover that technology yet yeah exactly all right well let's get into it June what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are what you're into right now so I mean I'm kind of like a politics pervert I I am like always every single day for the last like 15 years of my life, been following day to day politics. So I'm just gonna skip over like, especially cause you know, it's all about the tariffs right now.

So I've been like searching some stuff about the tariffs, but then like the first non recent non tariffs thing that I Googled was the, I think it was in the 2016 primary, a couple of days ago, I poured my friend a beer and it was, the head was like so bad. It was like 50% beer, 50% head. And my friend was like, you just gave me the Hillary Clinton pour. And I was like, wait, what are you talking about? And then she told me to look up the Hillary Clinton beer pour. And there's like a really famous picture of her that I totally forgot about, totally memory hold, where she like is at one of those, have you ever been to one

of those, sometimes they're at restaurants where you can pour your own beer. It's kind of like a gimmick type thing. Oh yeah, yeah. Like where you put like a card in that sort of tabs up whatever you get. Yes, yes, yes. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. So I think Hillary had to have been at something like that. And she poured a little bit of her own beer and she like triumphantly holds up half beer, half head. And she looks so thrilled. So it's the worst pour of all time. It looks like almost AI propaganda.

You know what I mean? Like, I don't know why there is like the coloring to my meaning. Is this real? But it really does look like a toddler like just poured A beer like look I did beer. Yeah, she's so happy it like okay It does actually look like grok or some shit made that like it's doesn't it have yeah that AI sort of feel to it But no, this is very much is like even though the Atlantic does post dubious things a lot of the time This photo is real. So, how? Look. Also, the ratio is, I would say, closer to like two-thirds head and one-third beer. It's even worse.

It's even worse. I couldn't even accomplish the Hillary Clinton pour. My pour was better than that, and I was drunk pouring it very poorly. Shame. Shame. Yeah. Wow. This is why we lost, folks. We lost the beer vote with that one. And this is just like a little touchstone

that I've been thinking a little bit about where you mentioned that it kind of looks like AI. There's been times where people have posted real photos, real art, and people will freak out being like, why are you using AI? And it's like, no, this is real. This is a photo. This is not AI.

We're like hitting that point where AI is kind of becoming in some cases Like indistinguishable and it's tripping people up and it's it's gonna be a problem Oh, yeah, people are fooled with a lot already forward like it's already captured the boomers They have no ability to discern what's real anymore because I think their media literacy sort of stops at, well, it's on TV or it's in a newspaper. And that is sort of like, that means it's truth because they grew up in an era where that's just, that's where all media was sort of concentrated.

And I think now with our generation, Gen X, we're a little bit savvier. Like you can't believe everything you fucking see on TV or read. But then that also turns into, you can't believe everything you fucking see on TV or read. But then that also turns into you can't believe everything doctors say. It's just like, we are sort of rapidly deteriorating. But yeah, now with this stuff too, that you see, like, there are times when, like, there are like all these fake movie trailer channels on YouTube that I have errantly clicked or not.

Aaron was like, Oh, the trailer for this is already out. And then like, 10 seconds in after like, wait, what the fuck am I? What the fuck? It's a gold mine. Like there's like a gold rush of just AI slop. Uh, not the first to acknowledge that, but it's just going to get worse as long as these companies still get like billions in funding for no reason. It's there's like a subreddit called AI video,

and a lot of people post like just sort of like, you know, they're all just kind of circle jerking around like, dude, look how good it's fucking getting. And some are good and some are bad, but someone recently put like a real life version of the X-Men, but like the female characters in the X-Men, but like hyper sexualized, and people are like, dude, all right, man, we've arrived.

And I'm like, this is so stupid. Oh no. Look at, look at, look at the way Storm's Mohawk moves in the wind. And you're like, this is okay. Cool. June, what's something you think is underrated? I think, uh, Super Smash Brothers Melee for the GameCube competitive scene is very underrated.

Wow. Wow. Love the specificity. Yeah, well, because I am, I love, it's been a minute since I've gone to a tournament. So you can, so people can assassinate me for that. Who you mean? I'm kind of a fraud. I mean, Captain Falcon. Okay.

And I for almost over 10 years now have been playing the game competitively. I am not like the best. I am not like top 100 in the world, but I'm a, I'm a lover. You know, I'm a lover of the game. It's a wonderful game. Um, highly, I highly recommend checking out the competitive space for Melee in particular, the GameCube one. So much fun, great community, great people.

Yeah. I always see like clips. I mean, I, I played the game like casually, I think like most people do when you're like in college or you know, those that era were gathering around a gaming system and you had no job or times or No job and plenty of free time like sort of meant like yeah, we're playing GameCube Yeah, a very normal way to play melee Yeah compared to the insane way that me and people like me play the game

but like I just I occasionally see these clips of like the most epic matches and how people are just surviving on their last legs and that always, that warms my heart but then I realized how robust that whole scene is. It's anything, anything you suggest for people who want to dabble their toe? I think the what to watch, that's a really hard question because there's so many iconic sets. Anything like any set I think with like AMSA, he's a Yoshi player. He revolutionized the Yoshi meta. He was

thought to be like a very low tier character for most of the game's competitive history. And then in like the mid 2010s, he was like, no, Yoshi can be topped here. And he's like a top 15 player in the world now. Yoshi, there's like Yoshi Renaissance. So any like mid, like I think it was Kings of Cali three, AMSA versus anyone at that tournament was like his breakout event. So I highly recommend that. I love that. It's like all these tournaments are like concerts in your mind.

You're like, okay, let me, let me, let me think of one that y'all are going to really, they really are like, so there's some iconic, like, pivotal tournaments that I still like. Ten-year-old tournaments, like, are just so pivotal to me. And I remember, yeah. Kaitlyn, were you ever... Did you ever dabble with the GameCube, with the games? I never had a GameCube. I went straight from...

Wait, is GameCube... This is a bad question. I love GameSquid. I love Swiss Wyndham. Just hang on. Is GameCube... I didn't mean to make it hot. Well, it's too late, Miles. GameCube is Nintendo?

Yeah. Ding, ding, ding. I skipped over that. And I also skipped over the Wii. I went straight from, like, classic, like, 1980s. Oh, no, no, no. We had an N64. So I had one of those shitty ones, no. We had an N64. So I had like one of those shitty ones and then I had an N64 and then I skipped all over a bunch of them and then went straight to the Switch. And mostly I play Overcooked.

Oh, I love Overcooked. Yeah. Best. Do you play with people? Obviously. Have you played Overcooked? Yeah. That's my favorite is getting angry.

If you want to test the quality of your relationship with someone, of your communication skills, of your collaboration skills, you have to play over cooked with people. And if you are not, if you, you just, and then sometimes you have to break up with someone because it didn't work out based on how you play. You know, it's wild before I got engaged to her majesty. We, my, like one of my best friends put us on to Overcooked and I, like him and I grew up playing games together.

So like, we figured it out really quick because we had been playing like Nintendo, like switching the controller back and forth since we were like five years old. So it was easy to like hop into this. And then Her Majesty's like, oh, what game is this? I'm like, oh yeah, hop in, hop in. And the way I had to adjust my expectations

for someone who I've been gaming with since a child and like my partner who does not really game, it got wild, but we dialed in our communication so much that I was like, this is, we can make it. We can make it. We can make it. You can get married now. I love the genre of game like Mario Party

and Overcooked that could just ruin relationships. I think there needs to be more of those. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. June, what is something that you think is overrated? Something I think is overrated, and I chose this independently of before we were gonna talk about the tariffs and Curtis Yarvin,

but I think Curtis Yarvin, in particular, his writing and his quality of writing is insanely over overrated for someone who is like the intellectual of like the Anarcho-capitalist movement right now and like the near reactionaries I don't know if you've ever actually read any of his writing but oh my dude He is god awful at writing like i'm not a good writer like I am horrible at writing. There's a reason why I'm not a good writer. Like I am horrible at writing. There's a reason why I'm a good, I'm a good like shit, hosty, short form writer. I'm not like a good like article writer.

I don't do like, you know, 2000 word article when I was, when I was in college, my girlfriend at the time had to proofread and like ghost edit everything I wrote because I, you know, I'm just like my writing long form, it gets a little messy. But Curtis Yarvin, I'm better than that, dude. And like, I think most people are better than that, dude. And writing is dog shit. Boring. I think, you know, there is a behind the bastards episode, which I would encourage

people to check out if you need a primer for Curtis Yarvin. But June, give people a sort of, I guess there's so much you can say about Curtis Yarvin. But what would be your log line for people who are like, when they say who is Curtis Yarvin? Such as me, I might say that. June is about to break it down for you. June, break it down for us. You did. Yeah. So this is a guy that he continues,

and this is a guy that went under my radar for a long time, and I think continues to because he's not really talked about in the media. He's not really acknowledged in any way. So people are just like, oh, he's people make the mistake of, oh, he's just some like online weirdo. He's not important to focus on. But he's not just an online weirdo. He is much like many of us. But he is a particular type of weirdo who is like genuinely like he is a neat, he calls himself neo reactionary. He is essentially what amounts to, I guess, a right wing economic theorist. And he has very close ties to Peter teal who is, you know, very close friends with Trump, Musk, runs here. Yeah, JD Vance.

He owns JD Vance. He owns genuinely.ance, yeah. Right. He owns genuinely. Yeah. He owes his entire career to him, basically. But he is like an anti-democracy, anti-freedom, what he wants is to destroy the US government and most governments through his theory called the butterfly revolution and his rage theory. So basically, long story short, he wants to destroy democratic governments in favor of creating small city state like technocracies run by people like Peter Thiel and Elon Musk. A CEO basically as the figurehead and leader. And he basically wants it to like, you have to opt into different zones.

So you could like free movement to like, Oh, I'm sick of living in the Elon Musk zone. I want to move to the Peter Thiel zone. He basically what it amounts to, I think the easiest way to put it is he just wants pure global anarcho capitalism. Yeah, yeah. And they're on their way. I mean, you look at it right now, it's, it's in happening in real time. We have Elon Musk acting as the CEO of America, uh, making wild cuts, destabilizing the government because of other huge part of it is like accelerationism too, is that they're like, we need everything to fucking crumble and die so people are ready for a just cataclysmic societal change.

That's what's super relevant with, with all of this is it does seem like the powers behind Trump's second term are all believers in the butterfly revolution and the destroying the economy government to get us to that point. That is like it's playing out in front of us like his area. If you take a take a read of his butterfly revolution from 2022, it's, it's kind of scary how it's all lining up on track on rice. Also, how dare he be smirked the good name of butterfly. Yeah.

I love butterflies. I studied biology in college. I love the monarch. I love, you know, milkweed. I love the connection between the, the like milkweed and monarch butterflies. He is shaming the beautiful creature. Truly. What a fuck.

All right. Look, we're going to talk about this. We're going to take a quick break and we're going to get into the tariffs because even though these people think they're smart, I think they're doing the dumbest version of the dumb thing they're trying to do even. I feel like there are other ways to bring a total economic collapse I guess of the world markets, but we're doing it in this weird car salesman way with discount rates and shit. It's... Car dealerships have full control.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. And we are back. So Liberation Day came and went. It was April 2nd, a day that will live in infamy for sure. Well, I mean, every fucking day at this point is. Do you feel liberated? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel liberated from all of the stocks that I had. And that I look at all, I look at my stock portfolio and I'm like, what happened?

It is one thing where again, like right now, a lot of people are like, you know, we have a very healthy economy. It's like you have a very healthy stock market. Like, if we're talking about dollars and cents, and how working people get, you know, around their day to day lives, we do not have a healthy economy by any stretch of the imagination of rampant inequality. But anyway, if you look at Liberation Day, there was this

whole thing he was like, these are reciprocal tariffs, because America, we're tired of being used and abused by the world, you know, leaning on countries with predatory loans from the IMF and then making, making them open up military bases that we run on their land. We are such victims all the time. It's, it's, it's terrible. It's terrible. It's horrible when we spread our ideology to the people of all these other countries. It's having some power for capitalism. It's terrible. It's terrible. It's horrible when we spread our ideology to the people of all these other countries.

Having some power for capitalism is horrible. You know how hard it is killing like socialist revolutionaries in Latin America? Like we had to create like a whole school to train people how to do it. And like it costs like one million dollars. Fuck. Oh my God. So fucking hard. They keep taking advantage of this. They get up so early. God. Anyway, so the early to do it. I think it's so early.

God. Anyway, so the reciprocal tariffs are meant again, because it's all through. I think the first layer is like they're trying to sell it, especially to conservatives, as this is America taking back its power. And so we're talking about it's reciprocity. They're they're fucking us over. Therefore, we have to fuck them over. But really, they're crashing the economy.

us over, therefore we have to fuck them over, but really they're crashing the economy. So for starters, he's putting tariffs just on two islands that aren't even inhabited by human beings. I didn't even know they existed. I never heard of this. I had no disrespect to this island that has no human beings on it, and no disrespect to the penguins and shit, but the herd and McDonald islands, I thought that was a joke. Like I was like herd and McDonald. I'm like, what? Amber herd and Michael McDonald have their own islands. No, they sit like between Australia and South Africa.

It takes days to get there by boat. No one lives there. So, but again, keep the penguins in your thoughts because you know, they, they're probably not going to be able to export anything to the United States anymore. They look beautiful though. I love snow. They look gorgeous.

They look beautiful islands. It looks like Mount Fuji as an island. Yeah, we don't have to punish nature. They're beautiful. Howard Lutnick shows up with a fucking stick and he's like, hey, come up off your money. Some have suggested that the islands were included because the tariff list was thrown together using like a cursory Wikipedia search of like. World's nations.

That's one theory. Another is they went by what domain names exist for different countries and just went, okay, everything that has a specified domain, that's a country and we are going to have to go after them. Other people are like, yeah, Occam's razor, maybe say is probably the CIA fact book that feels like maybe like the white house is Wikipedia, because that is one of the places where they list these, you know, these two islands. Um, but really the, beyond like the stupidity of like where these tariffs

are being levied, like one was like on a military base. You're like, what? Understand the American government is taxing a US military base in another country, which is insane. Like that has to, that cannot be intentional. And look, we're using AI, so we're going to break a few eggs here. Just grok it. Yeah. Right.

So it reminds me of that time. Do you remember when, gosh, I'm going to get the details wrong probably, but Trump booked an event at the Four Seasons, but it was actually a car mechanic or something that was just called the Four Seasons? Four Seasons Total Landscaping is what it was. That was the day I think Giuliani was dripping paint off his face. He was the tan. He was dripping paint off his face. He was like the tan.

He was dripping his hand off. It was the beginning of the stop the steal thing in the dumbest fashion. He thought it was a Four Seasons and it was Four Seasons total landscaping. And then it became the Libs' favorite shirt. I'm guilty. I did get one for Christmas. But it's giving that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Not very talked about much today, but I do love how Donald Trump was just like, ah fuck Giuliani Left him in the dust. He's in this current administration Sacrificed up on the altar Yeah, yeah Dude, Giuliani doesn't have shit every time I read about him He's like crying in court about how he has nothing anymore and he's like, what do you want me to do? Trump has no loyalty to his biggest supporters. No loyalty.

It's kind of hilarious. This is, and we'll get to that too, because I think, cause this is part of a much larger picture of these tariffs. So the tariffs themselves, another bit of an issue here, because they are called reciprocal tariffs, but then they're like, they're actually discounted. If you look at some of the, the, the the the the the graphic cards that he was holding up, he was sort of saying like, okay, these are the tariffs charged to the you like, all first of all, all these numbers on there are absolutely

foolish and made up. Like they're not based on anything real, as many people have pointed out. The bigger thing here, though, is how did they even like, come up with this shit? Like, this just seems like arbitrary numbers. But a journalist, they used to write for the New Yorker, James Sirvetsky, I think I'm saying that right, reverse engineered the formula and basically said, the people in the White House took

each country's trade deficit and divided it by their exports to the United States and then did that by half. That's not really important. Yeah, what is an incredible way to do it. Yeah. But yeah, like so which means that no actual tariffs were being calculated. Like that's the thing we need to think about here. It was just sort of what's the trade deficit and what is the amount the number of dollars that we're doing in terms of exports, imports, and it has not like the tariffs are not being incorporated into the calculation. And so others call it a more of a policy of surplus targeting. The numbers are so off

the 39% tariff that the EU supposedly charges on his little card sheet, according to the White House is like their own numbers. It's more than 10 times higher than the actual average weighted tariff charged by the EU. It's 2.7%. But we're calling it fucking 39%. It's like suicidal. It's like a suicidal tariff, essentially. Right. Yeah. Like what? Y'all buckle up. The White House has eventually, they're like, oh, yeah, we can show you our math. They're like, it wasn't what, y'all, I buckle up. The White House has eventually, like they're like, oh yeah, we can show you our math.

They're like, it wasn't, what you're saying, it was totally not done that way. You want to see our, like our approach? Here it is in simple mathematics, so the bunch of Greek letters, so it looks fancy, like fancy math. It's like scribbled on a napkin from a bar. And essentially, from what I understand,

it is exactly the same calculation. Exactly that. Exactly. There's Greek numbers, so it looks, I understand, it is exactly the same calculation. It's exactly that. Exactly. Except there's Greek numbers. So it looks, I think, to like the average person who like isn't like wonky about economics or anything, they're like, yeah, I mean, that's different than what that guy just said. I'm seeing a triangle and like a little backwards E or something. There's weird shit in there. That'll be smart stuff going on in the White House. But again, this has led to another thing that people are asking.

A big question here. Was this generated by artificial intelligence? Now, it seems like it was, right? Yeah. I mean, the White House hasn't confirmed it, but many people have looked into, asked chat GPT, Gemini, Claude, Grok, all these large language models, basically saying the prompt was, what is a quote, easy way to solve trade deficits

and put the US on an even playing speed, even playing field? Then it spit out the deficit divided by exports formulas that we just talked about right now. So people were like, Oh, what's this? What's the math here exactly? What are we getting at? Um, the one thing credit to Gemini, it did caution that the quote, real world economic implications of this suggestion are quote, far more complex and could

lead to substantial negative consequences. Even the fucking AI knows they're like, look, man, I don't know what the fuck I'm saying, but I do know that this is dangerous if you try to do this in real life. I'm out. I think there's just a sign of what's to come though with, maybe in particular with the right-wing governments. There's been a lot of people that have done a lot of interesting pieces recently,

I can't name one off the top of my head, but of how AI and AI-generated art is the new aesthetic of fascism, and how these people, these far right-wingers love just like slop generated content and text and all of this stuff. They are taking full advantage of this for the destruction of all of us basically. I mean, that's a good point because we were just talking the other day about how they all attack the concept of empathy.

And that's, that's like fundamental to get people to be all in on just fucking attacking people, marginalized people, and eventually just their neighbors. It's like, if there's no such thing as empathy, then you'll, there's no need to consider what the experience is like for another human being on earth. But then that also, I feel like is a huge part of making good art, is like you need that ability to like express something deeper. And AI is like, to your point, June, that's the perfect way because these people have no fucking empathy, but they want to make art or whatever.

They do view artists and writers and comedians and all these people as like the cool kids. There's a reason why I feel like they idolize comedians and view them as like their thought leaders. I don't know if you know who Asmongold is. Yeah, of course. Of course, Katelyn. I am a thought leader. It's so true.

You are the thought leader of this podcast. Yeah, I've encountered Asmongold's content on YouTube a couple of times, yes. There was a recent clip of him when the Studio Ghibli variants from ChatGPT were coming out, like those art creations. And he was talking about, like he was showing some of them and being like, artists, real artists, he said, are going to have to get real jobs soon. He was like bloating that artists, like physical actual real artists were going to suffer because of AI art and how like good it's getting, how efficient

it's getting at creating something that passes as art. And people like this relish in the destruction of like, I think for a long time, groups of people that were viewed as like the cool kids, like artists, writers. And I think that's why they're going all in on this because they can destroy art and take control of it for their own that lets them have another vector of efficient propaganda for themselves. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, it's just so funny too, like they don't realize it's all derived from

human creativity, so it has a ceiling in terms of like what it can actually do in terms of creating something that's novel or new. Cause right now, are you being like, yeah, sure. You did 9-11 Ghibli. Okay. Like average capitalism. We all asked for. Yeah.

Yeah. We're so obsessed with 9-11. I don't think we're ever going to forget. Yeah. Well, no, I no. My friend was talking, he has a Gen Z skater neighbor, and he's like, dude, I feel so uncool when I see these dudes hanging outside. I started talking to them.

He was saying how these guys, they're so into 9-Eleven. Just as a vibe, as an aesthetic. They go to a 9-E-11 party that they go to. Like, holy shit, like a club night. And I was like, and I feel bad for my Titanic show that I'm putting on. Yeah, no, no, no. Look, don't don't feel bad. There was someone someone at your show be like, too soon, too soon.

That was 1912 given. Come on now. Come on now. America has been or has been 14. 1914 or was 19. No, No, wait. 1912. 1912. No, it was 19... You're so right. Because my grandmother was born two days before the Titanic sank.

And I remember her and she went... Her hundredth birthday was around the anniversary anyway. Yeah. You're so true. You're so true. I am so true. Thank you so much for recognizing that. Sorry, what were you saying, Ju? America hasn't even fallen to the terrace yet, and there is already a America has fallen

party I'm going to. So I think America just loves disasters. We love disasters. We love disasters because it helps us usher in new forms of authoritarianism, actually. It's the embrace of irony as like a replacement for like any emotion. Like I love irony. I love the veil of irony, but it gets to a point where we, I don't know, we use it to cover up actual like lack

of hope in this world, I feel like. Like the loss of like a genuine nature, I think leads to the embrace of a more insane irony. Yeah, totally. Damn, true words. You're so true too. You're so true too. That's the thing about you, Caitlin, you too. You're so true too. You're so true too. That's the thing about you.

Katelyn, you too. Everyone's so true on this show. This is too much. The truth is, they say, they say the truth is what? Out there? No. This right here on this show. The world has already responded to these

wacky ass tariffs. Mind you, these are going to cause so much pain for American people. Like if you, for people that are living, I said for people that are living paycheck to paycheck, we're looking at an average of $300 more a month you are going to need to find. That's what this means.

Cause it's a little abstract when people do percentages, but when you really break down what they say projected around $3,800 more for like most people, not most, or like, you know, that sort of weighted average, that's $300 extra a month. That's- And this is to be able to afford like groceries at an increased price. Because everything's gonna, because everything around you, the cost is gonna go up. Yeah, yeah. It's gonna take a second, but it will. And and when it does that's when we're gonna really see some terrible terrible outcomes The world is already beginning to respond like the EU is basically saying like, okay

So yeah, y'all want to fuck around like we're not about to get fucked around by Trump and we are gonna launch reciprocal tariffs we have we have plenty of countermeasures that we are going to deploy the German Economic minister had this to say, quote, that is what I see that Donald Trump will buckle under pressure that he corrects his announcements under pressure. But the logical consequence is that he then also needs to feel the pressure. And this pressure now needs to be unfolded from

Germany from Europe in the Alliance with other countries. And then we will see who is the stronger one in this arm wrestle. So just so you know, because Trump's whole thing, a lot of people are painting this as like it's a racket, like it's a protection scheme because this is a way Trump can extract further concessions out of other nations. But I do want to play this one clip where Howard Lutnick, who is the Commerce Secretary, he's on CNN. He was being asked on CNN like, okay, well, this is obviously, we all know logically,

we've all seen Ferris Bueller's day off, tariffs don't work, they're bad. So what can these countries do to potentially get right? And we don't have to completely fuck up the global economy. This is what Howard Lutnick has to say. So the European Union and China, they have already vowed to retaliate. At what point would the administration consider pulling back on tariffs, Nick has to happen. But the world should stop exploiting the United States of America. Let our farmers sell their products.

Let our ranchers sell their products. They won't take lobster in Europe or the UK. I mean, why won't they take American lobster? They do. They didn't for a while, but now they do. They don't. They don't. Because Downing's-

No, he just, you were just corrected, you asshole. But because then he was like, they don't take our beef. And then, and she was like, yeah, because of the hormones and stuff, they just have higher standards for what they feed people. Like, yeah, it's fucking whatever, you know. Do you think RFK, Maha, the Make America Healthy Again, would be all on board with those regulations

and those standards in the UK or in like the EU. Yeah, it turns out no. But again, we all know that Trump doesn't actually come up with these methodologies himself. Like he has a team of like ethno-nationalists and Curtis Yarvin loving techno-fascists and Argo Cal. Like all these fucking people that surround, who make their way into the inner orbit

and whisper these sweet little nothings into his ear, but frame it in a way that appeals to his sense of revenge or whatever. And like, this could be the way, maybe we should try something like this. Part of me is wondering, like, because, you know, we've seen how Peter Thiel has been just lurking on the sidelines, getting people like JD Vance into the vice presidency, getting Elon Musk, and like just bringing Silicon Valley closer to like basically the executive branch and melding them into one thing. I'm like, is this the plan that Peter Thiel and Elon like we're thinking of specifically when he was like, we got to fuck, we got to wreck the fucking economy to get this shit going? Or is it like Trump had the idea just

like how we saw when clearly like when Putin's like, you got to fucking figure out how I'm going to beat Ukraine. And he's like, fuck this guy. And we're turning our backs on him. And he's like, dude, that's too obvious. Like don't fucking do it like that. I actually do think this is the plan. Because what's his name? I think his first name is Scott Besson.

The Treasury Secretary. He has been like posting like, this is what we want. This is the exact reaction we expected. This is just the beginning. Like these people are all in on this. The people that are surrounding Trump right now are, and I'm not even like, I'm not trying to say this in an inflammatory or exaggerated fashion. They are anarcho-capitalists that are essentially running the economic policy of this second Trump term. So I do think this shock to the economy is genuinely, I believe, the plan. This is maybe it's not the way they intended to roll it out.

But I do think this is their first step to really getting us to that point that they want to. The next thing is going to be to downgrade America that point that they want to the next thing is gonna be to Downgrade America's credit standing, you know, that's the next hurdle that we're gonna cross and is gonna really I think Show people that this is very much intentional and this is the road to the butterfly revolution What a fucking nice name for that. I know it sounds beautiful. It's it's so deceiving. Yeah, they love their yeah Yeah, I hate that It's so indignified saying that and then what the butterfly revolution is is oh, we're gonna destroy every like the entire world basically

Yeah, I mean we'll see what happens here. This is gonna be a Girl, we have unfortunately we have front-row seats to the shit show and that's the thing is it has anyone really started yet? I don't remember who said this, but like, you know, right now all we're feeling is like the stock market collapse. And to an extent that money is fake, the stock market isn't real. But someone, I wish I remember who said this, said that the stock market might not be real, but the layoffs and economic hardship from that will be real.

So it will be hard very soon, probably. Because you think about how publicly traded companies balance their books. And one big thing is like, well, we need to cut costs. And that'll make the shareholders happy. And maybe we can start correcting it from here. But it's also wow to see people so many, like the vibes on like Bloomberg TV, CNBC, all these shows where they're just like, I see the BC one dude was like, this is actually like worse than the worst case scenario that like even we thought.

If they could, they would have a gun to their own head on television. Right. That's what it feels like. The vibe. Because they really look like they're like, but this was our sacred God, the stock market. But the last time you were in office, we all made a ton of money. And then, this isn't the thing. I mean, he said they've been saying this.

There's going to be some pain before things get better. That wasn't just because they were talking about that's why the egg prices aren't going down. I'm talking about the larger picture here, which is there's going to be some real financial hardship. So we'll see where this goes. Don't I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. Who knows? It's too soon to tell. Too soon to tell. But just a little bit of perspective here would seem like it's going to be pretty difficult. It is wild to get like emails already from like fucking like online stores are like hey just because the tariffs are going up doesn't mean

our prices have to and I'm like are y'all fucking stupid this shit's gonna look so stupid in like a few months but okay and there's still some true believers that are like oh this is part of the plan 5d chess I know the plan trust the plan oh man you chess. Watch the plan. Trust the plan. Oh, man. You better learn a trade. You better learn to grow some food. All right. Time to go to the sock factory. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back to talk about some more fun things

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Find it on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. Uh, Bill Burr, he has been getting a lot of attention recently, uh, because he's, you know, says funny shit and is mean to Elon Musk and hates billionaires. So that, that's kind of getting people's attention. But recently he was at this Kennedy Center event where Conan O'Brien was getting the Mark Twain Prize, and these journalists really tried to do this thing where they wanted to kind of poke the beehive and try and get a quote out of them and maybe

some news. And Bill Burr, I mean, credit to him, he knew exactly what the fuck was going on. And it's just this is just I just want to play this exchange because it's very interesting to see how like the media was going to try and get a little bit more sort of stuff that they like try and maybe paint his words or his worldview is being like, I mean, look at look at what he said. He's crazy. He's off the mark. He said, Elon Musk is a laminated face with hair plugs cunt. That's so terrible. So here is Bill Burr on the red carpet just trying to support Conan O'Brien and he gets hit with, hey man, what about Luigi Mangione?

What's your reaction to Luigi Mangione? Is reading up, you know, that perhaps you've been supportive of what he did. What is your take on that? If you were reading up, I don't think you read up on it. Because I said what I felt about it and I said what a lot of people said. Some people took it that way. So could you clarify what you did? No, I'm not going to just have some controversial moments so you can get clicks. I'm not doing that.

I'm here for Conan. I'm not doing all of this. What are you going to bring up next? The Middle East? I went to summer school, three out of four years in high school. I'm not qualified to talk about this. What do you think about global warming? You said about Elon that he was ruining Earth, I saw, in The View.

You're critical of him. What do you think of all the boycotts, even the violence that's going on in Tesla? I don't watch the news. I have no idea what's going on. I watch Instagram. I watch people wipe out on motorcycles. I watch lions and hyenas fight each other. This is the things that I do. And I don't think you should be asking a comedian. You're a journalist. Well, comedians are on top of current events.

You're a, no, no. That's weak. That's you guys passing the buck. You guys need to have balls again, which you don't. You guys always go, should we be thinking this? You guys present stuff like that. You see guys who have balls. You need to get your balls back. And it's not my job. I am a dancing clown. God, he's so real for that. Like, I respect that so much. Because like I just mentioned

earlier, that like so many people look at comedians as like the prophets of today's ages. Yeah. Having a perspective that surely no one else can, but they're trying to catch them up with that. Because he's straying away from like the right wing version of that, where like Joe Rogan sits down, all right, today we will, today we will learn about how vaccines are killing everyone.

Right. And people clap like seals. Right. Exactly. And I think the other, it's funny too, all the comments, this is a clip from Twitter, like the comments underneath are a mix of people like, there's my king and other people like, dude, he's compromised. You had that page, the Twitter page up, I saw that reply that said something about like, oh, he might not be a George Carlin fan. It's like, I'm sorry, not to be like a

George Carlin lover, but like one of George Carlin's most famous bits was about how he was ready and excited for the destruction of the entire world. George Carlin would be loving the era we live in right now. He would be going out being like, thank God, thank God these capitalist pigs are destroying everything. And like going mask off for everyone to see it. Yeah. Yeah. It is. Yeah. I mean, Bill Burr continues to, to, to say that shit.

It's funny to just see like, again, how just merely again, his, cause what he's saying isn't necessarily like novel in the sense like no one has said these things, but it's that he's connecting his sense of outrage and his sort of comedic perspective on how absurd and obscene the inequality is around us and our lack of ability to contend with any of it and the absurdity or like the capitulation of media, et cetera. Just, he's like, just brings it all together for a lot of people. Like, yeah, that's right. That's this is, this is something.

So we will see, I feel like the Democrats are going to be like, do we, do we get Bill Burr to run, but no, he's,r to run? But no, he would never do that. He would never do it. No, no, but I'm saying like, when you think about how lazy the thinking is, like I saw something where they're like, Adam 22 needs to be the new Joe Rogan of the left. I was like, okay, wow.

We're really just, again, the lesson for Democrats after this election was, we need to find a podcaster. That was like, it's not I'm honored that they think that yeah, and you should be too. But but it's but I'm like, no, motherfuckers, you need to blow up the status quo and stand for something in opposition to the status quo, because that's the thing that people are fucking responding to not a podcaster. That's the thing that people are fucking responding to, not a podcaster, absolute buffoons. But again, they're here to maintain that. So anyway, let's move on. I asked everybody, gave a little homework to Caitlin in June. I said, look, we got a movie trailer I want to talk about for the film, Primitive War.

The trailer just dropped for it. And we have to, look, let me first give people the log line about this. I know up top I teased a non-war about dinosaurs. This is the log line or the paragraph that used to describe this film. Quote, set in Vietnam in 1968, what a big year to set this in the Vietnam War.

The primitive war movie will follow a search and rescue team known as Vulture Squad sent to an isolated jungle valley to reveal the fate of a missing green beret platoon as they hunt through the primordial depths of the valley and the casualties mount the vulture squad members must embrace their savage instincts to survive the horrors they face interesting, including the ultimate apex apex predators.

Americans Oh, no dinosaurs. Okay. So that's really convenient that dinosaurs dinosaurs were the the true villains of this war. That was the first thing that struck me so we all watched the trailer yeah and I was like this is a weird reframing of a such a bad conflict that is so on its face backwards and just unjustifiable but then they're like but then they got then they got fucked up by the dinosaurs so then maybe we're back on their sides. Um, who is that?

Even just like a reframing of entirely what happened. Of course it's like fictional and all of that, but I still love at the end of the day that the true victims of this war were not the people that we, the Americans invaded, but the Americans. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's like they're the victims. They were not by the dinosaurs. Not the mom people or the people of Laos, where tons and tons of munitions were just dropped like a fucking drop like a bomb drop off on their way back from doing bombing runs. No, no, no. It's these Americans. It's Jeremy Piven with a bad southern accent. Caitlin, what's what's your take on seeing this mashup of Tigerland and Jurassic Park?

Thank you so much for asking. This is my time to shine as a thought leader. Yes, thought leader and film expert. Yes. And a master degree have her in cinema. It seems to me as though someone wants- I love this windup. It seems to me as though-

I'll go on. I'm excited. I'm an intellectual. Yeah, for sure. An academic, if you will. A thought leader, yeah. It feels like someone watched Godzilla minus one and was like, Wonderful movie. Great movie.

Got the complete rocker chair. And they're like, okay, that, but let's change it a little bit. It'll be the Vietnam War instead of World War II. It'll be dinosaurs instead of Godzilla. Americanify it. Right, right, right. And then they made that. And you know, I, A plus filmmaking, I think.

Yeah. The shot with the knife in the velociraptors. I like, I can't lie. That's kind of, that was gangster. Yeah. I'm that it's so fucking wacky that I'm like, I kind of, I might check it out. I might check it out. So it's like the perfect slop pure. Yeah.

And a lot of an adulterated beautiful slop. Yeah. It's actually, I didn't realize this is based on existing IP. There's a book that came out. It's based on a book that the director options. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But apparently, so this is being released in July, which not coincidentally is also when Universal is putting out Jurassic World Rebirth. So look, we might have a Barbenheimer summer with I don't know, I mean, they're always trying to make this happen. I don't know how we match these two, but.

What's it called? Primitive war, Jurassic world, war, world, war of the worlds. Jurassic, Jurassic war of the primitive worlds. 2025, the year of the dinosaur. Yes. Let's yes, exactly. Let's put it, let's yeah. Okay.

Let's run that by Hollywood because we do have their number. Um, and we'll just see what they think. But yeah, this is going to be, this is like, they're, they're calling it a mock buster. Um, I hadn't heard that term before. I haven't either. What is that? Caitlin, have you heard this term before?

No, but I see where it's going. Yeah. Cause they're like, clearly they're not trying to say this is, like, we saw the production quality, it's less than big budget studio, but they're doing it. But it's not horrible. It's not like B-movie slop. Right, because they are getting, like, they're using a lot of visual effects techniques, like this sort of VFX studio, like how they did for a lot of Disney shows where it's all

projected behind them. Like clearly you can tell there's a lot of blue screen and stuff like that. But yeah, this mock buster sort of thing is interesting. Cause then I clicked on another article about how this is kind of like becoming like a burgeoning sort of like lane where people are like lending, like people from star Wars worked on another movie. This director did that had Ken Jong in it that I had never heard of before. It was called Occupation Rainfall. Never heard of it. But it only cost like $16 million to make. And then it made money back from it, even though

no one really heard about it. And people were like, oh, this is an interesting lane where you can kind of turn a profit without Spending all your money and trying to do all this big budget shit. Did it get a theatrical release in the US like I don't know where like export it to like It must be like on streaming or some shit, you know what I mean? I have no idea but it apparently people watch it I am like Temera Morrison is in it who you who plays Jango Fett and was Boba Fett and all the Star Wars shit. But anyway.

Is the Machbuster like a natural evolution of like the early 2000s to like early 2010s era of like weird parody films where they were like kind of not super serious. Everyone knew they weren't super serious, but they were still taken seriously as movies. Is this like the next era of that? Is that like what it what it is saying? Yeah. I think it's basically this gave way to the B movie also that we're informed by blockbuster films that then they're just going to draft off of, and

then be like, hey, what about this kind of thing? Someone who recently rewatched cinematic masterpiece snakes on a plane. Yes. Yes. Yes. Go on. I feel like there's, there's some correlation there. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Cause like there's, there's like also other ones, like this, uh, there was like a, a Mrs. Doubtfire sort of send up that was called, uh, wanted perfect father.

Uh, yeah. And also that rocks. sort of send up that was called Wanted Perfect Father. Yeah. And also, yeah. Then have you heard of Tatainic? No, no. Tell me it's a film. These films are from the Philippines that are using there's like a Filipino version. That's where the Mrs. Doubtfire Perfect Wanted Perfect Father came from. And then there's a Titanic parody also from the Philippines. And they also have

Bobo cop a parody of Robo cop. How do you spell the Titanic one? I need to watch this immediately. I can't believe I didn't. T A T A Y N I C. There's not It's not even hyperlinked in the Wikipedia article, but I'm sure we can ask Brian, the editor, who has found many obscure films for us that we've tried to watch to locate this one for us too. Kaitlin, the way your face just immediately went to your computer,

from like, I must find this now. What is this? I thought, because there are so many bad either like knockoff kind of Titanic sequel, cause there's Titanic two, there's Titanic six, six, six. There's a bunch of animated movies that came out in the late nineties. They're like Italian or something?

Yeah, there's like all, Legend of Titanic is one of them. And then I think that was the sequel. The Legend of Titanic, is that the one with like the mouse? The mouse, yeah. I saw that in high school and I was blown away. Like one of my friends was like, you got to check this shit out. It's one of the most astonishingly like bad, but like good because it's so bad.

So of course you remember Tentacles, the giant octopus. Not to spoil Legend of Titanic listeners, but here's what happens. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I do owe a debt of responsibility to the listener. This is a spoiler alert. Yes. Just so you know, if you need to skip ahead, skip ahead two minutes so you don't ruin. What is Titanic 2?

You said? Legend of Titanic. Sorry, Legend of Titanic. The animated feature from, I think, 1998. Okay, go ahead. It is a story in which, I mean, lots of stuff happens. It's a rich text. It's very packed, yeah.

It's a rich text. But the climax is basically Titanic strikes the iceberg, it breaks in half, all the classic stuff. But there's an enormous octopus named Tentacles, and he uses his tentacles to put the Titanic back together, and he saves everyone. Pete Slauson Oh, it's a very positive film. And if I remember correctly, there's like a wonderful like music sequence. It's like a film for everyone, basically, is what you're trying to say. Exactly. Exactly. Oh, wow. Wow. Wow. Fantastic.

So I know we've just blown you away. I where can I find that? Where do I watch that? YouTube.com. Oh, it's a YouTube hit. Oh, shit. I'm pretty sure it's still there. That's why I'm having that. Those are the best. The best movies, though, for real, are on fully on YouTube.

It's not a good movie unless the whole thing is on YouTube without ads. That's not true. Or it's broken up into 16 clips. That's fine because I was earlier back in the day when you had to string together. There's a 10-minute time limit on YouTube. Remember that? Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. Not anymore. Not when I just now listen to What Is Love,

the 10-hour loop version. Kids these days, they don't understand how hard consuming video was. No, no. Now shit's just popping up on their servers or whatever the fuck they're using these days. It's on your damn phone in your dang little pocket. You can pull that up. It's everywhere. Any time. Yeah. Spoiled privilege. Speaking as a Gen Alpha child, me, myself. Yeah, I guess I didn't really know what it was like.

Canonically, Gen Alpha. Yes. Yeah. In my head, Ken, and you are Gen Alpha. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Well, June, thank you so much for joining us on the Daily Zeitgeist.

Where do the people find you, follow you, support you, read all that. Just experience your genius. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Thank you for having me on. This is so much fun. You can find me on, I'm primarily on Blue Sky these days. You can find me at June L. Perr dot beer. So that's J-U-N-L-P-E-R dot beer. And you can also find me on the Western Kabuki podcast. We're basically just a podcast about what's going on online. We talk about politics, gaming, and the gamer gate world.

So we cover the politics around that. We talk about crypto and tech type stuff. And we just have a few different series that we do. One of our fan favorites is the worst post bracket that we do quarterly. So we're just kind of like a show about just whatever, whatever we want. It's a comedy show. So you can find me there as well. Fantastic.

Fantastic. Now, is there a tweet or post some work of media social or otherwise that you're enjoying? Um, so that I'm enjoying. Uh, so I have, I have this like sickness. Uh, it's, it's like poster brain. So when I'm really enjoying something online, it's usually because I'm just astonished at how insane it is. So I, this, this is RFK junior and like the whole make America healthy again.

Movement has become kind of a sideshow to all of the agonies going on in the world right now. But one of my favorite things to do right now is not just a single tweet, is to go on the Steak N Shake Twitter page because they really simply embraced the Make America Healthy Again and they got beef tallow instead of seed oils. So like that sphere is going crazy under steak and shake and steak and shake is really leaning into it. They're like doing like the fascist aesthetic. They're posting all sorts of like Elon Musk, Tesla type stuff. So I have like a

collection of different tweets. It's mostly the replies that I'm interested in. I love like genres of tweets and right now the genre of insane make America healthy again reply or to steak and shake so this is just so steak and shake says as of April 2nd we will begin using 100% grade a Wisconsin butter to replace the current buttery blend which contains seed oils this change will be made in all of our restaurants and someone replies, boy, y'all keep this up and I'm going to eat nothing but steak and shake. Please don't make a banana pudding

shake with real bananas. I'd get fat. And I just like, there's just something about like these people that are like, oh, we need to make America healthy again. And how do we do that? Make everyone go eat fast food only all the time. Exactly. And they like genuinely believe this. They're true believers. and I'm just fascinated by these people. I am in love with these reply sections. If you are ever bored, go to the steak and shake reply sections, any post. It doesn't even matter. It's just a bunch of people on that level.

Just speaking truth to power. And I got, I've, I've laughed so hard at some of these people. Wow. Oh my God. Yeah. It's like, it's so weird. It's like the replies. Cause I remember looking when I saw that like their, their logos kind of took on

a very third Reich vibe, like very obviously too. When you're like, yo, what are we doing? Steak and shake. Like, I mean, not what are we doing? Like, Oh, I see you steak and shake. Yeah. But yeah, like now I'm just looking at these replies. It's like, they almost feel like they're bots, but they're also like your brain.

People's brains are so cooked. They just sound like mindless automatons to who are just like it is. Like most of these people are real. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. God. Anyway, thank you for that, June. That's the stuff I enjoy is my drop. Yeah, I love that. I love that. Now, let me see. Caitlin Durante, what? Yeah. Where do the. I love that. Now, let me see.

Caitlin Durante, where do the people find you? Follow you, experience you, hear you, experience your genius, even engage with it if they would like to. Oh my gosh. Well, you can listen to the Bechdelcast. I would absolutely love that. It's the podcast that I co-host with Jamie Loftus and we talk about movies through an intersectional feminist lens. Obviously, we're going to cover,

what the fuck was it called? Primitive War? Oh, Primitive War, yeah. Got you. You have to. You simply must. I am doing those shows that I mentioned at the top of the episode in State College, Pennsylvania and New York in mid-April. I would love for people to come out to those.

You can find more information and tickets on my website at caitlindurante.com slash shows. And yeah, I teach screenwriting classes and stuff like that. So you can check out more information about that on my website as well. Follow me on Instagram. Those are most of the things.

Okay. Is there work of media, social or otherwise that you're enjoying? I haven't seen this yet, but I'm encouraging people to watch it. I have a ticket to see it on this Sunday, but the film, The Encampments, the documentary that is being released by Watermelon Pictures about the encampments, the documentary that is being released by Watermelon Pictures about the

encampments. I think specifically at Columbia University about the student protesters who gathered and are protesting Israel's genocide against Palestine. And yeah, so I am encouraging people to go check out that documentary at screening in different cities. In the next few days, it seems like there's a very limited release, but I'm hoping that the more people see it, the wider release it will get. If you go to watermelonpictures.com, you can find information about screenings and where those are and when they are. That's crazy. I was walking and someone offered me

free tickets to a documentary that Gal Gadot is premiering also in LA called Nothing to See Here, which I think can be pretty wild. It almost seems too real, doesn't it? Yeah. You're not joking. Is that real? No, no, no, no, no. Okay. It feels like the kind of thing that would happen

and it's so horrifying. The fact that you tricked me says a lot about society. I know, I know. So yeah, it was believable. And I'm not even AI. I'm not even AI, folks. I'm doing this with my own fucked up smooth brain over here, okay?

Imagine what AI can do. I mean, shit, it's probably gonna shit out a whole documentary. Anyway, you can tweet, I like so June, now that you, I was looking to the Steak and Shake Twitter and I found a fucking... It's the best account on Twitter right now. Found some gold. Found some gold. So apparently the Steak and Shake was doing like a Tesla Talo twofer. Like they were getting... The twofer, yeah.

Yeah. So what is that? Like if you own a a Tesla you get a deal or something or they were selling stuff at Tesla dealerships Yeah, I think there was like some partnership with Tesla. Yeah, okay So there's like a bunch of happy freaks holding fast food in front of cyber trucks in this photo And there's this one is replies from at Tesla Lisa, but the SSR five. It says I specifically drove my Cybertruck 40 minutes each way parenthetical. Well, the truck drove me and I just sat there today to visit your location in Englewood, Colorado. The food was excellent and the staff was

very friendly. Thank you for supporting us. You gained a customer then underneath at Brandon TSLA tweeted when restaurant in LA Seriously, I am not joking. I've spent at least like at least a couple hours just going through all of those There's some like absolute gems Steak and shake they have the best Twitter right now. They could they've collected all the freaks. I'm yeah at least a couple hours just going through all of those. There's some absolute gems. Steak and Shake, they have the best Twitter right now. They've collected all the freaks on Twitter. Yeah, totally.

My favorite, another person replied, my favorite timeline. What? Shit, y'all. Life is about to come at some of us real fast, but credit to the people that have been bracing themselves for a moment. Anyway, you can find me at milesofgrave,

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It became habitual. Okay, we've been doing this like seven years now. But you can go to the description of this episode right now in your podcast app. And then you can scroll around you look for the footnote for notes. Thank you, Caitlin, which is where we're gonna link off to the articles we talked about other information that will help you know, guide your understanding maybe about Curtis Yardman and the butterfly revolution. And we also link off to a song

that we think you might enjoy. I'm going to suggest today a track called Cocaine Turkey by the producer Milch, M-I-L-C-H. It's from this album called Soulphi 2. And it's kind of like lo-fi tracks, but like mixed with like sort of like R&B, 80s R&B samples. It to me feels less lo-fi, more like vapor wave.

But if vapor wave was using mostly like R&B in like 80s or like soul, like just kind of that aesthetic rather than like the fully, fully vapor wave type of vapor wave. But that's the energy, it's spooky. That's what I, the good vapor wave makes me feel like I'm in a haunted mall. This-

It's called cocaine turkey? This track that we're going out is called cocaine turkey. In relation to cocaine bear? I don't know. Makes you think. I don't know, but we might have another movie. We might have to talk about cocaine turkey. So are you on like the, that like dark wave,

like dark synth type shit? Yeah, I love that. Is that what it sounds like? Yeah. This is more like it's I mean, like they're sort of slowed down, sort soul and RMB samples and like with like reverb and it's like definitely getting like compressed and crushed in other ways to make it give it a little more texture and grit to it. But all the tracks are like on a minute and 40 to like two and a half minutes. So that's what I'm saying. Check out the album soul fight too and just let it play and I'm sure it'll do something to your brain in a good way in a good way in a good way. Okay. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. So for more podcasts from my heart radio visit the iHeartRadio.com podcast wherever you get the podcast for free. That's going to do it for us this week. Yeah, what a week. And we will be back Monday, but also check out this weekend where you will

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