The Daily Zeitgeist - Vladimir, STAAHP! Oscar Voters Getting SCREWED 04.25.25

Episode Date: April 25, 2025

In episode 1853, Jack and Miles are joined by the co-host and Executive Producer of X-Ray Vision, Rosie Knight & Joelle Monique, to discuss… At Least Less People Are Down For Trump’s BS…, Vladimir STAAAAHHHP, The Academy Just Realized That Oscar Voters Should Probably Watch The Oscar Nominees and more! At Least Less People Are Down For Trump’s BS… The Academy Just Realized That Oscar Voters Should Probably Watch The Oscar Nominees 'Were they just voting on vibes?’: Oscars’ new compulsory viewing rule sparks backlash Films made with AI can win Oscars, Academy says LISTEN: Persuasive (with SZA) by Doechii WATCH: The Daily Zeitgeist on Youtube! L.A. Wildfire Relief: Displaced Black Families GoFund Me Directory See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hello. How's it going? Good. How are you guys? No yawning, Rosie. No yawning. Come on. No yawning.

Wow, policing the yawns. NYZ, no yawning zone. Guys, I was having a little nap while you stood up so the yawns are alright. That was a full 12 minutes. We have plenty of time. I'm just doing a lot of yawning. Okay, I'm doing a lot of yawning. I'm just into yawning.

I'm just into yawning. I'm just into yawning. I'm just into yawning. I'm just into yawning. I'm just into yawning. I'm just into yawning. I'm just into yawning. I'm just into yawning.

I'm just into yawning. I'm just into yawning. I'm just into yawning. I'm just into yawning. I'm just full 12 minutes. We have plenty of time. I'm just doing a lot of yawning. Okay, I'm doing a lot of yawning. I'm just into yawning in 2025. This show is pretty boring for the guests and we're using figured because they do yawn while we're talking. So I brought that into this. You know what I appreciate? I appreciate the rule.

Now I understand the depth behind it. I'm sorry. I'm a fragile male podcast. Well, those words are redundant. I'm a male podcast. I'm a male podcast. You're just a guy. I'm a male podcast.

Just a guy who makes you feel kind of... I'm just a guy standing here in front of a girl. Please don't fucking yawn. Don't fucking yawn. Hey, not the first time. Not the first time. Why are you yawning at me? Stop yawning at me!

I'm trying to tell you something really important. I'm just yawning. Sometimes they're not yawning at you. You're just like, you're just like waiting for your wife to wake up and yawn just so you can yell at her. Stop yawning at me! You're boring, I'm not. Oh, what are we yawning at today?

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This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into American shared consciousness. Ever heard of it? American shared consciousness? Nope. Yeah. I'm unconscious. Oh no. Yeah, yeah.

I try to be. It's much easier, much easier. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I try to be it's much easier much easier. Yeah. Yeah, just Kind of sleepwalking just a mix of fast food and cannabis, you know That's how I reach the next plane Not storing memories It is Friday April 25th 2025 Yes, it's The double two five. This won't happen again for another 375 years.

Okay. It might happen next month. It might happen again next month. Sorry, what's wrong? I don't know. Hey, you never know. The world might end. So you might be right.

That's true, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's also, but actually today, April 25th is National Historic Marker Day. So, you know, pay respect to those historic markers you see on the road that are like, here is the, this place where history has taken place. National Hug of Plumber Day, National Hairball Awareness Day for all you feline fans. Those are related.

Hug of Plumber because of the hairballs in my shower. Oh yeah, this is for cats. This is more for cats, hairballs. Yes, yes, yes. A health concern. Is it the hairballs in my shower? Oh yeah, this is for cats. This is more for cats, hairballs. Yes, yes, yes, a health concern. National DNA Day, National Arbor Day, shout out trees, National Zucchini Bread Day, National Telephone Day. Do we even use telephones like that anymore? Oh yeah, constantly.

I'm just always at my corner, waiting for the payphone to ring, you know? Remember, you ever see that happen in old movies? It's like, how is that the plan? Yeah. That you're going to get a call on that public phone? Yeah. I used to know the payphone number at my elementary school.

Amazing. Because that was the fun thing, is have some fun calling. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. We had a dorm that I lived in, there was a public phone that your parents would just call, and people would be like, come find me.

They're like, Jack, it's for you. Exactly. History is crazy, kids. Jack, pick up the phone. Anyway, also the hairballs in my shower are also a health hazard. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Good. Don't clog your drains. My name is Jack O'Brien, AKA JD went and killed the Pope.

JD went and killed the Pope. JD went and killed the Pope. JD went, you kind of can see where it's going from there. That one courtesy of Gerald Dean Rice on the Discord. Super producer Victor sent this article to the chat yesterday. Did you guys see the quote from JD Vance? Uh, when asked about being one of the last officials to meet with the Pope, he's like, I thought a lot about that.

Actually. It's pretty crazy. Obviously when I saw him, I didn't know that he had less than 24 hours still on this earth. It's like, JD, that's in fact, that's so obvious. You feeling the need to say it makes me want to take another look at that assumption. Right. Right. Right.

You didn't know he had less than 24 hours. I didn't realize my skin would burn when I touched him though. I wasn't expecting that. Didn't know he would gasp and say, I've never seen such evil before and fall into a deep coma. Crazy dog. Anyways, my life is like a movie dog. It's a movie dude.

Thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. It's Miles Gray. When Zeitgeist was in podcast land. Oh no. Let us fucking go. Contractions nor they shall not stand. Let us fucking go.

Shout out Halcyon Salad. Cause yeah, we don't fuck with contractions and it sounds better when you say, let us fucking go. So let us, let us, let us please. Shall we? Anyway, Halcyon Salad. Thanks for that one. And apologies for my Louis Armstrong impression, but sometimes you got to dust

off the old vocal cords. I mean, I feel like that is putting a time limit on your podcasting career, whatever it takes to do that. That feels like that hurts. No, it's great. It's great. It's great. It's no problem. It's annoying to everyone in my home though. Miles, we're thrilled to be joined by two of the people behind

the amazing Nerd Culture podcast, X-Ray Vision, brilliantly talented executive producer and the award-winning host respectively. Please welcome Joelle Monique and Rosie Nye! Some people like to call us iHeart's home for fandom. That's us. We're the home for fandom. That's us. We're the home for the fans. Come and ask us. Yes.

We're talking about behind I heart's home for fandom. Hell, yeah. That's what some people are saying. Some are saying. Many are saying. Many are saying. You're right. Definitely many.

We're on the many cost now. Quite a few. Many have said their I Heart's home for fandom. Mm-hmm. How are you guys doing? What a time for fandom. What a time to be alive. We dubbed it IP McGeddon, because I couldn't...

We are in IP McGeddon right now. This is the best name I could come up with. No, you killed it with that. April to May has been wild. Last of Us and or Sin, Sinners, obviously, like Unbelievable, Smash It, very glad that came out. Just coming off of Daredevil and White Lotus. Just coming off of Daredevil, Born Again. Which we're considering very tough.

Suddenly you were saying Sinners and or The Last of Us. But you mean Andor. Andor. Oh, you know, if you wanna pick one or the other, that's also fine. Yes. And or the critically acclaimed Disney television program by Tony Tone's own Gilroy, the tones and found the tones.

So you've been taken to the tones. We're there every day. I love Michael Clayton. I love to get taken to the trust me. We're talking about Michael Clayton too much. One every week. In the podcast and in real life. Like me, Joel and Jason in one group chat,

you're going to be getting a Michael Clayton quote. That was the other pitched tagline for the show. We're talking about Michael Clayton maybe too much. People, many people say they are the home for too many Michael Clayton references. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, just I want to be, I just want to be offed like that dude and Michael Clayton. Yeah, I mean they take care of everything.

Put it out there to the universe, you know? The white glove treatment, I mean they just come in, they take care of you. Lay it down. Top to bottom, handle everything. We handle everything. You won't even know. Check their watch as your pulse is fading Yep, and there is one of the wildest see like that scene is written on my soul. Oh, yeah, so dark

It's the clinical nature of it's because you're like, oh they've done this they've done their 10,000 hours of Set up deaths They've done their 10,000 hours of set up deaths. They're like the Beatles after they got back from Germany. Spoilers for this movie from 2007, guys. Spoilers for this movie from 2007. It's a hit that happens in the movie Michael Clayton that is clinical and also feels very realistic. Extremely haunting.

I feel like in a Boeing era that we're living in. You're thinking about it all the time. You're like, wow. Also, Tony Gilroy, just an unbelievable talent, not only is Andor really fantastic television show, but he also wrote The Cutting Edge, like the ice skating movie. Yeah, he did.

And he did Michael Clay. I love The Cutting Edge. What can this man not do? I love The Cutting Edge. Cutting Edge, we've been talking about it. Me and Jason, we talked to Tony about it last season. I'm sure it will come up again. Oh, I love it.

Devil's Advocate, Armageddon. Wow. Just like he's doing all kinds of stuff. He's a great guy. And Andor is, yeah, it's like a masterpiece. I mean, one thing that can be said about Miles and I with the number of AKAs we've had so far is, oh, I have so many names. That was a devil's advocate reference.

Thank you. Oh, Dika. Holy shit. Wow. We are locked in. All right. We're going to get to know you both a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things we're talking about.

We're going to talk about Trump's approval rating. Being in the shitter? Yeah. Am I reading this correctly? Yeah. That's S-H-I-T-T-E-R. Yeah, shitter. Yeah, yeah, shitter.

Vladimir, stop. Stop it. Stop it, Vladimir. He's a steely negotiator. That tweet really, I am not happy with the Russian strike on Kiev. Not necessary in very bad timing. Vladimir, stop. 5,000 soldiers a week are dying. Let's get the peace deal. That really was giving Ellis and Die Hard another really old reference,

but where he's talking to Hans Gruber, he's like, Hans, babe, put away the guns. This is radio, not television. Come on. Like, just had no idea who he was dealing with up to this moment. Stop. Oh my God, stop. Why are you doing this? Sounds like a husband trying to communicate with his wife on Facebook.

It's like, please, babe, turn it down. Be like, dad, this is public, please. Yes. Yeah. We'll talk about the new Academy Award rules that seem onerous to me. They seem too harsh. As far as I'm concerned. Really hard.

What happened to just copying the Golden Globes? Yeah. You know? I don't know. Well, most guys watched it, right? We might talk about media literacy, we might talk about the Fyre Festival, all of that, plenty more.

But first, Rosie, Joel, we do like to get to know our guests a little bit better by asking them- We do. Something from their search history that is revealing about who they are. I'd like to ask you both for that and then I understand that you've decided to trade off the overrated underrated. Yes. Well, Rosie, can you go first on search history?

Yeah, I can. Because today I was looking up the very exciting laws around internet safety when you work for a large corporation. So I was searching exciting things such as, I'm like a 100 years old guys, I'm looking in my history, I'm like, where's the search guys? I don't remember the acronym.

But okay, I'll tell you, this is a good one. Currently in my search history, I do have my training, which I was trying to learn about different kinds of important health and safety. I also have a Reddit for what do people give out free at K-pop concerts? Because I was making a present for my friend who loves K-pop. And what's the other most interesting history thing?

Wait, what do you mean give out free at a K-pop concert? Oh, okay. Let me educate you because I too am, I'm like not a young hip person anymore, if I ever was. And basically at K-pop concerts, and I'm sorry to the Taylor Swift fans, it was their first, it is very common for the young girls and the young people who go to these shows, they make fan photo cards of the K-pop idols. They switch kind of all kinds of merchandise.

People will take plastic cups. People will take those light sticks. And when you go on Reddit and you look at freebies on concerts, because I am just a dad who looks up everything on Reddit, they're just these unbelievable hauls that these girls get when they go because there's, you there's 20,000 people there and they're all switching around, little bracelets with their bias on there or with the name of the band. So like the Taylor Swift bracelets. It's like that, but more extrapolated to multiple different kinds of merchandise.

A big part of K-pop popularity is these things called photo cards, where it's just like a little photo of the idol and they trade them kind of like trading cards. So yeah, I was looking up that kind of stuff to, to arrange a cute surprise for a friend. And I was really learning a lot as I always do when I go on Reddit and ask a question that a hundred 40 year old men have asked before me. My daughter's going to a K-pop show. Have you tried just going to Google and asking their AI?

Absolutely not. Oh, okay. Dude, I'm just as a person who spends a lot of time on the internet and who writes a lot of articles and does a lot of journalism, the moment that that came up, I was like, I have to pretend it doesn't exist. Because otherwise at one point I will look at it because I'm busy and I will get got and suddenly I will be writing something completely factually inaccurate. I'm like, I got to stay to the sources I know, the sites I know.

And mostly that has just led to me just going to the thing, like comic book movies. Because you can't, you got to ignore it. Google's been completely broken for completely like years now. And now they just have a thing that's like, what what if we just like took from the top five results that have been wrong for years? Yeah. I've been now. We're looking for this is my first old man yells at cloud moment

where my kids don't look at the AI. It's terrible. The answer is so frequently wrong and it's really terrifying If you're a person who really enjoys people reading because I feel like it's reducing My comprehension by even more and you're just like it's it's just Google is just it used to be so accurate You guys remember when Google was good? Over there, which you were looking for. So, for most.

I know when Alta Vista was good. Oh my, well, I mean, I remember using Ask Jeeves, guys. I used to have a butler, a personal internet butler. That was the beginning, though. That was like the best I've ever been. That was kind of the beginning of the AI creep, though, because with Ask Jeeves, I remember it was so totally set up to be like, rather than a search stream, like,

what's the weather? You're asking a person. Yeah, yeah, exactly. In a conversational way. But I mean, the more I look at like AI and I hear like, like, like men talk about it, it's like, dude, like you can actually do therapy on there. And so I'm like, I'm like, I'm now convinced AI was just created. So men didn't have to appear like they didn't know anything. No, I think that you I think it was that is one of the biggest problems with it is

it is exactly that because I didn't realize in my, you know, naivete as somebody who's just too old to have been sucked into it. Multiple friends that I have who work with people who are in their twenties are just constantly catching them using it. Like it has become the go-to so quickly to just put something through chat GTP or ask them a question. And then people come on the internet as they always have done and act like they are an expert source. But the funny thing is now they are getting it from like a... Before you might have gone to a fandom site, like fan-sourced media and archival spaces are really, really important

and have for a long time been like at the heart of a lot of genre fandoms. But you would go there and you would read someone else's thing, you would maybe do some research or maybe you just quote it from Wikipedia. But now you're literally just quoting something wrong, like nine times out of 10 that AI answer is going to be absolutely incorrect. I was looking up something about the technological safety. I'm really sure I'm making this corporation feel great. I obviously have all the lingo down, but don't worry.

I will never put a USB stick where it doesn't belong guys. I know that much. But even then- The big thing that you learn in those trainings is if you find a USB stick in the parking lot, don't load it up. Don't just take, pick it up and plug it directly

into your computer as I had been doing for years. And also outdated because whose computer even still has a USB plug. Exactly. No one, they've taken that away from us. I had to go and buy a dongle. Yeah, go buy a dongle for $30 from Best Buy. What this USB stick in the parking lot has on it.

But like even during that, while I was trying to understand a bit more about these different legislations that have come in since 2015 or whenever, every time I would be Googling to try and understand more about it, because I'm like, if I'm going to do the training, I may as well actually learn something. So I Googled it, and then they are legit giving me like the incorrect answer and information in the top, while the correct thing is in the, you know, the answer below. And that I think as well, Joelle, you must know this feeling.

Me and Joelle both came up like doing, you know, journalism, entertainment journalism and stuff. And if you wrote like a big deep dive interview or a law piece, five years ago, the best kind of feeling of achievement was if yours was the first answer on Google, you would be like, okay, I'm the most cited. I'm ever like, this is me. Now I'm like, that better not fucking ever quote me on the AI because it means I definitely got something wrong. Right. Yeah. I mean, it just generally gets AI is a perfect replacement for men in that they just created a machine that will give an answer that isn't correct very confidently.

It's like made by men for men and you don't have placement. And you don't have to struggle in public. Yeah, that's clear of men because you can quietly just, you know, should like, I can see that there are potentially non-malicious applications of it, but like, when I see the amount of people, like reflexively, like, just think that that's the answer. That's what, that's what spooks me out. Yeah. Joelle, is there something from your search history that's revealing who you are? Yeah, it's so funny you bring up K-pop because I was hanging up black pink tickets.

And I was like, I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm going to be like, I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm going to be like, I'm not spooks me out. Yeah. Uh, Joel, is there something from your search history that's revealing? Yeah, it's so funny. You bring up K-pop because I was hanging up black pink tickets. I like, I like Jenny. She's cool. Uh, everybody loves Lala Lisa. She's pretty sweet.

Rose got her little, uh, tip-a-ta-ta song that I'm doing. That's like, maybe I'll go see the girls. That song is everywhere. It's literally taken over my feed. And I was like, well, maybe I'll go. But tickets were more expensive than I paid for Beyonce. And I'm like, oh, shit, I can't. I don't I think I can't do that.

I can't. So I'm just going to wait. I mean, there's still a ton of tickets left, though. So I'm like, maybe we'll push her to the concert. We'll look around. I was going to say, what about this, Joelle? This is not an advertisement, as I am not sponsored, but I do enjoy the Game Time app, where you can buy a ticket, like, two hours before a show,

and it's like 20 bucks. That was what happened with Beyonce last time. There was all these people buying floor show tickets for like 60 bucks during the Renaissance tour, like, as long as you're a couple of hours away. So I think you got the right idea. Wait. I haven't explored the game time app yet, but let me download it because I'm also looking

at floor seats for the WNBA games when those start back up. You know, I've been wanting to go. I haven't. You, yes, because Rosie, it was you. You were telling me about how much fun the WNBA games were and I was like, I gotta go check these things out. Not even that. The WNBA, you can buy because the Sparks ended up as the lowest team, if not maybe

one of, I think it was the lowest ranked. But, and I went to the last game and it was unbelievable. The girl, I just wanted to cry. She was like, I'm so sorry, we'll do better. Like the captain of the team. And I was like, no, you are amazing. Like it's okay. None of us watching this are professional athletes, but that's like, it's okay.

Like you didn't do it. They were cheapest. They had, when I emailed to find out about the season tickets, they had season tickets that started at like 400 bucks for like not terrible seats. Because they ranked so low. We're about to be at the WPA all the time. I just feel like it's a big place for the queer girlies to like hang out, meet one another, see amazingly tall Amazon women dunk on each other.

Like I'm just really here for it. And I will add another selling point, which is when I went, two of the girls had a fist fight. It was Brittany Greiner and one of the girls from the Sparks. And they got in a fist fight and they literally had to stop the game. And they both got ejected, just straight up ejected. It was it was pretty sick. I'm not going to lie. A sports fight is a top tier.

I've never been to a sporting event where there's been a fist fight, but there's's one happening and I'm at like, I'm on my feet immediately. I'm like, let's go. Let's see. I just love, I don't know fighting IRL, but sports are not real life. That's it. Those are billionaires punching each other. Somebody's writing a script somewhere. It's like, just let them fight. I feel like there's a lot of there's a lot of blood lust right now in the sports fandom. There are a couple of NBA series that have a really good chance in round one of the NBA playoffs of going, spilling over into street fights and everyone's like, yeah, yeah, put it right in my veins.

It's like the same reason people watch hockey. They just want to see somebody beat someone else up, right? Yeah, that's right. The same reason people go to see any kind of large, slightly dangerous event is like, oh, what if it went wrong? Like there's a human curiosity there. Yeah. And you're right, 2025 is bringing out the bloodlust.

Oh yeah. What if the horses in the Kentucky Derby started fighting each other? Okay, that would be sick though. I would watch. I don't want to see the animals fight. No, no, just humans, please. Put up your hoops. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and find out what you guys think is overrated

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Or listen to it with your kid. Could be a family show. We're not quite sure. We're still figuring it out. It's a work in progress. Listen to Beardless Me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And we're back. And Rosie, we do like to ask our guests, what is something you think is underrated? Wow, I'm so sorry to everybody listening to this, because as Joelle knows, it is essentially my job to love underrated stuff on X-Ray Vision.

I am the only fan of the Marvel's Eternal movie, Eternal's movie, which I thought was wonderful, hard sci-fi. So, and I am, that has been my cross to bed. I am sitting in my Marvel Eternal's gaming chair that I bought as a troll on a discount at some point and it's now just cemented me as the number one Eternals fan. But that's not what I'm going to talk about, because it's actually finally slightly rated because of Letterboxd and Disney+. I'm going to tell you about the most underrated film franchise that you've never

heard of, and it is the Vivica A. Fox produced and starring in 27 movie long lifetime franchise called the wrong movie franchise, or as I call it, the wrong franchise. Every single movie is directed by David DeCoto, who is a gay, A.E. Schlock director who was most known for, but has moved into the TV, made for TV movies space. He is very well known for a really one of the worst movies ever made. It's generally recognized as called A Talking Cat, which has Eric Roberts voicing a talking cat.

And it is like a perennial midnight movie classic now. It's insane. But the wrong movies are very simple. They are women in peril, as we call Lifetime movies, nine act structure. And every single one is called the wrong cheerleader, the wrong real estate agent, the wrong coach, the wrong cheerleading coach assistant. They get more and more niche as they go. And they are really fun, schlocky B movies. And Vivica is amazing.

And she also owns her own wig company. So she's always got those nice wigs on in the movie, which Lifetime movies do not often have. But the best part of every movie is about five or six movies in. They realized that they were kind of onto a camp classic. So at the end of the movie, when like five people have been murdered by whoever the wrong person is, Vivica like turns around and she goes, I guess you hired the wrong real estate agent. And it is incredible. And they made 27 of them and they stopped making them

about two and a half years ago, but I'm like desperate for them to bring them back. Cause it is, I think it is, I think Lifetime movie, this is my pitch, my general underrated Lifetime pitch. It is the contemporary B-movie hub of the world, which that crown may be being taken by Chuby originals now, but it has been for a long time, like 80% of their movies in 2022 were directed and written by women. So it's also a space where the numbers of people they get to make the movies are like

so much more diverse than you would think. And it has movie kit, A-Fox basically like doing a campy bit at the end of every movie. So go and watch them guys, the wrong movie franchise. My dream is to make a podcast called the wrong podcast, where I just rewatch them all with Vivica and talk about them. What? Yeah. So it looks like they ended on 26 and 27.

The wrong life coach was 26. The wrong obsession, which I don't know, that could be anything. I feel like there's plenty more. That's too vague. Yeah, it's a little vague. I have a spec script that I wrote because I was so obsessed with them. That's just the wrong publisher. And she's like a Cathy-esque female cartoonist doing strip comics.

But her editor becomes obsessed with her and then tries to steal the comic. And I'm like, guys, you're going as niche as the wrong real estate agent. I think we can move it into publishing comic space. Like, that's the next step. They did the wrong cheerleader and the wrong cheer captain. So they're willing to... And the wrong cheerleader coach.

Exactly. There's multiple. Lifetime movies love cheerleaders for some reason. This is the $3,000 Jessica Fletcher question. Because Jessica Fletcher is a character, the star of Murder, she wrote, is a character who she's a mystery writer, but it doesn't really make sense that 90 percent of the, she wrote, is a character who it doesn't really, she's a mystery writer, but it doesn't really make sense that 90% of the people she's ever met get murdered or are involved in a murder. Her town has a Cabot Cove where she lives. It's just like,

you if you live there, you're going to get murdered. Yeah, it's like Detroit and Cabot Cove. What is the reason that Vivica Fox within the movies is involved in so many murders? They did learn from the Murder, She Wrote trope. And while they could have made Vivica the same character in every movie, that is not the case. It is not like a shared universe because most people who watch Lifetime movies just turn on, if Vivica Fox is in it, they're just going to turn it on. So sometimes she is a main character. I think the real, wrong real estate agent,

she is the one who gets the real estate agent who becomes obsessed with her. But often she might just be like the head teacher of the school. Or so it depends as she goes, and they're always different characters. It is not like Jessica, obviously the murderer Fletcher. And I watch that show religiously.

There's a 24-hour free Murder She Wrote channel on Roku TV. So that's one of my ultimate work things. But yeah, her and Jessica Fletcher and the guys from Midsommar Murders, if you ever see them, just leave. She's the angel of death. Jessica Fletcher is the angel of death. Wow. What a gig for Vivica A. Fox to just be a supporting character. Who's there to just turn around and be like,

looks like you picked the wrong high school sweetheart. Exactly. It's miraculous. You get to do the Horatio from CSI Miami every time and throw the fucking sunglasses on and off. Oh my God. I would love to do a freeze frame. Yeah. But I'm sure they don't have the budget for the Who for these movies. So it'll just be like, do a sound alike. Instead they got the Who?

The Hoomst? The Hoomst? That's what it is. Joelle, what is something you think is overrated? I feel bad because I'm sure this has been on your series before because it's basic AF, but I think leaving the house is overrated. Oh great. It's good to leave.

It's good to go outside and touch grass. You want to do that. But sometimes I feel like people are very, they're too excited about me. They're like, there's so much to do out here. I'm like, but I perfectly curated the internal space of my domicile to comfort me like a womb so I can rest and reset my physical and mental being. And I just feel like we don't appreciate the protective spaces that we've created for ourselves. Stay in the house sometimes. Sometimes talk to no one. I just really think

alone time by yourself decompressing is not valued like it should be. And we should course correct. I think it depends on how important it is to you. I can't socialize unless I'm alone for a significant period of time. You gotta recharge the social battery. Yeah, like I'm like an extroverted introvert, I guess. Like people be like, whoa, like when you're like, you like to talk and you make jokes. I'm like, bro, I have to then go into my fucking Dracula coffin

basically and be like, I'm going to six hour max. Unless we're like besties, it's a six hour max of like this energy and then we're done. Yep. That's why I love hanging out with Joel and like being besties because both of us, if we're just like, I don't have any energy anymore, man. Like I'm just out. We'll be like, cool. I'm also going home. Like this is great.

I love to cancel a plan or just, or we'll just stay in one of our houses and just lay on the sofa there. Like Rosie once hosted a haunted sleepover where she got us some great little popcorn bulbs, a plushie, which was so cute. And she made us little beds and we like, we were just cozy watching horror movies in Twilight Zone. And honestly, I was seeing something the other day that was like, uh, I can't date men because my girlfriends take me on better dates and this is exactly what I mean. It's so true.

Like my friend, uh, one of my besties, Annie, she texted me and it was a tweet that someone had done where it was like, um, why of my besties, Annie, she texted me and it was a tweet that someone had done where it was like, why can't you like just find a man and settle with a man? And it's like, because my friends text me like this and it's like, oh, the love of my life, the soul that I was meant to have, like how can I go one day without seeing your face or hearing a voice note? Like you light up my life and it's like, and you text a dude and it's just like K period Yeah, you're getting the Khaledrago like love like you are my moon and stars That's just how girls talk to each other. It's fantastic All right, I think you made your case I'm never leaving my house again. Yes

Let's get into the tissue box is out Let's get into some of the reasons that we might never want to leave our houses again. Great, Ali-Oop Joel. Look at that. Just pure reading. You're a producer. You could never question it. So one of the things, as we're watching everything go to complete hell around us, one of the things that my brain always brain always asks is like, is everybody else seeing

this? Like, this is, like, this is bad, right? Like, we all think this is bad. Turns out not everybody, but Donald Trump's approval, not, not in the greatest place. No, in fact, it's being like, I'm the most popular president of all time. Yeah. He has a current approval rating of 40% after a hundred days. That puts him at the lowest ever since the era of polling. Only second to Donald Trump in 2017. Keeping himself company down there.

Yeah, exactly. You know, you got to, you got to stay sharp, baby. You know what I mean? You got it. You always got to push yourself. You got to push yourself. That's the art of the there. Yeah, exactly. You know, you got to stay sharp, baby. You know what I mean? You always got to push yourself. You got to push yourself. That's the art of the deal. Yeah, exactly. That's the art of the deal, guys.

And I think, yeah, to your point, Jack, you're like, because usually the Republican base, when you poll them, they're like, no, I love everything, and this is great, and this is how it's supposed to be. It's, the things are trending downward in a consistent way. Now, granted, more Republicans obviously approve of what Trump is doing than not, but only by about like, there's a solid 33% of Republicans who are like, no, what is this? Why did he do that? Yeah.

I thought he was going to make the other countries pay for the tariffs. How did this ever have impacted me? I thought he was going to take away the bad immigrants. I was a good one because I got in. The places where he's really just truly fucking up in the eyes of the American public, obviously is around inflation and tariffs. That was about only 33 percent approval rating there.

I think most people who understand that we toil under capitalism with the promise of maybe retirement based on our stock market, gambled retirement funds that we get, they saw those take a hit and are like, what in the fuck happened here? Like that was just, I think, just so tangible for people in a way that you couldn't just culture war that away, that he's definitely hurting there. Then on the economy, just overall record low, record low approval rating on the economy. 38%.

These are all coming from a Fox News poll. Okay. Like this is as friendly as you're going to get in terms of like Trump polling. Then with Outlook, like so 71% of respondents said that they rated the economic conditions negatively. 55% said that they rated the economic conditions negatively. 55% said that conditions were worsening for their families. Right. That's, yeah, those aren't great.

The only place that polling is above 50% for Trump is on kidnap, I mean, immigration. Oh, fuck. Are you for real? Oh, fuck. But even those numbers are trending downwards. You can see it's way different than February to now, because now more people are seeing the methodology and they're like, what the fuck is this?

All I'm hearing is just horror stories and just disappearing people with no regard for due process or their status seems to not be the winning combination that he thought it was. Naturally, Trump responded to this poll on his favorite, about his favorite TV show with anger. He said, Rupert Murdoch has told me for years that he's going to get rid of his Fox News Trump-hating fake pollster, but he has never done so. His money-making picture? Yeah.

Stop it. Yeah. This pollster has gotten me and MAGA wrong for years. Oh, OK. Take away truth social. That's just like, I think he's funny and I like his like cat-y like slights, but also like he just doesn't need to be just put out a press release, bro. Like no more truth social, no more responses like this. He only speaks.

He's pushing me over the edge. Yeah, he only speaks in shit posts, unfortunately. So he's fluent in that. Talk to the people, get right in there. But I mean, when you put this against a backdrop of all the L's that Trump has taken in the court of public opinion and in the literal courts, already a judge knocked back the sanctuary city funding ban

that Trump was trying to enact said he has to bring another person back from El Salvador, like just in like the last hour. You know, then you have Musk been an utter failure. Yeah, total fuck up. The courts keep ruling against him. He's angered his own base with the tariffs. Measles is well and truly back and he couldn't even pretend he had the nerve to really even

start a trade war with China. And obviously the Russia thing, which we'll get to in a second. But yeah, I mean, we're seeing sort of the same Trump in terms of his personality and his level of commitment to fucking things up. Do you guys think we could get lucky, and he could just be like, I don't want to do this anymore and just quit?

Oh, I've been waiting for that. I know. His kids have been hinting at that since he ran. They're like, you don't wanna do this anymore and just quit. Oh, I've been waiting for that. I know. His kids have been like hinting at that since he ran. They're like, you don't even need to do this. Like, you're rich. Yeah. Okay? He did just pump and dump like the entire American economy.

So hopefully he's made enough money in that that he could kind of back off. I hope, cause like, I just feel like there's only gonna be so much money you can rinse from this, bro, before something happens. So I'm like, just speed it up. Like Joelle said, you can go live in Mar-a-Lago or whatever and just leave.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Golf till you're dead, buddy. Just leave me the fuck alone. Golf till you're dead. I mean, till your heart's content. Yeah, yeah. Till your heart stops beating.

I mean, till your heart's content. Till your heart can't take it anymore. Till your heart just can't take it because you love golfing. Because it's so happy. Yeah, yeah. So your heart stops beating. I mean, to your heart's content. So your heart can't take it anymore. To your heart just can't take it because you love golfing. Yeah, just so filled with love. I mean, I feel like you could almost feed him to death like a goldfish. Not that I'm advocating for anything. Are you advocating for the killing of goldfishes?

No, I would never. I'm saying that that could theoretically happen. Hypothetically. But someone cruel, but you know, I'm sure he has too many like dietitians around him just being like sorry, sir That is the 75th diet coke of the day Contractually, we have to thank you one cup of water for every five sodas. Come on I don't like the way it tastes. Glasses of water.

Like you have to, you just gotta cram that shit in there. Very dehydrated. It's desiccated. Yeah. It is. Cruelty to poor people and people in other countries has always been a lagging indicator. Like I feel like Americans just having lived through the George W. Bush administration, like that, that was a thing that we were like, how are

people still on this shit and then pretty swiftly, it takes like a good year. And then people start being like, this guy seems like a fucking idiot. And he's like also really cruel to everybody and killing everybody. Yeah. So, we'll see. America just loves to do that. Like the fact that Guantanamo Bay never got shut down, even after everything that happened is exactly what you're talking about.

It's like, there's some kind of lagging understanding of like other people's humanity. It's just this, it's the unfortunate privilege of being so insulated in America that it's, it's completely abstract to people and it's only until what happened to my 401k? Yes, exactly. People are like, Oh, so now that you got touched, you have now you're waking up because you didn't have the mental capacity to forecast any of this, probably because you didn't give a fuck,

but now you are forced to, and now you're like, well, who do I get angry at? Yeah, you're a fucking guy, bro. Like I just saw someone posted like a Facebook post where some Trump supporter is like, sir, I bought a handcrafted guitar from the UK and was asked to pay $1,600 of tariffs on this. I do not understand as a veteran why I should pay when I am purchasing

an item from a luthier in the UK from an ally. Sir, I will be protesting. I am with you. But this cannot stand. It's like, hey, dumb fuck. This is this was always the fucking deal. Like every this is the tariff thing is like kind of pushing me over the edge because many times you can say that people were not well informed.

They didn't have the right research. They didn't have the right information. There are many reasons people vote different ways. I'm not here to judge them as someone who has a green card and cannot vote. But the tariff thing is killing me because actually I saw every single day from podcasters to news anchors to random people just having conversations in coffee shops explaining to people that you will be paying the tariff.

Like in this time, I'm like, this is the one where there's no plausible deniability. People were coming to you and saying, hey, that's not how tariffs work. Don't listen to him. Even some Republicans, you know, like, and I'm just like, guys, this is the thing. Like you did it. You were so sure that everyone else was just lying to you and only Donald Trump was telling you the truth. Right.

Like, I'm sorry, like pay those tariffs. Cause you fucking should have listened. Yeah. This, I mean, the thing with all, especially what's happening now, I mean, it's different than 2017 in that, like they had a lot of time to warm up for what they were going to do the second they got in office and knew exactly what, what sort of, you know, uh, support systems they wanted to kick out immediately. But then they also brought into this administration, the mentality of the

previous one, where they believed that some issues, just American people weren't paying attention to and didn't care about. And they're like, it's going to be fine be fine like we'll be able to do all this shit they won't even fucking notice but this is a completely different version now and now they're having like the shock of being like they wait they normally didn't care about this kind of stuff like they just like the economy or whatever they just like the concept of it rather than how the methodology on how we improve it or not but yeah this, this is I do see, I do see an opportunity for classic Trump grift on his base,

like where he's going to fully walk back the tariffs and potentially stave off some kind of catastrophic recession. Yeah. And then claim victory. Yeah. And be like, and I saved everybody's money. You can thank me. That's why I need four more years It's like but you are the cause of it all to hmm, right?

the see how quick the memory fades it's gonna be interesting to see if because the like the New York Times and a lot of mainstream outlets have been like granting him wins where there are none like when he's like Trump gets Trump gets a concession from Mexico and agrees to pull back tariffs. It was like, no, they just said that they were going to give him a thing they had already said they were going to give him a month ago, but it allowed him to claim victory. I wonder if they'll do that again with China because China's not even pretending. China's just like, we're not even talking to this motherfucker. China sat down with Korea and Japan and they were China's just like we're not even talking to this

Yeah, yeah China said now with Korea and Japan and they were like To get the three of them together, I know they do not usually get along no and I understand because he can unite people in it But I think that miles you you struck on the true annoying But I think that Miles, you struck on the true annoying, most annoying thing as an observer about Trump's like art of the deal. And many people have noticed this, but I'm going to coin it in loser nerd terms. Joelle knows one of my most hated things is what I call walking dead storytelling. And it's when the TV show would take five episodes to solve something that could have been

solved in a conversation in the first episode where you start the story. And that is Trump's art of the deal. He's like, he fucks it up. He does something that really like honestly ruins people's lives, whether it's this horrific deportation or anything else, uh, like tariffs. And then he comes back and gets a slightly worse deal than what happened, you know, five hypothetical episodes ago, five months ago. And then he's like, look at me, I saved the day. It's like, no, sir, like you are the one who started us on this part of destruction.

And now we have a worse deal than we had before. But he gets to say that he did deals. So that's cool. He's he's president deals. So deals president. He's also I mean, the one thing that I think nobody can deny is this guy is tough when it comes to international stuff. I mean, the way he is having to beg Putin and say pretty please on Twitter is so tough. I feel like that could end up being like one of the ways that his whole stance of like, I'm the only one who can fix this. Only my conventional wisdom is right. Every other

thing anybody has said is wrong. His approach to Putin being like, yeah, yeah, we're on Putin's side. We'll give him whatever he wants. that is so obviously wrong for so many reasons. Like Putin is an autocrat and, you know, militarily is just looking to, you know, conquest he's like, you know, we've seen this before throughout history. And the thing that works is not going out of your way to appease that person. works is not going out of your way to appease that person. Appeasement was a strategy before World War II and it is not looked upon kindly. And just like, yeah, I don't know the last thing where as they're trying to do peace talks, Russia struck Kiev with like a, the biggest attack in like almost a year.

And he's like hey Vladimir stop Social apparently he's not taking his calls because he on true socials that Vladimir Comma all caps stop five thousand soldiers a week are dying. Let's get the peace deal done. Just I don't know. I imagine like talking to a Bond villain like that. Like, yeah, like he's literally about like, I don't know if you guys have seen his house in the mountains.

It's like a how do you describe this? It looks like a brutalist architect designed like a villain slayer. It's over seeing a giant forest. It's isolated on top of a mountain. It's all white. It's very crazy. I think it's kind of interesting to me. The Trump is like the popular girl at school.

You know, like he thinks he's on top and now like he's trying to figure out how to talk to this guy to get him to listen. It's insane to me because Putin's never listened to anybody in his entire existence. And the fact that he thinks he can maneuver. And like, because I think I've been reading a lot about narcissists lately. Yeah. And I, one of the things that people think are like, the narcissist are not trying to be cruel.

They believe their delusion. Right. And to think that Trump- You know who else has been reading a lot about narcissists are not trying to be cruel. They believe their delusion. Right. And to think that Trump... You know who else has been reading a lot about narcissists? Vladimir Putin. The entire Russian military and intelligence apparatus. Literally. Yeah. Yeah, just tell him he's right, dude. He'll fucking do anything. Yeah. And I think that's the wildest thing is that we have gotten into a situation where there is almost like too much transparency. Like we want the fake version of this where it seems like there is some kind of safety net around the idea of who the president is and things the president can and can't do, which I have learned since moving here in 2017, is essentially a trust-based system with like no laws.

And it just depends what the person wants to do, which sadly for Democrats is usually nothing and for Republicans is like become an authoritarian government. But it's like the mechanics and the machine are no longer there pretending like Trump is sent a strongly worded letter to Putin and he called him and told him don't do that. You know, instead it's just like he's on he's on his own weird Twitter dupe sounding like, you know, a catty baby brother. Yeah, like, stop pulling my hair.

And also like who believes that that's going to make Vladimir Putin stop like are his followers. I want to know what the support rating is like his polling numbers are specifically for like Do his followers actually think when he posts that that he seems like a cool big tough man Or does he just seem like the little baby brother like stop? Well, I think some people are like he's trying to be tough man. I read that as Vladimir stop Right, you know, and that's I, that's how I read that. So that's the ambiguity about text. You know, you can, you can put any kind of meaning on top of it, but yeah, there's

the, I like to your point, he does have this thing where he's constantly having a reckoning with reality versus what his own expectation is of how people are going to receive him and like, even with, in regards to like Zelensky and making a deal, he's like, okay okay asshole, let's make a deal You're gonna get fuck all you're gonna cede all of this territory to Russia and you can't join NATO And you'll give us all of your rare earth minerals. How does that sound and he's like, no And now suddenly like fuck There's some good messages in there for him,

like power doesn't panic. It's also like the main lesson from season one. There's some good lessons in there for season two for him. Should he care to investigate? Please don't tell. They will watch and they'll be like, you know what I learned from Andor? The imperial government seems great.

No problems there. Ultimate power, ultimate control, looking good. And those stormtrooper suits, beautiful. Really nicely designed. If it ups his fashion, it would be a win. If it made Republicans as a whole look better, at least we haven't said it. If they're killing us, at least make them look nice. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back. The Big Guess continue on Los Culturistas. This week, it's the very funny Amy Poehler. Don't overthink it.

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So the Academy of Motion Pictures, Arts and Sciences have updated their rules for next year's Oscars, including a bold new requirement. The voters need to watch the movies they're voting on. What? Imagine that! What do you mean, like all of them? Yeah, like that's the crazy thing. The Academy's app will track members viewing to ensure they've watched all the nominees. And if they saw it somewhere else, they have to like say where they saw it.

And I know, is the form going to be like, you got to get it notarized by someone at the site at the screening to be like, they really did watch this movie. They didn't walk out halfway. I saw it on like Friday at the AMC, I think. It's like that can be enough. Which one? Which one? 60s?

I don't know. All these tickets are digitized. If you're going to a festival, you got your digitized tickets. You go to the AMC, trust me, you're an AMC sub member if you're part of the Academy. Okay, you got it right there. So you can use your phone, you can pull it up at any time.

It's never been easier. And then you just sign in when you go to your Academy screenings. This is so long. It's egregious to allow people to vote without having seen all of the phones in contention. That's crazy. Well, here, Rosie, Rosie, Rosie, you all of the zones of contention. Absolutely wise. Rosie, Rosie, Rosie, you're from the UK.

I am. Do they have the voters for the BAFTAs do such an absurd thing? Impossible, Miles. This is so onerous. You may be shocked to know that BAFTA has actually been doing it. No, fuck. I know. Can you imagine?

I hear it, Rosie. Which I actually think there's something really interesting for somebody more data minded than me. I'm a vibes guy, you know, I know what comic book issue someone arrived in, but I'm not good at maths or data. But I think there probably is a very interesting data-based piece out there, or exploration of what the differences in the BAFTA and the Oscars have been

over that last few years where BAFTA was actually having to watch every movie. Cause sometimes there are some big sea changes at the BAFTAs when a movie will suddenly take like 10 awards, but then doesn't do anything at the Oscars. And I wonder how much that correlates with the fact that people just weren't watching the movies, which I think is very obvious with pretty much every year of the Oscars, is there will be something where you're just like, how did that get in? Why is that what won?

Why wasn't it this? They threw the best parties, babe. Exactly. They threw it. They said the best. Ellie Depp is so charismatic. I succumbed to all the billboards on Sunset. Dude, I think about those billboards all the time. It must be so weird as like an LA lifer, because when I drive past them, I'm always like,

oh yeah, this is just for the execs, right? This is for 60 people in the city. So that 60 people will say, ah, they're spending my money. This is where the money goes. It's on this giant billboard. And it's completely wild because you end up kind of they live style, seeing through what at first is like a very glamorous,

glittery experience of like, oh, for your consideration, for your consideration, wow, like they're really pushing this actor I love. But actually 90% of the people who are voting for the Oscars are probably like not even gonna notice that billboard. You know, they're just gonna say. Zazz, over here. Look over here.

The billboards just start directly addressing them. Yeah, Zazz love. David. Zazz love. Woo hoo. Don't fire the guy. Don't fire the people who greenlit Simmons. It's a miracle.

Don't do it. We're watching Fleabag. We're watching fleabag over here. Avert your eyes. Avert your eyes. The, yeah. For people who aren't from LA, there are just like a next level billboard campaigns, like really well designed, aggressive, like there, there will be like, you know, a billboard with like things popping off of it.

Oh my god, the 911 billboard that's by LAX, where it has the people, it has like mannequins coming out of a 3D roller coaster. That show started like eight years ago, guys. Like why? I'm happy it's still there, but like that's the level of dedication they have to letting it go. And then it'll be like continued on another billboard, like across the street. Right, yeah. I'm surprised more accidents don't happen over there. They're very like eye catching and huge and sometimes not subtle in the text department.

Just like, what am I looking at really? It's bright as hell if you've ever driven down sunset. Guys, have you ever played Grand Theft Auto 5? Yes. Yeah, obviously. And you have those like really horny billboards in the main part. That's it. It's exactly right. It's exactly that vibe.

Yeah. Well, I think the other thing is like Angelina is like we we've just we're just numb to them because they've been around all the time. It's like they don't catch our eyes. Blindness. Yeah. I don't know, bro. It's a fucking bunch of bullshit on the street. And I don't give a fuck. I'm trying to get to my job. Like, fuck all this.

I definitely like feel that especially about the area of sunset where there's like a, where the rainbow lounge is and where all of those spots are. Cause there is a, now basically a permanent, almost a block where Netflix will always do the most insane adverts. So whenever I'm over there for work, it's like the stranger things, like scary monster. And there's like smoke coming out of it. And when Millie Bobby Brown was in a movie called Damsel

that nobody watched, there's like a giant Millie Bobby Brown with a sword. And I'm like, guys, is this like a photo op? Like is this where you're spending our extra money every month? Like, I don't think you need it, my friends. How about you just watch, just make people watch the thing. You know as well, a lot of people in the academy, because it's the most prestigious, they are getting like crazy swag.

They are getting really beautiful for your consideration DVD box sets that have like every A24 or neon movie that was released that year. And then you just don't watch it. Like, come on, man. They're giving you physical media. Like, please just watch, watch the bloody TV series. Hold on to them, put them on a shelf. It's nice. Maybe one day streaming will be over and you'll be wishing that you had

the Ari Aster triple bill box set or whatever they sent people. But yeah, I mean, I think many people on the Internet were rightfully shocked about this, that this wasn't already like the only job you had. Are you, I mean, I know like the logic would say, well, this will only help voting become more efficient. The other part of me knows like, people with any shred of privilege will do anything that like, according to the way they

want to do it. So I can also see other people starting to fake like being like, oh yeah, I saw that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely. And honestly, I was saying this before we started, but honestly, do that then. The real reason they have to- At least take the effort.

At least take that. The big reason, in my opinion, just from what I've seen and the way this stuff is reported on, last year, a lot of the trade anonymous voting pools that they do, where the voters say a bunch of bitchy stuff and everyone reads it and is like, wow, why are you allowed to vote in this? And, um, but a lot of them last year, multiple ones were people saying they hadn't watched every movie.

I didn't watch this because I don't like it. I didn't watch this because it has, oh, I didn't watch, you know, Conclave because Ralph Fiennes already has an Oscar. I didn't watch, you know, the Brutalist because Adrian Brody already has an Oscar. He'd actually only just been nominated and then you saw what happened. So don't vote for him again. But like, yeah, it's, it's very funny that they, I think they were too honest. And I think that everyone online and in the thing was like, wait a minute, you're

telling me like the reason Inora won is just because you guys didn't watch the other movies. Like that seems insane. Did you even watch in order if you voted for it? Maybe not. So I think this is a good idea. I caught some of it. Yeah, I saw a bit. I saw a bit where she's like, dancing in the boys apartment. You know, I just skipped that and then just everything else. That trailer was fire. The trailer was fire. That trailer was exactly that. That's why I'm like, I'm like, just lie. Like if you don't want to do it, just lie. And that you could have avoided all of this because I have used multiple,

and Joelle, I know you've been through this too, multiple badly positioned IP streaming services where they want to take your data as a viewer or as a journalist, and they'll add an app to your Voku TV and then you stream through there. This reminds me of this one South by Southwest did a few years ago, and it was so janky. It was just always full of glitches. It was so hard to watch the movies. And I do not believe that the Academy is going to have a better working one. So I think we're going to see a lot of complaints about the app.

And I did watch it and it didn't say it would work and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Is that how they're doing it through an app? There is an app that basically works like how our Netflix preview content works. So they can see if you've watched the whole movie. I know for the Academy call Apple TV. No, that's the best one. It's fluid. There are never any issues. Whatever they're doing, you do that too. No, that's what like for the Hollywood Foreign Press, they were given Apple TV units that had like sort of this proprietary software on it to be like, all right, okay, you don't want to go to the street like especially during the pandemic and like the height of the lockdowns. They weren't they weren't like physical media had kind of ceased and like, okay, just do everything through

this Apple TV and they you go, watch it. It was so simple. It's really easy. I feel like the people in the Academy are going to find a way to make this a free speech issue. We shouldn't have to do this. We shouldn't have to watch the movie. Free speech. You're violating my free speech. If I won't consider a Democrat for president and I always vote Republican.

You absolutely do not have to be a member of the Academy. You can go on with your life and do something else. Exactly. Last year, I watched 500 movies that I logged on my letterbox. Like, I could do it. I'll watch them all. Let me in. Letterboxd community as Oscar voters for two years.

Let's just see what happens. Let's see what happens. It'll be great. Amazing. At least people are watching. That would be cool if they were using Letterboxd as the miners, where they're just trying to scope for talent. I love that idea.

Give them a check mark. I would also say as well, this speaks to another problem, which is the struggle between the idea of a popular cinema and what the Oscars celebrate. I think that this could lead to us having more blockbuster accessible movies being recognized.

Cause I think that for a lot of these Academy members, especially the older ones who weren't brought in in the last few years, they would probably actually more enjoy watching like an action blockbuster than they would watching a lot of these movies, especially if they haven't been watching them. So I'm interested to see if that, if this kind of weirdly like opens a door. And with him having casting and stunts, that makes a lot of sense, Rosie. I wonder if there, if we'll also see no more three hour long movies. They're like, oh, fuck that.

That's what I'm saying. I actually think suddenly 90 minute movies, two hour long movies, Sinners should be the front runner for everything this year, especially with cinematography, with stunt work. It could really be that movie. I'm looking forward to the package for stunt work. You know, like the thing in the broadcast where they show like how the best stunts were done. I feel like that could be really cool.

Did you watch the Oscars last year? Yes. Okay. So do you remember, basically the, they had a package like that, that had been part of the promotional kind of push for the fall guy or fall guy, I think it was cool, the Ryan Gosling, Emily Blunt movie. And basically the entire aim of them making that movie was to get a stunt Oscar recognition. So they kind of did a package and it was super, super cool. And everyone was just like, why are we not already giving the award?

Like so many movies. So I think that could be really sick, especially if they get like, you know, you know, Tom Cruise is going to be trying to get like that mission impossible shit on there. So who knows, maybe Tom Cruise is going to parachute. Could you make this one shaped like me? Yeah, he's going to like parachute into the Oscars or something. Like, I'm here for it. Like, let the stunts roll.

Yeah. And for a casting, I think they should have to say who was also being considered. Who the studio was trying to get them to cast in the role when they cast, when they actually nailed the casting. Yeah. Or just have the worst possible person in the role, like do a scene, be like, you see how bad this shit could have been?

Yep. Anyways, Rosie, Joel, such a pleasure having you both on the Daily Zeitgeist. Rosie, where can people find you, follow you, hear you, all that good stuff? We, me and Joel do make a very fun podcast with my co-host Jason Concepcion and our incredible other super producers

Abu Aaron and Carmen and we are on I heart radio four times a week So if you didn't think you got enough of me yapping great news, you can hear a lot more yapping Really fun. It's every Tuesday Wednesday Thursday and Saturday where we do a news episode so you can listen to that I am at rosymarks, M-A-R-X on Letterboxd and Instagram and all those other things, but I don't really use the other ones. But yeah, it was so great to be on here. Thank you so much for having us guys. And is there work of media that you've been enjoying? It can be social media or a show or whatever.

Well, I am a perennial Murder She wrote re-watcher, as we mentioned, but I have been really enjoying the JD Vance killed the Pope memes. That's been getting me through. Definitely, I had a really, one of the one where it's like the Hieronymus post, like painting of the devil, like shaking hands with, you know, a religious figure. And then you have the same image from the White House pool of JD. I love the, just killed the Pope.

That's what JD stands for. Big fan of all of that. So yeah, those memes have been keeping me going. I'm a meme lover. Just killed a duck. Just killed a the Pope. That's his new name. Just killed a duck pope. Amazing. Joel, where can people find you? Is there a working media you've been enjoying?

Yeah. I've been Joel Monique. You can find me all over the internet at Joel Monique. That's J-O-E-L-O-E-M-O-N-I-Q-U-E. I have two. One, Larry David wrote a New York Times satirical piece called My Dinner with Hitler, sort of taking on Bill Maher, having dinner with Trump. It is hysterical and delightful.

Shout out Larry David for being a real one. He is a real one. And it is so great. And then just want to highly encourage everyone to check out Andor. It is a, what did Jason call it? Like how to, how to, how to build a resistance. Thank you. Like how to build a resistance, like how to build a rebellion. Yeah.

Yeah. It's genuinely touching in ways I could not have fathomed and it is significantly better than the first season, which I thought was great. This is truly to me, this is the best season of television since Watchmen. I don't take that lightly. It's seriously. It is pretty unbelievable. It's definitely one of those shows too where

just timing-wise means that they couldn't have been trying to predict stuff, but it feels extremely prescient when you do watch it. It absolutely feels like a letter to you about getting your shit together right now. It's like there's no time. There's no time to get your shit together right now. It's brilliant and beautiful. And it's truly start if you fear Star Wars die hard like I am. This really gets to the heart of like what makes Star Wars great. And yet it's elevated to like a BBC masterclass level of television.

It's brilliant. I really enjoy it. So I'm trying to get everyone to watch it. My insider pro advice is wait till Friday when you can watch all episodes back to back. There's three episodes. You can watch them separately. It is still structured like television, but it's so much better when you're watching these like a full movie. So those are my tips. Go check out Andor.

Damn. That's a high raise coming from Joel Moni. Miles, where can people find you? Is there work in media you've been enjoying? Yeah, everywhere they got at symbols at miles of gray. The basketball pod is miles and jack out mad boosties. The 90 day fiance pod is called 420 day fiance. Check me out there.

A couple of posts I like from blue sky at lauren dot rotating sandwiches dot com posted work is giving us a Chick-fil-a breakfast buffet and a Ben and Jerry's ice cream social today and what I'm calling the most successful political both sides thing of all time. And then at Kendra writes.com on blue sky posted this video from tick tock of police harassing a guy in massive, clearly in Massachusetts, based on the person who is filming this. The caption on the video says, I started a reverse neighborhood watch program. Basically, he's observing the police and this interaction is just,

it just made all the better because of this guy's very distinct Massachusetts Boston accent. It doesn't look like anything. You're allowed to drive. Oh, sorry. So in this video, I should describe it. This is an audio. This is an audio medium. This guy's across the street filming like three cops hemming up some guy like outside of a car and just stopping him.

We don't know the reason why. But again, this is where the man starts yelling at the cops to leave him alone. It doesn't look like anything. You're allowed to drive wherever you want. It's America. It's America. It's America. They're just racist.

It's okay. They're just racist. You're not allowed to drive around Winthrop if you're a minority. Good man, how you doing? You guys still protecting pedophiles like Philly? There you go. Have a great day.

Fuck you. What a king. That's community care, baby. That's what we're going to be trying to do. And he said he was referencing, like in the video, a pop-up comes up about a lieutenant from their police department that was charged with like child sex abuse. And then the guy says, why don't you go back to your house? That's it goes, yeah, fuck you. Why don't you go back?

Yeah, fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you, pa. $1.25, pa. Well, told this Willie reference. Yeah, oh yeah. To ensure that Adam, it's all washed. Tweet, I liked limpbritskit at brittymiggs tweeted, honey, mommy needs you to lock in.

Lock in for mommy, please. Lock in. Lock in. Lock in for mommy. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find me on bluesky at Jack Obi, the number one. You can find. Sorry, that came out of one. You can find. Yeah.

Sorry, that came out of nowhere. It was exciting. Yeah, it was fun. Are we wrapping up or are we just starting the potty phase? That was the cold open. This is, I'm saying this is like the off the potty. Right. The nightly Zeitgeist.

You can find us on Twitter and blue sky at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. You can go to the description of this episode, wherever you're listening to it. And there you will find the footnotes. Which is where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode. We also link off to a song that we think you might enjoy.

Hey, Miles, is there a song that you think people might enjoy? Yeah, that song that Errant Lee played is a banger. It's by the producer, Sango. That's called Ol' Carnaval, but that's not the song we're think people might enjoy? Yeah, that song that Errant Lee played is a banger. It's by the producer Sango. That's called Ol' Carnaval, but that's not the song we're going to write out. But if you're interested, he put out a whole album of Latin trap beats. There's a Mexican one, a Puerto Rican one,

a Brazilian one, a Dominican one. It's a fantastic EP and you can support him by getting that on Bandcamp. How's that song go? It was just a fun play. It was just a really fun play on the artist's name. There's nothing more humiliating than to get got like that when I really miss, like sincerely misunderstood what you said and only for it to be a papa joke. But the track I do want to go out on, just an old, just a classic Dochi track, Persuasive.

I love it. It's, if you're not, look, people need to get, people need to get familiar with Dochi. We've gone out a couple of tracks by Dochi, but this is from 2022. This is a banger called Persuasive. You can get Latin, like partway through it. It's look, this is, it's Friday. Okay. Get Persuasive.

This is with Dochi. D-O-E-C I do. E chii. Go ahead. Enjoy your weekend. We will link off to that in the footnote for daily zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio for more podcasts my heart radio visit the iHeartRadio app Apple podcast or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's going to do it for us this week. We're back over the weekend with the weekly Zeitgeist, which is a highlight reel of some of the best moments from this week's episodes, if you missed any. And we'll be back on Monday to tell you what was trending over the weekend and Monday morning. And we will talk to y'all then. Bye! Bye! Bye! So well!

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